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"Welcome aboard! I'm looking forward to discussing the various health issues involved with student care in the school setting. I am a School Nurse at Herberg Middle School in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. This will mark my 20th year in School Nursing. Enormous changes have occurred during that time period and I continue to learn something new everyday! I've also learned, that for the most part, educators are dedicated, hard working individuals trying to make a difference in the lives of the students they teach. I applaud their devotion and wish to express my thanks for all they do!"
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kwiaterPerson was signed in when posted  4
11-20-2007 02:26 PM ET (US)
Some strains of Staph bacteria are resistant to antibiotics and therefore are termed "methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus"or MRSA...most strains of bacteria are sensitive to antibiotics and infections can be effectively treated...MRSA is often found in 20-30% of the noses of normal healthy people and is also commonly found on people's skin...awareness is key so special treatment can be started but the primary method of prevention for MRSA and many other causes of infection is basic hand washing...this dampens the spread of illnesses in the school setting...with the winter months upon us...it would be in everyone’s best interest to practice good hygiene and encourage all of our students to do so as well...
hkiss,rn  5
12-21-2007 11:03 AM ET (US)
All of the publicity on MRSA has made our staff nervous and students frightened. Our entire school community has always worked hard to keep abreast of current health isuues and promoting wellness through continual good health habits.

Handwashing has been emphasized as our primary defense for a very long time. As part of our Osha training before school begins we talk about handwashing technique and keeping hands away from our face as essential in staying well. At specific times and on an ongoing basis homeroom and classroom teachers discuss handwashing, wellness isuues and healthy habits (such as proper rest, daily execise, good personal hygiene, dressing for the weather, making healthy decisions, reducing stress, having fun and laughing everyday!) Our Principal and guidance counselor meet with all the students to talk about team building, creating a positive school experience and character building as we feel happy students are healthier students. The guidance counselor also meets with the fifth grade students to discuss stress reduction as part of their transition to middle school. Our Vice Principal talks to all the lunch blocks regarding the importance of handwashing before eating (one of the acceptable times to bring your hands to your face!) and if you forget he recommends that they use the hand sanitizer dispensers on the wall of the cafeteria.

Our school has alcahol based hand sanitizers in the nurses office and cafeteria. We recommend soap, warm water and lots of friction as the best way to keep hands clean. We recommend Purell only if hands are already fairly clean and soap and water are not available. (We pack small purells in the first aide kits for all field trips). There is nothing healthy about "Purell mud" as students often think it is just easier than "the old fashioned way."

Our health teacher teaches healthy living habits as part of his curriculum. Science teachers addressed MRSA and prevention as part of their Science current events topics. An article from the school nurse appeared in the school newspaper that goes home to parents (As the flu season comes upon us......). The students absolute favorite is when the Principal and a teacher have a serious conversation on the morning live broadcast about staying healthy (while one talks about sneezing/coughing into your elbow the other sneezes into their elbow...while one talks about keeping hands away from face the other rubs their nose...and are told to go wash your hands). It ends with both singing happy birthday to themselves as they demonstrate proper handwashing technique. Everyone has a good laugh but remember the message.

The walls of the clinic are passive lessons as we started the year with a Personal hygiene display. We now have Winning with Wellness, Healthy Living and Developing Your Fitness Four displays up and the posters always lead to very interesting conversations.

I guess this is just a long winded way to say that our philosophy is that germs of all kinds are always there and that we have our emphasis on a consistent, proactive emphasis on prevention through good health habits...
especially handwashing

And with all that...we still get sick staff and students...but maybe not as many as we could have!
kwiaterPerson was signed in when posted  6
12-27-2007 01:43 PM ET (US)
Excellent response to the MRSA question! Your school has taken a proactive stance to maintaining healthy students, fighting germs and improving school attendance. Our ultimate goal is to have students learn and achieve in an academic setting. A frequent motto used by School Nurses is "A Healthy Student is a Better Learner". Congratulations on your efforts! Have a healthy winter season.
hkiss,rn  7
01-04-2008 11:40 AM ET (US)
Does any school system have a definitive policy on Dressing Appropriately for the Weather? We run into this problem every year when the temperature hovers well below freezing and students come to school without coats, short sleeved shirts, shorts and flip flops. We speak to students individually which often has no effect. On occassion we will call parents but that could be someone's full time job making those calls. We try to ascertain that the students family can afford winter wear and in the past have purchased coats as necessary. I would love to hear how other schools handle this problem.
kwiaterPerson was signed in when posted  8
01-08-2008 08:32 PM ET (US)
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I'm afraid this may be a universal problem. Our Principal announces if it is too cold for the students to go out. He bases this on the temperature and windshield conditions of the day. I also know he considers the students who don't come properly dressed to school. Staff members speak to the students individually about wearing warm enough clothing but it often falls on deaf ears and we always have "Lost and Found" articles that go to students who do not have the financial means. I think many times they just come dress inappropriately to get a reaction. There are probably many reasons why some students ignore good, common sense and I guess we should keep trying to help them make the right decisions.
Heather Kiss  9
01-09-2008 08:53 AM ET (US)
Thank you for your response. Your reply mirrors how our schools handle the situation. I look on our individual response to each student as a positive way of letting them know that we care, we know they exist and we want to help keep them healthy. I am always amazed at the numbers of coats that are in the lost and found. We are on the coast so that our temperatures are up and down so that winter is not consistently very cold which complicates the immediacy of our message. With all that said...I often long for the days when our principal many years ago announced after a certain date shorts and sandals would not be allowed until spring and that students were expected to dress according to the weather. He used to actually stand in the hall as the kids came in and if it was cold and they did not have a jacket on he would tell them to go call their parents and have them bring in their coat, hats and mittens. Life, priorities, and weather conditions are all different now!!

