Hello Dan! So great to see you here. Congratulations on the empty nest. Now the trick is keeping them from coming back!
Happy Holidays shipmate.

Clint

Hey Guys, What is new on TICO anyword on what they plan 2 do woth her. Also is anyone here looking for pics on TICO or her sisters. If you are like me know. I have alot them from the net from day 1 until decommissioning and in ship yard. I can sell a cd with pics on the for a small fee, if that is ok with u all.

Hey Darren just nosey did u find ur TICO patch that u were looking for yet?

Anyway guys hope 2 hear back from all of u someday. Or drop me an email: willie1912@cinci.rr.com

Harold,

I changed your entry in the vets list. Thanks for keeping the site up to date.

Joe

Yes, This is Harold Tucker. I need you to change my email and other info. It should be GMG2/SFC retired. 1st phase plankowner - Jan, 1984
Email is harold_tucker358@yahoo.com

Edited by author 11-13-2009 03:00 PM
Miss Delores, This is GMG2 Harold Tucker/SFC Tucker Tank Platoon SGT. Nice to meet you. I wanted to correct an error made in an earlier post from another sailor. Our first breakaway song was On the Road Again by Willie Nelson. For those of you that were there as 1st phasse precom crew will remember how much we hated it. It was not until the latter part of 1983 that we changed to the Star Wars theme song. Also the USS Ticonderoga CG-47 was a name that has a lot of history. First there was Fort Ticonderoga (which is what she is named after) and the CV14 USS Ticonderoga. She had a long a distinguished career that started in the Pacific during WW-II she went on to serve as an attack carrier during Korea and Vietnam. She steamed at Yankee Station and sent Alpha Strikes into North Vietnam. After that she was decomissioned. She sat in the mothball fleet until the Navy sold her for scrap ad she was made into razorblades. I hope and pray that we can save her and she would make a wonderful and beautiful memorial to all of the Ticonderga's. From the Revolutionary War, WW-II, Korea, Vietnam, the Cold War and the war on terrorism and drug trafficking. If you need any help please let me know. I am retired and 100% disabled dur to a mortor round in Iraq. So I have lots of time on my hands. Thank You for that you do. I also want to say a Take Care and God Bless to all that served on her. Starting from the mock up of Aegis in Lakehurst New Jersey, the large office trailers we used until there was enough of her to stand on. The barracks barge. The B B and G in the barracks in Pascagoula. Her first home port in Norfolk, the fire that almost claimed her in the Med. Firing our guns at Shiite strongholds over in Bearuit, all the way through to her last home port in Pascagoula and finally to the rest area she sits in today. We all need to band togeher and save her from the torches and bring her back to her bithplace. If not Pascagoula then we can try at the USS Alabama Memorial. She looks so lonely there and I bet the city would like to have her company.

Hello Shipmate, good to hear from you! I left Tico in 85 and
went to a bubble head shipyard in Kittery, Maine. Only SW up
there with those bubble heads. Admiral Guilbault called my CO
and wanted to speak with me. The CO got the XO and his
secretary to advise me of the phone call from an Admiral. That stirred them up. What was an Admiral doing calling for a Chief. We had a pleasant coversation and I told him I missed Tico and
I would love to take her back or take on a new version. I got
married in Maine and returned to Norfolk, Little Creek to be
exact and took on an LST USS Sumter. It was an old but good
ship and had to deal with the Marines onboard. Left that ship
and yes it got Decommed as well and took on the DESRON TWO
Medical position. I had 36 ships to assist, train and inspect.
One of them was Tico. I loved going back aboard her.
Interesting thing as the CO was a Commander. I retired in 1994
and went back to college to get ready for Med School. At least
that is what I wanted to do. I took a job as a paramedic at the Norfolk Ford Assembly plant and gave up Med school as the pay
and benefits for me and my family was outstanding. Then the
bastard (William Clayton Ford III) closed the damn plant in
Norfolk where I was for twelve years. Went to work in a new
emergency room for Sentara by the Amphitheater and also went to
Nursing School. Graduated as an RN and now working a stroke
unit at Virginia Beach General Hospital. I will stay there for
the next ten years or until my daughter finishes college and
then I think I will semi-retire and enjoy what life I have left. My daughter and I will be going up to Philadelphia soon to see
the old girl before they move her or turn her into razor blades. Have a great day shipmate, I miss you and all of the
plankowners. Fair winds and Following Seas Shipmate. I remain,
Michael A. Blair HMC(SW) USN Retired.

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I just stumbled across this website. Good to hear from QMC Clint Hill. I see Mr. Blair is still practicing medicine. I always knew he was just practicing. Teresa and I are now empty nesters. I'm surprised she hasn't left, too. Don't know how she puts up with me. Don't know how Mike did for that matter. Good to hear from you all. Dan dphubs1@yahoo.com

Hiya bill,
Looking for the standard Ship Patch that has the Tico Crest on it. I knew when I left that this was gonna come back and haunt me one day from not grabbing one from the Ship's store. But then again, didn't think they would have decommissioned it either.
Thanks for your help!
Darren

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Hi guys,

There are several patches of various types for sale right now on eBay: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m3...w=ticonderoga+patch

Joe

Hey Tico Shipmates, Silly question for you all. Does any1 here know what awards TICO got from April 10, 1985 thru November 6, 1988. If U do please let me know. Again Thnks

Follow Up for Darren What kind of patch of TICO are you looking for.

How's it going???
Hope all is well with everyone. Me Im retiring this January and am looking for a Ticonderoga patch. Its the only one that I cant find.
Any suggestions??

darren.clayton@navy.mil

How's it going???
Hope all is well with everyone. Me Im retiring this January and am looking for a Ticonderoga patch. Its the only one that I cant find.
Any suggestions??

Clint good to hear from you also! Hope all is well with you and you are doing ok. Myself&#A0;I am doing fine. I spent a lot of my time looking in on my parents who also live here in Owscoda, Michigan along with one of my brothers. Some times it can be a challenge but the 2 of us seem to keep things on an even keel here.
--- On Thu, 10/22/09, QT - Clint Hill-Quartermaster <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com> wrote:

From: QT - Clint Hill-Quartermaster <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com> Subject: USS Ticonderoga CG-47 Vets
To: "QT topic subscribers" <qtopic-subs@quicktopic.com>
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:10 PM


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So nice to see Mssrs Kirby, Alexander and Blair on here this week. Mike, thanks for the update on your life after Tico. I knew that you were at the Ford plant and thought about you when they closed it. Hard to believe it's been 24 years since we made Chief during the North Atlantic/BALTOPS cruise. I'll never forget sitting on the deck in sick bay, tied to the bulkhead to keep from sliding around and playing golf on the Intellivision.
Good memories. You guys were great shipmates. I was fortunate to have spent a few years of my life with you.

kirby os2 good to here from you.

alexander

Mike it sure ws good to get an update from you. I remember you well! SH2 Alexander at the time, I ran the laundry and the barbershop for a short time. Finished my career in Oct of 96. I am living back in Michigan In Oscoda right on Lake Huron. I was just laid off from my job as an Airframe Technician at the old Air Base here, so now it's time to look for something to do or hope to get called back as soon as things begin to turn around in the Aircraft business. Give me a shout when you can!
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From: QT - <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com>
Subject: USS Ticonderoga CG-47 Vets
To: "QT topic subscribers" <qtopic-subs@quicktopic.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 8:51 AM


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Hello Shipmate, good to hear from you! I left Tico in 85 and went to a bubble head shipyard in Kittery, Maine. Only SW up there with those bubble heads. Admiral Guilbault called my CO and wanted to speak with me. The CO got the XO and his secretary to advise me of the phone call from an Admiral. That stirred them up. What was an Admiral doing calling for a Chief. We had a pleasant coversation and I told him I missed Tico and I would love to take her back or take on a new version. I got married in Maine and returned to Norfolk, Little Creek to be exact and took on an LST USS Sumter. It was an old but good ship and had to deal with the Marines onboard. Left that ship and yes it got Decommed as well and took on the DESRON TWO Medical position. I had 36 ships to assist, train and inspect. One of them was Tico. I loved going back aboard her. Interesting thing as the CO was a Commander. I retired in 1994 and went back to college to get ready for Med School. At least that is what I wanted to do. I took a job as a paramedic at the Norfolk Ford Assembly plant and gave up Med school as the pay and benefits for me and my family was outstanding. Then the bastard (William Clayton Ford III) closed the damn plant in Norfolk where I was for twelve years. Went to work in a new emergency room for Sentara by the Amphitheater and also went to Nursing School. Graduated as an RN and now working a stroke unit at Virginia Beach General Hospital. I will stay there for the next ten years or until my daughter finishes college and then I think I will semi-retire and enjoy what life I have left. My daughter and I will be going up to Philadelphia soon to see the old girl before they move her or turn her into razor blades. Have a great day shipmate, I miss you and all of the plankowners. Fair winds and Following Seas Shipmate. I remain, Michael A. Blair HMC(SW) USN Retired.
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doc blair whats up kirby here ak84722AOL.COM
 
 
In a message dated 10/19/2009 8:11:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com writes:

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And may God Bless you too shipmate!
Mike Blair HMC(SW) Retired says so...
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"In 1983 we took a little trip,
Along with Captain Guilbault on a mighty AEGIS ship...
We took alot of missiles and we brought alot of gas,
and crossed the mighty ocean just to kick some commie ass.."

My how time fly's! The First and Flammable will always be a part of me!

All those who road the TICO as it turned and churned, GOD BLESS YOU ALL!

Does anyone know the awards the Tico crew recieved on it last deployment to south america in 2004

Robert I was a Ship's Serviceman from Pre-Com to 1986. Surprised to hear from you!
--- On Thu, 9/24/09, QT - Robert Sawyer <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com> wrote:

From: QT - Robert Sawyer <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com> Subject: USS Ticonderoga CG-47 Vets
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Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 9:08 PM


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I'm looking for anyone who served on the Ticonderoga with David Hanlon during Vietnam from 1963-1967. If you either knew David or served on the ship during those years, please contact me at debbie.henderson@co.ontario.ny.us.

Thank you.

I was a stewburner on the Ticonderoga in 82 thru 86. Had a great time. Robert Sawyer
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From: QT - Brad Aarmstrong CG 47 <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com> Subject: USS Ticonderoga CG-47 Vets
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Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:01 AM


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Sorry this is not Brad. I'm Robert Sawyer and served on the Ticonderoga 82 to 86.
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From: QT - Bill Sauer <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com> Subject: USS Ticonderoga CG-47 Vets
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Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 6:19 PM


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Sorry can not help you, but good luck.

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From: QT - Susan MacDonald <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com> Subject: USS Ticonderoga CG-47 Vets
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Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 4:34 PM


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Does anyone have any information or perhaps was a shipmate of John P. MacDonald. A coxswain who was killed in the kamikaze attack in Jan. 1945?

Susan MacDonald

David,

Here is a site that I found listing the men lost at sea.

http://www3.gendisasters.com/ship-disaster...-sinking,-sept-1918
Quoting "QuickTopic daily digest"
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Jim Saucier
www.sportsembroiderycenter.com
831-345-1820
for all of your Embroidery & Silk screening needs.
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Does anybody know where I can find a list of those lost on the third USS Ticonderoga when it was sunk in 1918.

Sawyer last time I saw you had a broke leg. Hope it healed and your still married to the lady you broke it for remember. That was a long time a go huh. Hope all is well with you and yours.

To all plankowners. Its was a part of my life I will never for get. I was a stewburner for the get go. Went on a second class and came off a chief. Damn we were good. I think alot of us went on to do great things. I still run into guys I know today. All of us a little grey or hair is missing. To all of the MS's We had some good times.

I almost forgot.

Mrs. Delores Early, who has posted to this group, is the Executive Secretary for the project. She is a very good source for information regarding the status of the project. She can be reached at savethetico10@yahoo.com.

Please let these folks know how much they are appreciated.

Regards,
Bill Deery

Museum Update

All,

The group of civic and business leaders in Pascagoula that are working very hard to bring Ticonderoga home have hired a company to do an engineering study. This study is just one part of the government's requirements in order to donate the ship to the museum project. The study is supposed to answer questions such as how the ship will be secured. What kind of mooring system is required to survive a direct hit from a hurricane? What kind of maintenance plan for the ship's exterior will be required given the environment? And that's just for starters. The study should be nearing completion.

As we are all painfully aware, the federal government likes it's paperwork. There are many hurdles to get past before the ship is donated and turned into something we all can get very excited about and this is just the beginning.

These folks are committed to perform due diligence with regards to the project and have already given many hours of their valuable time towards the project. We need to encourage them and let them know how much we appreciate their efforts. Dr. Jack Hoover is one of these leaders that have taken leadership of this project. If you get a chance, drop him a note at the following address;

Dr. Jack Hoover
c/o Gulf Coast OB/GYN
4507 Hospital Street
Pascagoula, MS 39581

I know that the project members met last night and I am just waiting on word on what was discussed. If anything major came up, I, or David Henclewski will pass it on.


Regards,
Bill Deery

Hey all, any word on what is happening with Ticonderoga, is she saved or will she be scrapped. I served on her from 85-88. God what a great ship she was. Got many pics of her from the interent a saving them on CD, if u guys any let me know. Email me at willie1912@cinci.rr.com

ADD CD to SUBJECT LINE

Hey Brad, How u doing. Drop me an email sometime. willie1912@cinci.rr.com

Hope 2 hear back from U soon.

Bill

by the way the chow was always preety good man lol

hey sawyer hope all is well..

I'm lurking.



Clint Hill, Plank Owner. 82-86


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let me know whos out there! Hey bill

big al kirby os1
 
 
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  Hello to ALL CG47 vets! I was a plankowner aboard the "first and formidable" from '82 through 3/86. I would like to think I remember all of you plankowners well. As I was one of your trusty stewburners, and I saw most of you 3 times a day. 4 at sea, as I remember!. I still have my comissioning day "book". I look at it from time to time and think of all the great times we all had and, did not have. I know that most meals were nothing to write home about but, shipmates, we did our best for you. I do remember pre-com in Norfolk, and good old Pascagoula, barely!!HAHA!!.Thunders tavern, Clancey's, and lets not forget our skipper, Capt.Guilbault. A fine navy man for the job!. Yes shipmates, good times !! GITMO, Roosy roads, Hiafa, Barbados, well, you all know. Then our first MED cruise. What a blast for a young man 18 yrs. old to have. I would definately do it all over again with all of you. Well guys, I guess I,ll close this out for now. I would really enjoy hearing from ANY plankowners at any time. I know I could look up your picture and remember you! Also, I would be more than happy to respond to any mail. I hope this finds everyone in good health and doing as well as possible!! Much respect to you all, sincerely Robert B. Sawyer ( MS3 U.S.N.)

I was an Air Force Senior Master Sergeant TAD to the Tico for Baltops 89, in the summer of 89. I was onboard for 3 weeks attached to the SCIF. It was a great experience and I was treated royally. I found out I have great sea legs and I enjoyed every minute. Still treasure my Tico jacket and cap. I also have a signed picture of the Tico given to me by Capt Arrison. I was later initiated as a Senior Chief at Navy London and was able to sponsor a Chief who was attached to our Air Force unit the next year. My commander allowed me to wear my Senior Chief insignia on my Air Force uniform at the pinning. I'll never forget the Navy Chiefs who always accepted me as one of them. Go Navy, Beat Army! Looking forward to visiting the Tico in Miss. someday. "If it flies, it dies!"

I was stationed on CG-47 from 88-93; E-DIV. I remember EMCM Monton well (EMCS then). What a great guy; salt of the earth guy who put shipmates before politics. Pat, if you have any more info, please send.
Thanks,
Steve

Steve@yalcs.com

For info of Tico shipmates from the early/mid 1990's: For those of you who didn't know, I recently found out that EMCM Monton E-Div) passed away, during his tour at Port Ops after he left Tico. He was a great guy who was always one of the first ones to step up if you needed help.

I just wanted to see the latest on "Save the Tico". As a Pre-Comm Crew Member I will always fondly remember my times aboard Tico. I live in Northern Mississippi and would love to visit the First and Formidable again. Seems the older I get, the more I remember celebrating Tico's birthday and mine on the same day especially with the old CIC crew.

Chili Mac McCoy

I have one of the USS Ticonderoga's "flight deck" books. The front has "Flight Deck" and on bottom says "USS Ticonderoga Primary Recovery Ship Skylab II". I think it is a history of the ship activities and crew from 1944-1973.

Anyone interested contact ladycrash03@yahoo.com

The book is in excellent shape and has many people listed.

thanks
Marlene

For Doug Alexander - to join the USS TICONDEROGA VETERANS' Association you can click on the link on the home page for this site or go to bigt.net and click on the membership link. Most of us are Carrier veterans but we are looking for CG veterans as you are the future or the organization. When CG-47 becomes a museum we will be having our annual reunion in that area in Mobile, Pascagoula or Biloxi.

Next June, 2010 we will be having the reunion in San Francisco, CA. Details can be found on the bigt.net website as it becomes available. There will be a trip to the USS HORNET in Alameda, CA where we will get to see the USS TICONDEROGA room. I think it is the best one there. We do have CG Memorabilia and are always looking for more. We are also excited about the possibility of CG-47 becoming a museum. She looks lonely sitting there in Philadelphia. If you look at the ship store link on bigt.net you will find CG-47 Decom memorabilia that was sold at the Decommissioning ceremony. It may still have hats and silver coins but those are all sold out. Still a lot of great items are for sale.

Iam a Plankowner of USS TICONDEROGA CG-47 and I am interested in joining the association can any one help me. My rate was SH2 when I was transferred. I remember SM1 Hugo "Frank" Arias and SK1 Lawrence Wells very well. It's along way from Oscoda, Michigan where I reside now to Pascagoula, Mississippi. If you read this Frank or Larry here's a great big hello!

Hello Jerry, I was stationed aboard the Ticonderoga from 1985-88 also. I was in deck dept. then became a yeoman. I use 2 hang out with Mike Kaiser the the rest of the GSM's whrn there. A cool bunch of guys. I also knew Brad O'Neill as well. But I did no he was murdered, hoope they caught the bastered that did that. As far as TICO a musuem I hope they will do it, I to plan 2 go see her when it happens. Any1 tell every1 dwn there in Tidewater hey.

Long life TICO

I was stationed aboard the Ticonderoga from 1984-88. I was a GSM2 in MER2, then went to MER1 working for GSM1 Mike Kaiser (who I'm still in touch with, also still in touch with GSM1 Billy Branch and GSM2 Kevin Nelson, we all still live in Tidewater.)

Don't know if any in here worked with Brad O'Neill. He was an HT2 before becoming a SEAL, eventually going to SEAL Team Six at Dam Neck. Brad was stabbed to death in a parking lot in AZ while out there for high altitude jump training. He was murdered in Mar. 2000.

Would love to see Tico turned into a museum. No doubt I would take my family down there and spend money in MS. Hope they realize the cash flow this would mean to them.

My late brother served on the Ticonderoga back in early mid 1970'ish, sorry don't know exact dates but know it was prior to 1974. Anyone out there that was aboard ship at that time?

