The BNP on the Rocks as the Anti-Europeans Scrap Among Themselves

Edited by author 01-03-2009 22:30
This is another example of how much the BNP is out of date with its misbegotten ideas of good old British imperialist patriotism. Well, Britain no longer rules the waves and this is no longer a land of hope and glory. Will they ever come to terms with these facts?
The more militant Protestant Ulsterman also still holds a very anachronistic idea of loyalty dear to his heart ... but it has always been conditional. Today, both North and South look towards the European Union for representation and a federal Ireland looks more realistic as a consequence. The extremists from both sides of what was once a divide need to rethink their positions within Europe and thereby discover reconciliation that way.
If the BNP thinks it has gained a foothold in Northern Ireland then it would not be one that is at all permanent. After all, its policy consists exclusively of Muslim-bashing. It has nothing else to offer.
I think Northern Ireland has already had a belly-full of religion hatred over the years ... which is, in this case, barely concealed racial hatred.
It was T. P. O'Connor who described Mosley as "the greatest friend of Ireland". That was over the Black and Tan outrages.

Thank you, Robert. The intention of the BNP to become more active in Northern Ireland is a real concern. While they may represent a joke party on the mainland UK, I believe they will be a real poisonous presence in Northern Irish politics. In recent years, far right groups have been associated with Loyalist Paramilitaries and criminal thugs in the region. We live in a time when people are at last talking together and trying to work for a better future. The last thing the people of Northern Ireland , Southern Ireland and the UK need, is a bunch of flag waving loudmouths, with ideas that date from the mid-seventies. Some of these people would learn something by reading about Mosley and the Union Movement, in regard to the Irish situation.

Welcome, David, to this QuickTopic forum. Your appraisal of the BNP is spot on.

First of all I would like to say hello to all those working for and supporting European Action. The concept of Europe a Nation is one I have always supported. What a contrast to the narrow nationalism of the BNP.
They are indeed a disgrace. As has been pointed out, their website consists of little Englanders, moaning endlessly about political correctness or lifting stories from the tabloid press, which usually consist of attacks on Muslims.
They have no vision, no policies (of any worth) and thankfully, no chance of ever forming a government.

Seems it is still activated.

So now we all know ... the BNP is the enemy.

In an online article 'Israel's Gaza Affair' Griffin disgracefully writes that Britain should ignore the oppressed Palestinians plight and supports the illegal bandit state's right to exist. What a turnaround from his incarnation as a NF Political Soildier when he supported the Palestinian fight for freedom and Black Muslim seperatists. In an interview with Israeli newspaper 'Ma'ariv' Griffin says he would welcome millions of Jewish immigrants to Britain. What a traitor and sell out! Some BNP members posted comments supporting the indigenous Palestinians but most supported Israel.

I remind you of Nick Griffin's words in IDENTITY (edited by John Bean): "We shall come to power on this issue alone" ... meaning opposition to Islam.
The few Muslims that are quoted here are a disgrace to their community, just as much as those Palestinians who have worked for the Israelis.
It looks very much like fictional propaganda on the part of the BNP. When you consider that former South African 'spooks' run the site, that is not surprising. Who is this BNP supporter on the website?
Does this 'prominent Muslim community leader', quoted in FREEDOM, realise that the BNP would have him out of this country at the first opportunity?
The quote from OM is apposite and reflects the position of European Action.

The January issue of the BNP's 'Freedom' newspaper features a prominent article on a Muslim community Leader in Basildon, Essex who has urged Muslims to vote BNP, because of their opposition to the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. A BNP supporter on the website also commented that a Pakistani Muslim shopkeeper where he lives told him he supported the BNP because "immigration is too high", and that his children who were born here wear England football shirts. What a pity such positive reports are outnumbered by the BNP leadership's hysterical anti-Islamic propoganda. Mosley wrote that "None of the great religions preach subversion of the State and therefore they have no conflict with our Movement." The BNP would do well to heed his words.

The real trgedy of this whoole sordid affair is that Britain needs alternative political parties to voice opinions about the genuine issues of immigration. A person does not have to be in the least zenophobic to think that immigration is out of control or that entitlement to social welfare (housing, payment of benefits)is not correctly balanced. Move over, BNP. Go and make way for alternative, civilised response to the unholy mess that our politicians are making! Hooligans will not change the course of history in Britain - new parties with genuine agenda will

Absolutely right, Ben. It is this constant whinging and claimed white victimhood that reduces everything to negativity. What else can you expect from a party with no constructive policies at all?

Edited by author 02-01-2009 23:53
The BNP don't know who they are anymore. The calibre of leadership is painful to behold, the website is a dog's breakfast, full of whinging articles about how one set or another of the poor Brits are done by.

No vision, no policies except lets bash the muzzies of course, that will go down well at White Hart Lane

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It is a smokescreen for their real anti-Muslim agenda. The BNP wants to remove the religion completely from these shores. The fact is, Islam is now established here and nothing the BNP says can change that. Do you really believe the Muslim community would take any notice of these unpleasant bigots?
Then there is the question of what constitutes the 'Muslim world'. This is composed of many strands of Islam in many different countries. You can only deal with governments.
Who is responsible for the conflict in the world? Not the Muslims. It is the foreign policy of the United States that is responsible for mass murder in the Middle East, along with Israel and their war crimes over sixty years.
The BNP has got everything wrong again. It is not the British government per se that interferes with the internal affairs of other countries. It is the United States that does this with British soldiers being supplied as mercenaries for the Yanks. The British have always been the junior partners.
The idea of a BNP government is too absurd to contemplate. Look at the people who compose its 'top table'. They could not run a knocking shop never mind running the country.
I believe that the BNP has peaked and is now in terminal decline. It is a throw-back to Empire Loyalism.

"A BNP Government would seek an understanding with the Muslim world and not conflict. The basis of this understanding would be that they agree to keep their surplus populations to themselves and the British government would agree to never again interfere in the internal affairs of their nations. It is a pact which is the only way to guarantee peace". -BNP website. Is this progress? The BNP should stop attacking Islam per se.

Theories, rumours, speculation ... none of it is evidence and is of no value in a court.
Police always have to act on a complaint (I write from personal experience of this) but if there is no charge as a consequence then there is no stain upon the subject's character. certainly, nothing to answer.
The only way we are going to find out who leaked the list is when someone grasses on a colleague.
As it stands, Sadie Graham has been done a favour by the Griffin gang. They will not be able to try that stunt again without some real, hard evidence.
Sadie Graham is no longer regarded by the police as a suspect ... as a result.

According to comments made on the North West Nationalists blog the two Nottinghamshire BNP rebels who were arrested were released without charge, so it could be a BNP inspired excuse for a police trawl. Another theory put forward by the Final Conflict blog and at least one national newspaper is that MI5 Agents in the party leaked the list. Whether true or not it all benefits Griffin in his court case against the rebels.

The plot thickens ...

Griffin blames the 2007 rebels for the list leak, yet donations made in 2008 were on the list so it cannot be the same 2007 list they used to send out a bulletin attacking Griffin's leadership. The rebels on their 'Enough is Enough Nick-Voice for Change' site deny that they were responsible for the leak. Griffin claims he reported the leak to his local Police in Powys, Wales yet they deny any such thing. Members of the public with no connections to the BNP have had their cars firebombed. What has Griffin got to hide?

Well put, Peter. I agree with you entirely. We continue with the Mosley message, which is light years in advance of the reactionary BNP, for the reasons you point out so lucidly here.

I also take your point about vital national organisations being barred from radical infiltration. Of course there is a line of reality to be drawn between national security and freedom. However, we seem to have lost the plot: politicians have never ever been held in lower regard. How can we proscribe 'dodgy' organisations when the Prime Minister thinks nothing of standing up in public to sing The Red Flag and when politicians sing the same anthem folowing nationalisation of Northern Rock? Things have not changed since the 1930s when Mosley had wider vision than most: Westminster is still inundated by tired old men and there are still institutions against Britain's interest, and sinister forces that protect these dark forces, making certain that our lips remain sealed. The protocols are total nonsense and don't ever trying to argue! Reds under the beds? don't ever say there were, and never even suggest that they caused untold damage to Britain. Those who protest against excessive immigration egged on by a Government who merely want statistics from the Immigration Authorities can find no support in the main political parties. These could not care less about the young honest family surrounded by drug dealers, pimps and gangs ruled by knives and guns - that's why the likes of the BNP grow like cancers, playing on peoples' fears and prejudices. Give us true Parliamentary democracy and the likes of Griffin will be blinded by the light or reasonable truth. Mosley's words still ring true today - you get out of bed in the morning and see politicians of all parties sitting together, arms around each others' shoulders - good old pals! Never mind the children who have to face twenty languages at school or the aliens waiting to entice them into drugs or sexual misuse.
Never mind the PM who sings the anthem of the most inhuman regime ever - who murdered 20 million of its own people. Britain mother of the free - I don't think so any more.

I take your point concerning police officers. Personally, I think we have the worst police force in Europe and corruption pervades it from the top down to the bottom. Look at that rotter, Ian Blair. He should have stood trial for the murder of De Mendezes in Stockwell Underground Station.
But then why would a police officer want to join the BNP when it is proscribed to members of the force? I was discharged from the British Army many years ago for my memberships of both Mosley's Union Movement and the Anglo-Rhodesia Society. Considering the climate of tension at the time, I can honestly understand that decision. The zealotry of youth!
Ever since then, I have been an enemy of the state.
Police officers should ideally be apolitical. What would a 'BNP policeman' do if he is compromised at a BNP demo where rival factions confront each other. He should not take sides ... but his political comrades will expect something else of him.
It is all very well talking of injustice and freedom of speech but I do not think that should apply to the police ... nor the judiciary ... nor to the Civil Service. These are sensitive areas where strictest impartiality is expected.
Imagine a BNP judge (as daft as it sounds) presiding over a case concerning racial discrimination. You can forget a fair trial.
Oh, yes, it works the other way round too with communist or other far-Left judges. The answer is a complete proscription from all political groups.
The leaking of this list could have a positive side to it.

The BNP damages any meaningful argument and their activities help the Communists to tighten their grip on political thought, consequently further damaging democracy in Britain. They are the individuals that help to maintain the untrue myths of Cable Street and demonstrate the crudeness regretably to be found in the British population. Of course we should have nothing to do with them. My message here does not in any way support or seek to justify their rude behaviour. However, the latest scandal shows a deeper more sinister attribute to be found in modern Britain. How can people be thrown out of their jobs simply because they joined a political organisation? How can the authorities bang on about so-called Racism when Trevor Phillips continually moans about having too many Europeans on BBC Television? When a BBC announcer can be dismissed by making a telephone call to a taxi firm, requesting a 'white' driver for her daughter? What possible credence can be placed in Parliament that admits former IRA terrorists while banning a stupid race organistion? Recently, Police officers have been allowed to remain in the ranks despite their having criminal convictions. Of course that is an undesirable state of affairs, but how can the authorities ban membership of political parties when they open doors to police with past convictions (i.e former criminals)? If traditional freedoms were ever restored to the British people, e.g freedom of speech, there would be no chance for the BNP to prosper. Evil is best routed by destroying its roots. Restore democratic debate in Britain and finish the likes of the BNP by giving the British people genuine representation!

Now you know why the mailing list of European Action is known only to me and that is how it will remain. Neither will we have 'dissidents' or 'rebels'. Together into the future, one and all.
We reject open membership precisely for the reasons that the BNP's latest 'security' disaster reveal. Glad to see you are NOT a member of the BNP ... but a true European.
Interestingly, the name of Simon Thurlow appears on the BNP membership list. He always insisted he was never a member. Why all this denial?
Perhaps he can explain on this forum.