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hkiss,rn  10
01-11-2008 10:45 AM ET (US)
In response to your questions regarding food allergies I would like to say that "watching" the evolution of this health problem over my 26 years as a school nurse is almost mind boggling. The allergy/ anaphylaxis situation in schools is a conundrum that reaches out to so many educational settings and issues that there are too many issues to address in one blog. Like all systems we have a detailed school policy that requires very specific health care plans meetings between nurse, parent/gaurdian and teachers. I have always been very lucky in that my parents and teachers are very cooperative with the process and we usually have everything in place for the first day of school. When I go to conferences I speak to colleagues that have the diagnosis of a severe allergy but can't get parents in for meetings, can't get the required Epipens and the Doctor's orders in to school in a timely manner...if at all. We have school Epipens and Adrenalin in the med closet in the nurse's office, but no where near enough to cover field trips and the after school activities of our school population. What can school nurses do to get parents/gaurdians cooperative? Is this a DCF referral??
kwiater  11
01-14-2008 08:01 PM ET (US)
I couldn't agree with you more. The number of students with life threatening allergies has skyrocketed. In our Health Room, we have Epipens in stock to use in an emergency but, like you said, it's difficult to get full compliance, whether it's a signature or an undated Epipen, or a doctor’s order. At our Middle School we have 14 students who have sent in Epipens and another 16 who have had an allergic reaction but have not had the need for an Epipen. Does your district require the teachers to be "Epipen Trained"? Who goes on the field trips that can administer an Epipen if necessary? I'd like to hear any suggestions for getting parental compliance. I do realize we live in a very fast paced society and we're all juggling many balls. Is this a DCF referral? Every case is different but after exhausting all other avenues, maybe it is....
Heather Kiss  12
01-16-2008 02:15 PM ET (US)
It is interesting that you asked the question "Are teachers required to be trained to give Epipens?" For many years it was in our teachers' contract that they were not to give injections/epipens. During those years we covered field trips with parents and substitute nurses...which was often a problem getting coverage. As the number of Epipens increased in our district along with the increased number of field trips it became an impossibility and teachers asked to be trained (regardless of their contract) so that trips would not be cancelled. Two years ago the wording of the contract changed and teachers may be trained to administer Epipens if they choose. They are not required to. Presently at my middle school every teacher, support person (psychologist, social worker, guidance counselor) and administrator is trained to give Epipens. Our unwritten rule is that we ask the student's parent first. Then we see if a nurse is available. If neither of those people are available the teacher takes the responsibility. Many teachers feel that the parent or nurse are not necessary and take responsibility from the get go. We also encourage older students be trained so that they can carry their epipens and self administer. The teachers are well aware that no student can be deprived of the educational experience of a field trip because of a medical diagnosis and if a student cannot go on the trip because we do not have medical coverage, then no one goes. Knowledge of the law, good training, understanding of the medical conditions, cooperation and a positive attitude help allay fears and boost confidence in everyone's ability to do what needs to be done.

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kwiaterPerson was signed in when posted  13
01-17-2008 05:16 PM ET (US)
It's obvious from your discussion posting that you're a "seasoned" School Nurse. The numbers of students who have life threatening allergies, as well as the number of students who have been mainstreamed with serious medical issues continues to climb. With sufficient education, encouragement and administrative support, it seems your district has learned to change and adapt quite nicely. It would be impractical to send School Nurses out of the building every time a class went on a field trip. With the severe nursing shortage in the United States currently, it’s difficult enough hiring and maintaining nurses, let alone getting substitute nurses to cover Field Trips. Unfortunately, it also seems unfair to ask faculty to accept yet another responsibility and be Epipen trained as well so that Field Trips can take place. I'm also impressed with the positive attitude you express. The bottom line is, for the portion of the day that we are in charge of these students, we have a responsibility to do what needs to be done through the various ways you mentioned.
kwiater  14
01-18-2008 04:55 PM ET (US)
I just registered for an online course at Framingham State College for "Exploring Food Allergies". I'm really excited to get involved with this course and I will be happy to share the ideas with everyone here. It's a complicated issue with serious ramifications if not handled properly in the school setting. Please feel free to post any specific questions you may want me to bring to that forum.
Angela FiandacaPerson was signed in when posted  15
01-29-2008 02:06 PM ET (US)
I have a question for all of you skilled nurses out there! In our school we have several students who have serious hygiene concerns. Teachers email me constantly about these students who quite frankly smell, appear to not have showered in a while, and overall are just poorly taken care of. It becomes more than an issue of foul odor, but rather an issue of other kids starting to make comments about these students, which of course leads to low self esteem and lack of friends.

