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MainePMR
03-31-2015
01:41 PM ET (US)
Posistion is posted again on USPS.com APO Postmaster doesn't know anymore than I do.
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Atthirty
03-31-2015
01:12 PM ET (US)
Ask the APO postmaster what they think has happened.
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MainePMR
03-31-2015
10:54 AM ET (US)
I just got an email from Human Resources saying that the PSE posistion I applied for (my office) has been cancelled. No further explanation given. So if PMR's aren't able to work in 4 hr offices, what does this all mean? Anyone know what is going on?
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Atthirty
03-27-2015
09:53 PM ET (US)
To marlam: It appears there has been a NTFT selected for the 6 hour office you are still running. You don't want to be a PSE and that won't happen unless you apply for a PSE open job. The 6 hour RMPO office can only be filled with a regular clerk. As soon as the APO gets its staffing in place, the clerk will come take over you office and you will no longer be offered any PMR hours.
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Atthirty
03-27-2015
09:50 PM ET (US)
All newly hired PSEs 814 (used for window work) and newly hired career clerks MUST take the 473 test as soon as it can be offered to them. PMR2PSE gives good advice so pay attention and don't worry that much. The test is part of the job requirement because these are APWU craft jobs.
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PMR2PSEPerson was signed in when posted
03-26-2015
07:31 AM ET (US)
Got it. Just the same, yeah: First worry about passing the 421, and *then* check with your PM and/or assigned trainer what reasonable dress expectations would be for your window training. I wound up training at my APO, and since I am assigned to a manual office (no POS) the training expectations weren't as rigid as they were for people working in a POS station -- at least not in my district, and so many of these kinds of details seem to vary by district. As for the *classroom* training itself (not customer-facing), it can be fairly casual but I wouldn't recommend "sloppy".

I am really surprised that when you were hired as a PSE, your PM didn't know anything about the classroom training, 421 exam and OJT requirement. My PM was also in the dark about all this when the MOU first came out and surfaced in our locations in early October, but by the time I was hired in as the PSE, we had these details already (and in my "interview" -- a formality in my case -- I was told what all the steps would be).
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karlaleah
03-26-2015
07:19 AM ET (US)
Yes, I had applied for the PSE to keep my job and passed the 473. I just recently was finally actually hired and took my 5 day break then they sprung this on me. No explanation and had no idea what was going on. My AO Postmaster didn't even know. I wasn't concerned about what to wear to work, just the training. I definitely will be taking notes and paying attention! Thanks again for the tips and I wont be leaving any blanks!
Edited 03-26-2015 07:20 AM
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PMR2PSEPerson was signed in when posted
03-26-2015
07:12 AM ET (US)
/m3808 That's pretty much it. PMRs are being forced/phased out of 4-hour RMPOs and replaced by a PSE SSDA. (Actually the process was supposed to be done by December 22, 2014.) So in order to "keep their jobs," so to speak, PMRs had to apply for it, hope no one in the union pecking order claimed it, and be hired into it. It sounds like you applied, passed the 473, and were hired in but have not yet had the classroom training or the 421 exam.

As for what to wear, you likely won't have to be too dressy, but sloppy and overly casual is probably not a good idea either. But worry about that later. FIRST concentrate on paying attention in the classroom training, taking good notes and passing the exam. After passing the 421, then you can ask questions about attire (most of us as 4-hour PSEs in an RMPO won't have a uniform allowance or requirement). It may depend on what the local PM expects, and also whatever the OJT trainer suggests before you start classroom training. For me, a polo shirt, a neat, clean pair of new jeans (i.e. not faded, not tattered, not torn) and leather sneakers were sufficient at the training site, even when the career clerks wore a uniform. But your PM and/or trainer may specify otherwise.

