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Now that they have failed and are exposed, let the denial begin.

Wow, you guys are really quick to make assumptions about what the 'leaders' you so 'cleverly' discovered people's backgrounds are, that of privilege and support from well off parents, let alone even knowing the nature of their involvement and relationship to those who were responsible for the violent segments of the protests. I know at least one of these 'losers' worked 60 hours a week at two jobs to support herself all while pursuing a graduate degree full time. This person also grew up in a single parent household and received no financial help for university, either at the bachelor level or the graduate level from any family member. Nor did this person have any connection or sympathy for the violent elements during the convention. Neither would this person ever describe themselves as an anarchist. Just wanted to add a few shades of gray to this conversation. Have a lovely day.

Don't take it personal if the citizen majority choose to be against your protest.

Isn't this like the freedom you seek for everyone?

Or do you hate it when our free country have laws that you can't abide by.

Oh well, we all have to learn to live within the law.
Which means I can't slap you all up side your heads, even though I would like to.

Probably our laws are a good thing, but sometimes I wonder about this myself.

Thanks guys, for letting the world see the kind of disrepectful people you are, who want change.
I think your actions may have actually boosted the Republicans cause.
Yet, I wonder if you'd prefer it, if everyone were to get up tomorrow and run a muck, like you, turning over dumpsters and acting a fool.
No, better yet, maybe you should try studying something about social behavior and/or philosophy.

One thing about it though, in the end, your point was mute and you hurt yourselves more than anyone.

You dumb shits! A bunch of over-priviledged suburban white kids who have shit for brains. I think those cops treated you well. I wouldn't have been so kind. I'm Laughing my ass off.

Think of all the career choices you free thinkers just threw out the window.

But it was all worth it, Right?

Oh well, some people's children.

At least we now have your name and number.

you people were too damnded easy to "infiltrate"- Geting a nice check to play pretend anarchist and report to the authorities what the plans are- when and where-- gee how did the authorities know where to find you (us)??
 sheesh... anarchists with rules LOL.

Damn whatsnext....where do you find this stuff? Wouldn't want to be them connected to a bunch of terroristic actions in St. Paul, and especially with all of their information posted....And yes...definitely a rich/privileaged trend...Playing activist on a holiday. Sounds like something a person at a private school could get kicked out for....hmmmmm..

Today has been a really sad day in Minnesota. I don't understand the purpose of this violence and destruction? It makes absolutly no sense. Blocking traffic, smashing windows, assaulting others also voicing their free-speech? Just so you think about something other than yourselves, when roads are blocked that means no one can get through including EMERGENCY vehicles with DYING people trying to get to a hospital (and can't).

I think these individuals are worse than anything else, Many people have something to say and are passionate about their views these few whackos have taken the focus off important topics and put many, many people in harms way!

I want to thank all of the officers and soldiers for trying to keep us safe!!!!! God Bless you!

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To all you good people,

These "protesters" and self-proclaimed anarachists making asses of themselves in our streets by senselesly breaking windows, parking cars in intersections, and assaulting police officers that risk their lives providing the freedom they take for granted HIDE behind the anonymity of the internet!

Why don't they tell us who they are? Aren't you curious? I was. So, I spent a little time tracking a few down. Didn't take long at all! Stop posting here and start calling them, call their parents, call their work, call their ministers, or send them an email! Many points of contact can be found through just a LITTLE Googling. I've posted a few of the losers here, but there are many many more and I encourage you to out them.

Here are a few of the so-called "leaders":

Lacey Prpic Hedtke
A student at the College of St. Catherine! Shocking! It's a spoiled rich kid! You can see a picture of her here:
http://www.bobcatsss2008.org/programme/speakers/240.en.html
Her personal email address: polkaostrich@gmail.com
Send her an email... let her know what you think of her work in St. Paul.

Anne Mostad-Jensen
Circulation Assitant at University of St. Thomas library
(that's an awfully nice school for an Anarchist... hope that's not her capitalist parent's money paying for that higher education)
Email her at work at acmostadjens@stthomas.edu
...or call her at work at (651)962-5494.
And with a name like this, I imagine you could find her parents fairly easily. Perhaps a call to mommy and daddy would cut off funding for this little brat. My money is on her embracing capitalism once her allowance runs out.

Wanda Marsolek
Originally from small town Whitehall, Wisconsin
Once (and maybe still) a clerk at Woodbury Library. Try her there at 651-731-1320. Or, call and leave a message for her at her job at the University of Minnesota at (612)626-0585.

Kristina Darnell
Couldn't find any contact info for her directly, but she is on facebook and here's the contact info for her minister... perhaps we could encourage some devine intervention. Call or email Reverand Kendyl Gibbons at (612)377-6608 x116 or minister@firstunitariansociety.org

Sanden Totten
Assistant Producer for Minnesota Public Radio
Graduated from Oberlin College in psychology and English
That school's site lists cost of $40k per year.
Just another spoiled rich kid.
Email him at work! stotten@mpr.org

Paul Schmelzer
Graduate of St John's University. Anyone seeing a spoiled rich-kid trend?
You go to the source and comment on his blog here: http://eyeteeth.blogspot.com/
You can also see evidence of his involvement here:
http://twitter.com/schmelzenfreude
He has worked with Twin Cities Public Television. Call and let them know that pledging won't happen as long as they work with this head case. Reach them at (612)222-1717.

Stop posting here where they will ignore you and start directing your energy where it will make a difference.

Sure are alot of links on this page. That is how you make money with a website..... Right? The anarchist's are capitalist..... Hmmm.... I'm not rich enough or poor enough to be a Democrat. I work for a living and am tired of paying for welfare and luxury. I don't know who runs this site , but I'm sure they were not in Minneapolis tonight. They were sitting home counting web hits and money.

what a pathetic ass backwards group of people. you should thank our GOD and soldiers every minute of every day for giving u HIPPIE ass BUM loser REJECTS an opporutnity. You would be shot in most countries.

why would an anti-authoritarian anarchist group employ lawyers (who are licensed by the very state they rail against) and the authority of the courts to help them out of their legal woes. Wouldn't that be against an anarchists stance? Methinks the RNC Welcoming Committee might be a tad bit hypocritical.

Edited by author 09-02-2008 12:11 AM
American: I don't want to be free tonight... let's meet up in downtown ST. Paul. You and I can spend the night in jail after we beat up a newspaper box (that's real smart). Then when the media asks us what we want... just say "F***-you" and walk away. Great answer from some real smart idiots.

Who do you guys think you are coming and disturbing one of the most peaceful cities in the u.s.? I mean seriously? You guys are just a bunch of bums and hippies which means the majority of you are most likely unemployed and you think you can just show up and start breaking and attacking stuff? What are you trying to prove? You just end up making yourself look bad and you accomplish nothing.

... because they are nuts!

This really shows us which party has all the head cases voting for them...

The sad part is we had no opportunity to talk with an anarchist tonight cause they are either all locked up or dam cowards! I will go with both! Good Night!

...and if they get really mad they take a mailbox and right naughty words on it with a sharpie!!! Ooooh! Scary!

I'm free to watch a great game between UCLA and Tenn goign into overtime!! LOL!! I love this country!

Those recycling bins better mind their p's and q's or they'll be next!

I mean I don't support Republicans, but I don't feel like beating them up. Geez!

Hey you idiots that acted like well...idiots and were arrested on felony charges....read this.....Oh yea, I,m free and your in jail where you belong. While I'm FREE at work and paying taxes for your court appearance I hope when all is said and done in a few months. The judge gives you many long hours of community service maybe cleaning up cities or military bases.
Oh yea, what are you doing now?
I'm eating a steak drikin' a brew living in freedom in my own house that I bought and paid for. You? how's jail?????

LOL!!! Hahahahaa! Dam trash can!! You traitor!!!!! LOL!!

One would think that the likes of Bill Ayers showed how ignorant and destructive this kind of behaviour can be. It's obvious this is a bunch of punk kids that think they know something. Do yourselves a favor, since you live off mommy and daddy, why don't you get your ass back in school and do something useful with your useless little lives...Morons...

The trash can was getting kickbacks from the big oil companies.

Hey! In there defense the reflection on the Macy's window was worth throwing something at!

That trash can won't look at them funny anymore! That's for sure!

They sure showed that window at Macy's who's boss!

What have these idiot Anarchist solved today!?! Get a life!

Anarchist, POP quiz! Name one country where Anarchy actually worked?

I agree with both of you (Kimberly and DrGraffin). My thought is that it's one thing to peacefully protest, but another to have it involve violence and destruction. It's childish, irresponsible, a waste of time and most of all not needed here in this country!

Skills? What skills? These are just a bunch of thugs who think by being violent they can make a change. I say throw them in Guantanamo Bay to understand what it really feels like to have no freedoms. Dam thugs!

  The RNCWC suggest that their actions attempt to initiate some sort of change. Why is it that they don't attempt establish their own businesses based and run off of their own ideals, then as a functioning/valued part of community attempt to infiltrate this "system" they supposedly despise, with hopes of rewriting the "rule book?" I'll tell you why. They are lazy. It's always a hundred times easier to attempt to take something from others than to work for it yourself. It's always easier put down the successes of others, than to legitimately work for yourself so you can hope to emulate the success you supposedly hate.
  And the thing is once again, I'm not even a Republican. If I vote, I'd vote for Obama, simply because the alternative to voting for him is horrifying.
  Once again though, RNCWC please stop "helping" the community. Your group is the definition of selfish-Taking and doing what you want with disregard for how your actions affect others. Grow up. Get an education. Pay your dues. Use your skills to add something of value to the community. Become a part of the system so you can change it if you don't like it. The only obstacle to any of this, are yourselves, and a self-defeating attitude that everyone is against you and somehow you can't win playing by the rules. That is BS and attitude of the lazy and uneducated.

I agree voiceofreason. It disgusts me that these people live in this country and enjoy the freedom to do this crap.

"At one point, people pushed a trash bin filled with trash and threw garbage in the streets and at cars. They also took down orange detour road signs. One of them used a screwdriver to puncture the back tire of a limousine waiting at an intersection and threw a wooden board at the vehicle, denting its side. Another hurled a glass bottle at a charter bus that had stopped at an intersection. The bottle smashed into pieces but didn't appear to damage the bus."

Is this acting like a responsible adult American? If I were a judge and any of these protestors were to show up in my courtroom, I would have NO sympathy for them! They would be held liable for all such actions mostly because this shows that they are a threat to society! Innocent people hurt by any protestor is a crime! If you wish to protest, do it peacefully, not this way!

Edited by author 09-01-2008 11:03 PM
this really reminds me of how the nazi movement began with a guy who was pissed with his government and brainwashed alot of people into terrorising germany and dont let me forget a second world war. you people are the shitstain on america's underware. you should be taken and shot or better yet beheaded like the old days in france so that everyone can see what a mockery of america you are. take your anarchism and shove it up your ass!!!!!!!!