The BNP's entire membership list of 13,500 individuals has been posted online which includes police officers, teachers, prison officers, trade unionists, children and serving soldiers. Griffin called it "A disgracefull act of treachery by former members". The BNP cannot be trusted to keep members details confidential. BNP 'Security' is non-existent. The BNP is a laughing stock and the Government, Searchlies and the Far-Left are having a field day. Female BNP members have received late night threatening phone calls. Griffin is to blame by allowing so many members access to the list. He was reported as saying he "welcomed the publicity" and that it showed BNP members were "not skinhead oiks"! It proves he doesn't care about the welfare of his members and should be forced to resign.

Griffin and Farage? So desperate for power they will try anything.
From the same mould, they hate their mirror images and are both in denial regarding their essential racism. Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee trying to herd together on the same patch.
Didn't Farange once refer to 'nig-nogs'? And Griffin's anti-Muslim rhetoric is just a thinly disguised all-out attack upon brown people.

I see there is an interesting bust(er) up between the BNP and UKIP over a proposed electoral alliance. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7706857.stm

Thanks for that, European.
I have been asked recently by one BNP member why do I always look for what divides instead of what should unite us.
There is the answer in your Griffin quote. Total, unprincipled opportunism.

From the horse's mouth: "We in the BNP support the rights of the State of Israel". - Nick Griffin
What are supposed British patriots doing supporting the brutal Zionist State built on the blood of oppressed native Palestinian Arabs, who had their country of Palestine stolen from them by Zionist terror gangs? There are even a few Jews who are anti-Zionist such as Neturei Karta, Jews Against Zionism and Jews for Justice for the Palestinians, who say Jews should be loyal to the countries in which they live, including Britain. Unfortunately, they are a tiny fringe minority. 40,000 'British' Jews recently rallied in Trafalgar Square to pledge their allegiance to Israel.
There are prominent BNP members such as Richard Edmonds and Derek Beackon who oppose Zionism but they are marginalised.

I have a copy of Griffin's Rune magazine, published before he ousted Tyndall, in which he includes an interview with the late John Creasey who was a long-standing Mosley supporter. Later, Griffin was to ask me how he was keeping (he had died a few years previous) and how he liked Creasey and thought him "a wonderful chap".
This latest anti-Mosley position, adopted by the BNP's party leadership, is just another example of the Griffinite lack of consistency and how they will now do anything in order to ingratiate themselves with the leaders of Britain's Jewish community. Anything for a vote, no matter the cost to truth and loyalty.
The fools do not realise that having someone like Richardson within their ranks does not convince anyone that Jewish people will now engage in a love affair with the BNP.
They are not only hypocrites but also the worst kind of humbug.

Obviously a pro-Zionist BNP will attract Zionist support, "friend of my friend, enemy of my enemy" springs to mind...

The BNP's Jewish councillor for Epping, Patricia Richardson has boasted that "My uncles fought against Mosley's fascist Union Movement". I wonder if they were 43 Group, 62 Group or Yellow Star Movement? In the BNP's 'Londoner' May 2008 London Assembly and Mayoral elections leaflet Richardson expressed her anti-Muslim views. Several BNP members resigned over her anti-Mosley stance and promotion by the party leadership.

It is obvious this reptile was inspired by the BNP's odious anti-Muslim propaganda. I wonder how many more that Messrs Griffin, Darby and Kemp will spawn before a lot of innocent people are murdered. Then they will have blood on their hands as if they had actually planted the bombs.
Terrorism comes in all shades and forms.

A BNP supporter has been imprisoned for planning a 'race war' against Muslims. When Police raided Martyn Gilleard's flat in Goole, Yorkshire they found nail bombs, paedophile child pornography and BNP literature. Gilleard also attended a BNP demonstration in Glasgow. Is this the type of sick creature the BNP attracts?

I wonder how long it will be before Griffin visits Israel in solidarity with their repression of the indigenous Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians, like Gianfranco Fini of the Italian National Alliance who gutted the former Movimento Sociale Italiano of real patriots?

I was not aware that he did. Even so, nothing is set in stone.

Can you tell us then why Thiriart, who you admire, saw Turkey within a Europe from Reykjavik to Vladivostok?

I doubt that Rustem is a practicing Muslim. Who would have that reptile in his mosque?
The Grey Wolves were supporters of Kemal Ataturk who created a secular Turkish state in the 1930s and did away with the veil and the fez. He forced Turks to adopt Roman script as opposed to the old script. So, basically, it was anti-Islamic. The BNP wants to blame most of our problems on Muslims and Islam.
If Rustem gave his support to an Islamic party in Turkey then that would be another matter with Griffin giving him the boot, of course.
Turkey is part of Central Asia and not Europe.

Luc Michel and the Party based on Thiriart's ideas PCN-NCP would have Turkey as part of the European state.

The BNP has a coucillor of Turkish Cypriot Muslim descent Lawrence Rustem. I wonder how that squares with their anti-Islamic agenda? In an interview with the Turkish press he gave his support to the Turkish National Action Party/Grey Wolves.

Which places them in roughly the same position as the Hungarians- essentially Caucasians speaking a Uralic language.

You're right about the Arabs, however most Turks from the country we now know as Turkey are Caucasian also, but their language is Ural-Altaic in origin, yes central-Asian.

Turkey belongs to Central Asia, historically and culturally.

The Arabs, by the way, are mainly Caucasian of the sub-group Mediterranean Proper. Very similar to the Portuguese, for example.

There is no such thing as a 'clash of civilisations' and you are right to point out the commercial links with Turkey.

An excellent appraisal Robert of the relationship between Europe and the Middle -east. Could I raise the issue of Turkey, a Muslim country but far from Saudi Arabia politically, socially and culturally. A strong and forceful army stands sentinel on a fiercely secular constitution, a fact silly liberal Europeans recoil from, but they would argue they stand at the gates while these liberals criticise from the comfort of the drawing room.
Are they European, Middle-eastern or Eurasian?. I ask because I'm not sure they know. Many people, usually the better educated, in western Turkey, particularly Istanbul are of European appearance (not that I think that's important), but crucially hold European values. Others you can meet from the east are the opposite.
Despite the historical folk European image of the marauding Turk, more recent history points to the critical role Turkey followed as a conduit through which flowed European goods, particularly German goods to the Balkans and the Middle-east. They were the interface between Europe and the Middle-east that functioned well until the first of the resource wars and the Great European civil war.

The BNP website proclaims: ELECTION SHOCK - BNP BEATS LABOUR.

Another headline for the same election result could read: ELECTION SHOCK - GREEN PARTY BEATS BNP.

So where is the victory?

Edited by author 05-06-2008 12:51
Surprise, surprise ... a BNP councillor attacking the Muslim call to prayer. Have they nothing better to do than to stir up religious hatred for political purposes? Doesn't the BNP's obsession with Islamophobia distract them from the real issues facing the British people? At least, on this occasion, the BNP councillor is not objecting to the existence of a mosque but acknowledges it as a house of God. That is progess.
I agree that the call to prayer is no more of an annoyance than church bells clanging away on a Sunday or special holidays. People get used to it as they will get use to the Muslim call to prayer. Where I live on the South East coast, we have large aircraft flying over our town, landing at Manston. Busybodies formed an 'action group' to oppose the noise of these aircraft. What age do they think they live in? Aircraft are part of the modern world and we have to co-exist. I got use to aircraft flying over my town since my schoolboy days in the ATC at RAF Manston.
Now, during the Summer we get regular firework displays from the harbour at around 10.00pm. They are noisy and can interrupt an evening. But, for heaven's sake, they are part of life down here ... and we just get use to it.
Coming back to the Muslim call to prayer at a local mosque, I am sure the sound of 'Allah Akbar' will be melodiously in tune and relatively short. A lot shorter than the engines of large aircraft or half an hour of fireworkers exploding nearby.
Religious tolerance is the mark of an enlightened man.

The latest from Stoke-on-Trent...

http://www.thisisthesentinel.co.uk/display...&contentPK=20797281

It's interesting to note that the British National Front stands for a 'European Family of Nations'and cultural and sporting links between European nations, although like the BNP they are opposed to the Union of Europe. The NF's immigration policy is to stop all non-European immigration and to control white immigration. (This was Union Movement immigration policy as stated in the article 'Why Europe Needs Common Government' in 'Action' July 1st 1961). The NF polled 34,840 votes in five constituencies in the London Assembly elections in May and saved two deposits by polling more than 5% beating UKIP, Left List and the English Democrats, their best election results for 30 years, which was higher than the BNP percentage in the mayoral contest for the same constituencies (Bexley and Bromley, Greenwich and Lewisham, Ealing and Hillingdon, Hounslow, Richmond and Kingston, City and East). The England First Party also beat the BNP in Burnley, Lancashire with 12.5% to the BNP's 7.4%. The NF's anti-Zionist policy is a refreshing change to the BNP, which is now regarded as the most pro-Israel party in Britain.
I bet if Union Movement was still in existence it would have polled double the votes of the BNP and NF combined with its full programme of constructive policies. The current political climate and mood of the public is favourable to a new pro-European, anti-immigration party entering the fray.

Union Movement had a full programme of policies as does European Action today. The BNP and similar groups seem like one issue parties obsessed with race and immigration important though these are. The BNP's new policy of 'ethno-nationalism' and their rejection of white nationalism (which allowed for controlled European immigration), sets Britons against fellow Europeans.
It was good to see Dan Harmston of UM speaking to the Smithfield porters in 1968 on the 'Rivers of Blood' television programme recently.

Well, European, that tells you a lot about Nick Griffin and his pretence of being a charismatic leader. He is nothing of the sort.
The BNP is in turmoil as a consequence of his lack of leadership qualities.
It reminds me of the old tale of 'The Emperor's Clothes'. It only needs one or two to point out these obvious facts.
We in Union Movement, and I am sure in the British Union, loved Mosley. There is no other way of putting it. Loyalty was absolute. That was never a bad thing.

It is remarkable how united and disciplined the Mosley movement was compared to the continual splits and feuding of the far-right. No doubt this is because Oswald Mosley was a real natural born Leader who inspired such devotion in his followers. It has been said that there was a real spirit of comradeship in the BU and Union Movement. I didn't think much of the 'All White in Barking' BBC 2 documentary last night, although the BNP man's complaints about Eastern Europeans coming here was no surprise.

Apology accepted.

Ah, well that explains your recent protests. I do not have access to the History Channel and I am glad that is the case.

I apologise if I offended you, also your are right I do watch the History Channel too much, expeditions to Tibet and all that.

There is nothing wrong with talking of people as having their own identities. Minorities are those groups other than the majority.
No one said Gypsies were not Englishmen, just as UM member Tony Hartigan was both an Englishman and a Gypsy. He was also a great patriot.
You are being offensive by implying my views are Nazi. Discussing people and their origins has nothing whatsoever to do with determining a cephalic index. It is a perfectly innocuous and innocent interest.
Perhaps you watch the History channel too much. You know, expeditions to Tibet and all that.

I dont propose to do anything with 'minorities' hopefully as capitalism collapses things will sort themselves out.
Also I have Romany relatives who have never lived in a caravan and as far as Iand they are concerned they are english men and women. When you discuss people in seperate terms it conjours up head measuring as in archive film of the third reich, thats what I meant by it stinks of Nazism.

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So what do you propose to do with Gypsies ... or any other minority? It is not a question of 'acceptance' but more to do with treating people humanely.
To further confuse matters, you say some postings stink of Nazism. We do not promote Nazism nor any other dead political philosophy. You know that.

When I read articles discussing whether or not Romanies should be accepted etc. It makes me wonder if you have any idea what you are talking about.
Also it stinks of Nazism.

