Discussion Forum for Readers and Supporters of European Action

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European Action is the continuation of the struggle started by Mosley's Union Movement. EA produces a bi-monthly paper of the same name.
http://www.europeanaction.com

A very useful forum for networking but equally important mutual support and education. I am sure that it will be a auccess; long overdue and a great service. Thank you.

Thank you, Michael. Hopefully it will serve to draw us all together so that we can share ideas and work towards a common purpose. Early days.

Let us share Mosleys view and stand together in union,and tomorrow we live

Exactly how did Mosley's concept of a United Europe differ from the European Union we have today? I have the feeling that his 'Europe a Nation' meant having a common Foreign, Defence and Economic policy, talking with one voice where it matters. But NOT the EU's standardisation of every aspect of our daily lives which offends national sensitivities.
In other words, have a common policy in those three important areas where unity brings us strength - but leave each region to run its local affairs according to local custom and cultural preference. Right or wrong?

Edited by author 13-01-2008 18:20
You are right, FG.
Part of the Declaration of Venice in 1962 states:
(3) That national parliaments in each member country of Europe a Nation shall have full power over all social and cultural problems, subject only to the overriding power of European Government in finance and its other defined spheres, in particular the duty of economic leadership.

Robert, do you write both sides of the debate yourself?

Do you mean, do I talk to myself? The answer is, no.
This is an open forum and all the others posting so far are not prompted by me. They all read European Action on a regular basis and are therefore familiar with the policy.
This thread is very new and is just warming up.

Had we took notice of Mosley in the early fifties the Eastern Europeans would not be exploited as they are today. Had we not allowed free movement of labour untill our wages come into line, thus not dicthing their own country for the benifit of others and profit.

Edited by author 14-01-2008 09:10
Mosley always advocated the implementation of equal wages throughout Europe with the introduction of a wage/price mechanism. That way, the movement of labour on a large scale would be neither desirable nor necessary.
I see the narrow nationalists in Britain are now attacking our European brothers from the east in a fit of xenophobia. This is the result of not having any constructive policies whatsoever. The 'little Englanders' hate Europe. That, alone, defines their 'nationalism'.
As you say, Eastern Europeans are now exploited as cheap labour for the capitalists. It is the nature of both competitive and monopoly capitalism: low wages equals fatter profits.

I think one has to look at the raison d'etre of the EU; it is capitalist in its being from the European Coal and Steel Communiity through the EEC to the EU today.

Europe a Nation would have the welfare of all the inhabitants of Europe as the first priority, not profits.

Just a quick message to say hi too everyone on the forum. I would just like to ask Robert or anyone else, What Nationalist Partys going now in the U.K are closest to the idea of European Action, and the Friends of Mosley?

All nationalist parties in Britain are anti-Europe. We advocate European unity. In the next issue of European Action there will feature a front page article on why we have nothing in common with right-wing reactionary nationalism. We are National Europeans, not 'Blackshirts', I might add.
The uniform was banned in 1936.

"Reductio ad absurdum" seems to be the motto for nationalism in Britain today from the BNP to the EFP to what? The Rutland National Party?

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The North Minehead by-election was once a favourite among some nationalists. Remember the Monty Python sketch?
British nationalism has never quite arisen above that level of silliness.

Of course, the other big difference between Mosley's Europe and the present EU is that the latter is dedicated to global capitalism and world trade. Whereas Mosley's Europe would have been self-contained, protecting Europe and Europe Overseas from cheap labour competition from the Third World rather than exploiting it for the benefit of a few finacial fat cats. Then the Third World can get on with the only policy that will ensure its escape from poverty: "Third World production for Third World consumption".

For many years I have lived with a problem in our way of life called credit,too which I feel has been an act of delusion in our economy for the last 40 years at least. Are we, as the past and present governments tell us, living in a booming economy? So if credit was removed from us to the same as it was in the fifties, how well off would we be now? What have we achieved in the last 50 years that will benifit our future generations?

Edited by author 15-01-2008 23:45
Doodling thoughts. Might I suggest we base our ambitions and principles on recognising that our general fulfilment and security rests on a foundation of racial pride. This doesn't have national boundaries.
George Lincoln Rockwell summed it up when he said, rightly in my view, 'In the next war the uniform will be the colour of the skin.'
I learned the value of racial adhesion before I learned anything of politics. As a young British seamen we sailed to places far away from Aryana, where scarcely a white face was to be seen.
We would stroll into a bar and often find a small group of whites who had arrived earlier. There was always an instant rapport between us; a recognition and a welcome. It was based on sight, not sound.
Before anyone spoke a greeting we had no idea if they were German or Dutch, South African or French, English perhaps. We might have a clue from other ships anchored. The same might be said of them: they had no idea what nationality we were; but we were kin. It was 'a homecoming'. We gelled. We were soul mates. The politics came later and the politics were far subordinate to instinctive brotherhood.
The people, not the politics of our wonderful continent have shaped world history and civilisation. The men and women whose fruitful loins created it were of our image. That alone is pride-priceless. What an inheritance, simply to be born white.
This makes us Titans among all races. Not superior, not inferior. Just different and satisfyingly so. Titanic. Each of us have it within our small frames - and grasp, the means to become giants of the ages as others have done.
The Third Reich's united Europe ballad 'Von Finnland bis zum Schwarzen Meer' (From Finland to the Black Sea) is now a reality. The European peoples co-exist as never before in three millennia.
Our great continent stretches nearly 4,000 kilometres north south / east west. Its population is over double that of the USA. Today many more people trade in €uros than they do in the once almighty dollar . . . . our cultures are as one yet satisfyingly diverse. This is the moment of re-birth - but you are the mid-wives.
Learn Europe, Love Europe, Embrace Europe. This is the biggest family re-union that has ever taken place. Afterwards we can decide on its administration. We have the child. Let us bring it to maturity so that we - and mankind will benefit, and indeed survive.

