I've been scrounging around in my old movie collection and found this rather poor clip of an Explorer's hike. That's Mike Clayman at the beginning, Joe Koplin later walking out of the brush and finally Howie Uniman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5hBcQXW240

Dick, I never met Jay but he was considered one of the top guys for a long time. If i remember he did Christopher Cross and Air Supply et al. Probably still works and making great music.

Howard - have a great time recording with Santana! My wife wants to know if you know an old music producer friend of hers - Jay Graydon. Does that name ring any bells for you?

Neil - I remember hearing Light My Fire for the first time when you brought it into The Room where put the blue floodlight. I think that song scared me the first time I heard it! And the WCP speaker...very M*A*S*H, don'tchya think?

"Big Camp Records" was a goofy name that I came up with when recording Don Rynd performing "Mr. Bojangles" at WCP. We pasted a paper label on the tape reel to look like a real record and called it "Big Camp Records", produced by Neil, engineered by Bob (Segan). The real camp records were on the "Alma Mater" label, also a phony, conjured up by that dorky guy that used to come up every summer with his tape recorder and microphones to do the camp album.

Regarding "The Doors", it was in the spring of '67 that "Light My Fire" became a rage, and I typically would bring up some personal records to air on WCP that were not otherwise available. That record was from my personal collection, and I still have that original vinyl, complete with scratches and stuff that engineers like Howie Benson would cause.

The loudspeaker thing was an idea that me, GER and Dick Rossner came up with in order to expand the listening audience in the morning. It worked, and became a staple of morning and afternoon broadcasting.

Great to hear from Marty, and please Howard, do us proud, Ray Manzarek will be listening.

Sign was from Scott Rovner which came by way of Jerry I believe. And Bill, the guy that that is me is the Jewish one! I think you can tell! Marty Scott, OMG! For all of you who don't know this Marty gave me a start in the business when he hired me to make a few records for him for the fledgling Paradox Records label which was distributed through Polygram. Marty had probably the biggest independent record business around, a true record man from the good old days of cut outs and imports and warehouses full of titles. GEM Records I recall - GEMarty. I think his first titles were on Big Camp Records and were our camp records we got in the winter. I owe Marty for hiring a very inexperienced producer and trusting him.

Strange wonderful day in the studio tomorrow - I am producing Santana's new album and we are doing a cover of Light My Fire with Chester (seen in that video) singing - its for Guitar Hero game. Their keyboard player cannot attend. I am going to play LMF with Santana, at Sunset Sound (where the Doors recorded the song originally) and will definitely flash back to WCP, spinning the song in '67 as Swerdlick's trusty engineer, watching the Elektra logo go around and around, looking out over the green fields of Camp with the song blaring from the loudspeaker during a hot and muggy rest period...Kerouac would say, we know time...

howard...did jerry send you that sign???i know we had a quite a few, of cabin and other signs at one time hanging in our parents garage.

Howard--studio? We don't need no stinkin studios (at least anymore). As for the Twizzlers, I'd I remember, they were the individually wrapped variety that came in a big round container

I'm pretty sure that I saw some Mac stuff in your studio. Way to go, Howie!
The canteen sign brings to mind that Lenny Busch used to buy a whole box of Twizzlers for his personal consumption. Little excentricites like that were the mark of a great PX staffer.

awesome... but which one is howard benson????

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That is great, Howard! I'd like fifteen cents worth of red and green licorice Twizzlers!

Watch this video of me and the singer from Lincoln Park. At :46 seconds look at the sign above the door...Camp Paradox lives!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXa6esskXUE

Howard please send my best to Mike and Scott. Would love to hear from them.

cute!

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check page one on the www.classicmyfamily.com page.

i knew i'd seen that photo of the kid with fishes before
         ... on page 1 it's labeled "Lewis fish"

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Can you reinvite me or something. I have no idea what my user name is and my email address has changed so they have no record.

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Work in Little Falls, live in Short hills. Whew...i haven't had a dog at Rutt's since high school, still do applegates on grove street in montclair. You should catch up with Jerry...he still talks to Derf.

Alan are you still in NJ? My old house had a fire or explosion like 2 years ago and they completely rebuilt it. Whenever i'm up there I go to Rutt's Hut for rippers.

Jeff adler...just rode down your old street in clifton the other day...jerry is down in maryland.. jeshoes@aol.com

The rifle range - "ready on the left ready on the right ready on the firing range FIRE" - was that Paradox?

Alan Shier - where are you? How's Jerry?

Jeff Adler,

Mike Swerdlick lives out in Cali near me in the San Fernanado Valley. I have hung with Mike and Scott Rovner last summer and Mike since - when my wife and i have a party we invite him - he is probably the most eligible bachelor in LA! Screen writer and , as we used to say, all around good guy!

Jim, i think the guy in the front of the boat with stahl is Glenn Meltzer?

Jim,

Thanks for posting the black and white photos. I noted that by clicking on them to enlarge (and sometimes clicking a second time to enlarge again) you could zoom in. (Thanks for the large scans!) Seeing the sparkles & ripples on the lake, the dents on the boat, the fading stenciled "Camp Paradox" logo (in Old English font?) on the boat really brought the first photo to life.

And those are the first pictures I've seen of the rifle range in, um, forever! Ah, those old, beat up, dusty mattresses, with the popping of 22's as accompaniment! I'm not sure if today's progressive community that I'm part of would approve of our NRA-based activities! But to me it was a good thing: enjoyable and zen-like in the relaxed, calm, focused "wait for it"-squeezing of the trigger! And of course the "junk shoots" at the range of old tin cans we did were we really liked doing! :-)

I bet that back in the woods, today, there's still a pile of sand from the backstop.

Hi, Harold,

Thanks for the offer to digitize the old records. However, Bill Rosen did it already. See messsage 319 below for how to download it.

(You'll have to hit the "All Messages" link on the right of this page to display messages that far back.)

Tom

Finally have a USB turntable. Any interest in my digitizing old Paradox LP's?

Harold

It's amazing. One look at those black and white pictures, and I can smell the pine trees.

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Sorry - I had a browser crash in the middle of uploading the photos and apparently the process didn't finish. The photos appear to be there now.

I had the same problem, Bri. Hopefully, Jim can fix it up.

Hey Jim,

Am I having early dementia? I went to the MyFamily site and there were no new pix.

Bri

I switched computers. I forget how to get into the myfamily site and, where it is. Can someone tell me?

Thanks

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I found some more old negatives which I've scanned and uploaded to the MyFamily site. One is of Rick Stahl in a motorboat. I don't recognize the guy in the front of the boat

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Hi Tom,
I am now subscribed to the board and will post often.
I'll tell Rick Bruskin about this.
I tried to view the file and cannot. Could you get me in?
Mike Swerdlich where are you?
Bill send me your email.
This is GREAT!
Jeff

but i got some great pics of Italy!

He went to Italy instead.

has anyone heard from Howie Benson, I talked with Mike Swerdlich and he told me howie was going to camp to take some images this past summer.

Yes Mike, that does look like me on the top of the hill in that picture. I look like Im not too thrilled with it. I was never too crazy going in that cold water.

will do, tom.

we've all been looking for ricky bruskin... he was in my cabin a few years. and i was surprised he never found us on the internet.

Also rickey mittelberg is in Kendall not too far from you.

take care... JEFF send me your EMAIL...

bill

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Edited by author 10-22-2009 10:53 AM
Hi, Jeff,

Welcome to the site. What took you so long to find us? :-)

"Ricky Bruskin?" Wow! I've been wondering where he was after all these years. Please mention the site to him so he can check it out. We'd love to hear from him.

Incidentally, you (and others here) may wish to click the subscribe button at the top of the site so you can instant notification of any postings. It makes conversation much more smooth than having to remember to check the site. It's totally secure -- your email address remains hidden and confidential.

Jeff: if you're interested, we have a large file that has all the old photo albums and the Paradox LP that went out some winters, as well as other memorabilia. Somewhere on this blog (message 319), there are instructions for downloading it... but let me know if I need to post them again or they no longer work...

Tom

Welcome to the site. And, Bill, can you set him up with a login to the myfamily site so he can see the photo collection there?