March 07, 2008
Long Lawford and New Bilton ward by-election: another failure for the BNP

Since suffering the excision of large tracts of its administrative area in the local government reorganisation of 1974, the ancient Midland county of Warwickshire has had a distinctly odd and artificial appearance - there is nothing where Coventry, Solihull, Birmingham and their hinterlands should be.
Industrial Coventry marked something of a boundary between the two distinct parts of Warwickshire, anciently divided into Arden in the north and Feldon in the south. Coal-mining became a major (if not the major) industry of north Warwickshire, which also boasted a sprinkling of manufacturing towns such as Nuneaton and Bedworth. South Warwickshire remained largely agricultural, and is linked in the minds of most with Stratford-upon-Avon, Shakespeare, and the beautiful rolling countryside that runs down to the Cotswolds.
East of Coventry lies Rugby, close to the borders of Northamptonshire and Leicestershire.
Apart from its famous school and large cement works, it's really quite difficult to find anything of interest to say about Rugby, which resembles the towns of the northern county more than it does those of the genteel south.
It is, though, one of those Midland towns undergoing demographic change, reflected in the fortunes of the major political parties. In 1999 the local borough council comprised 22 Labour councillors, 11 Conservatives, 7 Liberal Democrats, and 8 others, mostly independents. A steady annual decline in Labour support last year saw the Conservatives take control with 27 seats, against Labour with 11 and the Liberal Democrats on 7.
In the 1970s a small National Front group operated ineffectually in the town, allied with the larger but equally ineffectual Coventry branch. The Rugby group seems to have disappeared altogether in the NF's 1979/80 fragmentation, since when racist activity in the town has been barely detectable.
Racism has returned to Rugby twenty-eight years on in the form of the British National Party, which is running a candidate for the Long Lawford and New Bilton division of Warwickshire County Council in tonight's by-election.
New Bilton is a part of Rugby, while Long Lawford is a largish village-cum-suburb lying to the north of the main Coventry road.
New Bilton comprises a large proportion of late-Victorian terraced housing, and - though we don't have the latest figures - according to the 2001 census in occupational terms the inhabitants were roughly evenly split between those describing themselves as supervisory, management or professional and those describing themselves as skilled, semi-skilled or unskilled manual workers or similar. In 2001, census figures put the ethnic minority population at around 8% of the total, mostly comprising Asians, and the vast majority of those Hindus.
Long Lawford, for which we have no recent data (but some personal knowledge) is more obviously compartmentalised, a council estate and private developments growing around a not unattractive old village.
In the 2005 elections to Warwickshire County Council the Conservatives made some progress at the expense of Labour and the Liberal Democrats, overtaking Labour to become the largest party, but maintaining a long-standing situation in which no party has overall control.

In 2005 Long Lawford and New Bilton voted as follows (percentages in brackets):

Con 1191 (29.02)
Lab 1712 (41.72)
L-D 585 (14.25)
Ind 616 (15.01)

Safe-ish Labour territory on the surface, then, but the absence of an Independent and the intervention of the Greens and the BNP, together with government unpopularity, could well put a different complexion on matters for the defending party in the face of an aggressive Tory campaign.
Again we have a by-election falling close to general area where the BNP has obtained worryingly good results. Nuneaton and Bedworth are not far away, and it's not much further to Tamworth and the south Derbyshire/north-west Leicestershire districts that have proved so fertile for the racist party.
Long Lawford and New Bilton ward is untried turf for the BNP, but they should - given the location and its proximity to other BNP units - be capable of mounting a half-way decent campaign aimed at gaining 15-20% of the vote.

The BNP candidate is George Jones, who lives some distance away in Kenilworth, as he has done for the best part of three decades.
George has a long history in extreme right wing politics. In the late-1970's he was a member of the British Movement, then run by Michael McLoughlin, but somehow became associated with former members of the National Party splinter group in Coventry and Warwick - notably with Michael Cole, the National Party's hyperactive (and not entirely trusted) Warwick organiser, and also with Robert Relf, the Leamington "race rebel" imprisoned for displaying a sign declaring his house for sale to "English people only".
Relf had long been associated with the British Movement and Colin Jordan (who lived in nearby Coventry), while Cole, who - like Relf - made no secret of his Nazi views, eventually found his way to Denmark to help in the running of a now forgotten Nazi organisation.
Jones, Cole and Relf were also close associates of the hardline elements within Coventry National Front, who followed John Tyndall into the BNP's New National Front predecessor.
Like most of the racists in the Coventry/Warwick area, keen rambler George had an abiding interest in all things Nazi. We feel pretty sure that if George's interest in such dubious matters is on-going then he may well have neglected to mention as much to the electors of Long Lawford and New Bilton - as he may well have neglected to mention the contents of a letter published by the Leamington Courier all those years ago, still existing as yellowed archival hard-copy, wherein George suggested that the release into the air on a favourable wind of a few grammes of a certain noxious substance would solve the problem of Third World overcrowding at a stroke.
Long Lawford and New Bilton ward result:

Lab 724 (33.78)
Con 723 (33.74)
BNP 313 (14.61)
L-D 235 (10.97)
Grn 148 (6.91)

Total 2143

The result was declared following two recounts, and is clearly bad news for Labour, despite retaining the seat. On this occasion BNP intervention seems to have favoured the Tories, as much of Labour's almost 8% loss of vote share can be attributed to them (and, in smaller measure, to the Greens). There was no joy for the Liberal Democrats either, losing over 3% of their vote, while the glory days of the Greens would appear to be well and truly over.
The BNP share falls just below the bottom end of our expectations, but almost certainly very much below their own. This was an indifferent BNP performance, the only comfort for them being that of coming in ahead of the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, neither of which had realistic hopes of making an impact in what for both parties is a difficult ward.
Long Lawford and New Bilton decisively rejected George Jones and the BNP, and if this result is even vaguely suggestive of the electoral possibilities open to the BNP in this area, then Rugby isn't going to go racist anytime soon.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Yes, tweeds and the occasional pin stripe of the ex-City spiv, as in Nigel Farage who is fond of refering to 'nig-nogs'.
Competition between these two 'giants' of a political Jurassic Park has been heating up over who comes fourth or fifth in recent bye-elections.

Edited by author 05-03-2008 14:35
Are not UKIP the BNP in Tweeds? Or looking at the UKIP leadership maybe wearing correspondent shoes...

Edited by author 05-03-2008 07:33
European Action supports the European Union and a single currency. The EU is not exactly the National Europe we envisage for all Europeans but it is the beginning of something that resembles true co-operation on the political and economic level.
The EU, at present, is a Globalist Europe. We wish to reform it and make it a National Europe, free and independent of the international trading system. In other words, a Europe united for its own people within an area large enough to create its own home market for the goods it produces.
An independent and self-sufficient Europe would not need to exchange currencies. The banking system would be contained within the self-sufficient European area and would serve the interests of Europeans only.
As for the BNP's opposition to European union, I would stress here that we, as NATIONAL EUROPEANS, were never far-right reactionary nationalists, as the headline on the front page of European Action No 15 emphasises.
They think that being anti-Europe is a good card to play when it comes to elections (perhaps stealing ground from under UKIP) but it is fast becoming a view that is regarded as out of date, out of step and out of tune with realistic contemporary thinking ... especially among the more intelligent and informed young.

Does European Action support Britain's membership of the European Union (EU) and the Euro single currency while the BNP is against? Most Britons want to stay in Europe, opinion on the Euro is more evenly divided. Membership of the Euro would make trade and travel easier removing the need for different exchange rates.

Hackney 1963. UM supporters with Tony directly in the centre with black hair.

Tony Hartigan, a 'Teddy Boy' supporter of Union Movement in the early 1960s, was also of Gypsy stock. I have a photo somewhere.

I agree that the rights of minorities should be protected in Europe including Gypsies. Petulengro the famous BBC Romany Gypsy was a supporter of the British Union and advertised his herbal remedies in 'Action'.

Edited by author 29-02-2008 10:36
Turkey became a secular state under the rule of Kemal Ataturk. He abolished the veil, the fez and had Turkey adopt Roman script.
I can not see anyone interfering with the essence of the Hadith, though. They were, after all, the collected inspired sayings of the Prophet Muhammed.
Discussion and interpretation has a long tradition in Islam. So why the need for a 'reformation'? The Potestant Reformation in Europe had more to do with abuses by the Vatican ... sales of indulgences, etc. Islam has nothing like that.
To traditional Muslims, this is 'American' Islam and dismissed as a watering down in order to appease Washington.

There is an interesting news item from Turkey regarding a possible "reformation" of the Muslim Haddith http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7264903.stm

Edited by author 29-02-2008 07:09
I understand everything you say, Hermes, and I shall not accuse you of Aryan mysticism. Some of it is more like Nordicism, the race-memory of Iceland and Scandinavia. But Europe is more than that because there is also Southern Europe and those territories to the East ... as diverse as any difference between any sub-cultures. But we come together as Europeans.
We subscribe to the principle of religious toleration and this includes Islam. As you point out, it is but one of three Abrahamic traditions but no more alien than the others. Personally, I believe in one almighty, universal God but you are free to practice paganism which is what polytheism is. They are acts of faith and not open to dissection or debate. An act of faith is above reason and rationality.
To say that everything European is solely the creation and product of a determined geographical area is also misleading. We must acknowledge the contribution of forces from without which, in earlier times, encroached on Europe and left a lasting beneficent mark.

I am surprised Robert that you can be so enamoured of the middle east. I have a high respect for many of the personal morals of muslims, their fasting, and their family and community pride, but your Islamophilia is IMHO rather..er..surprising.
Of course we should stay on good terms with our muslim neighbours, but you must be aware Robert that while there is this little political movement here estolling the merits of a united Europe, we mirror strong movements in muslim countries seeking the restoration of the Caliphate and a pan-islamic federation. And a restored Caliphate is just as likely as the formation of the European Nation as a political reality. And if the muslim Middle East unites? Fine perhaps, until they want the return of parts of Spain and perhaps a sizeable chunk of the Balkans: in Islamic doctrine, once land has belonged to Allah, it can never be given up.

So, I say again, we should be very circumspect with our muslim neighbours..we can't I'm afraid trust them to be always on our side.

I consider part of the genius of Europe is its embracing of secularism and enlightenment, while there are many populist Islamic movements that would have their people floundering in medieval ignorance. I look forward to the day Islamic countries have their own Enlightenment, but in the interim we shall have to wait and see.
 I am afraid that part of my historical European identity is to insist our culture, is, by and large, superior economically, technically, socio-politically superior to that generally produced by Islam in the last five hundred years - for we are living in Islam's dark ages are we not? Can we not agree that the European project is to be greatly preferred to a culture dominated by absolute monarchs, clerics, religious police and public calls to prayer? We got rid of the dominance of the church for good reason, and I can't imagine any European who is heir to all our brothers have fought for, suggest that Islam is a 'good thing' to be embraced with open arms. No, lets not discriminate, but lets be very clear that the European project and in particular the Saudi type of Islam are fundamentally philosophically, metaphysically incompatible whatever the geopolitics or realpolitiks of the situation. Yes, we don't have to be at war and we can attain a deep measure of respect for each other's civillisations but we will never be kindred spirits. Heres then my paean...

For me the European spirit is forged in the fire and ice, in the Northern forests, the verdant plains watered by great rivers sprung from snow capped mountains, a Europe of underpredictable weather and climate, and a definite cycle of nature that tends if anything to a polytheistic mindset, democracy and collective archetypes that promote a curious rugged individualism.