Don't know how you get a garbled message on email. I said use the ships motto. �A;�A;�A;�A;�A;________________________________�A;From: QT - Delores Early <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com>�A;To: QT topic subscribers <qtopic-subs@quicktopic.com>�A;Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:44:18 AM�A;Subject: USS Ticonderoga CG-47 Vets�A;�A;--QT-------------------------------------------------------------�A;&#A0; &#A0; &#A0; Reply by email or visit�A;&#A0; &#A0; &#A0; http://www.quicktopic.com/6/H/AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk/m428�A;--------------------------------------------------------------- -�A;�A;Thanks for your ideas.&#A0;&#A0;&#A0; Keep them coming.&#A0; Bryon, I received a�A;garbled message. Please reenter it.�A;I am honored to be working for this ship and appreciate it more�A;the longer I work on this project.&#A0; I am going to post our big�A;events for the project on this message board if that is what you�A;wish--in hopes that some or all can attend our functions.�A;Delores Early�A;_________________________________________________________________�A;To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/6/X/AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk�A;Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT�A;�A;�A;�A;

Thanks for your ideas. Keep them coming. Bryon, I received a garbled message. Please reenter it.
I am honored to be working for this ship and appreciate it more the longer I work on this project. I am going to post our big events for the project on this message board if that is what you wish--in hopes that some or all can attend our functions.
Delores Early

I always liked “if it flies, it dies”. I seem to remember several cruise t-shirts with that on it.
Also, we always referred to her as “The Tico”

I remember that. "Star Wars" is what everyone used to refer to Ticonderoga because it was the first Aegis cruiser which utilized a radically new weapons control system the world had never seen, much like the stuff they had in the movie. At that time there was nothing like it anywhere in the world and it was the first.

When I picked my orders at "A" school, that is what the chief said to me, "You're going to 'Star Wars'. Very exciting.

Other phrases that was popular among the crew, "If it flies, it dies."

"First and Formidable" was the ship's motto.

"Eyes of the Fleet"

Maybe someone can come up with something better.

I just want to say how excited I am to see this coming together. I am so very grateful to you and the others in the committee that are volunteering their valuable time to this icon of U. S. Naval history. Thank you very much.


Sincerest regards,
Bill Deery

Delores,

During the earliest days of Ticonderoga history, Star Wars was a common association. We used the Star Wars theme as our "Breakaway Song" for the first few years. I don't recall a specific mascot or logo.

Use its current motto�A;�A;�A;�A;�A;________________________________�A;From: QT - Delores Early <qtopic-6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com>�A;To: QT topic subscribers <qtopic-subs@quicktopic.com>�A;Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:56:25 PM�A;Subject: USS Ticonderoga CG-47 Vets�A;�A;--QT-------------------------------------------------------------�A;&#A0; &#A0; &#A0; Reply by email or visit�A;&#A0; &#A0; &#A0; http://www.quicktopic.com/6/H/AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk/m423�A;--------------------------------------------------------------- -�A;�A;Most Revered Sailors,�A;I am the Exec Sec. of the Ticonderoga Project in Pascagoula, MS.�A;The project is speeding up a little.&#A0; The engineering�A;feasibility study in underway and should be finished in about 6�A;weeks.&#A0;&#A0;&#A0; We are all of the opinion that it will go well for us.�A;�A;I would like to know if you had a logo or favorite sign (mascot)�A;for the ship.&#A0; The U.S.S. Kidd has Captain Kidd, the U.S.S.�A;Brown had Charlie Brown, and so on.&#A0; Did you have something�A;identifiable that we could use in marketing the ship?�A;�A;Thanks for your help and keep up with us through Bill Deery or�A;Adm. Guilbault.�A;�A;Delores Early�A;Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum, Inc.�A;_________________________________________________________________�A;To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/6/X/AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk�A;Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT�A;�A;�A;�A;

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Most Revered Sailors,
I am the Exec Sec. of the Ticonderoga Project in Pascagoula, MS. The project is speeding up a little. The engineering feasibility study in underway and should be finished in about 6 weeks. We are all of the opinion that it will go well for us.

I would like to know if you had a logo or favorite sign (mascot) for the ship. The U.S.S. Kidd has Captain Kidd, the U.S.S. Brown had Charlie Brown, and so on. Did you have something identifiable that we could use in marketing the ship?

Thanks for your help and keep up with us through Bill Deery or Adm. Guilbault.

You can contact us at savethetico10@yahoo.com

Delores Early
Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum, Inc.

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I am assisting a veteran with a VA Claim. He was aboard the USS Ticondertoga 1968 to 1970. While off the water of Vietnam he witnessed a cold catapult. The fighter pilot was unable to control the jet and hit the water and was KIA. The VA wants the exact date and the name of the Pilot if possible. Does anyone remember this incident? My e-mail is dubvet@dbqco.org

My father Peter Rana is tring to find a buddy William Turner , from Roanoke VA- He was in the Navy from 1952- 1956 and served on the Ticonderoga. his email is perjr@mac.com if anyone has any info

hope that helps jim. they do have a web page for them

Laid down: 1 February 1943
Launched: 7 February 1944
Commissioned: 8 May 1944
1 October 1954
Decommissioned: 9 January 1947
1 September 1973
Renamed: PCU Hancock to PCU Ticonderoga 1 May 1943
Reclassified: CV to CVA 1 October 1952
CVA to CVS 21 October 1969
Struck: 16 November 1973
Fate: Sold for scrap 15 August 1974

my dad served on the uss ticonderoga durning WWII. The ship that is hoping to be placeed in pascagoula MS doesn't sound like the same one from WWII Does anyone have any information about the one from WWII

Hey all,

The latest on the Maritime Museum project is the group from Pascagoula recently went to the State Capitol in Jackson, MS. The group is eyeing some land that I believe is north of US Highway 90 for the museum. It's got great visibility from US 90, but the catch is that it's state owned and there are some tentative plans to develop it. The group is seeking to have the museum included in the development plans.

Other news...
Enough funds have been raised to get the feasibility and engineering studies started. I think they have chosen a group to do the feasibility, but I am not sure. I have to check with David. These are the first of many steps that have to be taken before we can put lines on her and get her moved. There are voluminous details that have to be worked out and we are just getting started, but progress is being made. The Navy has given the group an extension, so for now, she sits in Phily. Things are moving along, but just like anything else where the government is involved, they move relatively slower than we would like.

If you want to get involved, the easiest way is to DONATE. You can do that through the web site, www.bringtheticohome.org. With tax time approaching, any donations are still tax deductible, provided you don't make more than $250,000/yr. Can't have acheivers making too much money, (political comment intended). GET INVOLVED TODAY.

Guys,

We haven't heard any news lately about Tico. She's still in Philly. This group was trying to install her as a museum in Pascagoula, but I don't know where that stands: http://www.bringtheticohome.org/events.html

Steve (and others): We'd love to post any Tico photos you might have. If interested, contact us at info@ussticonderoga.com to make arrangements.

Joe

Hey all, any word on what is happening with Ticonderoga, is she saved or will she be scrapped. I served on her from 85-88. God what a great ship she was. Got many pics of her from the interent a saving them on CD, if u guys any let me know.

Came across this link while joining group on facebook. I think I have pics I can scan in from construction and during the time I was on her from '88-'93.

Just looking through old photos and came across Ticonderoga. Just checking to see if anyone from 1988-1992 checks in and to find out what your up to.

I have been looking for a former sailor on the Ticonderoga. His name is Marty Kruse. After leaving the ship, he was stationed at Fallon Naval Air Station in Fallon, Nv. and then after he left the service was cooking at the Golden Nuggett in Carson City, Nevada. If anyone is in touch with him, please give him my email address: rinilini@hotmail.com

Muchas Gracias

I am trying to do some research for my mother. Her father was on the ship Ticonderoga in World War II. We do not have very much info about him. His name is Ernest Willie Moore. He was from Georgia, the Atlanta area we THINK. We know he was on the ship when it was struck by the Japenese. He survived in the ocean for several days before being rescued. He lived for MAYBE a year after being rescued, and then died of spinal meningitis. Any info you can provide us with we will be so grateful. Please feel free to email me at ztaashlie@yahoo.com even if you have no information if you could point me in the right direction to do research. Thank you so much and God bless..

I am in need of some information. There was a US Navy Carrier stationed off he coast of South Korea in the spring of 1962. That carrier launched at least one spray plane to spray the DMZ. That plane came under fire from the NOrth Koreans while spraying the DMZ. My husband helped save the life of the Pilot and crew could that plane come from your ship and if so do you know who was piloting it. My email is:msba.wright@gmail.com

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Attention sea fairing veterans serving during 1958-1966. Garry Dressen passed away 12/29/2008 in Portland, Oregon. There will be a service held in his honor at St. Aloysius Church in Spokane, Washington on 01/10/2008 @ 9:30am. He spoke very fondly of all his fellow sailors. He would want everyone to celebrate his life, not mourn his death.

Lauren,

Just about any Army/Navy surplus store will have peacoats. If you don't have any luck, I know of a couple of stores in the Greater Orlando, FL area that might be able to help you out. For that matter, search the web for Navy surplus. Who knows, you might even find a radarman rating badge. Perhaps a Fire Control Tech or Operations Specialist would suffice.
God bless and good luck.

Bill Deery

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My father served in the Navy on the Ticonderoga during Vietnam. For Christmas I'm looking to get him a new peacoat since his fell into the hands of his sisters not long after he returned home from duty. I'd love to be able to put a rating badge on it for him but I can't find one for a radarman since the job doesn't exist anymore. Could anyone tell me where I might be able to get my hands on one? I'd be grateful!

for those of you who served in WWII with my grandfather Irvin Dale Steward i am leaveing this message to inform you that on Nov 25 2008 he passed away. on the previous day he had his 82nd birthday. my grandfather never really talked about the war that i can remember so i am not really familiar with any names of people he served with but if you served with him and would like to contact me my email is terry_steward@hotmail.com i will try to answer any of your questions about my grandfather.

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The following story was in the October 15, 2008 edition of the Press Republican. It is near Ticonderoga New York.

TICONDEROGA — Instead of being turned into scrap metal, the USS Ticonderoga could become a floating museum.

That idea is exciting to many people in Ticonderoga, which had a close relationship with the guided-missile cruiser and its crew before the vessel was decommissioned.

Since 2004, the Ticonderoga has been sitting at the Inactive Ships Maintenance Facility in Philadelphia waiting for final disposition.

But a group of Pascagoula, Miss., residents and Navy veterans have come to its rescue. The guided-missile cruiser would be the showpiece of the proposed Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum on the east bank of Pascagoula, near Interstate 10.

The Ticonderoga was last based in Pascagoula and was built at Ingalls Shipyard there in 1983. It was the first Aegis-class ship and was equipped with what were then state-of-the-art weapons and electronic-warfare systems.


IDLE SINCE 2004

On Sept. 30, 2004, the USS Ticonderoga (CG 47) was decommissioned at Naval Station Pascagoula, Miss., a victim of Navy cost-cutting.

Many Ticonderoga residents, including Town Supervisor Robert C. Dedrick, attended the ceremony.

“We met with the veterans committee at the decommissioning,” he said. “I never saw a group more dedicated to doing something. No matter what happened, it was not going to be scrapped.”

The committee had about 200 members, he said.

“They approached the town to come up with fundraising items. We sold hats, coins, stickers, and the money we raised was sent to the fund.”

So far, $50,000 has been raised, enough for the engineering study on how to move the ship and establish the museum.

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Anthony J. Licci; Machinist's Mate 3rd Class, CV-14 has passed and joins his shipmates on their final cruise, 'Tony' passed here in Cooperstown, NY his funeral is 11/03 with full military honors, Respectfully; GMM1 Mk26 LS#2(still the #1 launcher in the fleet) Tex Seamon

I am trying to contact Robert Dinsmore, served around 1957 ??

If anyone has any information, I would really appreciate your help.

or you can pass my email address along to him vtex@comcast.net

thanks for any help

Any CG-47 sailors wanting to join a few of us Sept 11 2008 through Sept 14 2008 in Ft Lauderdale Fl. You are welcome to come check Dave post for room.

I am trying to contact a Tico buddy. His name is Robert DeCoito. I served on the Tico from June,1966 until September, 1969. He was on board one year before me and left left about one year before I left. I was a CYN3 on the ship.If you know how to contact him please e-mail me at aljelb@comcast.net.

There's a group of us CG-47 plankowners planning a gathering in Ft. Lauderdale September 11th through the 14th. Sorry for the short notice. Here's where most of us are staying: http://www.seaclubresort.com

Originally organized by a group of OSs who have remained in touch, there's also a sprinkling of other CIC staff and snipes thrown in for good measure. All are welcome.

Email me at DvSlvcki@gmail.com if you're interested!

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Hey Guys time is getting close, what is the story on saving TICO from a untimely death. Also would like 2 hear from other TICO sailors from 1985-1988 or whenever. Add Tico 2 subject line in your email so I know. Drop me an email at oneslickdude2003@yahoo.com

SAVE TICO

best ship ive ever been on, was a gunners mate onboard and loved it, anyone that was on with me try and contact me if you are still in, love to hear from anyone

My Grandmother's brother, Philip West Tarr, was one of the lost on the Ticonderoga in 1918. He was 18 years old. I have pictures of him, and some accounts of what happened from that time period...I would just like to see an official list of the dead, and I cant seem to find it. Thanks for any help!

Bonnie

Here is an article fyi.

Tuesday, June 03, 2008
The fact-finding visit to the USS Kidd in Baton Rouge, La., is the sort of groundwork needed to push the Mississippi Ticonderoga Project along.


The project's aim is to bring the USS Ticonderoga to Pascagoula to serve as a museum, civic site and tourist attraction.

The project will require more than the support of Pascagoula and Jackson County. Moving and setting up the Ticonderoga is estimated to cost from $8 million to $10 million. With that level of cost, the Ticonderoga project may even need and deserve state support.

Dr. Jack Hoover, president of the Mississippi Ticonderoga Project, has said corporate help will be sought. Certainly, the local shipbuilding community will be called upon to assist with the project.

In comparison to the USS Kidd, a World War II era destroyer, the Ticonderoga project has a built-in advantage in that the ship was built in Pascagoula at Ingalls, which is now Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding. The Kidd had no such ties to Baton Rouge other than a desire there to preserve a piece of history. Here, the shipbuilders at Northrop Grumman can lend their expertise to the project, and possibly there are workers who helped build the Ticonderoga. The keel for the Ticonderoga was laid in 1980 and the ship was commissioned in 1983 after being built at a cost of about $1 billion. This is a project with roots in the local shipbuilding community.

Another plus: The ship is the first surface vessel equipped with the AEGIS combat system. The ship's influence remains visible in ships constructed today at the Northrop Grumman shipyard. The Ticonderoga represents a technological leap for the Navy.

On the tour to the USS Kidd, Pascagoula Mayor Matthew Avara said he would be against pledging taxpayer money to support the project. However, he would volunteer city staff to assist the project. Locating the Ticonderoga on the Pascagoula River next to downtown Pascagoula would make it a centerpiece for the city's waterfront development. The ship would be visible from Interstate 10, which would help draw tourists. The ship dovetails nicely into the city's plan, so its support would seem vital. The county should also help the project in any way it can.

The project is ambitious in scope, but another one of its primary advantages is the Ticonderoga represents the ties Mississippi has to the 21st century Navy. That's worth preserving and exhibiting to the rest of the world.

Here is the latest article.

Friday, June 13, 2008
By AMBER CRAIG
Staff Reporter
PASCAGOULA -- Community members pushing to bring the decommissioned USS Ticonderoga to Pascagoula plan to ask the U.S. Navy for an extension of more than a year on the July deadline to turn in the application.

The current deadline is July 31, but members of the Mississippi Ticonderoga Project are drafting a letter to Capt. Dave Tungett, manager of the Navy Inactive Ships Program, requesting that the deadline be pushed back to October 2009.

"There's no way we're going to have this application to the Navy by July," said Dr. Jack Hoover, president of the Mississippi Ticonderoga Project, during a project board meeting Thursday evening.

The guided missile cruiser, built at Ingalls and commissioned in 1983, would be the centerpiece of a proposed Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum on the east bank of the city -- in the heart of a proposed waterfront development.

Hoover said board members are requesting the October 2009 date because it gives them more than a year to plan and raise funds but is not so far into the future that the Navy would deny the request.

The group will be able to complete the application process by then, Hoover said. The city of Pascagoula approved the project in October.

The group plans to send the letter within the next two weeks.

The total cost of the project is predicted to be $8 million to $10 million for seed money, site preparation, berthing locations, moorings, the museum and other operations. The ship is moored at the Naval Inactive Ships Maintenance Facility in Philadelphia.

The initial stage, a feasibility study, is expected to cost between $40,000 and $50,000.

Pat Keene, vice president of the Mississippi Ticonderoga Project, said the feasibility study will show the group how accurate their estimated cost really is.

"That's really the heart of where we go next," Keene said.

Board members are also discussing visiting with Gov. Haley Barbour to request state funding, but the group wants to have at least $10,000 raised before then.

The board has raised $4,000 so far.

Pascagoula Mayor Matthew Avara has said that he would not support spending taxpayer dollars on the Ticonderoga project.

If approved, the Ticonderoga would be the state's first warship museum.

Reporter Amber Craig can be reached at acraig@themississippipress.com or 228-934-1428.

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I am currently looking for information on my father Louis Session who was stationed on the TI from 1962-1964 when the Ship was in the Seattle area. I do not know his job or rank. I have been searching for information on him for over 20 years. If anyone has any information that might be of some assistance please feel free to email me at Dangerous7544@yaoo.com this information would truly be appreciated.

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While not a Tico sailor, I was a Spru-Can sailor Kidd class to be exact USS-Scott DDG-995 I'm in Pascagoula have been since leaving USN in 1985,

There is a movement here in Goula area to save Tico & bring her here where she was built.

Ya'll mite want to have a look http://www.savethetico.org/ I'd hate to see another Spru-Can hull wind up as a fish haven,

see David R Henclewski's message 2 posts below this one

Cold War could not have been won without these ships we need one preserved as monument to those of us that sailed on them.

Plus the Spru-Cans & derivatives issued in newest technical advances today's sailor takes for granted that it was always Aegis & gas turbine propulsion

If ya'll know of any Scott sailors looking for our hangout, http://www.uss-scott.com I'm the caretaker there

jim big al kirby here drop me a line _ak8472@aol.com_
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Do we have a company to do embroidery or screen printed Tico apparel?
Apparel can be sold locally/nationally to help support the cause to raise money and awareness.

As a Former Tico sailor (83-86) I would like to provide my company's support.
I own a small embroidery/screen printing company located in California.

