The BNP on the Rocks as the Anti-Europeans Scrap Among Themselves

Interesting looking at the Characters supporting Voice of Change, some are to the right and some to the left of the Official BNP. Which way will they go?

Not that it matters really as they are all Little Britons

The crisis within the BNP is an internal matter insofar as it involves people with the same insular views. Absolutely right, Ben, the Little Briton attitude matters not a jot to us.
And so we take no sides in this internecine moralising that continues to damage the BNP. It is nothing to do with outside influences but is entirely self-inflicted.
Yet they blame 'nazis', Gerry Gable, Red Action and United Against Fascism. All of these are mere observers wringing their hands.

The BNP recently attacked Europe as being "fascist"! The BNP need to realise we threw away the Empire during an unnecessary war and cannot now go it alone. We must join with Europe to build a European Nation with kindred Europeans, people like ourselves.

Edited by author 13-02-2008 09:13
I listened to the BBC Radio 4 programme on the the BNP's finances last night.
Apart from the shambles that the former BNP Treasurer had perpetuated, there was nothing much to go on. A bag of shredded documents seemed inconclusive evidence.

The way this was being pushed by the odds and sods of "Nationalist" forums I expected Mr Griffin to be led away in handcuffs; in the event, a lot of supposition with little hard evidence; and the amazing aural experience of some very strange bedfellows on the radio...

No doubt, some genuine people have been hoodwinked into believing that BMP might solve their problems. Indeed, the constituents of Mrs Hodge gained some hope that their difficulties might be solved by replacing their Labourite MP with a BMP member. But these hopes are false. The BMP are rabble raisers who destroy the hopes of people for an alternative to the present political deadlock.

The mere fact that there has such bitter infighting denotes that there is serious problems within the organisation. We Europeans have seen the tragic consequences of force and illegality used to change things. The yobs who now motivate the BMP will have never experienced an air raid: they will have never lived in a street that faced possible obliteration in the next air raid. I have - and it was all caused by hooligans who took advantage of democracy.

Quite so, Peter. The thuggery of the BNP has been revealed. In the absence of any real policies they prefer their main vice of factionalism and the bullying behaviour that goes along with it. Griffin is basically a thug in an ill-fitting suit.
They offer no real alternative whatsoever. In fact, life under a BNP Government (if we can stretch our imaginations to nightmare proportions) would consist of total isolation in the world as a pariah state. As Jeffrey Hamm once put it, they would be marching back from the labour camps in the evening whistling 'Rule Britannia' while all around them would be food shortages and dire poverty.
All for the sake of a mythical sovereignty based on a suicidal autarky.

Edited by author 18-02-2008 16:06
Is it true that Griffin was inviting the media to sniff his finger? With the glass eye that man always reminds me of Columbo. The character to his right looks decidely questionable. Why is he so close Griffins rear with one hand almost on his shoulder. Surely you cannot do things like that in public? As Terry Thomas would say in those Ealing comedies ..."What a shower..."

A BNP Government. That is the stuff from which nightmares are composed. For starters we would all be march off to Peel Internment Camp II on the Isle of Man. The British economy such as it is, would implode with everyone being forced to live on 'Dig For Victory' type diet while large state concerns churned out goods that no one wants or can afford. Sterling would be like the old Russian Rouble (ie) not valid outside the UK and once the cash ran out the wheels would fall of the BNP and it would resemble closely the situation in Zimbabwe. Not even a man towering economic genuis in the form of John (has) Bean could extract us from that mess!!!

As a consolation, a BNP government is highly improbable if not a complete impossibility with the type of person it has attracted.
The point here is, we should dissociate ourselves completely from the nonsense they espouse. Judging by recent local election results, they are losing their appeal because you need much more than Muslim bashing.
They always excel themselves with internal cat fights ... for the simple reason that none of them like each other. Perhaps it is the mirror images as they confront each other from time to time.
Like lemmings, they will throw themselves over the cliff edge and into political oblivion.
Eddie, it is perfectly acceptable for one chap to place his hand on the shoulder of another chap in public. It is the use of the middle finger that disturbs me.