A very different spirit is forged in the dry and severe desert, the crowded oasis and the bazaar, parched under a merciless sun, which like their rulers and gods are absolute and unchanging,and who control men's fate completely. It was in the desert that Judaism, Christianity and Islam were born...these religions are blood brothers, but they are not really, truly European, which is why, in the end, we cast these faiths off.
 Now, don't you dare accuse me of Aryan pseudomysticism..this is about Europe's soul. I believed O.M knew a thing or two about that.

Edited by author 28-02-2008 17:03
To encapsulate your last posting, twenty pygmies do not make a giant.
In Europe a Nation, all minorities, including gypsies, will be protected.

The Identity-Tradition-Sovereignty group of petty 'Nationalists' in the European Parliament, which the BNP wanted to join has collapsed, after the Romanian party resigned in protest at anti-Romanian xenophobic statements by other members. The Romanians pointed out that Romanian Europeans and Gypsies are different. The ITS's British member, ex-UKIP MEP Ashley Mote was convicted for fraud. The European National Front of German, Italian, Spainish, French, Dutch, Polish and Romanian parties is still active.
Only a National Party of Europe can reconcile the nationalisms and patriotisms within Europe, in the higher European Nationalism and Socialism of Europe a Nation, promoting respect and comradeship between kindred Europeans while preserving our individual national identities at the same time.

'Europe a Nation' is the creation of a self-sufficient system within a geographic area that is culturally and historically Europe. The purpose of self-sufficiency is to insulate ourselves from international trade and then create a home market for the consumption of what we produce. It is an end to free trade or what was called laissez faire economics.
We ally ourselves to our natural friends. It is only common sense that those allies should be near to us geographically ... in fact, our immediate neighbours. These would be the Muslim/Arab countries and Russia. In fact, much of Russia is historically and culturally European.
Africa was favoured by Oswald Mosley in his Europe/Africa when Southern Africa was under white rule.
You are right. Africa today should be befriended but Africa would need to create its own area for economic self-sufficiency. An African Union. That would not prevent us negotiating for anything extra we need ... BUT NOT IN INTERNATIONAL FREE TRADE. That is the problem at the moment where low wage economies are under-cutting those who try to maintain a high standard of living for their people.
I disagree with your remarks re Saudi Arabia. I have several Saudi friends and it is their religious obligations that make them decent people. Sharia Law is for Muslim people only and works for them. Outsiders have no moral right to interfere.

Edited by author 27-02-2008 21:37
I agree that any lasting peace will have to involve a 'one state' solution for Palestine, with justice for the Palestinian people - and security for the jewish people currently living in Israel. They are just a little bit paranoid after the Holocaust of course. (I hope folks are not going to deny the holocaust happened, though I'd agree that other ethnic groups suffered genocide - and the palestians a 'nationcide' - and don't get anywhere near the same publicity, special days or memorials)


There are unfortunately plenty of people who have their own agendas for not wanting peace in the middle east, no doubt including some neo-con Americans and of course the mad eyed zionist groups that are supported also by a huge constituency of American Evangelicals. Its not the protocols of the Elders of Zion we want to worry about though, more the prophecies of the television evangelists. The Balfour Declaration was as much the result of Christian fundamentalist pressure as jewish interest groups.
 
I am inclined to say about the whole middle east 'a plague on all their houses'. We should not for instance underestimate the animosity preached by many muslim radicals against the West, which mirrors the hate being preached by the BNP. While muslim peoples have multiple valid grievances, there are many muslim governments in my view who in attempting to direct attention away from their mismanagement of their countries, are happy to stir up anti-western feeling when it suits them. A classic case of playing a double game is the Saudi Royal Family. It is difficult to see how a Europe with its vaunted ideals could tolerate the Saudi preservation of the Wahabi legal system which is an afront to all civilized values.

 Our enemy's enemy might be our friend, but I would suggest that at well as the intrasigent Israelis there are few, if any muslim goverments existing at the moment that one would want to cosy up to. We should of course try to assist these muslim countries to prosper and to be stable, to protect the exposed 'underbelly' of Europe. This is common sense, as is a process of ensuring economic security for Europe by rapidly reducing our dependence on middle eastern oil (as well as other countries' exports of oil). I suggest that as things stand at the moment there are no middle eastern regimes that can be really trusted, and European overtures of friendship should be with two fingers crossed firmly behind our backs.

I would certainly like us to ally ourselves to Africa's people (but not their piss poor governments) and see the vast potential of that continent unlocked for all its people by extending free trade bilaterally, a country at a time. We and them have much to gain by partnership (not exploitation)

Mosley's position was that the Balfour Declaration was a betrayal of the Arabs. However, he was opposed to either side cutting each other's throats.
The position of European Action on the Israeli/Palestinian issue is the pursuit of the one-state solution and that Palestinians should be free to return to their homes and lands pre-1948.
A Jewish state where Arabs are second-class citizens is unacceptable. It is Jewish supremacism, no better than any kind of racial supremacism.
The one-state solution must incorporate both Jew and Muslim as equal citizens. As such, it must be secular.
Zionism has failed.

To clarify that previous message, I suggest the replacement state for Israel and the Palestinian Authority areas be called, yes, 'Palestine' with guaranteed right and appropriate communal autonomies for both ethnic groups.

What do people think of my suggestion that the Zionist state of Israel be 'deconstructed' and 'reconstructed' to be a secular state where jews and non-jewish palestinians have equal parity, perhaps with Jerusalem as an International City belonging to 'The World' rather than to any particular group or nation? Hard to imagine, but is even a 'two state' solution to Palestine sustainable?
What was 'The Leader's' view of the state of Israel and where it fits in the geo-political Europe-Arabian-African axis (being as it were at the centre of this landmass)?

Edited by author 26-02-2008 20:29
We are not proposing anything to do with Mussolini. We promote policies based on the ideas of Oswald Mosley.
We are not fascists but National European.
We regard the Muslim world as allies of Europe a Nation.
What you prefer is your own business but I suspect it has little to do with the policy of European Action.

Wasn't it Mussolini's policy to encourage Arab nationalism in order to confront Britain and America? He had himself proclaimed as the protector of Islam and was presented with the 'Sword of Islam'. Are your proposing this sort of approach?

Or are you promoting the concept of Eurabia, where Europe allies itself to and eventually merges with the Arab World?

I would personnally prefer a Eurafrikan solution.

Hermes asks: "I would be interested to hear further comment/clarification on the policy view that 'the middle eastern nations' are our 'natural allies'. Whatever we might want to be the case, historically there has often been emnity between Europe and Islamic countries since the early middle ages. Indeed not being 'muslim' and being 'Christian' at least nominally, has partly defined Europe over the last millennium in my view. Clearly the mindless thugs at the BNP are tapping into some visceral europe v the orient feeling, that I'm told is mirrored in Islamic countries where the memory of the Crusaders does feature heavily in muslim identities. There has to be a sober, circumspect view of our relations with the great civilisation of Islam and our awareness we have been more often at war with each other than at peace. We are very different kinds of civillisations, though we are, nevertheless, heavily indebted to each other culturally."
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Historical enmities need not go on forever. The historical clashes between Christianity and Islam have been largely political struggles for power and influence. Both have laid claim to the religious sites in the Holy Land and both have valid arguments for this. The Crusades were not always inspired by the most noble ideas and one would do well to study them properly. For example, those noble knights on the way to the Holy Land sought out a bit of genocidal practice by murdering entire Jewish communities on the way.
Being Christian only defines Europe insofar that Roman Catholicism ruled for so long. The Protestant Reformation created more or less two religions, each denying the validity of the other. Europe then became divided theologically between North and South with Orthodoxy in the East rejecting Rome after the Great Schism.
Mosley was a master of the art of synthesis and would offer a solution to any conflicting interests. He also believed that the Muslim countries were our natural allies ... first, as opponents of communism and, today, as victims of American financial imperialism.
We are different cultures but civilisation in Europe benefited greatly from a beneficent Arab Empire. Certainly, a greater part of Spain in the form of Andalusia brought the indigenous savage out of his hovel in the Dark Ages and gave the inhabitants, street lighting, running hot water, proper roads and more ... all of this in the 8th Century. Islam was a great civilising influence.
I think we need to educate our own people and counter the rubbish preached by the BNP.

You are quite right Robert, the Christian Bible, in the Old Testament at least, prescribes stoning for adulterers, homosexuals and blasphemers and it comes as a suprise to many people who read 'scripture' that bible passages are often substantially more murderous and ethno-genocidal than anything in the Koran in many respects (and I have read the bible and the Koran from cover to cover: there is more story line in the bible, while the Koran is largely a series of monologues...I'd encourage anyone to take time to read an english translation that is also accepted by muslim scholars i.e. not the Penguin version!).


Still, I'd hate to think that in our opposition to the crudities of racist groups like BNP, we are not blind to certain features of all revealed monotheistic religion. They all have theocratic tendencies. I am glad that european action does not seek to ally itself with any particular religious ideology, and supports a secular but tolerant european state based on the best pan-european enlightenment values.

I would be interested to hear further comment/clarification on the policy view that 'the middle eastern nations' are our 'natural allies'. Whatever we might want to be the case, historically there has often been emnity between Europe and Islamic countries since the early middle ages. Indeed not being 'muslim' and being 'Christian' at least nominally, has partly defined Europe over the last millennium in my view. Clearly the mindless thugs at the BNP are tapping into some visceral europe v the orient feeling, that I'm told is mirrored in Islamic countries where the memory of the Crusaders does feature heavily in muslim identities. There has to be a sober, circumspect view of our relations with the great civilisation of Islam and our awareness we have been more often at war with each other than at peace. We are very different kinds of civillisations, though we are, nevertheless, heavily indebted to each other culturally.

I am indeed referring to those who adhere to the Word of God as literal truth.

Edited by author 19-02-2008 10:52
Ah mon Vieux, you are describing West European/USA Sola Scriptura Protestants.

Without boring you with the theology and the fact you are probably referring to the Masoretic rather than the Septuagint text, it is not "cherry picking" as we are not individualist literalists...

Our practices and beliefs in Orthodoxy conform to Holy Tradition as the Apostle St Paul explained to the Thessolonians "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and bold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle".

St Vincent of Lerins said. "quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus creditum est,"

And I enjoy a good pork sausage..

In the Christian Bible it is forbidden to eat pork but Christians cherry-pick the pieces they like and discard the bits they do not want. There are also penalties involving stoning. I refer to the Book of Deuteronomy.
When Muslims treat their religion with seriousness they are called extremist.
The word 'hypocrisy' immediately springs to mind.
Did not Christ throw the money-lenders out of the temple?

Unfortunately the BNP's anti-Islamic campaign seems to have infected rival anti-Zionist Nationalist parties aswell. The only just and fair way forward is that proposed by European Action. There was a furore over Islamic interest free banking in the 'Mail on Sunday' last. The Christian Church used to forbid usury also.

It must agree with Robert. The BNP seems to be a loose confederacy of opposing interests with Griffin attempting to keep a lid on the pot. I think that beyond Muslim bashing they have a very limited electoral appeal and like the NF have probably peaked. The only reason we cannot tell for sure if they have peaked is because of the lack of poorly attended marches to show the falling numbers. As we all know the BNP does not do 'marches' which is a clever way to conceal falling membership numbers. Like the NF their last manifesto was riddled with contradictions. From an economic model the numbers just do not add up. The proposed flat tax would just about bankrupt the Treasury and would result in larger increases in Poll Tax bills than even some looney left councils could manage. Couple that with the current account needs of HM Government such as defence, health and Social Security and it will become obvious to even the most dedicated 'flat earther' as Mr Hamm use to describe them that even the small part of the BNP manifesto would put Britain Ltd out of business. The other unfunded ideas such paying immigrants to go back to their countries of origin would mean you would get about 40 British pounds to the old green back. Besides as a policy it just will not work and is morally beyond the pale.

