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CNC ClerkPerson was signed in when posted
11:07 AM ET (US)
There will be no conversion. If your office goes to PSE from PMR your PMR job will be eliminated. You must then apply for the PSE job along with anyone else who applies while it is posted on USPS.com. It is not guaranteed you will be given the PSE job, but if your managing PM is the selector you would have a good chance. You then must go through the SSA training again. Like I said, our last class has a 19 Year PMR fail the test. I have not heard if they will allow here to train again, or if she will be terminated.
11:32 PM ET (US)
/m806..Not to rain on your parade, but you have 10 months of service in and you are getting 32 - 34 hours per week...

There are PTF clerks out there with 10+ YEARS in lucky to get 20 hours per week or have to run around to different offices to pick up hours.
That's part of the reason for the APWU's arbitration case.

I don't think converting to a PSE will yield you any more hours, but may give a little more pay per hour. But it may also get you removed from your 34 hour office... Might just want to stay put with what you have and see how everything shakes out.
Edited 07-07-2014 11:34 PM
09:16 PM ET (US)
/m808, the TEs were not automatically converted to CCAs or career; there's no way they will automatically convert PMRs to PSEs or career. A test will have to be taken, and like with the TEs, if you fail the test -- no matter how well you ran the office before -- you will be out of a job.

You raise a great point about POS versus manual offices. I think it's ridiculous to have a one-size fits all training, especially when the majority of that training will be irrelevant for your specific office. Post office inefficiency strikes again.

At least you received not only three to four weeks of on the job training, but your office actually allows you to put in one or two hours above the four hours allotted per day.
08:04 PM ET (US)
@CNC Clerk,

Thank you. I did take an SSA course, which was mandatory before going in further with my position, but as far as OTJ training goes, it was a little different -- as it's an afternoon office. But it lasted for three or four weeks as I said. We were just kind of iffy at first as the clerk was insisting that as it's manual, there's really no way I could learn the stuff by just observing, I'd be able to take in more information if I was actually doing it; we don't even have a POS machine or cash register. Our Postmaster doesn't think the arbitration will fall through, but if it does, she thinks I may be converted, though she is not entirely sure. If that is the case, would there be more training required? The stuff the clerk trained me primarily on was understanding the difference between certified, registered, signature confirmation, etc, priority and express, how to make money orders, as well as distribution of the mail and eMoves. Stuff like CBPMAN, Webbats, AM & PM reports, the audits, the drills and reports for Safety Toolkit, eFlash, etc, I pretty much figured out on my own. Thanks again for your input... just really looking for any information that I can.
CNC ClerkPerson was signed in when posted
07:40 PM ET (US)
If your office is a 4 hour office, eventually you are going to be pressured to stop using 5-6 hours a day. You are only to get 4. If the arbitration decides your office needs a PSE you will be let go as PMR and will have to apply for the PSE position in competition with other applicants. You will have to take the battery exam, and if hired as PSE you should be given 40 hours of classroom training which you will be tested on, pass or fail. If you pass, you will then receive 40 hours OTJ training, either 40 hours in one week, or 20 hours each week for 2 weeks. This SSA training can either be in your own office, or at a bigger office. You should insist on a certified retail coach. This is window training. It will not include all the office stuff. That will be learn as you go.
06:11 PM ET (US)
Just want some advice here... I am the PMR at an RMPO, and am the only one who works this office. A bigger city's PO supervises over my office, as well as two others, and is where the Postmaster stays. For a long time I did not feel I was trained properly, but the career clerk who trained me says it wasn't my fault. She tried her best to train me for almost three or four weeks with almost no help from our Postmaster, and said unfortunately she couldn't do anymore; as my office is manual, I'd have to learn from hands-on experience. That was almost 10 months ago, and not only is she impressed, the Postmaster is "pleased" with how I handle things, so I'd like to think I've gotten the hang of things now. Distribution, PO box sorting, selling supplies and stamps over the window, doing my own stamp audits, learning how to input reports into Safety Toolkit and mastering Webbats, etc.
According to HR, Postplan effected my office in May of 2013, where it was cut to 4 hours, and cannot hire a full-time Postmaster. Even though I work Monday thru Saturday and usually get 5-6 hours depending on the day, it would be nice for more money. Roughly I work anywhere between 32-34 hours per week. Also, I am pretty concerned about the arbitration that is going on... our Postmaster doesn't know anything about it, nor do any of the supervisors, though she said there are some upcoming meetings she's going to and she'd try and contact the labor board for me to see if they know anything. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, with the whole arbitration going on, and as I'm seeking more money and hours, would seeking a PSE position be better in my interest?

All advice would be appreciated. Thanks
Edited 07-07-2014 06:13 PM
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01:49 PM ET (US)
/m802 Exactly.... Postal management cares more now about cheap labor instead of providing properly trained and paid employees....STAPLES is a prime example..... And another reason all RMPO offices should be staffed with career clerks who have been trained. Don't have enough career clerks? Let the PMR's take the test and become a career employee instead of a revolving door of employees.
Edited 07-06-2014 02:00 PM
CNC ClerkPerson was signed in when posted
09:56 PM ET (US)
A lot of generalities being thrown around. Stated what happened with one particular PMR, not every PMR. I believe what provoked the comment were comments posted by PMRs themselves here that they did not receive adequate training, and didn't feel qualified to do their job {without further instruction}. Another generality- PMRs work harder then most clerks. How many offices have you worked in to be able to make that statement? Have you ever worked 10 hours with no break or lunch? I won't go on, but I can say as working in an RMPO managing office that I scanned over 300 packages today, and sent 14 up to the PMR in the office we DUOed into ours. So I worked 2 hours distribution, then worked the window for 3.5 hours, then drove 27 miles to deliver 2 Express mails. Just a short Saturday. Yeah, it is a shame they don't make me work harder.
09:20 PM ET (US)
why am I not surprised, what is that suppose to mean, that all pmr's couldn't pass a test just because we work harder than most clerks that make twice the money we do and deserve so because they took a test.
05:28 PM ET (US)
/m798, I'm not sure I understand. After 19 years, wouldn't you be surprised instead of expecting that?
05:27 PM ET (US)
/m797, how did the PMR not pass?
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