The BNP on the Rocks as the Anti-Europeans Scrap Among Themselves

Edited by author 05-03-2008 14:35
Are not UKIP the BNP in Tweeds? Or looking at the UKIP leadership maybe wearing correspondent shoes...

Edited by author 05-03-2008 07:33
European Action supports the European Union and a single currency. The EU is not exactly the National Europe we envisage for all Europeans but it is the beginning of something that resembles true co-operation on the political and economic level.
The EU, at present, is a Globalist Europe. We wish to reform it and make it a National Europe, free and independent of the international trading system. In other words, a Europe united for its own people within an area large enough to create its own home market for the goods it produces.
An independent and self-sufficient Europe would not need to exchange currencies. The banking system would be contained within the self-sufficient European area and would serve the interests of Europeans only.
As for the BNP's opposition to European union, I would stress here that we, as NATIONAL EUROPEANS, were never far-right reactionary nationalists, as the headline on the front page of European Action No 15 emphasises.
They think that being anti-Europe is a good card to play when it comes to elections (perhaps stealing ground from under UKIP) but it is fast becoming a view that is regarded as out of date, out of step and out of tune with realistic contemporary thinking ... especially among the more intelligent and informed young.

Does European Action support Britain's membership of the European Union (EU) and the Euro single currency while the BNP is against? Most Britons want to stay in Europe, opinion on the Euro is more evenly divided. Membership of the Euro would make trade and travel easier removing the need for different exchange rates.

Hackney 1963. UM supporters with Tony directly in the centre with black hair.

Tony Hartigan, a 'Teddy Boy' supporter of Union Movement in the early 1960s, was also of Gypsy stock. I have a photo somewhere.

I agree that the rights of minorities should be protected in Europe including Gypsies. Petulengro the famous BBC Romany Gypsy was a supporter of the British Union and advertised his herbal remedies in 'Action'.

Edited by author 29-02-2008 10:36
Turkey became a secular state under the rule of Kemal Ataturk. He abolished the veil, the fez and had Turkey adopt Roman script.
I can not see anyone interfering with the essence of the Hadith, though. They were, after all, the collected inspired sayings of the Prophet Muhammed.
Discussion and interpretation has a long tradition in Islam. So why the need for a 'reformation'? The Potestant Reformation in Europe had more to do with abuses by the Vatican ... sales of indulgences, etc. Islam has nothing like that.
To traditional Muslims, this is 'American' Islam and dismissed as a watering down in order to appease Washington.

There is an interesting news item from Turkey regarding a possible "reformation" of the Muslim Haddith http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7264903.stm

Edited by author 29-02-2008 07:09
I understand everything you say, Hermes, and I shall not accuse you of Aryan mysticism. Some of it is more like Nordicism, the race-memory of Iceland and Scandinavia. But Europe is more than that because there is also Southern Europe and those territories to the East ... as diverse as any difference between any sub-cultures. But we come together as Europeans.
We subscribe to the principle of religious toleration and this includes Islam. As you point out, it is but one of three Abrahamic traditions but no more alien than the others. Personally, I believe in one almighty, universal God but you are free to practice paganism which is what polytheism is. They are acts of faith and not open to dissection or debate. An act of faith is above reason and rationality.
To say that everything European is solely the creation and product of a determined geographical area is also misleading. We must acknowledge the contribution of forces from without which, in earlier times, encroached on Europe and left a lasting beneficent mark.

I am surprised Robert that you can be so enamoured of the middle east. I have a high respect for many of the personal morals of muslims, their fasting, and their family and community pride, but your Islamophilia is IMHO rather..er..surprising.
Of course we should stay on good terms with our muslim neighbours, but you must be aware Robert that while there is this little political movement here estolling the merits of a united Europe, we mirror strong movements in muslim countries seeking the restoration of the Caliphate and a pan-islamic federation. And a restored Caliphate is just as likely as the formation of the European Nation as a political reality. And if the muslim Middle East unites? Fine perhaps, until they want the return of parts of Spain and perhaps a sizeable chunk of the Balkans: in Islamic doctrine, once land has belonged to Allah, it can never be given up.

So, I say again, we should be very circumspect with our muslim neighbours..we can't I'm afraid trust them to be always on our side.

I consider part of the genius of Europe is its embracing of secularism and enlightenment, while there are many populist Islamic movements that would have their people floundering in medieval ignorance. I look forward to the day Islamic countries have their own Enlightenment, but in the interim we shall have to wait and see.
 I am afraid that part of my historical European identity is to insist our culture, is, by and large, superior economically, technically, socio-politically superior to that generally produced by Islam in the last five hundred years - for we are living in Islam's dark ages are we not? Can we not agree that the European project is to be greatly preferred to a culture dominated by absolute monarchs, clerics, religious police and public calls to prayer? We got rid of the dominance of the church for good reason, and I can't imagine any European who is heir to all our brothers have fought for, suggest that Islam is a 'good thing' to be embraced with open arms. No, lets not discriminate, but lets be very clear that the European project and in particular the Saudi type of Islam are fundamentally philosophically, metaphysically incompatible whatever the geopolitics or realpolitiks of the situation. Yes, we don't have to be at war and we can attain a deep measure of respect for each other's civillisations but we will never be kindred spirits. Heres then my paean...

For me the European spirit is forged in the fire and ice, in the Northern forests, the verdant plains watered by great rivers sprung from snow capped mountains, a Europe of underpredictable weather and climate, and a definite cycle of nature that tends if anything to a polytheistic mindset, democracy and collective archetypes that promote a curious rugged individualism.