As a consolation, a BNP government is highly improbable if not a complete impossibility with the type of person it has attracted.
The point here is, we should dissociate ourselves completely from the nonsense they espouse. Judging by recent local election results, they are losing their appeal because you need much more than Muslim bashing.
They always excel themselves with internal cat fights ... for the simple reason that none of them like each other. Perhaps it is the mirror images as they confront each other from time to time.
Like lemmings, they will throw themselves over the cliff edge and into political oblivion.
Eddie, it is perfectly acceptable for one chap to place his hand on the shoulder of another chap in public. It is the use of the middle finger that disturbs me.

A BNP Government. That is the stuff from which nightmares are composed. For starters we would all be march off to Peel Internment Camp II on the Isle of Man. The British economy such as it is, would implode with everyone being forced to live on 'Dig For Victory' type diet while large state concerns churned out goods that no one wants or can afford. Sterling would be like the old Russian Rouble (ie) not valid outside the UK and once the cash ran out the wheels would fall of the BNP and it would resemble closely the situation in Zimbabwe. Not even a man towering economic genuis in the form of John (has) Bean could extract us from that mess!!!

Edited by author 18-02-2008 16:06
Is it true that Griffin was inviting the media to sniff his finger? With the glass eye that man always reminds me of Columbo. The character to his right looks decidely questionable. Why is he so close Griffins rear with one hand almost on his shoulder. Surely you cannot do things like that in public? As Terry Thomas would say in those Ealing comedies ..."What a shower..."

Quite so, Peter. The thuggery of the BNP has been revealed. In the absence of any real policies they prefer their main vice of factionalism and the bullying behaviour that goes along with it. Griffin is basically a thug in an ill-fitting suit.
They offer no real alternative whatsoever. In fact, life under a BNP Government (if we can stretch our imaginations to nightmare proportions) would consist of total isolation in the world as a pariah state. As Jeffrey Hamm once put it, they would be marching back from the labour camps in the evening whistling 'Rule Britannia' while all around them would be food shortages and dire poverty.
All for the sake of a mythical sovereignty based on a suicidal autarky.

No doubt, some genuine people have been hoodwinked into believing that BMP might solve their problems. Indeed, the constituents of Mrs Hodge gained some hope that their difficulties might be solved by replacing their Labourite MP with a BMP member. But these hopes are false. The BMP are rabble raisers who destroy the hopes of people for an alternative to the present political deadlock.

The mere fact that there has such bitter infighting denotes that there is serious problems within the organisation. We Europeans have seen the tragic consequences of force and illegality used to change things. The yobs who now motivate the BMP will have never experienced an air raid: they will have never lived in a street that faced possible obliteration in the next air raid. I have - and it was all caused by hooligans who took advantage of democracy.

The way this was being pushed by the odds and sods of "Nationalist" forums I expected Mr Griffin to be led away in handcuffs; in the event, a lot of supposition with little hard evidence; and the amazing aural experience of some very strange bedfellows on the radio...

Edited by author 13-02-2008 09:13
I listened to the BBC Radio 4 programme on the the BNP's finances last night.
Apart from the shambles that the former BNP Treasurer had perpetuated, there was nothing much to go on. A bag of shredded documents seemed inconclusive evidence.

The BNP recently attacked Europe as being "fascist"! The BNP need to realise we threw away the Empire during an unnecessary war and cannot now go it alone. We must join with Europe to build a European Nation with kindred Europeans, people like ourselves.

The crisis within the BNP is an internal matter insofar as it involves people with the same insular views. Absolutely right, Ben, the Little Briton attitude matters not a jot to us.
And so we take no sides in this internecine moralising that continues to damage the BNP. It is nothing to do with outside influences but is entirely self-inflicted.
Yet they blame 'nazis', Gerry Gable, Red Action and United Against Fascism. All of these are mere observers wringing their hands.

Interesting looking at the Characters supporting Voice of Change, some are to the right and some to the left of the Official BNP. Which way will they go?

Not that it matters really as they are all Little Britons

Ha! Ha! Ha!
It will end up as a classic ... alongside Collett's 'Young, Nazi and Proud'.

Edited by author 04-02-2008 12:40
Dear me; I have just watched BNP wives on YouTube, I was squirming with embarrassment, from the bitter jilted minus IQ northern poetess to the unholy cross of a Valkyrie and Irma Grese. The only one that seemed at all normal was Suzy Cass, who just came across as being very, very unhappy with hubby's hobby.

I did feel sorry for Nick Cass when he was sacked/shafted over the phone by Chairman Nick..

Edited by author 02-02-2008 11:57
The same way the National Front reached its peak in 1979. After that ... oblivion.
Prognostications can sometimes be premature or foolish.

The BNP has probably reached its peak. The last elections when it put up a record number of candidates were a disaster for the BNP. What with the latest substantial split and recriminations, it is headed for decline, leaving space for a possible new party to emerge that is pro-European and anti-immigration.

Edited by author 01-02-2008 21:24
Interesting to see how they fare in the London Mayoral Elections. This is the danger that these crack-pots face ... an inflated view of themselves, puffed up with hubris. Barnbrook is a bundle of contradictions.
Did you see the TV programme on 'BNP wives'? Scary! The kind of women best suited as traffic wardens or the proverbial concentration camp guard.
There is a YouTube video. Talk about dragons. St George would have his work cut out.

And the BNP claimed it was overtaking UKIP!

Edited by author 01-02-2008 12:12
And interestingly was beaten by almost a margin of 2 to 1 by UKIP, the members of whom the BNP are trying to poach.

I think we should update Little Englanders to Little Britons...

Results of a recent bye-election:

Calne Town Council Lickhill ward result (percentages in brackets):

LibDem 278 (36.20)
Con 256 (33.33)
UKIP 150 (19.53)
BNP 84 (10.94)
Green 23 (2.99)

Total 768

A GREAT VICTORY FOR THE BNP! IT BEAT THE GREEN PARTY!

From the Daily Telegraph recently:

"The billionaire investor famous for "breaking" the Bank of England in the 1990s has warned that Britain is heading for a recession. George Soros said that a recession in both the United States and Britain "will be very difficult to avoid" ... Mr Soros also warned that the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency was drawing to an end, thanks in part to the financial crisis on Wall Street ... He warned this week that the crisis facing the world's financial markets is the worst in 60 years, likely to cause a major realignment in the world economy, as emerging nations such as China and India gain more clout".

There is the argument for insulation and the creation of a self-sufficient economy on the lines of Oswald Mosley. The BNP has no answer to this problem.

For inclusion, the old 'white' dominions would have to adopt a common European currency ... and ditch the Dollar.

Under Griffin the BNP has built up a money spinning used car outlet, a dodgy insurance company and now incredibly a double-glazing outfit. Mosley's BUF and UM regarded Arabs and the Muslim World as our allies unlike the BNP. A BNP government would withdraw Britain from Europe, which would be a disaster economically. We can only regain our sovreignty from American-Global Capitalism by joining with fellow Europeans in a great self-contained, protected European home market under common European government, into which we can invite the White Dominions of Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

From the Barking and Dagenham Recorder:
BNP told: 'Don't come to Holocaust service'
ZJAN SHIRINIAN - 31 January 2008
 
A ROW has erupted after two BNP councillors were asked not to attend a Holocaust memorial service.
Cllr Robert Bailey says he was asked to stay away from the service, marking National Holocaust Memorial Day, at the Peace and Memorial Garden, Rainham Road North, Dagenham, on Monday.
But Barking and Dagenham Council leader Cllr Charles Fairbrass said Cllr Bailey had no reason to attend when the national leader of his party denies the Holocaust ever happened.
Cllr Bailey, who said he attended the service with party colleague Cllr Lawrence Rustem, despite the apparent ban, said he "expected an invite" as he was an elected councillor.
But Cllr Fairbrass, referring to BNP party leader Nick Griffin, said: "To quote his words, 'I have come to the conclusion that the extermination tale is a mixture of allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie and latter day witch hysteria'."
Cllr Fairbrass said: "In addition, on a recent TV programme, a member of the BNP commented that they had never thought much about the Holocaust, but does query the number of deaths.
"Cllr Bailey is a member of the BNP. Why would he want to attend an event that remembers the Holocaust, when the leader of the BNP said it didn't happen?"
But Cllr Bailey, who says he received a letter on Friday explaining Cllr Fairbrass thought it would be "inappropriate" for him to attend, said he did not support Mr Griffin's views.
"What Mr Griffin speaks is for himself. He doesn't speak for the party. If he said those things in the past, that's up to him. We have no policy on the Holocaust.
"We are not a party of Holocaust deniers. Mr Griffin has acknowledged that what happened during World War Two, and consequently in many countries, has been a very sad event for everybody concerned. It's a time of remembrance. People died and suffered, they should be remembered by all.

Of course we would stop all non-European immigration. Europeans would always come first.
The BNP's anti-Islamic campaign will be its eventual undoing ... even though Griffin has stated it would bring him to power. Now it is too late for them. The die is cast.

What are the main differences between European Action and the BNP? Would a NPE government stop all non-European immigration? The BNP would be better off campaigning against immigration and leaving the Islamic religion alone.

Edited by author 31-01-2008 05:57
I hear Sharon Ebanks has been interviewed for the following radio programme.

From Lancaster UAF:

Radio Four's File on Four is gathering information about party funding and is planning to broadcast its programme dealing primarily with the BNP's considerable financial problems on February 12th. Along with a bunch of other people, we've been helping out with information and have passed along anything we believe may be of help along with any supporting evidence or useful links. Now you have the chance to do the same.

If you have any information about the BNP's dodgy finances, its dealings with the American Friends of the BNP, Civil Liberty, the Trafalgar Club or anything else you believe is important enough to be mentioned, get in touch with us quickly. This is a sterling opportunity to strike at Griffin's gold-plated heart. We all know that he's only interested in the BNP because of what he can screw out of the gullible membership and now, with any luck, the party's finances could be subjected to decent, open and honest scrutiny in a forum that is open to everyone.

If you've got any info worth having, post in the comments section or, if you prefer to keep your communication away from the public eye, send it to us via email at lancaster.uaf@zen.co.uk and we will pass any relevant information across to the producer immediately. We will keep any email communication confidential.

Party funding findings

What are the concerns about the BNP's finances?

The mainstream political parties are facing sustained pressure over donations, loans and honours. But now new concerns have been raised about the finances of The British National Party. Will its records bear scrutiny?

Tuesday 12 February 2008, 2000 GMT, repeated Sunday 17 February 2008, 1700 GMT.

Edited by author 31-01-2008 05:14
You must be desperate. You are wasting your time. Everyone has gone elsewhere. This is now a ghost forum where you can whine about your 'democratisation' until the cows come home.
As always, off topic and completely uninteresting. You must stop feeling sorry for yourself.
The last word is totally unacceptable ... but then you are American. Shouldn't you have the 'mother' prefix as in the American style of speech?

and they call us freemasons???? what the fuck !!!!!

I give up... there is no reasoning with you.... don't bother folks. your wasting your time on here.

By he way before you show paranoia again the Internet is GLOBAL.... they'll read this even in the congo.

The internet is all about democratizing. People like choice. Take a look at popular websites. They are about giving people choice.

Robert, Get a grip. It's you attitude that has seen what could have developed into a very good discussions deteriorate into farce. Rather than hurling abusive and showing paranoia why don't you start again. Make it clear as to what is acceptable to post by listing your terms and conditions then allow open debates on points. How are you going to make head way if when folk knock on your door or take an interest in your content you go irate and hot headed. That post that you posted on the other forum and in which I am banned erves no purpose other then to put thousands off your political message. People that would normally take an interest in what you are saying. No doubt you;ll delete this also.

