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Zef
07-30-2012
01:47 AM ET (US)
salut: dfj...sounds good (the complete cycle of Iesus)...I assume this means from his virgin birth to his ascension into heaven?...so, when will this start?...thnx
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dfjPerson was signed in when posted
07-28-2012
07:48 PM ET (US)
I would be interested in starting a discussion regarding the complete cycle of Jesus.
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Zef
04-17-2012
11:51 AM ET (US)
Shalom (saluta)

Phil remember (Jesus BROKE DOWN the middle wall of partition that "separated JEW and GENTILE")...Eph2:14...that's: "Eph2:14!!"

that created the "NEW AND LIVING WAY" (there is ONLY ONE WAY)...For Jew and Gentile alike...(Jn3:5/Jn10:16/Gal.3:28)

(Eph2:14-22)...Jew and Gentile "definitely" were made into "ONE PEOPLE"...to serve The Almighty God "THRU ONE SPIRIT"

"Two Peoples" (Jew and Gentile) became..."ONE FLOCK"...with..."ONE SHEPHERD" ("One Head")...in and of "ONE BODY OF CHRIST"...for "Salvations" here on Earth (Terra Firma) for Jew and Gentile
since the Day of Pentecost for the Jews and "the OPENING of THE DOOR of FAITH"...by the Apostle
PETER...to Cornelius...(a Gentile)...and ALL THE GENTILES...being able to RECEIVE...Baptism
of HOLY SPIRIT and WATER BAPTISM..."The ONLY WAY into the Kingdom of God" (Jn3:5)

(Jn3:5)...is "Not" for JEW only Phil (why?)...becoz Christ is NOT DIVIDED...Phil...(Jn10:16)...
"ONE FLOCK" with "ONE SHEPHERD" = "ONE FAITH"...in "ONE BODY" with "ONE HEAD" (Christ) here on
Terra Firma (Earth)...and has been like this or almost 2000yrs now (remember?)

Isn't that right...Phil, and Lance Douglas?...(my "non-trinitarian brothers")

THE "BAPTSIM OF HOLY SPIRIT" and "WATER BAPTISM" (in JESUS name) are
the ONLY criteria and way "INTO"...the Kingdom of God (Jn3:5) AMEIN
Edited 04-17-2012 12:13 PM
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Zef
04-15-2012
04:38 PM ET (US)
Shalom (salute)

Phil..(conclusion).."Two peoples" became "ONE FLOCK" with "ONE Shepherd" (ONE Head)..."One Body
of Christ" (for Jew and Gentile)...(Jn10:16)

When did this happen?...ever since Peter opened the door (of "THE FAITH") to the "Gentiles"...
(remember?)...for "THE GOOD SHEPHERD" (Jesus)...gave him the "KEYS" of the Kingdom...and PETER
opened "THE DOOR" to the Gentiles (remember Cornelius?)...also...what Paul the "SOLE" Apostle
to the Gentiles?...for 'The Apostle John"...became an Apostle of/over the Gentile Churches of Asia...after Paul die...(Phil do you know this?)
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Zef
04-15-2012
02:33 PM ET (US)
Shalom

Phil..."THE HEAD" (Y'shua/Iesou(s) Jesus has "Two peoples" (JEW and GENTILE)...yet "ONE FLOCK" as
"he" (The Head of Them)...IS...The "One Shepherd" (right Phil?)...Jn10:16

Seven "Ekklesia" of Asia...The Apostle John (a JEW) was "Sent" to continue in the place of PAUL
who "Nero Caesar Pontifex Maximus"..."KILLED"...and suddenly...THE APOSTLE JOHN found himself as
being APOSTLE of and over "Gentile Churches" (7 churches of asia)