It must agree with Robert. The BNP seems to be a loose confederacy of opposing interests with Griffin attempting to keep a lid on the pot. I think that beyond Muslim bashing they have a very limited electoral appeal and like the NF have probably peaked. The only reason we cannot tell for sure if they have peaked is because of the lack of poorly attended marches to show the falling numbers. As we all know the BNP does not do 'marches' which is a clever way to conceal falling membership numbers. Like the NF their last manifesto was riddled with contradictions. From an economic model the numbers just do not add up. The proposed flat tax would just about bankrupt the Treasury and would result in larger increases in Poll Tax bills than even some looney left councils could manage. Couple that with the current account needs of HM Government such as defence, health and Social Security and it will become obvious to even the most dedicated 'flat earther' as Mr Hamm use to describe them that even the small part of the BNP manifesto would put Britain Ltd out of business. The other unfunded ideas such paying immigrants to go back to their countries of origin would mean you would get about 40 British pounds to the old green back. Besides as a policy it just will not work and is morally beyond the pale.

Unfortunately the BNP's anti-Islamic campaign seems to have infected rival anti-Zionist Nationalist parties aswell. The only just and fair way forward is that proposed by European Action. There was a furore over Islamic interest free banking in the 'Mail on Sunday' last. The Christian Church used to forbid usury also.

In the Christian Bible it is forbidden to eat pork but Christians cherry-pick the pieces they like and discard the bits they do not want. There are also penalties involving stoning. I refer to the Book of Deuteronomy.
When Muslims treat their religion with seriousness they are called extremist.
The word 'hypocrisy' immediately springs to mind.
Did not Christ throw the money-lenders out of the temple?

Edited by author 19-02-2008 10:52
Ah mon Vieux, you are describing West European/USA Sola Scriptura Protestants.

Without boring you with the theology and the fact you are probably referring to the Masoretic rather than the Septuagint text, it is not "cherry picking" as we are not individualist literalists...

Our practices and beliefs in Orthodoxy conform to Holy Tradition as the Apostle St Paul explained to the Thessolonians "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and bold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle".

St Vincent of Lerins said. "quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus creditum est,"

And I enjoy a good pork sausage..

I am indeed referring to those who adhere to the Word of God as literal truth.

You are quite right Robert, the Christian Bible, in the Old Testament at least, prescribes stoning for adulterers, homosexuals and blasphemers and it comes as a suprise to many people who read 'scripture' that bible passages are often substantially more murderous and ethno-genocidal than anything in the Koran in many respects (and I have read the bible and the Koran from cover to cover: there is more story line in the bible, while the Koran is largely a series of monologues...I'd encourage anyone to take time to read an english translation that is also accepted by muslim scholars i.e. not the Penguin version!).


Still, I'd hate to think that in our opposition to the crudities of racist groups like BNP, we are not blind to certain features of all revealed monotheistic religion. They all have theocratic tendencies. I am glad that european action does not seek to ally itself with any particular religious ideology, and supports a secular but tolerant european state based on the best pan-european enlightenment values.

I would be interested to hear further comment/clarification on the policy view that 'the middle eastern nations' are our 'natural allies'. Whatever we might want to be the case, historically there has often been emnity between Europe and Islamic countries since the early middle ages. Indeed not being 'muslim' and being 'Christian' at least nominally, has partly defined Europe over the last millennium in my view. Clearly the mindless thugs at the BNP are tapping into some visceral europe v the orient feeling, that I'm told is mirrored in Islamic countries where the memory of the Crusaders does feature heavily in muslim identities. There has to be a sober, circumspect view of our relations with the great civilisation of Islam and our awareness we have been more often at war with each other than at peace. We are very different kinds of civillisations, though we are, nevertheless, heavily indebted to each other culturally.