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1241
VET
05-25-2012
03:12 PM ET (US)
Ok, so I called the agency and just found out that with the appellant getting reinstated, I also wanted to see if the appellant can receive the retirement incentive just offered today for the mailhandlers. They stated it was ok. That's all, I asked, they said Yes that's all. I will have the paperwork with the settlement next week. This is great, time to wind down with a cold one and contemplate my strategies for the upcoming new case. Have a great weekend folks, and remember, dont ever give up. Godspeed--------
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1239
VET
05-25-2012
02:12 PM ET (US)
Thanks Kimmmiek, and all that wanted to be part of this case. Thanks PEA for your information as well as the sarcasm. It was a great ride, and now I have to take care of another case. Whew!
Edited 05-25-2012 02:13 PM
1238
VET
05-25-2012
02:11 PM ET (US)
Great news everyone, the law office for the service had called yesterday and wanted to settle without the hearing. They stated the stettlement is on my terms and they just do not want to deal with it anymore. I will definitely keep everyone informed and will attach the settlement in my upcoming post. What a great way to kick off the memorial weekend! Godspeed
Edited 05-25-2012 02:11 PM
1237
KIMMIEKPerson was signed in when posted
05-24-2012
05:23 PM ET (US)
Good luck VET... and thank you
pea for the valuable information and the insight of what you as a Advocate deals with on our behalf. With forums like this we all get a better understanding of how many of us there are. Forums like this actually help our cause with stories and remedies. All in all we are all different human beings with different journeys we all must take. I find these forums enlightening for all of us and I am learning quite a bit off of it.


kk
1236
VET
05-24-2012
03:43 PM ET (US)
PEA, good points there in 1232. Staats, I hope is overlooked by the agency and will not be brought up. Remembering that there are thousands of cases with language that is useful or not, it would be impossible to look up all the cases and to cite them. I do agree the fact the apellant did not have to sign the documentation, but ultimately the employee would have been fired. Fired would have been a greater case, but that is not what the issue is. I do think that the Weingarten rights will hold some water, as the apellant was denied all forms of representation. The two EEO settlements that even has the binding language of putting the appellant in a permanent modified job offer, should hold weight as well. The fact this had happened and the employee was promised something they did not get is what I am focusing on. He was promised 6hrs of OWCP, when we all know they cannot do that and was never compensated for the hours. After five months have passed and burning all forms of earned leave, the appellant never came back. The agency then dropped him from the rolls without even offering retirement options. The appellant then filed for SS and was given that income and has been living on that since. Would the Tally case be beneficial to mention? I think so, but only using this case as a reference, I would need more ample solutions to overcome this monstrosity of a case. Citing only a few reference cases might not be overlooked by the AJ, but I just need to grab that attention from the AJ and hold onto it as long as I can. I am going to start my arguments of going down the line of the statement of facts involved, but also will also ask teh question as to why this process had stopped all of a sudden. Not bashing stewards as I was one many eons ago, but when it comes to OWCP, many are ill versed on the realm of the mass amount of loopholes to know. On tangent, Sandy can I add your name to the list of witnesses or would this be a conflict with your class action? If added I will try to e-mail you again and go from there. In the interim folks, I think the next wave of this rural Po's will sort of be like another round of RIF. I will keep you guys/gals posted as D-day is coming near for this M.S.P.B. case in June. Godspeed------------
Edited 05-24-2012 03:44 PM
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KIMMIEKPerson was signed in when posted
05-24-2012
04:42 AM ET (US)
Sullivan.. I was told the same thing and I was breaking down at this time.. They attempted to mislead us even to the point of who to go to to file charges on this .. with EEOC, MSPB etc.

The situation being do.. and the numbers that go before these panels and judges.. I wonder if the judges and the panels will see this pattern.. which is happening over and over again.

If the USPS cuts communications with you like in my case and fails to talk with you other than giving you job offers that you cannot possibly do.. I would say that everything they send in writing can be cause and evidence of constructive discharge/termination because there has never been given any relief nor assistance to rectify the situation..

 The USPS was rather sneaky to their employees. We trusted them enough that they were helping and not hurting us. NOT THE CASE.

 They sent us into crafts we have never done and were not qualified to do.Many were told to report 400 miles away. They lied and stated we must sign or we will lose our benefits which is not exactly true.

I was told by my Claims examiner and the nurse they sent me to that the job was NEVER approved by OWCP and they had not even went to the plant to yet. They did after I was re-injured. But it was not approved.

So obviously each case if different -- yet the same as they discriminated up to the NRP.. and then thereafter. Just food for thought.

kk
1234
KIMMIEKPerson was signed in when posted
05-24-2012
04:27 AM ET (US)
Vet.. They stated in a letter that phase of the program was done.. However I believe it was because of the enormity of the McConnell Class Action. Also, You all must understand, Even though there is many in this class .. the USPS has since rehired and has given damages to the NRP'd employees already in many areas of the country.

 I was told by my union reps that in my district most all have returned to gainful employment.Does the USPS consider what it did to an entire class of people discriminatory, possibly. So the numbers have changed significantly.

 Also there is a new game being played with this as many are now being given job offers they do not qualify for and being stripped of both OWCP PR and are being placed on AWOL to a point where a constructive termination can take place.

