Excerpts from the telepathic channeling session with Lucyna Lobos from April 24th, 2005

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EARTH'S REAL HISTORY

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Earth's Real History

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"...Timaeus and Critias, written by Plato some time around 360 BC are the only existing ancient written records which specifically refer to Atlantis. The dialogues are conversations between Socrates, Hermocrates, Timaeus, and Critias. Apparently in response to a prior talk by Socrates about ideal societies, Timaeus and Critias agree to entertain Socrates with a tale that is “not a fiction but a true story...”

This is not certain. Exist others references before and after Plato. Look the Georgeos Diaz-Montexano's investigations.

PT 4:
But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.

I have told you briefly, Socrates, what the aged Critias heard from Solon and related to us. And when you were speaking yesterday about your city and citizens, the tale which I have just been repeating to you came into my mind, and I remarked with astonishment how, by some mysterious coincidence, you agreed in almost every particular with the narrative of Solon; but I did not like to speak at the moment. For a long time had elapsed, and I had forgotten too much; I thought that I must first of all run over the narrative in my own mind, and then I would speak.

Here we find another interesting clue. Critias has just told us that Socrates was discussing the very things that are included in this story — that everything Socrates had been saying the previous day “agreed in almost every particular with the narrative of Solon.” Apparently, this story had been handed down via another line of transmission.

And so I readily assented to your request yesterday, considering that in all such cases the chief difficulty is to find a tale suitable to our purpose, and that with such a tale we should be fairly well provided. And therefore, as Hermocrates has told you, on my way home yesterday I at once communicated the tale to my companions as I remembered it; and after I left them, during the night by thinking I recovered nearly the whole it. Truly, as is often said, the lessons of our childhood make wonderful impression on our memories; for I am not sure that I could remember all the discourse of yesterday, but I should be much surprised if I forgot any of these things which I have heard very long ago. I listened at the time with childlike interest to the old man’s narrative; he was very ready to teach me, and I asked him again and again to repeat his words, so that like an indelible picture they were branded into my mind.

As soon as the day broke, I rehearsed them as he spoke them to my companions, that they, as well as myself, might have something to say. And now, Socrates, to make an end my preface, I am ready to tell you the whole tale. I will give you not only the general heads, but the particulars, as they were told to me.

The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians. Let us divide the subject among us, and all endeavour according to our ability gracefully to execute the task which you have imposed upon us. Consider then, Socrates, if this narrative is suited to the purpose, or whether we should seek for some other instead. [Plato, Timaeus, translated by B. Jowett]

And we come to the final understanding that conveys to us the secret of the story of Atlantis: that it did not actually come from an Egyptian priest as we would now think of an Egyptian priest, but that this was a story that was created to “execute the task which you [Socrates] have imposed upon us,” which was to provide the clues that the "Egyptian priest" was in no way related to the land we now know as Egypt.

As for Wilkens location of Troy in England, the reader might want to recall the passages from Diodorus Siculus quoted in a previous chapter of this pesent series. There is something more from Diodorus regarding the Hyperboreans:

And there is also on the island both a magnificent sacred precinct of Apollo and a notable temple, which is adorned with many votive offerings and is spherical in shape. Furthermore, a city is there which is sacred to this god, and the majority of its inhabitants are players on the cithara; and these continually play on this instrument in the temple and sing hymns of praise to the god, glorifying his deeds…

They say also that the moon, as viewed from this island, appears to be but a little distance from the earth and to have upon it prominences, like those of the earth, which are visible to the eye. The account is also given that the god visits the island every nineteen years, the period in which the return of the stars to the same place in the heavens is accomplished, and for this reason the Greeks call the nineteen-year period the “year of Meton”. At the time of this appearance of the god he both plays on the cithara and dances continuously the night through from the vernal equinox until the rising of the Pleiades, expressing in this manner his delight in his successes.

And the kings of this city and the supervisors of the sacred precinct are called Boreades, since they are descendants of Boreas, and the succession to these positions is always kept in their family. [ Diodorus of Sicily, English translation by C. H. Oldfather, Loeb Classical Library, Volumes II and III. London, William Heinemann, and Cambridge, Mass., USA, Harvard University Press, 1935 and 1939.]

What did it mean that every nineteen years a god “dances” from the vernal equinox until the rising of the Pleiades? This suggests to us a very specific date is being recorded in this myth. The heliacal rising of the Pleiades does not happen every 19 years. So, aside from telling us about a regular event that occurred every nineteen years, the myth has recorded something else very significant, the date of which is internal to the myth. When did the Pleiades rise just before the sun on the vernal equinox?

There are many who assume that a “heliacal rising” means that a star or constellation is in conjunction with the sun. But this is probably not correct. The ancients were practicing observational astronomy. Otto Neugebauer, in his many studies regarding what the ancients did or did not know about science and mathematics, noted the following:

When we watch the stars rise over the eastern horizon, we see them appear night after night at the same spot on the horizon. But when we extend our observation into the period of twilight, fewer and fewer stars will be recognizable when they cross the horizon, and near sunrise all stars will have faded out altogether. Let us suppose that a certain star S was seen just rising at the beginning of dawn but vanished from sight within a very short time because of the rapid approach of daylight. We call this phenomenon the “heliacal rising” of S, using a term of Greek astronomy. Let us assume that we use this phenomenon as the indication of the end of “night” and consider S as the star of the “last hour of night.” […]

We may continue in the same way for several days, but during this time a definite change takes place. […]

Obviously, after some lapse of time, it no longer makes sense to take S as the indicator of the last hour of night. But there are new stars that can take the place of S. Thus year after year S may serve for some days as the star of the last hour, to be replaced in regular order by other stars. [Neugebauer, Otto, The Exact Sciences in Antiquity, (New York: Dover 1969)]

In order to observe a heliacal rising of a star or group of stars, they must rise long enough before the sun to be “observed,” because as soon as the sun rises, the stars can no longer be seen. The heliacal rising of the Pleiades would have to occur at least 36 minutes before the sun comes up, in order to be seen. So, the real question seems to be: when did the Pleiades rise around half an hour before the sun, at the time of the equinox? When were the Pleiades the stars of the “last hour of the night”, and what might have been the significance of this event?

Certain “standard” texts, written by individuals who have not taken into account the observational nature of a heliacal rising, have given 2300 BC as the date, because this was when the Pleiades were conjunct the Sun on the Vernal equinox. However, after careful calculations of our own, as well as assistance by expert astronomers, the date of the actual heliacal rising of the Pleiades, in the terms that Neugebauer has given us, occurred on April 16, 3100 BC.

April 16, 3100 BC where the God danced all night on the equinox until the rising of the Pleiades:

[A] "Dark Age", meaning a period from which little is known despite much information before and after that period, occurred about 3100 BC to 3000 BC. For example in Mesopotamia this period is called Jemdet Nasr.

About 3100 BC there was suddenly a change to more primitive ages compared to the preceding Uruk period. For example the numerical token system dwindled.

In 3000 BC however there was a sudden recovery. This is called the Early Dynasty, which can be described as the first known culture, that began to have some kind of a centralized system. And the tokens were not only numerated again, the basis for writing was born.

What happened 3100 BC, maybe right in 3114 BC? That's the year 0 in Mayan calendar.

There are many stories around the world of great floods. There are two small craters from about this time, but what seems more probable, is a huge meteorite swarm that both caused much damage on land, brought up tsunamis and blanketed with dust the atmosphere. It may have been a break-up of a great comet in the inner parts of the solar system. People were panic-stricken.

The beginnings of civilizations, however, got despite of the immediate damage, a first great rise, after about a hundred years had gone. There was a great boomtime that eventually led to the rise of the first great civilizations in the beginning of the third millennium BC. The prime example is the unification of southern and northern Egypt.

The great mystery is how did the fusion happen? There is not any clear indication of one part conquering the other. It seems like the northern culture won over the southern, but that the new kings came from the south. The artifacts hint that the first King of the unified Egypt was called Menes and that the unification took place between 3150 and 3110 BC.

3100 BC has been traditionally held as the watermark between the Predynastic and Early Dynastic Period in Egypt. It took still 400 years before it was transformed in the so called Old Kingdom in about 2700 BC. These timestamps have oddly enough a great resemblance to the Mayan year 0.

The Mesopotamians had the great variations in their pre-writings that finally led to the first marks that really can be called as writing. Also the wheel was introduced. The great city-states Ur and Uruk were built, and around 2600 BC they had began to be part of a larger political union.

Gilgamesh, the great flood-king, lived during this period. Pre-Minoan culture was rising in Crete. Neolithic settlements, Stonehenge, Newgrange, Skara Brae in the Scottish Orkney island were built. The coastal menhirs (great stones) began to be built in Brittany.

( For info on dating Stonehenge, see my article Pincknett and Prince and the Cassiopaeans.)

Dick Meehan adds to this list flood marks in paleoclimatic data, methane peak in Greenland ice and a cold time according to bristlecone pines in Britain. Although any one of these in itself would not be of any great concern, the timing of them in a frame of only 100 years, is the thing that makes us suspect that something unusual was going on. And actually, the next 1000 years or so were a very restless time globally.

The aftermath of this may have been a 2807 BC ocean impact described by Bruce Masse in Peiser et al.: Natural Catastrophes (Oxford, 1998). If this is the great Flood Comet, as Masse seems to indicate, this explains why the Sumerian story of Flood, on which basis the Genesis Noachian Flood story is built, is combined with the story of Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh reigned in the 27th century, 300-450 years before the two great cataclysms in late third millennium BC. Or were the comet or comets swarming and breaking up during the whole period of 3114 BC to 2807 BC with diminishing frequency and damage ending temporarily in a great splash in the Atlantic? [Timo Niroma, Helsinki, Finland]

From Rogue Asteroids and Doomsday Comets by Duncan Steel:

The outrageous suggestion that I am going to make is that the Taurid Complex was producing phenomenal meteor storms between 4,500 and 5,000 years ago, accompanied by multiple Tunguska-class atmospheric detonations, and that Stonehenge I was designed to allow the (awestruck, terrified) culture of southern England to make observations of the Phenomena and to perhaps predict their recurrence.

Peter Lancaster Brown, in his book on megalithic sites, wrote that "Eclipses, comets and meteorites were astronomical phenomena widely observed by the ancients. But probably only eclipses were predictable." (Steel means to imply that Stonehenge I was needed to make observations because meteorite falls are far more unpredictable, but and at the same time may be long-lasting and recurring. - TN.)

Let me suggest that survivors and descendants of the global cataclysm that occurred at the time of the war between Atlantis and "Athens" were reduced to little more than a Stone Age existence for a very long time except, perhaps, for small enclaves here and there which later gave rise to "civilizing" impulses at various locations around the planet. And just as some of the "good guys" survived, so were there survivors of the Evil Empire of Atlantis. Again I note the polarities between the "circle people" and the "pyramid people".

Later, there was again a battle, a great betrayal at the Cloisters of Ambrius followed by another global disruption, fixing the event in the minds of the people as being "like the destruction of Atlantis" so that the stories were joined together.

Such events would embrace the myths of the Daughters of Danaeus and the Sons of Aegyptus, as well as the story of Orpheus - the "massacre at the Cloisters of Ambrius" - a war between ancient peoples inhabiting Britain and those inhabiting continental Europe where the place names so strongly reflect the descriptions given by Homer as described by Wilkens. Refugees fled to the higher lands, to Eastern Europe, to Eurasia, to Egypt and beyond. Of course, just who is "on first" and who came from where is extremely difficult to determine without long and careful analysis.

It is in the most recent of these events - at the time of the fall of the Bronze Age civilization around 1600 BC - where the final pieces of the drama took place. This last episode is where we will finally find Helen.

In fact, when you think about it, the stories in the Bible are remarkably similar to the Greek myths with most of the fantastic elements removed, names changed, and genealogies inserted to give the impression of a long history. One could say that the "history" of the Old Testament is merely "historicized myth." And of course, the myths that it was historicized from may have belonged to an entirely different people.

Again we remember that the winners (or the survivors) write the history, and we have a very strange story to tell... about Helen and the Exodus Conspiracy: the face that launched a Thousand Wars.

But we have much ground to cover before we face Helen.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/Laura-Knigh...-lkj-04-03-06-i.htm

PT 3:
In the first place, there is the caste of priests, which is separated from all the others; next, there are the artificers, who ply their several crafts by themselves and do not intermix; and also there is the class of shepherds and of hunters, as well as that of husbandmen; and you will observe, too, that the warriors in Egypt are distinct from all the other classes, and are commanded by the law to devote themselves solely to military pursuits; moreover, the weapons which they carry are shields and spears, a style of equipment which the goddess taught of Asiatics first to us, as in your part of the world first to you.

The remark that the right function of society was “first taught to the Asiatics” is most interesting. The reference to “Asiatics” in this context from an historical “Egyptian Priest” is extremely questionable because, in the many Egyptian inscriptions unearthed by archaeology, the Asiatics are always referred to as “Vile.” It is true that in historical times the Egyptians borrowed their military equipment and war strategies from the Asiatics, but that was a much later development than the above story would suggest. The issue of who the “vile Asiatics” were is an ongoing debate, but it seems to devolve on such as the Hittites, Hyksos, and other Indo-European tribes that came down from the Steppes in various waves.

Then as to wisdom, do you observe how our law from the very first made a study of the whole order of things, extending even to prophecy and medicine which gives health, out of these divine elements deriving what was needful for human life, and adding every sort of knowledge which was akin to them. All this order and arrangement the goddess first imparted to you when establishing your city; and she chose the spot of earth in which you were born, because she saw that the happy temperament of the seasons in that land would produce the wisest of men. Wherefore the goddess, who was a lover both of war and of wisdom, selected and first of all settled that spot which was the most likely to produce men likest herself. And there you dwelt, having such laws as these and still better ones, and excelled all mankind in all virtue, as became the children and disciples of the gods.

Again and again, this very strange “Egyptian” priest is saying things that completely contradict the more "historical" Egyptian view that they are the most “ancient and noble race.” In the above remarks, he has said that the goddess imparted to the Greeks first all of the laws of health and those things needed to preserve and prolong life. The Greeks are pronounced to have been the “wisest of men,” and those “most like the goddess” herself. And again “excelled all mankind in all virtue,” which is not very likely to have been said by an Egyptian priest from the Egypt we know.

Here comes the story of the war, so pay close attention:

Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end.

This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent.

Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire, which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia.

This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars.

Of all the things the “Egyptian priest” has said, the above is the most astonishing and the most telling. Again he is giving pre-eminence to the Greeks, that they performed the most heroic deed of all times, which was to defeat the Atlantean Empire!

This is the point that is so often just simply overlooked by all the Egypt and Atlantis lovers! Atlantis was the original “evil empire of the Borg!” And what is more, in this passage, the clue is given that the ancient Egyptian civilization — the pyramids and other monumental architecture upon which so much of the current Egyptian craze is based, stemming from the work of Schwaller de Lubicz, and which is declared to be the offspring of Atlantis - the ancient Egypt that is so admired by the current day flock of Egyptophiles - was very likely an attempt to re-construct the EVIL EMPIRE OF ATLANTIS! In other words, the “priestly science” of the Egyptians, referred to by Fulcanelli, not only antedated the material so diligently studied and propagated by Schwaller and others for “clues” to alchemical secrets and esoterica, it was very likely an Egypt that is no longer even known as Egypt!

CONTD:
The Hellenes however thought that they were being mocked by them and besieged the city, until at last they took it; and when they had taken the wall and did not find Helen, but heard the same tale as before, then they believed the former tale and sent Menelaos himself to Proteus.

And Menelaos having come to Egypt and having sailed up to Memphis, told the truth of these matters, and not only found great entertainment, but also received Helen unhurt, and all his own wealth besides.

Then however, after he had been thus dealt with, Menelaos showed himself ungrateful to the Egyptians; for when he set forth to sail away, contrary winds detained him, and as this condition of things lasted long, he devised an impious deed; for he took two children of natives and made sacrifice of them. After this, when it was known that he had done so, he became abhorred, and being pursued he escaped and got away in his ships to Libya; but whither he went besides after this, the Egyptians were not able to tell. Of these things they said that they found out part by inquiries, and the rest, namely that which happened in their own land, they related from sure and certain knowledge.

Thus the priests of the Egyptians told me; and I myself also agree with the story which was told of Helen, adding this consideration, namely that if Helen had been in Ilion she would have been given up to the Hellenes, whether Alexander consented or no; for Priam assuredly was not so mad, nor yet the others of his house, that they were desirous to run risk of ruin for themselves and their children and their city, in order that Alexander might have Helen as his wife: and even supposing that during the first part of the time they had been so inclined, yet when many others of the Trojans besides were losing their lives as often as they fought with the Hellenes, and of the sons of Priam himself always two or three or even more were slain when a battle took place (if one may trust at all to the Epic poets),-- when, I say, things were coming thus to pass, I consider that even if Priam himself had had Helen as his wife, he would have given her back to the Achaians, if at least by so doing he might be freed from the evils which oppressed him. [...]

In truth however they lacked the power to give Helen back; and the Hellenes did not believe them, though they spoke the truth... [Herodotus, The Histories, selected excerpts]

We will come back to this story later because even though it seems confused and improbable, it holds the key to our problem. One thing that ought to be clear is that I don't think that it was a woman they were fighting over; no indeed, it was the "treasure." What was that treasure? Well, let me suggest that the main thing we notice about this story is that it sounds a bit like George Bush demanding Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction. Just such a situation as we see developing in our own time between the United States and the rest of the world may have developed between Atlantis and Europe and Asia around 12,000 years ago, and then again later, between the Trojans and Achaeans in Europe. This might give us a clue as to what sort of "treasure" the Trojan War was really being fought over.

Tracking this problem has led me down many interesting pathways and the most useful clues have come from the alchemist Fulcanelli. One his oft-reiterated themes is that the “ancient Greeks” — not the Egyptians — were the source of the Hermetic science and all esoteric knowledge. However, in a particular passage, he seems to contradict himself in the following remarks:

Atlantis. Did this mysterious island, of which Plato left the enigmatic description, ever exist? A question difficult to solve, give the weakness of the means which science possesses to penetrate the secret of the abysses. Nevertheless, some observations seem to support the partisans of the existence of Atlantis. […]

Faith in the truthfulness of Plato's works results in believing the reality of the periodical upheavals of which the Mosaic Flood , we said it, remains the written symbol and the sacred prototype. To those who negate what the priests of Egypt entrusted to Solon, we would only ask to explain to us what Aristotle's master wanted to reveal by this fiction of a sinister nature. For we indeed believe that beyond doubt, Plato became the propagator of very ancient truths, and that consequently his books contain a set, a body of hidden knowledge. His Geometric Number, and Cave have their signification; why should the myth of Atlantis not have its own?

Atlantis must have undergone the same fate as the others, and the catastrophe, which submerged it, falls obviously into the same cause as that which buried, forty-eight centuries later, under a profound sheet of water, Egypt, the Sahara, and the countries of Northern Africa. But more favored than the land of the Atlantean, Egypt gained from a raising of the bottom of the ocean and came back to the light of day, after a certain time of immersion. For Algeria and Tunisia with their dry "chotts" covered with a thick layer of salt, the Sahara and Egypt with their soils constituted for a large part of sea sand show that the waters invaded and covered vast expanses of the African continent. The columns of the Pharaohs' temples bear on them undeniable traces of immersion; in the hypostyle chambers, the slabs, still extant, which form the ceilings have been raised and moved by the oscillating motion of the waves; the disappearance of the outer coating of the pyramids and in general that of the stone joins (the Colosses of Memnon who used to sing) the evident traces of corrosion by water that can be noticed on the sphinx of Giza, as well as on many other works of Egyptian statuary have no other origin. [Fulcanelli, Dwellings of the Philosophers, pp. 511-512.]

Notice that he said: "To those who negate what the priests of Egypt entrusted to Solon, we would only ask to explain to us what Aristotle's master wanted to reveal by this fiction of a sinister nature." Fulcanelli then goes on a long series of remarks that actually DO negate what the priests of Egypt told Solon, namely, that Egypt had never been inundated. Now, why did Fulcanelli first say to "have faith in the truthfulness of Plato's words," and then turn around and negate them?

Another item of curiosity here is his remark about the "Mosaic Flood." Everybody knows that Noah was associated with the Flood and Moses was associated with the Exodus. Certainly, there was a sort of "flood" in the story of Moses where the Red Sea drowned the Pharaoh, but that story doesn't seem to have much to do with a real Flood; or does it?

Timaeus and Critias, written by Plato some time around 360 BC are the only existing ancient written records which specifically refer to Atlantis. The dialogues are conversations between Socrates, Hermocrates, Timaeus, and Critias. Apparently in response to a prior talk by Socrates about ideal societies, Timaeus and Critias agree to entertain Socrates with a tale that is “not a fiction but a true story.”

The story is about the conflict between the ancient Athenians and the Atlanteans 9000 years before Plato’s time. Knowledge of the ancient times was apparently forgotten by the Athenians of Plato’s day, and the form the story of Atlantis took in Plato’s account was that Egyptian priests conveyed it to Solon. Solon passed the tale to Dropides, the great-grandfather of Critias. Critias learned of it from his grandfather also named Critias, son of Dropides.

Let’s take a careful look at the main section of the story, omitting the introduction that describes Solon going to Egypt and chatting up the priests.

Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said: O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, he replied, that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science, which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why.

There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Phaeton, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father’s chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals; at such times those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the seashore. And from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing saviour, delivers and preserves us.

When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, the survivors in your country are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains, but those who, like you, live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea. Whereas in this land, neither then nor at any other time, does the water come down from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below; for which reason the traditions preserved here are the most ancient.

The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer does not prevent, mankind exist, sometimes in greater, sometimes in lesser numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed - if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples.

We want to here make note of the fact that present day evidence suggests that Egypt has been inundated and that it also experienced a rainy climate as evidenced by the water erosion on the sphinx. Fulcanelli even commented upon the inundation of Egypt. And so we see that Fulcanelli has given us a hint, a clue. This leads us to question whether or not this story actually came from the mouth of an Egyptian priest in terms of Egypt as we now know it. If so, such a priest would have known of the period of heavy rain and shallow seas in Egypt, by which the Sphinx and other monuments were eroded, and which deposited a layer of salt on the interior of the pyramids and other structures that Fulcanelli mentioned. And so we suggest, to reconcile this difficulty, not that the story is false — because Fulcanelli has told us to “have faith in the account of Plato” — but rather that this was a deliberate exoteric “blind.”

Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves. As for those genealogies of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children.

In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived. And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word. For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war and in every way the best governed of all cities, is said to have performed the noblest deeds and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven.

Again, let’s interrupt the dialogue to point out that it is hardly likely that a priest of the Egypt we know would have declared the Athenians to be “the fairest and noblest race of men,” nor that they “performed the noblest deeds” and had the “fairest constitution … under the face of heaven!” Another clue that the speaker is giving us that it is NOT Egypt as we know Egypt that is the source of this information.

Solon marveled at his words, and earnestly requested the priests to inform him exactly and in order about these former citizens. You are welcome to hear about them, Solon, said the priest, both for your own sake and for that of your city, and above all, for the sake of the goddess who is the common patron and parent and educator of both our cities. She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and afterwards she founded ours, of which the constitution is recorded in our sacred registers to be eight thousand years old.

Yet again, the Egyptian priest is giving greater antiquity to the Greeks than to the Egyptians! Another clue for the reader to understand that this is not an Egyptian story of Egypt as we now know it!

As touching your citizens of nine thousand years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action; the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves. If you compare these very laws with ours you will find that many of ours are the counterpart of yours as they were in the olden time.