Edited by author 16-01-2008 11:00
Racial pride is a biological issue, Michael. We place the emphasis on culture in which the Europeans can claim a common bonding. Culture is of the spirit ... the spirit of the European.
I am pleased you emphasised 'not superior nor inferior' because ideas of racial superiority often lead to the ill-treatment of other races. It is now coming back on white people in American cities, for example, where black crime is terrorising them in the form of racial revenge. Ditto South Africa.
But the racial component does exist and we should view it as part of the great diversity of mankind ... each with its own sense of pride and inner worth. That is all.

Edited by author 16-01-2008 11:41
This an important distinction, I do feel more historical/cultural attachment to a Czech in Prague than to a white American in Peoria who is probably more "biologically" similar to me.

There is Europe Abroad however that I do recognise as being on the same continuum as "Old" Europe; New Zealand being the best example (and not only because my daughter lives there!)

The USA is a different place, not worse nor better, but a different thing; what I do decry as Robert published in the last but one paper is the overweening monopoly onslaught from US popular culture into Europe, my personal beef being the "new history" filmatic rewrites of real events including Saving Private Ryan, The Patriot, Braveheart, U-571,and The Kingdom of Heaven; the mass of people, even in Europe, take this skewed propaganda as true.

George Lincoln Rockwell? Wasn't he one of those who Mosley called 'dwarves posturing in the clothes of dead giants'? I sincerely hope that if there is a next war, the uniforms won't be the colour of our skins. 'European Action' is rightly forthright in its support for the Arabs (brown) against imperial America (white). Did not the Leader say 'Black and White, Unite, Against Left and Right'?

Edited by author 16-01-2008 23:39
Mosley responded thus to the antics of those who signed what they called the Cotswold Agreement in 1962 and who then paraded before the cameras of the Daily Mirror in imitation Nazi uniforms. An impersonation that left them a laughing stock but eventually led to Mosley being banned from Trafalgar Square after this group's indelicate 'Free Britain From Jewish Control' rally. Before that, Mosley had never had any trouble there.
Europe is distinct from America in almost every way apart from the language. In foreign policy, European Action does side with the Arab peoples, including the Palestinians and the people of Iraq. We oppose the Americans wherever they are outside the United States because the Americans are out to murder and plunder wherever they go. The colour of the skin is not a consideration in these matters. It is what is good for Europe (with a defined border) and our immediate allies in the Arab world, in Russia and elsewhere that truly matter.

Don't forget the Europe a Nation blog. Articles are published here: http://europeanaction.blogspot.com/
Comments welcome.

It's a pity Union Movement is no longer active as a pro-European alternative to the anti-Europe BNP. One idea is that European Action supporters could contest local elections as Independent candidates on a positive platform of 'Britain First in Europe a Nation-Stop Immigration-Put Local People First in Jobs,Housing,Education,Health and Social Welfare'. Another idea would be to form local 'Action Teams' to sell European Action newspaper on the streets, in towns and cities throughout Britain. I hope that in the future a new political party can be formed that stands for European Union and against Third World immigration.

I wouldn't like to see my Rockwell quotation taken out of context; separated from the original meaning. Rockwell's remarks simply preceeded the 'Rivers of Blood' comments made later by Rt. Hon. Enoch Powell. He was referring to race war in the United States as a direct consequence of forcing racial integration. The same applies here.
In this respect all those seers (myself included) who predicted racial mayhem have been proved right. Plastering it over with legislation and a myriad of 'initiatives' and 'lessons will be learned' statements will make no difference at all.
Time for the 'ard 'ats again, gentlemen. Many a true word said in jest? Lying in bed last week, I listen to BBC Radio 4's 'Today' programme. There was a discussion on the old and the infirm, those of poor health, being trained (in London) to use their walking sticks as defensive weapons. The skills being taught were based on established practice of sabre fighting. What a sorry mess.

In response to 'european', European Action's main purpose is to revive the idea of a National Party of Europe ... in ALL European countries. That way, we could operate as one with a common policy. We have gone beyond Union Movement, a British organisation promoting European unity, to European Action, a truly European group beyond the old national frontiers.
If anyone wants extra copies of the paper to sell onto or give away to friends, then they need only contact me.
Standing as Independents will serve little purpose. One day we shall have candidates under the National Party of Europe banner.

In his dreadful full-of-faults book 'Deeply Dyed in Black', Graham Macklin only serves one useful purpose. He does draw to attention the enormous amount of time that Mosley spent from 1948 onwards cultivating contacts throughout Europe and Europe Overseas.
This was sometimes misunderstood by UK members as Mosley 'neglecting' Union Movement. But as the last post points out, trying to unite Europe from within the UK clearly isn't enough, we need a National Party for Europe that is Pan European. Anybody who wishes European Action well, and who knows people in Europe who have shown interest in Mosley's ideas in the past, could do worst than send them on their copy of EA - or buy a half dozen extra copies and post them off to Europeans on the continent.

