Andy,

I thought you were going to upload the jim donini poster to the site?

rob.

How do!,f

Fell off my bike at the weekend, mashed my back up. Still a bit crook so not tonight I'm afraid.

Andy.

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Ed,
You spinning tonight?
rob.

Now that the Pump & Tap could be closing on the 23rd November, does anyone have any SENSIBLE suggestions for the well attended monthly pub meet?

New book on Swimming

For anyone interested in the joys of openwater swimming...

A keen swimmer & windsurfer whom I know from King Lear lake, Watermead, has spent the past decade researching swimming in Britain. His new book contains a chapter devoted solely to swimming in Leics & is well worth a read. Can get signed copies if anyone would like one http://www.hungouttodry.co.uk/

Spinning Class 7:30 P.M - At David LLoyd's at Meridian - £6.

I guess that you have seen Zoe's email but if not from this Friday there is a group going on the bikes at David LLoyd's at Meridian. Details above.

28th Aug Friday nite road biking from phil Westons house 7pm prompt.
29 Orchard Way Syston LE7 2AL

Not sure if there is any road biking arranged for this Friday (28th Aug)?.
If there is can u ring me so that i can put it on the activity page.
Anybody wishing to host a ride please give me a ring.

H1cK4z

Charnwood Hills Race

I'll ask the guys, but i don't think that a date has been set yet. But if you are looking to put a date in your calendar you can virtually gaurantee it will be the first Sunday in Feb 2010. So that would be the 7th of Feb.

Hi
Early I know but do you have a date for the 2010 Charnwood hills race?

Many thanks

CB

Any one going to the Peaks this or next weekend doing climbs up to VS? I can provide transport if needed.01509 269703 late evenings.

uFNSOm

Hi There,

We would like to make you aware of 2 new accommodation options for your trips to Snowdonia, namely

the Tyddyn Du Bunkhouse http://www.bunkhouse-tyddyndu.co.uk

and the Pant Teg Bed and breakfast.http://www.pantteg.co.uk


Would you be so kind as to distribute to members of your club. Many thanks,

Bob Doyle
Tyddyn Du Farm
Gerlan
Bethesda, Gwynedd.
LL57 3UB
01248 600 670
AND
Bryan Roberts
Llety Pant Teg B&B
Pant Teg,Tregarth,Bangor,Gwynedd
LL57 4AU
tel 01248 602 248
mobile 07879898399

any one going to the peak tomorrow ?

Brian 07825 065419

Edited by author 06-13-2009 01:18 PM
Hi there. At the recent BMC area meeting one of your guys mentioned Bowline putting on a winter lecture/talk and so as we didn't clash, I'd let him know when Hinckley MC were doing ours. I can confim that HMC have now booked Andy Kirkpatrick for Thurs 21 Jan (@ Lutterworth Grammar).
All welcome. Please pass on the info to your committee. Thanks.

PS. Anyone interested in Chamonix? We have space in our chalet for 2 people(w/c 11 July) @ £85 per person/ per week (for 2 weeks) or 1 person any week out of the four (W/c 11/ July. All twin rooms; s/c; big garden).

ALL - I have one space left on a Lundy trip that's going on.

Dates are as follows: 16th to the 20th of June.

£96.00 for accomodation and ferry. (This is in the Old Barn)

If anyone's interested let me know ASAP!!!

Luv Barra! xx ©™

Andy - Further to our conversation in Cornwall I have passed on your phone number to a HMC member (Maureen) who may be interested in the Bowline Dolomites trip.

I hope this is not a problem for you?

Luv Barra! xx ©™

ALL - I'm thinking of going to North Wales for a spot of climbing this weekend if anyone's interested?

No plans as to where or what yet, I just know I fancy North Wales.

Let me know if you fancy?

Luv Barra! xx ©™

Edited by author 05-21-2009 10:06 AM
Hello All,

I am contacting you to let you know we have a climbing store in Hinckley. We have an extensive range for Wild Country, Red Chili, DMM, Petzl and Beal ropes in stock. Plus we can get almost anything in to order, normally next day.

We also have a small bouldering wall in store. (ideal for testing rock shoes)

I would like to offer all your members a in store/ over the phone Discount.

All they need to do is let us know they are a member of the Bowline climbing Club and we will give them 10% off. This includes everything in store, not just climbing gear.

We also shock Clothing and footwear, Snowboarding, wakeboarding, kite surfing, mountain boarding, inline skate equipment. Including wetsuits, watches, sunglasses etc.

For the families among you we also have a great range of children’s clothing from ANIMAL.

Anyway, I would be really grateful if you could pass this information on to your members and we look forward to maybe meeting some of them too.

Kind Regards

Andy

P.s Please check out our website

www.bornextreme.co.uk

All -

Can anyone going down to Cornwall this weekend offer me a lift?

Luv Barra! xx ©™

ROAD BIKING TONIGHT - 6:30 P.M. FROM DOG & GUN IN KILBY - WEATHER PERMITTING

Hi
We are a oficial representative Lhotse trading company.Lhotse is the Polish leading rock climbing equipment manufacturer. Lhotse has been making premium quality equipment for climbing since 1991. We have many climbing products,such as harnesses, nylon sling, dyneema sling,cordura rope bags, chalk bags, crash pads, etc. Welcome visit our site www.climbingterekpl.co.uk

NO CYCLING TONIGHT ON TUESDAY 5TH MAY

CYCLING TONIGHT - POSTED 17:50 BY A RAILTON- ok IT IS CLEARING UP A BIT WILL GO TO D & G AT KILBY FOR 6:30 TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE TURNS UP.

MTB RIDE TUESDAY 21ST APRIL

Hi if anyboy's interested going for a MTB ride 6 p.m. sharp at Willoughby Waterleys.

Contact Andy on 07894 533629

Running 7 o'clock sharp from the church in Croft PP says its a good hilly run he says the church is easy to find its the tall stone building next to the Heathcote Arms Pub.

Is there any running organised tonight. Zoe Flemming has suggested Bradgate but not sure if there is a plan already?

There are now 27 routes at Charnwood Quarry ranging from S through to E5. the majority of the climbs are between S - HVS. These are all on the smaller tiers to the left of the main slab. They are all well protected on sound rock. There are still loads of lines to be done. Iain has updated his topo on UK climbing, all the new routes from the weekend are now shown.

              Why are people still going down the wall?
           The weather is good and the clocks have changed;
               DON'T GO DOWN THE WALL! GO OUT SIDE!!
The club should get down to Charnwood Quarry for some new routing action. There is loads to do and none of it will be very hard. The South West side of the quarry is made up of slabs all of them between 10-15m. There is a bigger slab; 40m, but this has already been developed. You can se what has been done if you look at Iain Mackenzie's photos on UK Climbing. He has posted a topo. His photos are under the name; BigMac. I will probably be down there tonight and will be down the club tonight as well. If people are up for it tommorow i will probably turn up then to.

Are we still at The Pump & Tap tomorrow?

 you mentioned how to develop and improve on this issue, I used to talked
with my friend before, but no consequense, so I have strong feeling when i
see your words
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AGM motion to increase minimum age of membership to 18.

Personally I don't have an issue with raising the minimum age for someone to be a member in their own right, particularly as I believe it is to ensure we are compliant with insurance an legal requirements?