Tom

Hey Billy,
We're in Coral Springs. Been here since collage - Syracuse. I have not been it touch with anyone from camp but I do business with a company in Miami that Ricky Bruskin works for. We started the where did you go to collage, camp thing and he said Paradox. We both couldn't believe it.

hi jeff:

where are you in Florida??? we moved down 4 years ago... to West Palm Beach. i remember staying up most of the nite reading and posting when i first found the Paradox site... it was really something.
it's amazing all the stuff that came out.

give me a call: 561.313.1280

bill rice (paradoxian 63-70



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Hey guys, I stumbled on this page and can't stop reading. Then I found the old Paradox.com site and all the posts for years past. The memories come tumbling back. I've lived in south Florida for over 30 years with my wife Honey and 3 daughters - 19 at UF, 23 in law school, 25 working on doctorate in psychology and getting married in March 2010. As Jerry Shier said we were the last long time group they tried to break up but couldn't. We were all there for 5-6 years. Besides Jerry, Barry Rosenthal, Fred Derf Dorn, and Phil Brussel. After Paradox I worked at Brant Lake for several years on the waterfront. And to continue the tradition my daughters spent 7-10 years at Brookwood in the Catskills. Best memories - 1965 (I think) the UFOs land at Paradox, we were 9 and Eric Landis was our counselor, woke us up and told us that green guys were here. Also the real landing on the moon, sitting the health clinic (or was it in Ramsey Tucker's front room) watching history on TV. Still remember standing in the dining hall yelling "up in the air junior bird men" - anyone know what that meant? I'll keep my eye on this site.

Edited by author 09-21-2009 08:04 PM
Carrying on the Anderberg tradition . . . here's an account of a hike my son, Christopher took up the dike of Colden the other day. Any of you guys remember the Colden dike?
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It was a great hike and a beautiful cool sunny day. The view was incredible. There was a good view down to Avalanche lake while hiking up the dike and you gain elevation very quickly so the rest of the mountains come into view. The "crux" of the dike is a class 4 climb, enough to get the adrenalin flowing, but not so much that you'd need a rope (unless it was wetter- a stream flows down the middle of the dike and it gets unclimbable in the spring and after rain). Unfortunately we hiked a little too far up the dike and exited onto a false slide that we assumed led to the top. Zach had done the climb before so I was counting on him to pick to correct exit point. The slab we were on dead ended into dense cripplebrush. Since it was too steep to descend we ended up bushwhacking the rest of the way. It was so dense that I couldn't see Zach or Viola even when they were a couple feet away. To make progress I'd have to thrust my hands through the spruce boughs, grab onto a trunk, duck my head and pull myself through and up. I had my GPS so I could tell we were close to the summit which helped with the motivation to keep pushing though. My arms and legs were pretty scratched up by the top though. People have posted the coordinates of the correct exit point, so I'll have to make a point the next time I go. I definitely want to do it again, and get it right! In all in ended up being ~14 miles.

On August 10 in the Charlotte [NC] Observer there was an article about Crane Pond. It talked about swimming in the pristine waters and the climb up Crane mountain - a 1.4 mile trek to the 3254 foot summit. It brought back many memories of what I remember as a quick hike we used to take. Too bad we weren't on Crane Mountain that day... Berk

I was back in the Adirondacks the other day. My youngest son, Christopher and I climbed Algonquin - a hike we had done a couple of years ago in the pouring rain and high winds. It's an 8 mile round trip hike with a 2,900 ft. ascent. That was enough for me! Much better hiking conditions this time but, alas, still no view at the top. We did see a mink at the peak which is quite unusual according to a park ranger we met up there.

Here's a photo of me at the steepest part of the trail:
http://tinyurl.com/n2mqc2

Campers & Counselors,

Occasionally, (like a moment ago) some spammer posts an ad on our Paradox blog. These are probably coming from an automated program, since the posts don't have link and so provide no value to the poster...

Fortunately, these postings are currently rare and are only a minor nuisance -- even to those of you who subscribe to email alerts of postings.

By the way, the email alerts help keep this blog alive because you are immediately informed of new postings rather than having to manually visit. The blog site keeps your identity confidential. It does not allow me or anyone else to know the names or email addresses of those who has subscribed, but it does show that there are 31 of you now subscribed to get notified by email when there are new posts. (If you haven't subscribed, I'd encourage you to do so by clicking on the purple "Subscribe" button just above the first message in the blog...)

But the purpose of this email is to tell you that if the spam gets to be a nuisance, we can turn on a password login system (one universal password for all) that would probably eliminate it. We could announce the password in the "Topic" line at the top of the page. I'd of course prefer not to add a password, since it's a minor hassle for posters and might dissuade some newbies from posting.

Hope your summers are going well. Parents weekend is just around the corner...

Tom

Pharaoh Mt. Fire Tower

Deb and I spent a pleasant time today with Jesse and Nancy Strauss. Jesse and I were discussing the fire tower on Pharaoh Mt. He told me that it had be cut down by "forever wild" zealots. A little research found this pix taken a number of years before any of us were there, but how much can a fire tower change, anyway? It was a great Howie Kretz destination.

Mike,
Blazing Six Guns it was, indeed. Thanks for filling in these details. I will pass on your message to Bruce.

All the Best,

Jefferson

Jefferson (Jeff?): I think the stage production you're thinking of was Blazing Six Guns, a Western satire GER had written years before and updated, that we performed in 1970...I had a cameo role in it, playing "Maw" Sidrop, and sang a GER song, "Never Give A Sucker an Even Break."

Of course I remember Bruce -- he was a good bud at camp -- we co-starred in many Footlighters productions together. Give him my best! -- Michael

Bri -- speaking of Jack Francis...I'll always remember the Jr. Life Saving final, in which he tried to drag all of us down to Davy Jones' locker (individually, of course, playing a "drowning person" we were trying to rescue, I believe) and we had to escape. It was scary, but I did get my patch...

TOM: can you copy mike's photos to the MYFAMILY site??

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interesting stat... but jack is right!

and now-a-days camp costs over $7000 and is only 7 weeks, not 8.

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I was talking to Deb just the other day when it occurred to me that if you went to camp for 7 seasons (at 8 weeks/season) that you would have spent more than a year there. For staffers working more like 10 weeks/season that milestone was almost reached in 5 seasons. Jack F. would probably say that I have too much time on my hands....

Mike,
It was great to see your post and your pictures. I seem to remember a musical that you put together that was set out West in which I played the dastardly "Rotten Mean Slade." This would have been in 1970, I believe, the last year of the camp. If your memory for me is vague, I am sure that you remember my older brother, Bruce. Do you still have any connection to music or theatre?

All the Best Wishes,

Jefferson Singer (Camper 1968-1970)

i remember wally sterling from 63+... didn't know he was there in '62, too.
yes, nearly 50 years ago. amazing.

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Hey guys--glad you're enjoying the pics. That's definitely Wally Sterling, Bri--after I posted the pics, I remembered. Also -- it's been almost 50 years(!), not 40, since I first went to camp. Hard to believe. And that's David Coder (not "Code") in the Rogers Hall pic. --Michael

Edited by author 07-06-2009 12:14 AM
Nice pix, Mike. Thanks for posting them. My immediate thought whn seeing the swim-kick picture was, "LOOK OUT for the spiders!!". That dock had enormous spiders living underneath it - I don't remember if anyone was ever bitten but they scared the heck out f us.

With summer here, I'm again reminded how memories are stirred by (not smells, in this case, but) sounds -- of all things. When I hear the sounds of motor boats on a nearby lake, I find myself feeling safe and happy - and then recall that it's the sound of those years in the Adirondacks where we were cared for in a world created explicitly for us. Pretty lucky we were and are.

Hi Mike,

I think the swimming guy might have been Wally Sterling (he was the head of Acquatics when I started in 1964).

Hi, Mike! Those are great pictures, indeed! I believe I can see Andy Gassman on the extreme right, looking on as David Bruskin demonstrates his scissor kick in the waterfront picture. Great memories, and yes, I love the sunglasses on your mom! Thanks for the posting.

great photo, Mike.
sorry we didn't get a chance to get together when i was in NY.

i think for most of us, the summer will always be Paradox-nostalgia time! there are so many memories - mostly good, some bad (for some). and as we are an aging bunch, i think many of us would love to be campers there again!
Be well and Stay in touch!

bill

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((See message a few pics below for the captions to this))

David Steinman & Leslee Karol, and Mr and Mrs. Reuben Karol, at camp, early 60s

Edited by author 07-05-2009 04:36 PM
I am the former camper (and CIT, and ACIT) who e-mailed Tom for the CD. When I wrote him, I said that this time every year (it was the beginning of June), I always think of camp. Then I said I loved the summer, but my "summer heart" would always be with Paradox. Eight summers over almost a decade of my life that were so important to me, and still are. I told him I'd look through some pics I have that probably no one else does (mostly from the 1962 season), and scan and try to upload them. The "try" is a helpful modifier in case the "upload an image" bar isn't as easy as it looks. Anyway, hopefully you'll see them when submit this.