Phil my friend...stop the "Division" NOW...(why?) becoz "YHWH" is about to "Restore these TWO
WITNESSS" which have everything to do with "JEW and GENTILE" as they were "Together in the 1st
Century Ekklesias...outside "Eretz Yisra'el"...(remember?)..."Jew and Gentile together worshipng
THE SAME GOD...with SAME SALVATION OPPORTUNITY...together in the various SYNAGOGUES" (assemblies)
especially in the 1st and 2nd Century even into the 3rd Century...(remember Phil?...my NON-TRIN
brother:)...remember? (Christ NOT Divided: 1Cor1:12-13)
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Zef
04-15-2012
12:39 PM ET (US)
Salute

Phil...there is "no scripture" that says that "Cornelius was a Proselyte to Judaism"...instead it
says that Cornelius did many alms deeds to the Nation of Yisra'el, praying to the God of Israel,
and fasting, for his prayers were heard...and God used him as a "PRIME EXAMPLE" of "Faith" which
the "Gentiles" were displaying. Cornelius was no Proselyte to Judaism...for: Cornelius becoz a
"BORN-AGAIN" Christian...being a Gentile with his whole house...being "BORN OF WATER AND SPIRIT"
just like "Jesus told Nicodemus"...which is THE ONLY CRITERIA to Enter "The Kingdom of God"

Phil...ye cannot "Add and or Subtract" FROM HIS WORD...to fit your concept. (there is ONLY ONE FAITH and ONLY ONE GOSPEL...as there is ONLY ONE HEAD to the ONE BODY)

Phil...did YOU...ever hear me say (here in writing)...that there is NO such thing as a 144,000
JEWISH MINISTRY...that will accept and work with YASHUAH HA MASHIAH from Yerushalayim when "he"
returns there...to Rule for the next 1000 yrs?

Phil...we already know this (brother:)...there was NEVER any disputing this point.

The point here has always been about "The Dispute" of whether the "Gentiles" could be "Saved THE
SAME WAY" as the JEWS...as told by Iesous (Jesus: always pronounce this as "Yeh-soo(s) as original Greek...but it's actually "Yah-shua" (or "Yeh-shua")...as YOU (Phil) claim that the
GENTILES (non-Jews) have NO right to be "Saved the same way as Jesus told Nicodemus"...as THE
ONLY WAY INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD...as "Water and Spirit Baptism" (Jn3:5)

But "Cornelius" (gentiles)...proves your "hypothesis" as just plain "Wrong" (there's only ONE Kingdom...that we all have been "Entering" for the past almost 2000 yrs)

Phil..."Can Truth Change?" (Heb13:8)...is there ONLY ONE GOSPEL...or 2 or 3 or more "gospels" as
"mis-interpretations" (defilements) of HIS WORD?

SHALOM
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Zef
04-15-2012
11:26 AM ET (US)
Shalom (salute)

(message) to "Phil" and any others who "think" there is "more that ONE Gospel" as "Phil" beleives there to be..."A SEPARATE PAULINE GOSPEL" as one gospel that applies only to "Jews" and another
(different) gospel that applies only to "Gentile"...for "Phil" believes that Gentiles cannot be Saved "THE SAME WAY" as the Jews and that "John3:5"...does NOT apply to "Gentiles" (as Claimed by Phil)

> the LAW (Torah/OT Way) was the "Schoolmaster" that brought us to
  Christ that "We All" might be justified by THE FAITH..(Gal.3:24)

> for as many of you as have been "BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST" (water and
  Spirit...ye have Put ON Christ..(Gal.3:27)

> So now...there is neither "JEW"..nor "GENTILE"..bond nor free, male
  nor female...for "YE ALL" have "Become ONE in Christ Jesus..(Gal.3:
  28)

This is the NON-TRINITARIAN WAY..."The One Faith of Christ"...in "THE ONE GOD OF YISRA'EL" (where JEW and NON-JEW/Gentile become ONE people)

Any Questions? (fire away)
Edited 04-15-2012 11:36 AM
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Zef
04-14-2012
04:21 PM ET (US)
Shalom (Salute)

Phil...shall there be "144,000" Jews that shall be "Sealed" w/HOLY SPIRIT?...absolutely, but that
is yet to happen.