Jim Saucier
RMSN

News on the effort to save TICO

USS Ticonderoga may come home to Pascagoula

Cherie Ward; The Mississippi Press
BATON ROUGE - More than 40 officials and community leaders from Jackson County embarked Thursday on a fact finding mission to tour the destroyer USS Kidd in Louisiana. The exploratory trip, sponsored by the Mississippi Ticonderoga Project and Vision Tours of Ocean Springs, was intended to provide ways to relocate the decommissioned USS Ticonderoga to Pascagoula. The guided missile cruiser would be the centerpiece of a proposed Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum on the east bank of the city - in the heart of a proposed waterfront development.
"We want it on the Pascagoula River," said Dr. Jack Hoover, president of the Mississippi Ticonderoga Project. "We would like it as close as possible to the Highway 90 bridge for visibility to get more people in."
Hoover said the cost of the project is predicted to be $8 million to $10 million for transferring and setup.
"But, we plan to ask some of the bigger businesses for the majority of that," Hoover said. "It's a piece of our history. The ship was built at Ingalls in 1982. Businesses around here have made money off of the shipyard for years. So many people come up to me and say we have to have the ship here. The vets who served on the ship want it here."
Hoover organized the trip to tour the Kidd in hopes to gain county and statewide support for the project.
"I want everyone we invited today to take away from this trip that this is a beautiful project," Hoover said. "It will be extremely beneficial to the city of Pascagoula, Jackson County and to the whole state. Mississippi does not have a warship museum."
Maury Drummond, executive director of the USS Kidd Veterans Memorial, spent about an hour with the group answering questions and providing information about Baton Rouge's journey to gain its warship.
Drummond painted a picture of a worthwhile project with plenty of community involvement.
"Get the women involved," the 20-year director said, laughing. "Women will get things done and sometimes men just talk about it."
Most of the funds the museum receives are mainly from the gift shop, military reunions and overnight youth programs, but Drummond said the city allocates $225,000 annually for upkeep. He said city officials wanted 300,000 visitors yearly, but the ship sees about 80,000 visitors each year.
"And that's plenty," Drummond said. "If you get that many you're set. I'm willing to help in anyway I can."
Hoover said a hurricane plan would be developed as part of U.S. Navy requirements for the ship being transferred from the Naval Inactive Ships Maintenance Facility in Philadelphia, Pa.
"The ship would be hurricane-proof and up to Navy standards," Hoover said.
City officials agreed the location would be perfect, history would come alive in Pascagoula with a warship museum and it could be an added attraction.
"But, I have said from the beginning that I do not want taxpayer dollars spent on the setup," Pascagoula Mayor Matthew Avara said. "I have said many times that this administration will not raise taxes. I think it's a doable-do and it would be the lighthouse of the waterfront project. I'll go anywhere and talk to anyone about it - I just won't spend taxpayer money on it.'
Avara said he would volunteer city staff to research and try to obtain grant funds for the project, but would not support allocating as much money as the Kidd receives annually from Baton Rouge.
Todd Trenchard, communication director for Merchants & Marine Bank echoed the mayor.
"I think it's a good project," Trenchard said, "if we can find the financial resources for it. It's an important part of our history, but we're still recovering from Katrina."
Debbie Anglin, communications director with the Pascagoula School District, said she's excited about the prospect of a warship for students to tour.
"It's a part of our history," Anglin said. "Our students' family members built the ship and for them to be able to explore it is very exciting. I'm already thinking of ways we can utilize it in the school system."
Hoover said he understands the journey to bring the Ticonderoga to Pascagoula is long, but with help from the community it is obtainable.

Reporter Cherie Ward can be reached at cward@themississippipress.com or 228-934-1442.

TICONDEROGA FACTS
Homeport: Pascagoula Keel Laid: Jan. 27, 1980 Launched: April 25, 1981 Commissioned: Jan. 22, 1983 Decommissioned: Sept. 30, 2004, and sent to the Naval Inactive Ships Maintenance Facility in Philadelphia, Pa.
Builder: Ingalls Shipbuilding, West Bank, Pascagoula
Propulsion system: Four General Electric LM 2500 gas turbine engines
Length: 567 feet Beam: 55 feet Draft: 34 feet Displacement: about 9,600 tons full load
Speed: 30+ knots Crew: 24 officers, 340 enlisted Cost: About $1 billion Aircraft: two SH-60 Seahawks Armament: Two Mk 26 missile launchers, standard missiles and ASROC, Mk 46 torpedoes, harpoon missile launchers two Mk 45 5-inch/54 caliber lightweight guns, two Phalanx CIWS.
Information is from the Web site: www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.
PARTICIPANTS
Participating in the Mississippi Ticonderoga Project trip to the USS Kidd warship museum in Baton Rouge, La., were the following.
Pascagoula Mayor Matthew Avara Pascagoula
Councilman Keith Belcher Pascagoula
Councilman Joe Abston Pascagoula
Councilman Frank Corder Pascagoula
Councilman Robert Stallworth Gautier
Councilman Dick Paul Ocean Springs
Mayor Connie Moran
Jackson County Board of Supervisor Mike Mangum
Jackson County Board of Supervisor Manly Barton
Jackson County Board of Supervisor President John McKay
Jackson County Board of Supervisor Melton Harris
Bill Webb, Mississippi Development Authority
Billy Baronich, U.S. Rep. Gene Taylor's staff member
Debbie Anglin, communications director for the Pascagoula School District
Adam Askew, Hancock Bank
Anita Belcher, Excel by 5
David Boland, Pavoc
Charles Busby, Orion Engineering
Amy Brandenstein, Chevron Refinery Pascagoula
Rebecca Davis, Pascagoula Main Street Association
Delores Early, Ticonderoga Task Force member
Jim Estabrook, Estabrook Motors Liz Ford, Historic Preservation Commission Cynthia Garlich, Ticonderoga Task Force member
Dr. Jack Hoover, Gulf Coast OBGYN
Pat Keene, Ticonderoga Task Force member
Pam Lindsey, Charter Bank Retired
Adm. Jim Lisanby
Robbie Maxwell, Maxwell and Associates
Diann Payne, Jackson County Civic Action
Parker Pugh, Gulf Coast Business Council
Jerry St. Pé, St. Pé and Associates
Dr. James Sutton, Vision Tours
Carla Todd, Jackson County Chamber of Commerce
Todd Trenchard, Merchants and Marine Bank
Lynn Truelove, Singing River Hospital Systems
Alice Walker, Pascagoula Economic Development
Tim Lee, owner of WPMP radio
COMMUNITY LEADERS TOUR USS KIDD

Hi Guys and fellow service men. I just found out online just now some bad news. The last Burke destroyer DDG 112 is not named TICONDEROGA, it will be the USS Michael Murphy (DDG-112). It was awarded to Bath Iron Irons 2 build her. Thought I would let you all know. Thank you all who sent letters to SecNav for trying.

...Was inquiring as to anyone who knew my granfather, EDWARD GRAY...who was one of the aerial photographers who served aboard the Ticonderoga.

He was killed in January of 1945, a month before my dad was born.

He was from Cambridge Mass.

Thank you, so much,
KATHLEEN CHRISTENSON
P.O. Box 2351
Seward, Alaska, 99664

kathleenupnorth@yahoo.com

Hello Bill and thank you for answering my post. Interesting that you will be here real soon. If you have a few moments to spare while here it would be good to meet you. I perform on Saturday at The Hogfish on Stock Island @ 5:30. I will spend Friday in my woodworking shop @ Oceanside Marina (renamed Kings Pointe) which is also on Stock Island. After 911 Homeland Security rented our property on Sugarloaf. We had a half acre mangrove stand in the middle of our seawall. It needed to be removed. I kept the wood and and now use it for tables, lamps, frames, and such. Anyway I am on my own clock if the opportunity presents. A link to one of my sites is included. Again, thanks for writing.
http://www.soundclick.com/bradfresharra

Best regards
Brad

Brad,

The Multinational Peacekeeping Force, as the U. N. referred to it, that was put in place after terrorists blew up the Marine barricks was made up of ships, squadrons, marines and sailors from all over the country. As was the custom of the day, United States shouldered most of the load. Ships from the west coast, as well as a majority from the east coast made up the task force.

I was on CG47 and we had just left Norfolk for our inuagural deployment when, two days out, we received the news. We had a list of liberty ports that we were planning to visit during that cruise. That went in folder 13. Our deployment immediately got extended and we headed for Gonzo Station, just off of Beruit.

I have plenty of memories, as I am sure those who were plankowners do as well. Forward your e-mail.

You may want to checkout another web site called "togetherweserved". I met one sailor who was a corpsman and was "on the beach" that day to rescue some marines. I can't remember his name. But, if you mention Beruit, I am sure he will pop up. He held a fundraiser for a memorial where he walked around the downtown district of his hometown for a couple of days to raise money. It's a pretty interesting story.

I will be in Key West on business this Friday, May 23rd, for the day. Let me know.


Regards.

My name is Brad: a lifelong musician from Key West, USA. I am currently doing research for a Keys History non-fiction publication and maybe one of you good folks could help. We remember the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon. I was performing full time at a place called the Bull on Duval st. in Key West when the Peace Keeping Force was brought home. They came here first as a little cool down period before after this cruel event. To me it is a snapshot in my life I will never forget. While on shore leave here all military were required to wear class A dress the whole time and it reminded me of my childhood when this town was all about military. My question is this: do any of you have stories, pictures, or insight regarding this time period? I would enjoy knowing another perspective. To those of you who have served and those who still do... a salute of thanks for your contribution to our great nation.

I am from the coast(ocean Springs MS) and tried some years back to get a ship here. I would like to talk to someone backing the Ticonderoga memorial in Pascagoula. Not sure if I would be of much help. My number is 228 861 4849.

I am searching for anyone who may have served with John Phillip MacDonald, Senior Coxswain who was killed in action during the kamikaze attack on January 21, 1945. My father-in-law was only 3 when his father was killed, I would like to get any information for Father's Day. Thank you.

Susan MacDonald
125 Camino Del Sol
Vallejo, CA 94591
707.567.1321
susan@reflectiondesign.biz

LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO SERVED WITH MY FATHER WILLIS B. JONES IN THE THIRD DIVISION ABOARD THE TICONDEROGA CVA 14 BETWEEN THE YEARS 1956 TO 1958.HE PASSED AWAY ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.PLEASE CONTACT ME WITH ANY INFORMATION THANK YOU.HERE IS THE NAMES OF THE MEN IN THE THIRD DIVISION,W.H.WILLINGHAM,A.S.LOEWEN,R.B.RAGUKAS,J.W.DICK,W.B.JONES,D.F.HOPPER,M.L.LANGFORD,B.G.MATHERLY,R.S.KELLER,C.V.BURNETTE,C.K.ALMOND,E.E.TRIMMER,C.W.GRIBBLE,R.E.GARNER,D.R.TORREY,F.T.CHAVEZ,H.F.SHERMAN,J.D.PATE,LTJG H.E.MULHOLLAND,J.P.SAYERS,L.ABSHIRE,S.E.ALLEN,T.C.FRASIER,B.W.MINK,W.R.BAKER,R.O.GOESSEL,L.ALLEN,J.MARQUEZ,W.R.HARRIS,W.E.BORGSTROM,R.J.GODIN,E.H.PRESSLEY,J.L.BEAHAM,J.R.TSCHIDA,R.A.SANTUCCI,D.H.GRIM,J.H.LOWRANCE,N.B.MUSICK,L.R.LACHANCE,D.D.ALLEN,J.R.ARCHULETA,T.W.VITAL,T.J.BAMBACK.IF ANYONE RECOGNIZES THEIR NAME OR KNEW MY DAD FROM THE THIRD DIVISION PLEASE CONTACT ME.THANK AGAIN.

                          WILLIS D. JONES
                          1124 FOX AVE.
                          HARRISVILLE,WV 26362
                          (304)643-4307
                          willis_1968@yahoo.com

There will be a fund raising event in Pascagoula, Mississippi to support the placing of the USS TICONDEROGA (CG-47) as a museum and attraction at 1PM on April 19th, 2008. Your financial support is needed to purchase hat, T-shirts and mugs for this initial effort. Your help will be crucial in forwarding our effort to complete the application to the NAVY for donation of the ship. The ship will be the focal point of the Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum to be located on the Pascagoula waterfront. Former Mississippi Senator Trent Lott will be the guest speaker. There will be music, raffle, memberships, food and other items for sale.

Please send your donations to:

Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum
P.O. Box 243
Pascagoula, Mississippi 39568

Your support is much appreciated and needed to forward the vision of saving TICO!

Sincerely,

David R Henclewski
President
Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum

     I worked in the hanger deck area. Trying to locate some of my old buddies. I was on there in 1969-december1970. I mostly was the elavator operator.

Hey guys just wandering has any1 heard anything about TIOCONDEROGA? If it will be saved or scraped. Also anything on DDG 112 name yet. I sent my letter to them and I hope they name it TICONDEROGA would be a good end 2 the ships. Thnks guys

Good luck to everybody

On Sept 6 2007 I posted the info below. The good news is that the Secretary of the Navy has not selected a name for DDG-112 so there is still a chance we can get it named TICONDEROGA. Please take time to go to the first page of www.bigt.net and see the canned letters to him and your state representatives at the bottom of that page. Open them up, make the appropriate changes and send them in. Thanks for your help in this.

I am not sure how many TICO sailors this site reaches but I see there are over 200 signed up in Classmates.com. It would be nice to reach them with this info and that of the making of CG-47 into a museum but one can not email those signed into Classmates unless they pay a fee to be allowed to do that. Then you can only contact 20 classmates per day. If a couple of CG-47 crew would sign up this could be done fairly rapidly. I would be glad to send you a sample email that you could cut and paste into your 20 emails each day. You can contact me at etrotterzzzz@verizon.net

Thanks for your interest and help in this and ignore the email below this one as I accidentally hit the send key.

Your shipmate

Ed Trotter
62-65

Posted Sept 6 2007 - The Secretary of the Navy has named the DDG-111. The last AEGIS ship is scheduled to be the DDG-112 and we are asking him to name it USS TICONDEROGA thus making the first and last AEGIS ships have the same name. Something unique in Navy History.

On the home page of www.bigt.net there is a canned letter to him asking for this to happen. It is at the bottom of the page. Please open it and copy it and change to your liking and mail as soon as possible. Get your parents and friends to write also. We need a surge of letters at this time to stay in the running.

Thanks for your help in this.

Your shipmate,

Ed Trotter
62-65

The Secretary of the Navy has named the DDG-111. The last AEGIS ship is scheduled to be the DDG-112 and we are asking him to name it USS TICONDEROGA thus making the first and last AEGIS ships have the same name. Something unique in Navy History.

On the home page of www.bigt.net there is a canned letter to him asking for this to happen. It is at the bottom of the page. Please open it and copy it and change to your liking and mail as soon as possible. Get your parents and friends to write also. We need a surge of letters at this time to stay in the running.

Thanks for your help in this.

Your shipmate,

Ed Trotter
62-65

Things are looking good for the Tico. Thank you to all who are working so hard to save her!

It looks like the Tico might be saved after all, thanks to Dave and others. I saw in the latest Navy Times that, apparently, a group from Ft. Lauderdale is trying to get the USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67). I guess they feel a carrier will be a bigger draw than a cruiser. Their loss. Regards to all who served on Tico.

Tico project worthwhile
Wednesday, January 09, 2008
The USS Ticonderoga project got under way Monday at an organizational meeting for the 24-member Ticonderoga Task Force.

Bringing the historic ship home to Pascagoula is an ambitious project that will likely be an issue we will dwell upon in the coming months and years.

The scope of the project is daunting. It is estimated it will take $10 million to transport and refurbish the ship and build a museum. After the Tico is here, the process begins to staff and maintain the warship attraction.

The completed project promises to become a destination for tourists for years to come. Locating the Tico on the Pascagoula waterfront fits nicely into the city's plan to develop the waterfront from Beach Park to the Point to downtown. Pascagoula's plan for the waterfront is nearly as extensive as bringing the Tico home. Walks, bike trails, boat launches, stages and green areas will transform Pascagoula into a place where people travel to relax.

Even without the other waterfront developments, the USS Ticonderoga will be of interest to visitors. The Tico was the Navy's first Aegis guided-missile cruiser and was built at the Ingalls Shipyard. Christened in 1981, the ship entered service as the Cold War stood in balance. The Tico was one of the tools that helped tip the balance.

The USS Ticonderoga has been decommissioned and faces the scrapyard if a new home is not found for it. The best new home for the Tico would be at its birthplace.

The official start of fundraising is March 1. As organizers said this week, the project will need help beyond Jackson County. The task force is already talking about a Web site to solicit donations and a statewide student poster contest. The Tico plan includes generous donations for in-kind services from corporations. Preserving a ship that helped win the Cold War also deserves assistance from state and federal government.

Dr. Jack Hoover is leading the Tico project as task force and Pascagoula Renaissance Commission tourism committee chairman. "I think the time is right and it is going to be a big, big boon to the city and the county, but it's going to take a lot of work," he said.

The work will be the worthwhile. The alternative is to see the USS Ticonderoga in a scrapyard or in another city without the ties Pascagoula has to the ship, and either would be a lost opportunity.

Here is the latest news article from our effort to save USS TICONDEROGA as a museum and attraction. Your help to save this great ship is appreciated.

Send donations to:

Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum
Featuring the USS TICONDEROGA (CG-47)
PO Box 243
Pascagoula, MS 39568


Ticonderoga Task Force meets, faces raising $10 million
Tuesday, January 08, 2008
By AMBER CRAIG
The Mississippi Press
PASCAGOULA -- Organizers of an effort to return the USS Ticonderoga to Pascagoula emphasized Monday the grassroots effort that will be required to raise much of the $10 million needed to transport and refurbish the vessel, as well as build a warship museum.

The 24-member Ticonderoga Task Force of city, business, civic and industry leaders met for the first time at LaFont Inn for an update on the status of the project to have the ship brought to the city as well as to build a museum of Gulf Coast shipbuilding.

The fifth version of the Ticonderoga, CG 47 -- the U.S. Navy's first Aegis class guided-missile cruiser -- was built in Pascagoula's Ingalls Shipyard. Former first lady Nancy Reagan christened the ship in Pascagoula on May 16, 1981.

David Henclewski, president of the Mississippi Maritime and Warship Project, a group trying to save the Tico from being dismantled before a Jan. 31 deadline, said $50,000 is initially needed for a feasibility and marketing study, which should be completed sometime this spring.

"The feasibility study is going to give us credibility in talking to our corporate sponsors," Henclewski said.

The project will rely heavily on corporate donations and in-kind services for refurbishing the vessel, especially from businesses like Northrop Grumman, Chevron, Lockheed Martin and General Electric, Henclewski said.

Local planners say $10 million is needed for seed money, site preparations, berthing locations, moorings, a museum and other operations.

The task force set March 1 as the official fund raising kickoff. Word of the project will spread beyond Jackson County, organizers said, with a statewide student poster contest in the pipeline and plans to set up a Web site to solicit donations.

Tico-inspired paraphernalia, including coffee mugs, T-shirts and bumper stickers, will be sold to raise local awareness of the project.

"I think the time is right and is going to be a big, big boon to the city and the county, but it's going to take a lot of work," said task force chairman Dr. Jack Hoover, also chairman of the Pascagoula Renaissance Commission's tourism committee.

U.S. Rep. Gene Taylor, who attended the meeting, said that the Ticonderoga and the museum would diversify South Mississippi's tourist attractions. Taylor said it sounds as if planners realize that this will be a "huge undertaking."

"I was pleased to hear that they know this will be a local endeavor," Taylor said.

Construction of the Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum should start by March 2009 and be completed by the following September, Henclewski said. Towing of the ship is scheduled for October 2009, with an official dedication held the following month on Veterans Day.

If approved, the museum would be the state's first battleship museum.

Reporter Amber Craig can be reached at acraig@themississippipress.com or 228-934-1428.

My father, John Fonvergne, passed away Jan.1, 2008. He was on the Tico 1955-1959. I'd like to know if there is any memorial plaque that I can have my dad's name inscribed or some place that I can honor him and his time on the Tico? If so, please contact me at dmorris@icoe.com

My father Kenneth H Platt served on the Ticonderoga during WWII.....now I am working on a project in which I need the names of those who served on the ship during this time. Is there such a list

First off Happy New Year All. May 2008 be a good year 4 TICO and all who served on her. I served on TICO from 1985-1988. Seen alot and miss alot 2. From Libya to Persian Gulf, to crossing the Artic Circle, Sueze Canal and Equator. Like 2 here from any TICO friends from then or after I left. Drop me an email at rmstitanic_1912@hotmail.com Please make TICO a musuem for furture generations 2 see and enjoy.