I would wholeheartedly support a revived National Party of Europe. Two of the main arguments of the anti-European BNP-UKIP-Tory gutter press is that Britain would lose its "national sovreignty" and that European Union leads to an "invasion" by millions of Eastern Europeans. We have in fact lost our sovreignty long ago to American-Global Capitalism.By leading Europe in Europe a Nation with common government we would regain our sovreignty not lose it. We would become the head of a Europe of equals not the tail and lap dog of America. The disgraceful xenophobic attacks on Poles and other fellow Europeans must be condemned. As the lower paid areas of Europe are develpoed by government leadership wages will rise throughout Europe, reducing mass migrations within Europe to a trickle. Poles and other Eastern Europeans will naturally prefer to stay at home when they get better rates of pay equal to Western Europeans. There will also be no undercutting within the European market, prices also will be comparable. And the resulting greater purchasing power of the Polish people would mean a still greater European market for British sales. Into the European National system we can invite the White Commonwealth, and the British farmer would have an enlarged market to sell his foodstuffs. Why don't we infiltrate and infleunce the European Movement? www.euromove.org.uk

The European Movement is a cross-party umbrella organisation whose mainstream supporters are globalist. You can 'infiltrate' as an individual but we have a job to do that entails being open and honest. Rather unique in today's politics.
Gordon Brown recently promised a 'global Europe', which is something quite different to Mosley's vision.

A global Europe is a Europe that embraces the system of international trading as opposed to a National Europe that proposes opting out of the international trading system by creating a self-sufficient economic bloc within a united Europe. We can then organise without the vagaries of the money markets and undercutting from low wage economies outside Europe.
As an old Union Movement member, I do not recall the phrase, 'black and white unite against Left and Right' but Mosley was never a racist in the sense that he wanted to put down non-whites. He said they were exploited, whether in their home countries or within ours as immigrants. International capitalism thrives entirely on making profits by keeping down costs ... i.e., wages. This, we oppose.
We all have a degree of small 'c' conservatism in our thinking because it is natural to want to preserve the familiar. It is the greatest sense of security because it aids continuity.

<<Brown can go on about a global Europe but other factors are impacting. Factors such as: (1) Global warming and (2) peak oil. Some say that both these factors will offset each other but the reality is, perhaps I'm wrong, is that it points to the world economy going into self sufficient trading blocs. There is talk that peak oil will eventually see the USA redeveloping its own manufacturing base. The carbon produced in international trade by say a car assembled in France but its parts manufactured in China and elsewhere is excessive. Therefore, the global trend, as well as, being rejected in Europe is also going to suffer from new economic forces impacting on international trade. The ability to conduct international trade is dependent on the flow of cheap energy but equally now it will be increasingly dependent on environmental issues.>>
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I do not see world leaders turning their backs on world trade in the form of international competition. Look how they move money around the world and control economies through the International Monetary Fund, for example. There are always conditions applied to a loan ... and interest, of course. That is the real power in the world and they want it to stay that way.
In international trade, it is always the low wage economies that beat those that try to raise the standard of life through decent wages. That has been done to Britain time and again. It is because we are trapped in this international racket.
Those with an abundance of natural resources in their hands have the greatest advantage and that is what this aggressive military policy of America is all about. Big American companies controlling oil reserves around the globe. They are trying to offset the dangers of oil reserves diminishing. Peak oil, as you call it.
There are countries in Europe that detest this 'monpoly capitalism' ... financial speculation and so on. But Britain, especially the Labour Party, embraces globalism with Brown the bankers' Prime Minister.
All this noise about climate change and global warming is pure window dressing by governments. They are in thrall to the bankers and internationalism and they will only go a little way towards dealing with the environmental problems you mention. Above it all is the power of money.

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Economic crisis ... certainly.

On the subject of global warming, I meant the noise governments make was window dressing to give the impression they mean to do something real. Again, they are in thrall to the money power.

The answer is to insulate yourself from it all. That is the point about Europe a Nation. Why should we allow what happens on the American markets to effect us? And they talk about independence and sovereignty.
The stock market is roulette capitalism.

"Why should we allow what happens in American markets to affect us?"

This is the paradox of democracy in a global context - and highlights one of the important advantages of Mosley's self-contained 'Europe a Nation' idea.

Under the present system, people are encouraged to elect a government to carry out their will. But the government becomes powerless to carry out the will of the people because of things that occur beyond its sphere of control. The current example is the repercussions on the European economy (not just the stock market) caused by sub-prime banking problems in America. Another example is rapidly rising oil prices caused by commodity speculation and shifts in demand.

Europe a Nation would consist of a self-sufficient area containing all its raw materials, manufacturing facilities, energy sources, food production and banking/credit services. European govenment would have control over all these resources - nobody in the world could hold us to ransom. In this way, a National Party of Europe in government would prevent events on the other side of the world from undermining our economic stability and growth.

Oswald Mosley was a technocrat who wanted to make things work. What he saw most clearly were very obvious facts. FG highlights this when he exposes the sham of democracy in a world influenced by the shock waves of external factors out of the control of governments.
Government of the people is only a reality when that government actually controls and leads the economy.
FG encapsulates the argument perfectly.

Edited by author 22-01-2008 09:06
In 1979, I published an article entitled 'From Lisbon to Vladivostok' (it is on the European Action website) anticipating the collapse of the communist system and suggesting that Russia should become part of our economic bloc.
This is in place of Europe/Africa as proposed by Mosley. White Southern Africa would have been brought into the equation as a 'bread basket'. That is no more, so we need to revise the geopolitics.
Anything we need in terms of extra goods and resources would be negotiated with a friendly neighbouring economic bloc but not as rivals in international competition. That is the big difference.
Jean Thiriart, the Belgian friend of Mosley, wrote the title of a book: '... - an Empire of 300 Million'. The difference with this empire is that we would not be walking all over someone else's land.

