Discussion Forum for Readers and Supporters of European Action

Edited by author 14-08-2008 22:21
Basically, it is all to do with oil and gas pipelines ... especially oil from the Caspian Sea area.
The Israelis have an interest in this. They want to bypass Russia and use Georgia as transit. Then on to Turkey and Israeli sea ports.
Georgia began this conflict with a military attack upon South Ossetia. They thought Russia would stand by and do nothing. They were wrong.
Russia is justifiably peeved with American encroachment in eastern Europe. Putin is simply protecting Russian interests in that part of the world.
I agree with FG on Russia being European. We should embrace Russia and reject any 'special relationship' with the United States.
In fact, we should call for the complete withdrawal of American military from European soil ... which would mean scrapping NATO.
How about a new Warsaw Pact of ALL of Europe with our Russian brothers? That and good relations with the Arab and Islamic world. America (and Israel) would be like spoilt brats put in their place.
Who the hell does this Condoleeza Rice think she is, flying around the world wagging her little finger? She is the one who needs isolation.

Georgia reentered a part of their own country occupied by foreign forces of the Putin FSB/KGB oligarchy who had spent months shelling parts of Georgia.

The reaction of the "nekulturniy" Russians came as no suprise, terror bombing hospitals, and encouraging ethnic killing of civilians by Russian armed out of control militias.

Georgia is European, Russia has proved that she is not yet European but still Asian in sensibility and actions

So Russia is "still Asian" (according to Ben Waterhouse) because it goes to the assistance of fellow Russians whom they believe are being mistreated by the Georgians? A strange definition of 'Asian' in anybody's book.

You also say the core of the problem is "Russians...terror bombing hospitals and encouraging ethnic killing". We have learnt from bitter experience that in war-like situations atrocities are committed by some people on BOTH sides. Trying to make out that only the Russians (or the Germans) commit atrocities, and are therefore the guilty party, isn't believable anymore.

Although no allied servicemen were hung at Nuremburg we know that the first Allied troops to land on the beach heads of Normandy on D-Day had been ordered not to take any prisoners for the first week. They obliged -and as usual history was written by the victors.

As Mosley used to point out: the ONLY way to avoid atrocities is to avoid war.

I think the idea of Britain and Europe leaving NATO and joining a relaunched Warsaw Pact is an excellent idea. In a stroke it would show the Americans we are no longer prepared to be their tame poodle - and demonstrate to Russia that the rest of Europe is genuinely supportive of her interests.

As Condoleeza Rice said "It's not 1968 any more".

Edited by author 19-09-2008 22:15
It seems there's never been a better time to ditch capitalism and switch to some better system that offers stability and economic justice.

We always knew that bankers were greedy barstewards who took fat bonuses in addition to their astronomical salaries. But most people thought that they were at least experts at their job, even professionals, who would prevent a worldwide financial catastrophe. If only because they didn't want to kill the goose that laid their golden eggs.

But people reckoned without the blind greed for even fatter bonuses as bankers bought bundles of dodgey mortgages without bothering to check how sound they were. And what was the FSA watchdog doing to prevent this failure of basic banking 'good practice'? And what was Gordon Brown doing, you will remember that he was the guy who for ten years kept telling us how 'prudent' he was? But he didn't see it coming either or else he turned his blind eye to it.

Regardless of the outcome, this is undoubtedly the worst economic disaster in living memory and soon ordinary people will start paying for it with their jobs, their homes and their savings.

Capitalism is now totally discredited in the eyes of the masses and perhaps for the first time in a generation will become receptive to alternatives - such as Mosley's proposals for a stakeholder syndical economy contained within a protected autarkic European system.

This places a heavy responsibility on those few people who know the answer. Every adversity brings with it the seed of a greater benefit.

Spot on Flash Gordon.

I'll get told of for posting that brief response, so I'll add that Flash Gordon's analysis is completely correct, never was there a greater need for unity. The state is now intervening, there to pick up the pieces when it all goes terribly wrong, which it inevitably does. The state is also used to buttress the system when all is going well but ostensibly ideologically rejected as nothing more the a hindrance to Capitalism.
But before the Marxist left get out the red flags let's not forget just how sclerotic the economies of Communist eastern Europe became in the latter years. Only European Socialism has the answer.

We know from bitter experience not to expect too much from new governments continuing to support old systems, either here or in America. But perhaps we can still hope that that whoever emerges as the next U.S. President will create a few new initiatives designed to counter the wide-spread view of America as using bully-boy tactics to ensure it gets it own way.

For example,instead of threatening and bullying Iran over its alleged nuclear programme, why not look at the wider issue of nuclear weapons in the volatile Middle East. The new U.S. Government, supported by Europe, should use its muscle and financial influence to make the whole Middle East west of Pakistan a nuclear-free zone.

Every country in that region should be encouraged to either give up any existing nuclear capability or call an immediate halt to plans to achieve such a weapon.

I have a feeling the Iranian President would look sympathetically on such a proposal. The question is, would the new U.S. President be tough enough to persuade Israel to dismantle its nuclear weapons - and end years of hypocracy in American foreign policy?

Concerning the recession and the world financial crisis. Serves the Capitalists right! Only Mosley knew the answers to boom and bust.
Regarding the Russian-Georgian conflict. When the European Nation State is achieved and the combined European Defence Force is created, there will be no more wars between kindred Europeans. Europe will be a lot better off when we tell the United States and Israel to stop meddling in our affairs. Georgia must free itself from its Zionist government. There have been mass demonstrations in Poland to protest against the governments' deal with America to place US missiles on European soil, which are targeting Iran but have rightly angered neighbouring Russia. Israeli officials admitted they considered attacking Iran during the summer.
The current issue of European Action was right to condemn the racist murder of the Arab student in Hastings, just as it is right to condemn the racist murders and attacks against whites by black and asian immigrants and vice versa.

The government say that the recession will lead to an increase in crime and racial tension in Britain. Union Movement would have combated these evils by reintroducing Lex Talionis 'Let the punishment fit the crime' with the reintroduction of capital punishment as a deterrent to murder, and more police on the beat. Racial conflict would have been ended by implementing Mosley's policy of stopping non-European immigration and encouraging immigrants to return to their ancestral homelands with fares paid to good homes and jobs.

The Tories have admitted they would undermine the National Minimum Wage if they win the next General Election. The minimum wage should be raised to £7-£8 per hour with similar levels throughout Europe. We can have high wages because we will have our own market and raw material supply in Europe a Nation. Higher wages can be paid when we have mass production for this large market and are free from undercutting by cheap labour on world markets.

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"In 1964, the political-historical problem arises in the following
way: the Turks control the access to the Eastern
Mediterranean, Europe must control this sea, therefore the
Turks are Europeans. It will go to the moralists, to the writers,
to the historians, in a word to the intellectuals to add to my
realistic considerations the ornaments
usually asked "(Jean THIRIART – 1964).

Interesting quote. However, Turkey is a Central Asiatic country not European. Historically the Turks have tried to invade European soil. Many Turkish patriots oppose the proposal for Turkey to join the European Union.
Protest against Israeli terror bombing of Gaza!

The Huns (Central Asian ancestry)tried to invade European soil too, and had some limited success, hence the country we call Hungary.
So what was Thiriart going on about then?