You guys look like complete morons. Why don't you spend your time and energy changing our politics through participation. What is funny to me is that you are discrediting the peaceful protesters that actually have a message through your immature and radical acts.

Dont want rules? You could always head to a country with none. They seem to be doing pretty good right now. NOT.

I'm giving free hugs to any Anarchist who want them.

You who are anarchists and anti-authoritarian should all be sent to outer space. There you can live 'freely' as you wish. Because I'm sorry to say but as long as you are living here in America (USA), we NEED a system of rules and government. It may not be perfect, but it's what we have right now. Things will change over time. But to go out and protest and cause trouble, like spraying people with chemicals and trying to steal their IDs is absolutely rediculous and childish!!! Be adults! Act like adults! Find other ways to bring out your concerns! Listen to the voice of reason!

All I know is if I was just minding my own business and some idiot scrawny stoner in black threw a brick at my car over some Republicans it would be very hard for me not to lay him out hard! LOL!

Nice retort reason. Based on logical thinking and intellect...lol.

You guys are fucking idiots

JT: I really don't think if (I hope) Sen MCain wins or your guy Sen. Obama wins I don't see major changes happening in the country. True, Sen Obama brings excitement to the "Dems" but his ideas aren't much different than William Jefferson Clinton. What make the USA thrive is people like you, me, Kimberly GA believing in the USA and realizing the idiots in St. Paul busting up the town are not true American citizens.
Take care JTT

Read number 1!!!!! This is translation for we have weed and will smoke you out if you need some! HAHAHAHA! These guys are idiots! Geez! When will this end!!!!

What the Welcoming Committee is doing:
1. Logistical support – We will organize legal support, housing, food, transportation, and a convergence space as well as anything else you may need to make our collective actions successful.

Read #4 of this code of ethics they have on this site! I think I'm gana crap my pants laughing at the hipocracy and the way they screwed that up bad!!!HAHAHAHAHA!!!

4. Be inclusive of local communities and respect alliances – We are all on the same side of the barricades and are trying to build lasting bonds for future mutual aid. We may not agree with each other on all of our tactics, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t venues for us to work together and build on the trust and community that already exists.

Dr G, now that hit it right on the dot. I guess this means you won't be donating to this website. I wish I could donate some common sense to the organization.

Today having witnessed first hand the self-justified thuggery of the RNCWC, I find myself wondering how the RNCWC as a whole can attempt to describe themselves in any other terms other than their actions? Vandalizing property in a community you proclaim to respect, come on??? Attempting to silence the voices and opinions of those with whom you differ? Give me a break RNCWC!!
  If you happen to read their literature it is a highly reminiscent of most cult literature available-That is the meaning and message of what they write and outline is highly evasive and hypocritical.
  To close, I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat, though I do believe almost anything could be better than another 8 years of what we've had. While I might classify myself as a nonaffliated voter, it's obvious the RNCWC are nothing but hardcore Democrats looking for any excuse to commit crime and attempt to intimidate others. If not, why not a demonstration of equal significance at the DNC? They may refer me to their FAQ section of their site to address this question, but simply their supporting material regarding this question is weak. Remember, if you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk.

Abwahahahaa!!! Let's grab 20 people and stage a wana be L.A. Riot!!! WHO's WITH ME!!?!?!?!?!??!!!! BAWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

AAAARGH!! Let's break this constitutionally protected disussion thread up, throw rocks and beat up it's 80 year old members!!!!! I'm feeling cool!! What should we name ourselves!!! I know!!! Anarchist!!! BAWAAAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Can we meet your parents? Just want to thank them for screwing up your brains and not giving a crap about it while thinking sending you to college with a bank account will solve all problems. When will this world learn? It goes in order like this and your kids won't grow up to be idiot anarchist with no jobs. GOD, family and than baseball!

Highly doubt they are R......they are the types that like to whine but do nothing but make it worse. Probably a bunch of stoned idiots with 2 brain cells left.

Thanks to all of you who are trying to highlight the illegal raids and intimidation. Just one request. I saw a video and read a report in which the Sheriff supposedly confiscated guns. I don't see any debunking of this particular claim.
 While I know that some place priority on solidarity, I think it is important to clarify whether this particular group actually was planning vilenece, whether the group itself is a bunch of agents provacateurs, or whether the police are just planting evidence. Hopefully it is false information (though I think they displayed photos in one video I saw on the web).

THIS REPROT
By HERON MARQUEZ ESTRADA, BILL M c AULIFFE and ABBY SIMONS

Last update: August 31, 2008 - 12:43 PM

"On Saturday afternoon, he displayed a number of the confiscated items: a gun, throwing knives, a bow and arrows, flammable liquids, paint, slingshots, rocks and buckets of urine."

The one I am concerned about is the gun because, if true, it can be used to tar any radical group that goes beyond non violent vigils but does not advocate use of weapons. Hopefully this is just policre provacataion and planting of evidence, but I think it should be addressed, because it surely will be seized upon by the right and homeland security types.

Thanks,

A Japan IndyMedia volunteer
http://japan.indymedia.org

Well that's because I have an open mind Greg. Starting violence to disrupt either parties convention is against everything constitutional and just makes you look like an idiot. Just because you don't agree with someones political views doesn't mean you have to do stupid crap to get your point across. I bet most of these idiots are Chavez supporters that have Che flags in their rooms.

I just saw a clip on the news of what happened today. It is sad that people feel destroying property is going to make a point. All it did was make you look stupid and ignorant. Why not join the peaceful protest? Why do the actions that you are doing? What point are you making? I hate the republican party, but seriously what does destroying shit do? Are you even registered to vote?

Agreed, our world is a mess right now. It would be nice seeing people make it better, not worse.

True Anarchist is right. I'm not by any means a supporter of anarchy, but theses guys are just far far left morons that listen to too much Rage Against the Machine, and probably slap each other in the ass too much in the shower. I agree the whole government is to blame, not just one branch.

I'm a Republican, JT, Thanks. See, you "Dems" are,t so bad.

Take off the masks cowards!!! A bunch of scrawny white college dorks with bandanas over there faces...oooohh, scary.

Are you kidding? You call destroying trying to do something. No one will listen to you after hurting an old man and destroying things. Go get a job. I know you are more than likely little rich brats or useless people that don't want to act like real Americans. You don't like it? Get out. I'm sure the terrorists will bring you on.

God bless you Fred and Amen. Couldn't put it better myself.

I'm a Democrat, and I have to say you guys are a bunch of fags. Anarchist are worthless pieces of shit that should all die in a scorching fire.

I visiting St Paul to protest the death of my family by US military in Iraq. You flat my tires and break my window. Thanks. You Americans all alike.

Wow! I really don't have to say much to the RNC Welcoming Committee that they don't already know. Sounds like a bunch of Midwestern spoiled college brats with an education in some University, but obvoiusly no street smarts? Shouldn't you all be taken these frustrations out on your own parents? You don't like governments? Here's an idea, move to Afghanastan where everyone else there feels the same! Oh no, but that may help you realize what a great government we have here! We wouldn't want that now would we? One that keeps idiots like the RNC welcoming committee and there Anarchist friends in check. Without our government inocent people would be ruled by idiots like yourself. Try watching the movie "Idiocracy" and you will see your dream is already on the big screen. Good luck on your mission to idiocracy! Geez, just when you think things have calmed down the spoiled brats show up.

Do you people think your making a point? Your not, your just destroing stuff thats not yours,(violent protests). The people of the Twin Cities have opened up their cities to all you people, and you people just march and destroy property to prove a stupied point. All you anarchists are RETARDS!!! GET A REAKIN LIFE!!! And get out of our great state of MInnesota where people are nice to other people.

jdre......da

wow so much anger and hate. let's hear more constructive critique, less idiocy.

I thought capturing a cop car and damaging it (you did NOT total it: nice restraint!) was sooo graphic. Well done!

At several triangle parks in the city you ran the well armored cops ragged. Anarchists move left ten feet; squad of cops marches to the end of the block. Anarchists roll right ten steps, another squad of cops jogs a block. And your dance at the Landmark center was love in the face of rage. Well done.

Why don't u protesters find something productive to do..... like find a job, work and pay taxes.... Gee, that really sounds like a novel idea. You want to end a war but your actions promote violence. Whoever is in charge of you lil' ol' group should take ethics 101 in kindegarten

onelove - In case you haven't noticed, the national media hasn't covered the protest. The local media has, but they've also pointed out the fact that the police are dealing with criminals and they're arresting a shitload of them. In fact, they've done a fabulous job of showing the heroism of the cops. This is quite contrary to the biased reports that the independent media has produced. How does this kind of attention help the peaceful revolution that you support?

You "anarchist" fools are such pathetic losers. I hope the cops give you the "justice" you deserve.

You guys are f---in morons more like the hippy movement. NEWS flash dumshits the WHOLE government is at fault not one party or the other. But guess its easier for u guys to blame one party, u are such cowards.
Real true anarchist is anti government control no matter the party. What a bunch and damn idiots you all are.

Maybe someday you will get the concept of what anarchy really means. YES our government suxs but in the government is democrates you morons and our troubles go further back than Bush years. Man I cant believe the ignorance of this group.

Edited by author 09-01-2008 08:57 PM
i support peaceful protest, but kudos to the rncwc for their success in being so organized and commited. its about time that the whisper of revolution in this country gets louder and more present. i love seeing pictures of protestors sprinkled within the shots of laura bush at the convention. a little taste of reality for the evening news.

You guys are f---in morons more like the hippy movement. NEWS flash dumshits the WHOLE government is at fault not one party or the other. But guess its easier for u guys to blame one party, u are such cowards.
Real true anarchist is anti government control no matter the party. What a bunch and damn idiots you all are.

What a worthless website.

you are not helping your own cause. It's too bad there is no educated individuals in your group who have studied history.

LMAO! You are all talk. You show up and think your numbers will do something and all over the news you are running like cowards, getting tackled by the police. Lets not forget the plan to block the roads so the buses cant get through. What a laughing stock the police, troops, media, and your own cowardice has made you all.

This is great, I love all of the supportive posts, oh wait, there are none! Why were the republicans selected rather than the democrats? They are the ones in favor of bigger government anyhow you MORONS! Do the world a favor and just kill yourselves so some poor police officer does not have to lose any sleep over doing it for me.

YOU ARE ALL COWARDS! SMASHING WINDOW, SLASHING TIRES HARMING INNOCENT PEOPLE, YOU ARE ALL IGNORANT COWARDS.

I DON'T WANT ANY HARM DONE TO YOU BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT YOU IN THE COUNTRY FOR WHICH MY DAD SACRIFICED HIS LIFE. YOU DON'T BELONG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I"m sure hoping as many of the "Welcoming Committee" are killed by police and national guard as possible. If you are laying down on the interstate intrance ramp when I"m driving my truck, I WILL run over you and laugh at the results.

