Discussion Forum for Readers and Supporters of European Action

We know atrocities were committed by both sides in WW2. But some things that were accepted then are no longer acceptable now in the 21st century. The bombing, shelling or rocketing of crowded civilian areas is one of them.
Watching the latest Israeli butchery of Palestinian civilians in Gaza makes one feel angry. But it also makes us feel impotent - helpless spectators from the sidelines.
However there are things that we can do. Much has been made of trials at the Hague of leaders from the Balkans and Africa for crimes against humanity. Surely the Israeli political and military leaders who are behind the present carnage in Gaza have done more than enough to have the charge of war crimes brought against them.
Let everyone write to their local MP asking him or her to call for the process of collecting judicial evidence against Israeli leaders to begin and that this is followed by their extradition for trial. If Israel does not cooperate then the UN would be entitled to use any means possible (including Eichmann style abductions) to bring the criminals to justice. Personally I would prefer it if these Israeli war criminals were tried in Nuremburg rather than the Hague. Just to make the point.
Such a process would send a message to everyone in the world - the State of Israel is a country of war criminals led by war criminals.

They would, Ben. I have quite a few with PROTEST AGAINST ISRAEL'S NUCLEAR BOMBS and another, NO WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
I urge European patriots to join the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

Robert
Some A5 flyers/stickers like your front page ad in the current paper would do the trick!

Edited by author 06-01-2009 09:58
An inspiring posting, european. The 'Boycott Israeli Goods' campaign should be a priority in our lives. We need to spread the word.

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Boycott Tesco, Marks & Spencer, Waitrose and Sainsbury for importing Israeli goods produced in the Occupied Territories.
Obama was shown on the news last night saying to an AIPAC meeting "We support Israel against Hamas". How right is EA no 20 to say No To Obama.

Edited by author 03-01-2009 09:31
The point is, as you said it, you should stand by it without such reservations.
I would add further, why do you enter debate and then delete your own words obviously to deny others the chance to respond properly?
You may debate your geopolitics quite freely but do not mess up the pages with your impulsive deletions.

Well of course I said it, that's quite obvious.

Well, you said it.

Edited by author 03-01-2009 09:16
Here they are:
From Balbo - "A very clear and full response from European Action there.
European-American horrifies me. The more astute Turks would
indeed say that they are of Central Asian origin, but so-called
"Eurasianism" is enjoying something of a vogue in Nationalist
circles there, as well as amongst certain sections of the left.
No they say, they are not Europeans, but then neither are they
Asians in they way say a Burmese is. This strain of thought says
they have much in common with Russia because they too are
"Eurasian". A powerful alliance were they able to overcome some
pretty important disagreements i.e. Armenia. What does all this
matter to Europe, well this Eurasia would be our eastern
neighbour, like it or not, with a fair amount of natural
resouces we are rather fond of."

I must disagree on this claim that the term is enjoying a vogue. It may be so with people like Troy Southgate and his New Right ... but there it ends. It is too wishy-washy and vague rather than vogue. We do not want grey areas - we want clear definitions.
There is also a big distinction between Central Asian as opposed to the Far East (Asian).

I wonder why you deleted your own words. Would you like to tell us?

Edited by author 03-01-2009 08:13
Ah, yes, 'Eurasian' is one of those hybrid terms invented by the exponents of the new geopolitics. The fact is, you are either a European or you are not. It has a parallel with the term 'European-American', now bandied about by the Klansman, David Duke. It is supposedly a substitute for 'white American' but with an inclination towards the new geopolitics. The fact is, you are either American or you are European. You can not be both. We reject this hybridisation along with any other attempt at cultural imperialism.
There is much of Russia that is European that is why I believe it is a natural ally ... as opposed to the United States, which is not. There are essential cultural differences that eliminate the United States from the equation. We also oppose all attempts at Americanisation in all respects.
But this term 'Eurasia' leaves me horrified. You are either of Europe or you are of Asia. It must be as clear as that or you enter the murky waters of those who see geography as the only criterion on which to base identity.
As National Europeans we regard the heart and soul of Europe as the focus for all our beliefs in social justice and the new politics ... and in terms of culture, history and all the great achievements in art and science. That does not mean we do not recognise all the great achievements of other people outside Europe. Of course we recognise them.
Turks, themselves, will tell you they are of Central Asia. All this wanting to join the European Union is expressed entirely as a matter of economic expediency because the EU, as presently run, is only a large market within global capitalism ... and not the Europe we envisage.
Thiriart seems to have been inviting Turkey simply because it would mean a geographical advantage but I think you have taken him out of context. Such opinions are not set in stone and we are always free to revise them according to the best interests of Europe and its people. This is what he is saying and it will be left to others to decide.

There's the rub Ben. Russia,Turkey,Europe-a conundrum. You're right Turks are not Europeans,Europe stands distinct in history and culture. But they are Eurasians-as are Russians. Nietzche, Thiriart, Dugin all had something to say here. Vladivostok to Reykjavik? Mmmmmm, if Turkey is not Europe, then Tatarstan certainly isn't.

Mind you historically Europeans have invaded, oh well, everywhere; so it is a bit rich to use historical Turkish aggression as a reason for them not being part of Europe.

There are better reasons; principally Turks are not European.

By the way folks I was wrong about Russia regarding the Georgian affair, my apologies.

Edited by author 03-01-2009 07:13
And you are right BTW, these theoretical questions seem trifling compared to what's happening over there.
I am of course referring to the Palestine.