Discussion Forum for Readers and Supporters of European Action

I agree. TOGETHER INTO THE FUTURE!
Whether we are of any religion or none at all. The welfare of our European people must always come first. The rest is a matter of individual conscience.
Let us celebrate the great diversity of our people in Europe a Nation.

Although we will disagree on a view of religion, we will still stand together for the benefit of the people for a fair and equal life and have our say in the way forward for generations to come. Let us unite together and make "Europe A Nation" and rid us of this cancerous growth around our necks that abuses democracy on an unmanageable scale that will one day lead to us drifting into an poverty strickened world.

I am not so sure that an obsession with money can be described as a religious experience. Mammon is the Biblical name for an idol of the worldly rich but it is more of an evil influence than anything spiritual. Quite the opposite to anything as elevating as Godliness.
You are right when you claim that religion is used as a shield by evil people and this is how religion gets a bad press.
You are perfectly free to be an atheist and equally free to express the reasons why you are an atheist. I have no problem with that. In fact, I have no problem with anyone expressing a view that is the opposite to mine. It is only small-minded bigots that can not tolerate a different point of view.
As for your last sentence, it is true that the West is completely under the influence of money and that the people in the West are basically materialistic. This is the reason we are all in this economic mess at the moment and for a long time to come. Everyone wants to own so much when life is far better when we have less and only those things we genuinely need.
So materialism becomes the substitute for higher things ... they being of the essence of man, his spiritual nature.

The blog we are having over this subject is what life and opinion is all about, I'm happy to say that their is no malice or aggression in our blog with one another. This is how the people of this land should be treated when having a differant view on any subject. The trouble with religion is it is constantly used as a shield by evil people across the globe to hide behind, sadly for the few genuine believer's( and I do mean a few) it is causing much unrest in the few being loving and caring people who do not worship money behind closed doors. Robert can you honestly say with a hand on heart that the greatiest and most respected religion in today's society across the world is Money!

Atheistic communism is responsible for many hundreds of millions of deaths throughout the Twentieth Century. But surely it is the misuse and abuse of religion that led many leaders of churches to torture and burn those regarded as heretics.
It is the same with those who use Islam for political purposes and commit atrocities in its name.
I have not mentioned Darwin and I have not dismissed the great man. It is interesting, though, that Darwin recanted many of his evolutionary ideas later in life.
There are often two strands of thinking in the great religions of the world. There are those who are fundamentalists and take the holy word quite literally. Then there are those who treat it as allegorical, not literal but serving to teach a morality. You take your choice.
Proof of 'superhuman gods' does not come into it. It is faith that moves the religious no matter how much you dislike it. I repeat, religiosity is the human feeling that there is something greater than all of us. You either feel that or you do not. Where is the dispute over that?

Thank you Robert, I must confess I believe in Darwin's theory and ever more will do so, to which I must confess that his theory has not caused any wars or evile treatment to any ones opinions that do not fall in line
with faith doctrine's. Under various faiths millions have been murdered for non belief of individual invented Gods. I find it quite remarkable for people to throw darwin's views in the bin, while unable to present any proof of super human Gods who have over many years produced evile spokesmen
that are still respected.

European Action believes in complete religious toleration. As such, we should respect those religious people who contribute to society in many ways including an ethical influence. This is the greatest contribution of genuinely religious people.
Religiosity is the human feeling that there is something greater than all of us. This human feeling is shared by both Christians and Muslims.
In response to another comment by 'a european person', we do not condone ideas of racial supremacy. Races are different, that is true, but each race holds within it its own inner worth. It is right for them.
We need religion more than ever in this liberal secular society that is responsible for the near-total degeneracy of the West. We need a strong morality that only a really dynamic religion can inspire.
Secular atheism has been a curse.

Religion is a super natural belief which may have been invented by crackpots, why did God or Gods make us differant? Some are white some are black, the Black African as a smaller brain than the white european. If that is correct then faith is another con tric created by some form of God that demands that the cracpot was Darwin. I'm an athiest and want equal laws and treatment for all, religion should have nothing to do with Law,
or education, it should be kept at home behind closed doors, as it can be offensive. I'm against fixed marriage which should not be allowed,like women treated as second class citizens, what sort of gods are we dealing with?

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Sharia law would work on a two tier system along with English secular law. English secular law as enacted by Parliament would be paramount regarding the more serious offences.
There is no reason why Sharia law should not be applied within Muslim communities just as the deliberations of the Beth Din are accepted by religious Jews.
Atheists have no religion, therefore they can not have religious laws. They have only English secular law.
I agree with FG. A religion must be defined by the number of its adherents. Otherwise you have crackpots inventing religions every five minutes.
Let us maintain a sense of proportion, please.

As for the 30.000 or more look it up on the internet, So would it be correct in saying our law (other than British) should be carried out because we are not interested with yours. Please look beyond any faith and say this is our Law take it or leave it, don't go to Isreal and try and change there faith or Law, Christian or Muslim.

As Atheists have no religion they obviously don't need religious courts. A religion should have a reasonable number of adherants in order to qualify for having its own religious courts, something that clearly does not apply to all but half a dozen of the 30,000 different religions you mention. Incidentally, who says there are 30,000. Who counted them?

That being the case, there are at least 30.000 differant religions will they all qualify for the same respect as the two faith laws you have mentioned? Should athiest have the right to differant laws?

Sharia law applies only to Muslims. It can not be 'imposed' upon non-Muslims. This is something that needs to be made clear.
The Jewish community has the Beth Din which is an exclusively Jewish ecclesiastical court that rules on many aspects of Jewish life. The Beth Din has no jurisdiction over Christian life.
I see no reason why British Muslims should not have recourse to Sharia law when it comes to domestic issues. It is said that Sharia law is less time-consuming that the racket monopolised by lawyers in this country.
Laws concerning the punishment for murder and rape remain the prerogative of British secular law as enacted by Parliament, of course. This is accepted by Muslims.
Any public debate needs to be tempered and conducted without the hysteria that the likes of the BNP would whip up. You will find the truth is not the horror and cruelty that some would like to misrepresent the Islamic way.

Robert, should sharia law be used in in Britain without any public debate
from the run of the mill workers and their adult family's

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