Oh, and by the way. The brave men and women of the U.S. Military liberated Iraq and won the war. How ironic that the former terrorist stronghold, the Anbar Province, was with great pride transferred over to Iraqi authorities today. (Yes - we have won! And you'll never be able to do anything to lose the war at this point.)

The people of Iraq want nothing to do with depraved anarchists such as yourselves. Even if you could turn the clock back and attempt to lose the war, you'd be run out of Iraq by it's citizens faster than they eliminated your Al Qaida buddies.

And the reward for your efforts?? 8 years of McCain followed by 2 more terms of Palin.

Treating them as criminals? They busted the windows of businesses, disrupted transportation, intimidated people and assaulted cops. They ARE criminals. If they truly wanted people to listen to their ideas, do you think they have accomplished that goal? No, their own actions have determined that there's nothing to listen to.

is busting rich kids with leftist leaning ideas more important than keeping real crime down? is busting up lawfully gathered citizens more important than having discussions on the issues they bring up?

worrying about these kids as being "domestic terrorists" and their voice shows that too many people are just to afraid to hear anything but their own ideas. treating demonstrators like criminals shows me how afraid this soicety is of really opening itself up to the morals and liberties that this country, as an idea, should respond to.

So I woke this morning and had a brillaint idea, how about I march on St. Paul (well within my right as an American Citizen - thank you military). How about I drop nails on the ground in an effort to puncture tires, destroy other peoples property, and possibly hurt innocent people. I will drag dumpsters, garbage cans, bike racks, newspaper boxes, and whatever else I can get my unwashed hands on into the street. I could then break windows on buildings and police squad cars in my way (way to go you really um proved your point). Good idea!

Then those brutal police...wow what can I say... they would not have been in force the way they were had it not been for the promises of 'storming', 'disrupting', or 'welcoming of the RNC'.

And thanks for blocking the roadway leading to St. Paul's major trauma hospital.... at least you brainchildren had the courtesy to move out of the way for the ambulances. O wait some of those are a product of our mean mean government, you better throw your nails in front of their tires as well.

RADICALS-be sure not to call your local police department in case of an emergency, they may turn you into a popscile with their batons... For people who claim to be so enlightened you as a whole will not accept others ideas if they differ from yours... where can I sign up to be brainwashed?

Your group has done nothing but damage the cause. I'm am distraught and disappointed by the actions of this group over the course of the day. Violence to protest war. You're no better than the government sending the troops over seas. You should be ashamed at yourselves.

Also, if you really cared for your cause, you wouldn't be afriad to show your faces. The masks show that you are only interested in causing destruction with a cause as a front. If you really believed in your "cause" you wouldn't destroy the property of innocent business owners, or property funded by tax payers. You are ridiculous.

My God! These people are a bunch of little white pussies. Their passion for whatever "cause" they pretend to have will dry up as soon as they stop getting money from home. They're not "anarchists", they're mixed up children. Yesterday, half of them were wearing eye make-up and cutting themselves with razors because they thought that was deep. I hope the cops bash their pathetic little skulls in like they did to the sissies at the 1968 DNC in Chicago. These people are laughable.

Yoy people are nothing but fucking idiots who should all be in jail!!!!!

Edited by author 09-01-2008 05:48 PM
LOL Police responded to the protests with tear gas and riot gear. What did you think was gonna happen? People in our society are not persuaded by violence, because the majority of Americans allow the political process to work. This is not the Middle East, Africa or the Balkans. We are not extremist with Ak-47's. We don't condone swift changes in Government, and we don't condone murder, assualt or vandalism. When are you guys going to learn that Libertarians, Republicans, and most tree hugging hippies on the Left, will never allow your movement to ever gain any ground. I despise people who try to force others through fear, into siding with them.

Edited by author 09-01-2008 05:32 PM
post 113 ----- ooooo What a witty eggheaded sounding post. You sir are apparently much smarter than the rest of of ankle grabbers. Why don't you suck my (uber) penis.

What a bunch of little faggots. Do these punks think it's deep to wear black and hate their parents? They need to go back to their suburban homes, sit in front of the computer in their parent's basements and whack off like the losers they are. How utterly pathetic.

EEB:

Try it on someone I know that would be non violent, and it will be pepper spray coctails you drink, and a baton turning the perpetrator into a human popsiscle when its stuck up their ass.

Raise a glass to pepper spray, billy clubs, and TASERs! It's time for a lesson in Civics.

You fucking liberals are crazier than ever. Collecting gallons of urine. Put down your dope; the 60-70-s are GONE and get a fucking JOB instead.

ha ha -you idiots got busted, commie rat losers. Why is it that you freedom loving/ free speech touting morons don't believe in freedom for anyone else? You folk are nothing but a bunch of Nazis. Please Drop dead of AIDs soon.

You people do realize that when you participate in an illegal protest that you are jeopardizing your options for the future. If you do not, then I suggest that you please take this into consideration. You must also realize that you are also adding to the unrest of your country and that adding to unrest, is not the same as taking a positive stance. Disrupting any legal process only throws fuel on the fires that you seek to put out and it also shines a very negative light on your cause. If political answers are what you seek, educate yourselves and bring about the changes that you desire, not through anarchy (because this will fail you), but rather through deplomacy. The beauty of it is, you live in a country that allows you this opportunity. In fact, our men in uniform are those who protect these rights for you. Please, I ask you to stop and asked yourselves, Do you really believe that a nation of free men and women could possibly allow any big business or our government to go unchecked and bring us to an unwanted end? We're not blind sheeple. The changes that are needed will come about. So, even though you are pumped and ready to protest... You should stop, think of your future and then reorganize to work for the good of this nation through legal groups and commitees, because disruptive operations are just that... disruptive, not only for society, but for you as well.

Seriously, without government (and police), where would an anarchist be? Still in their parents basement but certainly not safe. It has to be tough, being named Ian (later changing it to Rainwater or Truthseer), smelling like crap, enduring numerous schoolyard beatings. Without the cops, the schoolyard beatings they endured as children would most certainly begin again.

I wish one of you punks would throw some urine on me LOL I would stomp the living shit out of you for doing that. How is that for a little anarchism.

Anarchists don't want to destroy society, because what would become of them? What new form of existence would replace the one they hate so much? I mean humans have always formed societies. What are you going to do? Keep destroying society, until the perfect one is created? There is no perfect society, because there is no perfect human being. That is why communism failed, that is why the poor get over looked in capitalist societies. Men like Aristotle, Plato, Karl Marx, Nietzsche, John Locke, Rousseau, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Paine, Julius Caesar....etc etc etc. All, the great men and (women not excluded), have debated the issue of government's role in society. Maybe, Anarchist have forgotten one simple truth about mankind, we are social creatures and we have always banded together to construct system of living. Nothing can change that, you can't brainwash mankind into believing that what is natural to us is wrong, because certain things in life are unfair or unjust. There is very little fair in politics, and very little that is perfectly true for all parts of society.

Re: Post #103

So, the anarchists planning and executing property damage, criminal theft and assault are really good people, but you're afraid of the free speech you see in this discussion forum ... did we forget to take our little happy pills today?

Edited by author 09-01-2008 03:19 AM
HumanF, I can't imagine a person could be "good" or "concerned" and still be dead wrong or a criminal. What does their disposition with you (likely liberal) have to do with whether they are hypocritical, misguided, or even criminal? Regarding Herodotus, was it his conclusion or was it told to him? I can see why he would be considered a hero, he had his own version of history.

I had some discussion group experience with these idiot anarchists in the last presidential election. I made the mistake of assuming that they were psychologically sound, intellectually competent and at least microbially compassionate ... NOT!

When I presented a non-partisan opinion on why it is theft (and therefore wrong) to tap into electricity sources belonging to corporations and city governments, I was called a Freeper Maggot by some loser activist who tried to have me booted from the discussion ... simply because I'm a Republican.

These anarchists are angry, unemployed, intellectually destitute and criminal minded. They're useless parasites sucking blood from humanity and they deserve to be placed on an island with each other and left to cannibalize without the amenities they seem to abhor (like food, transportation and public safety services they readily consume, but never pay for).

Don't waste your energy getting frustrated with these troublemakers ... they're too radical to be called Democrats and they don't have the character to be called Republicans. Hmmm, they must be University of Colorado dropouts.

LONG LIVE GEORGE BUSH AND RUSH LIMBAUGH!

You people need to get a life! Bunch of protesting hippies! And just what were you planning on doing with so much urine? Sick.

ELECT MCCAIN 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ummm Gerald, in all the rhetoric you just spouted. You didn't say a fucking thing. And, uhhh, that quote about the Greeks? what the hell does that have to with anything? That story was about honorable men that lived by the Warrior Code and Warrior Ethos. Those Greeks were fighting for a King, a system, a hierarchy. Funny how a moron like you would post a quote like that, when you obviously know nothing about it. But you posted because it sounded cool, and you thought it would back up your little point about not being a slave to corporate america. What has Anarchy America done for society lately??? I bet that computer you posted that message with wasn't made by an Anarchist LOL It was assembled by workers and sold by a salesman. Both capatalist giving into the invisible hand of greed (adam smith) Greed, made society better, not being an anarchist.

Anarchy would be a perfect situation.....if the world population were 1.
The hypocrisy and contradictions in your "mission" are absolutely stunning. I think any 3 year old who could write a more coherent and feasible political statement.
Morons.

3. Organize on the principles of decentralization, autonomy, sustainability, and mutual aid;

4. Work to end all relationships of domination and subjugation, including but not limited to those rooted in patriarchy, race, class, and homophobia;

5. Oppose the police and prison-industrial complex, and maintain solidarity with all targets of state repression;

6. Directly confront systems of oppression, and respect the need for a diversity of tactics.

Look at some of these moron's rules for membership into their little group.
Basically, they want criminals to be set free LOL They want men to be subserviant to women LOL They want a society with chaos, no laws or jurisprudence of any kind LOL So that means you can kill someone for no reason and get away with it..LOL Basically, they want society to become lawless, roaming bands of criminals, living a hand to mouth existence, with no reason to exist, except to serve your own needs. Oh? But wait, you want to end all systems of oppression, but yet you have pretty much labeled any part of modern day society as oppressive. Except for people who think like you???? hhmmmmm, what a bunch of closed minded, hierarchy seeking, bias, assholes. You have the audacity to call your way of thinking true freedom, but yet, in your minds, the only true path to freedom is to live life as a mindless animal with no purpose.

Interesting contrast between the righteous indignation, violent anger, and simple-minded ignorance of these anti-welcoming committee writers, in comparison with the intelligence, humanity, and wisdom of HumanF (post 103).

