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Dan Kalikow  7
03-15-2001 03:11 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 03-15-2001 03:15 PM
Re Lewis #12> Neither am I of a particularly religious bent... and I've learned that discussing hypotheticals is not usually fruitful. I'm bound to say this, though, and given what I've written to the "TBTF Irregulars" list, I'm betting you won't be surprised and trusting you won't be offended. Your hypothesis -- about God's possible intentions vis-a-vis starting the earthquake after ensuring that the sand pendulum was working -- doesn't engender any resonances with me (and that pun was intended). For myself, I tend to think of the "earthquake rose" as a random, fortuitous byproduct of a random, otherwise potentially destructive cataclysm -- which fortunately cost no lives. This time.

That having been said, it is nevertheless wonderful to me that this beautiful tracing, whether a picture painted by design or created by coincidence, echoes a fundamental debate about creation and evolution -- and it is further wonderful to see the way the web has both promulgated this aesthetic aspect of a terrifying event and strongly accelerated its distribution and discussion.

So in my book, this note is apparent disagreement -- leavened by meta-agreement.

Now, my cousin in Seattle seems to think that I am a crypto-Bible-reteller and an Adam-and-Eve-sympathizer to boot; and if that's true, then hey, just disregard this whole damn posting :-)
Ted Anderson  8
03-16-2001 12:09 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 03-16-2001 12:11 AM
This mini-essay arose in response to Steve Yost's "Specialization and Cooperation"[1] and "Deep Thoughts"[2] note which I found via Dan Kalikow's "Web Epiphanies" topic[3].

I also find the evolution of new levels of intelligence intriguing. It usually seems a little too mystical to really get much of a grip on, so I don't have much to say on the topic. However, I have a few references I think might be useful for those interested in the subject.

Marshall Savage, in his book "The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps", provides some inspirational thoughts about mankind's destiny along these lines. The beginning of the book is a hard engineering tour-de-force outlining an strategy allowing humanity to gracefully exit the cradle of our birth. The last few chapters have a longer range philosophical aspect. Towards the end of the "Solaria" chapter he says:


   "To form a collective entity of a higher order, a minimum threshold must be exceeded. For individual sub-units the critical threshold appears to be around 100 billion:
     - A hundred billion atoms can organize to form an individual cell.
     - A hundred billion cells can organize to form an individual brain.
     - A hundred billion human minds can organize to form... Something Wonderful!"


He references Peter Russell, "The Global Brain: Speculations on the Evolutionary Leap to Planetary Consciousness", 1983, for the 10^11 number. I haven't tracked down this book(?) but it might be worth it. I certainly enjoyed Savage's book and heartily recommend it.

More recently I read Susan Blackmore's "The Meme Machine" which advances memes as replicators which compete for human mental resources and so evolve through selection. The presence of a second set of replicators which sometimes work with, and sometimes in opposition to, the genes, provides a new interpretation of several of humanity's unusual features, such as language, brain size, and a host of cultural oddities. Historically, memes and genes have been transmitted together along vertical, family lines and usually worked to similar purposes. However, with modern means of communication, meme transmission is more and more horizontal and so the "interests" of memes and genes will increasingly diverge. In this context, it seems that viewing memes as evolving replicators, provides a concrete (I use the term in a relative sense) example of what a higher order evolutionary process, alluded to by Savage, might look like.

Another theme of Savage is the greening of the galaxy as life spreads to fill the void. He views our highest destiny as being a vehicle for that diaspora. This connects with the Freeman Dyson quote about the universe being in some way congenial to life. I've previously lauded Stuart Kauffman's "At Home in the Universe" which argues for a certain structure in complexity which is necessary to allow natural selection to work at all. Along these lines, but at a much more fundamental level is Lee Smolin's "The Life of the Cosmos". Smolin suggests that universes themselves under went a selection process which favored those whose properties lead to the formation of copious black holes. Such conditions also favor complexity on all levels.

Another fascinating book is Robert Wright's "Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny". Wright argues that non-zero sum interactions can be found at the basis of all organizations. Because mutually beneficial exchanges depend upon a certain economy of scale and lead to increasing specialization and complexity they provide a sort of arrow "guiding" natural selection. These non-zero sum games are a sort of binding energy holding together increasingly complex organisms all the way from cells to today's global economy.

While all these ideas are a long way from a coherent theory of life, the universe and everything, they do at least suggest that such a story may someday be worked out.

Ted Anderson

[1] http://www.quicktopic.com/blurcircle?SpecializationAndCooperation
[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/blurcircle?DeepThoughts
[3] http://www.quicktopic.com/6/H/6ErdMcPjrMTDn
Ted Anderson  9
03-19-2001 12:45 PM ET (US)
I made a few updates to this essay and attached it off my home page at http://www.transarc.ibm.com/~ota/SpecializationCooperation.txt . The updates consist of links to
Ted Anderson  10
03-20-2001 07:39 AM ET (US)
Sorry, it is **Steve Yost** not Scott Yost. Scott Yost was a friend of mine back in elementary school!
Dan Kalikow  11
03-20-2001 11:26 PM ET (US)
In my earlier Posting #3 in this Topic, I mused:
    It wasn't just that I was seeing data new to me. It was that the web was allowing me to jump out of the system in a totally unexpected, recursive, self-referential way. Here was the WWW: a medium so powerful that it could show me my own whole wide world -- at a click. How long would it be before I could jump into virtual subatomic or genomic space with the same ease?
Well, check out the following three new-to-me adventures in distributed world-wide supercomputing:Reminiscent of SETI@Home? Intentional I'm sure, but at the other end of the size scale. But is it the other end of the complexity scale? Hmmm... (Speaking of epiphanies: While we're busily folding a protein or nucleotide, what happens if we "wrap around" to a buncha Little Green Men (LGMs) broadcasting pi in binary from the Andromeda Galaxy?) (-: OBTW that "wrapping" pun was intentional :-)
Anyone for a TBTF/QT Team on one of these Fantastic Voyages? I've only just looked at the new microcosmic front Pp, and it's been over a year since I tried SETI@Home, so I don't know which is the most potentially useful, beautiful or fun. Plus, I hate to admit it, but there's no realistic chance of finding any LGMs if we go micro... If anyone wanted to team up, I'd guess that we'd need to make some sort of collective decision as to which client to use, to max the bang-for-the-cycle... Perhaps a branched topic is in order so that Wiser Heads (i.e., the Hive-Mind we can convene in a new Quick Topic) can do a mind-meld :-) ...


OBTW the reason I've labeled this Topic PUBLIC is that Keith Dawson "outed" it [with my permission] in last week's TBTF Log, so that all his email subscribers (and forward-ees) might be dropping in for a looksee here, and they might be traversing the linx they can find herein.

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