Here, of course, we come to the idea that there was an ancient connection and communication between the "real Egyptians” and the "real Athenians." Georges Gurdjieff once remarked that Christianity was taken from Egypt, a statement that might suggest that he agreed with the Pan-Egyptian school. But no: Christianity, he hastened to explain, was not taken from the Egypt of history, but from a “far older Egypt” which is unrecorded."

Friday March 19, 2004: I would like to draw the reader's attention back to a comment quoted in a previous chapter:

Quite apart from the difficulty of fitting most places described in the Iliad and the Odyssey into the physical reality of the lands surrounding the Aegean Sea, there is also a problem with the spiritual content of Homer's works. Plato had doubts as to their Greek origin and the great philosopher was by no means an admirer of this imaginative poet whose gods, with their jealousies and vengeances, behaved like spoilt children. Plato was particularly worried about the corrupting influence of Homer's poems on the minds of Greek youth, above all because of their "lack of respect" for the gods. He suggested that certain passages of the Iliad and Odyssey should be corrected or even expurgated and if he had been the dictator of his "ideal state," he would have had them burned, thus breaking the chain of transmission of these unique and extremely ancient poems. [Wilkens]

I think that there is an additional explanation for why Plato was so antagonistic to the tales of Homer: Plato's own story of Atlantis was the story of the original exemplar of the Trojan War and he knew that many of the features of the original war were being distorted by Homer and attributed to a much later war, on a different scale, with certain elements added that would create misunderstanding in the minds of readers.

The idea of a ten year war - with massive losses on both sides - being fought over a woman exercised me for quite some time especially while I was reading Herodotus' account of Helen. His observations are so pithy and his style of writing is so entertaining that I would like to share it with the reader:

Those of the Persians who have knowledge of history declare that the Phenicians first began the quarrel. These, they say, came from that which is called the Erythraian Sea to this of ours; and having settled in the land where they continue even now to dwell, set themselves forthwith to make long voyages by sea.

And conveying merchandise of Egypt and of Assyria they arrived at other places and also at Argos.

Now Argos was at that time in all points the first of the States within that land which is now called Hellas.

The Phenicians arrived then at this land of Argos, and began to dispose of their ship's cargo: and on the fifth or sixth day after they had arrived, when their goods had been almost all sold, there came down to the sea a great company of women, and among them the daughter of the king; and her name, as the Hellenes also agree, was Io the daughter of Inachos.

These standing near to the stern of the ship were buying of the wares such as pleased them most, when of a sudden the Phenicians, passing the word from one to another, made a rush upon them; and the greater part of the women escaped by flight, but Io and certain others were carried off.

So they put them on board their ship, and forthwith departed, sailing away to Egypt.

In this manner the Persians report that Io came to Egypt, not agreeing therein with the Hellenes, and this they say was the first beginning of wrongs.

Then after this, they say, certain Hellenes (but the name of the people they are not able to report) put in to the city of Tyre in Phenicia and carried off the king's daughter Europa;--these would doubtless be Cretans;--and so they were quits for the former injury.

After this however the Hellenes, they say, were the authors of the second wrong; for they sailed in to Asia of Colchis and to the river Phasis with a ship of war, and from thence, after they had done the other business for which they came, they carried off the king's daughter Medea.

And the king of Colchis sent a herald to the land of Hellas and demanded satisfaction for the rape and to have his daughter back.

But they answered that, as the Barbarians had given them no satisfaction for the rape of Io the Argive, so neither would they give satisfaction to the Barbarians for this.

In the next generation after this, they say, Alexander the son of Priam, having heard of these things, desired to get a wife for himself by violence from Hellas, being fully assured that he would not be compelled to give any satisfaction for this wrong, inasmuch as the Hellenes gave none for theirs.

So he carried off Helen, and the Hellenes resolved to send messengers first and to demand her back with satisfaction for the rape; and when they put forth this demand, the others alleged to them the rape of Medea, saying that the Hellenes were now desiring satisfaction to be given to them by others, though they had given none themselves nor had surrendered the person when demand was made.

Up to this point, they say, nothing more happened than the carrying away of women on both sides; but after this the Hellenes were very greatly to blame; for they set the first example of war, making an expedition into Asia before the Barbarians made any into Europe.

Now they say that in their judgment, though it is an act of wrong to carry away women by force, it is a folly to set one's heart on taking vengeance for their rape, and the wise course is to pay no regard when they have been carried away; for it is evident that they would never be carried away if they were not themselves willing to go. And the Persians say that they, namely the people of Asia, when their women were carried away by force, had made it a matter of no account, but the Hellenes on account of a woman of Lacedemon gathered together a great armament, and then came to Asia and destroyed the dominion of Priam; and that from this time forward they had always considered the Hellenic race to be their enemy: for Asia and the Barbarian races which dwell there the Persians claim as belonging to them; but Europe and the Hellenic race they consider to be parted off from them.

The Persians for their part say that things happened thus; and they conclude that the beginning of their quarrel with the Hellenes was on account of the taking of Ilion: but as regards Io the Phenicians do not agree with the Persians in telling the tale thus; for they deny that they carried her off to Egypt by violent means, and they say on the other hand that when they were in Argos she was intimate with the master of their ship, and perceiving that she was with child, she was ashamed to confess it to her parents, and therefore sailed away with the Phenicians of her own will, for fear of being found out.

These are the tales told by the Persians and the Phenicians severally: and concerning these things I am not going to say that they happened thus or thus, but when I have pointed to the man who first within my own knowledge began to commit wrong against the Hellenes, I shall go forward further with the story, giving an account of the cities of men, small as well as great: for those which in old times were great have for the most part become small, while those that were in my own time great used in former times to be small: so then, since I know that human prosperity never continues steadfast, I shall make mention of both indifferently. [...]

And the priests [of Egypt] told me, when I inquired, that the things concerning Helen happened thus:--Alexander having carried off Helen was sailing away from Sparta to his own land, and when he had come to the Egean Sea contrary winds drove him from his course to the Sea of Egypt; and after that, since the blasts did not cease to blow, he came to Egypt itself, and in Egypt to that which is now named the Canobic mouth of the Nile and to Taricheiai.

Now there was upon the shore, as still there is now, a temple of Heracles, in which if any man's slave take refuge and have the sacred marks set upon him, giving himself over to the god, it is not lawful to lay hands upon him; and this custom has continued still unchanged from the beginning down to my own time.

Accordingly the attendants of Alexander, having heard of the custom which existed about the temple, ran away from him, and sitting down as suppliants of the god, accused Alexander, because they desired to do him hurt, telling the whole tale how things were about Helen and about the wrong done to Menelaos; and this accusation they made not only to the priests but also to the warden of this river-mouth, whose name was Thonis.

Thonis then having heard their tale sent forthwith a message to Proteus at Memphis, which said as follows: "There hath come a stranger, a Teucrian by race, who hath done in Hellas an unholy deed; for he hath deceived the wife of his own host, and is come hither bringing with him this woman herself and very much wealth, having been carried out of his way by winds to thy land. Shall we then allow him to sail out unharmed, or shall we first take away from him that which he brought with him?"

In reply to this Proteus sent back a messenger who said thus: "Seize this man, whosoever he may be, who has done impiety to his own host, and bring him away into my presence, that I may know what he will find to say."

Hearing this, Thonis seized Alexander and detained his ships, and after that he brought the man himself up to Memphis and with him Helen and the wealth he had, and also in addition to them the suppliants. So when all had been conveyed up thither, Proteus began to ask Alexander who he was and from whence he was voyaging; and he both recounted to him his descent and told him the name of his native land, and moreover related of his voyage, from whence he was sailing.

After this Proteus asked him whence he had taken Helen; and when Alexander went astray in his account and did not speak the truth, those who had become suppliants convicted him of falsehood, relating in full the whole tale of the wrong done.

At length Proteus declared to them this sentence, saying, "Were it not that I count it a matter of great moment not to slay any of those strangers who being driven from their course by winds have come to my land hitherto, I should have taken vengeance on thee on behalf of the man of Hellas, seeing that thou, most base of men, having received from him hospitality, didst work against him a most impious deed. For thou didst go in to the wife of thine own host; and even this was not enough for thee, but thou didst stir her up with desire and hast gone away with her like a thief.

Moreover not even this by itself was enough for thee, but thou art come hither with plunder taken from the house of thy host. Now therefore depart, seeing that I have counted it of great moment not to be a slayer of strangers. This woman indeed and the wealth which thou hast I will not allow thee to carry away, but I shall keep them safe for the Hellene who was thy host, until he come himself and desire to carry them off to his home; to thyself however and thy fellow-voyagers I proclaim that ye depart from your anchoring within three days and go from my land to some other; and if not, that ye will be dealt with as enemies."

This the priests said was the manner of Helen's coming to Proteus; and I suppose that Homer also had heard this story, but since it was not so suitable to the composition of his poem as the other which he followed, he dismissed it finally, making it clear at the same time that he was acquainted with that story also: and according to the manner in which he described the wanderings of Alexander in the Iliad (nor did he elsewhere retract that which he had said) it is clear that when he brought Helen he was carried out of his course, wandering to various lands, and that he came among other places to Sidon in Phenicia. Of this the poet has made mention in the "prowess of Diomede," and the verses run this:

"There she had robes many-coloured, the works of women of Sidon, Those whom her son himself the god-like of form Alexander Carried from Sidon, what time the broad sea-path he sailed over Bringing back Helene home, of a noble father begotten."

And in the Odyssey also he has made mention of it in these verses:

"Such had the daughter of Zeus, such drugs of exquisite cunning, Good, which to her the wife of Thon, Polydamna, had given, Dwelling in Egypt, the land where the bountiful meadow produces Drugs more than all lands else, many good being mixed, many evil."

And thus too Menelaos says to Telemachos:

"Still the gods stayed me in Egypt, to come back hither desiring, Stayed me from voyaging home, since sacrifice was due I performed not."

In these lines he makes it clear that he knew of the wandering of Alexander to Egypt, for Syria borders upon Egypt and the Phenicians, of whom is Sidon, dwell in Syria.

By these lines and by this passage it is also most clearly shown that the "Cyprian Epic" was not written by Homer but by some other man: for in this it is said that on the third day after leaving Sparta Alexander came to Ilion bringing with him Helen, having had a "gently-blowing wind and a smooth sea," whereas in the Iliad it says that he wandered from his course when he brought her.

Let us now leave Homer and the "Cyprian" Epic; but this I will say, namely that I asked the priests whether it is but an idle tale which the Hellenes tell of that which they say happened about Ilion; and they answered me thus, saying that they had their knowledge by inquiries from Menelaos himself.

After the rape of Helen there came indeed, they said, to the Teucrian land a large army of Hellenes to help Menelaos; and when the army had come out of the ships to land and had pitched its camp there, they sent messengers to Ilion, with whom went also Menelaos himself; and when these entered within the wall they demanded back Helen and the wealth which Alexander had stolen from Menelaos and had taken away; and moreover they demanded satisfaction for the wrongs done: and the Teucrians told the same tale then and afterwards, both with oath and without oath, namely that in deed and in truth they had not Helen nor the wealth for which demand was made, but that both were in Egypt; and that they could not justly be compelled to give satisfaction for that which Proteus the king of Egypt had.

Dear Friends:

Last the sismological studies made in the last 20 Spanish, Portuguese, North American years by specialists, and French in the area of the Gulf of Cadiz, and Straits of Gibraltar, demonstrate that between the 10.245 BC, until year 1577 (tsunami of Lisbon), they have been taken place tsunamis, associated to earthquakes of great intensity, at the rate of one every 1500 years (maximum every 2000). The calculations have done it geologists thanks to the finding of typical geologic deposits of the registry of tsunamis. Once again we are not before a mere invention or speculation born of my mind, but before results of very serious and rigorous scientific studies made by scientists of many Universities. The table of the possible registries of tsunamis that you can see in the following Link (in Spanish, and English) demonstrates that great probabilities that exist they have happened at least two great catastrophes sismic-tsunamical in same time to which Plato fixes the date of the war between Atlanteans and Athenians. As you can see the table, geologists S.M. Lebreiro, I.N. Mc Cave, and P. Weaver (1997), the Straits of Gibraltar area of and Gulf of Cadiz think that in approximately in the 1245 BC, one of these great tsunamis could happen, in. I believe thatcould be around the 1330 BC. As it wants that it is, according to same calculation of geologists, could happen another one between the 1500 BC and the 1300 BC. If it is certain that still scientists make lack more proofs, before a enough probability scientific we are elevated at least, because these calculations are sustained in the fossil registry of tsunamis in that area. They are not mere speculations without scientific fundament, all the opposite, have much scientific fundament.

We all know the list of obligatory points that the Conference of Milos the 2005 dictated for majority that should gather any hypothesis on Atlantis that seeks to be considered as a serious intent, worthy of scientific discussion. This original list of 24 points has been revised and corrected by Georgeos Díaz-Montexano in the following way:

1. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have been located where an Insular-Land used to be and where parts of it may still exist.

2. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have had a most distinct geomorphology composed of alternating concentric rings of land and water.

3. The Insular-Land Atlantis should have been located before (in front) the Pillars of Hercules, in the Pelagus Atlantic.

4. The Insular-Land denominated like Atlantis were divided by Poseidôn in ten parts or districts, and one of those ten parts was an extremity that arrived until the part of the Pillars of Hercules, and its denomination was Gadeira.

5. The Insular-Land Atlantis was (in part) from Libya, and (meizôn) so greater (or as powerfull) as Asia (Anatolia and Middle East?).

6. Atlantis must have sheltered a literate

7. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have been routinely reachable from Athens by sea; and at some time it must have contacts with the Greeks.

8. At the time, the Atlanteans should have been at war with Athenians (Poseidôn against Athena).

9. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have sunk entirely or partly below the water.

10. The Acropolis of Atlantis was destroyed in Cecrops, Erechtheus, Erichthonius and Erysichthon times, before Theseus’s times.

11. The Acropolis of Atlantis was 50 stadia from the sea.

12. Atlantis had a high population density, enough to support a large army (10,000 chariots, 1,200 ships, 1,200,000 hoplites)

13. The region of Atlantis involved the sacrifice of bulls.

14. The destruction of Atlantis was accompanied by an great earthquake (seismôn) and a Kataklüsmos: “cleaning by liquid or waters” (tsunami?).

15. After the destruction of Atlantis, the passage of ships was difficult.

16. Elephants were present at least in a part of Atlantis, and ivory was used.

17. Hot and cold springs were present in Atlantis.

18. Atlantis lay on a coastal plain of 3000 stadion of Maxima length, and 2000 stadion from the sea until approximately in the middle of the plain; surrounded by mountains falling into the sea.

19. Atlantis controlled other colonies or states of the period.

20. Some Winds in Atlantis came from the north.

21. The Atlanteans constructed canals in the plain where was the Acropolis.

22. In Atlantis they were constructed “aqueducts over the bridges”.

23. Atlantis were “beneath the sun” (huph’ hęliôi), expression that it indicates was - most of the year - in a sunny place.

24. Every 5th and 6th year, they sacrificed bulls.

“Milos Conference Match”, reviewed and corrected by Georgeos Díaz-Montexano (2005-2007).However there are only some few points that are obligatory, the other ones they could be left as secondary. I have been able to reduce to only 10 indispensable or obligatory points. These points are the most exclusive or characteristic in Atlantis, that is to say, those points that cannot be ignored, and that they are not common to all the civilizations, that is to say that cannot be with easiness in any place of the world. In this reduction of points I have omitted the figures and measures, because the studies of the diverse codexes and MS demonstrate that big contradictions exist. Consequently, the figures of the measures and distances neither the figures of the dates can be considered as sure elements in the scientific discussion.These are that is to say the 10 key points that are obligatory, that it should complete any theory on Plato’s Atlantis, so that it can be considered as a serious and rigorous intent of approach to the enigma of Atlantis.

1. The Atlantis should have been located where an Insular-Land used to be and where parts of it may still exist.

2. The Insular-Land Atlantis should have been located “before the mouth” of the Pillars of Hercules, but in the Pelagus Atlantic, not in the Mediterranean neither in another sea or the ocean.

3. The Insular-Land denominated like Atlantis were divided by Poseidôn in ten parts or districts, and one of those ten parts was an extremity that arrived until one part of the Pillars of Hercules, and its denomination was Gadeira.

4. In Atlantis, in its ground, a native human species arose, that is, indigenous a human species or endemic, that is to say, that the first human beings of Atlantis did not come from any other part of the world but that were born in he himself ground of Atlantis.

5. Atlantis must have sheltered a literate population with writing system, and endemic or indigenous language, with metallurgical and navigational skills, and use of chariot-horses.

6. Elephants were present at least in a part of Atlantis, and ivory was used.

7. The Atlantis Acropolis lay on a rectangular coastal plain, surrounded by mountains falling into the sea.

8. Atlantis were “beneath the sun” (huph’ hęliôi), expression that it indicates was - most of the year - in a sunny place.

9. The war between the Atlanteans and Athenians occurred in Cecrops, Erechtheus, Erichthonius and Erysichthon times, before Theseus’s epoch, that is, in the times of Mycenaean Greece.

10. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have been reachable from Athens by sea; and at some time it must have contacts with the Greeks.
Any hypothesis or theory that it doesn’t respect these obligatory points, simply not even are not entitled to be considered as a serious or scientific hypothesis. Some considerations on the points 4 and 5.The study of the languages of old Iberia Nęsos that had writing, as Tartessians, Turdetanians, Iberians, etc., it demonstrates that the old residents from Iberia, before the arrival of the phoenicians, Greek and Roman, they spoke some languages that don’t belong, that is to say that are not kindred, of none of the linguistic well-known families; consequently, it is impossible to sustain any hypothesis on the origin of the old residents from Iberia, without before to demonstrate that the civilizations proposed as cradle of Iberia, have the same languages.

Conclusion. The proof demonstrates - until the moment - that the old civilizations of Iberia like Tartessians and Iberians are absolutely original, autochthonous, indigenous, endemic, that is to say that they had their origin in the same Iberia Nęsos, from the most remote antiquity, that is to say, from before the human being that lived in Iberia learned how to speak.

The languages of Iberia, like it passed with the language of Sumerian, they were born in the same floor of Iberia makes hundred of thousands of years, or makes millions of years, because nobody has been able to demonstrate - so far - that the languages of Iberia derive of other well-known languages. When one compares the old languages of Iberia with other old languages that neither has well-known family or demonstrated as it is the case of the Sumerian, or of Basque, then the conclusion is that the old languages of Iberia, that is to say, the language of Tartessians, or the language of most of the tribes Iberians, is not Sumerian, neither it is Basque, in spite of so near Basque being geographically. Plato’s texts locate Atlanteans like inhabitants of the lands that are next to Atlantic Pelagus, “before the mouth” of (pro tou stómatos) Hercules’ (Gibraltar) Pillars, and next to the region of Gadeira, that is to say, in the environment of the strait of Gibraltar, and the costs of Iberia and Morocco, but always in Atlantic. This same all the authors of the antiquity that spoke of these three geographical points, say and that they spoke of Atlantis. Consequently, it is an unquestionable fact for any person that respects the scientific rigor and the truth. Then, if Atlanteans was inhabiting of the Atlantic costs of Iberia and Morocco, then Atlanteans cannot have been Etruscs, neither Sumerians, neither the same inhabitants of any other place of the Planet. Plato’s Critias affirms that Atlanteans had an autochthonous origin, that is to say, indigenous, endemic, starting from Euęnôr that was the first human being that arose in Atlantis, being born of the own earth, that is to say that didn’t come of any part. Plato is informing us that Atlantis overcomes its origins to a human autochthonous, indigenous, endemic population that had its origin in the same floor of Atlantis that didn’t come or it descended of any part, and the scientific proof they demonstrate that in Iberia - almost a million years ago - it also arose kind of a hominid autochthonous, indigenous, endemic, that is to say that didn’t come of any place, because although one believes could come from África, the true fact is that it is an unique species that has not been found. so far. in any other place of the world. This species has been baptized as “Homo Antecessor”, that is to say, the predecessor of the human modern species; and lastly, we have seen as well as in Iberia, the oldest civilizations had an autochthonous, indigenous, endemic language that didn’t come from any place of the world. Critias also tells us that Atlanteans had its own grammar or it notarizes, and logically its own language. As before said that they were natives of a human autochthonous, indigenous, or endemic species, then it is logical to suppose that their language was also autochthonous, indigenous, or endemic, that is to say, born in the same floor, and not derived of any other nation or linguistic family.

Conclusion: Plato’s descriptions point to Iberia, at least like a part, or very important extension of old Atlantis Nęsos, and the autochthonous, native, or endemic character of Atlanteans, it is also confirmed by the evidences scientific pickups in Iberia. Not it exists in any other place of the planet, another Nęsos (island / peninsula) that has been next to Hercules’ Pillars, next to a region of Gadeira, and next to a sea Atlantic, and that has also had a human autochthonous, indigenous, or endemic species, that is to say that has not come of another place, and that has also had an autochthonous, indigenous, or endemic language, that is to say, a language that has arisen in same Nęsos, that is to say that has not derived of other languages. Only Iberia Nęsos gathers all these requirements that are obligatory, because, simply, all these key points or indispensable requirements are all data that are written in Timaeus and in Plato’s Critias.

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HI HELEN,
THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF MY POINTS ALL ALONG. NOT ONLY IS IT ALL PART OF "ATLANTIS" NONE OF IT WILL SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY BECAUSE IN A MONOTHEISTIC PATHOCRACY, WE CANT ALLOW A SUPERIOR PAST CIVILLISATION TO EXIST. IT ALSO KINDA MESSES UP THE BIBLE BANGER TIME LINE OF HISTORY.
ZEP TEPI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry about this being off topic, but felt the need to share it with you...I have just received this:

Cuban Atlantis Conspiracy?
by Andrew Collins


I regularly receive emails asking what happened regarding the apparent discovery by a Canadian salvage company of alleged archaeological structures in the deep sea off the west coast of Cuba back in 2001. There was a lot of publicity concerning these finds at the time, then the whole thing simply went dead.

Back then I had just written a book entitled GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS (2000), which proposes that Cuba was the flagship of Plato's Atlantis (see more by clicking here). I also predicted that important underwater remains awaited discovery off the island's west coast. Now those discoveries had seemingly been made, so I was patted on the back by my contemporaries. I wrote articles on the subject, appeared on various radio stations, and was even invited to lecture at the last ever conference organised by the late Thor Hyerdahl in the Canary Islands, which took place in June 2001 (Regrettably, I was unable to attend as I was already lecturing in Vienna that same weekend).

I was as excited as everyone about what had been found off Cuba by Russian-born salver Paulina Zelitsky and her Canadian partner Paul Weinsweig, who traded under the name ADC Communcations. I was involved in the whole affair from the offset, interviewing Weinzweig at length on the telephone, and speaking to them both on a regular basis. I was also involved in setting up a publishing deal for exclusive world rights on the story with publishers Randon House. So here is one email I received recently asking what went on, and whether or not there was a conspiracy to hush the matter up:

"We're trying to find out why there is no more news on the sunken ruins found near Western Cuba since 2004. No one has proven that the stones are either natural or man made. We're beginning to believe there is a conspiracy to make this find go away.

"I remember a while back you posted a comment on your website in which you said you witnessed actual data from Paulina Zelitsky from ADC. You said you had to be careful about what you said and not to disclose anything they said was forbidden. Did you see anything suspicious that would warrant a conspiracy? Is there anything that you can say that won't break your promise? Can you contact Paulina Zelitsky to confirm why the public has not heard from them?"