I served on bord the Tico from 1993-1997. Happy New Year, I would like to hear from my old shipmates in 1st. div. you can email me at: dhcontreras@msn.com

Just found this site, i was on board from 1990 till 1995- any of you old salty engineers can email me at fatony30@netzero.com

Wishing all former Ticonderoga sailors a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

A New Year wish would be to have TICO saved in MS.

Merry Christmas shipmates! I hope you all have a great holiday! Lets remember to keep all the troops that are away from home this year in our thoughts!

I am back in Pensacola as a recruiter. I would like to be there when the bring her home if it happens. Let me know GM232507@yahoo.com

To all my fellow plankowners, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Joyous New Year! I had the priviledge to sail with the best group of sailors I have ever known. I miss you all very much and you are always in my thoughts and prayers. To all the sailors that sailed aboard U.S.S. Ticonderoga (CG 47), I also wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Great Site - miss you TICO guys hit me up at winslowr@firstenergycorp.com - would love to hear from you. I'll get some pics together too.

For all of your information, my new email address is dhenclewski@mac.com

Please make a note of it. In addition the name of the project to save the USS TICONDEROGA as a museum and attraction will be changing to the "Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum" featuring the USS TICONDEROGA (CG-47) the slogan for the the project will be "Bring TICONDEROGA HOME!". Pascagoula, Mississippi. More information will be forth coming.

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well Eric, and to all

Bryon Rowan
Shelby County ARES
N9BCR

Just wanted to wish a Happy Thanksgiving to all!

I would like more information on supporting the museum for the USS Ticonderoga in Pascagola Mississippi. I was stationed on the Ticonderoga during my enlistment. My email is mokar3@hotmail.com.

24 named to Tico Task Force
Thursday, November 08, 2007
By BRAD CROCKER
PASCAGOULA -- Twenty-four people were named this week to the newly created USS Ticonderoga Task Force by the City Council.

The list is composed of city, civic, industry and business leaders, as well as citizens.

The group will be charged with getting the fifth USS Ticonderoga, which was built in Pascagoula, back to town and create a maritime museum.

About $10 million is needed for seed money, site preparations, berthing locations, moorings and other operations. Local supporters say that no tax increases will be required.

Adm. Roland G. "Gil" Guilbault, the ship's first captain, and Pascagoula residents Cmdr. Robert Hardy and Adm. Jim Lisanby, all retired Navy officers, are included on the task force.

Several other military veterans are also in the task force.

Other appointees are Betty Bensey, Frank Corder, Royce Cumbest, Lewis Haw-kins, Dr. Jack Hoover, Bill Jones, Pat Keene, Kay Kell, Roland Kell, John Lewis, Robbie Maxwell, Etienne Melcher, Mary Ellen Spalding, Jerry St. Pé, Robert Stallworth, Phil Teel, Perry Thompson, Alice Walker, Roy Williams and George Wolverton.

Roland Kell, general manager of the Chevron Pasca-goula Refinery, and Teel, corporate vice president and president of Northrop Grumman Ship Systems, were selected to oversee design work.

Williams, a local attorney, will handle the panel's legal issues, said City Manager Kay Kell, who helped create the committee.

David Henclewski with the Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project, who pitched the idea to city officials in September, is also a task force member.

Henclewski, Hoover and Guilbault made the initial presentation, which came from the Pascagoula Renaissance Commission's tourism committee chaired by Hoover.

The Jackson County Board of Supervisors will appoint a committee member soon, Kell said.

When thinking of potential partners, let's not forget General Dynamics. I know that we helped their stock go way up!

LOOKING FOR STG 2 CHRIS DEES IF YOU CAN GET A HOLD OF HIM E-MAIL ME THANX MY EMAIL IS MY mory7698@yahoo.com

Hey Tomie,
How are things, I am trying to find Tim Bray. Have you or anyone else heard from him or know his wherabouts.
Thanks
Ferg

commander cruiser destroyer group eight



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Hello,I was wondering if any of you could tell me what past and present cruiser destroyer group and destroyer squadrons this ship served.I am a ship builder and need the proper decals to finish the model.Thank you to all that served and god bless

I work for Northrop Grumman so if I can help let me know. Do you know what part of the Tico we built?

jimmie.buster@ngc.com

To All:

The Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project is a 501(c) (3) filed with the IRS and a Florida Non Profit Corporation.
The tax ID number for our organization is 20-8271687. With each membership and donation a receipt will be sent with the name of the organization and the tax ID number for the proper accounting for those who participate in the project to place the USS TICONDEROGA (CG-47) as a museum and attraction. You are invited to be a partner in this effort and you may contact my self or Bill Deery with any questions or concerns you may have. In addition you involvement in to process is welcome.

We are presently seeking information on the contractors that built and supplied systems for TICO and the other ships of the class. We know the major players such as Northrop Grumman, Lockheed and Raytheon. In putting together the list, we will be contacting these contractors to ask for partnership in the project while supporting the effort financially. Corporate donation will be a very important part of our fund raising efforts.

Thank you in advance for your support.


David R. Henclewski
FM&WMP
13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden, FL 34878
321-297-8097
dhenclewski@earthlink.net

Joe,

The Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project is a registered 501(c)3 organization with the IRS and is therefore a not-for-profit entity. That means that donations are in fact tax deductible. Donations are any monies collected without consideration for services or products.

While it's still early to discuss details, since many items have not been decided, you can be certain that we will operate our organization to high ethical standards and in transparency. Please feel free to address any concerns you may have to either one of us and we will get back to you as soon as we can.

We live here and work here in the United States and have no ties with Nigeria.

Regards,

Bill Deery
407.719.8191 Cell
bdeery@earthlink.net


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Dave H.

It is my understanding that to claim a charitable contribution as a tax deduction we need to have the tax ID number of the receiving organization. Do you have that number for the Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project?

It's great to hear that plans to save Tico are moving along. Thanks,

Joe

All,

Please keep this discussion civil. Everyone's opinion is valid, but if you cannot express that opinion like an adult I will have to remove your posts. I have much better things to do with my time, as I'm sure you do, so just be respectful and we'll all get along fine.


Joe

For those interested in supporting the placement of the USS TICONDEROGA as a museum and attraction in Pascagoula, Mississippi please note the following:

Primary Contact:
David R Henclewski
Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project
13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden, Florida 34787
Phone: 321-297-8097

Basic membership to the orginization is $20.00 per year.
William Deery is the Membership Chairman.

Your support through information and finances is necessary, appreciated and tax deductable.

Sincerely,

David R Henclewski
Presedent
FM&WMP

I completely agree with you Bryon. If the people who didn't care about the Tico are adament about us not trying to revive her, then why are they a member of the Tico veteran's association? If you are not interested in hearing about Mr. Henclewski and the rest of us save a significant memory in all of our lives, just simply click on the "unsubscribe" message located at the bottom of all of these 'QT' messages and go on about your lives. Here, let me help you in case you can't find it.
http://www.quicktopic.com/6/X/AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk

Have a fantastic day.

BM2 Brandon Yauchler



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Gentleman,

 This is not a matter to get all fustraded about. This is a matter of saving the first and the last of a class. The Ticonderoga may not mean much to some of you, but to others it does. I belive Dave and people like me and many others behind the scenes want to see this go forward and it has. Sure, it may only be a ship, but to others it is apart of their lives. Many sailors spent many years aboard her short life in active duty. But, apart of them will always be with her. If anyone does not wish to participate in seeing her become a museum and want to down the ones who are trying so hard to accomplish this project. Keep your comments to yourself. Dave, Email me your contact info again so I can call you. But to the others who wish to see Ticonderoga be a floating museum I belive dave and the team at the FM&WMP has done a terrific job putting this whole thing togeather. Lets work togeather in accomplishing this goal.

This is the article concerning Jackson County FYI. We will begin a membership drive for the TICO in the next week or so providing an opportunity for your participation.

Sincerely,

Dave Henclewski
FM&WMP

Supervisors endorse Tico move
Tuesday, October 09, 2007
By VETO F. ROLEY
PASCAGOULA -- Count the Jackson County Board of Supervisors as supporters of a move to bring the USS Ticonderoga to Pascagoula as a museum.

However, the support given Monday was for a letter to the Navy to help halt further decommissioning activities and did not include any money for the project.

The Ticonderoga was built in Pascagoula by the Ingalls Shipyard. Former first lady Nancy Reagan christened the Ticonderoga May 16, 1981. The ship was later homeported in Pascagoula before being decommissioned three years ago.

The Mississippi initiative is being assisted by the Florida Maritime and Warship Museum.

According to Frank Corder, speaking on behalf of organizers seeking to bring the USS Ticonderoga back to Pascagoula, the cost of bringing the first Aegis missile cruiser to Mississippi is just under $10.9 million.

Also part of the initial costs are an estimated $1 million for operating the USS Ticonderoga and museum its first year in Pascagoula.

Corder told supervisors that some of the costs associated with bringing the ship to Pascagoula could be reduced by in-kind work provided by volunteers. He said organizers have had numerous calls from former sailors and others who have volunteered their services to help clean out the USS Ticonderoga once it reaches Pascagoula.

Placing the USS Ticonderoga in the river on the East Bank of the Pascagoula River will assist the city with its riverfront and beachfront development projects, Corder said. He said the ship could become the centerpiece of a downtown area that included hotels, restaurants, boat tours and other entertainment.

The ship would also serve as a place for ceremonies, meetings, special speakers, concerts and holiday events, he said.

"It would become a family-friendly area," Corder said, estimating that 150,000 tourists would visit the Ticonderoga each year.

As a comparison, he noted the USS Alabama and Drum, located in Mobile, have more than 300,000 visitors each year. The Alabama is a battleship and the Drum is a submarine parked adjacent to the battleship.

He said a charge of $10 per person would raise $1.5 million to support the ship each year. Additional funding would come from a gift shop, grants, donations and special events, such as tours and overnight events.

"It would be self-supporting," Corder said.

The USS Ticonderoga is the fifth ship to be named after the Revolutionary War battle. The commander of the third Ticonderoga Lt. Cdr. James J. Madison was awarded the Medal of Honor after his ship was sunk in World War I following a battle with a German submarine.

The fourth USS Ticonderoga, a World War II aircraft carrier that saw action into the Vietnam era, participated in the Tonkin Gulf Incident, which led to an active United States combat presence in South Vietnam.

The USS Ticonderoga was also featured in the 1986 Tom Clancy novel Red Storm Rising and in the novel Ticonderoga. In 1995, Mindscape released the computer game Ticonderoga, allowing computer users to captain the ship.

Reporter Veto F. Roley can be reached at vroley@themississippipress.com or (228) 934-1427.

Lott praises Tico' plan
Saturday, October 13, 2007
By BRAD CROCKER
PASCAGOULA -- Sen. Trent Lott praised city and county officials Friday for their attempts to save the USS Ticonderoga and lobby to have it brought back to Pascagoula.

Earlier this month, the Pascagoula City Council and Jackson County Board of Supervisors sent letters to the U.S. Navy's Inactive Ships Program asking that a Jan. 31 date to dismantle the Ticonderoga be postponed.

Representatives of the Florida Maritime and Warship Project proposed bringing the USS Ticonderoga to Pascagoula during the Sept. 18 City Council meeting. The plan calls for berthing the ship on the Pascagoula River and opening it as a warship museum.

The respective letters do not commit either entity financially, but their intent is to buy time for proponents to raise the estimated $10.8 million needed for seed money, site preparations, berthing locations, moorings and other operations.

"It's not a simple matter," Lott said regarding how a ship is saved from the federal scrap yards and turned into a museum.

But the Pascagoula senator added that he "cannot think of a more fitting place" to berth the Tico than the Flagship City, where the ship was built and later christened by former first lady Nancy Reagan in Pascagoula on May 16, 1981.

Lott also stressed that the Ticonderoga (CG-47) built at Ingalls was the first Aegis class guided-missile cruiser ever built and has served as a model for 21st century destroyers.

"It's also an important part of our history," Lott said. "And wherever those type (museum) ships are docked, they are big tourist attractions."

Lott said he applauded city and county officials' wanting to see a business plan, a major component of getting federal support.

The city is considering placing the ship on the banks of the Pascagoula River as part of an overall redevelopment in that area.

Proponents have said that no tax increases or bond issues will be required, and the museum could host as many as 150,000 visitors annually, generate about $1.5 million in income, which could be coupled with in-kind services to pay for maintenance and operations.

About 12 employees, including seven full-time positions, would be needed, city officials were told.

Reporter Brad Crocker can be reached at bcrocker@themississippipress.com or (228) 934-1431.

More good news for TICO.

On Monday, October 8th, 2007 the board of commissioners for Jackson County Mississippi voted yes concerning the placement of the USS TICONDEROGA, CG-47 on the Pascagoula water front. The board will send a letter to the Department of the Navy supporting our effort to save this great ship. This is another step toward saving TICO for the generations.

The Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project needs your help to finance the project. Our first step is to provide a completed application to the Navy to gain title to ex-TICONDEROGA. The first part of the application process is to complete is a feasibility study that will be a part of the application to the Navy. We are also forming a Task Force in Pascagoula of business and community leaders to work locally to coordinate projects necessary for fund raising and site location selection.

Make your donation checks out to:

Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project

Send donations to:

David R Henclewski
Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project
13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden, Florida 34787

Sincerely,

Dave Henclewski
President
FM&WMP

Good to hear things are moving forward. I will send a donation ASAP, don't have $$ right now, but soon.

I do not think Tico would scrapped, too expensive. More likely, she would be sent to the bottom like Valley Forge was. Less time for word to get out they were destroying a perfectly good ship too (heh)

The previous posting says we are "not" in fund raising mode. It should read we are "Now in fund raising mode. Spell check is good, but some how I missed that word in my review. Thanks for your understanding.

Thanks for your understanding,

David R Henclewski

Hello everyone,

The latest article from the Mississippi Press and the City of Pascagoula is attached below. Now that we have taken the first step to save TICO we are not in fund raising mode. Your help in preserving USS TICONDEROGA is very important. Please consider a generous gift to the no profit 501(c)3 organization preparing the way for placing TICO that is tax deductible. We should have a Pay-Pal account within the next week or two. You can send your tax-deductible donation to:

Make your donation checks out to:

Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project

Send donations to:

David R Henclewski
Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project
13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden, Florida 34787

The initial donations will help pay for the costs associated with presenting the Department of the Navy with a completed application to acquire the vessel for placement as a museum. Further donations will support for all phases of the project. Thanks in advance for your help in saving this great ship for the generations.


Council submits Tico letter to Navy
Wednesday, October 03, 2007
By BRAD CROCKER
The Mississippi Press
PASCAGOULA -- The City Council unanimously approved submitting a letter to U.S. Navy to delay the dismantling of the USS Ticonderoga, the first step in bringing the warship to the city and turning it into a floating museum.
 
 
In the letter addressed to the U.S. Navy Capt. David W. Tungett, program manager for the Navy Inactive Ships Program, Mayor Matthew Avara wrote that "it is our understanding that placement of this vessel can and will be done without any cost to the city."
Avara stressed that the letter is nonbinding, but the council liked the proposal as part of the city's future redevelopment of the Pascagoula River.
"We're loading the gun, just not pulling the trigger," said Avara, referring to the future hurdles of securing the ship.
During a Sept. 18 pitch to the council, David Henclewski, president of the Florida Maritime and Warship Project, said his organization and others needed time to raise the $10.8 million needed for seed money, site preparations, berthing locations, moorings and other operations before the ship was sent to the scrap heap by Jan. 31.
The proposed museum, which would be named the Mississippi Maritime and Warship Museum, would be housed in the fifth version of the Ticonderoga (CG-47), which was built at the Ingalls Shipyard in Pascagoula.
It was the Navy's first Aegis class guided-missile cruiser. Former first lady Nancy Reagan christened the ship in Pascagoula on May 16, 1981.
There was applause from the audience Tuesday after the council's vote. The proposal has been discussed in many circles around town, and city officials and volunteer organizations have said that it has garnered the support of citizens.
Dr. Jack Hoover, chairman of the Pascagoula Renaissance Commission's recreation and tourism committee, which generated the idea shortly after Hurricane Katrina, said he was ecstatic with the council's decision.
"This is the beginning of a long journey to get her home," Hoover said. "This will be a great attraction as a museum and an economic boom for the city."
Hoover has said the proposal has caught the attention of state tourism officials and that corporate donations, state and federal grants and in-kind services could cover the costs, without asking for money from taxpayers.
As part of their agreement to the letter of intent, councilmen said they also want to see the business plan and to ensure that the city will not incur any major costs for maintenance or operations.
According to Henclewski's predictions, the Tico museum could open by November 2009 and have 150,000 annual visitors, who would pay about $10 each, which would generate a yearly income of $1.5 million.
About 12 employees, including seven full-time positions, would be needed, he said.
Avara praised citizens for "working so very diligently" on the plan.
Reporter Brad Crocker can be reached at bcrocker@themississippipress.com or (228) 934-1431.

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Our Opinion Save the Tico'
Saturday, September 22, 2007
Saving the USS Ticonderoga from the scrap yard by bringing her home to Pascagoula is one of those big ideas that are becoming almost routine here.

Like the 100 Homes in 100 Days project, the scope of turning the USS Ticonderoga into a floating museum and tourist attraction is big. Like the housing project, the ship plan can work.

Underlying the plan is excitement and pride.

The USS Ticonderoga was decommissioned in 2004 and available for donation as a museum or memorial. The importance of the ship is undeniable. The keel to the 567-foot long ship was laid on Jan. 21, 1980, at Ingalls. The USS Ticonderoga was commissioned in 1983 and began a class of ships that brought new firepower and technology to the Navy.

David Henclewski, president of the Florida Maritime and Warship Project, recently asked the Pascagoula City Council for its help in the $10.8 million project. The city is being asked for its endorsement through a letter to the Navy. Henclewski said fund raising would begin after the relationship between the project and city is affirmed and approved by the Navy.

Henclewski is stressing that while the city's financial help would be appreciated it, is not the key to the project. The project intends to raise money from corporations, in-kind support, grants and other sources. It is the kind of support that made 100 Homes in 100 Days work and there is no reason to doubt there is support to save the "Tico" here and across the nation.

At the Pascagoula Rotary Club meeting, Retired Rear Adm. Roland G. "Gil" Guilbault, the ship's first captain, said a USS Ticonderoga museum would be unique in that it would be the only modern ship available for public tours in a museum setting.

In a presentation to the City Council, Henclewski said the USS Alabama at Mobile attracted 308,791 visitors last year. There were 8 million visitors to 65 battleship museums in the United States generating income of $123 million.

Pascagoula is not just any city with waterfront. This is the place that has helped build the modern Navy through ships such as the USS Ticonderoga. If Pascagoula is interested in becoming a destination location, this is the project that will accomplish that.

i think it would be great for the tico to be back in 'goula. when she was being built, that was a great duty station. it generated a lot of money for the citizens of 'goula, and they treated us plankowners great.
thats two good reasons to go see the tico as a museum.

ewsn steven otto
plankowner
precom-1985

Our efforts to save TICO are coming up with some good press and hopfully positive results. I will post the results of our presentation on 9/18/07 after the meeting.

Ticonderoga may return to Pascagoula as a Navy museum
Saturday, September 15, 2007
By BRAD CROCKER
PASCAGOULA -- The USS Ticonderoga may return to Pascagoula, but this time as a museum.