Remember what I said, though -- you can almost always eliminate at least two of the four possible answers as obviously wrong, and that there is no additional penalty for guessing wrong compared with leaving it blank. (That is to say, leave *nothing* blank!)
Edited 03-26-2015 07:14 AM
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karlaleah
03-26-2015
07:01 AM ET (US)
Thanks PMR2PSE, I became a PSE to be able to continue running my 4 hr RMPO and all of a sudden I was told I was scheduled to take the SSA training. I wasn't asked and wasn't told any details. From reading the APWU I see they are converting some of us to work in the 4 hr offices. I assume that's what they have planned for me. Thanks for the training info.I have been nervous since I don't test well and need at least an 80% to pass.One other simple question, should I wear my dress clothes or can I wear jeans? What was worn during your week?
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PMR2PSEPerson was signed in when posted
03-26-2015
06:57 AM ET (US)
/m3806 First of all, they can't just "offer" you a PSE position; as a PMR/OIC you have to apply for it and be hired into it just like someone off the street. And they can't *force* you to take a PSE position outside of the usual union pecking orders and transfer rules (which don't apply to you as a PMR/OIC). Which test did you pass? The 473 (required for being considered for hire as a PSE) or the 421 (the SSA exam which is required after classroom training to keep the job)? Even if only the 473, I'm surprised you would have taken it if you didn't apply for a position that required it as a prerequisite for hire.

Management could suggest, even encourage, you to apply for an open PSE position and given the staffing issues they have, you might have a very high chance of getting it. But if you don't apply, they can't offer it or forcibly make you a PSE, and you can't "turn down" a job offer that you never applied for. They could RIF you at that point, and yes, you would likely be eligible for unemployment.
Edited 03-26-2015 06:59 AM
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marlamPerson was signed in when posted
03-25-2015
11:04 PM ET (US)
Am new here. I am a PMR/OIC in a 6 hr office. In 2013 was made OIC for my office. In 2014, office became a RMPO. In Nov I took the PSE test and passed. Later, a list of 4 hr offices were sent out and I selected my 2 preferences. I was not selected to fill those offices. I spoke to HR and was told there were 9 other people who scored higher on PSE test.

 On Dec 12, a clerk, from my APO was selected to take over my office. She has been here several times and I "trained" her = or as it was called she "shadowed me a work" We asked when she would take over office and what would happen to me. Was told Poom and PM would make the decision on time. Never was told what hey would do with me.
In meantime, the APO is down several PSEs and clerks, so my replacement is still at APO.

Soooooo , can I be forced (maybe too strong a word) to become a PSE? How long do the results of my Nov. PSE test last? I have no desire to be a PSE that has to travel from office to office. Any ideas, if I am offered a PSE position, can I turn it down and not be penalized for unemployment
At this point I am thinking a RIF letter would be welcome
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PMR2PSEPerson was signed in when posted
03-25-2015
10:33 PM ET (US)
/m3804, I took the 421 a few weeks ago and passed it. There were 50 questions, all multiple choice. In almost all cases it's easy to eliminate two of the four choices as obviously wrong, and there is no penalty for guessing.

It didn't directly cover POS, no; I can't recall any questions specifically devoted to the POS system. For people taking the 421 to take a SSA role (such as a PSE SSDA which is what the 4-hour RMPOs are becoming), POS training will come only after you take and pass the 421 and start your 40 hours of required OJT with a trainer. That is where you really start training with POS specifically. The training may very by district if you are going to be assigned to a manual office (i.s. where there is no POS).
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Karlaleah
03-25-2015
09:59 AM ET (US)
Who has recently taken the SSA exam 421? I am wondering if it has written questions on it also or if it just multiple choice? And does it cover POS at all?
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Atthirty
03-24-2015
05:00 AM ET (US)
Excuse me, I ment "I am PMR at level 18, hired as a PSE". Which came first.... the PMR or the PSE. We're you a PMR at a level 13,15,16 and the office upgraded to level 18?
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Atthirty
03-23-2015
11:56 PM ET (US)
I don't understand "I am a PMR at a level 20, hired as a PSE." The 421 test does not make you a PSE. If you are getting paid at PMR, rate how could you be hired as a PSE. If you have access to lite blue, log on and go to OPF site and look at your form 50. Last form 50 will tell you what you are hired at. Also what does your timecard say. If it says Des Act 580 you are a PMR. If the number ends in 818 you are PSE 818 if ends in 814 you are PSE 814.
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Atthirty
03-23-2015
05:58 PM ET (US)
If you say yes to the canvassing, then HR will take a look at which PSEs said yes and offer it to the one with most seniority. You will become PTF at that office. Did you contact the PM and ask how many hours? Do they have RMPOs you'll be relieving? You can't stay a PSE at a level 18. The contract does not allow PSEs at level 18 PO. You can be a PSE at a RMPO though. Again if you want to be career, you are given an opportunity.
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