However, I think our 'family' or 'joint' membership needs clarifying. My issue is that having taken out BMC family insurance, which asks me to confirm that all insured parties are members of my affiliated club, I need to be sure that all family members are covered. The time to find out is not when your child breaks their leg skiing!! Is my 12 year old daughter a Bowline 'member' or not?

Could clarification on this point be sought by committee prior to the AGM please? We will then be clear of the implications when we vote on this proposal.

Thanks.

CHARNWOOD RACE PHOTOS

Hi folks got some photos of you guys running the race plus some other photos on the CHR website under the gallery link

REMINDER TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS

Commmittee Meeting Tomorrow Night 7:30 p.m. at Proton Water premises Kibworth

Want a £3k road bike? LOL

Was that your credit card details loz?, new bike on you then eh!?. ;-)
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what are Ross and Max going on about then?

Hi guys,
Lovely to meet some of you last night. And thanks for the messages that miraculously appeared in front of my eyes now. Unfortunately work is a pain in the a*** but I will def be back (wall and pub) week after next. Cheers!
:o)
K

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Thats what i think!!!!!

Charnwood Hills Race
Well done and thank you to all the organisers and helpers it was a top class event again and all seemed to run very smoothly.

I may be around for the wall on monday afternoon. My email is dimediciAThotmailDOTcom if you're free.

Hi Kat

There might be someone going to a wall over the weekend, probably best to give me a call on 07709 337976. It would be tomorrow if we do go, as there is a race on Sunday that most of us are either marshalling at or taking part in. Failing that, as Ed says, the Pump and Tap on Wednesdays is a good crowd!

Zoe

Hi kat,

There's a group that go down on a Thursday if you manage to read this in time (and can make it). Maybe see you there.

Failing that pump and tap, braunstone gate on wednesdays (at min). Probably best get down about 9 Ish.

Ed.

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Hi, my name is Kat. I am new to Leicester, a reasonably experienced climber and would love to go down to the wall regularly to get a bit fitter, until the lack of daylight/freezing temperatures issues abate a little outdoors. (I don't love walls generally but I confess to erring on the side of being a fair weather climber; walking in blizzards is fine but I find I fall off the cliff if I can't feel my fingers)
I will come to the pub next wed but was wondering if anyone might be going to the wall on Monday or tuesday before then, and if I could join? Thanks!
K

Hi Tony

Ideally, if you can get your registration in the 1st class post today, then you can pick up your number on the day. We do prefer pre-registration, but if you really can't then turn up on the day itself. Look forward to seeing you then!

Hi, Can you enter for Charwood 14 mile running race on the day, or must you enter in advance? Tony

Garry,

Yes don't worry yes you can still turn up, we register everybody on the day of the race.

Sir
i have entered the 14 mile Charnwood Hills event in a few days time - unfortunately I have lost my race number that was posted out - can I still turn up and find my number ! garry barnes sphinx ac many thanks

Come on Max, I'm so busy I can't imagine how I could ever fit 'work' into the 'working day'.

Dave

I think this all that sounds great ideasfrom Dave. On the comitee we need people like Dave and Chris who have more time on there hands to organise and direct the club it is not easy without the time to dedicate to do something well.

Happy Xmas everyone

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Nadolig LLawren ... to all our readers!

I see sponsorship of a competition as part of an overall strategy to get younger people into the club. How young? Too young and they don't stay and anyhow we have little to offer them. Too old and it's the same age problem. If Robin is willing to organise a competition and it can be done a lowish cost, much to my amazement (and I suspect PP's) I think we should support it. That said, I think we need three things in place before going down that route, or indeed any other attempts actively to increase the membership:

a) a new, stable website that is really interesting to all;
b) a stable base in the city, pub, time and day of the week;
c) some connection with the local wall, such as advertising posters.

I have written to the Mercury to see if they are interested in a regular 'climbing' column. They seem to do most other sports ... but we'd need to ensure that we kept it up, so suggestions for topics are welcome.

Another lecture series wouldn't be a bad thing either.

As we found many years ago when something called COLSARC tried to get people in Leicester into active sport, taking out 'beginners' is tricky. The load can fall on just one or two volunteers, the people might not be anyone's 'cup of tea' and there may also be insurance complications hat we'd need to clear through BMC. That said, it's a good idea --- I reckon that a key elemnt would simply be getting people to the hut for a convivial time on the hills.

All of this I think, if we are really serious (are we? Does it matter?) also means that the committee needs to meet more frequently than of late.

Bleddyn Newydd Dda

Dave Unwin

Count me in for helping take new potential members climbing in Wales on real rock. I think this is a winner if we are going to try to attract new members and show them what the Bowline is about.


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For what its worth, climbing competitions are not where it is at personally for me, but I would support Robin if he was still keen to hold a climbing competition at the wall, as I think it would raise the profile of the club within local climbing.

Some people don't seem that keen to promote climbing at all, even though they are pushing the club as multi-disciplinary!

I would also support the idea PP suggested, which was to use the Hut as a venue to hold taster type weekends for people who haven't climbed much outdoors before. This could also be promoted at the wall and similarly would help to raise the profile of the climbing arm of the Bowline. The wall 'culture' is key when it comes to meeting potential new climbing members.

Peace and goodwill to all Bowliners, Zoe.

Sorry I could'nt resist it but I'm in total agreement with Maxs' comments on climbing competitions.Over to you Robin.

I'll resist having a pop at climbing competitions as I'm sure you all know my feelings on the subject.
Next years mountain bike meet, any ideas?
We need good accommodation and a new area. It would be nice to have some input and help with this so get your thinking caps on, do some research and get back to me please. The Bowline catering corp will handle the meal on sat evening,but we do need a reasonable kitchen. If someone can sort a venue I will be more than happy to help sort an interesting course.
I still have apair of medium sub 4 running bottoms and a medium black Berghaus micro fleece from last years meet. If they are yours get in touch.Merry xmas all, love PP

Climbing Competition

To me this is a strange one I am not really for or against the idea I just don't personally want any part of it. I have been competing all my life but the thing that draws me to rockclimbing is the fact that you are only competing against yourself the satifaction and adventure of getting up a route has been my goal what ever the grade.

I consider indoor climbing as a completly different sport. I do understand that if you want to climb at the limits of your physical ability then you need that type of rock gym to get fit and good luck to all those that enjoy it.

Give me the mountains any day.

Rob beat you to it Ross, it was discussed last night.

On a personal note although I have no interest myself in climbing comps I am fully supportive of anybody that wishes to devote time and effort in promoting their club.

I know this has been a controversal issue in the past but i hope everybody else can adopt a similar attitude.

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Climbing competition?

Please respond with your thoughts do you think it is a good idea.
 Most of us do think it is worth doing but I believe that there may be some objections.

We have a real chance to expose the club to potential new members thats worth any expense or time for the club.

Thanks

Hi Clair

Its on Sunday, &#A3;15/head for 3 course meal afterwards. Start at 11 sharp from Church Langton, circular route, one for runners, one for walkers. I don't know the distances or routes as I'm not the organiser, sorry! Its always a good laugh though, and there is still space for the food I think. Ring me if you need to - 07709 337976. Zoe

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not sure if its worth bothering only 17 miles and no hills ;-)

Edited by author 12-04-2008 04:28 AM
i herd it was about 17 miles starting at 11 which means there will be no time for slackers and slow coaches, you know what they say; if you can't keep up.....

