Discussion Forum for Readers and Supporters of European Action

Edited by author 29-02-2008 06:47
You take a very realistic approach to the racial aspect of what it means to be a European, Hermes. To be commended.
I shall return to the views of Oswald Mosley. He has been described as a neo-Lamarckian and believed that culture was far more important than race. This is one of the major differences between us and the far-right reactionary nationalists. They are racists, pure and simple - their petty nationalisms based on extreme xenophobia.
There is no great concern on the question of being dubbed 'racist' and our position on the race issue has not been determined by any such pressure from the politically correct lobby.
Nearly all large-scale migratory movements in the last fifty years have been determined by economic factors ... that is why our main plank has been the propagation of an economic solution in the form of Europe a Nation and all the other large areas of the world where there exists a cultural bond between peoples.
Coercion is not necessary at all. It is a law of nature that everything is in a state of 'becoming'. Anything other will wither and die. And so it is with race. Mosley's main concern was that a very large number of people from very different cultures coming to Britain would create serious social problems, which events over the last fifty years have borne out. Illegal immigration is, of course, illegal and to be opposed on a legalistic basis. Who can argue with that?
Your last paragraph is nearest to our position and the only policy that could work.

Edited by author 29-02-2008 00:24
Are we reluctant to grasp the racial bull by the horn?. I can see the overwhelming concern that E.A is not portrayed as a racist group..what are people afraid to say? Should there be anything to hide?

Biological theories of race have been discredited, though there are always going to be 'average' differences between persons of different genetic blood stock, and us white men are not often top of the form on a particular trait, particularly in the arena or the sportsfield! Some say, even in the bedroom, which is a below the belt remark and defamatory!

However the European character of a pan-european movement does require its members to be European by birth and by culture, and this is an inevitable dimension to any 'national' movement, as would any African, Chinese, etc etc equivalent movement. If this 'dimension' was racist, then the very concept of nation would have to be racist, in fact the concept of race and racism would be racist! No, there has to be cultural 'authenticity'..and this does extent, like it or not, into politics. A European movement chock full of non-europeans would be about as authentic as an Indian Restaurant staffed by White Ulstermen.

Robert is right that a Europe movment would rarely be of interest to migrants i.e. those not born in Europe. In my experience even the children of recent migrants are rarely integrated because their parents hanker for the 'homeland' and they are still taught its language and culture imbibed at mother's knee; it doesn't take Norman Tebbit's Cricket test to prove that those who are born of parents who hail from another continent are torn between two worlds, and I'm afraid this is inevitable. They may be born here (nature) but they are not brought up usually in European culture (nuture). They are often thoroughly unhappy and when they are not actually protesting they are moaning. But is this anything to do with their bloodstock or 'race'? Of course not; this is purely about cultural alienation or acceptance, 'integration' and where people feel their 'spiritual' home is. Is it Europe or is it somewhere else? One does not have to categorise by colour or heritage, people very readily will adopt a stance..they make their own choice of spiritual home early on in their lives.

Twenty or thirty years later, those who have migrant ancestry but are born here of parents also born here are generally thoroughly and doubly integrated ( by nature and by nuture) A dynamic modern Pan-Europa Party should welcome any person of any colour, of any ancestral stock, where by nature and nuture Europe is their only spiritual 'home'. Could anyone sensibly ask for more? . Isn't that right Robert?

Edited by author 28-02-2008 22:05
The front page article of the latest 'European Action' (number 15) is a first-class analysis of the important differences between the stuck-in-the-rut 'racial demon nationalism' of the BNP and the principled stand of the National Europeans in keeping with Oswald Mosley's thinking. This article is an important policy statement and should be read by everybody who cares about where the real threat to European culture comes from. Other excellent articles include Dermont Clark's piece on the way globalisation thrives on the maintenance of world poverty. Agree with it or not, you've got to read it.

Thanks for that, European.

Well done for the latest issue of European Action which hits the nail firmly on the head with regard to the vast differences between the National European creed and the far-right reactionaries. The BUF's pre-war policy of an insulated, self-sufficient British Empire was perfectly viable in the 1930's. When we lost the Empire through brother's war Mosley's post-war Union Movement proposed that we enter a self-contained Union of Europe to restore our greatness. The BNP's anti-European policies would bankrupt Britain and leave us at the mercy of the financiers. Even in the Thirties Mosley stated: 'When we have power there will be no war for we shall make peace with Germany and Italy in a new union of the great nations of Europe'. He was a pioneer way ahead of his time.
European Action is right to say we should attack the government for its open door policy on immigration not the non-white immigrants themselves who are as much victims as we are of the exploitative capitalist system.

Sir Oswald Mosley greets a member of the Associate Movement of UM

Edited by author 28-02-2008 07:29
<<Imperium 239
Would you accept a black person in European Action?>>

I gave you my answer with no intention of being evasive. Your question presents an absurd hypothesis because why would a black person wish to associate with people who are essentially Euro-centric with all that this implies? The hypothesis is so unlikely that the answer you really want would be unreal. We have never had a black person wish to associate with us but if and when he or she does then we will see. I shall certainly not be offensive. Union Movement had an Associate Movement of Union Movement in which non-Europeans were involved.
If you want me to make a racist statement then you are going to be greatly disappointed. Racist views of the Stormfront variety are banned on this forum.
I must ask you to avoid multiple postings. If you wish to add anything then use the edit facility and add to your original posting. You should then await a reply if you need one.

Come Robert, don't be evasive. We're all friends here.

Edited by author 27-02-2008 21:45
<<Imperium 239 27-02-2008 19:46 GMT)
Would you accept a black person in European Action?>>

It is an offence under the Race Relations Act to discriminate on grounds of race, etc.

I am a supporter of Mosley's vision of Syndicalistic worker-ownership of larger enterprises, but the problem with such a system observed by economists who have studied the possibilites of such a system is the lack of larger scale capital investment when a business opportunity presents itself. Can I suggest the pension funds become totally owned by the Guilds and would therefore be at the disposal of our syndical businesses for investment. A fundamentalist free-marketeer may criticise, but I say that such investments certainly couldn't perform any worse for the savers than pension funds have in recent years, that would be impossible.

I am not so sure. The United States is continually upping the ante. The establishment of US missile bases in Poland is sheer provocation. I do not see the Russians attempting another Bay of Pigs situation.
Europe needs to make a positive decision over this. That is, to build closer and more friendly relations with Russia and to detatch itself completely from US foreign policy.
Unfortunately, we are governed by those who embrace US-led globalism.

Vlad Putin seems very much "old school" so he may oblige the wishes of America in a return to the cold war,I fear a stand off over this. The Balkans are still a tinder-box just as in 1914.

Edited by author 27-02-2008 09:40
I believe the American-backed Kosovan declaration of 'independence' is calculated solely to antagonise Russia. The Americans would like a return to the Cold War in order to boost the arms industry. I have always claimed the Americans have been the true terrorist state and the major threat to World peace.