On Tuesday, the City Council will hear a proposal from local community leaders and representatives with the Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project, aimed at seeking support from communities interested in saving the "Tico."

It will take between $9 million and $11 million to cover seed money, refurbishment of the ship, mooring planning, ship movement and the first-year expenses, said Frank Corder, chairman of the Pascagoula Renaissance Commission and Pascagoula Economic Development Advisory Council.

The ship being proposed for a museum is the fifth version of the Ticonderoga, the CG 47, which was the U.S. Navy's first Aegis class guided-missile cruiser.

It was built at the Ingalls Shipyard, and former first lady Nancy Reagan commissioned the ship in Pascagoula on May 16, 1981.

If approved, the museum could open to the public in 2009.

Mayor Matthew Avara said Friday he did not know too many details but liked the idea and has been aware of citizens' contributions.

"I would love to see it happen because she (CG 47) was built in Pascagoula. I would love to see her back here," Avara said.

Long-term maintenance and related costs, safety issues and other factors, as well as logistics, will have to be ironed out "but I certainly welcome the opportunity and appreciate what our citizens have done so far," Avara added.

Supporters will have to request that the Naval Sea Systems Command extend the hold status on the Ticonderoga, and Corder said funds will need to be raised for the overall project and application to have the ship donated.

The final phase, Corder said, would center around preparations for a berth site, a hurricane mooring system, site development, parking and a Quonset-style military building to house a museum gift shop, offices and ship access.

The ship would also undergo refurbishment and preparation for towing to Pascagoula.

Grants and other funding sources, along with fund-raisers are also being planned, Corder added.

Dr. Jack Hoover of Pascagoula, chairman of the PRC's recreation and tourism committee, has been working with retired Rear Adm. Roland G. "Gil" Guilbault, the ship's first captain, and others to pitch the idea to city leaders.

"We hope the community will rally around this effort," Hoover said in a news release Friday. "It has the potential to be a project that can set Pascagoula apart and provide a much needed tourist destination."

Front Street, along the Pascagoula River, is one site being considered, said Frank Corder, chairman of the PRC and Pascagoula Economic Development Advisory Council. Because of the ship's size, areas near the mouth of the Pascagoula River or just south of the U.S. 90 High-rise Bridge would be likely locations.

Corder pointed out that Mississippi does not have a combatant ship as a museum or tourist spot.

"Pascagoula would be the perfect place," he said. "It will not only fit our redevelopment plans, but it will also spark an economic impact for our local businesses."

The PRC was created by the City Council shortly after Hurricane Katrina. A battleship museum concept was discussed by Hoover and his committee two years ago, as well as other ventures designed to increase tourism.

Reporter Brad Crocker can be reached at bcrocker@themississippipress.com or (228) 934-1431.

To Go

What: Proposal to bring USS Ticonderoga to Pascagoula as a museum

When: 6 p.m. Tuesday, City Council meeting

Where: Council chambers, City Hall, 603 Watts Ave.

The Secretary of the Navy has named the DDG-111. The last AEGIS ship is scheduled to be the DDG-112 and we are asking him to name it USS TICONDEROGA thus making the first and last AEGIS ships have the same name. Something unique in Navy History.

On the home page of www.bigt.net there is a canned letter to him asking for this to happen. It is at the bottom of the page. Please open it and copy it and change to your liking and mail as soon as possible. Get your parents and friends to write also. We need a surge of letters at this time to stay in the running.

Thanks for your help in this.

Your shipmate,

Ed Trotter
62-65

My msg below did not list correct website for canned letter.

The Secretary of the Navy has named the DDG-111. The last AEGIS ship is scheduled to be the DDG-112 and we are asking him to name it USS TICONDEROGA thus making the first and last AEGIS ships have the same name. Something unique in Navy History.

On the home page of this website there is a canned letter to him asking for this to happen. It is at the bottom of the page. Please open it and copy it and change to your liking and mail as soon as possible. Get your parents and friends to write also. We need a surge of letters at this time to stay in the running.

Thanks for your help in this.

Your shipmate,

Ed Trotter
62-65

I just wanted to stop in and say hey to everyone and check in and see how things are going. As for the future pans for the TICO, I hope they decide on a location somewhere in the south. It was the first in its class and should be displayed for historical reasons. As for Nick Horvath, I do remember him, he was an OS and a pretty good guy. I have seen him in the past few year a few times, he is was still in the Navy as of a few years ago and he has now become an officer. I believe he was an ensign or a JG when i saw him. I do in fact believe he was wrong in making the statements about the restoration of the TICO. But in his defense, those of us that knew him know that he might just be messin around. (he was sometimes full of shit). Nick was onboard the whole time i was there i believe from 1991 to 1994. I know others like Eric Young and Joe Partlow remember him so they know what i mean by he was sometimes full of shit. Anyways, maybe he became an officer and turned into an asshole, it happens you know.

Hello all,

Sorry I've been absent from the site for a while, but we recently completed an interstate move and started new jobs. Needless to say, it's been a bit crazy lately. Anyway, it's good to hear that things may be progressing with Louisiana. I'll update the ussticonderoga.com site to reflect the latest developments.

Regarding the recent mess here, there was a guy on Tico when I was there named Nick Horvath. If I remember correctly, he was an OS. I think the best thing we can do in this case, and with any future disgruntled vets, is to ignore the comments. Guys like that are just looking for a reaction, so by responding we're "feeding the troll," so to speak.

Finally, Ted Coats, a retired Navy vet who lives in Philly, was kind enough to send me some very recent photos of Tico. I'll be putting them in the photo section of the site in the next few days here, so watch for that.

Fair winds and following seas,

Joe Knight
ussticonderoga.com

I just want to keep up the great and dedicated work to preserve the Ticonderoga. I hope that one day I will be able to take my kids to see her one more time. Thanks for all your hard work!.


Jim Saucier RMSN 1983-1986
www.sportsembroiderycenter.com

Afternoon Gentleman,

 I just got a letter back from Mobile Alabama. Unfortunately there are not inclined at this time to have the ticonderoga in the state. I did recive a phone call from the Port in Louisianna on friday. They asked me several Questions Regarding her over all condition. I answered it to the best of my ability and I belive we may have a good strong hold on this. I will keep you all posted. Have a great weekend guys.

Bryon Rowan
Shelby County EMA

Nick Horvath, you obviously have no clue what it is to belong to a special brotherhood glued by fibers woven by men who served USS Ticonderoga CG-47. If you were a member of the crew, shame on you for not wanting to be part of an honorable tasking! The people investing their time, money and faith in preserving history come from all corners of our country. This includes the honored veterans from past Ticonderoga's like CV-14. So don't belittle our effort!

I guess you have forgotten some basic principles, your privilege to freedom of the press wasn't free at all. It was earned by service men past and present, so that people like you can enjoy the rights you have today. Therefore your cheap shot at our efforts to preserve Ticonderoga doesn't earn you any points.

"Those of us who served the Ticonderoga are proud to be bonded by a brotherhood of honor."

Nice try there, Horvath. Look Pal, if you have nothing positive to add to the conversation, then why don't you slither back under the rock you came from and leave the work that is being done to the real men.

whats up doc?? kirby here still alive. the tico will never die. admiral guilbeiue is on it. admiral david jerimiah agrees. the tico needs to be preserved as her sailings, weapontry, and radar systems opened the doors and changed naval history. I for one am proud to have served as were 99.99% of the fleet. Take a seat and close the big trap and if you do not like what is on the site click off and never return. a fire hose and a blanket party are what yopu need . thanks doc for straightening him out. email me _ak8472@aol.com_ (mailto:ak8472@aol.com) later chief



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Afternoon Gentleman,

 I have spoken with sevreal members from the Gulf Port Louisiana area. Since they are trying to rebuild and bring people down into the area; The Tico may have that potential. As soon as I get the word from them I am going to have Dave send the Proposal to them. I have not given up the fight. Dave and his group and my group and myself are working hard to save what means alot to each of you.

 As far as the latest post from a a Nick Horvath, I dont see him listed anywhere. We will always have people wanting to prevent us from preserving history. My assumption is she would be live fired or reefed if we didnt get our extension.

I just wanted to update you all on my progression. It may not be much but it seems to keep the hope up in all of us. I belive all of us togeather will preserve the USS Ticonderoga CG 47. Have a great week fellas, and I'll keep you posted

Bryon Rowan
Shelby County EMA
Amatuer Radio Division N9BCR
Shelby County Skywarn Shelby County Ohio

Was there ever a sailor by the name of Horvath on Tico? If so, take your own advice, get a life and move on and let us go on with what is important in our lives. HMC(SW)Michael A. Blair U.S.N. (ret)
---- QT - Nick Horvath <qtopic+6-AQm2Rp9WfP87k5BFKoHk@quicktopic.com> wrote: < replied-to message removed by QT >

Seems there's to much whining and complaining on this site. You guys all crying about where to put the Tico.Who cares, turn the freking thing into razor blades or something. All you people fighting to get the Tico set up as a museum or something need to get a life and move on.

Thanks to the letter written to CNO Admiral Mullen by RADM Guilbault the USS TICONDEROGA has been given more time on donation hold. The Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project is still qualifying perspective sites. We would like to thank RADM Guilbault, the ships first CO, for his help in the effort to save the USS TICONDEROGA and those who have invested time and money to see the ship saved. Enclosed is the letter sent from the CNO's office concerning the extension of time on hold status for TICO. Feel free to contact me at any time for information or support of the effort to place the ship as a museum and attraction. Your support is necessary to move forward to preserve our history and heritage for future generations.


RADM Guilbault:

Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding extending the donation hold on ex-TICONDEROGA (CG 47) until the end of calendar year 2007. I am responding on behalf of the Chief of Naval Operations.

By the attached correspondence, the Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project (FWMMP) was advised CG 47 had been placed on hold for potential donation pending the submission of a viable plan for obtaining ex-TICONDEROGA. A plan was not provided to COMNAVSEASYSCOM and subsequently the hold expired on 30 June 2007.

On 1 July 2007, CG 47 was placed on hold in support of an internal Navy investigation into the feasibility of obtaining an AEGIS cruiser as a supplemental test ship. That hold will expire on 11 August 2007.

To accommodate your request, CG 47 will be placed back on donation hold on 12 August 2007 until 31 January 2008 to allow FWMMP additional time to submit a viable plan. As outlined in the previous correspondence to FWMMP, their donation plan must meet certain criteria. A copy of that correspondence is attached. COMNAVSEASYSCOM (PMS 333) will be providing an update on the progress of FWMMP's donation plan during the next CNO Ship Disposition Review to be held sometime in February 2008. If PMS 333 determines that FWMMP has made significant progress in the submission of their donation plan, an additional extension until 30 June 2008 will be considered.

I will ensure this new agreement is communicated directly to FWMMP in writing.


Respectfully,
Mr. Jim McCarthy
Deputy Director, Warfare Integration Division (N8FB)
Office of the Chief of Naval Operations

Came across an interesting bit of information that I thought I'd share here with the group. Seems the problem with the Port Canaveral location is that Mr. Payne has something else up his sleeve for Jetty Park that TICO would have interfered with. Seems Mr. Payne is trying to roll Jetty Park into the Ron Jon Resort project that's been languishing on for the past two years. Apparently he wants to hand the running of Jetty Park over to the Ron Jon Hotel that’s supposed to be built. So basically he’s handing the park over to a commercial venture. Wonder how much grease is going into his pockets from the deal?

Byron and Dave,

Dave, as you know I've been helping you collect data for CG-47. Standing by to assist further.
P.S. I wasn't aware you were still working on saving the TICO. When you can please provide us all a quick update. Thanks

Gentleman, I just got off the phone with Philidelphia, They are in negotiations on weather or not to put her back on Donation Hold. As soon as I know, I will let you know and we all togeather and you too Dave on getting her. I have faith in you all and I know as a team we can get her. I have a good strong contact in virginia and they sem to be really interested in her. Dave I am emailing you shortly.

mobile alabama might take her. also fall river massachusettes has just expanded their deep water where the battleship massachusettes is bearthed


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FYI

The Florida Maritime and Warship Museum Project is still working to save USS TICONDEROGA as a museum. We are in conversations with two possible locations in Mississippi and two locations in Florida. We are following up with the proposals that were sent to qualify a location that will support the project. More to come in the coming days.

Dave Henclewski
FMWMP

Gentlemen Of the Ticonderoga,

 I have recived word from NAVSEA Philidelphia.I was asked if I was still interested in the Tico as a museum. If any of you have Idelas on where It may be except port canavral. Please let me know. I will work hard to preserve her. I dont go down without a fight.

IS THERE A POSSABILITY OF GETTING THE TICO TO THE WEST COAST?

hey i think #3 was the new jersey

hello john, #1 dreadnot, #2nimitz, # ?, #4 tico, not too bad huh. take it easy. steve

Steve, thanks for the info. Which ships rounded the top three? Take Care.

whats up guys, i dont know if any of you caught a show recently on discovery channel, called worlds mightiest fighting ships, the uss ticonderoga came in at #4

hello gentlemen, any updates on the fate of our ship?

David,
I want to thank you for your efforts in presenting the TICO Museum pitch to the Port Authority. Sounds like they are a real classy bunch that probably should be run out of town. In a previous email, I suggested looking into Baltimore's Inner Harbor as a location. The Baltimore Maritime Museum currently has USS Constellation, USS Torsk, USCGC Taney and Lightship Cheasapeake. These ships are berthed around the Baltimore Aquarium, across the harbor from Fort McHenry and Camden Yards. This area is the centerpiece of the city's downtown area with thousands of visitors daily and less than 50 miles from the US Naval Academy. Their website is www.baltomaritimemuseum.org. I emailed admin@baltomaritimemuseum.org after our email exchange but did not get a reply. The address is:
Baltimore Maritime Museum
802 South Caroline Street
Baltimore, MD 21231 Phone:410-396-3453

Please consider contacting them ASAP before we lose TICO for good. I believe you would have more luck getting information than I would. If contact is made and there is an interest on their part, let me know what I can do to help since I live about 90 minutes south of Baltimore.

Here is a copy of the letter sent to Port Canaveral concerning our presentation. Any help you can provide will be much appreciated.

May 25, 2007

Commissioner Raymond P. Sharkey
Canaveral Port Authority
P. O. Box 267
Cape Canaveral, FL 32920


Subject: Presentation for a warship museum at Port Canaveral


Dear Commissioner Sharkey;

The Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project would like to thank Port Canaveral for the opportunity to present our vision for a maritime museum at Jetty Park. We spent many hours in preparation and research of all aspects concerning the project. Our hope was that you would be pleased with our presentation and that it showed the serious and professional approach our organization took in proposing our vision for the future.
It is unfortunate that we were not made aware of the recommendation of the Port staff in writing prior to our presentation. Consequently, we were taken by surprise at the intention of the rebuttal which afforded little or no opportunity for an adequate response. Furthermore it was apparent that the commission and staff were not positively disposed concerning our presentation whose provisions were not considered in the staff’s rebuttal.
As such we would like to take the opportunity to address the basis for the staff rebuttal, a copy of which we received after our presentation when we requested it from Donna Phemister.
1. It is appropriate to say that land at Port Canaveral is at a premium. Staff is working hard to expand Port Canaveral to increase business operations on all fronts, cruise and cargo, but we have been strapped because of a lack of space available with a long list of companies interested. We are actively working on cruise opportunities for our last available cruise terminals, CT-3 and CT-4, as well.
Response: This statement, as it relates to the museum project, concerns areas that have nothing to do with the proposed area or the operation of a museum in Jetty Park. Space may be at a premium which is why our group proposed a location which did not interfere with existing plans and working areas at the port. The location proposed for USS TICONDEROGA at Jetty Park does not infringe upon the terminals mentioned, which have been stagnant for several years despite the active working to provide lease agreements with an appropriate cruise line.
2. The USS Ticonderoga proposed site would block future expansion of the South Side cruise terminals, potentially harming future business. This project would also cause major landside logistics issues.
Response: It is highly unlikely that the South Side cruise terminals will expand into the Jetty Park area, which is where the proposed site for USS TICONDEROGA is located. The statement that the ships location would harm business is not true as the ship museum would draw far more visitors through the south side of the port than are making the trek presently. This increased traffic between Highway 528 and Jetty Park would increase business and land values in the area.
To answer the major landslide logistics issue, while mentioning the excavation part of the removal of material, we were laughed at as not allegedly knowing the engineering necessary to make such a plan work. To the contrary the case is that making a slip constructed in the way that we are advocating is standard engineering practice for sea walls. With corrugated piling walls (50’to 55’ in length) driven into the bed with strong men installed at the required positions there would be no landslide logistic issues. Using the slip as a dry-dock area although feasible is a more expensive option that may not be appropriate for this project.
The excavation of the top eight feet to ten feet is clean virgin fill and there would be no problem disposing of this material. Below the 10’ depth is virgin clay and this could be removed with a back hoe. The dredging of the remaining material would be handled as an excavation item per the EPA. The only dredging area that would need EPA compliance would be that at the opening of the slip to the ship channel. EPA permits and approvals would need to be an issued if the removed material was to be put on a barge and dumped at sea. This option for disposal would be the most cost effective way to dispose of the clay material from the slip area. The permitting process for this disposal would not take long due to the condition of the virgin clay removed from the area. Although some permitting can take up to two years to complete, the majority of the project permits could be obtained with in six months to one year except for the EPA driven dredging permits necessary within the existing channel.
To think that there is something unique or dangerous about this type of sea wall construction and site development shows a lack of research and knowledge of the process. We do not believe the port staff or commissioners lack knowledge in this area. We do believe that only negative scenarios were considered.
Our time table is aggressive for placing the USS TICONDEROGA. We realize the process will take longer than is published in our detailed document distributed to you on May 16, 2006. Our goal is to promote a sense of urgency to action for completion making the adjustments necessary to complete the project in the least amount of time possible.
3. This proposal will negatively impact Jetty Park, robbing it of space.
Is the staff saying that the USS TICONDEROGA will prevent expansion of the cruise terminal into Jetty Park; this is not consistent with the ports plans for the future; or will the USS TICONDEROGA rob the Jetty Park of space? Jetty Park is a place set aside for camping, beach, entertainment and public use. Our proposal will not negatively impact Jetty Park and would make excellent use of the space. Few camping sites would be affected and a new layout of the camping areas would provide more efficient use of the available space for camping. There will be an increase in visitors to the area providing more parking revenue, more beach goers and more people working, visiting and spending money in the area which will be good for all concerned. With the depressed nature of this area of the Port the Maritime Museum with USS TICONDEROGA as the focal point would provide a great influx of opportunity for the future.
4. Finally, we have very serious concerns involving the environment, safety and ultimate cost of this project.

To what serious environment and safety concerns is the staff refering? The engineering, permits, safety fencing, concrete apron, insurance plan and other details of starting and running this museum are all a part of the initial start up costs for the project and the first year’s operating expenses. These items are covered in the detailed presentation provided to you at the presentation.

The financing of the project is to be raised by the Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project. At no time in any of our documents or presentation did we ever ask the Port of Canaveral to finance the project. We did ask for a letter of interest be sent to the Navy being contingent upon our ability to raise the money necessary to fund the project and a lease agreement for the area the USS TICONDEROGA would occupy at Jetty Park when financing can be secured.

Conclusion:

Based on our very extensive review of this proposal, staff cannot support the USS Ticonderoga project and in fact, strongly urges the Commission to vote “No”.