And my reply: "There is no conspiracy, simply human necessities. Paulina Zelitsky and Paul Weinzweig held out as long as possible for the best possible deal on world rights to release pictures and video footage of what had been found. I know, I was involved with the deal from Random House, and was to have ghost written the accompanying book, which would have been accredited to them (I was chosen since the agent working on the project was working with me also, and I had just released GATEWAY TO ATLANTIS, which pinpointed Cuba as the site of the main island of Atlantis).

"The money on offer was seven figures in pounds sterling (based on a sliding scale of what had been discovered), but Paulina Zelitsky and Paul Weinzweig refused the offer, wanting even more to fund their future expeditions. They hoped that NatGeo would top the offer. However, when finally the pair released video footage of what they had found it was deemed both of poor quality and not what was hoped, and since Zelitsky and Weinzweig had run out of money, a stalemate ensued. No further footage could be got, so the Random House offer (which they could have taken) was withdrawn. I have no idea what offer NatGeo made, but I suspect it was afterwards withdrawn also.

"Zelitsky and Weinzweig had to go back to what they know best - treasure hunting and vessel salvage, and no one has heard from them since. They have simply vanished off the map. Story ends.

"This said, I firmly believe that prehistoric archaeology does await discovery off Cuba, and hopefully within the next year I will take part in a major expedition to identify suspected structures off both the north and south coasts of the island.

"Cuba is by far the best candidate for Atlantis's flag ship, and one day hopefully we will be in a position to prove that."

"What exactly Zelitsky and Weinzweig discovered remains a mystery. Whether artificial structures, ballast from Russian submarines or natural features, we might never know. All theories are possible."


source: http://www.andrewco llins.com/ page/news/ news25.htm

Andrew Collins is currently working on a book about the hunt for the Egyptian Hall of Records slated to be published next year.

HI HELEN,
BEEN A WHILE, I HOPE ITS CAUSE YOU WERE READING CASS. LOL WELL I BEEN GETTING THAT FROM A LOT OF DIFF DIRECTIONS AS PPL ARE STARTING TO WAKE UP A LIL BIT. ALL I CAN SAY IS MY CREEDO:WHERE KNOWLEDGE EXISTS,FEAR CAN NOT!
IM NO LONGER AFRAID OF THUNDER,THE DARK,TORNADOES ETC.....
THOSE OF US WHO DON'T OUT WEIGH OR IQ'S NEED TO WORK TOGETHER , OR AT LEAST REACH AS MANY PPL AS ARE "REACHABLE". ON THAT NOTE,HERES A STORY I BEEN RUNNING INTO IN A FEW CIRCLES. IT KINDA FITS HERE TOO:
Now, more than in the past 100 years or so of our nation's history, we have a great number of people who sense that something 'just ain't right'. So what is one to do? First of all, you begin a quest for the truth about any particular topic. Pick one. Currently, you can choose from the NAU, Real ID, NAIS, the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" that aren't in Iraq, the Law of the Sea Treaty, the water boarding issue in Gitmo, the legality of the "income tax," the effects of the 'free trade' agreements on our nation, the "Clean Water Restoration Act," the "Military Commissions Act", Agenda 21, the "CFR" or heck, for some real light study, how about the institution of central banking and fractional reserve banking systems? There are a lot more, but this should at least give the idea that we have a problem. A very, very, big problem. It's like that infamous elephant in the living room that no one wants to talk about and most don't want to see.



Yet those giant piles of elephant excrement keep getting on everyone's shoes, so many have no choice but to begin to contemplate that where there is crap, there is a crapper. And before one can get the elephant out of the room, you have to admit that there is one. Some people will sit with brown stuff running down their faces and look at you with a blank stare saying, "What elephant?" They don't even notice the manure. Those folks are the furniture....You can't help them, so don't waste your time trying. Some people will marvel at the manure that keeps spontaneously generating out of thin air and blame it on the opposing political party; you may or may not be able to help these people. They are certainly worth a try. What you really want is the person that is wondering what kind of beast keeps splattering them and why isn't anyone on NBC-BS talking about it? These are people that are ready for some truth. Now you've got something to work with.



When you find someone who wants to know what the heck is going on, you just received a parallel promotion. Now you have the duty of teaching this person what you know, but don't look for a paycheck, this job has more eternal rewards. Since not many of us were raised up in households that knew the effects of birth certificates, Social Security numbers, and positive versus non-positive law (if lots of us were raised with that knowledge we wouldn't be in the mess we're in) we all had to start learning at some point. So you have to find out what the capacity for understanding of this person is. Even though it's way too late to be polite, you have to keep some empathy about you or you'll just scare the person into hopelessness, paranoia, or worse yet, apathy, and that isn't helpful to you, them or our nation.



If someone asks you "How can Congress pass a law that violates the Constitution?," don't hit them with a dissertation on the power structure of the NWO complete with breakdowns of the effects of our membership in the UN, the truth about the "Civil War," the history of the Federal Reserve and the Shadow government all at once. Just answer their question and it will lead to another question. Think of it like food. They need to eat little bites at a time. They may be hungry for the whole meal because they are one of the rare people who truly want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but they still need to chew only what they can swallow. It is an elephant after all.



Then there are those folks who notice the elephant feces, and ask about it, and when you begin to show them the elephant, they disdainfully say, "How preposterous! That cannot possibly be!! I know that is indeed elephant manure, but still....I'll acknowledge the tail and leave the rest to my imagination, thank you. Dismissed." These people are even more disappointing than the last type. They see some of it, but want to keep their hands over their eyes and admit into existence the little bit of what they can see through their fingers. If they keep being forced to admit that the tail is connected to a rump, and the rump is connected to rear legs, and the legs -well you get the picture, and they may, but it requires a lot of patience.



Finally there are people who don't want to look at the elephant even though it's standing on their foot. We all have plenty of these people in our lives. When told about something like the NAIS with all of its effects on choice for consumers, loss of rural jobs and businesses, privacy issues, consolidation of agriculture and effects on property rights, they say things like "I want to be sure my burger is free from terrorism." These people will trade your real liberty for their false sense of security in a heartbeat. They think they get the truth from the evening news, believe that you can't understand issues without a doctorate, and that the government gives us rights. They are absolutely sure there are no absolutes. They sit there obstinately no matter how persuasively you plead with them to move. They are the furniture. They stay where they have been put and will not be swayed.



Sometimes the furniture is part of your immediate family. You give them articles, places on the internet to visit, links to government documents on the topic, and endless reams of documentation and mainstream news articles, and they toss back a flippant accusation that "You're just a conspiracy theorist. None of this is that bad." Usually you'll ask, "Did you read what I gave you?," and they'll say something like "I scanned some of it, but didn't really have time to spend on it. My kid had a soccer game and then our favorite show was on, so we got pizza on the credit card and just enjoyed the entertainment." They just told you they don't know, don't care, and asked that you please stop confusing them with the facts...When you find that you are engaged in conversation with a coffee table, stop. Save your breath for those with questions. No impassioned plea ever moved a couch. Don't talk to the furniture.

I KNOW KINDA LONG BUT IT APPLIES LOL

Hi Mike,

Laura with her questions along with the answer's on the Cass site was rather interesting to say the least..Seems to be a lot of answer's that do ring home to the truth. What lies ahead is not all that encouraging is it?

HI HELEN, YES I AM A AVID FOLLOWER OF LAURA KNIGHT JADCZYK'S WORK.
IT MIGHT BEHOOVE YOU TO DO THE SAME LOL. SHE'S OUR SAVIOR, SHE HAS ALL THE RIGHT ANSWERS YADDA YADDA. NOW REPLACE HER NAME WITH SITCHIN AND SEE HOW SUSPICIUS THAT APPEARS. BUT SERIOUSLY YOU NAMED AN INVALUABLE RESOURCE THERE.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/earth2.htm
http://www.sott.net/signs/signs_cropcircles_supplement.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/fulcanelli_da_vinci_code.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/Laura-Knigh...st_growing_cult.htm

A Semitic People - jews etc

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_lauraknight04.htm

Atlantis

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/atlantid...alienvisitation.htm

Atlantis
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_atlantida.htm

HEY HELEN,HMMMM WHERE TO START...........WELL.........
DITTO ABOUT BYRDE. HITLER HAS A CONNECTION TO HPB THRU THE THULE SOCIETY. THEREFORE ANYTHING HE DID AS FAR AS THE NAZI DEALINGS IN ANTARTICA AND ELSEWHERE SHOULD BE VIEWED THRU THAT TYPE OF LENSE. I HAVE TOLD YOU BOUT THE PIRI REIS MAP B4.I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK INTO THE (MAP OF THE CREATOR)FOUND IN THE UKRAINE. THE GIANTS ARE THE NEPHILIM. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE'LL BE SEEIN THEM AGAIN DON'T WORRY. LOL PEOPLE LIKE ANDRE THE GIANT CARRY A RECESSIVE GENE FROM ANCESTERS MATING WITH THEM.
THE IRONY BOUT HITLER IS DAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GENETIC JEW. HIS ACTIONS WERE ATTACKING HIS CLOSEST BRETHEREN GENETICLY SPEAKING.
U SHOLD ASK YOURSELF WHERE "THOSE" PEOPLE COME FROM AS WELL AS THE CELTS.
BUT SINCE YOU DID ASK I WILL SAY THE PLANET KANTEC. NEVER HEARD OF IT? LOL WELL JUST LOOK BETWEEN MARS AND JUPITER. WHEN REFERENCES ARE MADE TO BLOODLINES EXTENDING "OFF PLANET" THATS WHAT THEY SHOULD GO BACK TO.
AS FAR AS THE PHILLY EXP GOES,WELL THERE'S A WHOLE TON OF DISSINFO THERE. SPECIALY MONTAUK. NOT SO MUCH THE PEOPLE,(EINSTEIN,TESLA,VON NEUMAN)BUT THE RESULTS AND SO CALLED TECHNOLOGIES FROM IT. AL BELIK AND THE LIKE ARE THE DISSINFO AGENTS.
HMM WHATELSE WAS THERE,OH YAH CROP CIRCLES. WELL THERES A LOT THERE. FIRST OF ALL DOUG AND DAVE MY ASS!!!!.SORRY JUST HAD TO GET DAT OFF ME CHEST LOL.
I WOULD CALL IT IN LAYMANS TERMS REIKI FOR EARTH. ORIGINATING FROM THE REALM OF THOUGHT DOWN THROUGH THE REALM OF CONTEMPLATION AND THE REALM OF VARIABLE PHYSICALITY TO OUR REALM. UNLESS THERES A CHOPPER NEAR BY THEN I'D SAY ITS NWO PROPAGANDA. WHEEEW I THINK THAT WAS ALL YOU MENTIONED.
CATCH YA LATER

Admiral Byrde, was rather interesting wonder what happened to the rest of his Diaries? I understand that the sposors of his expeditions confiscated his diaries. Soooo what we have on this is only what his daughter or son can tell us...So who do you believe? hmm

Here is one that has always interested me:-

THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT:

http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/philadelphia_experiment.htm

What was it that interested Hitler about the Antarctic? Long read but definately worth it. Be sure to follow the links.

http://greyfalcon.us/Quest%20of%20the%20Nazis.htm

----------------------

Mystery of the Piri Reis Maps....

http://xoomer.alice.it/dicuoghi/Piri_Reis/pirireis.jpg

TROANA MANUSCRIPTS

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/leumurian5.html

CROP CIRCLES DECODED

http://imageevent.com/cropcirclerational/c...sw48zce25.buffalo_s

GIANTS:-

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giants.html

Question: Where do you think these Giants came from?

OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING NEW ABOUT CUBA IN MONTHS MYSELF.

JUST A QUICK NOTE HELEN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WzhWp6xzgE
SITCHEN IS THE NEWAGERS CHRISTIANITY.COINTELPRO (DIFFERENT FLAVORED GRASS FOR THE "DIFFERENT" CATTLE TO CHEW ON)JUST FODDER.

HI HELEN, YES I KNOW DAT ONE. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE GIANTS DISCOVERED IN A CAVE IN THE GRAND CANYON? AROUND 1909 I WANT TO SAY. HOW WOULD YOU SAY THE ITEM ON OAK ISLAND RELATES? OR DO YOU SEE NO CONNECTION?
I GROW WEARY OF THE INFINITE NUMBER OF "BENEVOLANT SPACE BROS" OUT THERE TO TEACH US AND SAVE US FROM OURSELVES YADDA YADDA. DO YOU THINK COWS SEE US AS BENEVOLANT? I FIND THE ADMIRAL BYRD STORIES FAR MORE INTERESTING.WHAT I DO FIND CATCHY ARE THE TEACHING STORIES OF VERACOCHA,QETZACOATL,OSIRUS THERES YER SPACE BROS LOL. ZEP TEPI SUPERCEDES THE NIBIRU BIZ BY ABOUT 40,000 YEARS.

Edited by author 07-03-2008 09:36 AM
THE HEFFERLIN MANUSCRIPT:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_h...tierra_hueca_26.htm

Mike,

What ever happened to Zelitsky. It was in 2005 that she dived with a submersible over the site. Since then silence. Linda Howe mentioned she was doing underwater searching for wrecks to fund more dives. That was in 2006. You spend a lot of time in the Caribbean. Is she still in the area or has all of this vanished in a puff of smoke. Finally retired from paying the US military and now have time via NOLA to do useful things like exploration. The latest RC plane has a great TV camera with a GPS overlay good to a foot in accuracy.

42 light-years from Earth towards the southern Doradus and Pictor constellations,
 three super-Earths have been discovered by Swiss scientists using the HARPS spectrograph
 on ESO's 3.6-m telescope at La Silla, Chile, after five years of monitoring. The three planets,
 have 4.2, 6.7, and 9.4 times the mass of the Earth and rapidly orbit a star, HD 40307, slightly smaller
 than our sun. One planet circles the star in four days, compared with Earth's 365 days;
 one takes 10 days and the slowest takes 20 days. Image courtesy ESO, European
 Organization for Astronomical Research in the Southern Hemisphere.
More than 270 exoplanets have been found. Most are gaseous giants, resembling Jupiter or Saturn. Smaller Earth-size planets are difficult to find. None can be imaged directly at light-years distances, but can be spotted indirectly using electromagnetic waves which transmit sounds or, in the case of HARPS, spectrographic measurements. As a planet orbits, it makes the star wobble very slightly and the wobble can be measured. EOS astronomer Stephane Udry says, “With the advent of much more precise instruments such as the HARPS spectrograph, we can now discover smaller planets, with masses between 2 and 10 times the Earth's mass.”
(EARTHFILES.COM)
I WAS HOWEVER REFERING TO THE NUMBER OF PLANETS IN OUR OWN SYSTEM. IF YOU CALCULATE THE ANGULAR MOMENTUM OF THE SYSTEM, YOU WOULD DERIVE THE ABSENCE OF MORE BODIES.DON'T NEED A STORYTELLER TO SPOON FEED YOU THE INFO. ITS ALL RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU. LOL

Just wanted to say keep up the good work fella's. I enjoy the site thoroughly. Although I come from the conservative side of the spectrum as my friend and mentor Mike Arbuthnot does, I admit that there are various, what you may call "quarks", in the archaeological record where a specific site or artifact just doesn't quite fit. I have always been intrigued by these "quarks". For example, the Sphinx has evidence of water erosion on its bottom portion. Considering that there has probably not been water in this region for thousands of years raises questions about the age of the monument in discussion. Although I personally enjoy the realms of Biblical archaeology myself, I find them all intriguing and each artifact tells its unique and untimely story. Hope this site continues to spark the minds of many more to come. Keep up the good work team atlantis!

Derek Pomaranski

Regarding the fact that they are millions and millions of other planets and systems in the universe, and that we know it since 10 years only with proofs, our philosophy must evolve.
The Sitchin's wrinting, even if they may be wrong, have nothing to do with nonsense , what was fiction before can tomorrow be normality.

HI HELEN,
LOL IN MY EXPERIENCE BOTH ARE THE SAME. NOTHING BUT MYTH AND DISSINFO.JESUS,HORUS,MARDUK.......MONOTHEISM IS LIMITED THINKING IN A FREE WILL UNIVERSE. IF YOU SHOWED UP TO PRIMITIVES EVERY TIME IT RAINED. YOU'D BE THE RAIN GOD. YES THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE PLANETS OUT THERE.AND YES THERE ARE EBE'S. THE REST IS SITCHENS STORYTELLING IS ALL.WE CAN FIND DOZENS OF BIBLE BANGING ARCHEOLOGISTS OUT THERE. DOES THAT MEAN THE BIBLE IS A HISTORICAL RECORD? PLEASE.......

Glad your amused and won the bet with your wife. Tell your wife she's slipping.

Do you know the difference between Jesus and Sitchen?

If that was your point...Then why did you post it? Already knew you had an opinion on Sitchen ;) You're a stirrer you are! Need your hand smacked!

signed: Fuddy :D

HI HELEN,
HA HA HA HA ROTFLOL. ME WIFE OWES ME A DOLLAR BECAUSE YOU REACTED JUST LIKE A FUNDY LOL. IF I WERE TO REPLACE SITCHEN WITH JESUS AND POST IT ON A XTIAN SITE. NO ONE COULD TELL THE DIFFERENCE. THAT IS MY AGRUMENT AND MY POINT.

What a load of poppycocks on this site you've given! It sounds a bit like the misconception about man Landing on the Moon. These guys, or supposed scholars with all the Papers to qualify what they are saying, are also full of bullcrap too. Lets see them put the facts out there. Where is what they are saying the living proof and why have'nt they had the guts to do better than Stichen and enlighten the world with their so called knowledge.. eh? Instead of bitching about someone who has taken the time to do just that. There will always be critics that pull people down, that have at least had a go. Its the destructive nature of man no doubt. Its disgusting! They have waited for Sitchen, now an old man and probably incapable of answering all the rediculas questions, to prey on the weak if you ask me. If they are better lets see them have a go! Jealousy is such a curse.

insert: Carroll says Sitchin's dubious translations are used to decieve: "Like [Erich] von Däniken and [Immanuel] Velikovsky, Sitchin weaves a compelling and entertaining story out of facts, misrepresentations, fictions, speculations, misquotes and mistranslations." ------WOW what a mouthfull.

If it was not for these guys above, we would still be living in a world based on old history books and the misconceptions of the religious media that have hidden knowledge from us all for years and still doing it. Even the Dead Sea Scroll disiphering is on a go slow, WHY FGSs???. We would still be believing that UFOs never existed that alone a 12th planet. Where are all these critical do gooders...don't see too many of their hypothesis floating around to qualify what they are calling facts Hebrew or herbrew. Just a heap of critical dudes looking for an argument because they can't do better. Need to see some facts from them before I throw Sitchen out. If they think he is wrong, where are their facts. All hot air if you ask me..sorry!

This is my argument, whats yours?

HI HELEN, I BEEN FOLLOWIN THAT STORY FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS NOW LOL. IRONICLY I SIGNED ON JUST TO GIVE YOU A SITE TO CHECK OUT. IF YOU WERE TO REMOVE ABOUT TWO THOUSAND FEET OF WATER OFF THE PLANET YOU WOULD SEE WHAT I BEEN TRYING TO SAY. THAT ATLANTIS IS EVERYWHERE. NO ONE CAN DIVE OFF CUBA. TOO DEEP AND TREACHEROUS. ANYWAYS HERE IS THAT SITE:www.sitchiniswrong.com/

JUST SO YOU SEE THAT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SHARES THIS OPINION.

Hi Mike,

What do you know about this:-

Paulina Zelitsky and her husband, Paul Weinzweig and I believe that they believe they discovered more than just a Cuban trash dump. There are bibliography of 39 articles about Zelitsky's "lost city of Cuba" (aka MEGA)

Have you did a dive around this area that Zelitsky says that their discoveries are more than just a trash dump? Would be interested to hear what you have to say here.

Quote: Andrew Collins has met with them and Michael Arbuthnot (of Team Atlantis) and they are skeptical that the site isn't anything more than large, modern, concrete structures, Unqote. FGS ((((Modern)))))"concrete structures" under the sea ..comon man!

We need some proof here not skepticisium.

It frustrates me, when people sit in their armchairs and say what they like, ie; (Andrew Collins and you and others) thinking that we are dudes and wont understand...What's the secret?..Comon! Need to put the proof where your mouth is!

Marine Archaeology - Underwater discoveries news:-

http://www.morien-institute.org/uwnews2007b.html

Atlantis:-

http://www.morien-institute.org/atlantislinks.html

History of the Golden Age - Discoveries and explorers:-

http://www.nii.net/~obie/historygold.htm

History - Archeological Investigations in the Bay Islands, Spanish Honduras:-

http://www.aboututila.com/UtilaInfo/William-Strong/AI-History.htm

Miscellaneous:-

http://www.southamericanpictures.com/archa...-history-index1.htm

http://www.indiana.edu/~arch/saa/matrix/saa/saa_mod01.html

Earth Cronicles - 2008

Important Url ---- http://www.earth-keeper.com/EKnews_4-17-08.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/mexicocrystals.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/crystalcave.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/crystals.html

http://mars-earth.com/sitchin.htm

Zecharia Sitchin

THE HISTORY CHANNEL

Here is a recent interview with Zecharia Sitchin discussing his research into the Anunnaki and the planet Nibiru. Modern Scholars are still baffled by Sitchin's information.

CLICK HERE (real player format)

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NEW RESEARCH! Listen to Michael's Recent Radio interviews on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and Rense Radio with Jeff Rense and recently with Chris Pirillo.

More here from Huttoncommentaries..on the "Firestone Emblem".

http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/article....tegory=5&article=87

Construction plans of the firestone were taken to various locations, one of which was Yucatan:

As indicated, the records of the manners of construction of same are in three places in the earth, as it stands today: In the sunken portions of Atlantis, or Poseidia, where a portion of the temples may yet be discovered, under the slime of ages of seawater - near what is known as Bimini, off the coast of Florida. And in the temple records that were in Egypt, where the entity later acted in cooperation with others in preserving the records that came from the land where these had been kept. Also the records that were carried to what is now Yucatan in America, where these stones (that they know so little about) are now - during the last few months - BEING uncovered.

H: Xavi - In answere to your question where did I get this information on the Olmec's was purely from the given site that you see and yes according to this information it would place the Olmec's closer to the Pacific.

xi? where did you get this info? which autor, i knew that the languagge from the olmec[s where actually unknown and the evidence of his procedence make them closer to the pacific ocean instead of atlantic

WHAT ABOUT THE OLMEC? WHAT WERE THEY ACTUALLY CALLED?

H: The Olmec people called themselves Xi (pronounced Shi)
The Olmecs were a culture of ancient people - 1300-400B.C. of the East Mexico Lowlands. They are often regarded as the Mother Culture of Middle American civilizations.

 http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Olmec



THEY DON'T NEED PLANS TO MAKE A FIRESTONE. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS RECOVER THE ONE THATS 300 MILES DUE EAST OF NEW PORT RICHE FLA.

H: Plans of the Firestone Crystal were placed at the same time as the placement of the Hall of Records that were brought from Atlantis to the Yucatan region.

Yes I understand that there is a anomaly in those waters and from time to time where the sea turns almost white as it bubbles. So something is making the sea bubble there wonder what? It has been hypothosised that its a gas hole. Could it be a pyramid giving of its energy below the ocean. Has anyone ever dived that area???

IT FIRES AND CREATES THE ANOMALIES WITH WHICH WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR.

H: You know I don't mind your spelling ...You do get use to it! I am not complaining about your Caps lock either --- :D No one is perfect!