O.M. proposed European Union in the article 'The World Alternative' in the German press in 1936, years before Churchill the warmonger and ally of the mass murderer Stalin formed the 'anti-Communist' European Movement after the European Civil War.
Roman Catholic Cardinal Francis George has asked Jews to remove passages from the Talmud which call Jesus Christ a 'bastard' in return for Catholics changing their traditional missal to be less 'insulting' to the Jewish community. The revival of the traditional Tridentine Mass by Pope Benedict has been received by liberals with a chorus of accusations against the Catholic Church that it is 'anti-Semitic'.

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'Bastard' is only one of the many derogatory terms applied to Christ in the Talmud. Possibly, the least offensive. 'Heresy' is another accusation.
I would recommend 'Jesus in the Talmud' by Peter Schaefer - published by Princeton University Press, 2007.
I very much doubt that the current publishers of the Talmud have any intention of removing the offending passages.
Anti-Semitism has a long and varied history; quite often the term is applied to the most benign criticism. But we should not get too bogged down on the subject because there are more pressing matters to be getting on with.

Russia is a European country with a European culture and it is in Europe's interests that Russia, with all her vast resources, should be part of a reformed United Europe. Perhaps that day would come sooner if we spent more time spelling out what the advantages to Russia would be - rather than souring the relationship because some Russian faction decided to punish one of their own whom they saw as a traitor of the worst kind. When you betray your country (even to the West) you can't escape retribution by changing your nationality (as William Joyce also found out 60 years ago).

Also, let us not forget Europe Overseas. Southern Africa is now lost but self-sufficiency could still be almost complete if we could bring about a reorientation of thinking in Canada, Australasia and the European nations of South America (let's remember that Mosley took the trouble to go on a personal visit to South America in 1950 with this in mind).

Despite the claims of our opponents Mosley was not anti-Semitic. The policy of the British Union of Fascists and Union Movement was, 'We do not attack the Jews because they are Jews. We defend ourselves against them because of what they do'. Mosley's first wife Cynthia Curzon was not Jewish, this was a lie put about by Arnold Leese and the Jewish Press.Her grandfather Levi Leiter was actually a Dutch Protestant.
Jewish Businessman David Abrahams in an interview with the 'Jewish Chronicle' said he donated cash secretly to the Labour Party to avoid accusations of being part of a "Jewish conspiracy". Police are probing £663,975 given to Labour by Mr Abrahams illegally through proxies. There is also an investigation into the £100,000+ donated to Labour's Work and Pensions Chief Peter Hain, which he failed to declare given by Willie Nagel and Isaac Kaye both Jews.

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Oscar Wilson Kennady,
Mosley was a prolific writer, especially in the Union Movement days, and those who supported him were well armed with the details of his political philosophy ... so much so that many of us virtually knew his thoughts as well. Mosley was consistent throughout his life. For that, we knew him well.
There is nothing delusional or insane about that.
Thousands went through the ranks and most gave their lives completely to an idea that inspired self-sacrifice. It was because Mosley had a message he could put across so convincingly that he inspired this confidence in his followers. We all shared that.
We are the voice of those who come after Mosley, well armed with the details of his political philosophy, and who can articulate well without a ouijah board.
You are right to raise these issues here ... but if some posters speak on behalf of Mosley it is because he can no longer answer for himself. They are also so acquainted with his political career and his writings that they are competent enough to challenge the misrepresentations from his opponents.
This is not impersonating the great man nor do they pretend to be reincarnations. No more than a Christian is a reincarnation of Christ ... or a Muslim is a reincarnation of Mohammed.

OWK: "I'm raising this because almost anyone can hijack the imagery of a former epoch and dress it up as their own."

As with John Tyndall, Martin Webster and Colin Jordan in the days of the NSM in Princedale Road, Notting Hill. John Bean said he was the British Dr Goebbels. I agree with you.

I shall respond to post 49 when I have time later.

One of those who Mosley called 'dwarves posturing in the clothes of dead giants'

In contrast, a real leader - British and European

Mosley was a good man. He tried to stop the brother's war. He brought the atrocities of the Black and Tans against the Irish people to an end. He wrote the ground breaking pamphlet 'Ireland's Right to Unite- when entering European Union'. There are three choices for Northern Ireland which could be decided in a referendum. 1. A United Ireland 2. An Ulster Nation independent of Westminster and Dublin 3. Maintenance of Northern Ireland as a part of the United Kingdom.
I recommend the German pro-Mosley monthly 'Nation Europa'. www.nationeuropa.de
Also a visit to the Newspaper Archive Library in Colindale north London. They have original copies of 'Action', 'Blackshirt', 'Union' for reading or photocopying.

OWK,
To say there is nothing new under the sun is to ignore innovation and the possibilities for renewal. Every synthesis is new by the fact that it transcends as well as reconciles.
Here, there are no methods for determining how the NPE could triumph. We only know that we possess the means and will for propagating the idea or 'The Policy', as we called it. Mosley called for a government of National Unity, crossing all parties and crossing the political spectrum of Left and Right.
When you refer to "becoming the main party of the Right" you miss the fundamental point of Mosley's politics. He described himself as being of the hard centre as opposed to the soft centre ... but he was certainly not a man of the Right.
I found the information from Union girl to be very useful, especially the Newspaper Library in Colindale.

The 'European National Front' is an attempt to build a Pan-European Nationalist alliance. What do you think about this organisation?

