Discussion Forum for Readers and Supporters of European Action

To answer your last question, Hermes, European Action, like Union Movement, calls for Europe a Nation. That means a completely unified Europe with a central government. That is more than a 'mere' federation.
Europe must become a unitary force in the world.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/3003_nazi_orgy.shtml

It is a hard enough uphill struggle as it is without the breaking news on the above News of the World link. Yet another opportunity to defame Oswald Mosley's memory albeit by way of exposing the extra-curricula activities of one of his sons.
I wonder what Nicholas Mosley would have to say after revealing the private life of his father in two books ... 'Rules of the Game' and 'Beyond the Pale'.

The story involving Max Mosley is unfortunate. There was no evidence of 'Nazi uniforms' on the News of the World's video. No doubt this was added to make the story more sensational and to attack the memory of his great father. Max Mosley says he is considering suing the paper for a 'wholly unwarranted intrusion into my private life'. (The far right Daily Express itself owned by a pornographer reproduced the story). The Tory News of the World is itself immoral so shouldn't judge others. Max Mosley is not a politician. It should be remembered that Max defended his father when physically assaulted by Reds and Yellow Star/62 Group thugs at an East London Union Movement rally in 1962.
Granted White African states are no more but the White Dominions of European descended majority populations still exist. The wage-price mechanism and workers ownership of industry or syndicalism can function side by side.

Edited by author 04-04-2008 09:33
European, you seem to think that the wage/price mechanism and workers' ownership are separate systems when you say that they 'can function side by side'.

In post 287 I wrote, "The wage/price mechanism is a method of Government leadership in the area for maintaining a parity between wages and prices which can only be achieved within a self-sufficient economy free of international competition.
Syndicalism, on the other hand, is the method of running industry in a fair and equitable way. Workers' control within the wage/price mechanism."

They would not 'function side by side' but more accurately as one being integral to the other. One is Government leadership and the other is the means whereby industry is run in practical terms.
It is misleading to talk of them as separate ideas in those practical terms because they are both parts of the whole.

Re Max Mosley, I read a refreshing article by Matthew Syed in the Times on Thursday, part of which he claims ownership of a pair of leopardskin handcuffs.
Syed wrote, "The head of a leading Jewish organisation said that Mosley should resign because his alleged re-enactment of concentration camp rituals was insulting to Jews. Call me pedantic, but how can someone be taken as insulting when his actions took place behind closed doors and were not intended to be seen by those who are now taking offence? Had Mosley merely fantasised about his Nazi fetish without acting it out, would that have been a resigning matter?
One sometimes wonders how much longer it is going to take before we pay something more than lip service to the tenets of liberalism To paraphrase Locke, what the hell have a person's fetishes got to do with anyone except those who are asked to indulge them? Not even D.H. Lawrence, that great chronicler of English sexual hypocrisy, could have imagined that, 80 years after the underground publication of Lady Chatterley's Lover, we are still haranguing people for their private sexual preferences.
Our revulsion at Mosley's behaviour is breathtakingly irrelevant. I am repulsed by homosexuality - in the strict sense that I feel nauseous at the thought of personally engaging in gay sex - but that is not sufficient reason to condemn gay men. Disgust carries not a shred of moral or legal force when it is directed at those engaged in mutually consenting behaviour, whether it involves sex, spanking or leopardskin handcuffs".

There is no doubt that Max Mosley's privacy was invaded to a very considerable degree and I wish him well in his litigation against the gutter press.

Now can we have that in English, please?

Hello everyone. I have just caught up on all the posts here. Roberts extensive description of Workers Ownership covers some very interesting points. I wondered if I might pose a question? What would the role be of the London Stock Exchange under such a system? Historically the LSE was a source of capital for small business where the shareholder bought a 'share' of the companies success or failure. This is not to be confused with the current casino that operates on a global scale and has more in common with the National Lottery. In essence if we move towards Worker Ownership and an 'Owner' were to retire what would the exit strategy be? By this I mean he owns part of the concern through his labours. How does he recieve value for that which has built? If I missed something from the earlier posts then I apologize but it does seem to have merit as a question. Hope all is well with the Forum.