We refer these students to the nurse, who speaks to the students and does her best to work with the families. However, most times the issue does not improve because it is really a life situation that we cannot control no matter how much we wish to make it better for our students. Teachers sometimes do not understand this, as they continue to refer the student despite us saying we have done all we can do at that point.

I'm seeking other ideas that have worked in situations like this. Nurses, any advice?
kwiaterPerson was signed in when posted  16
01-29-2008 10:36 PM ET (US)
Angela, this is an excellent question and I'm sure it's a universal problem. First let me explain how I initially deal with the hygiene issue. I call the student down to review their Health Card. I find out who their doctor is, who their dentist is and when did they last see these people? I ask about immunizations. I update their emergency information and then I begin to educate them on their personal hygiene. I tell them about bathing, deodorant, washing their hair, brushing their teeth and I suggest they get a lesson on how to wash their own clothes. I give out samples for them to use. I try to follow up in a week or so. I will refer them to the SAC or Peer Mediator or any other friendly face in the building ready to take a stab. But as you said, it's often a familial problem, perhaps cultural. To attempt to teach in a classroom setting with this situation is difficult at best. It is often quite disruptive. Ultimately, we do what we can and when the student knows better, he'll do better.
Angela FiandacaPerson was signed in when posted  17
01-30-2008 12:58 PM ET (US)
I like your approach of updating the health card and asking about a number of things, not just pointing out bad hygiene. I'm sure it helps the students to feel more comfortable talking about this sometimes difficult subject.
kwiater  18
01-31-2008 10:17 PM ET (US)
Thanks Angela! It's very difficult approaching these sensitive subjects, and I know on some level, the students "get it". Unfortunately when you have a limited budget for clothes with no heat or hot water in the house, it's pretty tough taking showers and washing your hair and changing into clean clothing. I have to remind myself, "It’s a process". I do what I can do and the teachers do what they can do but bottom line is it’s up to the student to do what he needs to do. You can also argue that these are our standards. That, of course, is a whole other discussion!
Heather Kiss  19
02-01-2008 10:03 AM ET (US)
I found this to be very difficult on the elementary level because the little kids were so dependent on parental cooperation and help. I remember one little boy (4th grade) who asked me to provide him with a wash cloth, soap, shampoo tooth brush , toothpaste and towel. Every morning he came to my clinic and stripped down in the bathroom and gave himself a good wash. He was already doing his laundry at home. His clothes were wrinkled but he felt so much better and full of confidence with his hair combed and feeling clean. I remember many times with students that DCF had to be called in to deal with problems of which personal hygiene was just one of the
problems...which is often a very painful way to address life issues.
I have been much more successful on the middle school level. (As life would have it...since I have started this response, I have been called to the 8th grade special education resource room to talk to five boys about their personal hygiene and a teacher stopped and asked me to address the issue with another student) The approach that I find the most effective is total honesty. I meet with them individually as they are referred (usually). We discuss the reason for the referral and talk about the social ramifications of being dirty or smelling badly. We talk at great length about their issues with doing what they need to do to have success. We make a deal and they are usually able to take care of the problem on their own as that is the first option. The second step is to bring in a parent/parents to assist us. I often provide deodorant and powder samples, new toothbrushes and tooth paste. There is usually some backsliding as time goes on but they respond to a gentle reminder. At first I thought this would alienate the students but it has actually opened up great lines of communications between the students and I. After you have talked about their body odor problems there is not much they don't feel comfortable talking to me about.

In my dealing with this issue we have come across some interesting situations. Sometimes it takes a little investigating. I can remember the dilemma of having three students who appeared to be very clean and clothes neat and clean but smelled "badly". All three did not want parents brought in on the issue. I discovered one of the student's pet ferrets was sleeping in their clothes drawers. The student quickly started using the ferrets cage with only supervised outings. Another time we discovered the students cat was wetting on their clean clothes laundry basket. It became a really good lesson in putting clothes away immediately and a decision they came to on their own. The last student's parents were from India and it was the curry in all their cooking that gave her body an odd odor. When we discovered this she was actually able to incorporate that information into a presentation she did in Social Studies on the Smells of Different Cultures.

We had a number of years at our middle school where the female gym teacher made towels, soap and shampoo available in the locker rooms and it was surprising how many students took advantage of that opportunity. She did a load of towels in the home ec room every day. Showers are no longer required and now nobody showers after PE which I think is a missed opportunity on the teaching of personal hygiene.

And then again....we had a year when we had a group of 5 boys in 8th grade who called themselves "the dead squirrels". Part of their passive Resistance to the "Norms of society" as grown ups/people in power know it was to not bathe often. The powers to be tried everything especially parent involvement and we were not very successful.

As School nurses are well aware...life goes on....and it is very
interesting!!!!


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