The European National Front is an umbrella association of what are far-Right nationalistic parties in Europe that have one thing in common - they are all opposed to full European integration. Some of them are Third Way or Third Positionist.
The title is deceptive and should not be mistaken for the ideas of Europe a Nation.
Alliances are one thing ...but we advocate the National European movement being a single entity above and beyond narrow nationalism.
Do they drop their nationalistic titles in favour of a single European identity? No, they do not because they are not integrationist. At the Conference of Venice in 1962, it was agreed that all the parties involved would drop all their national titles for one common organisation for ALL Europeans - the National Party of Europe.

I looked at the ENF and it does seem to be a continuation of Fiore's ITP project.

There is a fundamental point the Robert makes, any NPE "has" to be pan European in organisation and membership, the practicalities notwithstanding.

So, what now?

To follow my last; and what can I do?

You can propagate the ideas of Europe a Nation as an individual or you can form a group or cell. Let him lead who can.

Edited by author 25-01-2008 08:59
Ha! Ha! Ha! Well put, OWK. I have not played chess for years, mainly through lack of another regular player. But you are right ... caution is the best policy.
First of all, it is important to understand the Policy and to grasp the meaning of Mosley's Europe a Nation ... to rid ourselves of all this 'right wing' nonsense and appreciate that our National Europe is like nothing before it.
We need to grasp the economic necessity and we need to adopt a creed based on what it means to be European.
That is one reason I started publishing the paper, European Action, so that we had a means of getting our ideas across. It is doing very well. Then there is this forum where several people are engaging with some considerable enthusiasm. We are all thinking. That is most important if we mean to get on together.
Subscribers to the paper come from the United States (Euro-centric), from most regions of Britain, continental countries and as far as the old Yugoslavia. We are all brothers (and sisters) in our purpose.
There will be no opportunists, as with the Old Parties and the current 'leadership' of the BNP. I shall ensure that. No tinpot dictators and no backroom plotting with pointless elections of committees and cabals.
We begin as a free association and from there .... we SHALL tread carefully.

Jim, the Identity-Tradition-Sovreignty group of so-called 'Euronationalist' parties from various European countries is another Pan-European organisation. They have several MEP's in the European Parliament. The League of St George claims to promote European Nationalism in the Mosley tradition and was founded by UM members. Blood and Honour-Rock Against Communism is a Pan-European Youth organisation.
The Henry Williamson Society is dedicated to the life and work of the famous author of Tarka the Otter and member of the BUF and UM. It is non-political. Jeffrey Hamm was a member. www.henrywilliamson.org
I like the idea of forming local groups to support European Action.

european is right to refer to 'so-called Euronationalist' parties under the Identity-Tradition-Sovereignty group within the European Parliament because they are all opposed to true European unity. The 'Sovereignty' bit should give it away. The term Euro-nationalist is totally misleading here, as with 'Euro-communist'. The parties in the ITS group are all narrow nationalistic (Eurosceptic) and on that score they find common ground.
The League of St George is no longer the group founded by UM members (principally Mike Griffin, Robin Rushton and Keith Thompson) but is now run by John Harrison and Brian White, both non-former UM members. It was reformed in the early 1990s. It mixes Mosley ideas with far-right racial nationalism. A complete contradiction.
When you say a group is pan-European it usually means they are part of a European network but without a combined unitary identity. They are separate components.
I have heard the BNP refer to 'European nationalists' but they mean separate nationalist parties within Europe. They do not mean National Europeans, which is something quite different altogether.
You might say this is all semantics but we need to clarify terminology or else we sow confusion.

Thanks for the reply and clarification Robert.
On another topic what is your view of 'Social Credit' as formulated by Scottish engineer Major C.H. Douglas? W.K.A.J. Chambers-Hunter wrote a BUF booklet called 'British Union and Social Credit'. Ezra Pound the poet was another social crediter and contributor to 'Fascist Quarterly'. Social credit could be adopted for all Europe with National European government issuing a citizen's income to all European Citizens over and above wages. This would be Social Justice to eliminate poverty throughout our country of Europe. It would bring usury and the money power of the financiers and international bankers to an end.

POLITICS ASIDE:

Putting political mechanics aside for a moment may I remind everyone that ‘The Great Land of Europe’ is increasingly shrugging off American influence?
There is now a non-political identity-undercurrent recognising its assets, its strength, and potential as it experiences embryonic re-birth. It is gathering speed.
I would suggest too that the origins of National Socialism and Fascism can be found in nature and national appreciation societies; some of which we would dismiss as ‘tree-huggers’. This love of land and culture metamorphosed into politics in order that the land and culture be protected and strengthened.
We are familiar with the organised will of the people as in rallies, speeches, and political events. What mustn’t be forgotten is that these iceberg tips were kept afloat by the mass beneath; love of one’s race and nation and preparedness to maintain it.
Even today, after two disastrous civil wars that laid waste our continent and decimated its peoples, not to mention the subsequent American invasion of the sub-culturists and race destroyers (race mixers), Europe is none politically flexing its muscles. Its population is more than double America’s. The once almighty dollar is a rupee when set against the strength and usage of the €uro.
Politically we are seeing dramatic self-expression throughout our great land. This is being resisted by the old order but the tilt is in favour of European racial-nationalism.
Soviet Communism collapsed; Americanism is evaporating. Throughout the world America is second only to Israel in terms of international revulsion. How can such a putrefying system survive? It cannot.
From Estonia to the Urals, Finland to Switzerland, Ukraine to France; pan-Europeanism is once again de rigueur. Surely a significant part of our agenda should be to encourage the young to learn, love and nurture their racial and cultural inheritance.
Last evening I exulted in Andre Rieu’s ‘The Homecoming’; a DVD live recording of what can only be described as a European song and dance potpourri staged at Maastricht Square. A Nuremberg Rally sized musical extravaganza of European jollity and talent.
Enjoying the spectacle reinforced the love I have of my continent, my people. Every European nationality was there, but I couldn’t tell them apart. Google it. Get a copy. Love Europe; love your people. It was a change from my usual political fare and I am the better for it . . . . it was every bit as exhilarating. It isn’t politics – but it is what holds politics up. Don’t dismiss this awesome power. It is gathering speed and strength.

