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Deleted by author 07-02-2015 07:53 PM
05:53 PM ET (US)
I might be up for the position of PTF. i have taken the Pre Test 421, but, it seems like there should be more question. it basically covers Priority Mail,Express mail, Parcel Post,Etc, is there other Study guides anyone else is aware of?
01:08 PM ET (US)
theres no PTF in our cluster, she (PMR) wont work the other offices, so let her work her old office. I have to cover the other 2 office because their pse's took PTF jobs elsewhere.
PMR2PSE2PTFPerson was signed in when posted
03:14 PM ET (US)
/m4129 The only online study guide I'm aware of is a commercial link that is often posted here and quickly deleted.
Edited 06-27-2015 03:14 PM
02:45 PM ET (US)
Can any one help? Looking for the (CBT) 421 Postal Exam Pre Test. Is this test the same as the ( SSA ) 421 Exam? I am not able to find the (CBT).
02:54 PM ET (US)
For anyone needing info on who is their union rep.....202-842-4250....
National APWU #.
They will get you where you need to be.
And yes PMR's are not to be working in anything other than a 2 hr office... If you do nothing, it will continue to happen...Call
PMR2PSE2PTFPerson was signed in when posted
02:34 PM ET (US)
/m4126 I don't think an RMPO PSE would normally relieve somewhere else while their own RMPO is operating. But I do believe a PSE can be used to relieve additional hours apart from their regular time at the RMPO. For example, if someone works (say) 7:45-12:15 at a 4-hour RMPO which is open from 8 to noon, they may be asked to relieve a level 18 APO from (say) 1-4 PM, assuming no PTFs are available to work at that time (since PSEs can relieve at a level 18 only if no PTFs can be scheduled to provide it). It would be odd to send an RMPO PSE to relieve another office while their own office would normally be open.

As to the question posed in /m4125, yes, that is a no-no. A PMR can no longer work in a 4-hour RMPO, at least not "legally" according to the contract and subsequent MOU from last September. In this case, if you used the PSE somewhere else, you would need to use a PTF to relieve the RMPO, and in that case, why move the PSE from the RMPO? Just use the PTF to relieve other offices, since that is specifically an expected duty of a PTF. And you would not be able to use a PSE like this to relieve a level 18, since if a PTF were available, THEY would have to relieve the L18 -- not the PSE.
Edited 06-26-2015 02:38 PM
02:12 PM ET (US)
Excellent question... I've called mine 3 times this week with no reply yet.

Actually... I don't think the RMPO PSE can be forced to do relief work - I could be wrong, though.
If she's still a PMR, in a four-hour office, she shouldn't be there at all.
That is for the PTF to do.
Do you have a PTF in your cluster?
Edited 06-26-2015 02:13 PM
01:54 PM ET (US)
I am a PSE that is sent to cover all the other cluster offices other than my own, the PMR that I replaced gets to work my office. She refuses to go to other offices. What Crap! Also, I have never heard a word from the union. Not one peep. Didn't show when I was converted at testing site either. How can I get a hold of someone??
08:49 AM ET (US)
The senior PTF in the APO did not want to take the 6 hour RMPO. So the other PTF took it, now there is the opening for the spot she left. They have a cleaning contract in most level 18 offices, with an outside cleaning contractor. APO PM doesn't have much choice, he was told to take the clerk that is the Senior PTF.
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10:06 PM ET (US)
If you are in a level 18 office, there should be a set amount of hours just for cleaning. This is separate from clerk work. When I was a PTF, my office had 9 hours of cleaning per week. When cleaning I wore jeans and a t-shirt and only did cleaning tasks. The cleaning hours were in addition to the hours I got doing clerk work. Two different LDC's.
09:29 PM ET (US)
It is up to the postmaster to tell each PTF what they want cleaned and follow through with it. That said keeping busy is the key. If there are more pressing jobs to be done than cleaning and the postmaster won't allow more hours, I guess some of the cleaning won't be done.
08:53 PM ET (US)
That's what I'm getting at... I don't especially enjoy cleaning, but would do it IF I were paid EXTRA hours for doing it. If that won't happen, I sure don't want to bring up the cleaning issue because I seriously doubt the other PTF would lift a finger to clean anything and I don't want to do it all myself - especially if I'm not being paid extra to do it.
The added six hours (or whatever it would be) would mean I would be doing six hours of cleaning and she would be doing six hours of clerk work.. or nothing.
07:46 PM ET (US)
  What happens is at a set time (quarterly, monthly, etc) someone will compare the hours paid of each Ptf. And they are to be fairly equitable. Hours are hours, doesn't matter what function you were performing. So if one ptf does all the cleaning, those hours go towards their total at the comparison time.
With that said, good luck on getting the cleaning hours added... In our area management has taken the stance that cleaning is done "in between" customers. NO ADDED HOURS
Edited 06-25-2015 07:50 PM
05:47 PM ET (US)
I think I get what you're saying: 30 hours of clerk work plus, say, 5 hours of cleaning = 35 hours split between the two clerks.
What I'm asking is, to avoid one clerk doing all the cleaning, can the cleaning hours also be split between the two?
04:57 PM ET (US)
Splitting hours for PTF makes no difference whether they are cleaning hours or working hours. Some days one PTF may work and other days another.
04:56 PM ET (US)
You mean the post office is open 46 hours a week and they have a full time clerk and another PTF. That was pretty dumb for the postmaster to let that position go to full-time. There is no flexibility. You could not take the RMPO because the MOU required that it be filled with the senior PTF. At least with the PTF job, your hourly wage is near what you were making as PMR. The 19 years as PMR will count when you retire. When you retire, OPM will offer you a chance to buy back the time you spent as PMR which would increase your annuity. You can't do that until you retire and it could be a few thousand dollars. When you were a PMR, there was no guarantee of hours. As PTF, you will relieve the RMPO offices and get more hours that way.
03:39 PM ET (US)
The two PTFs split the clerk hours. Do they also split the required cleaning/hours?
03:26 PM ET (US)
The Post Office is open 26 hours a week. I do not get paid cleaning, I do it on my down time between customers. The clerk at the office at the APO is full time. She is not going to split hours with me. She's been there for 6 or 7 yrs. The part time PTF that was there is now at a 6 hour RMPO. I could not take that job at the time because I was a PMR then. Even though I have worked for the Postal Service 19 yrs, none of that counts now.
02:52 PM ET (US)
The postmaster cannot schedule one PTF all the hours at the expense of the second PTF. They must equal the hours for schedule. There is no seniority for hours between PTFs. Just because it is posted for 10 hours a week does not mean only 10. If the office is open 44 hour a week, 8 hours M-F and 4 Sat. (Many level 18s are staffed 9 hours a day or more.) Take away 15 for postmaster which leaves 29 hours (not including cleaning) that should equal 15 hours for two PTFs.
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