The "misunderstanding" here is that "Our Friend Phil"...thinks that "Ha Goyim" (Nations) have NEVER been given "Equal Opportunity" to "Receive Baptism of Holy Spirit" and "Water Baptism" all
in the "Name of Iesous" (Yahshua)...which "They Have" which started with "The Apostle Peter"
Preeaching "THE GOSPEL OF MESSIAH YESHUA"...to "Ha Goyim"..."The House of Cornelius"...as the ONLY QUALIFYING CRITERIA..."to ENTER THE KINGDOM OF YHWH"...right Phil?

Does Phil "Think" that there is "More that ONE Gospel?"..."one for Jew and another/different Gospel for Gentile?"..."Is there More that ONE BODY OF CHRIST?" (Phil?)
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Zef
04-14-2012
02:41 PM ET (US)
Shalom (Salut)

Nope, aint gonna work Phil...there's NO such thing "Separate Gospels" one for Yehudim and a separate one for Goyim.

The Spirit of Yahshua haMashia (Yesus/Jesus) and the Spirit of YHWH has "Filled both Yehudim and Goyim"...freely ever since the Apostle Peter (remember him?)...preached to "Ha Goyim" starting
with "The House of CORNELIUS" (remember him?)

For "we" are ALL ONE "in" Messiah Yeshua (do you remember him?)

No room for "Doctrines of Division"...that "Separate Yahudim and Goyim"...for YHWH will RESTORE
("revive")..."THE TWO WITNESSES"...(do you know who they are Phil?)

Hey Phil...have YOU "received" the FREE GIFT of "HOLY SPIRIT?" (I have just like the day of SHAVUOT)...do you remember "Shavuot?"...that's were it all started...THE INCORPORATING OF BOTH
YEHUDIM and GOYIM...into "THE ONE BODY OF CHRIST"...for "Y'shua ha Mashiah is Lord and HEAD of
"ALL" both "Jew and Gentile"...is it not so Phil?
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Zef
04-14-2012
01:52 PM ET (US)
Shalom (Salut)

Phil my non-trin friend do you wear "kippa?" I'm looking for a "full size kippah" but I wonder if
Yahshua or Paul wore "kippa?"

> Paul an Apostle of Yahshua (Iesou) by the will of Yehwah (YHWH)

Now then Phil (my non-trin brother)...it doesn't matter what "Rabbim" of "Yahudaism" who follow
"HALAKHA" all day long try to "dictate" to "Goyim et Yahudim" about "HAVING SEPARATE RELIGIONS"

These "Rabbim" have a "long history" of doing exactly what the name "Yisra'el" means...for "they"
(Rabbim) have been "Struggling" with/against the will of YHWH ever since "The Jews Religion" KIlled MESSIAH (haMashiach)

Phil my "non-trin" brother...the days are coming when "YISRA'EL" shall no more be named "He who
STRUGGLES WITH/AGAINST YHWH" (Yisra'el)...for "HE" will name them by a "NEW NAME"

The days are coming what "Yisra'el" shall "NEVER AGAIN STRUGGLE AGAINST THEIR MAKER"...for "HE"
shall call them by a "NEW NAME"...or: HEF'ZIBAH...becoz HE will delight in her.

But we yet see "Yisra'el"...struggling against the WILL of their own Creator (YHWH)...why?

becoz of what "Stephen" a "JEWISH CHRISTIAN" pronounced against "THE JEWS RELIGION" (what did he
say?