This is a very strong conclusion considering the lack of substance included in the four points listed above. It is apparent that the documentation, research and source material the Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project provided was not considered in the decision process as the commission had no time to review the detail document and it seemed that your staff ignored its content. It would have been much more appropriate to delay the vote until a fair assessment can be rendered.

It was also stated that the project was too big for the area. We would take issue with that assessment from both a financial and ship size consideration. Yes, the ship would have a high profile presence which would be a tremendous draw to the area. The financial plan and the development of the area would pay dividends into the future while limiting risk for the Port by having the Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project the owner of the project, museum and the ship. Considering that the Port would provide only the location and that the investment would come from other sources the Port would win on both recognition and revenue with only the area as the investment.
When we arrived at your new facility to set up for our presentation a lady passed through the meeting room. I ask who she was. Her answer was “I am the CFO”. I introduce Bill Deery to the CFO and she left the room. This was the only introduction to the staff at the Port afforded us during our visit. At no time did the staff make us feel welcome. In fact we were ignored. We felt as though the entire group was unapproachable.
Furthermore we had a very hard time understanding the actions of Stan Payne, the port CEO and one of the staff members. They got up and started a conversation during the beginning of our presentation and then talked the entire way as they left the room. This was extremely rude and not a way to treat a those who had come to see the presentation or the presenters. This is not proper edict or protocol in the treatment of individuals, companies or groups that visit your facility. In fact we never met or were properly introduced to the staff member that gave the rebuttal. It did not seem like a good atmosphere for doing business of any type with the CEO or any member of his staff.
We request a fair hearing concerning our project proposal and a vote that considers all the details of the project. It is evident to us an others that our group and proposal was rejected with out due course or a proper review. If we could have had an open dialogue with the staff instead of being summarily dismissed the outcome may have been much different. It seems obvious that Stan Payne does not want to work with us in any way to improve the Port area. Port Canaveral needs an attraction like the USS TICONDEROGA to revitalize the southeastern area of the Port. Our hope is that you provide us an even playing field and provide our group the opportunity to be considered seriously.
Sincerely,
David R. Henclewski
President
FW&MMP

William G. Deery
Vice President
FW&MMP

Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project
13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden, Florida 34787
Phone: 321-297-8097
             407-719-8191


CC Stan Payne, CEO Port Canaveral
       Senator Bill Nelson, State of Florida
       Rep. Dave Weldon, State of Florida

Looking for IC men that serviced aboard the Ti CVA14 from 1957-1965

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Wishing all Ticonderoga sailors a Happy Memorial Day.

Amen to that Mr. Otto!

god save the TICO she may need divine intervention,

how about long beach ca. or san pedro ca.. they used to have a navy base in lb also theres alot of attractions here in lb and san pedro, queen mary ect...also how would u get tico out here tow barged?? just a thought hate to see her leave like that..darren dc2 89 - 93

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I’m a business owner in the area so I have an interest in the political shenanigans of Brevard County. I also have some associates that work in and for the port. Ron Jon's snub - Ron Jon's has been wanting to get their hands into Jetty Park for a while. In their proposal for the new gaudy hotel they intend to build they attempted to slip their way into Jetty Park but the Port Canaveral Authority corrected them on that little aspect of their scheme. So I wouldn’t be surprised if Ron Jon’s ‘suggested’ to the port that TICO would be a bad thing since Ron Jon’s cant get their hands on Jetty Park they aren’t going to roll over and play dead to someone else trying to get in there. The port panders to Disney and the cruise line so makes sense they would do for Ron Jon’s to. How a 14 story surfboard fits into the port and their smooth sailing thing dumbfounds everybody I know. Its going to make the place look like the Vegas Strip. I'd bet if you painted a big blue C on the side of TICO Mr. Payne would have dug the hole for you himself. The joke around the tenants at the port is the only thing that interests that man is his beloved C and the way things look. The Ron Jon’s monstrosity and the big C are about his only claim to fame since he came to the port. Makes you wonder that being he’s a lawyer – must not have been a very good one because I’m sure a good lawyer makes a whole lot more money then what he makes at the port. He’s not well respected by the tenants or the people that work for him but there stuck until he sets sail for somewhere else.

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David H, Bill D, and to all the others who worked so hard to save Ticonderoga,

Thank You! All of you went above and beyond of what could have been asked of anyone.

With the short time left, I thought of a possible location. What about the Alabama Memorial Park in Mobile AL. They already have the Battleship Alabama BB-60 and a WWII Sub USS Drum. Plus Aircraft, tanks and a gift ship. I believe, from the URL picture, that the location has infrastructure to support another ship. The URL has contact info and details. I'll attach it at the end of this message.
You guys did the best you could under difficult conditions. Again Thank You.
V/R
John Colon
http://www.ussalabama.com/

We need some feet on the ground. Please talk to some people at perspective locations and see if they will consider placing TICONDEROGA. We will help with a presentation document electronicly and provide it to the contact person or send it directly. There is only 45 days left to get a letter of intent to the Navy. We need some qualified leads that will fast track a proposal document to a perspective location to get a yes or no for TICO. All we need is to qualify or disqualify specific location sites. We really need some hands on help over the next month.

Sincerely

Dave Henclewski

I want to express my deepest sorrow and apologies concerning our failed effort. I also want to thank you personally for all your hard work and investment. I have the pencil drawing for you when we get together next. I feel that the only way there would have been a different outcome was to have a $15million dollar check in our hands and even that may have not been enough to win the projects approval.
 
Our meeting was rather like a light weight boxer going into the ring with a 300 pound professional wrestler. We showed our best side, then the wrestler grabs the microphone and tells what a piece of garbage we are then body slams the boxer to the matt at which time the referee tells the wrestler not to sugar coat it which is followed the wrestler being declared the winner by the referee and the wrestler kicks the downed boxer out of the ring while spitting in the general direction of the crushed opponent. Yes, it was ugly.
 
It was very interesting to see what was written by Kevin. He must live in the area. I wish he could have been available to help us. In fact, Kevin could you get in touch with either Bill Deery or myself some time this week? Did you see the presentation?
 
 
As far as the political climate is concerned, the only way to see which way the political wind blows is to go to the meetings. Even then, we would not have been able to know the atmosphere because they are a very tight and seemingly closed group with a very distant and cold working style.
 
As far as the staff was concerned, including Stan, I felt we were ignored while we were there. When I spoke with the CFO she had a rather distant attitude when I asked who she was and introduced myself, rather like her position makes her unapproachable. I also found it exceptionally rude that Stan left the meeting during our presentation only returning when we had almost completed.
 
The staff played their cards close to the chest. In hind sight I feel our first indication that we were in for trouble with Donnas first answer to us concerning the ports position on such projects and Ron Jon's snub. But others I knew from the area said go for it, the port has nothing for drawing people and developing the south side of the port. I had spoken to so many people in the area over the last few years and I thought any effort would be better than none considering the what is not located at the port. The staff approached our presentation was as if it was their project and that the money and resources would come out of their own pockets. Their only "rebuttal" was to slam the project down hard. The statement that was read gave no possibility for discussion. In fact their belittling of me when I mentioned the excavation issue more than anything made me realize the folly in continuing the discussion any further. And yes, it was a bitter pill to swallow.
 
I am still depressed over the failed effort. And yes I would do it again. This submariner has acquired a love for a ship that I never served on but know the attachment of those who have. If there are any further ideas or considerations out there we still have a month and a half before our time is up. I will work to the end of that time. I will change the detailed proposal out to fit for Jacksonville, Riviera Beach, Miami, Tampa, St. Pete and Savannah. I am not sure what will come of it. I also think we should contact other museum ships that may think of adding TICO to their exhibits.
 
Sincerely,
David R. Henclewski

Bill I had made mention to dave about the port of Pascagoula MS. I am sure someone where she was homeported would love to see her shine amongst them again.
  Bryon Rowan
  

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Okay.

This is how I see the current situation. It's pretty bleak. The Navy gave the project until June 30th to submit, among other things, a letter of intent from the land owners of where the ship might be sited. It's a long shot at best. If you really want to see Ticonderoga become a musuem, then you must take action! Nothing less will do. Call the local Port Authorities, or parks and recreation departments, and see if they would be interested in a project like this. Frankly, I don't care where she is placed, just so long as she is saved.

Now, it's up to you all. If you get any hot leads, be sure that David or I will follow up with them. You may contact me at bdeery@earthlink.net. I am also on Windows Messenger at that same address.

What are you made of? I am calling you out! Lets see what happens.


Regards,
Bill Deery

This might sound crazy, and i do not know if irt is possible but in columbus ga. there is a cival war museum. If the tico could go there, it would fit in with the historical plan. Was there a tico cival war era vessel?


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I'll bet you the port of call cruise ships at Port Canaveral would like to have TICO there. That would be a nice tour to sell onboard as a sightseeing option for passengers. I’ll be the home ported cruise lines like Disney, Carnival, and Royal Caribbean would like to see TICO there to sell as a pre/post cruise tour. From what I hear about the Port Canaveral Authority, when the mouse squeaks they jump and jump high and jump through hoops for the mouse and all the cruise lines. I’ll bet you the Tourist Development Council would like to see TICO there, and would probably endorse it. I’ll bet you a lot of the hoteliers and restaurateurs would like to see TICO there to help boost their business. But you know, there are 13 other deep water ports in Florida besides Canaveral. Wouldn’t that be a kicker to bring TICO home to another of Florida’s ports, turn it into a smashing success which we all know it would be, then look at the Port Canaveral Authority and their delusional CEO with egg on their face and their tenants screaming them down with ‘you could have had that here boosting ALL of our businesses.’

The meeting was horrendous. First, they started talking about how the Port was being mandated to enact all kinds of rezoning areas of business as "restricted access" by Homeland Security and FDLE. Then, they opened the floor to anyone and at least six different business owners got up and pleaded with the commission not to go ahead with the new zoning. The Staff recommended an appeal to Tallahassee, which was approved. Needless to say, the tension was thick. Then we got up. It was ridiculous to have to follow something like that. Clearly, the commission was between a rock and a hard place. They got hammered by these tennants of the port and then got up to make our presentation.

After I finished, the Chairman asked for the Staff's recommendation report. Or should I say, "Condemnation" report. The first couple words out of this guys mouth included the word, "rebuttal". Not good. We were done even before we showed up today. The Staff had done their homework and had already came to their conclusion. The new "land use manager" "vehemently" recommended that the commission not approve the museum. David and I were deeply disappointed. I spent $300.00 of my own money on copies of the formal presentation. Really disappointing.

We did a walk through of the area and Kevin is right. There are all kinds of 10' high chain link fences everywhere. These "terminals" that they "plan" to use later in the future were clearly sitting fallow for years. Nothing has been happening there, and I doubt nothing will. Why would anyone take their family there is beyond me.

Above it all, it was a good lesson. I think we could have saved ourselves a lot of aggravation if we checked out the political environment first. Maybe make a few more contacts and establish relationships. But all that takes time, more than just 4 months.

It has been my pleasure to be a part of this effort. As humiliating as it was, I would do it over again in a heart beat. There are no finer group of people on God's green earth than my fellow veterans. God willing, maybe some other solution will present itself. Looks pretty bleak from my perspective, though.

Godspeed, Ticonderoga.

Bill Deery

so what the fuck is all that bullshit and hell is going on. what a bunch of fuckin losers

Well unfortunately the Port Canaveral Authority totally stonewalled the project for TICO at Port Canaveral saying it doesn’t fit into plans and business. Their only vision is cargo and cruise – which by the looks of things isn’t going to well when you consider so far this year they lost like 3 cruise ships. The CEO keeps blowing his horn about new opportunities on the horizon and all that but he’s been saying that since he took charge and I don’t see any new cargo or cruises worth mention. If a ship like TICO doesn’t fit into the port then how the heck does a Ron Jon Surf Hotel fit in? What the hell does surfing have to do with a seaport that has a long standing USN presence? Oh and don’t forget the big maritime museum they want to build which will probably be just a bunch of pictures of days gone by. Without a ship you have no maritime museum worth traveling to. Now TICO along with the planned museum –that’s a reason to make a trip for the weekend and that would draw people to Port Canaveral as a destination. Mr. Payne sees Port Canaveral as a travel destination – like hell! Other then a few bars and restaurants, a beach, and a cruise if your going to take one – isn’t anything else to do and certainly nothing that people are going to specifically travel to.

Hello Ticonderoga Shipmate -
 
The Ticonderoga needs your help!
 
David Henclewski of GES, and the Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project will be making thier formal presentation to the Cape Canaveral Port Authority on May 16th.
 
Needless to say this is a critical step in making the Ticonderoga CG47 a floating museum, and keep her from being sunk as a target.
 
We are asking everyone to please send thier thoughts and feelings on what the Ticonderoga meant to them and why it is important to keep her afloat. We need as many reponses as possible. This is a chance for everyone to lend a hand.
 
Please send all comments to
 
dhenclewski@ges.com
 
or myself davidgraf88@comcast.net
 
 
More information on this project can be found on the Ticonderoga website
 
www.ussticonderoga.com
 
 
Being as it is crunch time, we are asking if all comments could be sent out by friday, May 11th
 
We appreciate everyones help, and hope to hear from all.
 
Please feel free to ask any questions.
 
 
Best Regards
 
David Graf
OS2 1985-1988

Edgar, I am sending out 5 letters tomorrow. I am even sending one to the president. Who knows, we all might be able to make Naval History.

Please go to the homepage of www.bigt.net and join us in writing to the Secretary of the Navy and your State represenatives/governors to get the last AEGIS ship, DDG-112 named USS TICONDEROGA. That would be unique in that the first and last AEGIS platforms would be named USS TICONDEROGA. Time is short and every letter is important. If you do nothing else for the organization please do this. The form letters are available for your download and you can also modify them as you wish.

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hey kirby of course i remember you. how you been man.

If I recall...(and I may be incorrect here), there can never be another ship named the same so long as the previous still exists, whether decom or not.


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I would love to help. You have my support. I am not sure what they name DDG's after. Judging by naming these days they could call it the USS SHOE.


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Hello all,

Ed Trotter is asking for help in trying to convince the Navy to name the last Aegis ship, DDG-112, USS Ticonderoga. If that were to happen then both the first and last Aegis ships would bear that name. If you'd like to help Ed with this project, please contact him at edgar.trotter@navy.mil.

Joe

Hello All,

Our effort to save USS TICONDEROGA is well on the way to our presentation on May 16th at Port Canaveral. The letters that are written to the CEO of the port will be presented to him the day of the presentation as a part of the project detail and will also be used as a part of the application to the Navy. Letters of support are needed from individuals and orginizations to provide a base of support that can help our effort.
For those sending letters of support for the project to save the USS TICONDEROGA as a museum. Address you letters to:

Stan Payne Chief Executive Officer
Canaveral Port Authority
PO Box 267
Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920

but send all letters to:

 David R Henclewski
FW&MMP 13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden, Florida 34787

or to either of the two below email address:

 dhenclewski@earthlink.net
 dhenclewski@ges.com

We would prefer to get your letters via email and put them together with the presentation and application to the Navy.
 
Thanks very much for your support. I look forward to working with you all as this effort goes forward. Donations can be sent to:

 
David R Henclewski
FW&MMP
13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden, Florida 34787
The Florida Warship & Maritime Museum Project is a non profit Florida Corporation and a 501c3 non profit filed with the IRS.

Make checks payable to:

David R Henclewski

We are in the process of setting up our corporate account this week. The name is "Florida Warship & Maritime Museum Project, Inc." and I will notify you when the account is changed so that donations from that time forward can be made directly to the project. We are also in the process of setting up a credit card merchant account linked to our web site which is in development and should be up and running within the next couple of weeks.
If you have any questions feel free to call me at 321-297-8097.
Thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,
David R. Henclewski

Hello All,

Greg Armento has worked with our before putting together the web site for USS DES MOINES and will help us with the presentation for Port Canaveral and our web site for the future. We need to pay for this service through contributions. We are sending out the call for financial help. The presentation will cost us about $2,500.00. Greg is very good and you can check out what he has done on his web site listed below. Of course this is no guarantee that we will win the project with the Port, but it will give us a much better chance. The contributions will be tax deductible. Of course any person or group who can help would be welcome and appreciated. We need to raise the funds as soon as possible.

The presentation will include video of the ship, a computer generated model of the ship and an animation of the ship going into its mooring and Power Point. I am presently working to get a local radio host to narrate the 12 minute presentation. We are working on a dimensional model of the ship in a diorama of the site along with story boards of the ship and the project.

Any amount above that listed above will help to pay for graphic production and miscellaneous expenses which will be documented for review and accounting. The presentation is less than one month away scheduled for May 16th, 2007 so our time is short. In addition we only have until the end of June of this year to get a commitment for a berth to the Navy or this great ship will be disposed of for scrap or target. If any of you have any contacts or persons that would be interested in helping in financing this presentation please put them in contact with Bill Deery or myself. If I can provide you with any information about our group or our status as a Florida non profit corporation and an on file 501c3 with the IRS just let me know. Your help is needed and appreciated.

We are only raising funds presently to provide a presentation. Other seed monies necessary will be raised later. In addition RADM Guilbault who was USS TICONDEROGA's first CO is very interested in helping in our effort. This is great news and will be a great benifit for our effort.

Thanks very much,

David R. Henclewski
Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project

13023 Suburban Terrace

Winter Garden, Florida 34787

Phone: 321-297-8097

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oh… one more thing; when viewing the model, you can hold down the LEFT mouse button to move around the scene; and hold down the RIGHT mouse button to zoom in and out of the scene.

http://www.forthosewhowait.com/warship/model_ticonderoga.html

on 4/13 Jonathan Carpenter posted: What do you think the market would be for selling Tico ballcaps, stickers, cups etc.?

The USS TICONDEROGA VETERANS' Association already sells these items. Maybe not the ones that are just CG-47 but association cups. There are hats made especially for the CG-47 decommissioning as well as decom coins, cachets, pictures there also. Please go to www.bigt.net and click on ships store and you will see what is to offer. The order blank for the decom memorabilia is at the bottom of the page. There are only the dark blue hats still available in those hats. Please support the store. If you have ideas for other items to sell please pass them on to Ron Lee at ticotiger14@bellsouth.com. Ron has a lot of the Association bumper stickers which he would probably send free to interested parties.

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hey guys, thanx for the interest in my trouble locating a med 84 cruise book. bob i emailed you im not sure if you got it. if you would be willing to make a pdf i would greatly apriciate it. all my tico stuff was destroyed in a house fire. hey bill have you kept in touch with anyone from ce division? again thanx. yall take it easy, steve otto

What do you think the market would be for selling Tico ballcaps, stickers, cups etc.?

Wass sup, shipmates; I paid for a cruise book from Tico's last voyage. Do anyone know what became of them. If so please contact me on this site.

Guys,

We'd have to check who owns the copyright for the cruise books. If they aren't available anymore, and the rights owner doesn't mind, I think it would be great to put them on the web.

Joe
USSTiconderoga.com

Jonathan,

I think your idea is great!!!

Might I suggest a document reader or visualizer vs a low tech solution like a desktop scanner. If you look at the images from a scanned print document, you get an artifact called herringbone or cross-hatching. The reason for the artifact is the way printed documents, like books, magazines, etc. They use tiny dots to make the image. When a scanner sees those dots, it doesn't quite know how to handle them.

Canon makes a device, RE-455X, (no B.S.) that has a relatively high resolution camera monuted over a platform with lights, the works. It's the solution to generate digital images for mass produced printed documents like books and magazines. I think they can even be rented. I'll look into it.