A very different spirit is forged in the dry and severe desert, the crowded oasis and the bazaar, parched under a merciless sun, which like their rulers and gods are absolute and unchanging,and who control men's fate completely. It was in the desert that Judaism, Christianity and Islam were born...these religions are blood brothers, but they are not really, truly European, which is why, in the end, we cast these faiths off.
 Now, don't you dare accuse me of Aryan pseudomysticism..this is about Europe's soul. I believed O.M knew a thing or two about that.

Edited by author 28-02-2008 17:03
To encapsulate your last posting, twenty pygmies do not make a giant.
In Europe a Nation, all minorities, including gypsies, will be protected.

The Identity-Tradition-Sovereignty group of petty 'Nationalists' in the European Parliament, which the BNP wanted to join has collapsed, after the Romanian party resigned in protest at anti-Romanian xenophobic statements by other members. The Romanians pointed out that Romanian Europeans and Gypsies are different. The ITS's British member, ex-UKIP MEP Ashley Mote was convicted for fraud. The European National Front of German, Italian, Spainish, French, Dutch, Polish and Romanian parties is still active.
Only a National Party of Europe can reconcile the nationalisms and patriotisms within Europe, in the higher European Nationalism and Socialism of Europe a Nation, promoting respect and comradeship between kindred Europeans while preserving our individual national identities at the same time.

'Europe a Nation' is the creation of a self-sufficient system within a geographic area that is culturally and historically Europe. The purpose of self-sufficiency is to insulate ourselves from international trade and then create a home market for the consumption of what we produce. It is an end to free trade or what was called laissez faire economics.
We ally ourselves to our natural friends. It is only common sense that those allies should be near to us geographically ... in fact, our immediate neighbours. These would be the Muslim/Arab countries and Russia. In fact, much of Russia is historically and culturally European.
Africa was favoured by Oswald Mosley in his Europe/Africa when Southern Africa was under white rule.
You are right. Africa today should be befriended but Africa would need to create its own area for economic self-sufficiency. An African Union. That would not prevent us negotiating for anything extra we need ... BUT NOT IN INTERNATIONAL FREE TRADE. That is the problem at the moment where low wage economies are under-cutting those who try to maintain a high standard of living for their people.
I disagree with your remarks re Saudi Arabia. I have several Saudi friends and it is their religious obligations that make them decent people. Sharia Law is for Muslim people only and works for them. Outsiders have no moral right to interfere.

Edited by author 27-02-2008 21:37
I agree that any lasting peace will have to involve a 'one state' solution for Palestine, with justice for the Palestinian people - and security for the jewish people currently living in Israel. They are just a little bit paranoid after the Holocaust of course. (I hope folks are not going to deny the holocaust happened, though I'd agree that other ethnic groups suffered genocide - and the palestians a 'nationcide' - and don't get anywhere near the same publicity, special days or memorials)


There are unfortunately plenty of people who have their own agendas for not wanting peace in the middle east, no doubt including some neo-con Americans and of course the mad eyed zionist groups that are supported also by a huge constituency of American Evangelicals. Its not the protocols of the Elders of Zion we want to worry about though, more the prophecies of the television evangelists. The Balfour Declaration was as much the result of Christian fundamentalist pressure as jewish interest groups.
 
I am inclined to say about the whole middle east 'a plague on all their houses'. We should not for instance underestimate the animosity preached by many muslim radicals against the West, which mirrors the hate being preached by the BNP. While muslim peoples have multiple valid grievances, there are many muslim governments in my view who in attempting to direct attention away from their mismanagement of their countries, are happy to stir up anti-western feeling when it suits them. A classic case of playing a double game is the Saudi Royal Family. It is difficult to see how a Europe with its vaunted ideals could tolerate the Saudi preservation of the Wahabi legal system which is an afront to all civilized values.

 Our enemy's enemy might be our friend, but I would suggest that at well as the intrasigent Israelis there are few, if any muslim goverments existing at the moment that one would want to cosy up to. We should of course try to assist these muslim countries to prosper and to be stable, to protect the exposed 'underbelly' of Europe. This is common sense, as is a process of ensuring economic security for Europe by rapidly reducing our dependence on middle eastern oil (as well as other countries' exports of oil). I suggest that as things stand at the moment there are no middle eastern regimes that can be really trusted, and European overtures of friendship should be with two fingers crossed firmly behind our backs.

I would certainly like us to ally ourselves to Africa's people (but not their piss poor governments) and see the vast potential of that continent unlocked for all its people by extending free trade bilaterally, a country at a time. We and them have much to gain by partnership (not exploitation)

Mosley's position was that the Balfour Declaration was a betrayal of the Arabs. However, he was opposed to either side cutting each other's throats.
The position of European Action on the Israeli/Palestinian issue is the pursuit of the one-state solution and that Palestinians should be free to return to their homes and lands pre-1948.
A Jewish state where Arabs are second-class citizens is unacceptable. It is Jewish supremacism, no better than any kind of racial supremacism.
The one-state solution must incorporate both Jew and Muslim as equal citizens. As such, it must be secular.
Zionism has failed.

To clarify that previous message, I suggest the replacement state for Israel and the Palestinian Authority areas be called, yes, 'Palestine' with guaranteed right and appropriate communal autonomies for both ethnic groups.