Sad how the most virulent uber-patriots jabber and spout about "freedom" at the same time they're grabbing their ankles for the pleasure of their corporate masters. Like pathetic slaves kissing the knout they profess their obedience with every blow.

Herodotus concluded that the outnumbered Greeks were able to defeat the mighty Persian army because free men make better soldiers than slaves. Slaves obey. Free men create.

I was gonna say something but it looks like everyone else already beat me to the punch. Before you go tearing down the walls, you should first consider traveling overseas and seeing what they got. You might not realize it but you are fuckin lucky to be living in the USA. So before you go do your little protest think about it. As for the rest of you complaining at least they are being active if you support you should show up and support.

Why were you morons not at the Democratic National Convention protesting? I mean if government is the enemy, what the fuck do you think liberal democrats advocate? MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL and REGULATION. I do agree with that one person's post about College Campuses. They have become breeding grounds for left wing activism. If I was to label myself, definitely consider myself a Conservative. The funny thing is, on college campuses today you are not considered enlightened unless you are gay loving, left wing, big government supporting, guilt for minority having, radical. Don't even get me started on Anarchists and so-called intellectuals. I'm sick and tired of the liberal loving media. I'm sick and tired of being in college and being told my conservative views are backwards and misinformed; because they does not go along with the mainstream liberal ideology, that has swept American campuses. Republicans freed the slaves. Democrats were allied with the KKK after the Civil War. Democrats like Lyndon B. Johnson got us into Vietnam. Democrats like Jimmy Carter were too weak to stand up to Islam. Democrats want to attack prosperity, by taxing those who earned their wealth, and giving it to those who don't try to better themselves. And, then call that crap CHANGE. Wake up! You think taxing the rich is going to solve your problems? Are you morons that easily duped into voting for one of the oldest political cons out there? LOL anywayz, ive put my two cents in...later sheep.

These folks wouldn't know an anarchist if it was 10 ton safe and fell on them.

-B.E.

you all are damn idiots. i hope they call the u.s. army to take care of you stupid asses!! im proud of fighting for other peoples freedoms and i agree with what bush has done over there. i have been to iraq and fought for people who have nothing, and now they have hope and something worth living for because i made it safer for them to sleep and go to school and be someone in the world!! you guys are a disgrace to the country i defend and you all should go to heel and get the fuck out of my country. if your not proud of how america is governed and what we fight to give people who have less than us than leave this country. im proud to serve my country, the president, and fight for the poeple who have less than me!! i feel sorry that i put my life on the line for idiots such as yourselves!! get a life and keep the crying to yourselves. you guys will accomplish nothing at this convention as it will go on, it will be a success for them, and you guys will end up in jail and/or hurt because you will make rash and dumb decisions!

The "Tear It Down" mentality of these people is akin to the behavior of little children who have temper tantrums. I say 'let their fears be realized" and throw their collective ungrateful asses in the Hoosegow. Pathetic Losers.

You anarchists are a loony and desperate bunch... bunch of idiots! Do you not realize the kind of chaos that would ensue if there was no order? Have you ever watched a Mel Gibson "Road Warrior"/"Mad Max" movie, "Cyborg" with Van Damme, or any other post apocolyptic movie? Or how about just take a look at Afghanistan before the Taliban, or most of Africa, where thay are ruled by warlords. That is what an anarchaic society looks like, and it's full of tyranny, which will directly impede on your "free of authority" society.

BTW, how is securing our borders racist?

well the raids have begun and many have been arrested already. So far gallons of urine, kerosene and fireworks have been taken. It's been nice getting all the inside info from everyone. let the games begin you friggin loons we will lock everyone of you up if we have too.

Dear Nut Jobs,

   I was just reading your mission statement. What a bunch of losers you are! I hope the police club you guys to death. It won't be hard to spot you. You'll be the dirty smelly burn-outs smoking a joint carrying a water balloon full of deer urine. And it's not racist to secure our borders. You will accomplish little else than getting your teeth knocked out, inconviencing a few people going to the convention, pissing off a lot of cops, and stinking up the place. I'll watch the news and can't wait to see footage of the cops using nightsticks on your pea-sized brains. Hopefully a few of you get run over or blow yourselves up. What a bunch of losers! Move out of your mom's basement, stop smoking so much weed, shower at least every other day, pick the lice out of your hair, and get a fucking life! I didn't see you guys in Denver. What happened, pass by a Taco Bell and forgot what you were going to do after you ate about 14 tacos? Go smoke some hash and eat some ice cream. Your teeth will last longer!!

It probably won't do any good to point out that by trying to rain crude anarchy down on the "fear-mongers" of the GOP, you would be validating those very fears, thus giving them that much more political ammunition with which to frighten the voting populace..and helping push large numbers of undecided voters into casting ballots which ultimately help keep those very same fear-mongers in power.

Your passion is laudable, but misdirected, and the logic behind it is flawed. In exchange for a few moments of feel-good protest, you are shooting yourselves, and by extension, America and the world, in the foot.

g.

I just wonder how many have ever sat down and actually spoken to an anarchist. I live in Minneapolis and know a number of people on the RNC Welcoming Committee an they are good people, concerned people, perhaps not as passive and content about the state of things as most of you are, but to snipe at them from your computer armchairs is ridiculous. I am more afraid of the hatred I read in these posting than about anything the an anarchist might to at the RNC.

Edited by author 09-01-2008 12:13 AM
 Few things spook normal law-abiding, job-holding Americans more than a motley bunch of left-wing protesters. It's not just their politics that put us off -- it's their slovenly (often bizarre) dress, their bad grooming habits (or total lack of such), and most of all their obscenity-spouting anger, grim humorlessness, and smug self-importance. Just who are these foul-mouthed, foul-smelling characters clogging our streets and college campuses, protesting everything from globalization to genetically modified food to tax cuts? Now, ProtestWarrior's A Field Guide To Left-Wing Wackos, identifies and describes 18 common "species" of left-wing protesters, supplying witty definitions, vivid illustrations, identifying characteristics and behavior, "cries" (slogans), habitat, evolutionary origins, as well as thrilling (and hilarious) anecdotes of actual sightings.


** ANARCHISTS -- "It is not uncommon to find an anarchist carrying a cell phone in their Dickie's pant pocket. Like their fellow traveler Communists and Islamothugs, they have no problem using the technologies made possibly only by Western-style capitalism ... It has been hypothesized that anarchists are slowly becoming immune to tear gas and new, more powerful strains are evolving"




** COMMUNISTS -- "Communists are considered the Maytag repairmen of liberal protesters, few and far between but somehow still devoted to a lost cause. ... Handling Tips: Ask a communist who their favorite communist dictator is. Hard-pressed to think of one who hasn't been responsible for murdering thousands of dissidents, they will panic and begin to sputter about how communism has never been properly implemented."




** INTELLECTUALS -- "Since the 1960s, American universities have become the main breeding grounds and feeding troughs for Intellectuals. ... One of their most interesting behavior patterns is that they rarely make public statements about subjects in which they are trained. They make profound and sweeping statements about the global economy, human rights, the environment and international politics even though they teach linguistics or art history."


** COLLEGE STUDENTS -- "College Students feign a constant state of indignation – at the current administration, at corporations, at the racism and sexism pervading their college campuses. Many find relief in submitting letters to the editor of their campus paper... Other College Students who need a more tangible outlet for their progressive angst join or start student activist groups which purport to fight the injustice of sweatshops, defend union workers, or protect the environment and the rights of animals."


** HOLLYWOOD ACTIVISTS -- "A member of the Hollywood community elite who uses the capitalist fruits of wealth and fame to promote a socialist agenda. ...A typical public political statement given by a Hollywood Activist will glaringly contradict how they conduct their personal lives. For instance, a Hollywood Activist who is fervently anti-gun will employ a small army of armed guards to protect her life and property."


** BLACKTIVISTS -- "Blacktivists are very careful not to do anything that might cause them to be perceived as sellouts by other Blacktivists, and if they must watch Friends or listen to Steely Dan, they usually do so in private. Speaking out against the thuggery championed in rap music is strictly forbidden, and can cost the violating Blacktivist all his street cred. A large vocabulary, good grades, infrequent use of "peace out", and a high paying job in the private sector are all cause for suspicion, and voting Republican is immediate grounds for eternal banishment."


** HACKTIVISTS -- "Anyone who manipulates a computer system without authorization to promote a political ideology. ... Handling Tips: (1) Make a phone call to parents informing them of their son's misdeeds -- will result in hacktivist being ground and computer access revoked for up to two months. (2) Introduce hacktivist to a girl -- will render all thoughts of hacktivism a waste of time."


** GRANOLAS -- "Hippy environmentalists who would rather save a blind salamander than a human being. ... Habitat: Look for Granolas in trees. Yes, trees. ‘Tree sitting' consists of climbing to the top of a tree and chaining oneself to the trunk to prevent loggers from cutting it down. Sometimes Granolas stay in the tree for days, truly becoming one with nature as they linger without basic hygiene."


** PEACE MOMS -- "A member of the suburban leisure class who has an overwhelming desire to ‘make a difference.' ... by far the best smelling of all the species ... Handling Tips: Interview her about the evils of capitalism and follow up by asking her where her husband works."


** ISLAMOTHUGS -- "A Muslim who attributes all of his ills to the existence of the U.S. and Israel. ... Much of his belligerence stems from an intense insecurity over the disastrous condition of societies living under Islamic law. In fact, the intensity of the Islamothug's dementia is in direct proportion to his country's misery index."


** PERFORMANCE ARTISTS -- "It is easy to pick out a Performance Artist at a protest. Just look around at the crowd. Is there a big, awkward, ready-to-collapse puppet that vaguely looks human? Are there some crude political ideas expressed with even cruder papier-mache creations? Are there individuals in skull face paint? These are all Performance Artists. Some Performance Artists write skits or do "interpretive" dances in sympathy with the world's oppressed, letting the obvious symbolism speak so eloquently for whatever it is that they believe. And what is it they believe? That big puppets have political influence? That skeletons will scare conservatives into becoming liberals? No one is quite sure..."


** CLOSET NAZIS -- "An Anglo-American who hides behind incessant political criticism of Israel to mask a seething anti-Semitism. ... When not at protests, Closet Nazis spend most of their time on the Internet. This provides for an ideal habitat, as they are free to revel in their unalloyed perversity, and to do so anonymously. Other activities include endless debating over the Byzantine network of convoluted conspiracy theories regarding Jewish worldwide domination and the eminent extinction of the white race."

Blocking bridges? Putting up blockades?

You demand freedom of speech and the right to assemble, and yet you would deny it to someone else? Shame on you.

You aren't doing yourself any favors. You are becoming exactly what it is that you profess to hate so much. This isn't peaceful protest - this is making an ass out of yourselves.

you obviously have too much time on your hands to think up your devilish schemes. get a job!!!! most of you are probably from upper middle class families and mommy and daddy support you so you have all the time in the world to come up with your evil plans. i hope the cops and the FBI find out where you all are.

you are a bunch of sickos!!!!! get out of here!!!! go to Iran!!!!
 
get out of my country!!!!!!!