> you stiffnecked and uncircusised in Heart and Ear..."YE DO ALWAYS RESIST THE HOLY SPIRIT" as
  your Fathers did...so also do ye do (Acts7:51)

So YHWH according to HIS Own Word had already said it...HE would "provoke YISRA'EL to jealousy" by "ha Goyim"

To this day...THE JEWS RELIGION...has "maintained" a "Self-Imposed Death Sentence" REFUSING to
depart from "THERE RELIGION" and "EMBRACE THE TRUTH"

What Truth?...that "JESUS WHO IS THE APOSTLE AND HIGH PRIEST OF 'OUR' CONFESSION"...is Lord of ALL (Jew and Gentile)...meaning...there is NO Separate Religion nor Gospel...one for JEW and a
different one for Gentile...for "WE" (Jew and Gentile) ARE ALL ONE IN YASHUAH HA MASHIACH...by the WILL OF..."YHWH ELOHE YISRA'EL"

Hey Phil..."Have YOU received the Free Gift of HOLY SPIRIT?" (I have) Shalom
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phil
04-14-2012
09:34 AM ET (US)
During the course of the Lord's earthly ministry and under the rule of the Twelve at Jerusalem, converts to the Kingdom message of Christ and John required repentence and baptism. No such requirement is found in Paul's gospel. Those of the nations under the Twelve, only three instances recorded in the Scriptures by the way, were required to keep the Law of Moses. No such requirement is found in Paul's gospel. Cornelius was a proselyte to the faith of Judaism, and was already keeping the law, so he was disqualified from the gospel that Paul preached. Cornelius was the seal of the last attempt to fulfill the covenant, the new and everlasting covenant, made by the body and the blood of Christ for those dwelling on the earth. The Kingdom of the heavens is an earthly kingdom. The appearing of the Son of Mankind for judgment and rule over the earth will usher in that kingdom. Ours is a habitation not built with hands, in bodies of incorruption in a celestial realm, not on earth. We will never be a part of that physical realm where the Jew will be superior to all the nations, ruling with the Lord and turning swords into plowshares and the lion and the lamb dwell together. Thetre is no equal footing for the nations with the Hebrews in that heavenly kingdom where the Twelve apostles rule over the tribes of Israel as kings and priest channeling God's blessings and healing for the nations. Two distinct administrations, one Kingdom of God.
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Zef
04-14-2012
01:57 AM ET (US)
Saluta

Phil...so you saying that YHWH by the name of Yahshua (Jesus) could never and would never Baptize
any Gentiles with "Baptism of Holy Spirit" according to Yahshua's word to Nicodemus as being the
ONLY WAY into "THE KINGDOM OF YHWH?"

Phil...are you confused? Either the Gentiles were given the opportunity to become "Born-Again"
by Receiving the "Baptism of Holy Spirit"...and Water Baptism to enter Into the Kingdom of YHWH
or not.

Phil...my friend ye cannot have it both ways...For "There's Only ONE FAITH, ONE GOSPEL, ONE YHWH,
and "ONE BODY OF CHRIST" with only "ONE WAY" to be saved...for YAHSHUA said it Plainly whey "he"
said..."I AM THE WAY" no man approaches the FATHER except by/thru "me" (Yahshua)

Phil...where is "THE TEMPLE" today? (it's IN HIS People...which have been JEW AND GENTILE)

Christ (Messiah)...IS NOT DIVIDED.
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Zef
04-14-2012
01:46 AM ET (US)
Saluta (Shalom)

Phil..so you've been taught one of the "Doctrines of Division" that Messiah cannot, will not, and has Never "Baptised any Gentiles" with the "Baptism of Holy Spirit?" according to Jn3:5?
meaning:

> Phil cannot believe that YHWH by the name of Yahshua haMashiach (Jesus) has ever "Baptised
  any Gentiles (non-Jews) with Holy Spirit?"

Q. Is Phil "the Baptiser?" Does Phil "Control YHWH?"..."Does Phil pick and choose who receives
   Baptism of Holy Spirit and who doesn't?"..."Has Phil tried DESPERATELY to Block the Flow of
   Holy Spirit?"