The most interesting one for many of you, I believe, especially those of the Carpenter Era, will be the pic of me swinging on a rope. I also scanned the message that Ole Lar wrote to me on the back of the pic. I don't know how (yes, I do), but his message and handwriting, so clearly recognizable after almost four decades, manages, to me, to be both nostalgic, heartwarming, and somewhat horrifying at the same time. Next is a pic of Dave Steinman holding hands with my sister, Leslee, a Paragon counselor in 1966. Ah, young love. Next is a pic of my parents during an early visiting weekend; from the way my mom's dressed, it was definitely early 1960s. Love those shades! The last picture is a montage of four larger photos, beginning at top left and going clockwise: a picture from a GER special, one of the Saturday night "dramas" in 1962. All I know is, it was a Western, and that's Reverend (?) David Code, hobo Mike Wallach, pistol-packing me lying mostly in the neat cave GER constructed, and varmint Rob Clayman sitting up front. Next is a bunch of us running down to the swimming area. Don't know the guy in front with the towel but the rest of us are, I believe, from the top: Chuck Muth, Mike Wallach, Paul Hindes, me (behind Bobby Hindes), Arnie Kornblatt and Ricky Klein. Below it is our swimming instructor, Wally (can’t recall his last name) instructing me (on his right) and someone else, while David Bruskin demonstrates a scissors-kick, and some one else shows how to throw a life preserver. (Busy swimming area!). I think that might be Andy Gassman and Arnie Kornblatt on the far right. In the final pic, a bunch of us scramble for the ball, playing...I'm not sure what. I'm in the water near right, squinting. The thing is, these pics were obviously staged, and probably intended by Alex and Ann to be used as publicity. I think the only reason I'm in them is because they needed a bunch of campers, and there weren't that many of us in the first season. Anyway, Tom, thanks for the CD, it's a treasure. If I can't upload all the pics in one try, I'll send them separately, one after the other. Hope you all are having a great summer.
My best, Michael (Karol)

"Swinging" Mike Karol, and a message from Ole Lar

As my eleven year old son leaves for his third season of eight weeks in Camp, I am reminded when he talks about looking forward to getting to the airport so he can sit with his friends on the plane just how long it's been since we all were at Paradox. When the bus rolled into Alexander's parking lot with someone following in the "Chaser", I still recall Joe Koplin and Tom Field on the bus when we were en route my first season telling me about camp and how much I will like it. Those guys from Philly knew all about camp! Seems like yesterday. One year I recall driving up in the "chaser" with Bob "Bo" Eldridge along with Alan Miller. Alan and I had our ideas about the Senior Sports Softball team which we discussed all winter.....Bo had other ideas which did not include me! It all worked out in the end but I remember how dissapointed I was when he had plans to put me on the "B" team. Thank goodness a counselor named Wayne Rowe, who helped him coach, had other ideas for me and I ended up playing on that "A" team. Are we due for another reunion down the road? Neushatz, if you are to be found give me a call. I know you moved to Central Florida but I only had your number when you lived in Lauderdale. Been trying to find you.....

Note to Alan: DrBill@writeme.com

our family was at Hickory Hill... so i really didn't have much to do with preakness pool. altho i do remember someone drowning there, getting hung up in the suction at the bottom or something.

haven't heard from larry & lesley in a while either. but i'm a bit far to pop in for the weekend

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bill, you have to shave everyday too??? who knew? FYI, not a paradox thing, but dont have your email address...Lesley and Larry Rafes orgainized a PREAKNESS POOL REUNION this weekend...guess you won't be there, lots of names from our former life will be there....

Alan

it's a good thing we've changed a bit since 1962... altho, back then i didn't have to shave at all... and now it's every day.

it's even stranger, that back then we couldn't wait to grow up... now i think we'd all like to slow things down a bit.

have a great summer!!

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I got an email this morning from a "camper" who asked I send him the Paradox CD rather than his downloading it. While burning the CD for him, I dipped into the folders and looked and listened a bit.

Looking at a photograph from 1962, and reading the name key to recall who was who, I'm reminded of names I haven't heard in years - like Wally Sterling (Aquatics), Curt Williams (Riflery) -- and wondered where they are today and whether they lurk on this site, not posting. And I stared at the picture of Billy Rice and Norm Tracy. My, how they've changed in the almost 50 years since then!

I listened briefly to the singing of Amici and was struck by something that sounds so mundane written here (even if I could italicize it) -- "that's not just a song, that US singing, from back THEN... when we were kids, playing at Paradox." Somehow, being transported back in time, imagining us singing then was somewhat surreal.

On the CD is a document announcing the start of the 1965 Parathon. It appears (and this I vaguely remember) that the announcement (signed by Monroe Strongback of all people) was in the CC-award treasure chest. It must have been arranged that for this one award, a camper was slipped a key to it?

I can't recall how other Parathon's were started, except for something about how Eric's been in an accident and the ambulance came to pick up Ann who was in shock? Did they taper off on the theater a bit as years went by?

Finally, I went back to the original source documents to determine the etymology of the acronym "TVA." The results (confirming discussion recently occurring here) are below.

TVA defined!

Reading about John Bradman, who I think was my counselor or was in the "U" in my cabin, Immediately puts into perspective the sheltered and safe life we had at Camp - like nothing like Vietnam could ever intrude into our world, nothing bad seemed to get in our way in those 8 weeks. Bradmans death, of which I had no idea about till now, puts a new spin on Camp for me after all these years. I am glad you all posted it, and I admit to a deep feeling right now about him, and a thank you to him and all the rest that sacrificed for us.

One of my colleagues (at No. Brunswick H.S.) had originally worked at the Bordentown Military Academy. John's dad (a career military guy) was the commandant there, and John the only son. Bordentown is a small town, and (at that time) the Academy was a big part of the town. John's funeral parade went through the town, with a great number of the townsfolk coming out to honor him. The Academy cadets lined the street at attention, and as he passed they ran to the far (front) end of the line so he would have an honor guard for the whole route. As the school is now long closed, I do hope that the memorial plaques were preserved by someone from the school.

I remember clearly a late night discussion while camping along the Johns Brook with John, Jack F., and me in 1966. He was at the Citadel at the time (yep, of The Lords of Discipline fame). Having grown up in a military family at a military school what went on there (the Citadel) just seemed to him like what needed to be done to prepare guys for the upcoming challenges they would have to face. It seemed pretty much "over the top" to those of us at "secular" colleges.

He was a warm and sensitive guy who probably cared for his soldiers just as he cared for the kids in his cabin. He was one of those you could always count on for help, and he smiled while he came through for you.

There was a delightful picture of him as a youngster (fishing, I think) in one of the early PX promotional brochures. Does anyone remember...have it?

I wrote to a veteran who said that John died in his arms. Here is is account of what happened to John:

Thanks for remembering Lt. Bradman on this day. He was a very fine Officer and died at my side in a battlefield accident. The explosion that took his life lifted me in the air and tossed me backwards. Lt. Bradman, who was directly beside me, died instantly and I didn’t have a scratch. Before placing him in a body bag, I took his Ranger cap and inserted it in his trouser pocket, hoping the cap would make it home for his family. He was very fond of that cap and I knew it would be stolen once in the rear if it wasn’t hidden.
 
During my one year tour in Vietnam, my Company had over 45 men killed and probably a hundred+ wounded. On this day, I think about the ones killed and hope all are remembered.
 

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That is a great picture of John. Thanks, Jim.

A photo of John here: http://tinyurl.com/o4cofl
He's the guy in the back with the big hat.

My wife asked me for more information on John Bradman, because we did a training with the Army last summer. We trained a group of Army psychologists and Master Trainers in The Power of Play Approach: Applied Improvisation - the Strategy of Relief. Our goal is to work with returning Veterans dealing with PTSD.