Oscar Wilson Kennedy, you are spot on about Churchill. He prattled on about fighting for 'democracy' yet had 800 members of Mosley's British Union imprisoned under the anti-democratic Regulation 18b without charge or trial. He once wrote that Mussolini and Hitler were the only men who could rule Italy and Germany successfully. Towards the end of the war Germany and Mussolini's Salo Republic in northern Italy were advocating a United Europe. Germany had several volunteer legions of different European nationalities including the Russian National Liberation Army under General Vlasov and Bosnian and Albanian Moslem units. They also had Indian and Arab volunteers.
Michael, Mosley said after the war that we had moved beyond fascism into the new creed of Europeanism and European Socialism. Fascism and National Socialism failed because they were too nationalistic leading to brother's war between related Europeans.
Flash Gordon, yes the Russians are White European Slavs and should be invited to join the National Party of Europe and Europe a Nation.
I recommend the book 'Christmas Truce' by Malcolm Brown and Shirley Seaton which recalls the astounding events of Christmas 1914 when British and German troops ceased fighting each other, and played football in a spirit of European comradeship.

Apologies, I should of course written your surname as Kennady not Kennedy!
I recommend the article 'Nietzsche and Christ' by Mosley, in which he attempts a synthesis between Nietzsche's philosophy and Christianity, available on www.oswaldmosley.com Mosley wrote in 'The Doctrine of Higher Forms' that it was logical to believe in God as Creator of the complex Universe and, 'You find in Fascism taken from Christianity the immense vision of service and self-sacrifice in the cause of your country'.

A good idea OWK. When branches and groups of the NPE can be organised throughout the white continent of Europe, local organisations in each country could have their own websites and publications in their own languages.

Edited by author 26-01-2008 15:29
Learn to walk before you can run, european. You are getting carried away with 'organisation', as usual. You have done this before in the past with membership cards and so forth.
European Action will not have an open membership because that invites infiltration and agents provocateur. This forum was set up to to discuss the ideas of Oswald Mosley and his principal ideal of Europe a Nation.
It is our main aim ... to educate and inspire. The paper serves as the flagship for this. It will be the subscribers who shall form the nucleus of the political vanguard.
You need patience and resilience ... not this imitation of the other parties. Never mind how the the NF and the BNP conduct their affairs with branches, etc. It is their greatest weakness and it invites any old rubbish.
We have subscribers in France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Sweden, the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Canada, the USA and the former Yugoslavia. Even a subscriber in the Central African Republic. All of them communicate in English, often through e-mail. If they wish, they can form their own language service.
We are already a European organisation.

Edited by author 26-01-2008 16:25
Thank you for that, OWK.
I have L&H Power Translator software: http://www.bmsoftware.co.uk/powertranslator7.htm

There has never been a greater need for European unity. But Britain, France and Germany have Atlanticist governments and Italy is set to join them. The unnecessary and divisive row with Russia is not in our interests. We should strengthen our relationship with Russia and invite them to participate in the European project. America has squandered her fortune trying to take over the world. The European Union is emerging as an economic superpower as the American economy slides into recession. All we need is a representative European government. Brown, Sarkozy, Merkel and Berlusconi will not be there forever. Our task must be to encourage European consciousness at every level.

Well put, Bill.

There was a news item on BBC News 24 late last night. It read 'Four Far Right European parties have come together to form a pan-European movement called the Patriotic Party'. I await further details but am I excited?
Unfortunately these four parties are highly unlikely to be advocating a National European state along the lines that Oswald Mosley described. Otherwise we would have heard about it.

I agree strongly that membership and branches and fighting elections should not be 'European Action's' brief. I also agree that when EA reaches a certain scale of influence, the forces of reaction will move against it and its principle supporters as we have seen so often before in the land of the free. Sometimes I find myself thinking about a political 'movement' that exists only on the Internet, propagates itself on the internet, recruits support on the Internet and protects itself through discipline enforced over the Internet. It is after all the easiest method of communication and far more difficult to intimidate 'activists'. A political 'movement' that exists only on the Internet may be worth a moment's thought.

<<There was a news item on BBC News 24 late last night. It read 'Four Far Right European parties have come together to form a pan-European movement called the Patriotic Party'. I await further details but am I excited?
Unfortunately these four parties are highly unlikely to be advocating a National European state along the lines that Oswald Mosley described. Otherwise we would have heard about it.>>

Eurosceptics unite! They are anti-Europe parties getting together to qualify for a big cash hand-out. The BNP's Nick Griffin dreams of such a gravy train.

... and your further comments, FG, are exactly on the lines that I would advocate. This is a new era of mass communication and we should master it. The days of flags, marches and banging drums are over. OM would have loved the new opportunities just as he was mastering TV appearances before he died in 1980.
OWK draws parallels with the Chartist movement, etc. You are on the ball there. Good propaganda is essential.