SUCCESS!
FINALLY SOME ACTION ON THIS SITE. I PERSONALLY LIKE THE LOOK OF CAPS. I FIND THE LETTERS MORE SOOTHING TO MY EYES. HI HELEN,I'M WITH YOU ON ALL OF THAT. ITS JUST BEEN 35 YEARS FOR MYSELF.
WHAT ABOUT THE OLMEC? WHAT WERE THEY ACTUALLY CALLED? THEY DON'T NEED PLANS TO MAKE A FIRESTONE. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS RECOVER THE ONE THATS 300 MILES DUE EAST OF NEW PORT RICHE FLA.
IT FIRES AND CREATES THE ANOMALIES WITH WITCH WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR. I DON'T SEE 3 SEPERATE ATLANTIS'S. I SEE A CIVILISATION THAT WAS HERE LONG ENOUGH TO SURVIVE MULTIPLE PERIODIC IMPACTS.

Here is one serious "Edgar Cayce" researcher comments on the Yucatan region. Ref: Topic - Assortments - In refrence to Cayce's readings...

http://atlanteanhalls.netfirms.com/CaycesYucatan.html

Our Topic of discussion in my "HOA Group". Is the "Firestone Emblem" which will point us in the direction of the Plans for the "Firestone Crystal's Construction". e.g. "Power Crystals"..that is free energy that lead to the demise of one of the Atlantean destructions - ie; there were (3 three) consecetive cataclysmic events that finally sunk "Atlantis". Our more serious search was for the "Hall of Records", these have to apparently wait because the time is not right...wow! People playing "God" annoy me!

Wondering if maybe there were there (3 three) "Atlantis's"? hmmm My hypothesis to that is maybe Antarctica...Bolivia...somewhere between Bimini and Andros could be reminents of the lost Continent. All of these places are connected with tunnel systems. Teleportation was the theme, of travel in these tunnel systems. Tunnel's everywhere all over the world linking up our ancient world. What does anyone know of the "Hollow Earth Theory"? hmm another topic I guess!

As far as serious research on "Atlantis" goes Mike...I think I have done my fair share over the past 40 yrs. :) I enjoy looking outside the square I live in and outside the Bible. So many things have been with held from us, keeping us from learning more about our ancient past. More of those that enjoy playing "God" of course...Strange how the "Great Library of Alexandria" just happened to catch fire where all the important data of mankinds history was stored...this is just one example...then we have the Vatican..wow! The list goes on. So it's one of those things where you have to go it alone and find the truth's the best way you can, even if they are half truths, at least the efforts have been made.

In response to the Atlantis Stories and Galactic Ancestors I have been working on a MS Powerpoint presentation I will be presenting publicly in Australia in about a months time. If you email me an email address I can send it to I would appreciate any addtional input or critique on it so i can make it as credible as I beleive it to be. My email address is harryw_2012@yahoo.com.au so if any one of you are interested email me and I will send it to you. The Title is The Symbiosis of Theology, Science, Art and Technology. the first slide is.... Ancient Temple sites have been places of worship for locals since their first Ancestors have handed down the stories, songs, dance and art over time traditionally. The last slide at the moment (still a work in progress) is..... Crystalline Console Technology
Advance development into holographic touch screens
Used to activate the resonance of frequencies in the teleportation of everything from one temple to another

Now this technology is in existance today and with Moores Law on technolgy that everything develops 100% on itself within 18 months (or something like that) we on the precipice of great change. And wiil see even more miraclous develpment within our generation. We will not see death but we we see the dead being brought back to life.... freaky i know but this is happening and it is so cool.

#1 please turn off the caps lock, its really the least you can do if you insist on insulting Sitchin or anyone else in here.
#2 I don't personally have knowledge of a galactic federation but it would make sense to have an organization like that in an inhabited galaxy...
#3 Cayce is a good source for the new age take on Atlantis, in my personal opinion. Especially since the other topics he gave readings on were so accurate.
QT - MIKE wrote:
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SLICE A CHUNK OF A GASEOUS PLANET? GALACTIC FEDERATION? HAS ANYONE HERE DONE SERIOUS RESEARCH INTO ATLANTIS? HAVE YOU AT THE VERY LEAST LOOKED AT CAYCE'S WORK?. I HAVE A HARD TIME GIVING CREDENCE TO ANY "FEDERATIONS".
YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO FRANK JOSEPH'S WORK ON CAYCE. EVEN BRAD STEIGERS OLD BOOK ATLANTIS RISING IS A GOOD START. THERE ARE MANY OTHER PLACES TO LOOK THAN SITCHIN. HE HAS AN AGENDA OF DISSINFO. HE'S LIKE LAURENCE GARDNER. A LIE SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO TRUTHS IS STILL A LIE.

More info

http://www.subversiveelement.com/Planet_X.html

Where does Nibiru come from? I have reasons to believe that the "War in The Heavens" was created by the Creator (yet renegade) planet Nibiru. Because their planet was not big enough they decided to sliced a chunk of Jupiter. They breached the Galatic Federation Laws and distruction began with a terrible war in the Heavens. Enoch speaks of this war.

Hi Mike,

http://xfacts.com/x.htm

:)

I CAN'T EXPLAIN THE VIBE REALLY. I JUST GET IT. AM FAMILIAR WITH GIANTS,HOWEVER I REITERATE MY POINT:IF YOU CAME EVERY 76 YEARS YOU COULD SAY YOU'RE FROM HALEY'S COMET. THE TWO ARE ONLY RELATED IN WHEN THEY OCCUR.IT'S LIKE A BIO RYTHUM. THE DARK AGES WERE DARK BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THE LIGHT OF KNOWLEDGE. FOR EXAMPLE:WHY WAS THE CRAB NEBULA EXPLOSION IN 1054 ONLY REPORTED BY THE LIKES OF JAPAN,CHINA WHY NOT IN EUROPE? SOMETHING BEING IN THE SKY FOR MONTHS WOULD SURELY BE NOTICED. I SEE OTHER PLANETS OUT THERE SURE,BUT THERE IS NO X. ITS A COMET CLUSTER. THE BEINGS SHOW UP THEN BECAUSE OF THE BIO RYTHUM.

Edited by author 03-08-2008 10:12 AM
Here is some info to maybe qualify Sitchens work. You have to think where these Giants came from and who constructed these half/man half/animal beings probably from the "Dark Ages" who knows? Who were these strange Gods and where did they come from...hmm Maybe Planet X -Nibiru! You need to look closely at the size comparisons of "Man" on the Ancient Sumerian Seals. Refence being made to Giants. Look closely at the Winged God with a little purse and a Cone in his hand. Could this cone be dipped into the bag of white powdered gold for consumption to keep them in a divine state?

http://history-world.org/sumeria.htm

http://www.bibleufo.com/worldgod3.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html

http://www.hiddencodes.com/annunaki.htm

http://www.creativemediahosting.com/swn/cosmic_laws.html

http://ambilac-uk.tripod.com/cometlee2012/id6.html

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-1-12.htm

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-3-07.htm

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/starfire1.html

http://www.asc-alchemy.com/mono.html

Mike:

I'm sure everyone would appreciate it if you'd take off the CAPS LOCK. It comes off as "yelling" as is generally frowned upon.
In order to properly "defend the material" I would have to cut and paste huge swaths of material that other people have posted directly quoting Sitchin's books. I would also need to ask Sitchin for the permission to do so.
I'm not sure what you are asking about the "darkness" of the "dark ages". Generally speaking, clamping done on serfs by a decaying royal class will typically result in a "down time", not to mention invasions by "barbarians", the black plague, and the refusal of religious hierarchies to allow freedom of thought also didn't help, right?
Sitchin goes into things at length re: Atlantis and Mu and their possible cross overs with the Anunnaki...
I can't help you with the bad vibes, man. What exactly is making you so judgmental? The guy is so open and fair with people and he gives other people proper credit when it's due. His voice is extremely gentle and is comments are incredibly thoughtful. So what's up?
m



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YOU DEFEND THE MAN AND NEGLECT TO DEFEND THE MATERIAL. BUT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS A MUCH MUCH SOONER TIME FRAME. THATS MY POINT. NOT TELLING YOU SOMETHING IS JUST AS BAD AS LIEING. IF WHATEVER HAPPENED AT THE YEAR ZERO THEN WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 15TH CENTURY BC? WHAT MADE THE DARK AGES SO DARK? WHAT WERE WE RECOVERING FROM?
BUT ANYWAYS HOW DOES SITCHIN EXPLAIN ATLANTIS? MU? ITS THE MATERIAL IM INTERESTED IN. I STILL GET BAD VIBES OFF THE MAN.

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/si...teor_supplement.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/hoagland.htm
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/earth2.htm

JUST SHARING INFO

Helen:

Of course everyone has the right to free speech, that's what this is all about, but I take offence when one of the greatest minds of the millennium (IMHO) is attacked with name-calling.
Mike:

Yes, Sitchin delves into great etail re: the relationship of the Sumerian material to pretty much everything you mentioned. Quetlquotl, for example, the "plumed serpent" is prety much identical to Enki of the Annunnaki ("the plmed serpent")... Sitchin goes into incredibly fine detail on this and realted topics.
As for Nibiru raising the Earth's Shuman resonance, we'll probably have to wait until it's likely return in about 1600 years, sorry...
BTW, sunspots AFAIK are not ALL at 19.5 degrees, although yes, I am very aware of Hoagland's work and I think alot of it has been overlooked/ignored by science even though it seems to oftentimes have some strong validity.
Mike, rather than me trying to summarie/paraphrase the massive amounto f material in Sitchin's works, how about you pick up a $4 used copy of the 12th planet at any used bookstore? If they don't have that title, most of his other books also include a summary of the 12th Planet somewhere in their midst.
I really lthink you would enjoy the material, frankly. If, after a close reading of the material, you still have such objections to his work, I'd be alot more understanding and willing to go through a point by point analysis, but I'd prefer you arm yourself with his words before getting into too much detail.
This is not a cop-out, it's just that 30+ years of Sitchin's research and writings can't be given it's proper due my me in this forum.
BTW, Sitchin is giving fewer and fewer lectures/meetings, but having had the pleasure of meeting him, I have to tell you he's an extraordinarily nice and open-minded guy and I urge you to try and see him before he retires altogether...
matt



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HI AGAIN,YES I KNOW I HAVE SPELLING ISSUES.LOL. THAT CONNECTION TO THE LAKES HELEN,IS THAT THEY ARE CRATERS FROM MULTIPLE FRAGMENTARY IMPACTS.SHOEMAKER IN 1994 OPENED A LOT OF EYES.WHY ARE COMETS CONSIDERED OMENS OF DOOM IN ALL ANCIENT REFERENCES?BROWN DWARFS STILL HAVE ONE HELL OF A MAGNETIC FIELD.A DEAD ROCK NOT SO MUCH.MOST STAR SYSTEMS WITH PLANETS OUT THERE ARE BINARY.
COULD NIBURU RAISE OUR SCHUMAN RESONANCE FROM 12 TO 18? IT USED TO BE AROUND 7. IF YOU CAME EVERY 76 YEARS YOU COULD TELL THE NATIVES THAT YOU LIVE ON HALLEY'S COMET. HOW WOULD THEY KNOW? WHY ARE SUNSPOTS ALWAYS AT 19.5 DEG?
SAME AS THE GREAT RED SPOT?
SORRY IM RAMBLING AGAIN. I MUSTA BEEN BORED TONIGHT.

I am sure Mike has his reasons for saying what he said. I do believe there is no harm done. Everyone deserves the right to Freedom of Speech. We all think out loud from time to time..don't we?...warm smiles

HI HELEN,MATT
MAN AGAIN I APPOLOGISE. BUT YOU DIDNT OFFER ANY POINTS. YOU JUST NAME DROPPED.
PLEASE EXPRESS ANY ACTUAL POINTS. I KNOW SEVERAL RESEARCHERS WHO HAVE LEARNED TO LOOK AT ALL THE DOTS AND EMBRACE ALL SCOPES OF THE BIG PICTURE. THE DOGON ONLY KNOW 10% OF WHAT THE ZULU DID.DOES HIS COLLERLATIONS MENTION PERIODIC COMETARY SHOWERS? DOES HE REFERENCE VELIKOVSKY AT ALL? MANY PEOPLE HAVE USED PRECESSION OF THE EQUINOXES TO EXPLAIN A LOT OF THINGS. LIKE THE SPHINX BEIN A MONUMENT TO THE AGE OF LEO. WITCH WITH PRECESSION WOULD MAKE IT WHAT? AT LEAST 10,000 YEARS OLD RIGHT?. DOES HE MENTION ZEP TEPI? VERRACOCHA? QUETZQUATAL?
 I GUESSING IM ASKING A PERSON WHO LIKES HIM TO EXPLAIN WHAT DOTS OR WHERE? THE DATA IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PERSON. THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN IS A REAL DIALOG HERE INSTEAD OF THE ONCE A MONTH HI HELLEN WHATS NEW?
THE PIRI REIS MAP? THE MAP OF THE CREATOR? DOES HE MENTION THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO DESSERT IN THE SAHARAH AND THE NILE HAD A TRIBUTARY TO THE ATLANTIC?
IM ACTUALLY CURIOUS. IVE ALWAYS STEERED AWAY FROM HIS MATERIAL. THERES SO MUCH STUFF OUT THERE. I GET A REAL BAD VIBE FROM HIM.BUT THAT'S ME. I GUESS AS LONG AS HE GETS PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE HE CAN'T BE ALL BAD.
SO LETS HEAR SOME POINTS?CORELATIONS? GET SOME DEBATE GOIN. GET THEM BRAINS FIRIN ABOVE (HOPEFULLY FOR SOME OF US) 10%.

AND I LIKED WHAT YOU SAID AT THE END HELEN.

Hi Helen 8)

Honestly, I just dont "get" our esteemed guest's obsession with insisting that Sitchin believes in, ahem, "LIMITING YOUR SOURCES"...
I mean seriously, of all things to say about Sitchin, y'know?

All of this will clearly be old hat to you, but for the edification of our guest, I guess I'll drop in a few discussion points rather than get drawn into a flame war 8)
Sitchin incorporates everything from the most ancient texts, archaeological finds, and scientific studies across virtually every continent on this planet... and others.
He brings in the Old Testament, The New Testament, the Akkadians, The Egyptians, The Sumerians, the Vedas... lost cities and sacred sites from Easter Island to the Olmec Heads, Stonehenge and New Grange to the vitrified cities of Harappa/Mojenhodaro(sic). Sacsahuaman and Teotihuanaco. The Mayans, The Dogon, Great Zimbabwe, Baalbek's 1000 ton tinker toys, Jerusalem, the Great Pyramids(yes, I mean 2), The Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings... and on and on.
Not to mention his crossover with the Mars-related ancient astronaut evidence. The Sumerian's ancient flight-guide to get from Mars to Earth is a trip, and how about their guide to our Solar System that included Uranus and Pluto thousands of years before "we" re-found them...
Sitchin's sources include not only research from the highest levels at NASA but also Naval Observatories, The Vatican, the Mayan Codices, Nostradamus and too much more to mention here....
Not to mention some of the beautifully written passages of his books which delve into the symbology of Enki's Caduceaus(sic) Coil, The Double Helix snakes topped off with the winged home planet ( I mean geez....)...
Planetary Geology comes into play re: the carving out of the Pacific. Lets not forget his presentation of the Precession of the Equinoxes as a crucial linkage across Anunnaki-influenced far flung Pyramid cultures...
Anyway, it doesn't take a gold-lusting-after, easily hypnotizable, genetically jump-started, 90% of the brain blocked, home erectus partially-derived, worker/worshiper to know that I have gone on writing too much here... and yet there's so much more to say.
That's why I say, once again, read The Earth Chronicles. If it's all a fiction, then it's a fantastic story... but when you begin to realize how much of Sitchin's work is actually real (assuming that there is any such thing as "reality"), it will certainly open some nice new doors in your mind....
Just my 2 cents,

Matt


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HI HELEN, YES ITS BOOK 2 OF HIS THREE. BUT I GOOFED THE TITLE A BIT ITS EARTH IN UPHEAVAL I THINK. WORLDS IN COLLISION IS ONE AND AGES IN CHAOS IS THREE.

H: I have read all of these Books, brilliant work. I understand they are no longer printing them.

MY RESEARCH SHOWS IT MORE TO BE A COMETARY THING BECAUSE ITS CYCLIC IN NATURE. LOOK AT THE ALIGNMENT OF THE LAKES IN THE SOUTH EAST LIKE GEORGIA.
THEY ARE PARALEL. ITS WHY I ALWAYS TRIED TO POINT YOU TOWARDS THE ORT CLOUD.

H: What is the connection to Lakes?

SITCHIN IS A MORON OK,BUT 3600 YEARS IS ACURATE.

H: Historically Sitchin is a great Scholar, when it comes to the work that he has contriubuted from not only ancient Sumeria but to history overal, when putting the pieces of the historical puzzel together, for example: The Ancient Seals of Sumeria. The work he has done gives one great insight into another side of our ancient history. I admire that he has brought together information from a world we knew very little about of bygone epochs. That is, Sumeria and the Sumerians.

http://www.sitchin.com/

http://history-world.org/sumeria.htm

 THE SWASTICKA WAS CALLED THE BLACK SUN.......WHAT WOULD A DEAD TWIN SUN LOOK LIKE?

H: Dead Sun - would just become a dead black charred planet....

If you spin the Swasticka in a smokey room watch what the spirals do. From the sun comes spirals of energy imminating throughout the universe as our planets and other energies mingle, these become conal spirals thus becomes like a finely woven web of energies, everything within our universe contains energies that give off - all related from the given source the SUN.

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/swastika.htm

WHAT WOULD IT DO WHEN IT PASSED THRU THE ORT CLOUD?

H: I should imagine if the Dead Sun passed through the OORT CLOUD so much damage would occur to our Universe as a whole because within the Hydrogen there would also be solid matter. So many culminating thoughts to imagine the possibilities.

 AND FINGERPRINTS IS BASICALLY A CONTINUATION OF VELIKOVSKY BY A MODERN RESEARCHER. YOU HAVE TO SORT THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF IN ALL SOURCES,BUT LIMITING YOUR SOURCES IS THE ACT OF A FOOL LOL.

H: I have always believed that our Universe is part of a huge "BLACK HOLE" system. If you know the theory behind the "Black Hole" then you would understand that when it has completed its "Implosion", then comes the "Explosion". Much like our "Big Bang" hypothesis. A Universe is born. What amazes me, is the possibilty of the SIZE and EXTENT of the Universe "OUTSIDE" our outer limits of our Universe. Given the theory of the "Black Hole" and the size of the ones in our Universe (which are small). How BIG must our worlds seem to it. There are more Black Holes within our Universe than we would like to perceive. One is a little too close for comfort. All of this is based on the fact that "Space is Infinit". Will we ever know?

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/...l2/black_holes.html

Images of Black Holes

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/imag...gr&va=Black+Hole&sz=

The Oort Cloud is a Tidal and molecular forces also contribute to influencing the orbits of bodies within the Oort Cloud. A giant molecular cloud is by far more massive than the Sun. It is an accumulation of cold hydrogen that is the birthplace of stars and solar systems. These are infrequently encountered, about every 300-500 million years, but when they are encountered, they can violently redistribute comets within the Oort cloud.

The total mass of comets in the Oort cloud is estimated to be 40 times that of Earth. This matter comes from different places in the Solar System, and from different distances from the Sun - this explains the varying chemical compositions among these comets.

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/cgi-bin/tour_d...ets/Oort_cloud.html

AS FAR AS ASKING FOR "PROOF" OF ANYTHING YOU MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER:FOR THE BELIEVER,NO "PROOF" IS NECASARY. FOR THE SKEPTIC,NO "PROOF" IS ENOUGH! ITS NOT ABOUT PROOVING ANYTHING , ITS ABOUT LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AND SEEING WHERE THE CONNECTIONS ADD UP.

H: I do realise that you have to look outside the square you live in. So many connections! Its hard to connect without some proofs. A curious Mind is a Beautiful Mind.

Hi can you send me a list's of book's to read thanks, Venus> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:59:14 +0000> Subject: Team Atlantis> From: qtopic-7-X3aL7efPmG5W@quicktopic.com> To: qtopic-subs@quicktopic.com> > --QT-------------------------------------------------------------> Reply by email or visit> http://www.quicktopic.com/7/H/X3aL7efPmG5W/m352>; -------------------------------------------------------------- --> > Hey, Mike:> > Zecharia Sitchin is not "moron". He's actually a genius IMO and> you would do well to read all of his books. (Have you?) > You mentioned "LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AND SEEING WHERE THE> CONNECTIONS ADD UP." > My advice: Read the 12th Planet and the rest of the Earth> Chronicles. Clearly, many of the answers to a wide range of> mysteries are revealed therein. > Matt> _________________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/7/X/X3aL7efPmG5W>; Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.&#A0;You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?sour...STRIPMIME_JOINLINES

SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE,BUT YES HE IS A MORON. IDOLIZING SITCHIN IS JUST A MODERN FORM OF NEW AGE BIBLE BANGIN. INSTEAD OF CONFIRMING OFF ONE SOURCE BIBLICALLY YOU CONFIRM OFF ONE SOURCE IN SUMARIAN. THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF LIMITED THINKING.

Hey, Mike:

Zecharia Sitchin is not "moron". He's actually a genius IMO and you would do well to read all of his books. (Have you?)
You mentioned "LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AND SEEING WHERE THE CONNECTIONS ADD UP."
My advice: Read the 12th Planet and the rest of the Earth Chronicles. Clearly, many of the answers to a wide range of mysteries are revealed therein.
Matt

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HI HELEN, YES ITS BOOK 2 OF HIS THREE. BUT I GOOFED THE TITLE A BIT ITS EARTH IN UPHEAVAL I THINK. WORLDS IN COLLISION IS ONE AND AGES IN CHAOS IS THREE.
MY RESEARCH SHOWS IT MORE TO BE A COMETARY THING BECAUSE ITS CYCLIC IN NATURE. LOOK AT THE ALIGNMENT OF THE LAKES IN THE SOUTH EAST LIKE GEORGIA.
THEY ARE PARALEL. ITS WHY I ALWAYS TRIED TO POINT YOU TOWARDS THE ORT CLOUD.
SITCHIN IS A MORON OK,BUT 3600 YEARS IS ACURATE. THE SWASTICKA WAS CALLED THE BLACK SUN.......WHAT WOULD A DEAD TWIN SUN LOOK LIKE? WHAT WOULD IT DO WHEN IT PASSED THRU THE ORT CLOUD? AND FINGERPRINTS IS BASICALLY A CONTINUATION OF VELIKOVSKY BY A MODERN RESEARCHER. YOU HAVE TO SORT THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF IN ALL SOURCES,BUT LIMITING YOUR SOURCES IS THE ACT OF A FOOL LOL.

AS FAR AS ASKING FOR "PROOF" OF ANYTHING YOU MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER:FOR THE BELIEVER,NO "PROOF" IS NECASARY. FOR THE SKEPTIC,NO "PROOF" IS ENOUGH! ITS NOT ABOUT PROOVING ANYTHING , ITS ABOUT LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AND SEEING WHERE THE CONNECTIONS ADD UP.

Hi Mike,

Nice to see you about again :). Be kinda nice to see more update on the North West Tip of Cuba, expedition. Have you any recent updates on it? As for "Fingerprints" (sounds like Von Daniken) - Well there are just too many to mention eh? "Worlds in Upheaval" sounds a bit like Velekovski, a brilliant writer with a wonderful insight. Have you read any of his stuff?