Can someone please provide information on the Chairmans walk. As I don't receive any emails from you. How far is it etc etc.

Well done Ed for the effort in trying to find a new wednesday night pub venue for the Bowline. Its a shit job but someone has to do it and it makes a change from me.Joking apart it is vital to get this club together on a weds night.If we carry on running the club solely on e-mail I fear it will eventually fall apart.So good hunting and whichever you decide on in the town you will have my full support.

Swan and Rushes Pub Report

You may know I have started the quest to look for the perfect Bowline pub.
Dun dun da da, dun dun da da, de delo do, de dela do....... etc, etc (Mission Impossible theme for those of you that think I've lost it)

Parking - Crap, there's a snooker club across the road and so parking is very limited.

Access - Brilliant, city centre , opposite the LRI with good links to all the major roads in/out of the city.

Beers - Excellent, loads of guest and speciality beers, as you would expect from a CAMRA recommended pub.

Staff - Not very friendly and a distinct lack of breasts, unless you're into man boobs.

Atmosphere - It's busy but I'm not sure if that's because Wednesday is the night the Dungeons and Dragons club come down for a pint and a natter about elves and shit. The average age must be about the same as Gandalf.

In conclusion this would probably fit in with some of the members of the Bowline, but for me the lack of parking and the excess of facial hair of the customers (including the women, well the one woman), make this a no no for me.

MISSION FAILED

This Wednesday we'll be trying the Black Horse in Aylestone (which has been recommended to us). Feel free to join us, we had 6 down on last Wednesday.

This e-mail will self destruct in..... blah blah and all that crap.
De Daaaaaaaaa.


The writers would like to confirm that no Bowliners have been harmed or slagged off in the writing of this e-mail.

Yep I am sure, mtb ride today was great. Well done Jan and Simon. The bowline is a good multi sport club, and hopefully I will be able to contribute to making it fun for everyone. Anyone fancy running from Lutterworth Monday 24th?

Clair - Are you sure you want to join ?

  I read somewhere that the Bowliners were a load of pansies that got their butts kicked by a bunch of hippies......

Edited by author 11-20-2008 05:17 PM
I would like to apologise for calling Zoe a big bum. Plus she does a good job as meet-sec.

Ps.Her bum is not big, it's huge!

Public Apology to Howard Pymm. I would like to say I am sorry for the offensive email I sent him it was not called for. I would also like to thank him for all the hard work he does for the club. I have never had a problem being an arse!

I definately do not disapprove of peoples superior fitness. I just think a club should be able to accommodate everyone, training can be done in such a way for everyone to enjoy and improve their fitness. I also think you'll find I do a fair amount of training, the munros did not climb themselves, I run and cycle every week, yesterday 21 of us did 37km on and off-road, when the slower ones got left behind on the hills at the next turning they all waited, if anyone had a mechanical issue everyone waited and helped with torches, the bowline would not do that it seems to be fend for yourself. Everyone has to start somewhere not all of us were born hanging from a karabiner on a climbing wall.

I thought it was a about time, that I made a comment, not that I am a member yet, perhaps that says something. I have been around on and off for the last four years and keep coming back to have another go with the Bowliners, but to be frank I never feel fit enough to join. If it were not for a few members I would have given up. So you ask why do I keep trying well for one you are a great multi-sport club, you meet at a variety of venues for different activities, but why have I not joined? The answer to this is simple, why bother traveling to cycle or run to have company and then end up cycling or running on your own.

I thought the idea of joining a club is to meet like minded people and train together. Most members of the bowline have such egos that all they want to do is go hell for leather and burn everyone else off. I don't think that your motto of "if you can't keep up f*** off" encorages many especially females. If you want to race, there are a variety of races throughout the year for running, road cycling and mountain biking.

I have recently joined a local mountain biking club who have completly the opposite attitude. They also hold races where you can let rip if you want to, but club nights are just that friendly rides for everyone.

As far as the climbing wall goes, I am not much of a climber more of a hillwalker / mountaineer, but the wall is a great place to meet prospective members, but the key also is to have an well attended meets agenda. Another mountaineering club I belong to is away every other weekend varying locations from Wales, Lakes, Scotland, Yorkshire. Most of the meets are full and people do a mix of climbing and walking. Meeting in a pub is good for a social get together and needs to be somewhere easy to get to have good parking etc. But for me, it is not the be all and all especially with the internet. A website with a current meets list is essential as is a forum which has sections for meets, during the week, etc for members to post what's going on and arrange other activities on the spur of the moment.

I want to join a local multi-sport club, that is friendly, helps beginners improve, encourages new members, has an busy itinery, and is good value. I don't want to travel miles and then spend the time alone.

So there are my thoughts. Ps I will be joining at the start of the next club year.

Clair

Edited by author 11-18-2008 09:49 AM
 Robin and Ed are right We have to encourage new memebrs. The wall is the place to do it and a climbing type event would be a good one to add to the other two. People who want to get into the outdoors will naturally graviate to the wall and hence as Edd and Rob said, will follow other paths afterwards. The club needs to support a climbing event it is only natural, the format is already set you can use the one from last time it was a success. People get into clubs via events as it provides the ideal cataylist to meet like minded people not just rock jocks!
It seems that the climbing wall phobia that predominates is a short sited view, it is a means to an end and only represents a change in the direction of the sport and other social factors. If the majority of the club feels that the wall is a bad thing for the club, then we have little hope, if the majority are for the wall it's a no brainer we should not have a valuable opportunity for growing the climbing club slip away(again)

Perhaps we need some 'written in stone' events that happen every year i.e. the hills race, mtb meet etc that are different to the dinners, that cover all areas of the sport's we do and covered in local press etc. See some ideas below:

Anual Climbing Comp
Anual Long distance walk e.g Shap to raven glass etc mid wales mountain walk.
Anual run climb run. like the Edges race
Any races entered as a club e.g 24 hr mtb race, high peak challange, any off road bi/triathalons, charity ride walks.
Try and break some of the clubs own records. i.e no of routes on stanage in a day etc.

You can go on and every body will have there own ideas. The main idea is that folk can join in our group to get in the outdoors or see how active we are and come on board.

PUB REPORT

As promised a report on the Pump and Tap

Beer - Good choice of real ales with a regular guest ale
Parking - Loads and loads in the MFI car park opposite
Accessibility - centrally placed just off the central ring road
Room? - Two rooms, the Bowline could soon muscle in and claim a room Atmosphere - Real traditional pub BUT average age of people in the is in their 30's so no good for the Bowline!

MISSION FAILED

Will report my findings with the Swan and Rushes after our visit to the climbing wall this Wednesday.


PP

Whilst I agree with you about the climbing wall bar as venue for the Bowline pub I feel your comments on climbing walls are seriously outdated. Last Wednesday when we where there in the lead wall area the room was full of people my around my age (mid to late 30's), all talking about looking forward to getting to Scotland this winter and what they did at the weekend, NOT skinny 18 year olds pasty white through lack of sunlight.
We have a problem recruiting new younger members, I recognised that 8 years ago when I was chairman, Dave agreed in an earlier posting, with possibly the 2 youngest members having an opinion the "senior" members should be listening to them, aligning with them, encouraging them and tempering them if necessary, not deriding them.