Edited by author 26-01-2008 19:16
OWK, you are mistaken with this Euro-American thing. There are Europeans and there are Americans. There may be Americans of European descent but their immediate ancestors cut off their ties with 'old Europe'. The distinctions are purely cultural and it is culture that is above race and not the other way round. If that is what you mean by 'cousins'.
Go to my Europe a Nation blog and read the article entitled, 'Our Heritage is Under Threat from America'.
http://europeanaction.blogspot.com/
Sean Jobst of Alabama writes again in European Action for the next issue. He writes on the same theme.
We are not just opposed to American foreign policy but we also resist American cultural imperialism. This was also the position of the late Jean Thiriart.

America has only got involved to its own advantage. It has never been a true friend. The history of the Twentieth Century bears witness.
Ever since the Second World War, Britain has been subservient and led on with nonsense about a 'special relationship'. This has also been the source of friction between Britain and the rest of Europe.
This is not just a matter of economics. Try to get your head above that. It is an almighty contest for hegemony and Europe must be a super state in the form of fortress Europe. We want to insulate ourselves from the old internationalism now posing as 'globalism'.
The culture of Europe is for Europe alone. It is not a commodity you can re-brand and sell. Mussolini once said that fascism was not for export. It is the same for our National Europe.
Our natural ally is Russia ... which we want to embrace in brotherhood. It is not being adversorial to say that Americans can no longer play a role in Europe. It is like the earlier anti-colonialists whose slogan was, "Yankee go home!". That is all we are saying. Get out of Iraq, get out of Afghanistan and get out of Europe. Back to your melting pot where the people at the bottom get burned and the scum rises to the top.
I suspect, OWK, that you are a secret globalist. You must convince me otherwise if I am wrong.

Tell me, OWK, are you American? Yes or no.

I am not hostile to Americans and I would like Europe to have friendly contact with the USA. But the military-industrial combine that controls Washington is committed to world domination. No state can have normal diplomatic relations with a regime that does not hesitate to invade, bomb or starve to death its perceived enemies. Bill Clinton bombed Serbia to ingratiate himself with Saudi Arabia, one of their best military customers. George Bush spent billions of dollars destroying Iraq but he raised even more money for the armaments industry. The American government bankrolls Israel’s genocide in Palestine and supports terrorist groups in Sudan and Somalia. There is no part of the world where America is not interfering. If they started to mind their own business they would win a lot more friends.

Edited by author 26-01-2008 21:00
We are hostile to what America stands for and not just for what it does. We have American supporters of European Action and they hate their goverment. American aspirations will always be 'America first' and the rest of the world must be 'Americanised' in order that it consists of obedient vassals of the world's only super power.
And, of course, it is not so simple as to blame George W. Bush for it all. It takes more than him to create this monstrous obscenity called the American Empire. A lot more are involved and they are called the American people. An American need only open his mouth and speak and there you have the personification of that ignorant arrogance that understands nothing of the rest of the world ... of other cultures and other belief systems. It is this constant interfering, of wanting to give others the questionable benefits of the 'Merkan way of life' with its capitalistic greed and gluttony and all the Hollywood pap as a substitute for true culture.
They are incapable of minding their own business.

I have just seen your most recent post, OWK. You have answered my question, albeit indirectly.

OWK, different people have different reasons for anonymity and, of course, that is their business. Perhaps they are shy or they are on the run. I prefer to use my own name.
People use these weird IDs all over the Internet but I really do not see the point. Forums are full of them. Why?
I can not form conclusions on you because I do not know who you are. You have said nothing about yourself. I know most others posting here. So there is no problem there re the Web.
You say tomayto and I say tomarto ... but let's not call the whole thing off.
You have provided valuable insights and the opportunity for lively discussion. I appreciate that.
You should have told me you are a Merkan. We could have dispensed with the silly guessing game and got down to the nitty-gritty earlier.

We wish the American people well but they can never be part of United Europe or Europe Overseas.

Investigation indicates that the new 'Patriot Party'of Pan-Europeanism incudes the French Front National, the Austrian Freedom Party, a Romanian party and someone else. Their common ground is resistance to Arab immigration into Europe! As Oswald Mosley sid, we should always be courteous to guests in our country. Demonising Islam and the Arab people is most obviously playing into the hands of the United States and Israel. Why do people who should know better fall for the old trick every time?

Right now, Israel and America are attempting to starve the Palestinians of Gaza into servility by blockading supplies of food, water and medicines. Punishing the whole community for what the Freedom Fighters are doing. What absolute bastards! I say again that if a major world war erupts it will be directly traceable to the West's neglect, to put it mildly, of the people of the Palestine. Let Europe a Nation transfer its special relationship to our Islamic and Arabic neighbours and cut our ties with the Americans with whom we have nothing in common but language.

The Islamic people will come into their own when a leader arises who reminds them of the One Nation concept of the Holy Quaran: whoever attacks one small part attacks the whole. Perhaps it will take a great leader to do this. If they were united, the Arab nations would be an irresitable force in the Middle East. Instead, Housbalah fights Hammas who fights Christian Falangists in the Lebanon. And Al Fatah sells out to the Israelis for the trappings of power. All that is for the Arabs to sort out in their own time. The old nationalist parties of Europe (and the new Pan-European 'Patriotic Party')show their limitations when they sell out for a bit of cheap vote-gaining Islamophobia.