Regards
Helen

Given that there existed great civilizations all over the world prior to our current global societal structure, and reading into all the variants of eosteric and religious texts of all streams of thought and belief, and considering the supernatural elements of earth, and looking at the seemingly degragation of our global environment we seem to be confused on the path of our future. However they keys to our future are in our past.

H: I agree

My theory goes like this.... All matter is atomic. Rock is the only thing that does not change too much over epochs of time. There was a reputed existance of Gaia Earth or heaven on earth or God (Gods)dwelling on earth with man. There are stories of visitors from other worlds etc... With the advent of nano technology we can restore the biosphere that protected earth like a womb (Gaia Earth) which deploarises the ice caps and provide a temporate climate on earth. How? Microscopic pipes engineered in sacred geometrical structural design to capture the wind (of the spirit) which when installed on the foundation stones of all the ancient temple sites around earth will amplify the natural resonances that have been calculated in the design of the temple structures.

H: What do you know about Pole Shifts? Ref: In conjunction with these geometrical structural designs that capture the wind that act as capacitators from their foundations stones in these ancient temple sites around the earth.

Theses are megalithic capacitors that hum healing and use hydrogen energy (the singlarity of the atom) which emit mist which goes back up into the bisophere that restores the womb of water in the biospehere and reveals the true landscape of our planet. The funny thing is this restoratiaion and technical understanding also brings back the astronomical understandings of where the other restored (perfect) worlds are in our cosmos.

H: How do you know do you know about these (perfect) worlds in our Cosmos, that they do in fact exist? What is your hypothesis on technical/astronomical understandings?

We will be rewarded by open visitation of our Ancestors in the stars. Even more trippy is the spirit entites of our generations left on earth will be reformed through advancements in genetics and each one of us will be judged on our attitudes and actions on earth.

H: I agree with some of this, but how do you know of such things? Do you have any proof of this.

 All will be forgiven but the ones who intrisically adopted an negative and destructive approach to life will be the remnant left on this planet to endure the meteor impact and the rest will be ported via a link on the graviton (the pulse within the atom or the tiny spiral of light) to the perfect worlds our peaceful ancestors dwell on the last ime we figured it all out.

H: Oh so you know that there is going to be a meteor impact do you. When do you think this will happen?

There will be a period of eternity until the next cosmic seed from a exploding planet..ie a huge meteor peirces our womb producing a great flood and destroying our simple harmonious technology and buring with water and ash and dirt and rock a lot of our rejouvenated cities so we start all over again.

H: Something like the Great Flood eh?

Time scale for this is about a cycle of around 8000 years. There of course is a lot more detail into what i am suggesting but atleast you get an idea of where I am coming from or should I say wanting to go to. We have to save ourselves no-o0ne els is going to do it for us. Like wise old parents the celestial worlds are just watching and waiting. Trippy hey? Edit
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H: Oh! I am sure there is a lot more detail. How do you intend to save yourself from these pending catclysmic events? And yes its all rather trippy...grin

Regard
Helen

Given that there existed great civilizations all over the world prior to our current global societal structure, and reading into all the variants of eosteric and religious texts of all streams of thought and belief, and considering the supernatural elements of earth, and looking at the seemingly degragation of our global environment we seem to be confused on the path of our future. However they keys to our future are in our past. My theory goes like this.... All matter is atomic. Rock is the only thing that does not change too much over epochs of time. There was a reputed existance of Gaia Earth or heaven on earth or God (Gods)dwelling on earth with man. There are stories of visitors from other worlds etc... With the advent of nano technology we can restore the biosphere that protected earth like a womb (Gaia Earth) which deploarises the ice caps and provide a temporate climate on earth. How? Microscopic pipes engineered in sacred geometrical structural design to capture the wind (of the spirit) which when installed on the foundation stones of all the ancient temple sites around earth will amplify the natural resonances that have been calculated in the design of the temple structures. Theses are megalithic capacitors that hum healing and use hydrogen energy (the singlarity of the atom) which emit mist which goes back up into the bisophere that restores the womb of water in the biospehere and reveals the true landscape of our planet. The funny thing is this restoratiaion and technical understanding also brings back the astronomical understandings of swhere the other restored (perfect) worlds are in our cosmos. We will be rewarded by open visitation of our Ancestors in the stars. Even more trippy is the spirit entites of our generations left on earth will be reformed through advancements in genetics and each one of us will be judged on our attitudes and actions on earth. All will be forgiven but the ones who intrisically adopted an negative and destructive approach to life will be the remnant left on this planet to endure the meteor impact and the rest will be ported via a link on the graviton (the pulse within the atom or the tiny spiral of light) to the perfect worlds our peaceful ancestors dwell on the last ime we figured it all out. There will be a period of eternity until the next cosmic seed from a exploding planet..ie a huge meteor peirces our womb producing a great flood and destroying our simple harmonious technology and buring with water and ash and dirt and rock a lot of our rejouvenated cities so we start all over again. Time scale for this is about a cycle of around 8000 years. There of course is a lot more detail into what i am suggesting but atleast you get an idea of where I am coming from or should I say wanting to go to. We have to save ourselves no-o0ne els is going to do it for us. Like wise old parents the celestial worlds are just watching and waiting. Trippy hey?

HI HELEN, BEEN A WHILE. I WAS WONDERING WHEN SOMEONE WOULD GET TO THE CUBA MATERIAL.TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE MATERIAL ALL OVER THE GLOBE, ONE WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST FAMILIAR WITH "WORLDS IN UPHEAVAL" AS WELL AS "FINGERPRINTS" OF COURSE
GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU!
MIKE

Hi thanks for the info, I would love to join you all on you next trip. I wiil send more info later. have a great week.> Subject: Team Atlantis> From: qtopic-7-X3aL7efPmG5W@quicktopic.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 01:37:57 +0000> To: qtopic-subs@quicktopic.com> > --QT-------------------------------------------------------------> Reply by email or visit> http://www.quicktopic.com/7/H/X3aL7efPmG5W/m345>; -------------------------------------------------------------- --> > Some sites here of interest:-> > http://www.nwidi.org/TheMegaBlog/>; > http://www.nwidi.org/themegablog/>; > In the summer of 2000, a team of researchers led by Paulina> Zelitsky and Paul Weinzweig discovered what appeared to be the> submerged ruins of an ancient city (the "lost city of Cuba")> covering more than seven square miles. The site, known as MEGA,> lies just a few miles off the western tip of Cuba (click the> image above to view the approximate location) and is now more> than 2,100 feet below the surface. Some experts believe the city> might have been built on a land bridge that once connected Cuba> to Mexico\s Yucatan Peninsula and that this narrow strip of land> collapsed due to a huge earthquake.> > ------------------> Recent Research> > Some of the most interesting research in MegaAmerica is being> done by Drs. Greg and Lora Little (of A.R.E.), William M. (Bill)> Donato (of the A.P.E.X. Institute) and others who are actively> working in the waters around the Bimini and Andros Islands in> the Bahamas. With each expedition, it becomes more obvious that> sites such as Bimini Road, Proctor\s Road and the Andros> Platform are not ]naturally occurring beach rock^ but are, in> fact, the remnants of an ancient maritime culture that has yet> to be acknowledged by main-stream archaeology. The first> verifiable, hard evidence may be brought to the surface later> this year (see ]Breaking News^ below) and it will change the> history of the ]New World^ in a very dramatic way!> > --------------------> > > http://www.nwidi.org/TheMegaBlog/blogs/default.aspx>; > http://www.nwidi.org/TheMegaBlog/blogs/the...og/archive/2007/>; 09/09/699.aspx> > The New Yonaguni> > For a couple of weeks now, various media outlets have been> running a story about the Yonaguni monument based on information> from Masaaki Kimura, a professor at Ryukyu University. Kimura> claims to be ]on the verge^ of proving that the underwater> megalithic feature was the foundation of a castle built in the> middle of a city that was sunk by an earthquake 3,000 years ago.> That would make the site at least 7,000 years newer than> previously thought! The new theory first appeared on the Reuters> News Service HERE but let\s examine what we really know about> Yonaguni.> _________________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/7/X/X3aL7efPmG5W>; Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!&#A0;Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?ici...STRIPMIME_JOINLINES

Some sites here of interest:-

http://www.nwidi.org/TheMegaBlog/

http://www.nwidi.org/themegablog/

In the summer of 2000, a team of researchers led by Paulina Zelitsky and Paul Weinzweig discovered what appeared to be the submerged ruins of an ancient city (the "lost city of Cuba") covering more than seven square miles. The site, known as MEGA, lies just a few miles off the western tip of Cuba (click the image above to view the approximate location) and is now more than 2,100 feet below the surface. Some experts believe the city might have been built on a land bridge that once connected Cuba to Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula and that this narrow strip of land collapsed due to a huge earthquake.

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Recent Research

Some of the most interesting research in MegaAmerica is being done by Drs. Greg and Lora Little (of A.R.E.), William M. (Bill) Donato (of the A.P.E.X. Institute) and others who are actively working in the waters around the Bimini and Andros Islands in the Bahamas. With each expedition, it becomes more obvious that sites such as Bimini Road, Proctor’s Road and the Andros Platform are not “naturally occurring beach rock” but are, in fact, the remnants of an ancient maritime culture that has yet to be acknowledged by main-stream archaeology. The first verifiable, hard evidence may be brought to the surface later this year (see “Breaking News” below) and it will change the history of the “New World” in a very dramatic way!

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http://www.nwidi.org/TheMegaBlog/blogs/default.aspx

http://www.nwidi.org/TheMegaBlog/blogs/the...2007/09/09/699.aspx

The New Yonaguni

For a couple of weeks now, various media outlets have been running a story about the Yonaguni monument based on information from Masaaki Kimura, a professor at Ryukyu University. Kimura claims to be “on the verge” of proving that the underwater megalithic feature was the foundation of a castle built in the middle of a city that was sunk by an earthquake 3,000 years ago. That would make the site at least 7,000 years newer than previously thought! The new theory first appeared on the Reuters News Service HERE but let’s examine what we really know about Yonaguni.

Dec. 4, 2007

Subject: Burgeo, Newfoundland Site
 
Here ia an update and slight revision of Post 328 (6-12-06)

Atlantis can be connected with theories suggesting early movements into
America from Europe. Ideas here say there are truths in the Atlantis
account, that it is a glorified version of a paleolithic society in the
Newfoundland area, in which interesting
natural features were interpreted as actual structures made by man or by gods. These myths become elaborated by later day "poets" until Atlantis had received the highest characteristics of Classical Greece. Specifics in the Atlantis account will be shown to agree well above chance with actual places. (References to the account can be checked on
http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ataw/ataw102.htm Numbers in parentheses
indicate page and distance into the page.)
 
The poetical elaboration makes the account seem total fiction, but truth is apparent
in several passages such as the one indicating America. (10, 2/3) "...there was an
island situated in front of the straits which you call the Columns of Heracles: the
island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands.
And from the islands you might pass through the whole of the opposite continent
which surrounded the true ocean; for the sea which is in the Straits of Heracles is
only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the
surrounding land may be truly called a continent." Translations vary, and Lee says
"opposite the straits" rather than "in front of."
http://www.geocities.com/atlantisreviews/A...nofTranslations.htm.
 
Ideas here say people somewhat like eskimos settled the eastern North America area.
Their stories are handed down to Plato's time, perhaps by proto-writing, king-lists,
and charts. That specifics would be transmitted through a period when graphic
communication was probably not the rule is more acceptable when it is noted that
lands-across-the-sea might be a major theme of the stories. That stories did come down
from remote times when sea levels were lower is supported by (12, 1/4) which suggests
more land area in the Greek islands in the past.
 
From Europe is not absolutely necessary for the Atlantis ideas here, but the two notions
lend credence to each other, and "...the way to other islands" (10, 3/4) seems to
refer to the northern route involving the Greenland and Iceland areas. Once the route
was discovered, perhaps 17,000 years ago, other peoples likely used at times for
thiousands of years afterwards.
 
Atlantis fits best the North America east coast/ Grand Banks/ Newfoundland areas.
These explain size, sinking, and most of the agreeable specifics in the account.
Direct and indirect knowledge by the settlers of much of the North America coast
would project a landmass comparable to "...Libya and Asia..." which are very
abbreviated on ancient world maps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_world_maps.
The inundation of the Banks provide the "impassable" region with "mud" which leads
to the poetical notion that all of Atlantis sank (11, 2/5; 12).
http://www.gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/coast/sealevel/evol/glacial_e.php.
The island of Newfoundland provides the "plain" and "city" and most of the specifics.
 
The "plain" was located at the "centre" of Atlantis, but associated with the coast
(17, 2/3). Variation in translations suggest an interpretation which has the "plain" on
a seperate landmass than the mainland, especially (from a Jowett translation)
"Looking towards the sea..." Also "...plain, itself surrounded by mountains which
descended toward the sea..." indicates the plain was on a landmass apart from Atlantis "proper" (the mainland coast) (17, 2/3). A map
of North Amerca reveals how the island of Newfoundland is approximately at the
"centre" of the coast.
http://www.north-america-map.com/relief-map.htm.
The "plain" was "rectangular," placed horizontally, and 3000 by 2000 stades, or
with the stade rounded to 600 feet, about 340 miles by 225 miles (17, 2/3;
18, 1/10).
http://www.sizes.com/units/stadion.htm
Shape, orientation, and size, as well as topography (17, 2/3), are agreeable with
Newfoundland.
http://www.icebergfinder.com/iceberg-map.aspx
"...fairest of all plains..." with "...smooth and even..." suggest an ice sheet plain
with the "fertile" being a later assumption (13, 1/10; 17, 2/3).
 
"Centre" is used again to locate the "city," perhaps a cluster of fishing villages,
along the southern shore of the plain's landmass. The "city" is associated with a
small mountain inland 50 stades (about 6 miles) which is the central island of a
formation of concentric lakes (13, 1/10; 15, 1/10; 17, 4/5). The hybrid version of
http://maps.google.com/
shows the town of Burgeo near the center of the even portion of the southern
shore. About 6.5 miles WNW is the Big Barasway, a cove with two prominent islands.
Its diameter is about 80% of the total diameter of the Atlantis lake formation, 27 stades
(about 3 miles). The larger island in the Barasway is agreeable in size with the city's
central island, 5 stades (3000 feet). (15, 1/4)
 
A "channel" 50 stades long ran to the sea from the lake formation, but was not
necessarily connected to it (15, 1/4). Islands to the south of the Barasway
suggest emergence in the past where something like a channel could have existed. apparentlythe region has gone through glaciation, depression, and rebound;
 possibly Geology could estimate when the geography better fitted details in the
 account. Ice Age maps indicate after 14,000 BP.
.
http://www.gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/coast/sealevel/evol/anim_e.php
 
While the poets certainly borrowed characteristics from the Classical period to
elaborate Atlantis, the too impressive canal system indicates sources beyond
human endeavor. (18) A large canal bordering the "plain" might derive from
glacial melt or from misinterpretation of a graphic representation. The 100
stades (about 11.4 miles) spacing of canals leading inland is agreeable with
the spacing of rivers on the southern coast. Very noticible on the satellite
maps are the straight criss-cross features or "transverse" canals, some
leading to the Barasway or "city."
http://maps.google.com/
 
Atlantis is said to have had palaces, statues, bridges, towers, metal-plated
(or colored) embankments, a warm spring, and in the middle of the central
island, a huge temple (15; 16). The following sites show interesting
scenery around Burgeo and other parts of Newfoundland. On the first site,
the second picture gives a glimpse of the formation which probably evolved in story into the"acropolis," the very heart of Atlantis (17, 1/4). The view is north
from the narrow sandbank.
http://www.kayakers.nf.ca/sea_kayaking/tri...o%20alexander1.html
 
http://www3.sympatico.ca/jmf/Terre_Neuve/
 
http://www.easternoutdoors.com/adventures/gallery/out9.html
 
http://3dphoto.net/world/canada/newnova/newnova.html
 
http://www.burgeonl.com/councilors.htm
 
Atlantis had features probably now totally submerged. A "wall" (Moraine? Dyke?
Levee?) began at the sea and ran in a circle, possibly with a diameter of 100
stades. Associated with the "wall" was apparently the main settlement, "...densely
crowded with habitations...," or according to Bury, the "wall" had "...numerous
houses built on to it..." (17, 2/5). Within the lake formation itself was a narrow
channel "roofed" over (15, 2/5).
 
But not submerged would be the "acropolis" with its "temple" in the middle of
the central island which had "...a sort of barbaric splendor..." The length was
a stade (600 feet), width was half that, and height was "proportionate." (16, 1/5)
The account says offerings and sacrifices were left, and the temple and a
nearby palace were well decorated. In addition to the site above, the satellite
map shows a hint of the "acropolis."
 
The termination of the Younger Dryas may have limited the tenure of the "city."
Eratic sea level changes and rapid warming may have made the area undesirable
and may have played a part in the scarcity of very old sites in all of the island of
Newfoundland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
Somewhat puzzling is how closely the 9600 BC date, derivable from the account
and associated with natural catasrophe, agrees with the time climatologists give
for the termination (5, 1/5; 11, 3/4). An anniversary time for reviewing old
records has been hinted.
 
The account tells of a movement of Atlanteans to Europe and an encounter
with proto-Athenians (10, 2/3). Returning peoples delivering to Europe tales of
vast lands, specifics of the "plain" and "city" regions, and "sinking" lands is
credible; as also is credible that the stories were carried into the Mediterranean,
possibly by peoples who thought of themselves as Atlanteans, or possibly by a
group encountering "Athens" who received the Atlantis tag later by "poets."
What is not easily acceptable is that there was, as the account says, a trans-
oceanic empire.
 
Some of these ideas have a tenuous quality, but the agreement of specifics is
above chance enough to show that Plato used a story with basis in fact to
insert into his moral message. Details point strongly to the island of Newfoundland,
and it is doubtful there is any formation, submerged or not submerged, more
fitting to the account than is the Big Barasway. The Barasway is probably the
Atlantis lake formation.
 
This Atlantis theory, which seems to be for the most part new, and From Europe
may be a long time in "proving," but the evidence now should serve as a lead
for further investigation, remote and on-site, of the Burgeo area. Atlantis buffs
might not appreciate a paleolithic Atlantis, but what the culture here lacks in
spectacle is balanced by its importance.
 
grantroyce@hotmail.com

Marine Archaeology - New Underwater Discoveries - July-December 2007

http://www.morien-institute.org/uwnews2007b.html

Edited by author 08-01-2007 12:51 PM
I was just wondering.

Was there any serious expedition on the cuba undersea discovery to get some study on the pyramid and structures that where surely detected ?

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/en/index.php?o...w&id=940&Itemid=117

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1697038.stm
http://atlantides.free.fr/images/ssmar_sonarcuba.jpg
http://www.sens-de-la-vie.com/Images-dok/H3P_pyramideBimini.jpg

Edited by author 05-04-2007 11:14 AM
Dear Team Atlantis Friends:

Last the sismological studies made in the last 20 years by Spanish, Portuguese, North American, and French specialists in the area of the Gulf of Cadiz, and Straits of Gibraltar, demonstrate that between the 10.245 BC, until year 1577 (tsunami of Lisbon), they have been taken place big tsunamis (some Megatsunamis), associated to earthquakes of great intensity, at the rate of one every 1500 years (maximum every 2000).

The calculations have done it geologists thanks to the finding of typical geologic deposits of the registry of tsunamis. Once again we are not before a mere invention or speculation born of my mind, but before results of very serious and rigorous scientific studies made by scientists of many Universities. The table of the possible registries of tsunamis that you can see in the following Link (in Spanish: http://www.antiquos.com/arqueotour/atlanti...s-plato-spanish.pdf, and English: http://www.antiquos.com/arqueotour/atlanti...s-plato-english.pdf ) demonstrates that great probabilities that exist they have happened at least two great catastrophes sismic-tsunamical in same time to which Plato fixes the date of the war between Atlanteans and Athenians. As you can see the table, geologists S.M. Lebreiro, I.N. Mc Cave, and P. Weaver (1997), the Straits of Gibraltar area of and Gulf of Cadiz think that in approximately in the 1245 BC, one of these great tsunamis could happen, in. I believe thatcould be around the 1330 BC. As it wants that it is, according to same calculation of geologists, could happen another one between the 1500 BC and the 1300 BC. If it is certain that still scientists make lack more proofs, before a enough probability scientific we are elevated at least, because these calculations are sustained in the fossil registry of tsunamis in that area. They are not mere speculations without scientific fundament, all the opposite, have much scientific fundament.

We all know the list of obligatory points that the Conference of Milos the 2005 dictated for majority that should gather any hypothesis on Atlantis that seeks to be considered as a serious intent, worthy of scientific discussion. This original list of 24 points has been revised and corrected by Georgeos Díaz-Montexano in the following way:

1. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have been located where an Insular-Land used to be and where parts of it may still exist.
2. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have had a most distinct geomorphology composed of alternating concentric rings of land and water.
3. The Insular-Land Atlantis should have been located before (in front) the Pillars of Hercules, in the Pelagus Atlantic.
4. The Insular-Land denominated like Atlantis were divided by Poseidôn in ten parts or districts, and one of those ten parts was an extremity that arrived until the part of the Pillars of Hercules, and its denomination was Gadeira.
5. The Insular-Land Atlantis was (in part) from Libya, and (meizôn) so greater (or as powerfull) as Asia (Anatolia and Middle East?).
6. Atlantis must have sheltered a literate population with writing system, with metallurgical and navigational skills and use of chariot-horses.
7. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have been routinely reachable from Athens by sea; and at some time it must have contacts with the Greeks.
8. At the time, the Atlanteans should have been at war with Athenians (Poseidôn against Athena).
9. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have sunk entirely or partly below the water.
10. The Acropolis of Atlantis was destroyed in Cecrops, Erechtheus, Erichthonius and Erysichthon times, before Theseus's times.
11. The Acropolis of Atlantis was 50 stadia from the sea.
12. Atlantis had a high population density, enough to support a large army (10,000 chariots, 1,200 ships, 1,200,000 hoplites)
13. The region of Atlantis involved the sacrifice of bulls.
14. The destruction of Atlantis was accompanied by an great earthquake (seismôn) and a Kataklüsmos: “cleaning by liquid or waters” (tsunami?).
15. After the destruction of Atlantis, the passage of ships was difficult.
16. Elephants were present at least in a part of Atlantis, and ivory was used.
17. Hot and cold springs were present in Atlantis.
18. Atlantis lay on a coastal plain of 3000 stadion of Maxima length, and 2000 stadion from the sea until approximately in the middle of the plain; surrounded by mountains falling into the sea.
19. Atlantis controlled other colonies or states of the period.
20. Some Winds in Atlantis came from the north.
21. The Atlanteans constructed canals in the plain where was the Acropolis.
22. In Atlantis they were constructed “aqueducts over the bridges”.
23. Atlantis were “beneath the sun” (huph' hęliôi), expression that it indicates was - most of the year - in a sunny place.
24. Every 5th and 6th year, they sacrificed bulls.

"Milos Conference Match", reviewed and corrected by Georgeos Díaz-Montexano (2005-2007).

However there are only some few points that are obligatory, the other ones they could be left as secondary. I have been able to reduce to only 10 indispensable or obligatory points. These points are the most exclusive or characteristic in Atlantis, that is to say, those points that cannot be ignored, and that they are not common to all the civilizations, that is to say that cannot be with easiness in any place of the world.

In this reduction of points I have omitted the figures and measures, because the studies of the diverse codexes and MS demonstrate that big contradictions exist. Consequently, the figures of the measures and distances neither the figures of the dates can be considered as sure elements in the scientific discussion.