When my wife asked me more about John's background, I realized I didn't have too much information beyond the few hazy Paradox memories. So, she asked me to do a Google search. And bingo - I found this very moving webpage.

http://www.virtualwall.org/db/BradmanJF01a.htm

Thank you for that picture of John's name on the Memorial, Bri. I remember a moment with John when we were driving back to camp one night. John did some maneuver to get around a mail truck. The driver of the truck somehow pulled us over and read John the riot act. He told John that his automobile antics were interfering with official government business! John snapped right into military mode. He was quite clear about the gravity of what he had done and didn't want it to reflect on his record in any way. It was a shock for me to see him so serious and respectful to a postal driver. But it showed me there was a very deep side to John and his love and respect for this country.

Several years later I recall watching television and there was a crawl on the bottom of the screen with the names of fallen soldiers that week from the Veitnam war. I saw the name "John Bradman" inch across the television, and I lost my breath. It was so sad. My mind tried to find a way to not have it be true - "John Bradman sounds like a fairly common name. Maybe it was somebody else..." But in my gut I knew it was him.

Thank you, Brian, for remembering John on this Memorial Day. Thank you, John, for good memories and your sacrifice.

Memorial Day remembrance of a great PX staff member (Vietnam Wall rubbing)

Yep, named for Tom Vanatta. He is even credited in one of the "colored" books. Tom had a great idea which created an opportunity for a nice mid-season break and one which could offer activities that took more time than the regular ones.

Interesting perspective on Dicky. I only remember him as a "good old boy-Southern frat boy" type – I guess that there wasn't much substance under the "hi y'all" exterior. While we had our share of great counselors, we also had more than a few that had to stretch to reach mediocrity.

I only said who created TVA, not who it was named after. Heard the same thing about Haydel that Jeff did. I wasn't in his cabin but heard he was not great to live with.

and Dicky's co-counselor- Bob Thurston. Tennis guy. Woosy boy goes camping with an electric blanket.

I guess we all had good and bad. I had Sammy Shore and Bob Coluni. You couldn't ask for better guys.

And I loved GER.

And I thought TVA was named after Tom.

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Dicky Haydel was a dick. Two faced. Nice guy out of the cabin- maniacle in the cabin. I remember Larry's visit during the following winter to my parents house for dinner- he asked. I told. Dicky was not invited back. thank god.

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So TVA means "Tom Vanatta"? I always thought it meant "Total Vantage Activities"

I remember Dicky Haydel and John Bloodwell arriving from their (1/2) cross-country trip (all the way from Lous-iana) in John's Austin Healy 3000 (top down). It was a pretty tight fit with all their stuff onboard, and the car rode very low, too. Those cars were quite low to the ground (unloaded) – allegedly running over a crushproof Marlboro box could damage the muffler – not very good for some of the roads in the Paradox environs in those days. Ah, but with the top down, and that tailpipe "vrooming" it was quite the "ride."

Dick Fruth was a really nice guy, but sometimes let the stresses of dealing with his bunk (of, I think, 9 year olds) get to him. I wonder how many staffers remember the staff meeting where he "just lost it" telling about the recent problems in his bunk. That seemed to pull the plug not only on his built-up stresses, but on those of many others, too. People were hysterically laughing with tears running down their faces for quite a few minutes – to the point that L.C. got a little pissed at us.

When mentioning the "overseas" staffers, I was only talking about Yan-Yong and Gabriel Erasmi. I think they got more from the experience than they were able/chose to give to the camp. I've heard that many camps mostly recruit from overseas since young Americans today seem unwilling to work for the low wages most camps pay. We started at $300 for the summer (9 weeks+, 6 days/week). We did get some travel money (depending on where you lived), and "free" room and board, laundry, and medical coverage for the camp season. Even at the state college rates in those days, working at camp meant that we had to pick up all sorts of jobs while at school to close the "income gap." All that said, it was certainly worth it!

i want mike on my team for Paradox trivia nite!!

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Dave Longmeyer's machine was the "Dudley Machine."

Dicky Haydel [summer of 1964]went to LSU

Dick Fruth and Tom Vanatta: Creators of TVA

Tony Mitchell was the Aussie if I remember correctly. What an athlete! He was never on water skiis and after just a few times was skiing backwards. I remember him taking one of the neighbor's daughters - they lived to the left of the camp when facing the lake - out on a date in Flonacher's GTO. And boy, was Jim pissed off when the back seat came back all messed up the next day.

and of course, haneka spits from holland

i think bri is correct... it didn't do much for camp life

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Funny. Gary Lowen (Cabin 10 1965) used to do an impression of Herman of Herman's Hermitts and do "Mrs Brown" and "Henry the Eighth". That's probably where he learned it.

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How about Gabriel Erasmi? I seem to remember that Jesse Strauss and I picked him up at the Fort Ticonderoga train station (about the size of an outhouse south of the Ti metropolis). Italian, obviously. I don't remember that particular international experiment adding very much to camp life.

I have a mental image of Yan-Yong leading "Henry the Eighth" at a campfire. Probably staged for the movie. Wasn't he sponsored by some sort of gov't. sponsored "people-sharing" program?

IT'S ALL COMING BACK NOW...
i guess some of it leaks out of my colander brain after all these years...
but i clearly remember the black cap with the "A" on it...

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I remember David Longmeyer from 1963. He was, as I recall, ranked 13th in the East in either 'Boys' or 'amateurs'. He had a ball machine that was given a name that I can't remember. People joked that he talked to the machine. (Sit down machine!) He played tennis at LSU. Bob Coluni, aside from teaching us all the 'crow hop' (pick up a ground ball, crow hop, throw to first base) played minor league baseball in Amsterdam, NY. He had a black ball cap with the letter 'A' on it.

yes, dave was a definite ranked tennis player... boon loong was a college level player.

there was someone from australia, too.

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Yes, Chez Guy, She Loves Me...that was all with GER. But the movie had Bob as one of the two counselors. I remember it was a black and white movie. (It's so strange the little details we remember.)

Bob Coluni was baseball. He either played in the big show or was a coach. Claim to fame he was in "Safe at Home" with Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle. It was a standard 'what to do on a rainy day at Paradox' movie.

Yes- he might have been a ranked tennis player not like Dave La(I can't remember his last name) who put on an exhibition for the camp with a good tennis player.

Where else did they hire counselors from - besides the Dickie Hadyle from the deep south?


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that thai tennis counselor was a classic paradox thing -- hiring counselors from all over.
i think he may have been a ranked tennis player, too.

i don't remember the documentary either.

but i thought bob coluni was a basketball coach.



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Regarding Bob Coluni: years ago, when the px site was brand new, I did some digging around and actually found Bob C and called him on the phone. He was pretty old, and didn't seem to be internet saavy. I ended up sending him a postcard with the site address on it telling him to take it to the local library and ask them to show you the site. I never heard from him again, but I'd be surprised if he didn't check it out back then.

Saw "She Loves Me" in a regional theater.

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Lord Jim? TVA activity. We were doing the play thing. Ate at Che Guy.
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Now that you mention it, yes! I do remember Yan Yong Boon Long. But only after you mentioned it. It was a rhythm thing. Yan/Yong/Boon/Long... I don't remember the documentary, but I certainly remember Bob Coluni. I recall going to some town to see either The Longest Day or Zorba the Greek. All these splinters of memories...and all good.

Does anyone remember in 1965 we had a counselor named Yan Yong Boon Long (but call me John) from Thailand and there was a documentary made of him at camp? He was my counselor in Cabin 10 with Bob Coluni. Tennis instructor. I remember being in a sceen where we wake up and get out of bed. I was told I was quite a ham.

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Old Paradox Lake postcard

I corrected the previous film (images were reversed). The corrected version is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilo1HiQx538

I've just posted some more old film from around 1969, I believe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKkewexc49o
I suspect it was played in the projector backwards - the buildings to be seem reversed from what I remember. I still have the original film but it is fragile so I'm reluctant to run it through a projector. I came across some guy on the net who converted his flat-bed scanner into a film scanner. I might be able to get better quality trying that. A winter project.

At 3:00 you can see Bill Rice running to greet parents on parent's day.
Does anyone recognize the guy at 3:45.
At 4:53 is the guys in my cabin in 1969 - the year of the man on the moon and Woodstock.
At 7:31 is some footage from a Woodsman's Frolic

Great video. I am curious as to what year it was taken. And what mountain was that? Brought back memories of breaking arm on Marcy in 67.

Just booked a trip to do some hiking in the Adirondacks over the July 4 weekend.

Wow- watched the whole thing singing "Paradox Moon". Thanks for the panorama.

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I certainly recognized that view of the waterfront. My Twitter profile backround image should be familiar to anyone on this list.