Edited by author 27-01-2008 04:22
Oscar Wilson Kennady is dishonest. He can not even bring himself around to stating he is an American but persists in this sham of being 'European overseas'. Even his name is bogus. All true Europeans are of this continent and not of some ghost of a global Europeanism cast around the world. He performs the role of the intruder no less than anything else that is foreign. For Americans are foreigners despite the current Pax Americana that claims possession of anything they fancy. There are no 'Euro-Americans' because such a hybrid runs against the concept of the National European. I am a European as well as being British but I do not claim to be American European because one day I might fancy crossing the pond. I have no connections with the United States (any relatives are now lost forever) and so why should we allow a Yank to lay claim to a link here? None exists, OWK, because it is a fantasy in your mind ... an aberration of the Pax Americana.
We wish to be independent of America in all its forms. That was the policy of Oswald Mosley. In years gone by, it was the creation of a Third Force, independent of both America and Russia. That was in the days of the Soviet Union. Now, Russia is historically part of the European family while America remains an uprooted barbarism still. In fact, it is the only true rogue state.
OWK, we do not share your contempt or fear of Islam. Mosley regarded the Islamic people as Europe's natural allies. He stated this on many occasions. They were as much against communism as we were ... and now, today, we all have American imperialism to deal with.
OWK, you are pushing an idea of Europe counter to our Europe a Nation. It is a Europe tied to the United States in a subservient role because there could never be a relationship based on equality. In fact, I would say you are subverting our ideas ... or attempting to do so.
OWK, you can not speak for the European peoples because you are an American. This is the sort of thing David Duke, former Ku Klux Klansman and convicted fraudster, has been doing, hopping around the globe and recently sticking his nose into Eastern Europe with his 'European American' pretence. He is a Yank and possibly a CIA operative. He belongs back in the United States with his firey cross and his white robes.
You make passing references to Zionism and Israel but they are strangely muted ... while you launch into a scare-mongering 'clash of civilisations' type of Islamophobia. But the Europeans are not saying Europe for the Europeans. They are withdrawing into the ghetto mentality of their own national enclaves, as divided as ever. This is not good.
We in European Action have our own political philosophy, our own tradition and roots. They are not yours, OWK, and they never will be.
When you write of "the mass Islamic immigration into Europe is diluting European culture" then stop to think that you Americans have been doing that for more than half a century.
Your anti-Islamic position is rejected because we recognise it for what it truly is. Make no mistake, the source of all the problems around the globe stem from Israel and its milch cow, the United States. It is the Palestinian problem that is at the core of it all and until the Palestinians are given their dignity in the form of their homeland returned to them, then the struggle for liberation continues.
I must say in conclusion that I thought Flash Gordon's post (100) was excellently worded and reasoned. My comrade's understanding of the Arab situation is suitably sympathetic and in tune with European Action policy.
Read the last line of our Statement of Policy, OWK. It is up on the website.

Edited by author 27-01-2008 14:33
OWK, your last posting was far too long. Your attacks upon the Islamic religion are unacceptable and I must ask you to refrain from what could amount to incitement to religious hatred. I concur with Flash Gordon that we treat guests with respect and accord them all the dignity they deserve. We believe in freedom of religious expression and that includes Muslims. I am not quite sure about this medical metaphor of 'feeling the pulse'. Individuals each have a pulse ... not an entire people. We are not populists.
As the moderator I must remind you that this is a topic for other than your own ideas and was set up originally for supporters of European Action. I am reluctant to do so but I may have to revert to having correspondents register before posting here. As it is, the present set-up allows easy access without such formality.
You have been warned.

Through my work I come into contact with people of all races in Britain. The majority of them treat others with respect. I've noticed in particular that young Islamic people treat me with consideration because of my age. This is what they have been taught. The very few who are genuine trouble makers should of course be dealt with severely.

What OWK does not understand is that National Europeans can work with people of other races to bring about the return of most to their ancestral homelands - this would demonstratably be in their best interests as well as ours. When peace returns to the Middle East and India emerges as a prosperous economy, the obstacles to returning to ancestoral homelands will be removed. Until then I believe Europe should adopt a policy of Zero Immigration which would apply especially to asylum seekers.

These latter need to stay in their countries and fight for change against oppressive regimes like Lech Welenska did in Poland and Harval did in Czechoslovakia etc. Would those two countries have liberated themselves from foreign occupation if those two individuals had run away from their problems and become Yellow Cab drivers in New York? Of course, some who stay and fight will die but history is made by heroes who are willing to risk all so that their fellow countrymen can live in freedom. Those not so brave should still stay and help in covert ways.

Edited by author 27-01-2008 16:59
Well the posting has accelerated in the last couple of days!

Reading through the posts below maybe I can make a few points.

I emailed Robert once about the reality of Islam to me where I live in England (you can't get more direct than that); I have the only mosque on this island about 25 yards from my house. I would rather have the polite, quiet to and fro from the Muslims at night during ramadan, than the nightly offence of drunken foul mouthed vandalistic "Chav" behaviour of our own "British" young men (often accompanied by their females (un)dressed as whores.) as they vomit and shriek their way home from a "Good night out".

Now where does this come from? The muslim's gentlemanly behaviour is from the culture and tradition of their faith; our own youth's behaviour is from American media multinationals of culturaly degenerate gangsta rap, and mindlessly violent film, TV and video games, pushed to make a fast buck.

I know what I choose to prefer... And I say this as an Old Calendar Greek Orthodox Christian.

I have Christian Palestinian and Egyptian friends and the US led attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan (on behalf of Israel of course) have, irony of ironies, led to the expulsion of these ancient Christians from their ancestral homes, most of Iraq's Christians are being looked after by Syria now (That other Baathist axis of evil - What *have* the Yanks got against s