Phil my friend...whoever taught you that "False Doctrine" is definitely Not a Friend of YHWH as
Abraham was...as YHWH swore to Abraham that "HE" would make Abraham "THE FATHER OF MANY NATIONS"
(Nations = "Gentiles")

Did not even the Great Apostle Peter...make such an astonishing statement as "I PERCEIVE THAT YHWH is NO respecter of Faces/persons?"..but Peter did PERCEIVE THE GRACE OF YHWH on the Gentiles
and said this:

> But in EVERY NATION (Gentiles)...whoever "Fears YHWH" and works Righteousness is incorporated
  by HIM.

Phil...imagine that...from the mouth of a "True Witness of YHWH"...Peter a JEW...witnesses the
GENTILES...receiving THE GRACE and BAPTISM OF HOLY SPIRIT OF YHWH...in the name of "Yesous of
Nazaret"
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Zef
04-13-2012
09:10 PM ET (US)
SALUTE

Phil my friend...the days of "Doctrinal Dividing" [ARE OVER] and the days of "Building" yet another "Grand Organization" are at an end. Everything that is "BUILT WRONG" will NOT STAND,
for "THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES" is almost "Fulfilled" (Rom11:25/KJV)
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Zef
04-13-2012
08:05 PM ET (US)
Salut

Phil...so are you saying that NO GENTILES have ever been "BORN" of "Water and Spirit Baptism?"
(like Yahshua told Nicodemus as the ONLY critaria to ENTER THE KINGDOM OF YHWH)

Cornelius (gentile) and his whole house (gentiles) were "Baptised w/Water and Holy Spirit"
(and spoke in TONGUES...as a sign they were FILLED/Baptismed w/Holy Spirit) which agrees with
Yahshua's word to "Nicodemus" as the ONLY criteria to ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Phil my friend...don't let me catch you in a "Contradiction" (you said the word of Yahshua to
Cornelius was NOT for the Gentiles)...

There is ONLY ONE WAY to "Enter"...the KINGDOM OF YHWH...which applies to JEW and GENTILE which is what Yahshua told Nicodemus..."Baptism of Water and Holy Spirit"...and Yahshua is the Baptiser
who does this...for "he" is Lord of ALL.
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Zef
04-13-2012
07:43 PM ET (US)
Salut (Shalom)

Phil..I believe that you already know what Jesus said to a "Non-Jew" [The Samaritan Woman] at the well that the time was coming that "THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS" would NOT be Worshipping YHWH the
FATHER at "The Temple" nor at Yerushalayim: meaning Not according to the JEWS RELIGION (Judaism)
and was also a "PROPHESY" pointing to the fact that THE TEMPLE would be destroyed (no longer there)
But we all know this already...the Question NOW is: "Where then do WE worship?"...seeing that the
most "CENTRAL FIGURE" (The Temple at Yerushalayim) has been destroyed for A VERY LONG TIME now, this would mean that "THE MAIN FEATURE OF THE LAW IS MISSING" (making it IMPOSSIBLE to Keep the
LAW becoz NO MAN can offer up a sin offering on the brasen alter at Yerushalayim)

Therefore since YHWH had caused the TEMPLE to be "Removed" (permanently)..."HE" has "Another
Temple Now" that "HE" has been dwelling in "ON EARTH" by His Own Spirit.

WE no longer need the "Levitial Priesthood" nor that "Temple" which used to be a Yerushalayim which required a LEVITE as a HIGH PRIEST.

YAHSHUA "IS" OUR APOSTLE AND HIGH PRIEST..."Yahshua has been OUR Apostle and High Priest" ever since YHWH opened up "THE WAY" into HIS KINGDOM...when "HE" gave "The Gospel of HIS KINGDOM" to
"the Gentile Nations" who would "Bring forth the Fruit HE was requiring"

YAHSHUA..said it like this to "THE JEWS" who were "Rejecting him"

> Therefore shall "The Kingdom be Removed from You...and given to The Nations (Gentiles) that
  shall bring forth the Fruits (fruitful thru THE FAITH OF Y'SHUA) thereof (Matt21:43)

Q. Phil...where is the "Temple" now? and Who is the "High Priest" of That Temple?
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