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I agree with Dick... It really brought back memories, especially as we begin the summer season.

8 weeks in the ADKs was wonderful!!

i recognized Jim Anderberg leading the pack. and loved the "black snow" associated with old 8mm footage!

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Jim,

Thank you for that absolutely fabulous footage. It was so good I could actually smell the pine trees through cyberspace! That was amazing that you recognized Bruce Gelber at 1:45. He is still one of my best friends, and I didn't recognize him! Great footage. Great memories. Thanks!

More 8mm video footage of Camp Paradox discovered!
Check it out at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKaNgj8Bkfs
Not the greatest quality but it's enough that those old memories in your brain can fill in the details.
Kinda boring panos of the ADK's for first minute.
I recognize Bruce Gelber at 1:45, Kenny Berkowitz at 2:37, Brian Stahl and David Greenspan at 3:00.
It ends with some footage of the boating area.

There was another Don also either the summer of 69 or 70, he sang with Don Rind....he was in my cabin one of those summers..have to pull out an old photo album

PS: i think the Mr. Bojangles is on the CP CD that Bill Rosen made! did Neil Neuschatz perform one or both of those, too?

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Don rynd??? also dd a great rendition of mr bojangles on his 12 string martin guitar

loved that song!!

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There was a pair of counselors that would sing this. I believe one guys name was Don.

Hey Jim,

If you mean who recorded it, it was Peter, Paul & Mary. I sorta remembered that it was one of the folk groups. I did a little research and found that Shel Silverstein also had a version (or maybe was responsible for it?).

Boa Constrictor - Peter, Paul & Mary

I’m being swallowed by a boa constrictor
I’m being swallowed by a boa constrictor
I’m being swallowed by a boa constrictor
And I don’t like it very much!

Oh no, oh no, he swallowed my toe,
He swallowed my toe
Oh gee, oh gee, he’s up to my knee,
He’s up to my knee
Oh fiddle, oh fiddle, he’s reached my middle,
He’s reached my middle
Oh heck, oh heck, he’s up to my neck,
He’s up to my neck
Oh dread, oh dread, he swallowed my.... schlirppp!



Boa Constrictor-Shel Silverstein

Well now, I'm being eaten
By a boa constrictor,
A boa constrictor,
A boa constrictor,
I'm being eaten by a boa constrictor,
And I don't like it--one bit.
What do you know?
It's nibblin' my toe.
Oh, gee,
It's up to my knee.
Oh, fiddle,
It's up to my middle.
Oh, heck,
It's up to my neck.
Oh, dread,
It's mmmmmmmmmm . . .

Does anyone remember the Boa Constrictor song? Who where the guys that sang this? http://blip.fm/~5bca3

I was looking through the CD that Bill Rosen made to see if it had the camp schedule in it. Looking through the gray book, which contains all the forms the counselors would use, I found this toilet paper request form on page 44.

Neil - didn't you hear? Flame never made it to the testimonial. She was arrested for giving a pole dance on the subway.

Alan - of course you were in SUBMERGED. I remember. And your accent was flawless!

Flame Schweitzer? The last time I heard that name her friends were giving her a testimonial dinner...at the 34th Street automat!!!!

Somewhere lost in the shuffle I have those grey and blue books, and could look it up, but without doing so, I do remember the requirement that you all write letters home, after lunch some days, before rest period. Your letter became your ticket into the dining hall for the evening meal.

And Alan, were you not often absent during rest period to help with broadcasting? The shows, they must go on.

dick, don't be too flattered, the only reason I remember you for that role is becasue I stood across from you playing the role of Cockney.

Who new? After all these years that Cramer should have been in the Footlighters and not the Explorers!

Alan and Jeff, it's nice to be remembered after all these years for a dramatic role! Too long I was known only as the comedic Vice Presidential candidate, Throttlebottom...and Flame Schweitzer, the intellectual striptoose. Now it looks like Cramer's going to be remembered for a few performances, too! Yikes!

I also think it was just 'rest period.' (Rest. Period. ?)

As far as ol' Jimmy boy goes, I feel like he's a totally different person (but one who is getting what's actually deserved by everyone at CNBC, not just him).

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Definitly majors on M,W,F aftenoons. Minors T,Th nights. Rest period.
"Submerged". Man that was good drama. Rossner was great!

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dickie rossner...well alright..."SUBMERGED" if i ever run into him, I have more than that to say to him....he knows we are all here, he has forsaken his roots....

Alan,

If you run into him, tell him the next time he goes on a show like Jon Stewart's, he should bring a cherry tomato, a couple of chunks of onion and bell pepper. Then he can say that if he is going to be skewered, at least he'll have something tasty on either side of him.

Howie, don't worry about cramer...he loves this. By the way...he live near me, summit, nj

wasn't major clubs MWF (2-4) then aquatics hour. ICC/OCC Tues and thursday with minor clubs tues and thursday nights? I got all the books somewhere, red, blue, gray, paradim....od infinitum..or however you spell it....

i think it was just "rest period" nothing special...

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FYI - Feel bad for Cramer - he is getting eviscerated on John Stewart. Wow, how the mighty have fallen...

Question from Rich Frank: What was the name of the period after lunch but before rest period or ICC/OCC? What did we do Mon, Wed, Friday?? It was an activity - none of us can remember.

Lunch was over at 12:30, ICC OCC was 1:30. I think it was rest period, He doesn't.

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we don't get ice... i live in west palm beach, FL now! 40-50 is cold down here!

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Thanks Bill. I did forget to mention that Tom did get me out to speed. My revenge fantasy must go unfulfilled. (It really wasn't an obsession; just a "what if".)


And Ann Arbor isn't as cold as you might think. And when you get ice, we get snow. I like snow better. :)

Thanks for your thoughts.

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irwin goldstein... i remember... not martin.

perhaps you'll find yourself reading all the original postings... they're very interesting, to say the least.

i'm sure tom brought you up speed, that larry and alex are both gone now.
glad you found our site and can reminisce about the good times at camp, and won't suffer too much with some of the unpleasantries.

be well in cold ann arbor...

bill rice '63-'70

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Edited by author 03-13-2009 11:43 AM
As Tom noted, I found this site today. I was prompted by a New York Times story that said the NY legislature is thinking of suspending the statue of limitations for sex abuse civil cases. This is a proposed 1-year window after which the current limitations would reapply. My first thought upon reading this: Larry? Maybe its time?
Well a quick Google search brought me to this site, and after a long telephone chat with Tom, here I am.
I was at CP from '63-'65. The name was Goldstein then. During first marriage that turned out to be a mistake, I switched my middle and last names. Its now Irwin Goldstein Martin.
I have spent some time reading the archives and refreshing some old memories. As I mentioned to Tom, Paradox was indeed a paradox to me - the best and worst of times. Times with fellow campers and counselors were the best: Mt. Marcy and the Presidential Range; my first cheeseburger; "acting"; shooting; and for one week during the first days of the summer of '63, telling people my name was Marty because I hated Irwin so much. (I gave that up when I didn't respond to that name being called in my direction; figured I was stuck with Irwin then.)
But CP was also the worst of times. Niaive young boys being preyed upon by our leader, and Alex and others, if they knew anything at all, turning a blind eye. Clearly this impacted my life, and I'm sure others. If anyone wants to talk about this "off-line", Tom has my number.
I may get around to searching my basment archives to find the old camp stuff. Its there somewhere. If I find something interesting, I will post it.
And briefly about me - I earned by doctorate in zoology and spent my professional career in the pharmaceutical industry in regulatory affairs. I was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time when Pfizer bought Warner-Lambert. I found that I could retire in my early 50's and enjoy life in Ann Arbor. And so I do.
Enough for now. I'm sure I'll add more later. And if there's ever another reunion.....
-Irwin

TOM:
thanks again. i think i got the notice... but missed.

bill

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Tom -

Thanks for the fix.

Every once in a while, it's nice to step into the ol' time machine again.
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Don't know how it happened, but the www.myfamily.com CampParadox site "timed-out" and had to pay a few tens of dollars to re-enable it. The photos there are available again for you to walk down memory lane.

I re-enabled the site so that we wouldn't lose the pix permenantly, but someone should probably should move the pictures (and comments?!) to another photo site (like flickr or something) that's free and a bit easier to browse and accepts comments... (Jim?!)

I was at the site because I got email and had a phone chat this morning with a Paradoxian who **just found** the Camp Paradox site, believe it or not. I'll leave it to him to post here if he chooses to...