Rob is spot on about joining for climbing and moving onto other things, that's how it worked for me, I'm sure your history is similar. I don't know when these "rock jocks" where members, not in the last 16 years.

Ive just found the forum,its good to see everyone being helpfull and friendly to each other, why is it just the people that have to much spare time on there hands that write in these places. Oh well perhaps have a look again next November.

Edited by author 11-16-2008 08:08 AM
P.P

I’ve given up trying to get people to join the club as the only the thing the club has to offer for young climbers is the hut.
I have never said that the club should be exclusively aimed at climbers; I have simply suggested ways in which it could try to make itself appeal to climbers as well as people with an interest in all the other activities that members are involved in. As the club stands it makes no effort at all to try and inspire young climbers to join. However, it does do a good job at waving the flag when it comes to mountain biking and running by way of your mountain bike meet which is always well attended and surrounded by a real buzz, and the Charnwood Hills race which is now established as a high quality event. These events put the name of the club on the map and runners and bikers are aware of the club’s presence. There is nothing like this for climbing. An annual climbing event organised by the club similar to the one me and Ross arranged would fill this gap and would probably help to draft young climbers into the club. They may initially join the club solely for climbing but chances are as they get too old to climb some of them after hearing what else the club has to offer will broaden their horizons and turn in to bikers and ramblers, like you did.

I feel I must reply to Robins comments about climbing walls,Max and just what is a Bowliner.
First Max who can be like a bull in a china shop at times but he has the club at heart as do many of the senior members who devote a lot of their time to the club.Max has got it right when he says the Bowline is about getting out and doing thngs together.
In my experience of nearly 40 years in the club I've seen many rock jocks like yourself come and go.D'ont get me wrong,I applaud your ability and ehthusiasm,but the ones who concentrate solely on rock climbing usually burn out and contribute little to the club.The ones who do stay are the ones who have a love of the mountains and outdoors and they join in with the clubs other activities,cycling,mountain biking,running,orienteering,hill walking and mountaineering.These are the true Bowliners rarther than being a member of the Bowline.
I think you'll agree with me if I called you obsessive about your climbing but its not the be all and end all of the club.With your philosophy if someone who did'nt climb but loved the mountains wanted to join the club they would'nt be allowed because they are not cutting edge!
In the dark ages we accepted anyone,even your dad and we went away as a club together, supporting club meets.How many have you attended this year?
If you want to swan about with a load of prima donnas down the climbing wall fair play to you, and if you were doing your job as a committee member we should be unindated with new members,but where are they?
Its easy to sit on the sidelines and snipe but you should get involved a bit more and support your club meets.
As far as climbing competitions go we'll leave that to the BMC,let them get their fingers burnt!
I look forward to your comments,the committee meeting should be good

Edited by author 11-10-2008 09:27 AM
Can't we just let Zoe Big-Bum nee Pickering arrange a venue and then moan about it and her as we do with climbing meets?

Had you down for the Squash Captian

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It all depends what the cause is Max, personally i think my input was sound with the best interest of the club in mind. Your right about your comments though they don't seam to be getting us anywhere! I thought you were going to sort this club out? Since you've been on the scene were now talking of changing the name of the club so that its vagueness will allow memberst to feel good about not getting much done! Just because your cracking mate don't drag the rest of us down with you! Next they'll be a squash division within the club and you will be the captain!!

Can someone let me know who looks after our web site I'd be interested to know about how it gets edited and how it is hosted thanks David Connolly you can email me at dcmobile@hotmail.com

Congrats to Ed and Zoe look forward to the party!!!!! Best Wishes xx

Good to see some progress, keep the momentum going. Everyone isn't going to agree on every point but as long as we all are heading in the right direction it'll be ok.

On a lighter note, I proposed today to Zoe on top of Sgurr Fhuaran in Glen Shiel, and she said yes!.

So party next year, all invited.

Ed.

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On 8 Nov 2008, at 17:44, QT - Max <qtopic-41-AiBt3A5H6XNhZ@quicktopic.com > wrote:

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Dear All

Thanks for all the input over the last few weeks and Months. Membership is our main long term problem and definitely needs to be addressed I admit mine and Robins opinions do not help this cause much so Rob and myself have to moderate ourselves and help the club grow that means we have to help and encourage new members not kill them off.

Some points:

a) AGM please can every body make sure they attend so we can vote on some of the following important points. Date TBC Do not worry you will not get a job if you do not want one.

b) BMC membership. It is now time to pull out of the BMC affiliation and except that we are a multi activity club. The BMC subs are to high for the the benefit of the majority of the club membership. The active climbers can get individual membership. We can get alternative insurance cover.

c) Pub venue lets get the members to vote and then stick to it for that year.

d) Web site lets get a professional company to do this it may cost a few thousand but it will be money well spent.

e) Change the name of the Bowline Climbing Club to just The Bowline


f) Lets just get out and do all the things we love doing together and have fun. This is our best way of attracting new members, they love the Bowline buzz if its walking , running , cycling, or even climbing.

Come on Max, you sound like a man who hasn't got the balls to get involved?!

Hi Everybody

Just back in the UK, seems that people have lots to say.

I had written some responses to previous posting but too Knackered to get into anything to heated there are more important things in life to worry about Family,Health,Work and then Bowline and I am sorry that my eye is of the ball at the moment other priorities have taken over.

All the best to everybody

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As a new member i was attracted to the club by many things - the people, the hut and the opportunity to take part in a wide range of outdoor activities. I am proud to be a member of this great club but If i had thought it was solely a climbing club i would probably not have joined, perhaps the club should look seriously at a name change, Bowline climbing, cycling & running club as an example.

It is clear that a debate that started about the wednesday night pub meet has raised a lot issues, there have been many good ideas put forward over the last couple of weeks that need to be discussed so Max, I would like to suggest that you call an EGM so that everybody has the opportunity to put there own ideas forward in person, decisions can be made and then hopefully we can move forward

Edited by author 11-07-2008 12:30 PM
P.P

You are stuck in the dark ages mate!
Climbing walls are the facility for climbers to achieve what the likes of people like yourself never managed to do! People use walls and get fit to climb harder than they could otherwise. E.g. my mate Ned spent time on the wall training and got strong. Due to this he recently won the British Bouldering Championships. Now he and his Sheffield mates have been going out and ground up soloing routes up to E8 7a. This is superb; they are raising the bar on what can be done in this style. This is a style that I’m sure you would think is superb and embodies all the ideals that you have about styles of ascent.
This is because of climbing walls.
 
The bar at Beaumont is an obvious place to meet for a climbing club based in the area. I know your going to say “it says in the clubs constitution.... foster a love of the mountains..." Let’s face it; you would have thought people would join a climbing club primarily because of an interest in climbing.
If we get some fresh posters made up to promote the club and put them up down the wall people will look at them, we will see them looking and we will say " yeah, good eh, that lot are meeting in the bar tonight" they will say "oh that's handy saves me having to drive anywhere else and maybe not bother. I’ll go down and join now then"
Easy.