Edited by author 01-02-2008 11:02
Bye, bye, Henderson. Don't lecture us about how to conduct our affairs when your own stinking country is a social and economic cess pit.
The great American melting pot where the people at the bottom get burned and the scum rises to the top.
Riots and high crime rates? Go to America and see how it is really done. You might even catch a serial shooting in a High School. See how the Feds bring in tanks and flame throwers when they don't like a strange cult.
Go to Fallujah in Iraq and see how the Americans introduce peace and democracy to the rest of the world. These are the real terrorists.
You can not blame all that on a single religion.

Anyway, there is no pointing continuing here. Let you carry on with your out of touch views.

Good luck ! Don't invite me back to post.

Robert,

You've really got to get your head out of those books and fantasies and see life as it really is in same regions and areas. How can you tell an ordinary European that they should embrace Islam when the set fire and cause riots or drive crime rates high? Granted not all but the trend is not nice.

Asking a lawyer anything costs money. Why don't you ask a lawyer.

*Bangladeshi*


Ask any prosecution lawyer or criminal lawyer on how wonderful the Bangladeshi youths are with their gun toting gangs.

What planet to you lot live in Pluto?

Edited by author 30-01-2008 11:37
Of course it is, Ben. It is the worst kind of humbug to pose as a defender of Christendom while selling a good line in the crudest of pagan merchandise.
Christianity, as we all know, is a universal religion beyond nationality and race. It stands opposed to pagan mumbo-jumbo that claims an exclusively Northern European dimension.
The BNP is on record as laying down the law on what is a British religion and what is not. They would ban 'non-British' faiths. Of course. it is primarily a dig at Islam.
Most of these people hold no faith whatsoever ... otherwise they would have a more charitable attitude to all their neighbours.

Indeed the current BNP's Front organisation The Christian Council of Britain is a farce, look at the BNP trading wing Excaliber for some theological truth about the BNP - One Christian Christmas Card and loads of neo-pagan ones; of course anyone can hold any belief, but this Crusading Defender of Christianity pose is laughable.

The BNP's attempt at ingratiating itself with the Roman Catholic Church is surely the joke of the month. Griffin was dismissed by his former Third Positionist colleagues who were not too impressed with his luke-warm attitude to the Roman Church. This is the same Griffin who promoted paganism in the NF and then the BNP.
Like his turn-around with the Jews, Griffin attempts to hug the Roman Catholics in an attempt to have his appalling anti-Islamic crusade endorsed by them. Each time, he shoots himself in the foot.
True success in politics entails being consistent.

The BNP website has even attacked Muslims for boycotting Holocaust Memorial Day, because Muslims objected to the fact that it didn't recognise other atrocities against Gentiles throughout history. For example, it is estimated that Soviet and Chinese Communism slaughtered 100 MILLION innocent men,women and children in the 20th Century. (Read 'The Gulag Archipelago' by Alexander Solzhenitsyn).
The BNP has recently been trying to ingratiate itself with Catholics, yet the Catholic Church supports a United Europe, the establishment of an independent Palestinian State and promotes tolerance for Polish immigrants to Britain, which the BNP do not!

Yes, I have a copy of The Griffin File, published by Eddy Morrison and printed by Tony Hancock in Uckfield, East Sussex.
It is useful for all the quotes and gaffes of Nick Griffin. There is not much worse than a hypocrite.
European, you are anticipating the front page article in the next issue of European Action. It is already written.
The great differences between us and the far-right reactionaries are crying out to be stated unequivocally.
Mosley's policies and ideas were 90 per cent economic. Economics make up about 0.5 per cent of far-right thinking ... the rest being Muslim bashing.

On her 'Enough is Enough-Voice for Change' website Sadie Graham claims that a Griffinite security team tricked their way into her house and stole her computer. This is a serious allegation which if true could lead to the downfall of the BNP leadership. 'The Griffin File' is an interesting publication, it recounts NG's financial shenanigans and metamorphosis from Nationalist anti-Zionist to populist pro-Zionist. It is widely believed that Griffin posts on the US based racialist discussion forum 'Stormfront Britain' attacking rival Nationalists and BNP dissidents, as 'Purging the Droid'. The BU and UM were not racist. They were realist in that Mosley accepted the existence of natural racial differences but was opposed to racial hatred and oppression or domination of one race over another. Races are different not 'superior' or 'inferior'. Miscegnation could be deterred through education and propoganda making legislation on the matter unnecessary. The BNP is trapped in the obsolete British Nationalism of pre-war Fascism. They are against Mosley's progressive Europe a Nation policy. They resemble the League of Empire Loyalists which was loyal to a lost Empire, founded by ex-Blackshirt and first leader of the National Front, A.K.Chesterton. We could be friends with an 'America First' Nationalist, anti-Zionist government which kept its nose out of Europe and the Middle East.

Edited by author 28-01-2008 04:50
Where do I state that I take a dislike to you? Your name is familiar although I do not know you.
This forum is for the discussion of the BNP in crisis. What has the nationalities of your parents to do with this?
According to Searchlight (December 2006), Robert Henderson of 'Right Now!' attended the magazine's second annual conference in London on October 21, 2006. So much for 'never visting Europe'.
If your father is Dutch, then how come you have a very English surname? Americans do not use 'Hello'. They say 'Hi'.
Pull the other leg.

Hello,

I am an American, WHITE. My mother is French. My father is Dutch. I have never visited Europe. Would love to go. See the old countries. Love Europe. I am slightly sad to read you take a dislike to me. Please tell me why? Thank you.

european, your enthusiasm is almost palpable. I can see you are burning with revolutionary faith ... but, please, do not burn yourself out.
We are keeping a flame burning through European Action. Its purpose is to perform "the role of those who prepare", as proclaimed beneath our masthead.
Let us get the word out and reach as many as possible. The right people will eventually step forward to take it further in the National Party of Europe.
We are not strong enough yet. But persevere! Faith can eventually move mountains.

The BNP looks like right-wing Tories every day. Mosley's movements proposed a revolutionary programme of the radical centre. When will the National Party of Europe be relaunched?

I used to be a supporter of the BNP in 1988-1991 but I saw the light after reading O.M.'s 'The Alternative' and 'Europe: Faith and Plan'. I then began reading 'Action' published by Jeffrey Hamm's Action Society and 'Comrade' News Letter of F.O.M. I have extended my patriotism to embrace Europe a Nation.
In his book 'Many Shades of Black' John Bean claims to have been a member of UM for a couple of years. He also claims to have met Mosley in London to discuss an alliance between the BNP and UM. He says he believes in a 'Europe of Nations' independent of the EU, and voted yes to Britain in Europe in the 1975 referendum.
John 'Griff' Wood of the Nationalist Alliance used to be a Union Movement organiser. The BPP stands for Mosley's policy of a Corporate State and Worker's Ownership.
Dr Stuart Russell became disillusioned with the BNP's policy changes and refusal to discuss the Jewish Question and has apparently joined the growing BNP rebel faction.
There are undoubtedly pro-Europeans who voted BNP in the last European Elections on the immigration issue, who would prefer to vote for the National Party of Europe. Dermont Clark's article is well written, I think voluntary repatriation is one of the BNP's better policies and it has a lot of support amongst voters.

I notice the "British Leader" in the header photo uses an American gesture rather than the historical old english longbowmen one...

Does anyone really know what would happen to the said immigrant population?

The below article is well written and thought out, however, it is making one assumption which I am not convinced about. This is that the said immigrant population would want to remain if a, say, BNP, BPP or future NPE party seizes power.

The said immigrant population would in itself be in a state of movement. It would not surprise me if most flee home voluntarily. It would equally not surprise me if most respond violently to gains made by ANY National party.

Are there any concrete historical examples on the subject. Has any other country experienced just such a happening?

I can best reply to you, Jim, by posting the entire article by Dermont Clark published in a back issue of European Action. We have adopted it as our immigration policy.
You can go to http://www.europeanaction.com and find the link at the foot of the page.

IMMIGRATION, BIGOTRY OR REASON
by Dermont Clark

[Dermont Clark is a former Union Movement organiser and speaker from Cambridgeshire. In the early 1970s he was a main speaker at “Action Party” conferences until it reverted to “Union Movement” after a couple of years. He later played a role in the Action Society. He is now an enthusiastic supporter of European Action, the successor to the movement’s Action]

The policy of Union Movement, the post Second World War political party of Oswald Mosley, put the emphasis on humane repatriation of immigrants. This was perfectly possible in the 1950s and the 1960s because by 1958 the West Indian population had only reached 125,000 and by the late 50s the total number of blacks in Great Britain was 192,000 (or less than 0.5 per cent of the population).
However, as we entered the 1980s the demographic changes were being set permanently, and here and now in the 21st Century we must accept that any idea of coerced repatriation is neither possible nor morally defensible. Our immigrant population has established itself, for the most part regards itself as truly British and plays an important part in just about every part of our national life.
Just for a moment consider the policy of some “patriotic” British political parties who would repatriate the entire non-European immigrant population over a ten or fifteen year term. The question is, how? If 25,000 sat down in the middle of London the state does not have the manpower to move them, nor the facilities to house them.
Are we to return to the occasional stupid and shameful excesses of the British Raj in India when troops were summoned to move protesters and ended up firing with both small arms and artillery on the hapless natives, killing hundreds of mainly old men, women and children?
Or do we wish the rest of the world to judge us from the comfort of their living rooms as they see on their TV screens Balkan type ethnic cleansing and huge camps full of huddled masses awaiting deportation back to countries that they no longer know as “home”? This would be racism and bigotry of the worst kind.
In his book, “My Life”, Sir Oswald Mosley says, “I have always stood against the exploitation of the old colonialism, the placing of one people on top of another on grounds of alleged superiority or inferiority, which is the only rational definition of racialism and which I reject”.
The Editor and contributors to European Action consider Oswald Mosley to have been a politician and philosopher of great vision and often decades ahead of his contemporaries in his planning for and aspirations of Europe a Nation, but we also feel the need to interpret his ideas in the contemporary context, bearing in mind that many things change over the years.
Let us try now and relate to the present day, and the difficulties that we face in regard to the many issues surrounding immigration. The Government of the day has a moral obligation to protect and secure the borders of the United Kingdom and a National Party of Europe has the same obligation over its boundaries.
The people have a right to expect their Government to protect them also from people in their midst who would break the laws of the land and/or wish to do them harm, and also the right to expect equal treatment. The Government should wisely and carefully use the revenues that it raises to manage their Public Services.
It is now common knowledge that “New Labour” and the Home Office have lost total control of our borders. They have no idea how many people who shouldn’t be in the UK are living here (their estimate is some 400,000 but it could be more) and, as highlighted in a recent TV documentary, because of pressure from Number 10, the immigration officials are being forced to ignore the deportation of dangerous foreign criminals in order to meet targets.
So called “political correctness” means that unfair discrimination is being used to advantage some people over others based on their ethnicity. This is morally wrong and completely stupid. The idea that an applicant’s ability to do a job is of less importance than his or her racial background, etc. is bound to deliver lower rather than higher standards.
In the same way, because of poorly drafted laws, many of which have been pushed through to meet this Government’s deadlines of a new scheme or incentive every month or so, there has sprung up a whole legal “industry” to try and manipulate the system to the advantage of immigrants and asylum seekers who are not truly entitled to be in this country, all of which is funded through Legal Aid.
What then are the solutions (solutions that are required not just by white voters but right across the racial mix of our voting public)?
Firstly, procedures must immediately be put in place and given substantial backing to detain in custody and to return to their country of origin all immigrant criminals who have abused the hospitality of our country, and anyone who has been found guilty of any crime that potentially carries a prison sentence should be deported.
Given that the cost of keeping a convict in prison is more expensive than putting them up in a four star hotel, it would seem sensible that these criminals serve their time back in their true homeland, rather than in the UK. This would also free up spaces in our increasingly over-full prisons. This is most easily achieved by subsidising the cost of the imprisonment in their country of origin.
Virtually every other democracy in the world has a limit to the number of immigrants that it will accept in any given year, often broken down into specific numbers from individual countries. Indeed, one of the reasons for West Indian migration to the UK was the 1952 McCarren-Walter Act that changed the rules originally permitting some 65,000 British Commonwealth citizens to come to America each year, to restrict the number of Caribbeans to only 800.
In addition, many countries will give preference within their quota to specified trades and professions (say, builders and doctors) and, in addition, will often apply other requirements such as the need to pass medical examinations, often a requirement (especially for older applicants) to post surety against the cost to the state of any medical treatment and an exclusion from any Social Security benefits for, say, the first three years.
All of that seems perfectly sensible and reasonable. I can understand that families living in the UK want to bring over their elderly parents and their siblings. As long as they fall within the allotted quotas and do not cost the taxpayer any money, I have no objections. If we wanted to go to the United States or Australia, the same conditions would apply irrespective of race or colour.
Asylum seekers are a particularly difficult area because, while one does not want to return the genuine applicant to a country where they are likely to be abused or tortured, the system is very muddled and unclear.
This encourages “shyster” lawyers to challenge decisions to repatriate their clients and to “play the system” by telling those claiming the right to settle here to falsely claim they are from such and such a country “because under Human Rights legislation they can’t send you back”. The enormous cost of all this comes out of the Legal Aid budget funded by you and me, the taxpayers.
This needs a root and branch overhaul, with clear and definitive rules, which should include the needs for claimants to prove their identity and country of origin with, if necessary, citizens of certain countries being excluded from entry into the UK. This would make the administration of requests for asylum simpler and more straightforward and eliminate much of the huge cost of court action and counter-action.
Finally, what should happen to the half million or so immigrants in this country illegally? Mass deportation seems impractical at best, and as many of these people have settled into our society and contribute to our economy others have suggested an amnesty. I reject the concept of amnesty because these people are here illegally, but as they are located I do believe that the Immigration Service should take into consideration how they have conducted themselves and their circumstances.
The first option would be some form of license to stay and work in the UK without granting any rights of citizenship (similar to how Germany after the Second World War recruited necessary immigrant labour from Turkey). After a suitable period of time, and dependent on how they conducted themselves in our society, full citizenship could follow while, of course, all the “bad apples” would immediately be sent packing.
Rather than playing the “race card” or, on the other hand, surrendering our control of our borders and sovereignty to the masses who would descend on our land if given half a chance, I believe that a serious and practical solution based on fairness and justice in the best interests of all our citizens irrespective of their race, colour or creed is both a necessity and a duty that a government of which a National Party of Europe was a member would not hesitate to implement.