Hi Howie:
dave (can't remember his last name off hand, but he was on our website) owns Meadow next door to camp.
he was very helpful at our 2002 reunion and even took us water skiing on his boat.

he may be able to help you out!

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Howie!

If you would like, I can provide you with the contact information for the guy who owns Larry's cottage, the Program Office (if it's still standing) and all the way down to the swimming area.

He may be able to help finding accommodations.

If you don't have my direct email address, send me mail from the link on the px site.

Just an FYI - my family and i are planning a trip to Camp over Labor Day and we have a real estate agent looking into home we can rent on Adams Lane or really anywhere on the property. We are going to stay 4 days and do some exploring.

I, for whatever reason, want to go to sleep and wake up at Camp. I want to feel that Adirondak morning that only one felt when waking up in the bunk, the cold sometimes dreary, sometime sunny days with the crisp skies, the black sky at night that goes on forever. I am determined to swim in the Lake and really just sit on the boathouse rock and contemplate the years spent at the greatest Camp of all time.

Then back to reality, LA and work. But i think that 4 days will be pretty magical.

That being said, assuming i can make it all happen, any one who wants to visit during that time please come on by, I'll make sure i let you all know where i will be

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very interesting collection...

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Edited by author 02-27-2009 01:22 PM
As webmaster for www.campparadox.com, my site host sends me monthly usage statistics for the site. I usually glance at them out of curiosity, and thought some of you might get a (mild) kick out of looking at them too.

Quite a few hits are on my personal site at http://www.campparadox.com/tom (India, TS Eliot, astronomy and magnetometer being frequent hits for that). High on the most visited camp pages list are the archives from years ago when we were posting messages on the site's blog. I suppose that for some reason those archives rank high in a variety of google searches -- for example, Jim Cramer's name is in them, etc...

But who in the world was searching for gonneke spits in the last 4 weeks.

What's also interesting to me are stats like the fact that the GER audio got downloaded 11 times in February. In some months, I see all the videos getting grabbed repeatedly. I always wonder if this is the result of some lurking Paradoxians, or some automated web crawler slurping down everything it can find.

Also interesting is to see the search terms that led people to the site. All these stats are totally anonymous -- there's no way a web site can figure out who visited or searched on what (although, with the IP address of frequent visitors, you can find who their internet service provider is, and, I suppose, with a court order, who they are...)

Check out full log if you're interested: out: http://www.campparadox.com/px/usage_200902.html

Anything you note as interesting, feel free to comment on here.

By the way, for those of you who are new here and aren't aware of it, there is a large, downloadable memorabilia file that Bill Rosen assembled with lots of materials from the Landis/Carpenter era, including the LPs, photo albums, videos (all of which are also on the site), the famed Greybook, etc.) You can download this zip file from the link below. You will be asked for a user name and password which are camp and paradox respectively. http://www.campparadox.com/pxcd Be forewarned: the file will most likely take two or three hours to download: it's CD-sized. And thanks again to Bill Rosen for assembling these materials.

After the earthquake I left L.A. and some exciting times writing for television. (I was privileged to write for the original Live Aid Concert in 1985, wrote for other variety and sitcom shows, including "Full House.") When I moved to Scottsdale, I literally had to reinvent myself. I ultimately began writing and producing promotional videos. I did quite a bit of work for the Jewish Federation of Greater Phoenix and some of the Jewish organizations in town. It was a very good time, except for the scorpions! My wife can't stand the heat, so we moved back to L.A. These days my wife and I work together in a company she started called The Power of Play. We use "Applied Improvisation" to help people dealing with challenges. One area is people dealing with cancer; another is people dealing with the stress of losing a job. Feel free to visit our two websites: www.thepowerofplay.com and www.thepowerofplayapproach.com.

There were several posts about the Apollo 11 Moon Walk! I too will never forget that night. It was a Sunday night, around 10:00 p.m. and all of Paragon was in the dining hall watching on a black and white tv. There is an Australian movie called "The Dish" and it is about Australia's role in the tv broadcast. It's a GREAT movie and I guarantee it will bring back memories of camp, the music of the time, and that time in general.

Dick,

I remember you well, as I was so focused on anything having to do with my big brother! The plays, of course, I remember your voice as Throttlebottom! Scott lives in Maine as well. He and his family will be visiting me here in AZ in 3 weeks and I will pass your wishes on to him. Andrea lives in New Hampshire and I will also give her your regards.
What were you doing in Scottsdale?
Margie

Margie,

Dick Rossner here. It's nice to see what you are up to. I lived in Scottsdale, AZ for 9 years, but I'm back in Los Angeles now. Where is your brother Scott, these days? How is he? Please send him my regards, and regards to Andrea, as well. You, your family and Camp Paradox (and Paragon, too) are all treasured moments in so many lives!

Hi Gayle, It's been a while! I took a 1 year leave of absence from teaching in Maine to study music therapy at Arizona State University, in Tempe. Debbie was my English teacher as well in 8th grade. It was great to see everyone at the 2002 reunion. There weren't many from the Paragon side of the lake, but it was a very cool time.
Hi Colette, Yes, I remember you. Weren't you my counselor? My sister, Andrea was also a counselor and my brother, Scott was a camper and counselor at Paradox.

Colette, I was also there when you were there. You may remember my sister
Bobbi. I was up there some time in the late 80's early 90's and it was like going into the twilight zone. Even more weird was having Debbie (Solomon) Clifford, my bunk counselor as my English teacher in 6th or 7th grade( can't remember which) AND taking a workshop at the High School where I teach with her husband Brian Clifford a few years ago.

Hey Margie. How's it going? What are you doing in Arizona?

Margie--- You and I were at Paragon at the same time in the late 60's!
Glad to hear you are alive and well...and warm, in Arizona.

It's been forever since I've been on this sight...but for some reason I'm thinking about it all again and I just quickly went through the last year or so of posts. I'm temporarily in Arizona and don't have my pictures with me, but I was wondering about the postcard with the photo near Paragon. Was that the point to the right when you were at the swimming area? We used to go on outings to that point (can't remember the name) and we thought we were discovering previously uninhabited land.

That photo includes the small island that we would see to our left when gazing out of Camp Paragon's swim area. It is/was so beautiful. I was a counselor there in '68 and '69. I returned in 1995... you CAN'T go home again.

I didn't see one guy in this co-ed camp. Whazzup wit dat?

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I enjoyed reading all your post. I am the Owner of Southwoods, that is on the old Camp Woodmere site. You can check out many shots of Paradox Lake at our site www.southwoods.com. If at any point you want to put a reunion together back at the lake, let us know. We would be happy to speak with you about hosting a weekend in September. My contact info - scott@southwoods.com

Here's a photo I took of the Camp Paragon swimming area in Aug. 2008:
http://jimmaine.smugmug.com/gallery/5798954_JvECW#469786094_3s98f

And this is what the cliffs on the Paradox shoreline look like:
http://jimmaine.smugmug.com/gallery/5798954_JvECW#469782508_rUzvJ

I used to spend some of my days off in that cliff area you mention, Tom. I don't recall other staff using it, though.

A college professor my son, Christopher, had at UVM has a family home on the Pagagon end of Paradox Lake. This past summer he took us water-skiing and then left us off to climb Peaked Hill.

Some photos here:
http://jimmaine.smugmug.com/gallery/5798954_JvECW#359153507_jr7aq

I recall taking photos of the Paragon area, but didn't get them posted. I'll try and do that.

Yea, well, the slob part didn't take with me at the time. I remember losing Parathon by one point one year, the amount we got deducted cause my bunk area was messy. Now the truth comes out! Clifford was so fed up with my lack of cleanliness he drew "wash me" in marker on the front of me and made me shower till it washed off! Genius! He also threw my loafers over Bunk 6 into the woods cause I would never remove them. Now that's worth digging for!

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i remember that spot as well. altho it was a "secret" i think many people knew about it!

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The Culinary Connoisseurs key was found at least once, I recall. But I can't recall by whom or what was inside the treasure chest.

You've to admit the whole CC award idea in itself was an ingenious way of motivating boys not to be the natural slobs that is their nature.

Just scrolled through the Google street map on 74 - sadly its as if Camp never existed. How in the world could Mountain Meadows and that rundown - at the time it was run down - house across the street - survive when Camp could not?! I found myself looking for any tree, any sign - its almost all gone. I fantasize about taking a metal detecter up there and a shovel and doing an excavation. I want to find that key that opens the CCC prize once and for all!