Maybe the club should organise another climbing competition? This is an excellent way of putting our name about and maybe drafting in new members. When me and Ross did the last one we had a lot of very positive feedback from people who did the comp., everyone enjoyed it. Although we didn’t get any new faces down the club people will have become aware of the clubs presence in the area and maybe if the club had thought it worth doing another one we would have had some new members because of it.

Max,

Maybe its better that your messages are coming through the way they are! Your talk of core members and people who haven’t joined the debate yet not having big enough balls isn’t likely to help get things sorted. I would guess that if there are members reading this who haven’t commented yet that comments like that probably aren’t going to draw them in at all. All it does is risk pushing people away and dividing the club. Every member pays £15 so every member is as important as the next. Just because a few of you go out biking together doesn’t make you any more important than the rest of the club. Some people are understated and would rather just go out and do things instead of going on about it and trying to look tough all the time.

Unfortunately I will not be able to make the boring journey up the M5 in order to share my opinions with you next Wed, as suggested by Zoe. I have a prior engagement - so many black tie do's, so little time!
However, as an "outside" pair of eyes looking at the website, I would agree with the comments made by Ed - the site he mentions www.openadventure.com is worth looking at for ideas - it is easily navigable, has a fresh and interesting look and you can easily access the information you require. In comparison the Bowline site looks tired and contains very little information. What is on the site has been there for ages - surely more people are doing things than the small minority featured in the write ups of a limited number of meets/trips?
It's also really annoying - on any website - to click on pages and find they are not available and the blog is totally unnecessary.
If I was looking for what's on info I would want a one click and all the info is there button, it's not brilliant scrolling down to the bottom of a page to see what is happening tomorrow or being told to phone somebody to find out. Having said that someone obviously has to be prepared to do the updating work.
Anyway, I now hope to extricate myself from a debate that i never intended to enter in the first place!
I look forward to seeing the new site when it's up and running and if I hear of any under 50's who are thinking of moving to Leicestershire I'll point them in your direction!

Max's black berry works fine, he's so wound up he can't type!!!!!

(Only joking Max)

Dad,

I know you've got your spoon out but I think you missed the point about the wall bar. Perhaps you old hands could help to influence the wall types into the outdoor's. A old boozer it not the first place i'd look for an active climbing club if I wanted to start climbing or get into the out doors. How about a comprimise and find a pub near to the wall?

I'm up for the Pump & Tap next Weds - always liked that place, right from when it first installed 'loos with a view'!!

I'll see if I can get my mum to turn up from Devon too as she obviously has some opinions she wants to share! :-)

Hi everyone - Zoe's mum here, a.k.a Sue.
A few of you know me and those who do will recognise that the comments made by me in the message posted by Zoe were all made with tongue firmly in cheek - and made to Zoe - i had no idea she was posting the message and no intention of hijacking your discussion!
However, i was associated with the Bowline before Zoe was born (!) and so do keep an eye on what's going on, and for what it's worth I agree that your website is in dire need of an update and overhaul if you want to attract fresh blood. As for nobody ever agreeing on what to do and where to meet - nobody ever did.
PP suggests I try a black tie dinner sometime - actually, and coincidentally, I am at one tonight - an end of season do for one of the P1 speedboat racing teams. But that was really where I was coming from - if my age group are happy to attend black tie dinners, are younger potential members? I wonder, but am happy to be told - by them - that they are.
Sue

all I get from Max is goobledegook, can one of your Blackberrying nerds explain?

For what it's worth I agree with Ed on the website business.

a) can't we all define a spec, provide some content and then go to a designer who is sympathetic?
b) whatever else it needs a content management and editing system that anyone can use and, yes
c) an enthusiast - preferably more than one to give some future proofing--in the club to manage it.

Dave

There is quite a list and I would probably opt for scrapping and restarting again. Links that go nowhere, having to scroll to see the most upto date news and old articles on the home page are just a few comments.

Let's remember that it's 10 years old and dlb did a great job in setting it up, but technology moves at a fast pace and we need to keep up to inform existing and attract new members. Let's not forget we've also got the charnwood hills race website as well, and Leicestershire climbs, although I'm not sure where we stand with copy write on that site.

We are in an excellent position though to get good traffic, which surely if we give the right impression should result in potential new members.
This is a good example of a decent website

Www.openadventure.com

Clean, informative and easily navigateable.

A website though is only as good as it's content, so appoint a person (or persons) responsible for collating good content.

PP, pump and tap next Wednesday at about 10. I'll be there. I still go to the pub you know, not as much as I used to mind, Gordon brown and alister darling had something to do with that.

Max, dump that blackberry and get yourself an iPhone. Writing this on the M6 on the way to Scotland, is technology great eh?

Ed.

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To Sian

as part of my BMC rant earlier this year I had a look at a large number of similar club websites (well, 20 or so). You might like to do the same, simply go to the BMC website, find their PDF listing of affiliated clubs and then 'google' a few to get the web address.

Somewhere I have a list of feature that appealed, and I'll try to find it but it is somewhere hidden deep on my machine. I have to say that some desirable changes might need either professional help or simply 'reskinning' one we rip off from somewhere else that seems to do the business for us. We might also need to invest in a different server etc. I agree with Ed that this is vital , almost all the club has internet now. I happen to think we should have it in the hut ... but that's a different matter.

Dave Unwin

Just a few more stirs of the pot.
The bar at the climbing walls a no brainer Ross because it shuts early and I would prefer to attract outdoor types who want to climb rarther than indoor types who indulge in that strange new sport of artificial wall climbing.
Ed, nobodys falling out, its just healthy discussion. We are all still mates , its just a shame we are talking about it through this medium. I have an idea, why don't we meet on a weds in a pub somewhere and talk about it face to face? Town centre would be a good idea. Chris Page and myself wre in the Swan and Rushes last night, it was relatively quiet the beer was good and it was full of old men so the club would fit in well.
Zoes' mum, why should people be intimidated by a Black tie dinner. Its one night in the year we all get a chance to see each other dressed up, thats all . We are still the same people talking the same bollocks, its just nice to make the effort once a year,why not try it?
Must sign off as I'm off down to support the Bowline being as its club night.
    love PP

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Max, I think you've pulled!

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Even my mum is getting involved now!!!!! Here's what she has to say......

I have been reading the bowline debate - i often look at the site just to see what is going on - i think your pub should be central leicester with a regular day and no changes - it always seemed to work back in 1974!!! and if you are losing young members - or not getting them - then it should be a bit more user friendly for that generation - remember they are the tv and computers in their rooms generation - much softer than hard men like Max!! - on the whole they are intimidated by or have no idea what is expected of them at black tie events. And why can't Ross spell???!!!!!!

here here to you all.

Dave, my mention of the 'mafia' was not in personnal refernce to anyone just a group of people when they form in opposition to an idea.

I'm never going to fallout with anyone, just keen to make sure that some change actually does occur and that the whole thing blows over without actually getting sorted.

I've always been a supporter of the city centre pub, so Ed I hope you find a good one. The some of the large corp chain pubs (weatherspoons etc) all have to have real ale on tap, they all do good cheap food, and some will have to have a link to something in the local community i.e. a club or society as part of their targets, the the pub manager is any good they will always help out.