When I was subsumed by the judge there was language placed in my claim that stated once moved forward and settlement is detailed I can then file for all my damages and if I have to opt out to receive proper relief I shall.

kk
Edited 05-24-2012 04:32 AM
1233
Sullivan
05-23-2012
08:43 PM ET (US)
 The problem is if you refuse to accept a limited duty job offer while receiving wage loss compensation, after roughly 30 days, OWCP will stop the wage loss compensation. Don't sign/accept, don't get paid. That's coercion to me.
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Postal Employee AdvocatePerson was signed in when posted
05-23-2012
03:41 PM ET (US)
Reposted from March, 2006.

It has recently been brought to my attention that there are still some well-meaning stewards who are advising their constituents to sign documents which they don’t agree with (Limited Duty Job Offers, retirement applications, etc.) but to note that they are doing so “Under Protest”.
An appellant may show that an employee initiated action is involuntary by presenting sufficient evidence to establish that the action was obtained through duress or coercion or showing that a reasonable person would have been misled by the agency. Talley v. Department of the Army, 50 M.S.P.R. 261, 263 (1991). To establish a claim of duress or coercion, the appellant must show that: (1) One side involuntarily accepted the terms of another; (2) circumstances permitted no alternative; and (3) those circumstances were the result of coercive acts of the opposite party. Soler-Minardo, 92 M.S.P.R. 100. However, an employee cannot establish that an acceptance is involuntary by making a written notation that an action was accepted “under duress.”
The Federal Circuit has noted, in the context of an alleged involuntary retirement, that the doctrine of coercive involuntariness is a narrow one, and it should not apply where an employee chooses to resign or retire because he does not want to accept a measure that the agency is authorized to adopt, even if that measure makes continuing in the job so unpleasant for the employee that he feels that he has no realistic option but to leave. Staats v. U.S. Postal Service, 99 F.3d 1120, 1124 (Fed. Cir. 1996).
The bottom-line is; if you sign it – you agree to it, even if you do so under protest. If you don’t agree to it DON’T sign it.
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VET
05-23-2012
02:27 PM ET (US)
Brad, I agree with the lawyer part. The complexity of a class action is the reasoning this is taking so long. If the individual filed just on their behalf, the case would have merely taken a year. Whenever they stated no work available, I filled a 3971 out stating that and they always made their remark of work available. After submitting a 3971 daily with these remarks I put down, they have given up as they saw I was working OT daily. June 6th 2012? You mean 2011? The lawyers that are retained by the complaianant, do not work for the company. Brad on your accomodation, did they have it in writing and agreed upon using the mail cart? If so did you file an action against them? What was the outcome if any? I feel your frustration as I am representing someone that worked side by side with me, and then let go. This employee worked daily for 8hrs and then teh agency had found that it was not feasible to have the employee anymore. That is what I am fighting right now for the employee. The just cause situation will be established somehow once I put all of this together. Kimmiek, they stated they were done but what was the reasoning? Did teh employees recently file OWCP benefits? Have the employee obtain statements from injured employees that are still working and have them state they are left alone. This will not be an easy task, but if obtained will be beneficial for them in the long run. I gotta run, I have a mound waiting for me. Godspeed----
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Bradley
05-23-2012
10:26 AM ET (US)
I was NRP after 26 years as a letter carrier. I used a mail cart as a reasonable accomodation for 9 year's when they suddenly took the cart away. I was given another job, I asked to have the job evaluated by my Doctor in writing to see if it meet my work limitations. They told me I had to do the job or go home. I did the job under protest. I was injured doing the new assignment that very day they demanded I go out. I haven't worked since. That was June 6, 2012. I've been following this class action thing I think it is a shame that these lawyers are able to tie up this thing for 7 years with no end in sight. How do we know these lawyers aren't on the side of the Post-Office. These cases should be done individually. This class-action thing is a joke on people like myself who have an opened and shut case of discrimination against the PO. I when from $58,000 a year to $24,000, I have a wife and two children 15 and 18. The lawyers make a bundle and we get screwed again. It's a travisty of justice!!!!!!! Brad
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KIMMIEKPerson was signed in when posted
05-22-2012
11:01 PM ET (US)
Vet

They said that they were done with that stage of their program. I am not so certain that is the case.. I have 2 co workers that have been diagnosed now with degeneration because of old on the job injuries.. both need surgery and both can never carry mail again.. they were both told .. no work available.. and they are both waiting for their injuries to be accepted at the OWCP.

kk
1228
VET
05-22-2012
12:01 AM ET (US)
Silly but I have to ask. Why did the USPS stop the NRP? Was it due to an instant filing of a suit against them, followed up with numerous others? I still ask myself that today. What form of NRP will be used in the future, RIF's? I keep seeing the RTR (Retirement, Thrift Savings,Reduction in force) report in the OPF. The funny thing is, everytime I frequent the site, the page refreshes in the OPF of the day it is viewed. With going full steam ahead with this case, I have ran across several roadblocks in which I have yet to overcome. I have ample time to figure it out. In the meanwhile, hang in there everyone. Godspeed----
1227
VET
05-21-2012
11:53 PM ET (US)
I agree!
1226
glenale
05-19-2012
09:58 AM ET (US)
1225, amen!!!!
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