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'Eddie Chapman', for all his sins, is an Americanised capitalist and very much a participant in the casino capitalism of the global variety. His speciality is in the area of asset stripping. Material profit for the least effort is very much his forte. He dabbles in 'British fascism' as a kind of hobby.
His question on syndicalism or workers' ownership is best answered by Robert Skidelsky from his biography on Mosley.
On page 495 he wrote, "This was to be one pillar of his 'European Socialism' [the wage-price policy]. The other was a 'synthesis of private enterprise and syndicalism' - an outgrowth of his earlier guild socialism and corporatist ideas. In his essay 'European Socialism' (1951) Mosley laid down three stages for the development of industrial ownership. A new industry 'is best launched and brought to the point of established success by a single creative individual' who should be 'relieved of the main burdens of taxation' and given every freedom and encouragement to use his drive and energy. At the second 'intermediate' stage, when the industry has become 'too large for personal management but not yet ripe for syndicalisation', it should be owned jointly by workers and shareholders (co-partnership). Finally, when industries become so big 'that they have passed beyond any kind of private management and are now controlled by officials of monopoly capitalism or by the officials of the state' they would revert 'to the workers who would take the place of the shareholders'.
The industry would become 'their industry and they can do what they will'. In this way Mosley hoped to reconcile private initiative with satisfaction of the quest for status which 'to an almost fantastic degree ... rises above the question of mere reward'. In political terms, he was not unaware of the advatages of an attack which can 'roll up the left flank of labour by its syndicalism [and] the right flank of conservatism by its support for the creative individual ...'. As always he liked to think of himself in the 'hard centre' ready to take over the 'soft centre' of a disintegrating liberalism". End of quote.
The creative individual as the initiator of a private enterprise would enter into the undertaking with a strong sense of service, knowing full well that he would be the creator of something that would eventually become syndicalised. His greatest reward would therefore be a recognition of his great service to European Socialism and he would be honoured as such.
The Americanised capitalist, on the other hand, only sees 'what is in it for me alone?'.
The London Stock Exchange would be replaced with a European Credit Bank for the purposes of providing European capital to new private enterprises. With Europe a Nation, the internationalism of the finance system would end and our economy and our money would belong exclusively to the European people.
The nature of international capitalism consists entirely of causing conflict between countries, exploitation through low wage economies succeeding and the inequalities of wealth and poverty within nations. The parasite that exploits this for his own emolument through amassing wealth without productive labour is an enemy of the people.

So the answer to Eddie Chapman's question is, the role of the London Stock Exchange under syndicalism would be that of a shopping mall, multi-screen cinema complex - or better still it could house the new European Credit Bank. It never ceases to amaze me that the economic system outlined in the previous posting is not more widely appreciated and supported such is its obvious superiority to global capitalism and the now discredited state socialism.

Only one political journal in Britain advocates syndicalism along these lines, European Action. It is one of the most powerful weapons in our policy portfolio.

Thank you for your lucid answer to my question. I must agree with you that the free market model is not doing very well these days! In my kneck of the woods war, famine etc are just another opportunity to buy on the cheap. Sadly the rest of the world has been infected with the same US style of thinking! When we start to make something as opposed to making our living through taking in others laundry then syndicalism with have a very real role to play in the economy.

An interesting development in the Max Mosley saga:

From The Sunday Times
May 18, 2008
MI5 linked to Max Mosley sex scandal
David Leppard
An MI5 officer has been forced to resign after admitting that his wife was a prostitute who took part in a notorious “Nazi-style orgy” with Max Mosley, the Formula One racing chief.
The intelligence officer, who cannot be named for security reasons, left the service last month after it emerged that his wife was one of the five call girls who took part in the sadomasochistic sex session with Mosley.
Exposure of the lurid orgy led to calls for Mosley, the son of Sir Oswald Mosley, the wartime British fascist leader, to step down from his post as president of the FIA, the governing body of world motor sport.
In an extraordinary turn of events yesterday, MI5 was forced to deny through Whitehall channels that the orgy had been a “sting” that it had set up to discredit Mosley. “Any suggestion that the service was involved in setting up Mosley is total nonsense,” a senior Whitehall official said.
The official did disclose, however, that one of MI5’s officers had left the agency after his wife’s involvement as a call girl in the orgy became known. “I cannot talk about individual cases, but we do expect high standards of behaviour from all staff at all times, both professionally and privately,” the official said.
“In any case where a member of staff is believed to have fallen below those standards, action will be taken.”
The officer is understood to be in his forties and to have served in the military before joining MI5, where he was involved in surveillance operations.
The disclosure is a severe embarrassment to Jonathan Evans, director-general of MI5, who is understood to have informed Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, and assured them the agency was not involved in any sting.
Questions will now be asked about why the service’s vetting procedures failed to expose the secret, which could have made the officer vulnerable to blackmail.
Mosley, who is 68 and has been married since 1960, is one of the most powerful men in world sport. His father was a hate figure who led the British Union of Fascists in the 1930s and 1940s. His mother was the society beauty Diana Mitford, a great admirer of Adolf Hitler.
When the story broke, Mosley said he had been told by a source close to the security services that he had been targeted in a covert investigation of his private life “by a group specialising in such things for reasons and clients as yet unknown”.
The F1 boss’s five-hour sex session with the five call girls took place in an underground “torture chamber” in Chelsea, west London. The Oxford-educated former barrister is alleged to have re-enacted a concentration camp scene in which he played the role of both guard and inmate.
The session is alleged to have involved prostitutes dressed as German officers and camp inmates. It was secretly caught on video by one of the call girls, who used the name Mistress Abi. Sources said it was Abi’s husband who worked for MI5 and that she sold the story to the News of the World newspaper for an undisclosed sum. According to the paper, Mistress Abi wore a Luftwaffe uniform during the session and oversaw beatings of Mosley.
In the video Mosley can be seen standing naked as Abi ties him up with chains before ordering him to lie face down on the bed. Later she screams: “Face down! Did I say move? We don’t want you comfortable.”
Mosley was condemned by Jewish groups and leading figures in the motor racing world. He was snubbed by the crown prince of Bahrain, who told him not to attend the Bahrain Grand Prix last month.
Sir Jackie Stewart, the former world motor racing champion, said that Mosley’s position was “untenable”. The Monaco royal family, the Grimaldis, have made it clear that he is not welcome at next Sunday’s showpiece grand prix in the principality.
Mosley has been unapologetic and has claimed that he needs to stay on to fight the Nazi allegations in a libel action. He denied the orgy had any Nazi theme and said it was “harmless” and “completely legal”. Disclosure of the MI5 officer’s role appears to be his latest tactic in a desperate attempt to save his job. “This is an astonishing piece of information, which I will pass on to my legal advisers,” he said last night.
The News of the World denies there was any collusion between itself and the secret services.
MI5 employs 3,500 people in the fight against Al-Qaeda and hostile powers and prides itself on its discretion. It has been horrified to discover that an officer has become involved, even indirectly, in a high-profile sex scandal.
The service will have been forced to conduct a thorough review of the officer’s work and personal life to establish whether he has put any state secrets at risk.
Security sources say that in any case where an MI5 officer or a close family member is involved in prostitution there is a risk that their integrity — and hence national security — could be compromised.
One official said: “Clearly there would be a conflict there for any member of the service. Prostitutes by the very nature of their business will be connected to people who are probably in the criminal fraternity.”
An internal MI5 investigation is trying to establish whether the officer knew his wife was involved in prostitution and whether he was involved in her business affairs.
The matter is also being examined by the Quest security company, run by Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, the former Metropolitan police commissioner who investigated the death of Diana, Princess of Wales. Quest was already working for the FIA when it was asked to investigate the Mosley affair.
Mosley is facing a confidence vote in a secret ballot of the 220 members of the FIA assembly in Paris on June 3. He has written to the presidents of member clubs painting a doomsday scenario if he is forced out of office. He says he needs to stay at the helm of the Formula One governing body until October next year in the interests of the sport.
The suggestion of MI5 involvement in the Mosley scandal will bring back echoes of the role that the spy service had in monitoring his father. Documents released by the Public Records Office in 2002 showed how the intelligence agency had planted unnamed informants inside the British Union of Fascists. They reported on him until his arrest and detention in 1940.

Despite the sting operation Max Mosley has won the confidence vote in his FIA leadership.

Good for him ... he is, after all, 'one of us'.

An MP has criticised the 'liberal elite' BBC for causing attacks on Polish people living in Britain. Conservative David Kawczynski opposes the BBC's negative coverage of 'soft touch' immigration of 'Polish White Christians' while ignoring the more 'controversial politically correct immigration from outside Europe'. Recent figures show just 8% of immigrants are from Eastern Europe, the vast majority are non-European from the Asian sub-continent and black Africa. The 'Daily Mail' recently revealed that 500,000 immigrants came to Britain last year.

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Of course, when the Russians took over Poland and established a puppet communist government they also imposed major border changes.

Eastern Poland became incorporated in the Soviet Union whilst a large chunk of eastern Germany and the Prussian enclaves were transferred to Poland. In other words, Poland was 'shifted' westwards.

As a result, many of the Polish people are really of German ethnic origin so your Polish plumber could be German despite having names that read like the bottom line on an optician's eye-chart.

Although of interest, none of this is of great importance since the future lies in our new European citizenship and the many advantages that will be ours - so long as this common citizenship is along National European lines and not as part of the global capitalist community.