Here's a suggestion. Bar at the wall make's a lot of sense to stage the club night at, espically as it is in the climbing wall and hence near the outdoor type people we would like to attract. Also in the winter as it is near the circut training and in the summer near to the running etc. Thus people can still do their activities, the club gets more exposure in the outdoor sports arena a valuable local climbing resource is used. People will say:

1) The beer is rubbish.
  yes it is. But seeing as you cant drink and drive anyway, they do lovely class's of lemonade!

2) The parking is ant secure for cars or bikes.
  where is these days! Also how many folk ride to the pub in mid winter.

3) It's the wrong side of town.
   It close to all motorway and ring roads and you dont have to travel into the centre and it's serviced by regular bus routes.

I know there will be other objections but while we have the book open for suggestions this is a good one I think.
   

(Dave, as for my spelling, I blame the Thatcher goverment of my youth!)

It has been mentioned that someone is working on revamping the website and that person is me. Andy has described me as someone who works on websites professionally but i'm afraid my only experience is updating the website at work. I will however give it my best shot.

There has been a couple of comments about how the website needs improving but no suggestions as to how. I am very happy to try and improve it but it's very difficult to do when i'm not sure what it is you all want. If you have any ideas/suggestions for how you want the website improving please let me know.

Anyone want to go for a ride Saturday morning?

You've started something now Paul!.

One thing I will say to you all, that's Max, PP, Ross, Simon and whoever else is involved in this spat, it's not worth falling out over.

Dave's comment's should be heeded though, this pub business has opened up a bigger can of worms, I hope you've all got the mettle to follow it through to the end. I myself welcome a 'broad church', one of the Bowline's biggest strengths as far as I was concerned was its diversity.

The 'pub business' though was how this thread started so I have some more observations/opinions. As far as I can see for decades the pub used to be based in the city centre, the Swan and Rushes, Town Arms, Northbridge Tavern, Pineapple, (and no I don't class the Craddock as town centre), when was it decided to move it to the county?.
As I've said on my previous post at the time there was probably good reason's for the move, but I can say that if I where involved a bit more with the Bowline at the time I would have kicked up a fuss.
In my opinion the decision to move the pub from the town centre was bad, but that would have been a collective decision and you all have to take collective responsibility.

PP is definitely right though, the pub is the hub of a vibrant club. I've 'been getting back into' climbing for a couple of years, fair to say without great success, after a few days reflection I can see that getting down one evening with like minded folks, planning trips, being inspired, getting ideas was definitely lacking in my week and would have probably got me out on the rock a lot more.

"Actions speak louder than words", well I would strongly argue for a city centre pub so Zoe and myself are going to start going to the climbing wall on a Wednesday evening and touring suitable "city centre" pubs afterwards, starting with the P+T and Swan and Rushes. Please feel free to join us, although not this Wednesday as we are in Scotland, we will report our findings to the committee. Activity to pub, marvellous.

Follow this link to see what I ment by communications officer, this and the pictures where on page 3 of the Mercury, so its official, I sleep with a page 3 girl!.
Btw, Peter Gold is an ex Bowliner.

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news...detail/article.html

Ed.

Edited by author 11-04-2008 08:10 AM
As one of the older members and I suppose maybe one of what Ross talks of as the 'mafia' with 'outdated' views, I hesitate to enter this debate, but here goes …

First, the debate so far is excellent and exactly what the club needs. I’d like to see much more discussion on the forum. That said talk is cheap, action much harder, so on that Ross and I agree.

Second, Ed and Ross are right about the club 'dying out' both actually and metaphorically. My ‘BMC’ survey suggested that the average age is now over 50 and as a club this isn’t something we should be proud of. However, it is something that work by BMC’s Clubs Working Group suggests is pretty common. In fact BMC is losing around 10% of its affiliated clubs each year (from around 240, so this is a BIG problem). Some are dropping out because they can’t or won’t afford it (Army MA), which is the big risk to Bowline, but the list of clubs I have seen suggests to me that it more because they are dying on their feet, unless, that is, they can attract younger members and RETAIN them. Why this is happening isn't entirely in the hands of the clubs but is to do with societal changes that are way, way bigger than we can influence. My view is that the committee should address this issue as a matter of urgency and invest some capital into a strategic plan that attempts to grow and retain younger members.

Perhaps the problem is that most of us are too old to make a serious effort to do this? Personally I doubt that in and around Leicester we can do this with just rock jocks, with the implication that we have to stay a broad church welcoming anyone who wants to join. It might surprise Ed, Ross, even Robin, to read that my preference would be for a club stuffed full of E8 leaders but I don't think we'll ever achieve it. Even E8 leaders eventually calm down and become proper climbers (couldn't resist a dig).

Ed’s various proposals make sense, especially the need to publicize our activities via a much better website and I’m pleased to read that we’re doing this. Perhaps the current financial problems mean that we are moving back to the days when shared and hired transport made sense, but if we are to have that kind of mass meet (one of the best used to be to the Robertson Lamb hut in Langdale) we have to have people willing to organize and promote them. As a club we also have to think about funding: I would oppose wholesale subsidization but some element of underwriting the risks involved makes sense.

All of which leads me to note that ‘my’ black tie dinner meet at the hut (March 28th) still has a few places let and it’s not just for the boring old farts. Yesterday the Oxfam shop in Market Harboorugh had at least two dinner jackets for a few quid each ...

Dave Unwin

PS why is Ross's spelling so bad?

THIS MESSAGE IS POSTED ON BEHALF OF MAX, WHO IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND WHOSE PHONE IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY (SEE BELOW!)

"I agree with Zoe but it is very encouraging with all the ideas and suggestions. It shows me that it is the same core members that can be bothered get involved. No views from the clubs back seat drivers maybe we need to have this discussion via Morse code or carrier pigeon but more likely they just haven't got the balls to get involved. Max."

I think you need to spruce up your joke's!!!! Ha ha

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Ross, why does it have to be near a beech, wouldn't an oak or ash do?

I agree with Ed and my dad on this one.

I know that mine maybe a mute point as I cant make the wednesday nights due to where i live but I can say that i have spent all my life in the bowline so.
 The pubs have always been crap and you cant please every one especially some of the fickle miserable sole's who dont come to the pub anyway IT'S NOT THE PUB IT'S THE MEETING OF THE PEOPLE!!!!. Pick one pub and stick to it! It's not rocket science, as Ed pointed out tinkering is not good! That why old and new members will always be able to know where to meet and it will always mean that someone is there (even if the bar staff can talk to someone) write it into the constitution if needed, do not change it unless it burns down. When I was still working/living in Leicester and was finishing work late I would always swoop down to the pub on my way home as i knew people where there!
 

As regards the committee Simon and Max are correct. If you want to organise things then go through the committee don't change it because it doesnt suite you! it's not about you it'sd about the club. If you dont like it there's an AGM to get your point accross and committee meetings to go along to. To many people put to much work into the club and the 'underground bowline mafia' stamp there out dated views over. By the time they've all died off the'll be no club left at this rate!!!! If you appoint a committe you are bound to what they do thats why you have them. If you dont like it you can have your say in the proper arena and/or get your arse on the committee if you want to change something. I see none of the people who want to go to Thurcaston have said anything on this forum. So they clearly aren't that bothered where they go! If they want to voice an opinion then do so here, it's what it's for then all can see what is being said rather than wispered to key members.