You have a welcoming committee made up of authoritarian organizers to protest against authoritarian organization. Makes perfect nonsense to me. Seems it would be better to vote in a government that will do what the people of the United States want. And have the current politicians who have committed crimes taken out of office regardless of what their constituents want. We need someone to operate this country in a way that our infrastructure is repaired not dismantled. Our foreign policy needs to be revamped our trade issues need to be taken care of. We are a consumer country and not a productive country. It would be nice to go back to farming no electricity no pollution etc. But we all know that is not going to happen so why not work to make something that is possible happen. To threaten violence is just going to put people in prison or get them killed that means innocent people can be hurt also, which in turn will make you a terrorist. Do you think it is fair to take a life. If so then what is your protest truly about. Are you afraid that your issues won't be heard unless you threaten and intimidate. Playing king of the hill you will lose. Use your constitution and you will win.

I wish people would protest the gangs in my neighborhood. They tossed a rock through my window and hit my young child in the head. So for all you Anarchists, how do you expect to protect us without the government? Or is this just about yourselves?

By the way, I'am an X-anarchist. I still own and old copy of the Anarchists Cookbook. But one day I woke up and realized I was wrong.

Anyone know of any counter-protests going on? I too would like to meet these people in the streets. Preferably while crimes are being committed.

Protest in Putins country you little BASTARDS...

Come on, let's fight you little bastards...

How can I get involved (to collect intel on your actions and movements)? I'm really interested in your cause and want learn more (so I can catalog your arsenal and report on your movements). I think these corrupt, lying phychos need to be stopped now (you, that is, not the hard-working police heros who protect everyday citizens from terrorist morons like RNC Welcoming Committee). Informants are still among you - the raids won't stop. You do you trust??

I think both sides are nuts. Republicans, as evidenced by their conduct over the last two administrations are traitorous. They've severely damaged the country and it will take years to repair.

Demonstrators of this sort are no better. Nobody deserves to have urine thrown on them.

It's just a shame that we have only two viable options in this country - unlike much smaller countries that have more choice in politics.

Absolutely. These anti-war, anti-government activists will supply you with everything a good protester needs. Urine, bricks, molotov cocktails, rocks, etc. Collateral damage is of no concern. Everyone is an enemy.

I have a question regarding the lawyers who are so concerned about being "on site" to observe the police raids. Will you also be present when this group assaults cops with urine and rocks? If so, will you be willing to condemn these acts as fervently as you have condemned the police raids?

I was directed to the RNC welcoming committee website through a news article is saw on the web and then to this website. Just a few questions.
 
1. Has the RNC welcoming committee properly trained people in window smashing? I remember watching riots (I mean demonstrations) on CNN in Seattle a few years back and on rioter (I mean demonstrator) needed two or three kicks to smash a storefront window. Whats up with that?

2. Are there going to be enough rocks and other objects around to throw at police and possible bystanders or do I have to bring my own?

3. Will any weaponry be provided?

4. What is acceptable collateral damage?

Like the others posting similar messages, thanks for helping me decide which way to vote (Republican). I'm happy about the raid, I hope your ability to riot and cause mayhem was severely diminished, and I hope they keep bringing it to you before you can hurt innocent people trying to protest peacefully. Maybe McCain will put a few more coconut-crackers on the streets as a result of your misguided efforts. Looking forward to seeing the media footage.

jw:

Are you one of those Protest Warriors? I believe they have a whole 6 people signed up to counter protest.

Edited by author 08-31-2008 12:54 PM
georgiajim.... Thanks for posting now I know where you live or there abouts. Thanks again and see you there buddy . P.S I'm 48 and can't wait to get to know you up close and personal.

Just to clarify, these protests are not sanctioned by the Democrats...c'mon. The RNC Welcoming committee is a group of Anarchists. Groups like this also oppose the Democrats and protest at their convention, too. Anarchists are against ANY form of government.

Stop feeding the flames of hysteria caused by all of these police raids. They're meant to make all peaceful protesters look scary. The threat of violence is fabricated and used as a tool to keep reasonable people from protesting. (This is why I'm so aggravated with the RNC-WC...they give the cops reasonable cause to raid their meeting space. Did you see the malotav cocktail in their campy little video?)

Here's a conspiracy theory for you: The Republicans and/or the Feds organized and funded the RNC Welcoming Committee to make ALL protestors look bad, and to give police and the public a reason to have disdain for ALL protestors, peaceful or "otherwise".

I used to be on the fence about who to vote for, not anymore. But after learing about the fucking loosers with their teenage mentality of the RCN Welcoming Comitte, I will surely vore the Republican ticket. I do not want to support and be associated with anyone who supports these childish activities. As I said, you are all a bunch of fucking loosers.

Suggest releasing as many helium filled balloons as possible with little pretzels (or curious george like monkeys). Harmless and gets the point across. Not to mention hard to stop floating balloons.

Turn off your cell phones and leave them home.

I'm guessing it's a lie made up by the cops. Just like the buckets of urine. It happens all of the time. Cops hold a press conference displaying what was seized in the raids, the criminals claim it's a lie. The cops must have been stockpiling urine for this very moment.

What's with the message stating that police car windows were smashed out in response to the arrests?

Not a single word was mentioned about this...which leads me to believe that no such thing ever happened. Sounds like BS to me.

I completely support the right to protest. I'm about as left-wing as a person can get. I think anyone should be able to do just about anything they want whenever they want, but there's one condition: Do NOT harm other people in the process.

I know and understand first hand the Minneapolis police department's reputation as brutal. How is the rnc welcoming committee different than the violent cops they are "against" if they are engaging in the same brutality against other humans?

Also, by sabotaging public transportation in the city, you're not hurting the republicans, who will probably just call a scar service, you're harming the people who need to take the bus to work and to survive. I'm working class, blue-collar, and I bus. Most people on the bus are local Minnesotans who need to get to work. Please don't make the lives of these people more difficult. If I miss the bus, I can't afford a cab. I don't own a car because I can't afford one. If I miss work, I don't make money, and if I don't make money I don't eat.

The republicans, no matter how vile I may find them, have the freedom of assembly and the freedom of speech. Stop proving over and over that the rnc welcoming committee is a group of attention starved, immature, bourgeois kids who are no better than a bunch of drunk frat boys looking for a fight. Respect your hardworking neighbors and your city.

ISn't this supposed to be a green space discussion?

Democrats are just a bunch of communist sucking pussys. All you stand for is taking money from the people who actually earn it and giving it to the lazy ass people who don't want to find a job because they are stuck at home sucking cock. The war in Iraq has meaning, to provide a stable government so they wont turn around and come and bomb the hell out of us so Bush is your life line. And all you people who want to "Welcome" the Republicans you better keep you distance because no body here wants to her about the crap you stand for. The republicans are here to celebrate the nomination so they can further better our country so stay the hell away you Communist sucking pussys!!

-The Truth

The republicans have a Right to be here. We have a Right to protest. That's the best part of being an American.

jw - you are just a punk school kid that thinks he is somebody. You are one of those big, bad, tough guys that holds their dick with 4 fingers when they go pee, but you piss on three of them. At least you admitted that you are a fag that wants to see people's faces.

I have to say, I can understand a PEACEFUL and LEGAL protest. I can respect the need for that. However if any of you people hurt anyone or anything that is mine or I know, I might have a little something to say about that. Also if you people effect my daily routine such as going to work by blocking a road or bridge I'm probably just going to keep driving - if that means I have to run you over than that's your own fault for being rediculous. However If you stay peaceful and lawful than I'm going to be more tempted to bring you water and lemonade to make you get your word out. So a word of advice stay peaceful, non violent and totally legal and the Police and civilians won't have anything to say about it and it will make a awesome impact because it'll be the talk of the town... "What a peaceful protest? You mean they didn't cause huge problems? that's awesome!"

We will be there to head you off. We call ourselves the no rnc skull crusher's. We can't wait to meet you little piss ants face to fag.

I support anyone's right to protest, but I have family going to be there. If one of you freaks hurt that person, I will hunt you down like the dogs you are. I grew up in Minn. out past Long Lake and I have plenty of places to stay.

Message to Jessica:

Tits or GTFO!!

If you don't love the United States of America, you can go to another country and support communism, socialism, or anarchism. This is sad that you people don't have an actual job to do instead of protesting - oh, that's right, we are talking about Democrats (non working U.S. welfare takers). Until you have been to war in Iraq (I have) and seen the wonderful reconstruction that is ongoing over there, shut up! Yes, bad things do happen. But let's stick to the facts - more homocides have occurred in major U.S. cities than have happened in all of Iraq. If you are so stupid and naive to think that there is no enemy out there, I pity you.

What we're up against.

I can respect a peaceful protest.

But I live near this area. If some group of idiots gets in the way of my day-to-day need-to-work-to-live routine, I'll be highly tempted to run them over.

You didn't see me tossing bricks before the DNC. I expect the same in my town.

Edited by author 08-30-2008 03:26 PM
At the press conference regarding the raids, it was stated that the police were trying to "portray us as criminals". They certainly didn't have to try very hard. Considering the following post, some of you have fallen into the trap, fulfilling your own prophecy:


 Direct Action in support of those who got messed with @ the convergence space
Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 08/30/2008 - 01:30.
cred_rating:
Five

Shortly after we learned that our friends were being held captive at the convergence space, we set out to work.

Around 1am we launched a brick attack against our enemies: the police. We threw the bricks that went smashing threw cop car windows at their own preceinct because we are pissed.

you've been fucking with us for too long.
but now we are ready.

it's gonna be a fun weekend. see you in the streets.

-rnc2008fuckyeah


If you don't want to be portrayed as criminals, then don't engage in criminal activity (this includes disabling security cameras in the city). Civil protest gets the point across in a deeper fashion than wingnut criminal activity. That method gets dismissed by nearly everyone except those that are in the inner circle. Now you just look like a bunch of hypocritical fools.

What the hell does any of this hot air have to do with location of safety zones?

don't get too excited, you won't really make a difference. i know this is not what you want to hear but democrat or republican.... it's all in vain, at the national level everyone is already beyond help, you won't make a difference so mellow out and seek the truth beyond the bullshit.