I don't know the Paragon shoreline well enough to know, Bri. But, looking at the picture, I got one of those classic nostalgic senses of a warm summer day, puffy clouds, gentle breeze, and the leisure sense of carefree that we remember of then.

Somehow, my thoughts turned to that secret hideout that some of the staff used on days off -- the one in the cliffs towards the lake from the lower baseball field's left field line.

I can't remember the details, except maybe a hammock. Hard to believe that there could have been a secret square inch on that property with 100+ boys running around for eight weeks, though!

Anyone remember anything more about it? Who "discovered" it? Was it a secret? Who used it? Did the owners know it was used?

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Paradox Lake

I found this postcard on the Paradox General Store (formerly Idlewild) site. Is the rocky protrusion the point at Paragon?

I was just checking google maps after Brian posted the link on the weather in Paradox, NY and discovered the google street view truck had driven by.

Check these out:
Adams Lane runs through the old Paradox site from the old camp entrance by LF's house to the East entrance by the dining hall

West end of Adams Lane: http://tinyurl.com/96ls53
Remains of the tennis courts by Rodgers Hall: http://tinyurl.com/8jnh5w

East end of Adams Lane - "Ole Lars" and
the dining hall: http://tinyurl.com/7hmb2d

Jesse Strauss forwarded this video url to me. It brought back memories of winter trips to the Log Cabin.


http://www.wptz.com/video/18499059/index.html

But wasn't there a contingent of new campers? I started PX in '65 and remember this trip.

That 1964 World's Fair was just after Jack F. and I got hired. We were to be with a group of older campers (once upon a time I even remembered who) who quickly "lost" us. After a number of worrisome hours, they dutifully showed up to go home. We breathed a sigh of relief that all was okay, and that we would get to keep our jobs. I suppose that PX always fostered independent thinking tinged with a touch of rebellion.

Re" Expo '67 - Debbie, Rose, Jack F., and I took Larry's grey station wagon filled to the roof with lunch for both camps across the border. When asked if everything in the car was ours we answered, "Yes." (Remember that taking fruit - we had lots - across the border is frowned upon) We even managed to con our way into the special gate at Expo and park the car (for free!) so that we could distribute the food later. I find it interesting in this era of worrying about food-borne illnesses that we had all those sandwiches without refrigeration for hours and hours in the car before gathering for lunch.

I continue to be glad that we had these adventures when we did since the growing number of "big brother" rules and regulations would have precluded so many of them.

Contributing to this frenzy of posted memories:

NY Worlds Fair: Joe Koplin, Mike Clayman, Richie Goldstein and I sat down in the Germany pavilion restaurant. Waitress says, "Four here?" and we nodded our assent. She returned with four BEERS. We're fourteen, for god's sake! And whoosies besides -- we told her we couldn't drink them... please take them back ... which she did...

Mets game: we sat close in by first base... quite good seats. And kids that we were, we decided to heckle Yogi Berra, who was first base coach. We shouted insult after insult at him (or so I remember) until, to our eyes, he stormed off the field, pissed off at us. Either way it's amusing, either we really did piss him off, or, in our young and anything's possible vision, we were wrong but thought we had!

If I am not mistaken the Wolrd's Fair was a winter reunion.in 1964. I think a Mets game was a winter reunion in 1965.
 
 
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yeah.... it was a long time ago! hard to believe sometimes!
and my cigar smoking buddies tell me the cubans are overrated!

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Dr. Bill,

We all went to Expo in 1967 not '66. Please don't make us older. Meanwhile, if I was smoking cigars back then, I could have brought in some really good Cubans.

i didn't remember the NY world's fair trip... just expo at montreal.


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In August of 69, on our day off, I set off in Mark Eisenberg's car with a couple of other counselors. We were headed for some rock festival we had heard might have some good bands. We got within 20 miles of the place when his car lost all its oil pressure. The oil filter had come loose. After getting the car repaired we figured there wouldn't be enough time to go the the rock festival and probably it wouldn't be that great anyway. That's how close I came to experiencing Woodstock.

World's Fair was the spring trip get together in 1964.

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I remember the trip to the NY Worlds Fair in Queens - I cant remember if it was during or something we did it separate from camp - anyone? Every time I pass that stuff that still stands there I think of that trip. I also remember Palisades Park trip. And the roller coaster that scared the shite out of me!

Little naive campers sleeping in our safe bunks while down the Northway there was Woodstock happening, a historical musical moment that changed the world. Did any counselors make it to the concert? Wouldn't that be a memory if somehow we did go on a trip to Woodstock - unsuspecting what we were getting into. Now THATS an OCC!

yes, it's been a long time...

i remember going to the expo in montreal in '66 and going to Ruby Foos restaurant there -- a real treat for all of us. i have a bunch of friends from montreal who also remember the restaurant (which has since closed, i believe).

paradox couldn't afford the insurance for all the risky things we did back then:
    cliff jumping at the lake
    cliff jumping in lincoln, Vermont
    many OCCs
    waterskiing and close calls (and one or 2 even closer) to the dock or rocks

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Hello Alan; it was rewarding working with you both in journalism and the cabin. I was just listening to the Hartford Chorale (including me) sing Beethoven's Ninth on FM, which we did live a few weeks ago. At the same time calling up the Paradox site. Having retired, life is mostly in support of visual, Choral, horticultural and landscape art. Paradox constitutes vivid memories, impressions, lessons in leadership, and comradery. It is one reason I am inclined to "think continually of those who are truly great", and cultivate relationships through mentoring. Did not our campers's talents allow the lucky counselors to think we excelled at guidance and inspiration? Thankful to have been in such a company.

Jonathan stone...how the hell are you? Where you been for the past umpteen years. I still have gesetner ink under my fingernails...

Let me remind this quiescent board that during one of my summers at Paradox we had the US land upon the moon. Driving back from an employment interview in Watertown, I stopped at a bar in Cranberry Lake with three people in it to see the landing and mark the occassion. When I returned to camp the only television I knew of at Ann and Alex's cottage was still tuned to the afterglow. Many of us also "almost got to Woodstock"--it was pretty close, wasn't it? But no one knew it would be such a traffic jam so it is a good thing we didn't take a few of those blue busses there. "We are a traveling camp" remember. Heck, we even took campers to the Expo in Montreal. That's out of the country. Really. To build character; to have fun.

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My Email dald10@charter.net for anyone who is interested.

Donnie Alderman age 10 1953 and others at cabins

I was just out on Paradox Lake 3 weeks ago and saw one of those dock spiders on the dock my son Christopher was skiing from.

I hadn't thought of the dock spiders in decades, but, yes, they were big, and scared the heck out of me!

I recall a really wierd thing that happened at Paradox in '69 or '70. Some counsoler found a really large dock spider the size of an adult hand. I remember them running up to Arts & Crafts to get a spray can of some kind of clear acrylic spray and ran back to the dock. A little while later they came walking up to the bunks holding this huge "hardened" spider. I was 10 years old and they let me hold it. It left quite an impression.
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Hi guys,
Well i cant quite believe it. I was randomly searching the internet and found this blog on Camp Paradox. Jim that is me in the rocket launch photo!! great to see I was sporting a cool hair style. Randy, wow, you bring back memories. I was looking at all of the material and saw this http://www.campparadox.com/px/para690817.pdf
It says that Bunks 7 & 8 were going cliff diving and listed the names of the kids in our bunk. I remember Randy from my old neighborhood and Danny Zuch.
Lloyd

Wow, that brings back memories. My first "mountain" and what a "mtn" it was! I do remember all the rocks though. I was such a pain in the butt during that climb - tired and wet if I remember correctly - must have driven Jim crazy!

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Peaked Hill - Aug. 2008
You can barely see Schroon Lake through the trees in the top right.

Just got back from my weekend on Paradox Lake. Had a great hike up Peaked Hill with my youngest son, Christopher. If my memory serves me correctly, I recall peaked hill being fairly clear of trees. No so anymore. It's quite wooded and not much of a view without climbing trees.

It was a 4.2 mile round trip hike. About 1-1/2 hours going up and and hour coming back down.

Peaked Hill is as beautiful as I remember it. I caught some nice sized bass in that lake on one of my days off.