These are that is to say the 10 key points that are obligatory, that it should complete any theory on Plato's Atlantis, so that it can be considered as a serious and rigorous intent of approach to the enigma of Atlantis.

1. The Atlantis should have been located where an Insular-Land used to be and where parts of it may still exist.
2. The Insular-Land Atlantis should have been located “before the mouth” of the Pillars of Hercules, but in the Pelagus Atlantic, not in the Mediterranean neither in another sea or the ocean.
3. The Insular-Land denominated like Atlantis were divided by Poseidôn in ten parts or districts, and one of those ten parts was an extremity that arrived until one part of the Pillars of Hercules, and its denomination was Gadeira.
4. In Atlantis, in its ground, a native human species arose, that is, indigenous a human species or endemic, that is to say, that the first human beings of Atlantis did not come from any other part of the world but that were born in he himself ground of Atlantis.
5. Atlantis must have sheltered a literate population with writing system, and endemic or indigenous language, with metallurgical and navigational skills, and use of chariot-horses.
6. Elephants were present at least in a part of Atlantis, and ivory was used.
7. The Atlantis Acropolis lay on a rectangular coastal plain, surrounded by mountains falling into the sea.
8. Atlantis were “beneath the sun” (huph' hęliôi), expression that it indicates was - most of the year - in a sunny place.
9. The war between the Atlanteans and Athenians occurred in Cecrops, Erechtheus, Erichthonius and Erysichthon times, before Theseus's epoch, that is, in the times of Mycenaean Greece.
10. The Acropolis of Atlantis should have been reachable from Athens by sea; and at some time it must have contacts with the Greeks.

Any hypothesis or theory that it doesn't respect these obligatory points, simply not even are not entitled to be considered as a serious or scientific hypothesis.

Some considerations on the points 4 and 5.

The study of the languages of old Iberia Nęsos that had writing, as Tartessians, Turdetanians, Iberians, etc., it demonstrates that the old residents from Iberia, before the arrival of the phoenicians, Greek and Roman, they spoke some languages that don't belong, that is to say that are not kindred, of none of the linguistic well-known families; consequently, it is impossible to sustain any hypothesis on the origin of the old residents from Iberia, without before to demonstrate that the civilizations proposed as cradle of Iberia, have the same languages. Conclusion. The proof demonstrates - until the moment - that the old civilizations of Iberia like Tartessians and Iberians are absolutely original, autochthonous, indigenous, endemic, that is to say that they had their origin in the same Iberia Nęsos, from the most remote antiquity, that is to say, from before the human being that lived in Iberia learned how to speak. The languages of Iberia, like it passed with the language of Sumerian, they were born in the same floor of Iberia makes hundred of thousands of years, or makes millions of years, because nobody has been able to demonstrate - so far - that the languages of Iberia derive of other well-known languages.

When one compares the old languages of Iberia with other old languages that neither has well-known family or demonstrated as it is the case of the Sumerian, or of Basque, then the conclusion is that the old languages of Iberia, that is to say, the language of Tartessians, or the language of most of the tribes Iberians, is not Sumerian, neither it is Basque, in spite of so near Basque being geographically.

Plato's texts locate Atlanteans like inhabitants of the lands that are next to Atlantic Pelagus, "before the mouth" of (pro tou stómatos) Hercules' (Gibraltar) Pillars, and next to the region of Gadeira, that is to say, in the environment of the strait of Gibraltar, and the costs of Iberia and Morocco, but always in Atlantic. This same all the authors of the antiquity that spoke of these three geographical points, say and that they spoke of Atlantis. Consequently, it is an unquestionable fact for any person that respects the scientific rigor and the truth. Then, if Atlanteans was inhabiting of the Atlantic costs of Iberia and Morocco, then Atlanteans cannot have been Etruscans, neither Sumerians, neither the same inhabitants of any other place of the Planet.

Plato's Critias affirms that Atlanteans had an autochthonous origin, that is to say, indigenous, endemic, starting from Euęnôr that was the first human being that arose in Atlantis, being born of the own earth, that is to say that didn't come of any part. Plato is informing us that Atlantis overcomes its origins to a human autochthonous, indigenous, endemic population that had its origin in the same floor of Atlantis that didn't come or it descended of any part, and the scientific proof they demonstrate that in Iberia - almost a million years ago - it also arose kind of a hominid autochthonous, indigenous, endemic, that is to say that didn't come of any place, because although one believes could come from África, the true fact is that it is an unique species that has not been found. so far. in any other place of the world. This species has been baptized as "Homo Antecessor", that is to say, the predecessor of the human modern species; and lastly, we have seen as well as in Iberia, the oldest civilizations had an autochthonous, indigenous, endemic language that didn't come from any place of the world.

Critias also tells us that Atlanteans had its own grammar or it notarizes, and logically its own language. As before said that they were natives of a human autochthonous, indigenous, or endemic species, then it is logical to suppose that their language was also autochthonous, indigenous, or endemic, that is to say, born in the same floor, and not derived of any other nation or linguistic family.

Conclusion: Plato's descriptions point to Iberia, at least like a part, or very important extension of old Atlantis Nęsos, and the autochthonous, native, or endemic character of Atlanteans, it is also confirmed by the evidences scientific pickups in Iberia.

Not it exists in any other place of the planet, another Nęsos (island / peninsula) that has been next to Hercules' Pillars, next to a region of Gadeira, and next to a sea Atlantic, and that has also had a human autochthonous, indigenous, or endemic species, that is to say that has not come of another place, and that has also had an autochthonous, indigenous, or endemic language, that is to say, a language that has arisen in same Nęsos, that is to say that has not derived of other languages.

Only Iberia Nęsos gathers all these requirements that are obligatory, because, simply, all these key points or indispensable requirements are all data that are written in Timaeus and in Plato's Critias.

More Info in: http://www.GeorgeosDiazMontexano.com/

http://www.laAtlantida.info/
http://www.AtlantidaPlaton.es/
http://www.laAtlantida.es/
http://www.Antiquos.com/

Kind Regards,
Georgeos Díaz-Montexano
Georgeos[@]antiquos.com

Atlantis is in China...

Wondering which came first the Anunnaki or the Atlanteans! Does anyone know? Below is a vid clip of the Sumerian ie; Anunnaki and some following information regarding this race. I am having trouble putting dates to both these races. Civilization goes back a lot further than scholars are wanting to percieve, like over 400,000 yrs. However, as you dig deeper, civilization is getting older and older the further you dig. In order to find Atlantis we have to dig back further into our past.

This is a slow download but worth it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=87...48163504&q=Annunaki

http://www.1anunnaki.com/1-anunnaki-main.html

This is a little more insight into the Anunnaki - Sumerians.

http://home.comcast.net/~ken-1080/ancient-...ble-comparison.html

http://www.hiddencodes.com/annunaki.htm

Hi Mike and others,

http://www.satellitediscoveries.com/discov...a_sites/nassau.html
 
Just a supposition here....Wondering what the earth would look like after a meator hit and the fall out from that strike would probably leave similar marks on land and under the sea.. don't you think? I should imagine if you were to drill below one of these rings you would probably find foreign content to earth, rather strange how the rings seem to be so fertile, meaning the growth around them seem so abundant. If one was to drop a heap of stones into a batch of flour laid out flat, what the pattoning would actually look like!... Just thinking out loud...Trying to determine if Atlantis was destroyed by a meator strike.

Here is one explaination...via a marine biologists and a text book theory...

What we explained in our 2003 book was: that the first thing that happened is that after we found the circles via air we then went to them on a boat. All of them were comprised of turtle grass and/or sponge. In the middle of each is a coral head, a small circular coral reef. The Bahamanian sponge diver we used as a guide told us there were literally hundreds of these circles there and we examined at at least 10 from the water and saw maybe 50 from the air. He told us how they formed. That night at the inn we were staying I found a Bahamas marine biology textbook. In it was a chapter that discussed the circles as well as explaining how they form. The small coral head in the center attracts small shellfish that move in. They push out sand and debris from the underside of the coral head gradually building a circular band of raised sand. Turtle grass and sponge take root in the band of sand. But the coral head and shellfish soon attract small fish that start swimming around the head searching for food and gradually pushing the sand into a bigger circle. The small fish attract bigger fish that then widen the circle, and so on. Each circle can have literally thousands of fish and they can get as big as 1000-feet in diameter. They are favored fishing spots for obvious reasons. The size of the coral head in the center determines how many shellfish can actually live there, and that determines how many fish can live there, and that will determine the eventual size the circle can reach. Because of the way the fish push the sand out, multiple-ringed circles can form when turtle grass or sponge gain a foothold in them. Sometimes when the bottom around the head isn't flat, a different shape can emerge.

I wish there was a mystery here, but the only mystery I see is why not one of the mystery writers discussing these circles during the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s never took a look at a textbook. It also seems not one of them ever even visited a single circle to examine it nor asked locals. The only mystery is why people want to keep saying they are a mystery. It is solved. Not by us, but it was solved by marine scientists investigating them long ago. Virtually all native fishermen in the Bahamas know about them, what they are, and how they are formed. They seem to think, and rightly so, that we are fools for having such esoteric ideas about them when the explanation is easy to find.

Lots of people don't want any explanation for such things except the one they are hoping to hear. They ignore all evidence no matter how sound it is. This is one big reason why genuine scientists scoff at and avoid alternative researchers. I can't blame them. As we wrote in 2003, I wish what we had found had turned out to be something else, but if any progress is to be made, one has to be honest and ethical in reporting findings. Hopes and preconceived beliefs do funny things to individual's interpretation of facts and observations. Science is supposed to recognize what preconceptions can do and scientific training supposedly teaches how to see what is really there, to deliberately change one's mindset to observe things without bias.

In this "alternative" field of inquiry, I've concluded that about half of those who are interested are capable of being influenced by the evidence--to see what is really there. The other half can't--and won't--be influenced by any evidence. They are blinded by their beliefs. I have come to simply present our findings and just ignore those who insist that there is still a mystery there.

My reply to this:

I am more than interested in the hypothesis on the circles on the land, notwithstand these circles under the ocean, mainly to see if there is some kind of connection there. Seemingly they are part of the same thing in different circumstances perhaps. I would go onto say that they are possibly part of the same meator strike. Your explaination about the attraction of shell fish to these areas was good via the Bahamas Biology text book. Science has been known to be wrong just the same. However, the question is what attracted the coral heads and shellfish to those particular areas to begin thier process? Any preconcieved ideas of discoveries years ago deserve the right to be questioned with todays newer technologies. There is always a mystery until things have been proven with facts.
 
What I find more interesting is along the west coast of Bimini there is a very deep ridge, which looks like a fault line cave-in, wondering if this cave-in was responsible for swallowing portion if not all of Atlantis after the possibility of a meator strike, this would have to be considered if the earth was hollow. Again, I am just thinking out loud here.

regards
Helen

http://www.satellitediscoveries.com/

Hi all, Common sense would dictate that a civillisation over 100,000 years old would be a GLOBAL civillisation! you guys are chasing scraps. Heres some in Crete, no wait I got it, heres some in Cuba! yadda yadda If you put all the little pieces together,you get an ancient Global civillisation.
instead of debating over scraps of rubble, We should be looking at what would destroy a type 1 global civillisation on this planet and how or why?
we should be looking at cyclic disturbances in our ecosystems, and our solar system!Where does the stigma of comets as harbringers of doom originate? Finding atlantis is as important as pepsi vs coke. Learning from atlantis is paramount to our existance!

Hillary and Angel (and others), By Atlantis being in the North Atlantis, do you mean the Newfoundland and Grand Banks area? See: 6-13-6 entry.

i think atlantis is in the northern atlantic ocean to becouse if all contenents where combined at one time then they would still be splitting up at that time plus there is evidence of a second ice age right around the time of atlantis which would prove that it froze then when the ice burgs started to melt it either is still in ice or is under 3000 miles of water becouse of the rapidly meltin ice and global warming we may never find atalntis and bimini road is a hoax becouse that area was once bart of the bahomas so it was made by the first settelers in the bahomas not the atlantians

i think that atlantis is in the norther atalntic ocean i got this from combining some theories

Edited by author 07-03-2006 02:24 AM
Hi Mike, Nice to see you back, hope all is well :)

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Below is to give you some of an idea where Atlanteans fit in over the billions of earth years.

http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/
profiles/atlantis.html#anunnake

http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/profi...antis.html#anunnake

Atlantis (editing in progress)

The First Civilization on Earth

What follows is the most comprehensive history of the DC Universe Atlantis. I have taken information from all existing sources into consideration. In the past, no history has attempted to detail all eras of Atlantis' development. Of course, Peter David took pains to construct the rich Atlantis Chronicles, an excellent account of the final sinking of the continent. And the Arion series gave clues to its early days. But curiously, it is the most important details which have have been consistently neglected by DC writers: (1) where was the continent? and (2) what were the stages of its sinking (it definitely did not sink all at once)? I've come up with reasonable conclusions without having to "invent" things myself…

Edited by author 06-25-2006 12:20 PM
For those of you who aren't bilingual, here's both the English and Spanish translations of Javier's post. I'll leave it up to you to figure out which is which! :-)

Hi there,

Interesting post about possible location in mediterrean area, but "Plato" describes that the Island was beyond Spain where the Azores are, and another thing, I don't believe there's a relationship between an Atlantic civilization and one of a prehispanic nature because at least the Maya experienced their height of power aproximately 1,000 years ago while the Egyptian empire existed 4,000 years ago, and according to the tales of Atlantis’ its height of power falls between 8,000 and 10,000 years ago, although if there had been a melding of civilizations it could explain it. All the same I throw out a direct descendence in these cities.

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Hola,
 
Interesante portón acerca de un posible sitio y hasta en área Mediterráneo, pero “Plato” indica que la Isla se encontraba mas allá de Espańa donde se encuentran las Islas Azores, y otra cosa no creo que haya relación entre una civilizaciónj atlante y una de las prehispánicas debido a que al menos los mayas tuvieron un auge hace 1000 ańos aproximadamente, mientras que los egipcios fue hace casi 4000 ańos, y segun los relatos la temporalidad de la atlántida recae entre 8 000 y 10 000 ańos , aunque hubiera un difusionismo podría explicarlo, sin embargo descarto una descendencia directa en dichos pueblos

R.J. Archer
http://www.nwidi.org/TheMegaBlog/
(P.S. I DON'T speak Spanish - the translation is courtesy of my wife!)

Hi there, interesting port about possible locatión y in mediterrean area, but "Plato" describes that the Island was beyond Spain where the Azores are, y otra cosa no creo que haya relación entre una civilizaciónj atlante y una de las prehispánicas debido a que al menos los mayas tuvieron un auge hace 1000 ańos aproximadamente, mientras que los egipcios fue hace casi 4000 ańos, y segun los relatos la temporalidad de la atlántida recae entre 8 000 y 10 000 ańos , aunque hubiera un difusionismo podría explicarlo, sin embargo descarto una descendencia directa en dichos pueblos

Hi guys!

First off, I think the work you do is amazing, congratulations and keep it up! Although I don't have much background in it I am very interested in archaelogy, history, anthropology, etc. If only I could major in eight things at once, right?

Anyway, the reason I'm posting is, I was reading the backstory about the Yonaguni Monument and I have to point something out:

I'm from the area just to the west of Kennewick, WA, where Kennewick Man was found. Although undoubtedly this is a very important scientific find, there has been a lot of debate about the ownership and history of the skeleton. Native American tribes in the area have laid claim on K.M., claiming that because of his age he must be one of their ancestors and must therefore be buried in accordance with tradition.

  For years no one was allowed to study the skeleton. It was eventually determined by anthropoligists who were given permission by the courts to study K.M. that he was NOT, in fact, an ancestor of the local tribes. His morphology most closely resembled a modern caucasion. This is an astounding fact, considering that current theory states that no caucasions could possibly have been in the area at the time when K.M. died!

Because the skull does display some traits not common to either Native Ameican or caucasoid populations, there has been some speculation that he may be of asian descent. However, his morphology most strongly indicates caucasion genetics so that speculation has been mostly minor. So minor, in fact, that I had not even known of it until I read about it in your Yonaguni section. Hoever, I think it is a bit premature to declare Kennewick Man to be a member of the Jamon, since many of the scientists working on the project are still uncertain.

Cheers from the University of Washington. :-)

     There is a connection between European entry into America (See: "Iberia, Not Siberia" on Team Atlantis) and the Atlantis account, which is generally a glorification of a paleolithic maritime culture located on the most likely route for entry from Europe. The "fertile" plain size fits the ice sheet covering most of Newfoundland in the late Ice Age very well. "... rising sheer out of the sea..." and "... fairest of all plains ..." say glaciation rather than fertility. E.C. Pielou's AFTER THE ICE AGE has maps showing the ice coverage and bank islands agreeable with "...Possible ... to cross from it to the other islands, and from the islands to the whole of the continent over against them ..."
     The ringed lakes and the warm spring say a complex meteorite crater. Just west of Burgeo on the southern Newfoundland coast ("... sheltered from northern winds...") is a site worth checking out, although there probably is no "silver" or "gold" down there. The arc of land with islands if extended would result in a 50 stade circle, a crater rim which was likely the (or a) encircling "wall." "Canal" features can be seen on satellite images. How progressive the society was is debatable, but they did seem to take their map-making seriously.
     The great amount of time in which western Europe had a viable population would increase chances of adventure and misadventure getting people across to America. Entry from the west would probably arrive too late in the Newfoundland and Grand Banks area for the time element to get people to Europe, with stories of sinking lands by 9600BC (which incidentally is a date sometimes used by climatologists to mark the beginning of a sudden traumatic warming). Thanks for the site.

TK421, THE SUPPOSED POWER CRYSTAL THEORY TIES INTO THE WORKS OF DAVID HATCHER CHILDRESS. HE HAS THE WHOLE POWER PLANT THEORY ABOUT THE PYRAMIDS. I MET HIM AT A LECTURE ONCE. HIS DATA IS VERY INTRIGUING. I THOUGHT THE BIMINI RD WAS FOUND IN '68. OH WELL. (HI HELEN, I BEEN OFFLINE FOR A YEAR BUT I'M BACK NOW)

Mike,

why isn't there anyway to stop the spam from this group?



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Mythology aside, there have been a number of recent archeological discoveries in the waters around Cuba that indicate the whole region may have been a thriving, connected "metropolis" before it was submerged about 10,000 years ago. See http://www.NWIDI.org/TheMegaBlog/ for more information.

One of these sites is just off the tip of the Florida Keys and I've suggested that it would be an excellent "project" for Team Atlantis.

Yes Blue Hue....I am afraid they can be wrong sorry...If below is an indication of the way people are thinking, its very possible that a whole heap of MONEY is up for grabs...such greed tsk tsk....This is not the way to prove history by groping and trying to prove that it belongs to any certain country. The Atlantis quest belongs to everyone on this planet because within us all lies the Atlantean genetics.

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http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/14344_atlantis.html

Atlantis might have been the cradle of early Mideastern civilizations too. Colin Wilson believes that scientists will soon obtain sensational information about the flooded country. Specialists plan to photograph the bottom of the sea, where they expect to find ancient buildings. The results of the previous research conducted in the area were classified as secret immediately. This may bring up a question of which country may own the territory of Atlantis with priceless treasures and archaeological findings. Syria and Lebanon have already set forth their claims for a part of the lost continent. Turkey has recently evinced interest too. Naval forces of several states will most likely watch and control the route of the research vessel. The US Navy has reportedly scanned the areas of the seafloor, where the ancient city is presumably situated.
 
 
Pages:

Some archaeology reports...

http://www.zenzibar.com/news/article.asp?id=1994

[b]DEAR SIRS, Recently at MELOS-2005-Atlantis-Conference Hall, Greece, over 55 "Doctors in Oceanography" have Lectured "scientifically" with Book-presentations on their 55 diverse Locations for"Atlantis". Can 55 Oceanographists make the same mistake in Misreading the very title of: PLATO's "Atlantis Saga", by Athenasius Kircher( in: 1666? called: Mundus Subterrenean, or:"ATLANTIS-INSULAe"? YES! as non=Classical Scholars, they have willingly fallen, into the"Textus-Receptus-Trap"For"Atlantis-seekers, because, "Atlantis-Insulae"just does not mean"Islands-in-the-Atlantic", but: "PALACE-HILL-of-the-Kingdom-of-AD". Plato said,"it was surrounded by a HorseShoe-mountain": ASK any Volcanologists where that is:"Found,Only On tectonic-Fault-Lines around"Gulf-of-ADEN",Thus "Atlantis" is:"Port-Ras-ADAN" in the"Land-of-ATHE(=AD.)As Plato said:"It had(partly-) subsided in the Sea(=Pelagos)NOT:"Ocean"!So "Atlantis"can be searched IN the "Caldeira of Crater-ADEN"! Since "Google-Air",cannot see UNDER water this "Scuba-Club" can Survey "Atlantis" there and make a Scoop! I did make a makeshift handwritten Map of this: Aden-Crater-Port and may send it to You as a XLS-File Attachment, but to which or what "Emailto" address shall I send it?
You cannot be copyrightholder of this original-drawing, because it was launched allready on several "Atlantis"websites( e.g.www"Atlan.org )
SINCERELY, from: A. Muster& B. VanBemmelen ( Litterature-researchers.)Delft-Holland. ( muster@wanadoo.nl ) dd. April 25-2006 [/b]

Has anyone read the Stargate Conspiracy?

They have shown a map of the Triangle back in the 70's. That whole Carribian area is littered with disapperences and sinkings not just in the "triangle".

The Bimini Road was an acient seaport. Someone has found anchors of Egyptian and Pheonican.

All I see is some shameless advertisement. Was there an atlantis link we were supposed to follow or was it just spam?


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Lets talk a little more about the Bermuda Triangle.....

Glenn makes a very valid point. Cayce did infact say that in 1966, Atlantis would be discovered. The Bimini Rd was discoverd that year, which would be in the Bermuda Triangle. I recently visited The Edgar Cayce Foundation in VA Beach. If you are into Archaeology, Edgar Cayce, Atlantis, or the Hall of Records, go to this place. I bought about 4 books while I was there.

I would love to see a map of the Bermuda Triangle and see where the largest concentration of disappearances are. It could be that the area with the most disappearances would be right on top of what we would asume to be some kind of "power crystal" or something of curiosity at least.

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Hi, I thank all those at Team Atlantis for doing the diving expeditions of a dream. It is not commonly known in the western countries of the gobal civilization that previously existed prire to our own and to be able to witness their remainants is a tremendous blessing.
In the ancient Vedic texts, that have been preserved in India, the details of many great cities, arcoss the globe, have been described. The inter-relationship of the ancients with their environment and their technologies are far superior to what we now call modern. The details of the rising of the ocean's water are as well described. If one is to look, for example in the Bhagvad Purana, there is the desciption of an elaborate city named Dwarka that became covered by water when the Earth went through the change in yugas (astrological ages), 5,000 years ago. The water has receeded since then and has revieled a giant temple. (There is of course erosion from being submerged for so long but the temple still stands and is again in operation for devotional services). I encourage anyone to look up the city of Dwarka on the net and if you'd like to e-mail me back concerning the Vedic history of Earth or would like some directions to other underwater anomalies I'd gladly respond. reflectiverelease@hotmail.com

Glenn's Theory:
The facts:
1- Edward Cayce, very established pychic. Healed hundreds of seriously injured people while hypnotized. Prophicised manyt things that have already happend, WWII, assasinations, horse races etc. every single one of them has happened so far. Cayce said that in 1966 atlantis would be found. In 1966 the Bininy road formation was discovered in the carribean. Cayce also discribed a 'great crystal' that powered the atlantian city.
2- Bermuda triangle, everyone knows about the mysterious phenomenon assiciated with bermuda triangle

My conclusion:
In the heart of the bermuda triangle there lies burried the great crystal and the remains of Atlantis. I would be more than interested in the results of deep sea exploration in this region.