Hi me again sorry for this intrusion, I would like to just bring one thing up. You protest the war, cool you have the right to do so. It's paid for in blood not by college professors or campus radicals, but by Soldiers, Sailors, Airman and Marines. You say you protest for the troops..........
 Out of love for the troops, so you get out there and let our enemies know that you, the American people are beat. All they have to do is hang on and kill a few more American servicemen and women and the protesters will handle the propaganda for them.... I bet you protest the "torture of terrorist at Gitmo, because the MI people play head games with terrorists and make them uncomfortable. Why don't you protest the torture mutilation and decapitation of every single American captured in this war? I think becuase you wouldn't be "cool" then. Why don't you ever protest the enemy. Get a visa go to Iraq or Iran and tell them to embrace democracy and stop murdering civilians. The President of Iran claimed at Columbia University that his country has no homosexuals in it. He is probably right to. they have stoned all of them to death or taken them out for a lead q-tip. Why don't you protest them? Why don't you protest chinas abuse of the enviornment? Or any other countries abuse but ours. I believe you protest America because you hate it. You hate the freedom that everyone has. You hate that everyone is responsible for themselves. You hate your parents ideals, you hate those that defend this great nation. When America is destroyed you will mistakenly smile. For Americas enemies will come for you next. Check it out, I may be wrong on all this I don't know you. Don't be one of lenins 'Usefull Idiots'



Carry on with todays wierdness

hi rooster77,
this is why i'm not protesting the dnc - while i don't agree with everything about the democratic party, or even the two party system, my strongest disagreements are with the agenda of the republican party. in my opinion, while there is more to do than simply vote, and i don't think obama, or any one politician, can bring all the changes this planet is crying out for, the only realistic way to nationally take a step in a different direction than the republican agenda is to elect a democrat. i like obama better than most politicians out there, but that doesn't mean i see him as a flawless savior.
i believe that the democrats, and the republicans, have as much right to have their meetings and parties as we have to protest them. but as i intensely disagree with nearly everything about the republican agenda, i am choosing to protest what i see as a huge part of the problem, not the dnc, which i see as a step toward a solution.

about george soros, yes, the guy has an insane amount of money! seeing the democrats as a partial step toward a solution doesn't mean i love every democrat or everything about the party. and this isn't about one person, or money itself, it's about the future of this country and the world.

Can anyone tell me the exact locations of the protest zones in Minneapolis? I have looked everywhere for this information, and nobody seems to have it.

Edited by author 08-25-2008 11:11 AM
So Jessica why are you not protesting the DNCC? you now the Biggest power elite of them all is George Soros.

Edited by author 08-24-2008 06:55 PM
Out of curiosity, with what you have planned and faked "the delegate video" what will you do when someone is killed because they push the line just allittle bit too far. I think you have underestimated the security of this event and just how much will be allowed in the Rules Of Force. I wish all the best to the protestors, Hopefully they don't push the line too far and get killed from their actions.

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hi merle. i much appreciate that although you mostly disagree with me, you keep your writing relatively grounded and respectful. i'm glad you're writing, as, yes, i am interested in seeing the other side and having dialogues about differences of opinion. i think that most of us want similar things, and want to live in a world that is safe, secure, and where people care for each other. we just have different ways of defining what that looks like, and different meanings of the word security. for me, safe air, water and food are more important than money. but as money is one of the paths to safe food and water, i don't ignore it's importance either.

i have much respect for the brave men and women who risk their lives in the military service. i understand you have had different experiences than i have, and have sacrificed a great deal in the service. war protests are not against the troops, in fact many who protest do so out of love for family and friends who are in the military, and many who do not have direct connections with those in the wars still have deep respect for the troops and are angry that so many lives, and resources, are being spent on a war that is resulting in massive destruction, including exposing the troops and contractors to unsafe conditions, unsafe water, not to mention depleted uranium and white phosphorus. it is not the troops we protest, it is those who put them in harm's way. and it is not all wars that most of us protest, it is the wars happening now. i can only say definitively that i *wish* all wars were unnecessary, i cannot say that i believe all wars are unnecessary. you're right, there are very complex issues involved. but if the iraq war was so necessary, why did the administration have to lie repeatedly in order for the war to happen? i think that sadaam hussein was a sick barbarian, and have no sympathy for him. yet i do not believe that those who lied to invade iraq felt emotion about the plight of the iraqi citizens under hussein's unjust rule. between oil, proceeds for weapons manufacturers and "independent contractors", and power, as described in the project for a new american century, written by some of the war's architects and outlining a plan for remaking the world in american interests, i doubt that cheney, rumsfeld, etc., had ethical interests at heart. heart? anyway....

the military industrial complex is a huge money spending and making machine, which i feel disrespects the lives of people like yourself who risk everything for a country which is more out to generate profits for a select few than care for people.
 
i agree with you where you say you cannot stand hatred out of ignorance. i understand your frustration with those who latch onto a belief because it has a sense of being "cool" or because of something they just heard and haven't found out was true. i notice also that some people, with opinions varying from anarchist to republican and in between, jump on an ideology out of a sense of wanting to fit in with something. i do see folks getting involved with social change movements who are protesting one ideology yet quick to grab onto another as a solution, without seeming to have thought it through. but, then again, i am not in their heads, and don't know exactly what they are thinking. but the fact that activists are ourselves imperfect humans does not negate the tragic truths of what we are attempting to shed light on. yes, it's "cool" to hate bush and co. now. but many people hate them for what they have done, even if they express that hate in a trendy way. not to say there aren't any who are wearing anti-bush buttons or t-shirts as a way of fitting in rather than an understanding of the issues. of course there are. but i believe there are many more who are angry out of a sense of understanding of what is going on.

when i see people defending a ridiculously corrupt administration, or saying that we should support what our president does simply because he's our president (not saying that's what you're saying but i've heard that before), i wonder what sort of group-mind, not wanting to think critically perspective are they coming from.

you mention that you're a news junkie. while i believe mainstream news sources sometimes give facts, useful information, and insightful opinion pieces, sometimes, there is also the issue of who owns the news? what is being covered and what is not?
i'd like to share some links to info that i consider credible, insightful, and very interesting. the first three are from the same journalist, who is at the forefront of independent media. credible, respectful, well sourced independent media.
((i made most of them not the full link, the ones that are easy to get to by retyping. i wasnt able to post this last nite or today, maybe the links had something to do w that?)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opin...undaygoodman03.html - explains who owns the media outlets, and why certain news doesn't get through ...

democracynow (dot)org/ - one of the most respected independent news sources in the world.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200808...ey_bush_and_habbush - recent interesting news about more dishonesty in the lead up to the iraq invasion.

wanttoknow(dot)info
quote from their description -
"The WantToKnow.info team is composed of researchers and concerned citizens from around the globe dedicated to empowering transformation of our lives and world. Some of these team members have written key books which are summarized on this website. Others have sent valuable information revealing major cover-ups. All are courageous citizens who venture where many dare not go. We share a deep commitment to inspiring us all to work together to strengthen democracy, and to build a brighter future for us and for our world."

halliburtonwatch(dot)org - info on the profitability and cost of war, and also exposes when companies put their own employees, and troops, in harms way. "In Iraq for Sale, Robert Greenwald's new film, a widow of one of the dead drivers in another convoy massacre in 2004 complained that KBR drivers are not given road maps. Another widow said, "These men went to do the right thing [and] they were totally taken advantage of ... [Halliburton] knew, they knew, that there was more than a good chance that they would be killed." And one of the drivers who survived said, "It's about contracts ... fulfilling the contract and replacing us if we died." "

quote from the project for a new american century, which used to be available for viewing online. however the site is now not accessible.

"And advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool."
PNAC, Rebuilding America's Defenses, p. 60 (authors include donald rumsfeld, paul wolfowits, i. lewis libby )
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feel free to share any info you think i would find interesting.

also, rooster77, to answer your question - yes i am going to protest the rnc. i think that the republicans have a right to have a convention, and i'm not interested in "shutting it down". but i don't think they have a right to do many of the things they have done, and i wish to express my support for groups like veterans for peace, the network for spiritual progressives, the peace island solutions driven conference, and others who are working to build a better world and come to where the power elite are making their plans to show the world that they do not speak for all of us.

testing ... w a shorter message without any links ... tried posting before and didnt go thru ...

are there any hot chicks gunna be at the protest?

hey merle,
my former best friend is an iraqi vet. With in days of his return after heavy drinking he decided to tell me a story about iraq. It involved raids women and little girls. This war is bull shit, and any dumbass who thinks otherwise because the "MEDIA" told them so is an idiot as well. I believe it was the "MEDIA" that also said twelve coal miners we're found alive in virginia. Boy did they get that one wrong. PS. Tell Bill O'riely i said what's up facist

Alkaline's message of 08-20-08 is right on! You are a bunch of spoiled brats, America Haters, and some Communists.............I dare you to goto North Korea or Iran or Russia and try this you wimpy cowards. It would be your last protest ever, believe me. Better yet, just leave America!

Edited by author 08-22-2008 10:31 AM
Jess will you protest the RNCC?
HERE HERE Merle, well said, over.

Thanks for answering, Jessica. I agree with not liking rampant materialism, although I love my comfort. I also do what I can to minimalize my "mark", but it's mostly because I save money (my security) by doing so. You and I are very different. By the way, I am a female.

I'm very against war protests, as I served in the service of this great country. War is not as "unnecessary" as many ignorant people believe. It takes a deep knowledge of complex world affairs to understand everything there is to know about a war.

You seem pretty reasonable, so I'll ask if you've ever been open to seeing the other side and hearing other stories besides the ones about what "crooks" this administration is. I don't agree with everything they've done, but they have done a lot of good, and I don't, for a minute, believe they are out just to hurt people.

I've had friends that were only listening to the rantings of other friends, and believed everything they heard secondhand. They never once bothered to find out the truthfulness of the rantings. I've pointed facts out to them that they acknowledged they did not know.

I cannot stand hatred out of ignorance. I also cannot stand hatred when it is thought to be "cool" to fit in with a certain belief. It seems extremely, cultishly popular to hate this administration, and it bothers the hell out of me.

I am a news junkie, and consider myself very well informed, so I'm not just talking out of my rear end.

Thanks, Jessica.

there's a difference between simplicity and tremendous excess . . .and no,im not going to protest the dnc.

Edited by author 08-21-2008 02:02 PM
Are you going to protest against the DNCC?
What about AL Gore or John Edwards?
I mean I see your need for simplicity, but not everyone
wants to live like you.

me, i was talking more of the evils of unchecked greed, materialism and destruction than i was of capitalism, and i tried to make that distinction very clear. did i say anywhere that i thought communism was the solution? i dont latch on to any "ism". i find it sad that there are so many judgments and assumptions here. (alkaline and nearly every other person who has posted).
thing is the growing numbers of people in various social /environmental change movements cannot all be pigeonholed into a category. and to consider all of us and all our ideas "brainwashed" is, well, brainwashed. unless one believes that the efforts of poorly done parodies like ortizaxalotl are a way to classify all activists, then i cant blame you for being insulting!
  
me, you say you think we should be better stewards of our planet? then we have something in common. there are many ways to make a difference. financial clout and capitalism among them ( http://www.coopamerica.org/ ). perhaps if we could have more respect for folks who are working to make a difference, we could actually get somewhere. . .

