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18:40 GMT
Back on board after a lovely time with a group of friends in Wales.

How many of you know or are from Ponders End? Had a great guided walk around the area this afternoon. Margaret, this was also led by Joe who did the Pymmes Brook walk. He really works hard to entertain us all but this time could not even find a square inch that I didn't know.

The memorial garden for the Two Brewers is now complete and opened and the only thing I felt was a bit wrong is that nowhere that I could see were the casualties named.
Ronnie D
22:19 GMT
Geoff: Thanks again for your reply. Those overcoats were heavy enough dry, they must have weighed a hundred weight when wet. Hand signals are a thing of the past, I don't think they even include them in the Standard Driving Test now or do they? I still have some of the old silver and black buttons with the LT Griffin on, several Cap Badges (Red, Navy & White, Orange) and other LT Badges (Motor Club, TGW Union and Buses) and my PSV Drivers Badge, still in it's leather case. I handed my Conductors Badge back when I went driving.
Interesting that your Dad's apprentice helped design the RM. If I had the funds, I'd buy one for the fun of it.
09:37 GMT
Ronnie D: I have one of those drivers overcoats (in the loft).....paid 10/- for it from a guy in the uniform stores. The drivers coat had the white band around the right wrist so it could be seen when giving hand signals. (Remember them?)
I've always had a love for the RM too. One of the designers was my dad's apprentice at Tottenham Garage!
Ronnie D
22:23 GMT
Geoff: Many thanks for your reply. That must have been some task without Power Assisted Steering, back then and I'm guessing that they had no Cab or Saloon heating in winter either?? as I can remember the real thick overcoats that my Dad and Granddad used to wear with a white band on the wrist of the right arm.
I managed to obtain one of those overcoats (from an old hand at Edmonton Garage) when I was driving RM's, not that it was needed with a cab heater and even with the Power Assisted Steering, the coat was that thick it was difficult to steer when wearing it, so heaven knows how those Trolleybus drivers managed it, without Power Assisted Steering to.
The RM braking was far, far better I thought, than the DMS Type that came later, in fact I much preferred the RM to any other type or model of London Bus.
Margaret baker
20:36 GMT
Harry worth windows. Still raining in stansted feeling up the creek without a paddle, no public road transport here, still 5 year old Great is keeping me busy, we are building a super hero island, school project lol. It is going to be rubbish ha ha.
17:53 GMT
Hello to one and all.

@Ronnie D, Trolleybuses did not have power steering back then, although the modern day ones do!
The RM only had power assisted steering and the brakes were air over hydraulic.

Sorry to be picky but I am a bus anorak!!
Roy Fischer
18:14 GMT
I well remember the curved glass in Dales. Its purpose was to avoid reflection. There is a book shop in Piccadilly that still has the same.
Vlad the Imbiber
16:12 GMT
Yes I do remember Firth's. Like I said the curved window gave a clear view of the display but it may also have been used to deflect direct sunlight which could damage the display.
Margaret baker
11:02 GMT
Good morning from a very wet and miserable Stansted, granddaughter has arrived safe and sound in Las Vegas where it is hot, sunny and dry, Bah Humbug! One of the greats collected and taken to school, left to me to entertain the other great a 3 year old, going stir crazy allready, no bus, no shop,,but got a runway at bottom of garden lol.

Welcome Vlad, always good to hear new stories about Edmonton.

Hi Colin and welcome back.

Jackie it was lovely to meet you at last, yes we were lucky with the weather on the 5th, I did report the fly tipping but diddnt have time to follow up before I left for Granddaughters. Looking forward to the visit to view the poppies.
Colin C
03:26 GMT
VLAD THE IMBIBER - welcome aboard. Do you also remember FIRTH's shop on the Broadway (near Bridge Road end)? That, too, had a concave window which oddly enough, you don't see on shops nowadays. What exactly was the purpose of designing the window that way? Anything to do with strong sunlight affecting the goods on display?
Ronnie D
20:13 GMT
Colin C: Thanks for your reply and sorry to hear that you have not been well and I hope that you recover real soon. All the best and thanks again for all. Good Luck.
Vlad the Imbiber
08:39 GMT
Hi, I'm a new comer having just spotted this forum. I lived in Edmonton from 1954 to 1985.

That "add on' at the Cross Keys is definitely part of the pub and it was the entrance hall / foyer if I remember correctly. As you walked in you went down a flight of steps to one bar on the left and another on the right where the disco and the occaisional band used to play. There were various seating areas at different levels on a kind of open-plan design. Getting your round in and taking it back to your table was a bit of a trek not to mention a balancing act!

I used to go there regularly during the 1970's but I can't remember the last time I went in, probably 1982. Does anyone know when the pub was demolished?

BTW someone mentioned the windows at Dales furniture store on a previous post. I clearly remember them as being deeply curved so as not to reflect any light. This way the display inside was not obscured. There was a horizontal railing in front of the windows which was topped with a row of very sharp spikes - Ouch!
Colin C
05:11 GMT
Back on deck after dealing with bout of depression - medication seems to be doing the trick. It's a slow process but at least I can get up and face each day with more sense of control over my thoughts. Oddly enough, recent statistics reveal that over 50% of the Australian adult population suffer from some sort of mental health issues. Astonishing but then - maybe not given the age we live in.

Now,YOUNG ED - the building to the right of the pub was the beginning of a small parade of shops where WRAGGS the chemist and DALES department store used to be. If you mean the small square (white topped building) though, that looks like an 'add on' to the pub itself.

RONNIE C - do you know, I am not sure if the trolleybuses had power steering. I assume they did, given their size, but just not sure. Can anyone else help?
Young Ed
20:09 GMT

Ace petrol Dave? I had never heard of that one ... Here's a shot of The Cross Keys (1970) What was the building to the right of the pub?
Ronnie D
17:48 GMT
Colin C: (or any ex-Trolleybus Drivers / Mechanics).
Did Trolleybuses have any form of Power Assisted Steering in those days or would it have been brute strength to steer them?
Although the Route Master was only 7.5 tons un-laided weight, that could increase to 14 tons fully laiden, (or so they told us at Chiswick) and they had Power Steering and Air Brakes.
Just curious.
Dave W
08:04 GMT
I've been searching the net and the van I think is a Morris one ton. Also Young Ed you mentioned Shell & BP petrol for sale, have a look at the middle pumps, they are Ace petrol.
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