I BELIVE THAT ATLANTS STILL EGZIST SOMEWERE THERE. I HAVE TWO TEORIES ,THE FIRST IS THAT THEY HAD RICH THEIR FINAL STADIUM OF MENTAL AND FIZICAL CAPEBILITES AND BECOME LIKE TODAY HUMANS WITH THEIR HABITS.BUT FAR FAR MORE BRAIN FROM US THEY MUST USE THEIR BRAIN 100% UNLIKLY LIKE US WE USE ONLY BERALY 10%.THEY CAUSE SOME CORAPTION IN THEIR WORLD SO THEIR ATLANTIS SINK,BUT SOME ONE HAS SERVIVED THEY SPLIT ON TWO LINES THE FIRST ESCAPED IN SPASE AND BECOME UFO .SO COMING VIZIT THEIR HOME LAND AND THE OTHE ONES ARE DEEP IN THE SEA VERY DEEP ON THE SAME BOTOM .

Edited by author 08-28-2005 02:01 PM
Highfine just told yea there a much gone places in water lastime im here,(you know a lass named Guna u kicked folks?)
Thas the lessonis simpel search atlantis is mediterran Plat:You Greek ..just told the story off your city lost in the sea...well next IS THAT THE STATE Atlantis and City Poseidone(A seamansgood not the Oceangood big mistake).
it is not far off an round so postion wen t wes doen zypen 500 seamiles minium,last is the sea is much to deep the 2-2500Meter....hm ther is much junk below and the mud and lankton of the years i seen elsewhere is much over old ruin .....7*

http://www.solarfireflights.de

I just saw this really fascinating show yesterday on the National Geographic Channel, the search for Atlantis of something, and I was great! I definately recommend it, it has a lot of cool information and sites to go explore.

On this site you will find new Satellite discoveries on the ocean bed near Andros and Bimini....

http://www.satellitediscoveries.com/discov...bahamas/baha_2.html

Edited by author 06-07-2005 09:39 AM

http://www.grahamhancock-japan.com/underworld/yonaguni_rocks/

http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html

Interesting site..be sure to read the links:-

http://www.atlan.org/articles/atlantis2/

Hey Brendan could you tell me where i can get more information about these findings off the coast of japan. Thanks

Isn't it wild that 311 miles of underwater stone structures have been found off the coast of Okinawa, Japan!

What really stuns me about this finding is that the first structure was found in 1995 and dismissed as a natural rock formation, as time went on more discoveries were made. Funny how an achaeological finding of this magnitude is hardly mentioned in newspapers, or was it a top story on any news channel. As the great philospher Yoda once said "hiding something, they are".

In my opinion, i believe that this vast underwater city/continent is Lemuria, or part of Lemuria. What i cannot understand about this is that waters around Japan have been charted for decades, and how that missed 311 miles of city structures baffles my mind. There is a theory that states the whereabouts of the continent of Lemuria before it sank, or was covered in an world wide ocean rise. It places the continent about 125 miles SE of Japan, coincidence?

Geologists claim that continents cannot sink in one day (the time put forward by plato) but can our ancestors time keeping be trusted? If God made the world in seven days I believe that a continent can sink in a day, its obvious that the geologists that rubbish these claims have forgotten the theory of cold slab subduction. To those unfamiliar with the theory it is where two plates meet and the denser (cold) plate subsides in to the asthenosphere and therefore melts. I am not saying that this happened in a day but i believe it is a very strong argument for it.

Just one question that i know it's unfair and maybe short sighted, but that i'll ask it anyway: isn't Atlantis simply America?
"bigger than Asia and Lybia put together" (aprox)

Aren't we focused too much on the sea (although important discoverys can and will be made there)? And on digs in Europe and such? Search the American continent, that's what i say! And the remains of mayans and incas, who were probably trading partners or enemys of the atlanteans. (or THEY were part of the atlantean empire, who thanks to the Spanish Empire have nothing to say).
note: nothing against the spanish, it was just the mentality of that time

Some more sites of interest..

Mega site on Atlantis...

http://www.mysteries-megasite.com/main/bigsearch/atlantis-1.html
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Maybe we have all been looking in the wrong places referring to the bottom link...It makes sence to me.
There is a connection between Bolivia, Peru and the Antarctic via a tunnel system.

http://www.geocities.com/webatlantis
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More on the underground tunnels....

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/tunnels.html
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More on the Vostox saga..Antarctic

http://www.s8int.com/water11.html
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What is going on in the Pacific oceans.

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/pacific_anomaps.html

Edited by author 02-18-2005 10:56 AM
Hi!

Have some interesting sites that I would like to share with you.

http://www.flem-ath.com/e-h.htm

http://www.flem-ath.com/awv.htm

http://www.flem-ath.com/aa1.htm

http://www.flem-ath.com/aa13.htm

http://www.flem-ath.com/articles.htm

http://www.greatdreams.com/himalayan/skull3.html

Hopes they all work...:D

Love and Peace

Helen

Edited by author 02-06-2005 09:03 AM
Hi..

An update here...

http://www.mysterious-america.net/natg'satlantisdo.html

I would like to invite anyone interested in alternative archaeology to visit the site of our non-profit organization Alternative Archaeology Inc., located at www.alternativearchaeology.org

The website is still a work in progress, but please register to join in on the discussion if it suits your interest. We are planning on hosting an academic debate, limited to scientists, academics, and authors concerning the Sphinx weathering and its implications. All other forums are open to all who wish to participate

Hope to see you there!

Rachel Ryclef
Public Relations
Alternative Archaeology Inc.

Hi Helen,
since you're sharing sites that remove all doubts about humanity,,,,,,,,,
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/waveindex.htm
i don't recall if i gave you this one b 4.
grab your mug and comfy chair. theres only about 2000 pages of material to sort through.hehe

Hi...

This is about as close to the trueth as you will get...Well worth the long read. Almost like the revelation of the "Hall of Records" telling us about where and how we have derived and about Lumeria/Atlantis/Mu/Venus/many more planetary connections in ancient times.

This site will put all your doubts about our existence into a proper context for all to understand....if they know thier history.

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/leumurian1.html

Love and Peace

Helen

Hi,

Some interesting photo's of whats under the ocean near Cuba, seems to be some interesting things going on there at the moment.

I noticed that these structures near Cuba are so similiar to those at the Yonaguni site near Japan....

The dwellers of these buildings must have had the divine ability to walk through walls! There are no doors of window openings.

http://geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/2583/cubathumbs.htm

Love and Peace
Helen

Hi Mike,

I have here some more interesting data..fingers crossed that the urls open.

http://www.crystalinks.com/poleshifts.html

http://www.lost-civillizations.net/antlantis.html

http://www.habtheory.com/1/hab1.php

As you know I have always been interested in the fact that a theory of mine is that Atlantis is the Antarctic.

Lets suppose the earth tilted and Atlantis ie; Antarctic island was up around the equator or there abouts at the time...the duration of its existence [unknown]. However, due to cataclysmic events that took place caused the island to go back to the magnetic axis.

I have come across some very ancient maps of the antarctic..it amazes me the similiarity compared to other ancient maps of Atlantis.

Everything seems to be hush! hush! with the Antarctic at the moment..since NASA has moved in...by treaty the USA has no right being there..wonders why. I understand its something to do with the surges coming from space effecting thier satillites. Wonders who and what is doing this, give you room for thought. When you look at the drop in the tetonic in the indian ocean causing tsunami...thinks the Antarctic has quiet a bit to do with this...please refer back to my notes on this subject on this site.

This following site relates to Atlantis being in the Indian/Pacific oceans..this sure does (include Antarctic) at the time of the earth shifts. Whoever did this site sure has done thier homework.

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/atlantis...ating-evidence.html

Below is a review on Charles Hapgood ie; reference to ancient maps. Smiles.. draw your own conclusions on my theory.

Love and Peace

Helen

March 31, 2001
Reviewer: Eric Vertommen (Brussels Belgium) - See all my reviews
Charles Hapgood has made an excellent job to point out some strange features on Ancient maps. Comparing a set of maps made from Ptolemea (166 AD) to the Middle Ages and the first global maps made by Piri Re'is (A Ottoman admiral), Hadji Ahmed, Oronteaus Finaeus and Mercator, all editing their maps between 1513 and 1560, he (and the reader) notice that Antarctic continent figures almost accuratly on all of them.
Giving the example of a Chinese map from the 12th century accuratly depicting the rivers system of the Chinese Empire, he comes to the conclusion that all those people have used copies of ancient maps probably drawn before the Ice Age by an ancient civilisation.

Despite the research work, there are some inaccuracies. Talking about Mercator's map, he refers to the Greenwich Meridian. Mercator was living in Antwerp, a city that commanded 40% of Western trade between 1501 and 1557. It was Brussels's harbour, capital of a global empire headed by Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, which covered 1/4 of Europe, America and outposts in Northern Africa. There are no reasons whatsoever for Mercator to use the meridian of a secondary rate kingdom of the time, England. Plantin Publishing House from Antwerp annual turnover was equal to one third of England's budget. And England was considered an economical dependency of Flanders: Paxton writes in 1480 that no one could find a managerial job on an English estate if he could not speak Flemish. Furthermore dispute between Greenwich and Paris Meridian was not be settled until recently (18-19th century). Antarctica emerges on the maps in the 16th century during the period of Great Discoveries but never figures before on maps drawn by Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Chinese, Indians, civilisations which have written records dating back to the 4th, 3rd and 2nd millennium BC ? Seen the importance of maps for seafaring people like Phoenicians, Carthaginians, Greeks or Romans accurate maps must have been almost magic for them and they would certainly talk about the wonders of those documents, even attribute heavenly origins to them. No ancient world story talks about such items.

Renaissance was born by the careful study of Bibles to recover the original text by removing all addition made by copists during the Middle Ages. They made 'genealogy trees' of bible copies in order to recover the original texts. They knew the method. So they would have documented the path used to rebuild the maps based on copies of more ancient maps. But nowhere is such process documented and nowhere are such ancient maps found: Venice, Constantinople, Lisboa, Sevilla nor Antwerp have records of similar activities.

What is puzzling also is to see Antartica on all those maps, but never Australia. Should Atlantis have been Antarctica, why should people from Atlantis invade Europe, America, Asia and Africa and never set foot in Australia which was much closer than Europe or Asia.

The theory that the crust moved thousand miles is not convincing either. Hapgood wrote his book a few years before the tectonic plate theory was published (early seventies). Since Colombus discovered America, both continents (Europe and America) moved the distance of a soccer field. One soccer field (110 yards) every half-millennium makes a quick move from Antarctica to the South Pole impossible indeed.

The Sun swicthed magnetic poles on February 15th, 2001. Did you notice something ? Probably no. It happens every 11,5 years and we have never felt bad about it. So it cannot explain dramatic changes on Earth either.

Another fact Hapgood does not talk about is that Columbus was looking for a shortcut to India. When he landed, he baptized the place India. In Sevilla, the organisation in charge of transoceanic shipments was called Casa de Indias. For centuries, Europeans talked about the Indies, separated in West Indies (Carribbean) and East Indies (Asia). When a map shows Cipangu, it was supposed to be Japan as related by Marco Polo and not Cuba. It is only gradually Europeans realized they had discovered another continent they named America after Amerigo Vespucci, an italian explorer.

Question remains: Between 1484 and 1509, did somebody go around the South Pole ? And if not, how could maps have physically survived centuries or millennia to reemerge at that time only in Flanders, Italy and Constantinople. And why does it show Antarctica only and never Australia ?

Hi Desiree,

It's definately my favorite topic too. I think it's an absolute necessity to answer the question of whether it existed and if so what form did it took. Just answering the 900 years vs 9000 years would be enough to force us to re-evaluate our current models should the 9000 years version prove accurate. (I'm refering to the translation issue in plato's recount of the story.)

A couple of sites I find to be informative are www.atlan.org and www.morien-institute.org

Charles De Vaul
www.ruinsofatlantis.com

Edited by author 01-11-2005 01:46 AM
Hi!
I bet your wondering, who is this strange person writing to us?!
Well I'm Desiree Charles and I am a Native from Saskatchewan Canada (aboot hehe I liked that), but currently living in Kahnawake Quebec.
Here I am today with thoughts, questions, theories..and more thoughts of the wonders of Atlantis. I was browsing the other evening...(3am winks) and stumbled arcoss this website, and I am greatful I did, and I thought to myself "Now that is what I want". I want to be on the Team Atlantis, or in that sorta of area as it is.
For a good portion of the recent years I've become fasinated with Atlantis the lost continent, the lost empire and the where abouts of it. It was only up until now I started doing research on Atlantis. Both the Anthropology and Archaeology aspects of Atlantis interested me. What was Atlantis like? How where the people? How did they live? Most importantly...Where was atlantis?
I am very excited in finding out more about this wonderous place and the past it currently holds within. Hopefully within the next so many years of school ahead of me...I will become an archaeologist...underwater one for that matter(chuckles)
I also just wanted to mention that I love the site very much and I've enjoyed everything I've seen and read so far.

:-) Time for me to head off and enjoy the site once again.

Desiree Charles
Canada

HI HELEN, I BEEN AROUND. YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONE HERE NOT STUCK IN THE LOCATOR FETISH. GLAD 2C YOU LIKED THE CREATOR MAP. URAL I BELIEVE IS PART OF THE UKRAINE. THE WHOLE POINT ABOUT THE PIERS MAP IS THAT IT DESCRIBES ANTARTICA WITHOUT ICE. ALLEGEDLY IT WAS COPIED FROM OTHER ANCIENT MAPS. OK NOW ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY EXIST. THEIR MAKER IS IRREALAVENT. THEIR MERE EXISTANCE PROOVES THAT THINGS GO BACK FAR BEYOND SUMARIA.
JUST IMAGINE CENTURIES FROM NOW, PEOPLE TRYIN TO FIND THE GREAT LOST CITY OF "AMERICA". THEY WILL FIND BITS AND PIECES OF CULTURE ALL OVER THE WORLD. HMMMM WONDER WHERE IT IS? THERES NO WAY WONDERING NOMADS ON CAMELS COULD HAVE MADE THOSE ANCIENT "SKYSCRAPERS". WHAT AN INTRIGUING MYSTERY.........

Edited by author 01-07-2005 08:52 PM
 What an exciting discovery, that Stone Slab Map...wonders who made it so many thousands of years ago. It would be interesting to see if they ever work out who the makers were..and what the language is. Where abouts is Ural?

Yes ive seen the Piers Map very hard to see its not real clear, would need to see a larger example of it. Examples of this map are always so small.

Sorry about the links...dont know whats happening there, seems your quickfind server seems to overtake the finding process. Maybe if you type them into your address bar they may work.

Have some more exciting underwater discoveries would like to share with you...lets hope they open..will give up if they dont.

http://www.s8int.com/water3.html

http://www.s8int.com/water4.html

http://www.s8int.com/water5.html

Here is a little bit about Ancient America..

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/01/04/norte.chico/index.html

Nice to see you back Mike..its been awhile huh?

Love and Peace

Helen

OOPS, WRONG LINK. OKAY FOLKS LETS TRY AGAIN
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/04/30/28149.html
WELL THATS THE RIGHT ONE. HOPE IT WERKS

HERES THE PRAVDA ARTICLE:http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/landing/lan...flict&mature=accept

HI HELEN, NONE OF YOUR LINKS SEEM TO WORK.
I WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE MAP OF THE CREATOR, SINCE YOUR POINTING OUT ANCIENT MAPS. BY COMPARISON, 30MILIENIA IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PIRI REIS MAP? (REMEMBER IM A LOUSY SPELLER)

I am sorry those Crystalinks would not open when I confirmed them.

Here is another site on Lumeria...the map is 30,000 years old.

http://www.thule.org/lumeria.html

L & P
Helen

Happy Hogmanay...aye..yes I have scottish background- please dont hold it against me...grin
However, very much an Aussie..

I have been reading some information that is stating that Lumeria came before Atlantis..hmmm interesting hypothisis...Here is some sites would like to share with you.

http://www.crystalinks.com/lumeria.html

http://www.cyrstalinks.com/ancient.html

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/photonbelt.html

Here are some morbid aspects of what maybe ahead of us.

http://www.thule.org/plan.html

http://www.wolflodge.org/prophecy/endofdays/end-of-days.htm

Love and Peace
Helen

HEY ALL, HAPPY NEW NOUMENAL XTIAN BIBLE BANGIN CALENDER YEAR IF YOU FALL FOR SUCH PROPAGANDA THAT IS. I DO SEE ANYONE FINDING "ATLANTIS" UNTIL THEY GET OVER THIS LOCATOR FETISH. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME HOW ALL THOSE PLACES AROUND THE GLOBE CAN HAVE TIES TO ATLANTIS, IN LEGEND OR DATA. AND EVERYONE GOES AROUND "IT'S HERE"; "NO, IT'S HERE!"; "NO, WAIT, HERE IT IS!" SOMEBODY ISN'T SEEING THE BIGGER PICTURE.

atlantis is santorinini yonaguna are the ancestors
they both suffered catastrophies one was from the antedeluvian world and there demise was the polar ice caps melting and the others demise was a volcano however if you want the answers to all the megaliths temples big and small
it lies in a florida megalith built in the 1920's by an eccentric millionare from latvia you find the answer to this riddle you will find the answers to everything.

p.s down with the masons and were running out of time!!!!!!
yours truly eli borgi

Hello, i'm really interest about the Yonaguni Monument but there is no web site in french. So I decided too make one. I translate in french all the best articles from Prof. Kimura, Dr. Schoch, Mr. Hancock, Mr. Aratake, ... And I put all the pictures I had find around the net. I hope that team atlantis will not desagree with that.
Here is my french web site about Yonaguni Monument :
http://www.yonaguni.be.tf or http://occa.membres.jexiste.org/Yonaguni/index2.htm

Hi Mike and All,

I am a writer in Tokyo. During 2001 -2003, a private group named "Kitombo" investigated Yonaguni Island several times. Kitombo was headed by Shun Daichi, journalist and dedicated translator of Graham Hancock. Also in 2003, another private group "NK" investigated the island. I participated these several times and summarized the information received through these activities on the web below.
http://www.grahamhancock-japan.com/underworld/yonaguni_rocks/

Since these rocks are rather new, further checks by the specialists such as archeologists and geologists are necessary, but I would hope it adds new information on your research works.

help,

Hi!

Came across this extremely comprehensive site on the subject of Atlantis, and would like to share it with you.

http://www.skyspy.tv/atlant2.html

Have not heard from the team lately, do hope all is well.

Love and peace

Helen

Hi....Some more on Yonaguni:-

http://www.morien-institute.org/yonaguni.html

L & P
Helen

fining Atlantis is not so dificult,but when you think its like in egyt a nice trip with esey to 30 metter srait standing spinx or those are wrong.Its nothing more then a lagre hill like Pompeye but there is the sand of a year over it it is in the darkness and not a prity thing for reseachwork you need a large Gas and oi explorer or an.
A unpaiabel project .An here to pomp the sand at all he will come back soom or he have to be brought in a cargo vessel.So when some ever try to calucate the age of that overlage Castel it was nothing else then that it must be 15-20 000 b.v.crist as minest his altiude is 150meter by a raius of 300.constuket py poiabel treases wwhat the cense of that was is not given to say.the coplet constuktion is closed to see ,like it was a complet iland with no habor to arive mabe tat was lower at the hies point thats the only thing clear to see are 21 of a strong entry soules in the mountain,they have a delay of c.a. 8°to ther self .

Edited by author 11-09-2004 02:48 AM
It is very interesting when you compare the two lots of structures, amazing how they do have similiarities.

Shame how the pictures did not copy for you to see to compare, you maybe able to view them at this below site:-

http://www.ancientarchaeology.org


YONAGUNI AND PERU

The very first moments after the discovery of the Yonaguni monument there may have been some doubt about its artificiality, due to its large scale. However, anybody interested in archaeology must have realized soon that there are similar enormous structures at other places in the world, the best known being that in Egypt. However, the most relevant are the ones from South America, specifically Peru, because they have a considerable likeness to the Yonaguni finds, as the following comparison of images will show (in each case: Yonaguni left, Peru right)

The comparison seems to show considerable stylistic similarities between the architecture of the Yonaguni and (pre-) Inca monuments. First of all there is the similarity in overall lay-out of the two top pictures. Secondly, there is the basic rectangular structure, heightened the use of some non-straight angles, in all four pictures. Note how in all cases the regularity enforced by rectangular features seems to have been intertwined with enforced irregularity within these patterns: when there is something like a staircase, almost no step is the same as any other.

The second common feature is the way rounded structures are used in the rare case they used at all. In the Yonaguni case these are the two holes and the round boulder. In the Inca case there is a similar rare set of holes at Quenko, see below:

�Ş Both pictures of the same item �«
  
 See the top right plateau, click on the picture for an enlargement

However, where the holes in the Yonaguni monument are universally described as functional, to be filled by posts or something like that, the Quenko holes are designated as eyes. With the comparison at hand, and looking at the structure of the Yonaguni monument as a whole, a symbolic function for its holes seems more likely. Their designation as eyes would probably be more fitting. The bottom Yonaguni picture seems to point to a possible interpretation of the whole feature as that of the head of a bird of prey.

Another common property found at both places, and one that is more or less characteric of both civilizations, is the use of an intricate mix of natural and artificial features, which makes it difficult to keep the two kinds apart; a simple example is given below:

Finally, the method of sculpting more or less "hiddden" images known from Marcahuasi, and here shown to also present elsewhere in Peru, can also been seen in Yonaguni, see below

Probably electronically sharpened, hence the unusual clarity of the image.
  
 Image on the mountain at Ollantaytam

"Totem" at South Shrine.
  
 Statue from Tiahuanacu.

Face at Tachigami.
 
Face ("Viracocha") at Ollantaytambo.

Snake at Yonaguni.
  
Snake at Moray.
 
For more examples from Peru, see the Marcahuasi gallery, and from Yonaguni, see the Yonaguni sculptures gallery.

Though the Yonaguni case is as yet not as certain as in Peru due to the quality and the small number of available pictures, it can be concluded that while there are stylistic differences, there are also considerable stylistic parallels, and a great similarity in method.

All in all one can conclude that the stylistic similarities between the monuments at Yonagunu and those in Peru are considerably greater than those between successive European art styles, say Rococo and Biedermeier. So there are reasonable grounds to claim a connection between these cultures, though this connection is not a certainty.

If one wants to follow the line of investigation of this site and hasn't yet visited the Peru collection, go to the Peru Constructions gallery, and follow on from there. If one has, go to the Connections page, that investigates the link of the Yonaguni and Peru sites with other sites from all over the world, including Andros and Bimini (contains many pictures and is slow to load by telephone).

Before it sank. There were pilars all over. Most places you could see the stars at night, even in a building. Water ran through a lot of it, rivers that came from the ocean and ran back into the ocean. Grass. It has trees and flowers. There are pools or water on the land. Small mountains. THe beaches are like shite sand. Buildings are mainly toward the center of the land, walls around most of it. THe buildings...doorways are more of archways with viens growing on them. The shape of the buildings differ, from oval type to just walls around an area with an open roof. The building in the very center is where the origianl builders lived, and there family. There are four archways, one on every side, to enter through. AS you walk up to it the archways have a tree on either side of it, flowers growing and viens wrapping around it, and white silk drapes flowing in the wind. You enter and there is a garden wrapping around the home with fresh fruits and vegitables and flowers and trees, orcherds. There was a place on the land that was like stonehedge. There transports, from one place to another, from one world to another. They are on lay lines, a center of energy. There is a record of all past civilitions on Atlantis, its a hall of records. There is aslo one in the Spynx's right paw. You just have to know how to open it.