Edited by author 08-20-2008 01:20 PM


This is just the same old SDS crap, nothing new here!
Been going on since the 1960's, Bunch of brainwashed spoiled kids that don't know how good they have it.


















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Is your cross completely organic? Gimme a friggen break. You talk about the evils of capitalism, you're obviously to young to remember what the communists did to east germany. I dn't want the enviornment destroyed and I believe that we should be better stewards of our planet that being said capitalism is the way to go. You seem to have the potential for rational thought why not instead drawing attention to yourself as a freak. make a business of cleanig your area up. Solve some problems rather then being a pain in peoples fourth point of contact. Then once you have financial clout you you can address the companies that are hurting the enviornment.

Just a Thought, I could be wrong.

hi merle, and everyone... i'd like to respond to the questions you asked. as your post is now buried behind many other posts, ill reprint it here -
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"Jessica,
I'd like to know what clothes you wear, where they are made, and by whom. Who makes your shoes, and does a machine put them together, or are they handmade? Does the company make your shoes for a profit? Do any of these companies that make the things you need produce carbon? And if so, can you quantify it?

Where do you get your food, and how did it get to that place? Was carbon put into the atmosphere during the transportation of the food?

Something you people fail to realize is that people have to be taken care of. We can't live in caves, we need warmth, food, clothes. We need to work. How in the world can you do all this for so many people? What are your specific answers? "
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well, you make many valid points. i don't claim to be perfect. i think the question of how to feed and shelter a huge, overpopulated planet is extremely complicated, and i appreciate you bringing up these issues. i don't claim to have the answers for a planet as large as we currently are. but i do know of some positive pieces of the puzzle.

as for my personal purchasing, my clothes are 99.9% second hand, or found. once every few years i may purchase something new if it's made with organic cotton or other natural materials. (as for certain undergarments, which i dont buy used, sometimes i buy organic cotton underwear, sometimes i dont, and i have lots of old socks and bras i continue to wear.) while i agree that we do need things to be produced in order to live, i see such an overabundance of clothing in the wastestream, and i think most of us have far more clothes than we can justify as "needs", myself included. and cotton is an incredibly toxic crop. true, my clothes are made with cotton, and in sweatshops most likely, but i do see a difference when an item is already in existence versus plucking it new from the planet. my cell phone was bought second hand as well, which is the only piece of technology i own. i may get a camera and / or laptop at some point, but not new.

ahh, shoes. until several years ago, shoes were included in my buying everything used plan. developing heel spurs after much walking in 9 year old sneakers was a humble awakening to the fact that only do shoes need to be comfortable, they must actually have some cushion to support the feet. shoes for me have one purpose, support of my body, and i buy one pair, new, every year. and i have two pairs of second hand rainboots. if i was truly dedicated in every way, i would have taken time to research the various options in footware made by companies which operate as sustainably as they can, finding shoes just as supportive as the sneakers ive gotten attached to for helping those heel spurs recover. i get new balance sneakers, made in the u.s.a. out of goodness knows what.

i eat mostly organic, keeping an eye out for local, and less packaged. despite the exaggerated rantings of those who think its something to make fun of, the farmers market makes a lot of sense, and i go there often but not always. but yes, there is carbon produced in food production and transport. i dont own a car, i usually am in places with abundant public transport (id ride a bike more if i felt safer on the streets), but as you know, there is carbon use involved in most anything.

i dont claim to have all the answers, but this is a network i deeply respect, and i encourage you and all readers to look at this site -
http://www.coopamerica.org/ . from the nature of this list and tone of the conversations here, i suppose anyone can find something to insult within a second of looking. ( "they mention e-waste! but they have a website! what hypocrites! they're conspiring to turn everyone against technology and they even have a website! and you can place orders for products thru the site! they take credit cards! theyre evil! as dark as dick cheney, look they're selling things!" )

sorry, sorry, i'm really trying to maintain balance here, but damn it's difficult given what this organizing tool? discussion board seems to have descended into ....
point being, those who pose the questions how can i be protesting greed and pollution and corruption and be advocating a business / product site, please allow yourself to look at coopamerica with an open mind. the info and companies there show that it's very possible to produce things and services while considering one's impact on the planet, as well as how the workers are treated.
  (see also - bill mckibben, zero waste initiatives, paul hawken, etc ..)

about capitalism - i emphatically dislike how capitalism, as its structured here and as it always seems to be, puts profit above all. when workers are exploited on all sides of the world and the elements we rely on for life (not to mention have their own inherent value) are poisoned to make more and more and more, it makes me angry. i hate shopping malls, advertising - i really, really, hate the advertising pollution of the mental environment, and the way many companies string us along for our insecurities so we can give them green pieces of paper.
but -- the problems, to me, seem to be more the greed, the pollution, the unconsciousness. or, the calculated manipulation. some say these things cannot be separated from capitalism. if i knew another way that i felt would work for as many people as there are, i may consider myself "anti-capitalist". but i dont know another way that can instantly be put in place for the massive numbers of humans as there are now. not to say i know for sure another way wouldnt work, but there are alot of us here. we do need to keep warm and eat and some of us need medical equipment / tests / even dare i say it, prescription drugs, while i know that they are criminally overprescribed and misrepresented. so, i dont advocate capitalism nor do i say i am flat out against it. i look at the whole picture, i condemn the pollution, waste, greed, and corruption, while at the same time recognize value in things that are working for a better world, that have integrity, that consider honesty, life, values important. does that make sense?

also, i have seen other ways of living work, and i have seen others live much lower footprint than myself. but as ive only seen this in certain pockets, in relatively small numbers, i cant yet say with certainty that we can all do this. but there are those who know the answers to where everything they use comes from, and i deeply respect that. barter, chickens and eggs, bicycles, natural medicines and making tinctures and soaps and wool, sharing healing, knowledge, vegetables, childcare, permaculture, cobb building, acoustic entertainment, solar ovens, stories instead of television, etc. etc... that is the world i want to live in. but, i must admit, merle, i dont have the knowledge to be sure we can all be sustained in this way. there are alot of us. so, while we still are so many, and until i am able to make a shift and live in a place where food is grown on the land and other things are bartered, i believe that "conscious capitalism" does have a place. there are businesses that produce things and use carbon and are trying, really trying, to be as close to zero waste as possible. there are businesses that make things with a triple bottom line way. doesnt mean i want to rush out to a mall and shop my way to revolution. but i see sustainable purchasing, along with reducing consumption, as part of it. but there is greenwashing - like mcdonalds posing as caring because theyre pushing salads or giving the chickens a few extra inches in their tiny cages. i believe in being discerning about everything. especially what we put in our bodies... "read the ingredients" ...

i think we need to drastically curb our consumption. according to jane goodall and many others, if everyone consumed like americans, we would need four planets. the online video "the story of stuff" - http://www.storyofstuff.com/ explains that because of "planned obsolescence" 99% of the stuff we buy is not in use in 6 months. *please understand, that just because im considering capitalism in a wholistic way of viewing things, does not mean i think that is ok!!
  continuing to consume useless stuff we dont need, whether its made more sustainably or not, is wasteful. but we can think more about everything we do and buy, or even 80% of it. thinking do we need this? where does it come from?
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about the rnc - the acts committed by the "leadership" of this country far exceed the damage of a pair of new balance sneakers, or for that matter the frantic shopping sprees of a thousand christmases. depleted uranium. disgustingly bloated military budget at the expense of taking care of basic needs at home. outright lying. project for a new american century. appointing industry insiders to protect the public from the exploitation of same industries. stolen elections. hiring scientists to make false statements about the "safety" of toxins that are profitable, and to downplay the dangers of climate change. etc, etc, etc ...
there are many reasons people are going to protest the rnc, and make it clear that this is not the world we want. if not all of us are 100% perfect in all we do, that doesn't make us hypocrites. i am not trying to protest the purchase of one pair of shoes, the fact that the delegates don't all grow their own food, or even the fact that they and many of us, self included, are using a lot of carbon to get there by airplane. i am going to protest crimes of such a huge level that it is amazing cheney and bush have not been impeached. i am going to protest a candidate who wants to keep us in a spiral of war, and who is feeding on fear of change to keep this country heading in a very dismal direction. theres more to say as always, but must go for now.

thanks for taking the time to read this. respectful feedback welcome.

I think ortizaxalotl is a creepy dude pretending to be a debutant

why are so many people spending energy in this spiral of exageration?

merle, you asked me some valid questions the other day. i just have a second right now, but will respond to that shortly.

Edited by author 08-19-2008 11:39 PM
God damn. Even arock would find this crap spewed forth on this list absurd! Spend all of daddy's trust fund money on the farmers market. Then go to the homeless shelter when that's gone because you've never learned to do a damn thing with your own two hands but fulfill the Socialists goal of being 100% dependent on something else for basic life necessities.

To jessica: If ortizaxalotl is the best this side has to offer, then the Repubs will have no problem winning. :-

i figure this is obvious by now, but, with all respect to "ortizaxalotl", this person does not speak for most of us protesting the rnc!! i don't claim to know, i could be wrong, but i find myself wondering if ... well, how genuine they are, i'll suffice it to say.

you're fucking right i am in misery!!! all around me i see the evil oppression and i am going to make a stand against it. just today the market was out OUT completely OUT OUT OUT of organic shade-grown earth-friendly assam green tea because the fucking customs agent thugs had stopped the cargo from eastern nagaland!!! for what??? growing organic tea??? and no one fucking cared!!!

not even my psychiatrist cared, not even my yoga instructor cared, not even my physical therapist cared one fucking bit. and my fucking trust fund CPA was not in his office to take my call and he is probably a goddam REPUGNANTcan anyway!!!

fuck this shit shit shit i want to go our like a beacon of light blazing forth from this hellhole.

Wow, ortizaxalotl...your life is just dipped in shit, isn't it?

when i was young daddy always sent me off to ettiquette school, ballet class, and english riding school, and the men were all such brutish pigs. he threatened to cut off my trust fund if i didn't attend the debutante ball and make eyes at the governors son.

i thought that spending daddy's money to travel the world would bring me to my soulmate, but all it did was to open my eyes to injustice.

i thought that foreign men would not be oppressors like ameriKKKan men, but all i got was a broken heart.

animal farm, you are sweet to think about me, but i am not able to work out like i used to, since last year i broke both of my ankles trying out for the olympic gymnastics team, and i am so huge at 112 lbs, i feel so fucking gross.

even now writing with my fellow travellers in anarchy, all you care about is my figure, my soft green eyes and pale blonde hair.

you don't know me. no one knows me. but they will. i promise GODDESS GAIA that my name will be known alongside that of MALACHI RITSCHER forevermore.

ortizaxalotl are you good looking female? if so I might be persuaded to help save you.