Does European Action stand for a voluntary repatriation scheme of non-European immigrants like the BNP or humane, phased, financially-assisted, compulsory repatriation like the BPP and other nationalist parties? (first proposed by Union Movement). Voluntary repatriation could be tried first but if it didn't work we could reserve the right to implement compulsory repatriation nevertheless giving coloured immigrants plenty of time to wind up their affairs in Britain and Europe. We could allow the controlled immigration of temporary coloured students.

The BNP says we will lose our national identity in a United Europe. In Europe a Nation we would in fact still remain English, Irish, French,etc, but also Europeans aswell. In a speech Mosley said European government would seek to sink roots ever deeper into our respective national soil.
It's not true that the BUF and UM was not electorally successful. Charles Bentinck Budd from Worthing was elected to West Sussex County Council as a Blackshirt local councillor in 1934. Ronald Creasy was elected as a BUF councillor to Eye Borough Council in the late 1930's. F.B. Price-Heywood a UM member was elected in northern England in the 1950's. Mosley polled 8% in North Kensington in 1959 which would have meant a saved deposit under present day electoral rules. I look forward to the future challenge of the NPE.

It is just a guess, but the National Front began as an alliance of petty nationalists, what we called 'the fringe'.
The BNP is a continuation of this tradition, full of people with limited vision and a narrow view of the world.
They will always be pygmies.

To get back on topic; the whole BNP crisis was a train crash waiting to happen, anything with Nick Griffin involved ends up with missing cash and expulsions of members.

I remember the NF/ITP/political soldier/Final Conflict/Gaddafi etc. etc. hoo-haa back in the 80's and 90's. Why is the British nationalist leadership so full of these pygmies?

Catholic,

The sectarianism that sneaks into distinctly British Nationalist organizations is something which I find mildly amusing. It really is anachronistic. I believe it is promoted for ulterior political reasons and has very little to do with saving the British way of life or even religion and has everything to do with securing British interests in Northern Ireland. Clearly, the majority of the folk that want to remain British in Northern Ireland tend to be mostly protestant, and hence, the reason for this anachronistic remnant of a former dead in the water epoch. The same political treason on religion is also utilized by those who want to make Northern Ireland part of the Irish mainland. I say this politics is treason because it has nothing to do with saving British people nor Irish people nor the people of Northern Ireland. Today, for example, when there is a peace Northern Ireland is awash with immigrants from the former and not former colonies. The other irony is that apart from religion the people are basically the same - or recognized as such. It is also mildly amusing to see modern movements play up to sectarianism and those same movements to gain inspiration from former movements that were never sectarian. Sectarianism won't save anyone and its something British Nationalists have to ride above for the good of the country- or at least its modern sanity.

Edited by author 23-01-2008 16:10
Griffin claims to have read ONE of Mosley's books given to him by his father. John Bean, according to George Thayer in his book The British Political Fringe, “joined and quit [Union Movement] all within two weeks, perhaps a record” (page 48). He has been anti-Europe ever since.
Asking the BNP to adopt a Europe a Nation position along with a non-hostile attitude towards Islam is like asking the Chief Rabbi to sing the praises of a pork chop.

Griffin read Mosley's books in his youth. John Bean editor of the BNP's 'Identity' magazine is a former member of Union Movement. The BNP should adopt O.M's policy of 'Europe a Nation' and cease hostilities against fellow European 'immigrants' and Islam. The BNP says it has members of Polish origin. Phil 'Doc' Edwards the BNP's former Press Officers' first wife was Polish. I wonder what they think of the current leadership's attacks on Poles and other kindred Europeans? I would agree that terrorism against innocent civilians by extremists is wrong whether Islamic such as the London bombings or Israeli State terrorism against Palestinians. We should not attack the Islamic religion for the actions of a tiny minority.Pulling British troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and support for an independent Palestine would remove much of the resentment of Muslims against the Christian West.

Zionism is not a religion but a political philosophy. And so, discussing Zionism is quite legitimate here.
We are, indeed, non-sectarian and do not promote one religion over another.

Obviously as a Catholic I believe Christianity to be the true path but I acknowledge that the Mosley movements were non-sectarian, religious belief being the personal choice of the individual. I am all for friendly relations and debate with Muslims and other world religions. Mosleyite is right, Zionism is a threat to world peace. Palestine should be given back to Arab Muslims and Christians.

"Tyndall was euro-sceptic but at least he wrote in 'Spearhead' magazine that, 'Islam is anti-Zionist so it can't be all that bad. Under my leadership the BNP will concentrate more on the threat to Britain and the West posed by Zionism and less on Islam'."

There are some points raised by the above posted by european.

(a) If you really scratch the surface you'll find that what is driving Islam to, if you like, go on the assault is Zionism. The two forces can't be separated. Zionism and Islam are at each other since the formation of the state of Israel. Partly, driven by Israel's refusal to recognize the state of Palestine even under UN Charter and political exploitation thereof. The fact is that this conflict has now spread out of the middle east to Islam's neighbors which is Europe and even across the pond. Therefore, the BNP is correct, in my view, of campaigning on the threat posed by the aggressive spread of Islam and it wins voter sympathy. In short, it is a vote winner.

(b) There is an enormous wall (bigger than the Chinese Wall) that would immediately appear if a political party, such as the BNP, just focussed on Zionism. It is a voter turn off. The BNP would literally creep along if it just focused on this issue. To even attempt to breach that wall you would need to adopt a strategy that took this into account. The electorate is just to hardwired to even contemplate what to some are conspiracy theories. This is not my view it is just pragmatism.

This is where it is best for me to exit out of this thread as I think I've said everything I've wanted to say I'd rather move into the Europe a Nation thread as I believe that is the future rather than dwell on.

Thank you for the invitation to participate in the Europe a Nation discussion topic.

The crisis in the BNP I find very interesting because it really is fulfilling a process that many believe, though with many the reasoning may at times appear suspect, occurs with any party of the third way that makes it on what has be termed the "mainstream". This is that eventually for rational or irrational reasons and pressures the party will implode. I think there should be vital lessons learned post implosion or post crisis otherwise any future formation will just repeat the same cycle and pattern.

Though I do believe that the BNP was eclipsed before it even started it nonetheless got it right in its ability to be perceived by voters as a credible alternative and "alternative" mainstream party.

Surely, voter perception and political pragmatism (such as, but certainly not limited to, exploiting the forces of immigration and cultural animosity) is the root to electoral success. I believe, the BNP, got this formula correct to varying degrees. It certainly ensured the image (which is everything in this technological climate) is correct. And some cynics would say, hence, the reasons for the implosion.

... Apologies had to stop here had other points to mention. Will visit again..

I oppose the BNP's anti-European, Islamophobic, pro-Zionist policies but they are one of the few parties who would stop coloured immigration. There are a few pro-Europeans in their ranks who have criticized the party's attacks on Poles and other fellow Europeans and Whites, in BNP publications. The British People's Party stands for Solidarity between European Patriots and is contesting West Leeds at the next General Election. The British Movement promotes a policy of 'Europe a Family'. However, all British Nationalist parties oppose the Union of Europe. Many in the BNP now say that Griffin is a wrecker and is only out for himself not his country or his party. Tyndall was euro-sceptic but at least he wrote in 'Spearhead' magazine that, 'Islam is anti-Zionist so it can't be all that bad. Under my leadership the BNP will concentrate more on the threat to Britain and the West posed by Zionism and less on Islam'. He also said he admired Mosley's pre-war policies.Oswald Mosley was a real Leader! What we need is a new party that stands for European Unity and against non-European immigration.

Perhaps Oscar Wilson Kennady would like to visit the Europe a Nation discussion group where his comments on Europeanism would be welcome: http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/Xbtn2ba7FPSj
I liked your comparison to the Welsh Nationalists. Anything anti-European would, in fact, become separatist. The BNP is, indeed, out of date simply because it clings to the past and fails to see the potential of Europe as a single powerful entity in economic and social terms.

Yes, it does make perfect logic. Everyone now knows that soon under the Lisbon Treaty a new Presidential role is shaping itself for the EU.

A statement made 60 years ago by Paul Henri-Spaak (1899-1972), the former Prime Minister of Belgium, the first Chairman of the General Assembly of the United Nations (1945), and one of the key founders of the movement toward European unity. He said: "We do not want another committee. We have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people, and to lift us out of the economic morass in which we are sinking. Send us such a man and, be he God or the devil, we will receive him."

Of course, the religious references, at the end, have to be taken with a pinch of salt. The whole process should signal a revival for The National Party of Europe.