And finally more subsidise meets it's the only way to help people get out, and to get new people in, as is club exposure at the climbing walls, in the papers and on website's. The 'mafia' may not like it but tuff you have to move on and move with the time's to secure the clubs future.

Can we all pull together and get behind tHE committee and work for the greater good.

Thanks

P.S Summer bbQ/club dinner/ mtb/cragging (pref near a beech) thing sounds like a right good idea. Get the club to buy some barrels of ale in and get a big tent set up and we'll all have a party!!!!!

The thing that strikes me is that any new members going on our website are not going to be very impressed by the club's complete lack of ability to choose and stick to a pub venue/arrangement! Not the best advert!

WEBSITE UPDATE

This is in the process of being done at the moment by someone in the club who works on websites professionally.

As a new member it is with some trepidation that i am posting this message but here goes.

I agree with Max that if a decision is reached by the committee then it should be stuck to, however i do take issue with how those decisions are arrived at. Jan and myself have attended the pub meet every wednesday night almost with out fail for the last 18 months and we have not been asked for our thoughts on this. Perhaps a bit more consultation with all members would go some way to alleviate these problems in the future.

When the meet moved from the Cow & Plough to Kilby it was well attended but has now dwindled to 6 or 7 at best, there are members who live reasonably close to Kilby who rarely attend so it is as much about getting off ones arse and making the effort as venue.

Hi all,

Here's my input if you want it, and as a reasonably active non pub goer I guess I'm part of your target audience. I asked myself why I didn't go down and the answer was habit, I'm out of the habit.

I think messing about with locations is a bad idea, having this pub for when it's a full moon and this pub when it's the 3rd Wednesday of the month will confuse people. It confuses current members (see Robins previous posting), let alone potential new members.
And you need to consider new members, failure to do so and we may as well sell the hut and divvy out the proceeds now, from what I can see the average age of the club is getting older and older each year and you always need fresh meat.
Clubs in general have had a bad time and memberships have been in steady decline for many reasons, I believe that this trend will change, with fuel cost's and the economic climate people will want to lift share more and clubs are a great place to do this. The Bowline needs to embrace this concept of attracting new members and having a hap hazard club night won't help.

And the concept of the "club night" I think is being overlooked, in the olden days which PP keeps reminiscing about the pub used to be the end of the night, whether it be circuit training, climbing or running we used to go to the pub afterwards. And then people who didn't do the activities used to turn up because they where confident of the pub and it would be reasonably well attended.
Let me show you an example, we always used to go running from Newton Linford, Beacon Lower if you where lucky, people knew the score, you had other running clubs joining us. Then we got bored and "tinkered", people got confused, I turned up to Newton Linford and ran with Sally and Pat because we didn't know where everyone was. It got "tinkered with" even more, running from here there and everywhere. When was the last time Sally and Pat ran with you??, and I'd hazard a guess you get no where near the same numbers you used to. Is the same happening with the pub?, you decide.

My suggestions.

1. Pick a decent centrally located pub (centrally located is critical), good access, plenty of parking and not to busy, my suggestion was the P+T. Then STICK with it, for at least a year, you can review from time to time but at least get it established and the habit factor set in.
2. Focus you efforts on good quality and well organised activities before, whether it be circuit training, running, climbing. PROMOTE them well and ensure that they remain consistent, people will naturally go to the pub afterwards.
3. Revamp the website, spend money on it and get a professional in, we've got loads anyway. Like it or not the internet is where most people get their information from, having an attractive well laid out website is ESSENTIAL for our future growth.
4. Appoint a committee member the task of communications, not just e-mail bulletins but ensuring the new website is updated regually with sexy content such as meet reports and photo's, also communicating with the Mercury as well, we've got people doing fell races etc... let the press know and raise our profile. This will be a proactive role and the person would need to have his/her ear to the ground to ensure they get up to date info.
5. And finally meets, I reckon you've got scope to organise a large scale meet along the lines of PP's MTB meet in the summer. MAKE it work, subsidise it if necessary, just make sure it's in the mountains and there's climbing as well as other activities. I suggest the Lakes.

The pub isn't the problem, it's just the manifestation of it.

Thanks Paul

People have to be aware that the committee give up their time in the best interest of the club and the decision to move to a monthly Wednesday night and to move location of that monthly meeting place was in an effort to revitalise this event and by moving the location around the county so that it was fair to all those living in all directions. It proved to be a success last month.

I will say to all those who are going to rebel against the committees decision and meet at the Wheatsheaf that they should think twice. If the decision of the majority is to meet at the wheatsheaf then I will resign from the committee otherwise we are wasting our time going to committee meetings and trying to look after the clubs best interest. The Cradock was a suggestion but it could have been any other pub in the center of town. But why go back to the same place that will eventually fail again. Lets keep the spice of new locations? Or at least give the committees decision to change location a chance and not change it after one wednesday evening.

The Bowline is a great club with great people and I am proud to be a member.
Over to you all.

Max






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The wednesday night meeting.
We obviously have problems.They are caused by a number of things in my opinion.
1 The venue.
2 The drink drive problem.
3 The advent of technology( the internet)
4 Work
Get your violins out.In the old days weds nights were at the core of the club.It was the night you bullshitted about your previous weekends exploits,discussed the next weekends adventures and swopped information.It was and still is for me the hight to organise my social life for the week.The soul of the Bowline was and should still be wed nights. So what can we do about it?
The venue has long been a problem which the committee should seriuosly address.The Cow and Plough was'nt working,The Dog and Gun at Kilby is too far out for the northern contingent and is lacking in support from members who could consider it their local.We need to move to a central location.The Swan and Rushes and the Pump and Tap have been suggested.What are your thoughts on the matter? Get in touch with a committee member before the next meeting.
The drink drive problem is a tough one. If the venue is central you can car share, there is public transport, you can push bike and for the lucky few you can walk or you can just drive pissed.
The internet is a wonderful thing and Zoe does a great job in keeping us informed of whats going on,BUT its an inpersonal thing. You cannot discuss things if you don't agree and it can lead to some people getting hot under the collar when they rely on the internet rarther than meeting on a personal level.To know the club you have to socialise.
WORK We all work,nobody harder than me as I keep telling you all.This is one of the reasons a lot of people give for not turning up on weds,but all work and no play-----.After getting up at 5 and doing 12 hours I still manage to make weds but thats me,the choice is yours.
So in conclusion we need to have a serious think on this in the run up to christmas.A good time for discussion would be the Chairmans walk which I hope everone will be attending.As for this weds although the Craddock has been put up on the internet the powers that be seem to have misread the mood of the proportion of members who do support weds.There is a mutiny afoot and because the the Wheatsheaf at Thurcaston was a sucess last month a number of these members are meeting there again.At least there will be agood turn out there this weds.
In the nearly 40 years I have been in the club there have been many changes but if we loose weds I fear we will eventually see the disintergration of our club and that saddens me greatly.It has always been a big part of my life so lets try and pull together for 2009

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CLIMBING WEEKEND AT THE HUT THIS WEEKEND

The hut is now full for the weekend - 12 people booked in, so you'll need to bring a tent!!!