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Your wretched life is not so wretched after all. What's so injust about your ability to speak your mind? There seems to be a blossoming of your writing that might bring a certain sense of understanding to the many people who cannot put their thoughts into words. Poetic is what they call it, I think.

If you can't bear to become old, how about plastic surgery or I'll share a secret here...workout like a madman. A good sweat always removes the piss and vinegar that gets bottled up in ones alimentary canal.

How about it ortizaxalotl, a better poem? Or, are you too full of fat words and paragraphs?
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to the fellow traveller named "me",

i cannot bear to live in this world of injustice any longer without making a lasting and permanent statement against the oppressors of the planet.

all around i see the earth devastated by global warming and pollution. evil men think of nothing but their own greed and corruption. i cannot bear to become old with nothing to look forward to. even the wealth my dad left me means nothing, and my life is in vain. college, travel around the world have done nothing but open my eyes to injustice.

if i can only make one statement with my wretched life against the evil system, then i choose to make this way as a beacon of light against the darkness of oppression, burning brightly in a blaze of glory.

ortizaxalotl, A question if you will. do you plan on following Malachis good example? If so wont that further pollute the enviornment. I urge you not to do so as I enjoy Hunting and need a healthy enviornment to continue to do so.

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WOW AnimalFarm has posted the best informational pamphlet there on ebay where all of the capiDULList scum shop -- Pearls before SWINE indeed.

Just as soon as my next check comes in from Dad's Trust Fund I am going to get a money order and buy up several as collectors items to leave to my orphans after I am gone.

Do NOT use a capiDULList credit card to buy off of ebay!!!

MALACHI RITSCHER set the example for all of us forever!!!

Let's honor his legacy of protesting against war in the one way they can never fully ignore or defeat.

 MALACHI RITSCHER showed us the WAY!!!

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Wow...so much anger here! I'm not one for many words,so I've been working on a project to express my veiws. I worked very hard on this and would like as many of you as possible to veiw it. I just released it on eBay. No this is not a sales pitch, so don't bitch!

Everything I've uploaded is FREE for the world to print at home. Just do a search on eBay using the term 2008 Republican National Convention or go directly to the address I've posted. I hope this little project gives everyone a bit of a warm and fuzzy chuckle, so desperately needed in a world run by humans. Remember reading Animal Farm?


Good luck to all the rationalizing minds out there. I'm off to play catch with the dog!

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ortizaxalotl sorry to tell you this, but homeboy malachi ritscher was a depressed suicidal Marxist mess because he basically failed in everything he tried to do. He wasn't famous and was pretty much just looking for an excuse to off himself to catch some sort of fame which again failed miserably.

I work 3 jobs and have a small business on the side that I'm just starting,
I’m planning for a wedding, saving a little for a house, raising my son.
I do not have a trust fund like yourself so I don't have time to quit my jobs and join your little group of slackers who "feel" like there making a change. You’re a poser

Darfur is being killed and starved by the Janjaweed, Not the oil companies that you so ignorantly claim. Why do you people always cry about Darfur, why not Burma which was destroyed by Socialism by Ni Win...forced labor (which are slaves if you don't know), they have no freedom of speech or political freedom, state-sanctioned torture and rape and children are kidnapped while watching there parents murdered and forced to join the military.

Just because you buy organic produce from the farmers market doesn't automatically make you the poster boy or girl for eco sustainability.

So why don't you go shout your hippie liberal socialist B.S. in Cuba, Venezuela, or China. Then you will live first hand in what you preach or you can always follow in the steps of "the great one" and perform self-immolation.

Open up your eyes, rooster77. We're not the fucking idiots. You are probably some oil company paid stooge working 9 to 5 to feed your fat old white face with mcdonalds oppression-burgers.

We on the other hand know how to live responsibly in eco-sustainability, buying local organic from the farmers market.

Every month when I cash my check from Dad's Trust Fund and reinvest it in organic, I am taking money from the oil companies and reinvesting it in HOPE and CHANGE.

Oppressionomics has FAILED! Oil companies are starving children in Darfur while creating riches for old white men.

Walk away from your paid stooge job!!! Break free and join us!!!

Goddess GAIA has brought you here for a purpose. YOu know you want to join us in bringing down the oppressors who are exploiting you. Come join us!!!

MALACHI RITSCHER set the example for all of us forever!!!

I love how you have this retarded site and board...and right on the left hand side theres an ad by google for the youth RNC conference link. Jessica do you really believe the crap your writing, what college taught you this stuff, do you even know your history.

you guys are fucking idiots

Are we in this just for ourselves? How serious are we? Are we willing to make a life and death commitment to send the message that we mean what we say?

Many are willing to enter the fray for fun and games, but few of us have the courage of our convictions, the courage and grace of Malachi Ritscher who left a lasting eternal message against war, and love for the oppressed people everywhere.

Radical action calls for... RADICAL action!!!

MALACHI RITSCHER set the example for all of us forever!!!

Jessica,

I'd like to know what clothes you wear, where they are made, and by whom. Who makes your shoes, and does a machine put them together, or are they handmade? Does the company make your shoes for a profit? Do any of these companies that make the things you need produce carbon? And if so, can you quantify it?

Where do you get your food, and how did it get to that place? Was carbon put into the atmosphere during the transportation of the food?

Something you people fail to realize is that people have to be taken care of. We can't live in caves, we need warmth, food, clothes. We need to work. How in the world can you do all this for so many people? What are your specific answers?

I like This site!
Thanks!

hi, louise. i must say i agree that face painting and pinatas are not in themselves going to transform the world. and i understand that it's hard for the residents there to see your city transformed into a chaotic mix of protesters, delegates, roadblocks, etc. (i live in nyc and experienced the last rnc).
yet, the millions of people (billions worldwide), who have problems with the republican / greed based agenda have reasons that go much deeper than what you're seeing. you ask us to stay off people's private property, but how do you feel about carcinogens invading the air you breathe and the water you drink (and hence, all of our bodies) because those appointed to head the "regulatory agencies" which are responsible for keeping us safe are strongly tied to the industries that pollute? what about the private, for-profit interests that are wanting ownership of social security, education, health care, even water? what about the trampling of the constitution which was put in place to protect us? and the outright lying to the american people and the world? there are *so many reasons* i don't have time now to go into that people are angry at the direction our country's "leadership" is taking us.

perhaps not every event during the rnc reflects the seriousness and depth of these issues. but i wonder if you would have an easier time with the infusion of people and events into your city if you would allow yourself to research and understand the reasons they have come. doesn't mean agreeing with everything or being drawn to every event. just a basic understanding that this country is seriously headed in a dangerous, corrupt direction and people wish to come to express that not everyone wants what is going on, that there are some serious things the republicans / greed-driven ideologies have done to hurt america, the world, and the earth and water we rely on for survival.

** please, if you disagree, respond with respectful language and concrete reasons. i would like to hear what you have to say. and fellow activists, if there is anything here you disagree with, that i've said or anyone else has said, please please let's practice "being the change we wish to see" and speaking with respect. thanks!!

How can I donate to your cause? I have a
garbage full of dirty diapers that you can have.

Today I received an invitation to one of your anti-RNC hangouts planted between the door cracks of the funeral home I work at. GET A LIFE! It says you are going to have facepainting and pinatas. What a waste of time, people. You damn liberals are so off base that I truly wonder what makes your feeble brains tick. Stay off of people's private property (I'm sure not all of our neighbors appreciated your junk in their doors either!) and GET REAL!

Hello. People good, tell me what's happening in a conflict involving Russia and Georgia? Who is guilty, who is fueling the war? Share please their views. Thank you.

Practice what we preach? We're not the problem. We're not the ones killing the earth. We could shun cars, buses, etc, etc and corporations would continue polluting. Probably more in one day then we could save by avoiding that shit all year. So let's not call on ourselves to quit, especially if it means making it difficult for people to come to an event- call out the people who are really responsible.

In order to truly practice what we preach, I propose we shun all forms of carbon-based transportation. This includes cars, buses, trains and airplanes. The weather will be beautiful. Why not walk or ride our bikes? Sure we will have to get an early start, but lets...practice what we preach.

i want to know what transportation there will be to the convention or the 'green spaces' -- any spaces near the convention. what buses will take people to places within walking distances? i live in arden hills, where we have no buses. i will 'park and bus'. anyone have any notion of how the buses will be working? thanks.

ok, so thinking low risk plus creative / effective . . . i'm particularly drawn to messaging. i feel like a key reason we're converging here is to bring the truth out. not just to criticize or show anger at what is wrong with the world (which is quite a lot, and quite f*ked up, i know), but to show *why* its a problem and what a better world could look like. and to express those truths in ways that are comprehendable and interesting to those we most want to reach.

specific messages im still brainstorming on (any ideas?), but as far as this discussion of low risk ways to contribute, im thinking some ways could be sign making, flyer making, and distributing. taping to lampposts may have legal consequences, but theres also placing in shops and bulletin boards, and/or handing out to people. (does anyone have paper / copier resources who likes this idea?)

* let's think abt what we want to say and how that may sound from another's perspective (beyond the progressive choir who already knows what's up), and try our best to be clear and share the truth in a way which is digestible to the mainstream. because there's so much that is not understood, and the truth is so strong right now . . . what do u think?

SGT Fascist: This board is for getting people together, not open political discussion. Go to www.foxnews.com for your fill of ignorant debate.

Wow. Four messages have been deleted. What's the matter topic administrator? I thought liberalism meant acceptance of all ideas.

Hypocrite

I'm going to unsubscribe from this list tomorrow as I'm tired of reading such crap. Life is too short.

If there is no moderation here, then I propose this list be shut down and another one that can be moderated take it's place.

argh



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You assume we don't have jobs? That's a good one.

Brilliant!

A am a St. Paul native, and I know Downtown like the back of my sac. I am more than willing to help anyone who has questions/concerns about logistics and planning.
Although, I cannot put myself in a position to confront law enforcement, I know many of you plan to. I can help.
Some friends and I will be floating around that day, and from what I've gathered from the sector map is the potential for good action in sectors 4&5.
The sectors that should have the most "green space" are 1&2, but would probably get more media exposure in 2 because of Kellogg Park and the cliffs/bridges it sits on. 1 seems like a dead zone to me, and we don't need to stretch numbers that could be used elsewhere - most delegate traffic will be arriving from th Southwest - I would assume.
Thats it for now, I'm short on time this morning, but please feel free to contact me and pick my brain.... I want to help any way I can.

See you in the Streets!
cjconnett@yahoo.com

Which university?

Get on university ave and head east. It goes right to the capital. Excel is about 1 mile south of there.

Biking to the RNC
MORNING RIDE FROM MPLS TO STP

need safe road routes into the cities, coming in from Mankato
need safe road route from NE University to Capitol
Anyone else interested in a nice morning ride to the capital?

witness, inform, and mass...

use this message board to discuss a radical green space around the RNC

see ya in september