Bill Deery

Ray Garrett....davidgraf88@comcast.net

http://www.ussmullinnix.org/1974MiddleEastCruiseBook.html

This is an example of what I think can be done.

What do you think about posting the cruisebooks we have online? This is so people can view them without going through the effort of hunting down old books?

David, what's up? give me your email.

--garrettra

I have been unsuccessful in trying to obtain copies of later cruise books. I went to Tiffany publishing of Norfolk and they did have copies due to a fire.
I was however able to recover copies of Shellback, Bluenose, and Suez Safari certificates, inwhich they publish also. They have an website online. This was two years ago.
I continue to look, and will keep you posted.

best regards
David Graf

Steve,

Most publishers will keep a copy for some period of time. Different publishers will determine how long they keep their old stuff. Perhaps, if someone could remember who the publisher was, you might be able to contact them and ask if they have a copy.

Just a thought.
Bill Deery

P.S. Hello, Bob.

Steve, I have my copy of the '84 Med Cruisebook. The best I can do for you is to try and make a copy and make a PDF available to you as I cannot part with the original. I also have a copy of the Commissioning book.

Regards,
Bob Cain
TICO Plankowner

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hello shipmates, does anybody know how i could get ahold of a cruise book from med cruise 84? if so my email is steveo72845@yahoo.com or ph 479-885-0062. hope all is well thanx

Gents,

FWMP had a telephone conference call with a number of managers with the Ship Disposal Program on Friday, March 16th. The agenda covered topics such approval process, preliminary and future plans, goals and deadlines. The meeting went well and we gained credibility with SDP as a serious organization.

Current Status
We are arranging a meeting and presentation for the Staff at Port Canaveral to garner a preliminary approval from the Port Authority which will probably be contigent upon funding. We need this in order to get the extention needed to complete the formal application process. The presentation will take place later this month or early next.

Even after all these years, the Navy still floats on a sea of paperwork. ;-)

Regards,
Bill Deery
FWMP

Bill, That is great news! I sure hope they make the Tico a museum, I would love for my kids to be able to walk her passageways someday! Keep us posted.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/militar...sscole-lawsuit.html
In a heading I would classify as better late than never, a Federal judge ruled that Sudan helped Al-Queada with the 2000 attack on the USS Cole. This was an attack that killed 17 sailors including one Andrew Tripplet a former shipmate and friend.

Gents,

The Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project conducted a shipcheck of Ex-Tico on March 12th. As you might imagine, time is a mean task master. However, she is in very good shape and if other things fall into place, Tico will be sited as a museum!!!

We will keep you all posted with updates.

Regards,
Bill Deery
"Towhead"
FWMP

Is that OS2 Stafford first name Royce????????

What's going on Staff?

anyone from 91-94 who wants to give me a shout: joevolfan@yahoo.com or joseph.e.sisson@navy.mil

Bryon,

What are your thoughts to preserve ex-TICONDEROGA? What can I do to help you or would you like to partner in the effort?

Sincerly,

Dave Henclewski
FW&MMP

Here is the copy of the letter sent on Monday to SDP office.

For those who are interested in helping with saving "47" and placing it as a museum, I will be adding persons to the list for the ship visit on 3/12/07. I will need your name if you will be available for this. Please contact me directly. I will find out how many can go. In additon, this visit is to plan and put the wheels in motion for the financial plan for the ship (ie the cost for refurbish, drydock, removal of the forward sonar dome and general internal needs prior to ship movemet to a perminent berth.

My email address is:

dhenclewski@ges.com
or
dhenclewski@earthlink.net

In addition, anything that can be done to help in the process of putting together the application to the Navy would be appreciated. At the moment Bill Deery is working with our group and will be going to Philly. There will be plenty to do.

Below is the letter we sent to the SDP office.

2/19/2007

David W. Tungett
Captain, U.S. Navy
Program Manager
Inactive Ship Program Office
1333 Isaac Hull Avenue
Washington Navy Yard, DC 20376-2701

Subject: Ex-Ticonderoga

Dear Captain Tungett,

Thank you for responding to our request to site Ex-Ticonderoga as a museum with our organization. We will do our utmost to ensure that the museum will honor proud traditions of the Navy.

As you may or may not know, our organization has not met with much success recently in acquiring a vessel for our museum. Many hours of effort on the parts of our volunteers went unrealized when Ex-Des Moines was removed from donation hold after we attempted to acquire her. Many of our volunteers were very disappointed. Nonetheless, we look forward to working with your office and hope that we will be more successful with Ex-Ticonderoga.

On May 5th of 2006 in and email from Mr Clark he wrote the following concerning our effort to place ex-DES MOINES:

“…confirmed availability of permanent berthing and sufficient financial resources is necessary to become a successful ship museum. This takes years to develop. Recall that the Milwaukee group had hundreds of letters of support for ex-DES MOINES and they were not able go make a go of it. As you have only recently become interested in establishing a ship museum, you need to focus on a ship that will remain on donation hold such as ex-TICONDEROGA. “.

On May 26th, 2006, Rear Admiral Hamilton stated in his letter:

“I’m sorry that you disagree with the Navy’s decision to proceed with the disposal of ex-DES MOINES. However, there are many fine ships remaining on donation hold that are more compatible with your time schedule.”



There was no reason for FWMM to believe that ex-TICONDEROGA was to be removed from Donation Hold. Your deputy made it clear that it takes years to complete this process in the email excerpt above and recommended that our group focus on ex-TICONDEROGA as it would remain on Donation Hold. We know the process of placing a ship takes a minimum of three years with few exceptions.

As you can well imagine, raising funds necessary to bring the museum into fruition will be lengthy and time consuming. Can we assume that if we present a viable design, detailing our organizations plans and operational models prior to the deadline you specified in your letter dated February 7th, 2007, that Ex-Ticonderoga will remain on donation hold long enough for FWMP to acquire funding? Our group is working diligently to provide written confirmation of the requirements contained in the application for successful placement of the ship. Much of the groundwork has already been accomplished when we were working to site Ex-Des Moines. Perhaps we can work together to set benchmarks and deadlines.

FWMP understands and can appreciate the constraints and externalities the Navy experiences when it involves budgetary items. We hope however that your office will be willing to partner with us in this endeavor. As I am sure you are aware, open channels of communication will be essential in completing these milestones.

To correct the record, we exchanged several emails with your staff concerning our group discussions to place ex-TICONDEROGA in August of 2006. We also requested a ship check to the cruiser in November of 2006 but due to the Veterans Day holiday being our scheduled time in Philadelphia our request was denied.

Thank you for encouraging our group to make plans for the ship check of ex-TICONDEROGA prior to our published scheduled date. Unfortunately, with our ship check less than a month away our plans can not be changed.

In closing, we fully appreciate any time given to complete the application process. Will the SDP office accept a formal plan for an extension of time for the ex-TICONDEROGA or is a completed application expected on or before June 30th, 2007? If your office only requires a formal proposal for a time extension, it will be submitted within 30 days of your answer to our question. I look forward to partnering with you in this undertaking.

Sincerely,


David RV Henclewski
David R. Henclewski
Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project
13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden, FL 34787
Phone: 407-654-6485
Cell: 321-297-8097

I got an email from a Gloria Carvalho from the NAVSEA Office in regards to the Tico. Are any of you willing to assit in preserveing her let me know.I am calling her at 0900 tomorrow.

Thanks

Bryon Rowan

P.S In case you are wondering my intrest in her my, father was aboard her for a few years before going to the pacific fleet aboard the ex USS FANNING FF 1076.

Who are you????
--garrettra

So where you at these day's Ray-Ray?

I was an SH Mister Garrett. I also wish I became a Chief. I did a lateral conversion to IT because the only way people got advanced in my rate is when people died. I also was medically retired in 2000.

Paul,
   
   I was doing some searching on the internet and I am waiting on a few responses. i'll email you again as soon as I find more out.
  Bryon

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I think that guy made chief!
--garrettra

Ray-Ray.....what's going on man.......long time, no see.......Still doing your crazy impersonation of a certain SK with an oversized cranium???????

Dear Veteran Gentlemen,
  I have a question for you about the USS Ticonderoga, however, I'm seeking information regarding the crew of the 2526-ton Lackawanna class screw sloop of war. My father-in-law passed away recently and in his possessions we came across letters, newspaper and miscellaneous correspondence written by a Mr. Fred Barr who served aboard the vessel in 1864. I've tried to research the crew but have found no leads. Do any of you have an idea where I might learn more about the Civil War crew and vessel?
  Sincerely appreciated,
Paul

What's going on with you?
--garrettra

Just looking for some old friends. Was an OS on Tico from 1990-1992. Any one can email me at yankstar@hotmail.com

Whats up Joey? Hows things going in Sleepy Hollow?

Whats up Raymond?

Edited by author 02-14-2007 09:31 PM
Dear friends,

 I am looking for someone to go in with me to preserve her. I am trying to get her on a museum. If anyone is intrested in helping please conctact me via email. at john_deere_9500@yahoo.com.

Togeather we can save her I have the information from the NAVSEA Office on all the requirements.

Tico vets,

If you would like to read the entire Navy response to David Henclewski regarding the Tico, you can find it here: http://ussticonderoga.com/Tico_donation_hold.pdf

I urge all of you to do whatever you can to save Tico. Given the short time left before Tico goes off donation hold (June 30), Mr. Henclewski likely has the most realistic chance of establishing a Tico museum. If you would like to help, please contact him:
 
David R. Henclewski
Regional Estimator - South-East
GES Exposition Services
4805 Sand Lake Rd.
Orlando, FL. 32819
407.370.3898 Phone
407.370.3925 Fax
407-467-0584 Cell
dhenclewski@ges.com

Please let all of your former shipmates know about this call to action. Thanks for your efforts.

Joe Knight
USSTiconderoga.com

I sent the admiral an email. also contacted ccdgeight. first and formost will not die. a museum is in her future.

All, The attached URL has a picture of CG-50 sinking after target practice. I don't want the same faith for TICO or her being scrapped. I too will pass the word to save her. I wish us all luck in this task.

http://steeljawscribe.blogspot.com/2006/11...-ex-uss-valley.html

This is desturbing news. There is still hope. Admiral David Jerimiah USN Retired served as commander cruiser destroyer group eight. He sailed on tico and commandewd achilee laural hijackers as well as libia operations. he is currently serving as head of presedent bushes intellegence oversight committee. get him on board and the tide will change.

I received from the Navy to my letter. The letter is very condisending in tone from my perspective. FYI I have never been interested in USS CANON, but was involved in placing USS TROUT when I was workin on USS DES MOINES for donation. I will be responding to the email and also working on letters to Congress for a GAO investigation. The Navy has given us until June 30th of 2007 to have a plan, location, public support and financing or the ship will go to scrap. This is an almost impossible task. So if any of you can help over the next few months to get the word out and pitch in with research, phone calls and emails our task will be easier. Upon request I will send a copy of the letter to you as I could not copy it into this message board.

Sincerely,

Dave Henclewski
Florida Warship & Maritime Museum Project

I sent this message to the Navy. I was told I would receive a formal response. There are other groups that are having the same issues with the managers of the Ship Donation Program. I will be sharing information with you all about the contacts we make with other groups and their experience to see if we can join forces.

From: Henclewski, David
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:05 PM
To: 'Clark, Glen A CIV SHIPS'
Cc: 'Sutey, Bill (Bill Nelson)'; 'david.tungett@navy.mil'
Subject: Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project

Dear Mr. Clark,

I hope this correspondence finds you well. The reason for this letter is to inform you of our groups present status. In addition the information below is a confirmation of your recommendation to our group as to a new direction for our efforts to establish a museum in the state of Florida.

The name of our group is "Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project. Officially on May 26th of 2006 we are an established 501c3 non-profit entity filed with the state of Florida and the IRS. Our tax Identification number is 20-4949223.

On the 12th of May of 2006 you had sent an email with the following recommendation:

."As you have only recently become interested in establishing a ship museum, you need to focus on a ship that will remain on donation hold such as ex-TICONDEROGA."

Our group is now in the process of preparing and submitting proposals for placing the ex-USS TICONDEROGA in the states of Florida or Georgia. It is our hope that the ex-USS TICONDEROGA will stay on hold to qualify a location and complete the application process to the Ship Donation Program. Your statement above I believe is in good faith and will give our group and other interested organizations adequate time for the process to complete its course. Saving this historic ship is paramount to our maritime history.

Sincerely,

David R. Henclewski
Florida Warship and Maritime Museum Project
13023 Suburban Terrace
Winter Garden Florida, 34787
Phone: 321-297-8097

More info from David Henclewski on the coming disposal of the Ticonderoga:

*******************************************
You can post this information below on the web site.

 To answer your questions, I am not sure of when the disposal of
the ship is planned or how much time we have to save ex-USS TICONDEROGA.
The ex-USS VINCENNES is the TICO class cruiser that was sunk in the
Pacific. As I went through a similar fight just last year over the USS
DES MOINES I am sending a copy of an email exchange with Deputy Glenn
Clark for your reference. Although it's subject is another ship, please
note the ship that he recommends our group should pursue as a museum. We
need to exercise our Senators, Representatives, retired and active
military brass to ask for change of leadership in the Navy Donation
Program Office.

 In a recent letter that was sent out to those individuals and
groups trying to save USS DES MOINES, President Bush's liaison repeated
information from the Navy department while answering none of our
concerns. Mr. Ball, the Presidents liaison, discussed things that were
never mentioned in other correspondence. I will be addressing a letter
back to Mr. Ball in the coming week even though it is to late for
CA-134. I am sharing this to say that without some influence from people
in positions of authority, we will have very little chance to save CG-47
and we will get no answers to our questions or concerns.

 William M. Deskins, Deputy Manager of Maintenance, GS-15 DASN
Ships, Washington, DC and Glen A. Clark, Deputy Program Manager, GS-15,
Inactive Fleet Office, Washington, DC are the two gentlemen that need to
explain themselves, their actions and held accountable concerning not
only ex-USS TICONDEROGA, but ex-USS TROUT, ex-USS ADAMS & ex-USS
CONNELLY which all have groups interested in placing these ships as
museums and are also being marked for disposal closing out of any chance
of saving these ships. This situation is also a plague to those groups
placing ex-USS IOWA and ex-USS WISCONSIN. We need to put together a
united front to stop this chicanery and manipulation.

Please consider the following email exchange of May 2005.

On Friday, May 12th, 2006, Mr. Clark exchanged emails with me that was
hard to understand. I have edited out the title block information for
your review and consideration in training Mr. Clark on how to handle the
public and private citizens.

From: Henclewski, David
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:30
To: Clark, Glen A CIV SHIPS; Carvalho, Gloria Coelho WNYD CIV SHIPS
Subject: FW: Fwd: USS Des Moines

Below is a letter I received today. Could this be another consideration?
 
Sincerely,
 
David R. Henclewski

Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 01:42:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Bearce <davelt2@yahoo.com>
Subject: USS Des Moines

I am a nurse at a VA Hospital and a seven year Army veteran. I recently
took care of a patient who served on the USS Des Moines. He told me
about the effort to save the ship. I am willing to do some leg work here
in Erie, PA and see if it would be willing to take the ship. We
currently are the home to the U.S. brig Niagara which served as the
flagship of Oliver Hazard Perry's victory in the Battle of Lake Erie. I
have written to a ship towing company and they assure me that it is a
possible project. We currently have a modern ship terminal that has
failed to draw ships to Erie and would be the perfect berth for another
flag ship. I would be willing to expend my energy into the fund raising
that would be necessary to bring the ship here. Please let me know if
it's a feasible idea.
   David Bearce


Dave
This is another idea, however, there is no indication from anyone of
authority that represents the Port of Eire, PA that they are interested
in a ship museum. Certainly, they have known about DES MOINES before as
most of the prior interest has been in the Great Lakes communities.
V/R, Glen

Mr. Clark,
 
Thank you for advancing the email, but in light of our discussion last
week what idea are you talking about?
 
Sincerely,
David R. Henclewski

Dave
You asked whether Eire, PA could be another consideration.
V/R, Glen

Glen,
 
Even if Erie, PA was an option, and I would be happy to pursue the
possibility, I was in contact with Jacksonville, Miami, Savannah and
Port Canaveral, all of which had possibilities for placing the USS DES
MOINES. These locations were awaiting finalized proposals and
considerations which were put on hold while I contacted Senators and
Representatives to get more time. I would have gotten much further with
qualifying all of the above locations had I not been trying to extend
the hold status for DES MOINES. Is there a possibility of getting more
time to complete the proposal process as I had requested in writing and
in our conversation last week?
 
Sincerely,
David R. Henclewski

Dave
As we discussed on 3 May, the 14-year donation hold for ex-DES MOINES
has expired.
V/R, Glen

Mr. Clark,
 
If you have no intention of extending the hold status, fourteen years or
not, I do not understand what the previous dialogue has been concerning
an idea.
 
David R. Henclewski

I was only responding to your question regarding Eire, PA. In case I was
not clear enough, the "idea" suggested by a nurse in a VA hospital, of
which you asked if this could be another consideration, is not an
indication of support from the authorities who control the pier.
 
Even if you had letters of support from Eire, Savannah, Miami,
Jacksonville, Port Canaveral or other location that might be suggested,
confirmed availability of permanent berthing and sufficient financial
resources is necessary to become a successful ship museum. This takes
years to develop. Recall that the Milwaukee group had hundreds of
letters of support for ex-DES MOINES and they were not able go make a go
of it. As you have only recently become interested in establishing a
ship museum, you need to focus on a ship that will remain on donation
hold such as ex-TICONDEROGA. One person and good intentions alone cannot
do it. You need to look at it as establishing a small business, develop
the plan, people and resources necessary, establish a time schedule, and
focus on a ship that will be available within that time schedule.
 
After our last phone call, I've received several emails from veterans of
ex-DES MOINES asking that the donation hold be extended to support Port
Canaveral, of which you still have not been able to set up a meeting
with according to your letter. I am answering each one in a timely
manner. I've also received emails from some veterans who recognized that
donation efforts have not been successful and wish to have pieces of
deck planking from the ship or to be able to tour the ship before it is
disposed.
Sincerely, Glen Clark
 
Let me state that this dialogue was unnecessary and from my perspective
rude. I forwarded this email not for my benefit but for the person who
sent the correspondence. Mr. Clark was very clear and talked at me not
with me. The Erie, PA discussion was to put me in my place, not to
answer the document I had sent him. (Added note: 6/14/06: The veteran
Mr. Clark has noted here is Ron Hovis who has no group or organization,
only email and a computer and has been asking for ships planking for
years. Mr. Clark uses Mr. Hovis's requests as another reason to discount
our effort to failure. Ron Hovis is not a spokesman for the veterans
interested in saving the USS DES MOINES.)


David R. Henclewski
Regional Estimator - South-East
GES Exposition Services
4805 Sand Lake Rd.
Orlando, FL. 32819
407.370.3898 Phone
407.370.3925 Fax
407-467-0584 Cell
dhenclewski@ges.com I http://www.ges.com

 I have some bad news. Yesterday the Navy told me they were taking the ship off of hold status for disposal. If there is anything you can do to exert pressure on the Navy from contacts or persons you know please do so. I had a feeling that several bureaucrats in the Navy Department are wanting to get rid of any ship they can with out restraint. I fought for USS DES MONIES and lost to these same people. They have no respect for me or my efforts let alone other organizations that are trying to place other ships that are also being taken off of hold status. Please pass the word and lets see what we can do to save "47"!
 