Edited by author 10-27-2008 12:55 PM
WEDNESDAY NIGHTS

Unofficially there are people going down the Dog & Gun at Kilby on Wednesday nights apart from the 1st Wed in the month.

CRACKBERRY PROBLEMS

Hi Max don't know why but whatever system you are using to put the posts in is giving the system the verbal shits!!!

Pump and tap, central location, plenty of parking, real ale, not to busy, scope for after hours drinking for those that want it.

Zoe did the omm at the weekend, can't see what all the fuss is about.
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What's going on with Wednesday nights now then? Sounds like the other Wednesday at The Wheatsheaf was really good. What are people's thoughts on meeting there evey week? I'd rather go there than the Craddock anyway.

I put your name down then Rob dosn't just sound good it will be as well! Are you going to let that Girl who lives with you come as well?

Edited by author 09-23-2008 12:00 PM
Hmmmm, the chairmans walk sounds good.......

Ed,

Hmmmm, not sure about Craig Buddon, ive got a feeling it might be a bit wet. How about beaumont?

rob.

CLIMBING TONIGHT

OK that funny yellow thing is in the sky - so we are definitely on for climbing at Buddon tonight.

Andy

The Festival of Pain, I thought it was only me that got beat by women! Did I say that!

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What the hell is FOP?! And Rob chill out, even I was beating you at the wall the other night!

mate, you don't get good climbing vs all day. you have over the last couple of years aquired definate punter status! sort it out!

Need a hand netting that one rob?.

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Let me think! oh yeah i was in the Alps 9 days ago and climbed every day and this week been out Sunday Tuesday Wednesday and off tonight to the dolly's yippee! You will be struggling to keep up soon!

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Edited by author 08-21-2008 04:26 AM
You should know, when was the last time you were out?!

Just a question. Was the club a lot harder 20 years ago? is it just moden day living that makes people so soft?

Cycling is on this evening. Apparently.

Cycling Today

The cycling is on today. Meet 6:45 p.m. at Willoughby Waterleys - road biking.

Dear All

Festival of Pain 6/7September

Maybe it’s the name that is putting people off; it’s not so bad it’s only just under a hundred miles on the bike and just over 20miles running.

In my opinion, I would say that it will be quite an easy day, but why has it gone so quiet all this people saying they up for it earlier in the year have disappeared.

Although we now have the hard men throwing there hats in the ring well done Ed and Ross.

Dick Freer is going and is bringing his van for support which Tony has volunteered to drive (thank you Tony). In fact I have been getting grief from Dick saying the event is not hard enough!

I am sure Karl would have something to say about the lack of commitment from the club. Karl please help me rouse the masses I need one of your motivational speeches.

There can be an alternative road bike section for those who can not physically run or even walk in Miles case!

Look forward to all your responses: Mick Yeomen, Tim Harper, Miles Hillman, Paul Barrett, Phil Barrett, Shane, Rob Pullen, Ian, Andrew wood, Sara, Steve, Zoe, John Brown, Pete Meads, PP(excuse accepted) and so on you know who you are!!!

I can now see why Rob Richmond gets so frustrated with us all for not climbing hard enough.

We will try to make sure we all share transport to make it easer.

As a special treat to all those who compete I will take you all for a run around the lake on Sunday.

What more could anybody want from a Club
Cheers
Max

Thanks, fits in perfectly with a speed awareness course I need to attend in North Wales. Will have to sort out my own accommodation though as the hut does not allow pets. Jan - what are you going to do about Simon.... ummmmm I mean Frank.

FOP. Ross and probably

Edited by author 08-18-2008 02:10 PM
Glad to see the QT has returned, the old one had some classic "meeting of minds", is there anyway we can get the old messages back??.

Let's get as many members receiving notice of a posting as possible, it'll be a shame if this one dies a death like to other one. If people know something has been posted they are more likely to reply.

Anyway,

Claire, 11/12 of October

FOP, who's MTBing the running sections??, or am I the only gay in the club.

Catch you later,

Ed.

Pardon the intrusion - I'm selling my bouldering wall. Realised that ownership alone doesn't make you strong (don't let on) so it's going. eBay item 280257052053 or search for bouldering wall. Bidding starts at £45

Cheers,

Mat

Can you confirm when the MTB meet is at the Chamois hut in north wales.

Thanks

To all Contenders

Please let me know if you are intending to compete in the top event in the Bowline calender this year. The Bowline Elite event (Festival of Pain), there has been some people trying to make excuses for not being able to make it.

Yes its going to hurt but I,m sure it will not hurt as much as facing the fact that you could have done this great challenge but found a poor excuse to bail out.

 I need to know numbers so I can work out the logistics. Please let me know before thursday.

Andy Railton and Zoe have kindly volunteered to cook pasta mush for us on Saturday night, I think they just want to laugh at us and watch us struggle in!

Cheers for now.

Max

Yeah all you wossies, Its a good job I am not 40 or I would have to give Gareth a good wooping. I sure Gareth will not slow you oldies down to much!

Gareth has still not had any replys to his request for a partner for a 25 mile time trial. What's all that about then?! All any of you lot do is go biking, why not do a real event and see where your really at?!! Gareth's partner would have to be over 40 which doesnt rule many of you out so no excuse there. Maybe your all full of it and your all scared of being found out!! Your thoughts.

Zoe, you're very testing!

CLIMBING TONIGHT

Massa is looking to go climbing tonight; if you want to join him give him a ring on 07909 718560

I'm just testing too!

Where is Max's house for the run tommorow? Will I be able to keep up i run at around 6min km.

Just testing this forum. Do you think it works?

CYCLING - TONIGHT 12TH AUGUST

OK on tonight starting 6:45 p.m. from Wistow.

Andy Railton

CYCLING TONIGHT - TUESDAY 5TH AUGUST

OK the forecast is pretty grim for tonight so I'm cancelling tonights bike ride.

Andy

Edited by author 07-29-2008 03:17 AM
INTERNET PROBLEMS

I am having some computer problems at the moment guys so until I can sort them out the website can't be updated. Sorry about this but the website front page just replacates Zoe's emails so as long as read those you will have all the information. Will fix it as soon as I can.

Andy Railton

Steve,

Thanks for the info I'll get the link updated tonight.

Andy Railton

Who would I contact to have the links page updated with our new website address? www.northleicestermc.org

If this is possible we would greatly appreciate it and obviously provide a return link.

Thanks

Steve, NLMC.

MAY 27TH

NO CYCLING PLANNED TODAY

Anyone out in the peak this weekend 07825065419

Tuesday Cycling 29th April

Willoughby 6:30 p.m. going whatever the weather - prob v wet.

April 15th,

Going from Wistow at 18:30 regardless of the weather.

CYCLING 8th APRIL FROM WISTOW

OK this is definitely on - even if it rains a bit.

Andy

THURSDAY CLIMBING - 3rd April

We are climbing at Markfield from 6 p.m. onwards tonight.

Nice one, Andy :-)

TEMPORARY REPLACEMENT FORUM

Hi,

Folks as you see the existing we set up has been down for some time so I've reset up a forum similar to the old one.

Andy