After all, we now have a European President in the shaping. Parties such as the BNP would equate to the likes of the Welsh Nationalist Party in the Europe of tomorrow (or even today). The movement can't make headway that way because it has been eclipsed. In fact, 40 years ago.

Best wishes with the resurrection.

Edited by author 20-01-2008 16:23
Then hop over to the European Action forum where you will find friendly intelligent people with vision.
This differentiation between the EU and Europe is disingenuous. They hate both. The National Party of Europe WILL be resurrected.

It seems that I have been posting on the wrong forum. I should be on the one dealing with Europe a Nation. I am aware of the anti-Polish propaganda and I find it deeply offensive. Individual Euro-sceptics have told me that they object to the EU rather than Europe. But most of them are motivated by mean spirited, narrow minded petty nationalism. As I said, there is no party that I can support.

The alternatives are discussed on the following forum:
http://www.quicktopic.com/41/H/Xbtn2ba7FPSj
Even if the BNP were to adopt an anti-American policy, its dream of independence and sovereignty for Britain as an isolated trading entity is so unrealistic. Without the pre-war overseas resources of Empire, autarky for Britain is suicidal. That is why they cling to America ... utter fear!
Say yes to Europe ... but that would mean the end of nationalism as the political dinosaurs know it.
One last point re the BNP. You say, Bill, that you support its policy on stopping non-European immigration. But the BNP opposes entry to our fellow Europeans, also. Do you support that policy, as well?
Their attitude to Eastern Europeans is bordering on hysterical xenophobia.

I am older than 16 but I haven't changed my politics since then.
I was trying to make a point about capitalism. I agree with the BNP about stopping non-European immigration. I agree with the Labour Party on the Lisbon Treaty, with the Tories on health and pensions, and with the Libdems on the war in Iraq. But this doesn't mean that I support any of these parties or have any interest in them. I would support a party that seeks genuine independence from American-led capitalism. At the moment there is no such party. The old gang all support NATO and the BNP wants to keep American military bases here to protect us from the Germans.

Bill Baillie at 16? I thought he was much older than that!

Bill Baillie at 16 makes some sense here!

they should perhaps rid themselves of both factions and elect new people, making sure the party constitution disallows, and makes it impossible for anyone to use it as they please

The latest from Sadie Graham, Tuesday, 15 January 2008:

The British National Party will never grow in strength, organisation and numbers whilst Griffin is allowed to pervert and bend the rules with total impunity, and Collett and Hannam are allowed to damage the Party's internal stability and external reputation. We are committed to saving this Party, we will not be bullied or silenced by the lies spewed by Griffin and his cohorts. I am absolutley sickened by the actions and depths that he has sunk to protect himself. We only ever acted in the interests of British Nationalism, he has only acted in the interests of greed and self-interest.

Note the KKK gambling addict to the left of photo.

Edited by author 14-01-2008 07:37
I think UKIP is now moribund. Another one issue party down the pan.

Like I have previously stated, in my opinion, a "country party" ( not the country alliance as this is a lobby group ) should be formed. You have an historic conservative base that will in time remove seats from the usual suspects and have representation in parliament. The, as time recedes and the public are used to it, enter the cities.

First objective is to knock off those morons in the democrats! Bugger UKIP, not worth worrying about.

Edited by author 13-01-2008 14:55
Mungo - apparently, Sharon Ebanks is far from 'retired', very much politically alive and well and running the following lively forum:
http://www.fos4us.com/

The anti Muslim campaign being waged by the far-right is essentially the same as the anti Jewish propaganda of The Protocols. The conspiracy is the same. "They" are plotting to enslave us in a global empire. "They" hate us because of generations of persecution. ect, ect. In fact there are Jews, Muslims, Christians and people of no religion involved in global capitalism. An unfair system that makes some countries poor in order to make others rich. The world is evolving towards a geopolitical distribution of power and resources. But so long as we are tied to America this will be delayed and frustrated by greed and corruption.

If you are all so against the BNP why dont you get together and create your own party.
Probably best not invite Sharon as she has retired, oh and shes not one of us apparently

Thanks for that, Mark. The Protocols of Zion were condemned as a forgery decades ago. The point of the 'Protocols of Mohammed' is to illustrate the absurdity of some conspiracy theories, fabricated to reinforce a prejudice.
That the Protocols reflect much in Herzl's Zionism is essential in order to lend some credibility. Someone once said that if they are a forgery then they are the nearest thing to what is actually going on in the world.
The 'Protocols of Mohammed' have no basis in fact, whatsoever. Pure spoof.

Sharon Ebanks 10
"Well, what can one say about the BNP that the picture above doesn't already do?"
_______________________________________________________________
Indeed, Sharon, the expression of pure contempt is unmistakable.

Edited by author 13-01-2008 03:00
Perhaps, the THE PROTOCOLS OF MOHAMMED are indeed false; I had never even heard of such a thing until now. Still, I have wonders about the "Protocols of Zion." If you've ever been to papurec.org , the link on the left-side entitled "Fundamental Docs" is quite interesting, as it shows the text of an old U.S. War Dep't document that compares certain quotes from the Protocols of Zion to that of Herzl's ideology, exhibiting some very similar ideas. Of course, the long-heard argument is that the Protocols of Zion are merely a fraud, supposedly contrived by the French satirist Maurice Joly. Still, he himself said that he was not the originator of such ideas, and they appear to be a long-held plan as old as recorded history itself. Could the Zionists be behind some sinister plot; do bears poop in the woods?

Does anyone else think that Mr. Griffin is looking a bit "chunky" nowadays? Sign up that boy on Weight Watchers!

Well, what can one say about the BNP that the picture above doesn't already do?

THE PROTOCOLS OF MOHAMMED AND THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ISLAM

The Protocols of Mohammed are a notorious Zionist forgery concocted by Norman Podhoretz, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle. They purport to describe a mythical Islamo-fascist conspiracy to rule the world. The Protocols of Mohammed are played every night on Fox News by the likes of Sean Hannity, John O'Reilly and Neal Cavuto. Katie Couric regards them as the new Mein Kampf.
 
The Protocols of Mohammed, although a forgery, do have a certain surface plausibility. The history of communism and Arab Zionism in Palestine form the evidentiary basis. As all students of the subject know the original Soviet commissars were 50%-90% Arab. Leon-Trotsky-Abdullah, Yankel Sverdlov-Hussein and Kamenev-Auda-Abu-Tay are but a few of the Arab commissars hiding behind Russian pseudonyms. The Islamic background of communism has been thoroughly covered up by the Arab infested western media through the Svengali of mass communications, Haj Amin al-Spielberg al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Hollywood. Arab Zionism in Palestine also provides clear evidence of international Islamic influence. Who could possibly believe that powerless Arabs could manipulate the powerful British Empire into issuing a declaration in favor of an Arab 'national home' in Palestine over the objections of the centuries old Jewish farmers of the land unless Arab influence in the world's capitols was real? What, other than provable Islamic influence at the top, could have motivated the British to betray their brave comrades who led the Jewish 'revolt in the desert' against the Ottoman Turks? Then there were all those Jewish delegations to London in the early 1920's by such as Musa-al-Hymie, who tried to persuade His Majesty's Government of the justice of the Jewish cause. They got nowhere because Arthur James Balfour and David Lloyd George were in the pockets of the Arab Zionists.
 
The poor Jews in Palestine got nowhere by rioting in the 1920's and 1930's. The British sent out their investigating commissions but still let the invading Arabs continue to pour into Palestine, fired with the dream of restoring the Caliphate to Jerusalem. The Arabs had not forgotten their cunning, even as they promised 'equal treatment' to theJews. The Arab controlled media, as outlined in the Protocols of Mohammed, covered up all this so that when the Arabs started assassinating English officials in 1946, the British and the Jews became the bad guys, not the Arabs. The Arabs had almost been exterminated in Nazi 'gas chambers' so this gave the Arabs the right to make war on, and expel, the Jews who were the legitimate owners of the land. The fact that the Jews had nothing to do with the 'gas chambers' was beside the point. When the United Nations convened during Thanksgiving week, 1947, to decide whrther to partition Palestine between Arabs and Jews, agents of international Islam, such as Herbert Bayard Swami, Bernard Nasser-Baruch and Robert Nathan Nashashibi pressured the General Assembly into voting for partition, much against their will. The Learned Elders of Islam forgot they were a fiction, at that crucial juncture of history.
 
After the 1948 war, the mythical Learned Elders of Islam danced with joy. Moslems all over the world rejoiced that the Jews had been driven into the desert and their country stolen from them. The state of Abdullah had a 'right to exist'; the Jews in their miserable United Nations refugee camps did not. The Protocols of Mohammed were still considered a forgery even as dozens, perhaps hundreds, of Islamic communists began infiltrating the American State and Reasury Departments, post-World War Two. Names such as Harry Dexter Ibn Saud Weiss, Nathan Gregory Silverswami and Irving Peress Prince Ali began cropping up everywhere. The horrid anti-Islamic demon, Senator Joseph McCarthy, began a vicious anti-Islamic campaign to deprive these gentlemen of Islam the right to function as agents of the Arab commissars while working as U.S. officials. The hidden Islamic control of the media went into full gear. Senator Joseph McCarthy was demonized and destroyed, even though he was completely correct. The state of Abdullah, the 'only democracy in the Middle East' became so powerful that it completely controlled the U.S. Congress through the American-Abdullah-Public Affairs-Committee (A.A.P.A.C.) The Abdullahs could attack any Jewish state in Arabia under the pretense that they were fighting 'Jewish terrorism'. They could even get the State Department which they had infested in McCarthy's time to issue regulations making it a crime to make perfectly true statements about Arabs creating communism.
 
Clearly, the Protocols of Mohammed are a forgery. People who see Moslems everywhere, like people who detect Moslem influence in the world's events, are certifiably off their rockers.

Nick Griffin in full flight

From Enough is Enough Blog:

Voice of Change is the name of the newly launched independent pressure group to help bring about the leadership challenge and to provide support and resources for patriots who wish to stand as candidates in local elections throughout 2008.
A new web site will be launched in mid-January as the main publicity operation of the new group.
We ask everyone to renew their BNP membership for 2008 but as far as promoting the BNP “brand” is concerned it is case of temporarily ceasing activity, a campaign of minimum maintenance to keep units together, even if just on a social basis.
Local political work, however, that is not overtly party-political, needs to be stepped up in order for us to continue to sink roots in our local communities and plant the seeds that will ensure the future victory of our cause.
The foundation of the existing deceitful and corrupt cabal is money and in order to bring about change it is essential to starve Central HQ of funds. Therefore we call on members not to make donations to central office above and beyond the membership fee.
Everyone has a fundamental choice regarding their own position but individuals who stand on, promote and fund the Griffin BNP by default support the bugging of officials, illegal entry of homes, theft of personal possessions, threats of violence, immorality, perversion, incompetence in staff, lies and smears, witch hunts against members the leadership don't like, mismanagement and wastefulness of funds and personnel, unconstitutional sackings and expulsions, a tyrannical approach and decades of anti-Semitic and Neo-Nazi baggage the Party cannot afford to carry if it aims to be a serious political party.
Voice of Change have arranged a meeting in Nottinghamshire on 27th January for concerned party members and officials to attend.

It has just been activated. Try it.

lol! Where are the facilities for pics ?

Edited by author 12-01-2008 14:55
So I gather. It was all the fault of Bentley Turbo and that filthy language. We will have none of that here.
I will let you know when I go to Tesco's.

Well, Mike's back from Tesco's and not happy.

Welcome to the new thread on the crisis within the BNP. This replaces the thread run by Mike Smith of the CDA.
This is an open and democratic forum so please keep it clean and interesting.