The builders and there family stayed true to the original blood lines and were considered roylaty. They had gaurds around there home and with them most of the time. They didn't use guns or things like that. The gaurds carried swords and knives on them, and were trained for many years to use there mind and telekanises...it was considered more honorable to fight in close proximity. The builders were part of something called the Federation, and all had a tattoo on there right arm. All the people of Atlantis were part of it and received that tattoo.

The prince, Kelshowro, is here on earth now. From what I can tell he has no memory of his past life, atleast not yet.

The sinking. It was a choice made by the builders because they saw something coming that needed to come. They saw that the world was going towards a time of war and disaster. They did it to keep Atlantis safe.

The builders. How tall...in natural form about 5 ft to 6 ft tall on average...in human form, they ranged any where from 4 ft to 5'9" normally. Advanced: physically, they were just as vulnerable as anyone else to injury (but both technology and spirituality aloud them to heal amazingly fast). Mentally, they could move things with there mind and were able to use telepathy. Technologically, it would seem that there simple things worked better then things today...they used lasors to heal wounds and to tattoo for example.

Africa: the flip of the axis, it unbalanced things a lot. It changed the look of our entire planet in such a small amount of time. Have you ever looked at a world map and seen how everything seems to fit together perfectly? Well, that is because it did at one time.

Religion: I would say more on the lines of spirituality. They did believe as the old religion shows in druidism. They believed in magic, in both a god and a goddess, in the spirits of the dead and being able to talk with them. The humans had some beliefs of how everything was before the builders came, but they opened up the humans eyes more clearly. They believed in love strongest. They believed if you killed something you were to use every part of it and thank it for giving its life. Mainly ate vegitables and fruits. But if even by accident you killed a living thing, you thanked it. If you killed another person, which hardly ever happened, I cant remember it happening more then 2 or 3 times...you honored the other person and apologized for what happened and told them that you would see them in the after life. Buriel, no one was burried. THey were burned. THey were put in lovely clothes, with symbols on the clothing blessing them and honoring there life, wood was gathered for them to lay on, and a bombfire was set when everyone was gathered, and after they gave thanks to the life which had passed they would spend the night celebrating that persons life with food and drink under the stars. The stars were home, it is where they came from and where they will return to one day.

There is a place in Florida, where a man built amazing things on his property but he never used machinery. He was in touch with his inner self. These magicians you see now days, David Blane & David Cooperfield to name a couple are in touch with a power inside themself that not many people know exist any more.

Atlanteans understood that everything was made of atoms and cells, themselves and things that seemed solid. Atoms can be separeted, they can be parted...take a piece of wood and cut it, your separating atoms to cut that wood. Your body is made of atoms as well, get a cut, those atoms separete. So, why can you not stick your hand in a wall or through a piece of wood...all your doing in separating atoms and cells. It is possible, but teachings now days say that you cant do that, when actually you can.

There are things that were known then, that most have no clue about today. All of which I am willing to share, but I think this is enough for now.

Can you describe the site as it was before it sank?

What caused the sinking?

Can you describe the builders? how tall? How advanced physically, mentally, technologically?

What caused africa to move away from north and south america?

Did they have a religion? The builders and the humans? Can you describe it?

That's for starters. You don't have to prove reincarnation to me, I already know who I was in a few lives, but I really would like to hear everything you can remember.

Thank you for sharing,

Chuck

I can remember a lot actually. I guess we cuold start with whatever you wanted to know.

A few things to start with... When we taught are children to swim we normally took them to the beach and just put them in the water. Dolhpins were some of our best friends, then took care of the children, taught them to swim for the most part you could say. The poeple of Atlantis were dark skinned (not black, but just really tan) and they had really light colored hair (almost pure white); they lived for many more years then people live now. I can still close my eyes and picture exactly what it looked like...the marble type walls and the writting on them, the silk drapes, the warm air. And the smell of vanilla, the thing I remember most...it didn't grow like it grows now, it was a tree with fruit on it, the sweetest thing you would ever taste. To this day its one of the only things that can calm me. Survivers of Atlantis decided to stay when they knew it was going to sink, they could have went, but there love for the human race was more then could be controlled. The builders of Atlantis came from another place, they taught humans and they fell in love with them...that's why they choose to stay when it was going down. Some went to other continents, some just stayed there and held each other in there arms. The builders had children with humans, the ones who fled to other continents kept the blood line in them, and there children, and there childrens children, but it slowly disapeared along with the peace and tranquility that was in there line.
The blood line and the tranquility in it can still be found today, mainly in the children being born into the world. Some refer to them as Indigo children. There smart, some remember, and some get sucked into the world as it is today. If you ask a child who can talk (either just starting or while there still young) who they were before, they'll tell you or find someway to show you. I once spoke to a child that I could feel was from Atlantis in the language and the child answered me.
Its not forgotten, its just lost for the time being. The stories that were told in the writtings on the wall were of how it would be forgotten and then remembered and the peace would be restored.
How did I get the coordinants I did? I used the signs. Before a disaster happened the spynx looked directly at Atlantis, and the equater crossed it. Yes, Afirca was located near South and North America and did touch at one time. And South (near the eqauter) as you now know it would have been north, the equater was on the other side. The axis flipped and everything was changed.

Another thing that might interest you... There are pyramids in the Bradshaw mountains in Arizona. And in the Grand Canyon there is said to be the Spynx's face in a cliff wall. I saw pictures when I was in 6th grade, I can't remember who showed the class but I remember the photos.

Is there anything else I can answer for you?

That's not really necessary but it would be very interesting. I'd love to hear all the details you can remember.

Chuck

Heychuck@tmail.com

I used to live there, in a past life.
Semi-dia, it means love will lead us. Its Atlantean and I can speak and write it fluently if you need proof.

45 lat by 45 long seems to be the southern tip of Russia. I went to 45 lat by -45 long which turned out to be between New foundland and the Azores. There does appear to be something there. Can you tell me more about how you came across this site or share any additional
information?

Charles De Vaul

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 1:15 am, QuickTopic daily digest wrote:
Charles De Vaul
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45 degrees lattitude by 45 degrees longitude. dive deep, subs or whatever you need. you'll find atlantis.

Hi Dead Deep Sea Detective:

Please peruse the Research/Articles page and you’ll discover that the content is quite innocuous. However, let me say that those involved with Team Atlantis (I am not alone in this endeavor, but in fact represent the more conservative perspective) have found that it is always a good idea to be open-minded. Many wild ideas of the past become the realities of tomorrow (don’t forget the story of Milankovitch). I always liked the saying: “Paradigms change one funeral at a time.”
 
Yes, I am in RPA (Registry of Professional Archaeologists), as well as a member of numerous other professional organizations and affiliations. In fact, I just returned from delivering a paper in St. Louis last week at SEAC.

The term “pseudoarchaeology” is vague. Please be specific about the subject that you believe is questionable and I will be happy to address the issue. A respectable debate is warranted. I look forward to further correspondence. Thanks!

MA

I'm curious, What are you refering to? What is RPA?

Charles

Edited by author 10-20-2004 03:23 PM
So what *is* you guys' interest in pseudoarchaeology, anyway? We would have expected no less of you, Mike, but it's still disappointing. I mean, you're in RPA, for Christ's sake.

Hi!

Have found some interesting updates on satellite topography of the undersea patterns that have been found, in the Cuban, Yucatan regions. Hope this can be of some help.

http://www.satellitediscoveries.com/discov...erns/pattern_2.html

Love and Peace
Helen

Hi!

Here is a couple of sites I would like to share with you...The first one shows Mike and "TEAM ATLANTIS" at work in the South China Sea - thier slides are showing there - on the "Yongauni Ruin". [You will have to click around to find them].

http://www.ancientarchaeology.org/index.html

Here is some interesting information about the "Earth Crust Displacement" and "Myths". Found this to be most interesting.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6396/lightfall053.htm

Love and peace
Helen...
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Hi Charles,

My email is: [oz_lady142@yahoo.com] this is my "Halls of Atlantis" group email addy.

It maybe worth your while to join this group, it gives out quiet a bit of valuable information and current updates regarding Atlantis for researchers.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Halls-of-Atlantis

Look forward to hearing from you.

Helen

Helen,

Do you have a public email address?

Chuck


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Hi!

Have come across an interesting revelation of John F. Winston, on the "HALL OF RECORDS", which gives information to our ancient past.

What I find rather astouding, is the possibility of this being "real" information. If not, then where has he aquired the knowledge to write what he has here.

http://www.pakhomov.com/winston.htm

Love and Peace

Helen

Hi!

Come across this interesting site, about Ancient Pyramid Texts that are in relation to Atlantis.

http://www.pyramidtexts.com

Love and Peace
Helen

i saw on a tv show that there was an atlantis outpost somewere in antartica

Edited by author 06-30-2004 04:33 AM
Hi!

I noticed from my previous posting that those sites did not work, so maybe if I give you the ones that do work in conjunction with the same topics that were disgussed. You will have to find the topic in in relation to the topics in the Indexes. Sorry for this hic cup.

http://www.grahamhancock.com

http://www.huttoncommentaries.com

http://www.thehollowearthinsider.com

http://www.lantis.tv/amp/releases/arrival.html

There is a buzz at the moment, about the "Sacred Geometry" and the "Holy Sacred Numbers", in conjunction to the locations of sacred ancient cities and Temples.

http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/sacred_geometry.html

Love and peace

Helen

Edited by author 06-30-2004 03:58 AM
Hi!

Some more sites of interest:-

"Ancient Maps"

http://www.henry-davis.com/MAPS/EMwebpages/EML.html

Aerial shots of the "Earth via Satilite".

http://hum.amu.edu.pl/~zbzw/glob/glob1.htm

This is a site on the updates from the "Dead Sea exploration" in conjunction with the Great Flood.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html

Love and peace

Helen

Hi! Mike...

hi helen, anonymous: hey man, good connection to the flooding. ever read velekofski(yes im a sh___ speller)?
that would put it at around 70000 years ago, or around (i think) the second cataclysm of atlantis. or just think about all the debris from a planet exploding between mars and jupitor. that is in the same time frame, about 65000 years ago.

Hi!

Some more links here to Atlantis information.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/intro.php

http://www.100mmegsfree4.com/farshores/jjdevol.htm

http://www.dataworks.com/sightings/mysteriousplaces.htm

http://www.thehollowearthinside.com/news/wmview.Ph?ArtlD=8

http://www.atlantisquest.com

http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/other/At...nce_of_atlantis.htm

Just hope these sites will work for you researchers...there is a lot going on about the Ancient Subtereanian tunnels at the moment, will report back later on this subject.

Love and Peace

would you guys check on this site, and see if it has some sense to it, if his theories can be accepted.

www.atlan.org

Edited by author 06-10-2004 02:19 PM
The atlantean theory is truth mixed with myth , in all the cultures around the world there is an acount of a flood .
Just imagine, that the world was atlantis, it was flooded, if you follow these cultures, youll see that it is real.
believe me i've studied this stuff , icould even maybe show you some proof.

Edited by author 06-02-2004 05:11 AM
Hi!

Here is some interesting information and hypothisis.

http://www.habtheory.com/100.htm

Some more on Antarctic anomalies.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/antarctica.htm

Wonders what will happend when the poles do melt, and what effects it will have on the earth, the "Hab theory" talks about when the poles get overweighed with ice, the earth suffers tilt, some land masses disappear and others emerge.

Here is another interesting aspect that I have heard of before, and have just came across this site would like to share with you, could have something to do with the warming at the Antarctic. Jan has done quiet a bit of research on this aspect regarding the possibility of the earth being hollow.

Some of the satalite pics taken over the Bimini area tells me there could be deep caverns there that could possibly lead into the depths of the earth, who knows!

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/holearth.html

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/janhol.html

The ply at the moment is to find a lead to the "Hall Of Records", in efforts to establish Atlantis' whereabouts. These Crystal Skulls are interesting, have known about them for years, they tell us that they are a storage of knowledge from our ancient past, and just recently, an excavation has been taking place 120 nth Guetamala region, this is where the Major Blue Skull is supposedly to have been discovered, but ironically it has been taken away and hidden in the jungles somewhere...geesh makes you mad dont it?

http://www.crystalinks.com/crystalskulls.html

http://www.greatdreams.com/himalayas/max.html

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/cschron4.html

For you Loquita..smile

http://www.greatdreams.com/nibiru.htm


Helen

Nice to see you back Mike...

Hi, Im new to the board but I am glad i found this site. Reciently, I have been looking at some things especially with different cultures and such and it has answered a lot of question. I am not a UFO Fanatic or a Religious freak, But I have been taking a close look at them both. First all I believe the technology came from Alien Contact. And before you go OH GOD NOT ANOTHER ONE here me out. (Bene ha elohim) in the Hebrew translates in english (sons of god.) In the books of GENISIS and JOB The bible tells you that "And it came to pass, when men began to MULTIPLY on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they TOOK them wives of all which they chose". The I ching Classics of Changes also tells a Tail of this. Where non Humans came down and took wives and th ese couples had OFFSPRING. Along with the I Ching Confusious brang clarity to the I ching. His teachings are in the Mawangdui Texts a manuscript found burried in a two thousand year old tomb in 1973.

In each of these Documentation they describe how the technology got to this earth. In the bible it says that two hundred came down to earth. In the I ching it discribes how The firey dragon came down in trying to escape from being hunted.

This is all before the time of noah's ark. Before the world became flooded on purpose to get rid of the offspring. The offspring the bible called them nephillim. The bible says "There were NEPHILLIM in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown".

The I ching and The bible both explains how The Chariots of fire, Dragons, or Aliens came down and tried to wow the people with their technology. They got into favor by improving people's lives with technology. They also used the technology to become rulers over the people. The women they "Took as wives" Both the bible and I ching And The Mawangdui doctrines tell how they Tought the women some of the technology, alchemy, and rituals and they both passed it down to their nephillim (offspring). And this is how the technology got here.

It gets better. The reason why everything is underwater is because of the Offspring. Everybody hated them. First of all they were Mutants most of them were GIANTS 16 feet men, 30 feet men even one talked about a 300 foot giant. Some of them were truly monsters, Hairy fangy monters. They were also conceited cause they thought they had it made with the technology and the strength of their mutated bodies. In the I ching they refer to their behavior as Humble "auspacious" and Conciete "inauspaciousness". In the bible it tells you That God flooded the earth because of nephilliem.

This all makes sense when It comes to atlantis, because at the same time all over the world you see evidence of the same Archeticture, and rituals. Yet these people did not travel to have influence over each other's culture. The Greeks and their Demi- gods and Wonders of the world. The Nordics and thir Valhala and demigod like thor,. The Giant Amazon Women, David and Galioth, The Gods of the Egyptians, and not to mention The Huge Evidence they left behind Pyrimids, Huge Rocks being moved, Huge stones, so big crains can't move them alone but somehow they became a structure. This is the answer. HYBRIDS Between Those of the HEAVENS and women from earth

here is a good site http://www25.brinkster.com/lowestroom/watchers/fallen.html

it breaks down the meanings of some of the text in the bible using translations between the king james version and other versions including the original hebrew.


also a good book to read is I CHING the classic of changes by Edward L. Shaughnessy. It has the english translation of the I ching and the english translation of the mawangdui texts. Very interesting reading

and also the bible preferably one that has the new and old testament

DEAR GWOMAN, SORRY IF I SEEMED TOO QUICK TO "SHOOT" U DOWN.
DEAR CHUCK, RT ON ABOUT THE CALLOUSES! IM A BAD SPELLER TOO.
ME WIFE SAYS I SHOOT HER STUFF DOWN ALL THE TIME, I GUESS ITS THE 20 MORE YEARS OF RESEARCH. I'VE SEEN THE PIRI REIS MAP I THINK YER REFERING TO. HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE MILLION YEAR OLD MAP FROM THE UKRAIN? IT WAS IN PRAVDA, BUT I CANT FIND THE LINK RT NOW.
HI HELEN!

Dear Gwoman,

Mike is right, there is evidence of an advanced pre-flood civilization on every continent in the world. Those around the Pacific are generally grouped in the Lemuria catagory although that's not to say Lemuria existed or that those pieces of evidence do not belong to Atlantis. There seems to be an unusually large amount of evidence in the continents surrounding the Atlantic. These are usually considered signs of Atlantis but again there is no concrete anything in this field. The most notable evidence I've come across so far is the maps of Antartica. These maps show Antartica as it was before it was covered with ice, indicating that they were done before the pole shifted from Hudson Bay to the current location. (there is much debate about whether it even shifted but I can see no other explaination that fits properly so I tend to lean that way) Since these maps have been known to our civilization since at least the 1500's and we did not know what Antartica looked like until 1958 when a British team did seismic surveys and discovered that the maps were accurate, that seems to be pretty heavy evidence to me. Especially since the maps indicate an in depth knowledge of spherical trigonomitry. (please forgive my spelling) Even then they are still debated furiously when they are aknowledge at all.

Don't be discouraged if someone abruptly shuts you down when you come up with a theory. It happens all the time in this field. It's a fear thing. My own forehead is calloused from getting the door slammed in my face too many times. It's got to be the most hostile hobby I've ever gotten myself into.

Chuck

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dear gwoman,
hi, if you would do more research, you would realize that there is evidence all over the planet. crete,florida,south america,etc... logicaly leading to the conclusion that atlantis was a global society.

Helen, if the ice melts, where are we gonna be? I live in Florida....

On the topic of your teams name, do you believe in the existence of Atlantis and will you ever dare search for that on an expedition. I became quite interested and based on some reaidng and research believe it did exist, off the coast near Indonesia. Let me know what your thoughts are.

That's a good question about the global warming. I would think that it was caused by human industrialism alone except that it is predicted to occur in the Mayan Calender coinciding with an increase of Sun Spot activity. I still can't deny that what we are doing is having an effect if not solely responsible and that we should try to minimize the impact as much as possible. I wouldn't be suprised if OPEC's recent oil processing policies are a prelude to a major change in fuel sources in the near future. They seem to be squeezing as much money out of us as they can for as little oil as possible. The entire scenario smells of fear to me. I do not know what or why but I feel there is something on the horizon and it's going to have a tremendous effect on OPEC. You're guess is as good as mine.

As far as Antarctica, I've been keeping my eye open for any new information about the lake 1 to 1/2 mile down (can't remember which) that has a surface temperature of 56 degrees. There is a large magnetic anomoly in the center that reads like a very large chunk of metal. Possibly an iron/nickel asteroid on a volcanic vent or something. Maybe not, maybe a city. The entire lake is surrounded by a 700 ft high hollow half bubble. Presumably cause by the temperature of the lake. I have caught a few news bits about scientists needing an emergency evacuation a couple of times in the past few years. The reason given was lack of salt. Being a military research base you would think they'd plan better. I'd imagine that lake and it's enclosed environment would have an independant ecosystem after all of these years. Perhaps they weren't really suffering from salt deprivation? I don't know but it's worth watching. I make no claims that there are secret agendas at work or anything like that. Just keeping all the pieces on the table. The big picture will eventually make it's self apparent.

Charles De Vaul

Hi,

Just thought I would post an interesting site on the subject of global warming and its effects in the Antartic region. Truth is we just might get to see the underlying proof of the existence of [Atlantis] under the thick layers of ice, once that ice starts breaking up as it is doing.

http://www.greatdreams.com/warming.htm

Matt,

Have you had an opportunity to show your teammates the images I sent you? I'm curious to know what they think. I'm currently trying to find higher resolution scans of this area although I must admit all the DEMs etc are very confusing. Makes a man wish he'd listen more in school.

Charles De Vaul

Ok that's just disgusting. lol

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Edited by author 03-17-2004 07:54 PM
At the moment I believe the object that caused Carolina Bays
and landed in 2 different locations in the Atlantic impacted and released large deposits of methane beneath the continent causing it to sink. The reason I've come to this conclusion is the stories of the native people in Central America and North America of a fiery snake that came from the northwest destroying everything in it's path and sinking the home of the Sea People. They say the sky burned for days afterwords with many colors. That and the theories of the Bermuda Triangle concerning methane bubbling up causing the vehicles to sink. There are also stories of how the Atlantians overmined their homeland which might also have caused the Continent to sink. The pit mines in the upper pennisula also work into this theory nicely as they are 10,000+ years old and dug up to 60 ft deep through solid rock in some places. I don't believe that Native Americans the way we understand them would have done this. They were mostly interested in float copper.

Charles De Vaul

Could you email those pics to me at antipopchrist@yahoo.com. I'd like to study them. They sound worthwhile.

Ok I've sent them again. I sent them to matt@teamatlantis.com before. This time I've sent them to the address you specified. I also didn't send as many this time although the other email did not bounce back so it is probably still there. I'm dying to hear your opinion of these. If you want to post them on your site for discussion I have permission to put them on any website so long as the nasa copywrite messege is intact.

Thanks again Matt,

Charles De Vaul

They never made it... can you pls resend to webmaster@teamatlantis.com ?
best,

matt

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Matt,

have you had an opportunity to examine the images I sent you?

Charles

Thank you Matt. I did email the images. I forgot to mention that they are shaded relief renderings of bathymetric data. Am I mistaken or do those objects appear manmade to you as well?

Thanks again,

Charles De Vaul

Feel free to email me your pics ...

Hi there,

I believe that I have found it. Sounds crazy I know. If there was a way for me to post jpegs here I would show you what I've got. In my opinion and almost everyone I've shown so far it is definately there and would have to be related to if not the actual Atlantis. Does anyone have another idea for displaying jpegs?

Charles De Vaul

Maybe We already found atlantis. Think about it. All these findings are just clues. Maybe Atlantis is somewhere really close. Lately, I have been looking into these Areas that are atlanis sites and they create a vivd area of search. Connect the dots to the south american coasts, japan, and greenland and maybe atlantis is located in this "triangle." Could anyone back me up on this? I know it's a wide area but it does narrow it down.

this is strange randomstranger!I wanted to post what u have posted as the last message.There are speculations about antartica but perhaps nothing serious is being done.

has anyone thought to look in antarctica? it has been theorized that there was an instant freeze in that region many years ago and that it seemed to be tropical at one point before a quick continental shift. maby wrong, but it does seem logical.

Is anyone looking for submerged costal settlements at the ocean depth of 340' (this would have been dry land at the end of the last ice age)?

HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT CAT ISLAND LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE RELIEF ON THE SHORES IN FLORIDA. THE RELIEF WHICH PEOPLE SAY LOOK LIKE A SHARK. THE PICTURE OF CATISLAND SHOULD BE NAMED SHARKISLAND. JUST AN OBSERVATION. MAYBE THE PEOPLE OF CAT ISLAND WERE RESUED BY AIR SAW WHERE THEY WERE FROM AND WANTED TO SHOW WHERE THEY HAD BEEN. INVESTIGATE THE RELIEF, MAYBE MORE CLUES TO WHAT IS AT CAT ISLAND.

Always making mistakes in my urls...sorry...grin - here are some additional sites:-

* http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/reliefslides.pdf

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/2minrelief.html

http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/Other/At...nce_of_atlantis.htm

http://www.atlantisquest.com

Hope I got them right this time - and that some of this information may help you and your group somewhat.

Helen

Hello Mike,

Enclosing a couple of sites for you to check out..

http://www.ngde.noaa.gov/mgg/image/reliefslides.pdf

http://www.greatdreams.com/bermuda.htm

Found them both rather interesting...

Helen