Sincerely
 
David R. Henclewski
Regional Estimator - South-East
GES Exposition Services
4805 Sand Lake Rd.
Orlando, FL. 32819
407.370.3898 Phone
407.370.3925 Fax
407-467-0584 Cell
dhenclewski@ges.com I http://www.ges.com

Tico vets:

Many of the email addresses on our veterans list are no longer active. If your email address has changed, please send me a note with the updated one.

Thanks,

Joe
info@ussticonderoga.com

HI THERE..I AM TRYING TO FIND INFO ON MY FATHER WHO SERVED IN SAN FRANCISCO IN 1945...HIS RANK SHOWS A.F.C.2/C ON AN ADDRESS CARD I HAVE...HE ALSO SHOWS FLEET AIR WING EIGHT HEADQUARTERS SQUADRON... CAN ANYONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS...IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT MAY HAVE SOMEONE WHO WAS ABOARD AT THAT TIME...PLEASE EEMAIL ME KRB_1958@YAHOO.COM
THANKS

precom - 85

Which Kirby? When were you on board?

garrette this is os1 kirby whats up

also if u needed a haircut hook up

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Edited by author 01-07-2007 03:39 PM
Looking for "Sonny" Williamson. Everyone who served between '88 - '91 knew Sonny (especially if you wanted the laundry hookup.) Sonny was (I believe) not his given name. He was an SH2 at the time and was transferred from Tico around 1991 to a ship down in South Carolina (his hometown). My email is garrettra@saic.com or garrettra@tmail.com.

Hey all, I just wanted to wish all my shipmates a Merry Christmas! Hope everyone is doing well this holiday season. Lets keep our troops in our thoughts this Christmas. Eric (RM3 1990-1994)

Hello fellow crew members. I just wanted to let everyone know that I have a nice 8 1/2"x 11" photo of the USS Ticonderoga, framed and hanging on my wall for all to see. I will be glad to send you a copy for you to frame if you are interested. Write to me at my email address and I will send you one. Just pay for shipping cost(how much does it cost to send a sheet of paper, very little). Also if you want I will have it framed. Just let me know. Hope to her from you very soon. contact me at: aericnorman@yahoo.com

I was USAF 1ST MOBILE COMM GROUP who in MAR 1963 landed on the Ticonderoga off the coast of VIETNAM spent a week doing radio checks with the mainland and the departed ship at SUBIC BAY. One more little side note of the Vietnam era.

Here's wishing all Shipmates,Families and Friends a Happy Thanksgiving.
Pray for our Troops on this day.
In Service
Ron Lee
President
Ticonderoga Veterans Association

The following obituary was published in the Troy (NY) The Record on 11/06/06

Robert J. Rogers Sr.

COHOES - Robert J. Rogers Sr., 73, of Vliet Boulevard in Cohoes, died Sunday, November 5, 2006, at St. Peter's Hospital in Albany, embraced by his family.
Born in Hemstreet Park, Mechanicville, he was the son of the late Charles and Edith Miller Rogers and beloved husband of Blanche McCormack Rogers of Cohoes.
Bob graduated from Mechanicville High School and was employed as a custodian for 10 years with the Cohoes City School District, retiring in 1998.
He was a veteran of the U.S. Navy, serving aboard the USS Ticonderoga.
Bob was a gifted woodworker and an avid aquarium hobbyist.
He was a communicant of Holy Trinity Church in Cohoes.
Besides his devoted wife Blanche, Bob is survived by his loving children Colleen Krupski and her husband Paul of Galway, Vincent R. Rogers of New Jersey and Erik M. Rogers and Robert J. Rogers Jr. and his wife Carla, all of Cohoes; his cherished grandchildren Elisa, Craig, Scott, Adrielle and Eleanna; his brother David Rogers and his wife Beverly of Hemstreet Park, along with several nieces and nephews. He was predeceased by his sister Ruth Izzo.
Funeral from the Fitzgerald Funeral Home Ltd., 105 Vliet Blvd. in Cohoes, Wednesday morning at 9 with a Mass of Christian Burial at Holy Trinity Church at 9:30. Interment in St. Agnes Cemetery in Cohoes.
Relatives and friends are invited and may call at the funeral home Tuesday from 4-7 p.m.

I visited the former Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in December 2004. I couldn't believe my eyes as I saw the Tico among the ships of the Naval Inactive Ship Maintenance Facility.

I remember 22 years earlier reading how the CG-47 was the newest class of cruiser. I was in elementary school. Now I feel "aged" as I saw the Tico in the sameplace as the older cruiser Des Moines. It was old met new, but with the same fate: stricken vessels of the U. S. Navy.

Hopefully the Tico will not meet the same fate as her older relative (the Des Moines) is about to meet: the scrapper's torch.

Great website. I was on the tico from 88-90. I was sad to hear she is in the bone yard. I know it's silly but I always felt that as long as she was out there keeping the world safe for democracy that part of me was still out there too.

Great pics too. I had my Navy pics out about a year ago. I will try and find them again.

Anyone who served aboard the Ti during her 1955-1956 Med Cruise is invited to come back through time via "A World Ago", a blog of letters written during and chronicling the voyage and adventures of the grand old lady. These aren't your run-of-the-mill "I am fine, how are you?" letters home. Photos, too. Stop by http://www.doriengrey.blogspot.com

I've heard from a number of shipmates and would like to hear from more.

Also seeking info on a buddy, Lloyd Allen Meyers, who was in an air squadron that came aboard in, I think, March of 1956.

Best to all.

Patty,
No problem, it's not you- it's me the procrastinator- I'll try and send you out the materials this week.
Thanks for your patience
Denise
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Denise
I apologize if I already replied, but my address is:
Patty Gottschalk
4041 NE 17 Terrace
Pompano Beach FL 33064
Thanks again
Patty
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Well it is getting close to Christmas and the USS TICONDEEROGA VETERANS' ASSOCIATION Ship Store has some great CG-47 Decommissioning Memorabilia. We have hats especially designed for the occasion and coins also plus last day covers (postal cachets), pictures and a great Drawing. Right now we only have the standard navy blue hat but if I get word or orders that you want one of the other colors I will consider ordering them. Minimun order is up there so need input now if you are interested. Coins are nice also but as you will see on the order sheet at the bottom of the ship store section in www.bigt.net we only have the bronze coins in stock. Take a look and tell your shipmates to check it out and get in an order for Christmas. Also above Decom memorabilia there are license plate holders and a really good book on history of the carrier. If you are thinking about placing an order let me know for planning purposes and then follow procedures on website. Thanks Ed Trotter etrotter@zzzz4.net

Denise

Thanks so much for getting back to me.
My address is Patty Gottschalk 4041 NE 17 Terrace Pompano Beach FL 33064
Thanks again
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Hi
Send me your mailing address and I will send you copies of the menu's and the other articles I have
Denise
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This message is for Denise Brucker. I would love to have a copy of those menus you wrote about. My Dad spoke ofter of Dixie Keifer.
Thanks - genuineracingcol@bellsouth.net

Edited by author 10-08-2006 06:58 PM
My Dad served under Dixie Keifer 1944 -1946. His name was Rudolph Gottschalk (rudy) I would love to hear from anyone that remembers my Dad
Thanks
You can write: genuineracingcol@bellsouth.net

Since the Tico- I went on for 6 more years and became a BM2. I was able to do a WestPac and met the Sultan of Brunei and his (2) daughters! Nothing like the times aboard the Tico. Here I am- been married for 11 years and have 4 gorgeous daughters and 1 hansome little boy. I will be going to Philly in about a month to see the Tico in the Inactive fleet. Very sad to hear about the Decom of both the Tico and BMC Hall. Woody- did you say you were in Jersey? I was based at Naval Weapon Station Earle, NJ for a short while. Did you end up getting married to Jen? Again- wishing the best amongst all fellow sailers. Would love to hear from someone!

Almost forgot- email me at brandony@securityintegrations.com I see Jim Hall on here too.

Wow! Just was checking up on Tico and came across this page. I notice a lot of familiar names like Woody and Douchie. Hall, Scaff (who must be a captain by now) great to hear and notice all is well. I was aboard from 93-95. Woody- remember Ryder College and the Lincoln Towncar we painted up with shoe polish to go see the girls we met down in the bahamas? Good times man, good times. I spoke to Chad(Danny) about a year ago- he lives in Texas. Drop a line anytime.

Regards- "Yak"

This is in response to the posting by Denise Brucker. I will gladly accept the items you have about Capt. Keifer and the other papers you have.I have lots of info, pictures,books etc. i carry to our reunions every year to share with our fellow shipmates.I would like to add these to our collection. You can contact me by e-mail ticotiger14@bellsouth.net
Yours in service
Ron Lee
President
Ticonderoga Veterans Association

I have come across some menus from the Ticonderoga from Thansgiving and Xmas 1945 as well as some artciles about Capt. Keifer- (they were my uncles)
If anyone would like them I'd be happy to send them to you- I hate to throw them away
Denise

I WAS IN PHILADELPHIA ON AUGUST 10-19-06 JUST HAPPENED TO LOOK OVER AT THE SHIP YARD AN THERE SHE WAS USS TICONDEROGA CG-47. WENT IN A TOOK SOME PICTURES FROM A DISTANCE BUT COULD NOT GET TO CLOSE. IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE TICO ITS BEEN A LONG TIME 20 YEARS WOW TIME GOES BYE. JUST THOUGHT I WOULD LET EVERYONE KNOW WHERE SHE IS THE SHIPYARD IN PHILLY, AS OF AUGUST THE 19TH 2006.

Edited by author 08-23-2006 05:10 PM
Wow! I haven't checked this website out in quite sometime and I never really did go back and read all of the posts since the beginning, but I did today as things are slow at work.

I am proud to say that I was a TICODEROGA plankowner and yeoman in the ship's office and combat systems department; reported to PCU Ticonderoga in May 1982 and transferred in September 1985 with orders to U.S. Central Command at MacDill AFB in Tampa, Florida. I'll be brief, but let's just say that the Spring Break port visit to Port Everglades in 1983 made me want to go back to Florida, along with the young Florida State student I met during the same visit. I left the Navy in 1989, but I'm still here in Florida... been married for 19 years, we have 3 daughters, and I'm working for an engineering company (Jacobs).

Anyway, I'm proud to have been in the Navy for 8 years and especially proud to have served aboard the TICO. I keep a stack of photographs in my desk from the Med Cruise along with my commissioning book and cruisebook and I go through them every now and then to remind me of the "good 'ole days".

Bob Cain
bobcain63@hotmail.com

What up what up New York!!! I'll be damned! I ain't seen or heard from you since in flagged you down on I64 almost 11 years ago! What command did you retire at?
--garrettra

Ray Ray Garrett.....glad to see your butt is still alive and kicking....Did you retire yet? I just did about 2 months ago.....

Hey Jeff I was there from 88-92 and I did the 91 MED. I remember you. Talk about stories! I don't know if you remember (although you should because I put your guys to work at about 0400 to retrieve it)! I was the OOD when we were anchored out and lost the captain's gig. Remember that?

Anymore info on the Tico becoming a museum? I wonder if would be like the USS North Carolina museum (WWII era ship, really a cool place to visit if any of you get the chance.)? Anyways, hope all of you are doing well....

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Mar.1985toJun.1986(Deck Div. as a SN) Hope everyone that sailed on the Tico over her years are doing well. Anyone knows the where about of Bobby Savage BM2 1982to 1980s. He was from Alabama. pdtisch32@yahoo.com

Oh Yeah...my address is darnellkw@pascatt.navy.mil

If anyone knows how to get in touch with Larry Brown (EMC - CWO4) I would like to have that.

Great to find this spot. Ernie Thero told me about it. Good to see some of my old shipmates in here. I remember OS1 Kirby and some others. I'm in Pascagoula working on the AEGIS Test Team for BAE Systems. Been with them for almost 17 years. I haven't heard anything about Tico coming here or Mobile but it would be a good choice. I would really enjoy that. I was at the decommissioning party at the La Font but I didn't go to the decommissioning. It was too much like a funeral to me but I did get to see some ship mates like LT Tom Bush (RADM), LT Bill Britt (CAPT), ENS Mike Hawley (CAPT), Ernie Thero, Keith Alyea, CAPT Walsh (RADM), LCDR Dennis DEAN (CAPT), LT MIKE Knight (LCDR) and some others I can't think of right now. If any of my old shipmates read this it would be good to hear from you. Drop me a line.

my understanding is that pascagula and mobile have bid on her. may the legend of the first and foremost live forever!!! os1kirby

Wouldn't be awesome for a Tico museum and memorial! Then our kids and grandkids could walk her decks for years to come! Thank you IC1 Lambert for bringing this to our attention.

Check it out...looks like the Tico is ON DONATION HOLD AS A MUSEUM AND MEMORIAL.....check out the website: http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/details/CG47.htm

Lewis Brown, I tried to send you an E-Mail but your adress doesnt seem to work.

Do you have another one?!

I just wanted to say HI to all my Tico buddies from 84-86.
I was shocked and surprised to hear that they were decommisioning the old girl. We had a lot of great times on her, all of the trips to Puerto Rico, down to South America, seeing the Iowa's 15 gun boardside twice, crossing the artic circle and crossing the line of "Death". I wouldn't have traded these memories for nothing.
If anyone remembers me and wants to contact, I can be reached at jim@sportsembroiderycenter.com

big al os1 kirby here. I to have many good memorys. yesterday went through some old things of my dads. commisioning book mug lighter and others i gave him. was an honer and a privilage to serve her. may her legend first and foremost live on in those who served her forever!!~~

Ilive in the area and did not know the fate of the old Tico I still have dreams abord her remember all the fun we had from Portsmith,Eng 2Kiel,ger,the blue nose cermony,those of us who served and loved the ship will never forget,this is BOY BROWN,A TICO LEGEND I BECAME A MAN ON HER DECKS SET A RECORD THE MOST FLIGHT OPPS AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE IF IT FLYS IT DIES, 4me!ps REMEMBER THE LINE OF DEATH, OH YEA THIS WOULD NOT BE ME IF I DID NOT DO THIS,REAR ADMERAL? WHO LAST I SAW THAT GUY HE WAS GETTING THE TOWE LINE SNAPED,WHEN HE TOOK OVER THE CONN FROM ENSIN PUTTNUM NOW I CAN SAY THAT WAS YOUR FULT SIR HAHA EMAIL 2BBROWN@COMCAST.COM

I was flying into Philly last week and was checking out the ships of the 'moth ball fleet'. I almost didn't recognize the TICO, as it was sitting there looking like rust was taking over. It was sad to see her in that condition.
I hope this finds all my 'old' shipmates doing well!
sirtim24@hotmail.com

os1 kirby here 83-87 like to here from any shipmates who remember me email ak8472@aol.com

Hey all great tosee this site for the best ship ever built. Looing to reunite with some old shipmates from 1983 to 1987 any one on board then feel free to email me at mtico@verizon.net

That is definately one of the funniest stories I remember from my days on the Tico! I just heard from BMC Hall, sounds like he's doing great! Take care. Young

Eric,

         BMC hall and I just read this message, and laughed our asses off. I must admit, I almost cried that day. At least out of 350 guys on that ship, I was getting some on that cruise. I have not heard from the other guys in a awhile. I gave BMC Hall your info. Talk to you soon. Woody

Woody, what is up? I remember all you guys. I still tell the story of the practical joke that Hall and Scaff played on you in the ship yards (the fake letter about that female mid-shipman). Where are you living now? Have you heard from McCarver or Massingill? I will shoot Hall an e-mail this week. It's good to hear from you. Hope all is well. Young

This is a message to Eric Young. I served on Tico from 91-94. I was good friends with Bm3 Mccarver and Masingill (douche) I am still good friends with Bmc Hall. In fact he came to my house for a labor day picnic last September. If you would like to contact him, I have his information. My e-mail is mattheww@citizensfinancialmortgage.com. He lives in Pa and is working at the allentown airport. He would like to hear from you for sure. By the way. This is a great website. It's good to see pictures of some of the guys.I remember more than I thought I would.

Hello,
Trying to find shipmates who served on CG47 from 98-01. I'm aka "Deezy". Holla at me at Xmeishko@yahoo.com

Hi to you all,

I am very intrested in these fine ships! Having had a stroke, I can only read about them now! (Age 50). Will CG-47 be scrapped or kept in "RESERVE"?
What are the books to get on them? I have a early book on USS Ticonderoga published by Motorbooks, USA. (Very good). Any body also known of books on USS Long Beach & USS Albany I have the 2 major references on US Cruisers.

Kind regards

Gary Mansfield - garynelson.mansfield@tiscali.co.uk

Hi All... Just looking for shipmates from CG-47. I was there from 1994 to 1996 as the 3M Coordinator. Drop me a line at

james_p_greenia@dreser-rand.com

or check out my blog at

http://cantredefinetruth.blogspot.com

Thanks
EMC(SW)Jim Greenia, USN Ret

Last Cruisebook for CG-47 info - I just talked to LTJG Quayle and she just sent the final proofs for the book to the publisher. She hopes to get the books back in 6 weeks and then will have to mail them out to the addresses she was given when the books were ordered. She thinks all who ordered will get their book(s) in about 8 weeks. It has taken a long time but it will happen.

Ed Trotter
CVA-14
62-65
Tico Veterans's Association

Shipmate – just a short note to tell you what is happening in the USS TICONDEROGA Veterans’ Association. Please check our website www.bigt.net

If you check the reunion button you will see we are having this years reunion in our old (CVA/CVS) homeport of San Diego, CA on May 24-28, 2006. It will be at the Wyndham San Diego at Emerald Plaza. All the forms are on the website. We will have the chance to visit a carrier again but it will be the MIDWAY which was larger than TICO but still a very interesting tour. It will probably be at least 10 more years before we get back to San Diego so lets all be there. I am sure CG sailors could get a chance to see one of the CGs at the Naval Station. You are not obligated to stay at the Wyndham and can stay at any hotel you want and attend any/all events. We are definitely going to have a good time.

We are working on getting a series of DVDs about life on CV/CVA/CVS and CG. The feature DVD is the Decommissioning ceremony of CG-47. There will be some bonus DVDs that will include the Christening and Commissioning of the ship as well as the building of it and Trials Alpha and Bravo. There will also be much footage of AEGIS and those who participated in the program. Plus footage of the last cruise as shot by one of the crew. On the Carrier side of the house there will be rare footage of the Kamikaze attack and firefighting on the ship, very interesting footage on Dive Bombing, Anapolis Reunion in 1985 with ADM Guilbeault speaking. There is some footage of aircraft landings and takeoffs in 1957-59. We are looking for other footage or pictures of life aboard either ship. We will pay to have any film converted to DVD if we can use it. If you have something you think would be good to show contact Ed Trotter at etrotter@zzzz4.net It will probably be 3 to 4 months before the DVD set will be available. Please keep checking the website to see when it goes on sale in the ship store section. It will also be advertised in the Association Newsletter.

There is good TICO stuff for sale on the website in the ship store section. Both Association, CV and CG decommissioning memorabilia are there. Profits go to the Association.

We hope you will join the Association and joining info is on the website also.

Please pass this on to the shipmates with whom you keep in contact as many may not know about us.

As the printing of the newsletter is one of our main costs if anyone knows how we can get a good deal please contact me.

CG sailors should also check the links button on our website and go to the www.ussticonderoga.com website designed by Joe Knight and Darrell Pace.

Cliff Strumello, Jr.
Membership Chairman
membership@bigt.net
cpstrum@snet.net