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Brenda Davis
04-29-2010
05:15 PM ET (US)
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Thank you for posting my dr. Payne assignment to discussion board. But you have me as stevie instead of Brenda Davis. Just wanted to let you know didnt want stevie to catch any heck bcause of my postings. lol.
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StevieB  04-28-2010
07:05 AM ET (US)
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Mr Bailes,
I cant find the email on the Ruby Payne assignment and the post for the discussion board. I must have deleted it by mistake. I watched the utube video and read up on this lady and not sure whether i like her or not. She can definitely tell a good convincing story but i dont agree with all she has to say. I realy dont think she has learned alot of her material from experience. I believe every situation and person is different. I have seen rich peaple with bad manners and bad habits and were born into money and dont want to work as well as ive seen poor people come from nothing but were taught manners and succeeded bcause they worked hard not bcause they were give everything. Every situation and person is different. I do agree with the analogy about food, the poor want quantity, the middle class want quality and rich want presentation to a certain extent. But just bcause the poor dont have it doesnt mean their not happy with what they have. Probaly happier bcause they appreciate it more. One thing about it is the poor have to live in the here and now and worry from day to day how their gonna make it and maybe eventually get a lucky break or their desire to do better then their parents did to try to make it to the middle class but they are definitely just as capable. Some just have circumstances beyond their control. I have been poor and really cant say im in the middle class now but i have manners, got a good work ethic, raised my kids not to fight and have manners, i dont do drugs, etc and the best part is is that im just as happy as most rich people i no and i definitly no who my friends are. lol. You definitly picked a controversial figure in this women. If you could for me please post this to the discussion board. Like i said i cant get that link or if you prefer just grade from the email. ; Thank You, Brenda Davis
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Tommy Coleman
04-27-2010
01:05 PM ET (US)
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I liked the video with Dr Payne and found it entertaining. I liked her view of the middle class, and i agree that i would like the money but i am comfortable living in lower class. I like her views on the hidden rules also and found that to be true.
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Robert Arbogast
04-27-2010
02:53 AM ET (US)
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Although Dr. Payne's lecture was entertaining, I think that's all it is. She does distinguish some hidden social mysteries that I never knew about. I think mainly the reasons why I don't understand is because I felt her lectures were aimed more towards women than men. I also found her on the wikipedia article that her findings were inconclusive and/or generalized. I don't agree that teachers should have "understand poverty" in order to "help low-income children." I think this is kind-of invasive to the instructor's teaching style. In conclusion, I think that Dr. Payne may be a good comedian but lacks the basic principles of teaching. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools..." Romans 1:22 Edited 04-27-2010 02:54 AM
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Heidi Peregory
04-26-2010
11:16 AM ET (US)
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Ruby Payne seems like a smart woman and a deep thinker. I enjoyed her lecture.
First, I want to say that allthough she thinks that all middle class people want more money, that is probabbly not true. Money is a good thing, it can meet our physical needs, but I come from a middle class family and as long as my basic needs are met, more money is not that important to me.
Second, food does have different degrees of importance or ways of being appreciated by different classes of people. Most children who live in poverty would be overjoyed by foods that middle class children would take for granted or get tired of having.
Third, In the article titled "How understanding poverty can help low-income children". The fact that teachers must learn how to interact with children from different economic backgrounds was emphasized. Just because a child is from a low-income family does not mean that the child is stupid, but as a teacher you must learn how to relate to each child and the way that he or she learns.
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Daniel Nesslerodt
04-26-2010
07:38 AM ET (US)
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Ruby Payne's "Crossing The Tracks" brought up some points I hadn't considered. She talked about the hidden rules that we follow when dealing with people from a different economic environment. I agreed with what she said about poorer people worrying about having enough food to feed their families, while middle class was concerned about the quality of their food. Growing up, I can remember my Mom making water gravy because we didn't always have milk, but she always made do with what she had and it was good. I guess I kind of grew up in both environments in that respect. I'm not cocerned with the presentation of food, so I guess my wealth came from other sources. Ms. Payne said that the myth is that middle class people are happy while the reality is that everyone wants more. I guess that is true in some cases, but I believe that being content with your own happiness and well-being is better than all the money in the world.
I enjoyed what she said about not getting her dish back. I have found that people with less are always the first to pay their debts and return what they've borrowed.
When I watched the culture of poverty, I was a little confused until I looked at Framework for Understanding Poverty on Wikpedia. Then I realized that the examples in cultures of poverty represented generalization poverty and situational poverty.
When Shandra was interviewed, she said she had lived everywhere, wants to have fun, but like is all good because she had a job at a supermarket. She also talks about her baby staying with various family members, and that her mother also is remarried, but her stepfather doesn't want her and the baby living with them. This leads me to believe she is a descendant of generalization poverty.
Jenna, on the other hand, was raised in a working family. She was going to school and took time out to raise a family. After her divorce she works in a supermarket but wants more She wants to be independent and return to school. Although she has been faced with some tough times, she wants to make a better life for herself. jenna is a victim of situational poverty.
I did enjoy the outlook on money when Ruby Payne talked about different classes. She said that people in a poverty status thought money was to spend, middle class thought money should be managed and the wealthy thought money was for conserving or investing. It seems that as we look at the people around us, there is a lot of truth in that.
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Ta-Yare Meade
04-23-2010
02:31 PM ET (US)
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When I saw this week's viewing assignment was a clip from Dr. Ruby Payne I was a little surprised that you would have us view Dr. Payne considering that many educators find her theories to be unproven, stereotypical, classist, and somewhat racist and you yourself are an educator....interesting. I've spent alot of time this semester learning about Dr. Ruby Payne in my teacher education class. Its interesting how this class correlates with my teacher education class.
Anyway, I do agree with Dr. Payne that there are hidden rules among the classes..."The key point is that hidden rules govern so much of our immediate assessment of an individual and his/her capabilities. These are often the factors that keep an individual from moving upward in a career - or even getting the position in the first place". We all need to be aware that the hidden rules exist and, if possible, know the hidden rules
of classes different than our own.... You know what that say when you "assume".
But what I don't agree with is teaching students, or anyone, in poverty the rules that will help them navigate the system rather than the steps to fix the system that keeps them in poverty. Nor do I agree with the notion that it is the economical circumstances of our students that lead to low achievement or low test scores. One would think that as a former educator Dr Payne would know that other circumstances play a part in the quality of education or achievement our students receive.
I would buy Dr. Payne's book, to read with skepticism. She does intrigue me.
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Sara Hurt
04-23-2010
11:18 AM ET (US)
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April 22 assignment Ruby Payne
I found this presentation interesting and easy to follow. The subject was something I have not thought about before. I recgonized that there are unwritten laws in other areas but not in the different income groups.
This brings to mind what Mom used to tell us, years ago, when we had an especially hard to handle preschooler. We would be complaining about his not being 'house broken' and Mom would tell us that we needed to consider the changes the child was expected to make. Give them a chance. Don't assume anything. It would be comparable to our going to a foreign country. We had to give them time to learn our expectations. Some adapt quickly and move on and some just can't seem to get past the challenges.
Another thing that I have learned from the children is that the lower the income level the more excited the children seem to be about what we do and the activities that are available. The middle income kids are so used to all the material advantages and it is very hard to find anything that excites them. They get bored easily.
I think I might buy Ms Payne's book.
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