I'm in Burlington visiting my youngest son, Christopher. Tomorrow we're headed to Paradox to visit a friend of his who owns some property on the lake. We're planning on on climbing Peaked Hill and perhaps doing some cliff diving. I'll post photos.

oh you're in for some long nites!!!

go to the beginning of these discussions that you found here.

not sure if it is still active but try: www.campparadox.com

and if you send me your email, i'll include you in the
www.myfamily.comwebsite that is chock full of photos and comments
dave who?

bill rice - 63-70 i was a counselor that last year too.

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I was a counselor in 1970. Can anyone give me a link to a page where I can read about what became of CP, i.e., when/why it closed? Thanks!

I can't get a mental image of the Paragon dining room, much less how it was left from Nawita days when I first visited there. I do remember those chairs fondly, though, as some "migrated" to the log cabin where they fit in quite nicely.

Camp Nawita (Paragon) Dining Room

Deb and I had the displeasure of meeting Werner Erhart at an Association for Humanistic Psychology convention in Estes Park, CO in 1975. As poor grad. students we were "working off" our convention fee by doing various "chores." One of our jobs was to staff the door of the room in which Werner was presenting. Once he got started, we left quickly as he was one of the most pompous, arrogant, and generally obnoxious people we have ever met. My memory is that most of his approach was to abuse those who attended! How he could even think of showing up at this meeting of the fringes of the "touchy-feely" crowd defies comprehension. I can't image that he was much different at home...but who knows.

My brother-in-law, literary editor for the weekly The Jewish Exponent has just written an article & book review in which he discusses Lake George and Paradox/Woodmere. Link is: http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/16751/

If my memory serves me correctly and as odd as it sounds, Gonneke and Tom Erlanger (sp?), a Viet Nam Marine vet, were an item at camp. Does anybody else recall that? I might have his name totally screwed up.

Hi Fellow Paradoxians,

I was a camper in the 50's attending from 1952-1956. I remember Jack Rohan, Lou Rossini but not Tex Rosen. Actually my father Jack Rudolph also went to Camp Paradox in the late 20's and knew Tex Rosen.
I think Peter Waldman must have been at camp when I was there but must have been much older. My first year I was in Bunk A. My last year I was in Bunk H.
Most of the campers in my day were from Buffalo with some others from Rochester and Syracuse. The owners at the time were "Uncle Seymore Bernstein" and "Uncle Lorie Wagner".
I still have my Paradoxians all bound together from 52-56 and every once in a while I get them out and read through them.
If you attended camp in the early 50's you are still alive and remember me or these days at camp contact me by e-mail @ quivips@aol.

unbelievable!!
gonneke was the Chez Paradox girl, too.

always had a crush on her, too.

werner must be over 75 now... gonneke's probably mid 60's i guess.



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I recently saw a new documentary on Werner Erhard, the founder of est, the pop culture personal-growth phenomenon of the 1970's. Some of you may like him, some of you may hate him, but his life is currently linked to a bit of Camp Paradox history. I was told he is now married to Gonneke (pronounced Han-eh-kah) Spitz. Anyone remember her? She was (as I recall) a cute girl who worked in the office for a year. I'm sure Brian, Jack, Norm and the counselors will remember her...and any of the campers who were teens whose hormones had kicked in. She must be tough as nails if she married Werner Erhard. Anyone have any pictures of her?

Neil--I live not far from you in Ocala.

in my first year at camp '63, dave skied with me atop his shoulders in the parents weekend show. so i guess he's about 6 or 7 years older than i. but i remember him being a bit reserved -- that's a long time ago, however.



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David Steinman- architect- married (3 rd time I think) - lives in the area of Lancaster Pa. Our families used to get together- David never came.
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sorry...didn't realize it. thought you were still in Ft Lauderdale.
not sure if i have you most recent email address either...

could you send me your info: drbill at writeme dot com

thanks and be well!

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FYI, Dr Bill,

And any of the other "lurkers" who hang out in South Florida (Salnick), I relocated from SoFla about three years ago to Central Florida, Mount Dora.

I don't get down that way, so getting together is kinda tough.

Sorry.

yes alex & ann really got the riff-raff off the streets!

glad you could connect with my friend's brother.

i remember most of those guys, especially my water skiing colleagues - dave steinman ( and from theatre fame, i recall!) and victor bell. has anyone heard from either of these guys or know their whereabouts?

so neil... when will you have some spare to time to meet somewhere??
bill

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Thanks Dr Bill for your forwarding my old classmate's name and e-mail address to me. We did connect, and it was great!

Although he did not attend Paradox, it is amazing at just how many kids from our old neighborhood went to camp, and were mutual friends. Names like Jeff Nemhauser and older brother Mark (who was also a classmate of ours),David Bruskin (another classmate), Dave Steinman (remember him?), Jay and Gary Greengarten, Victor Bell, Jeff Amper, Cort Niemark, Mike Jacobs and still others I can't immediately remember. Alex and Larry cleaned up in our neighborhood.

Thanks Again.

Camp Woodmere – Paradox Lake

I was poking around on eBay and found this postcard of Camp Woodmere on sale.

TO NEIL NEUSCHATZ

Special request for you get in touch with David Goldstein
Goldbulb at aol com <Goldbulb@aol.com> classmate from Highland Park
also, give me a buzz and maybe we can meet in Delray sometime!
bill

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loving sunny florida. don't miss Long Island one bit. well, the one thing i miss is turning on the cold water faucet and actually getting COLD water. here it is tepid at best.

maybe we'll meet in Georgia sometime (halfway)...

be well.

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So, Doctor Bill, how are you enjoying sunny Florida? You made a big change moving from Long Island...

And Howie, I have a question for you. My son lives in Greensboro, NC and loves the music/radio business. I think you have a tie there to Daughtry. Ben has been a DJ at two college radio stations and is looking to enter that business. Perhaps we can communicate off line. My email is berks1@carolina.rr.com.

And to all, we would be enjoying beautiful Paradox Lake this time of year. Oh, the good old days. Berk

small world. we live here in west palm beach and a friend of mine told me his wife, phyllis, is from highland park. her brother david was class of 68 and friends of the illustrius neil neuschatz! of course, they knew a bunch of other paradoxians. they were familar with morris landis (of landis ford) but not alex and ann.

oh yes, his name is david goldstein, and now lives in NYC

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Scott Rovner and I are getting together for out yearly hang in Calabasas. Maybe if Dick Rosner is seeing this he can send me his info again cause I think he lives near me and we have vowed to try and hook up. Anyone else in the LA area that wants to try and hang with Rovner and I one day in a couple of weeks between the 20th and 26th of July let me know.

HB

ps - I am producing Kelly Clarkson to add to my collection of Idolists I have worked with. We were just yapping one day about summer camp and she, being from Texas, told me that that their camps were like beer and shotguns - very different from our forest primeval!! Tried as I did, i couldn't get her to sing Ameci - she just didn't seem interested...:)

I lived with Gary in the same house on Wellington Place in New Brunswick until the second grade, We lived in the upstairs apartment and his parents in the downstairs of a single house with two apartments. My earliest pictures growing up included his family. Blossom and Jerry,his parents have been very close family friends my entire life and I saw them last summer when they came up from Florida to attend my son's bar mitzvah. . It's funny, though, as well as I knew the Lowens, and that was fairly well, I had no idea Gary ever went to Paradox, nor did I know that Michael Jacobs went there either and both were just a year ahead of me.
 
 
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Know Gary Lowen?- also a Paradoxian and HP person. In my bunk for 3 years.
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it's great to see more postings again.
it must be the summer months and memories of camp that keep erupting like a dormant volcano.

just had dinner with rickey mittelberg last nite, and while didn't spend too much time talking about the paradox days, you know we both think about it often.

i remember the first time i discovered the original board and also spent much of one nite reading the posts. the 2002 reunion was a highlight getting together with old campers and counselors, but things ebbed on the postings afterwards. i think i was hoping we could do it again. perhaps meeting more centrally - like chicago (summertime) - might work.

trekking up to the ADKs is a shlep for people outside of the NY-NJ-CT area.
i wish you all well and hope you are enjoying your summer.

it's not too late in 2008!

bill rice

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I didn't know Michael went to Camp Paradox. I actually just spoke with him on facebook maybe three weeks ago. I spent more than one day at that beautiful house in HP while he played his 12 string and sang "and the world keeps turning" I went to Paragon. So you went to HP or are you from Twin brooks? I have relatives over there. What year did you graduate high school?
 
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Michael originally lived in Edison in Twin Brooks just over the border from Highland Park. I too am from that area off of North Fifth. Known him since we were 6 or 7. Same guy.
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Jeff,
Is that Michael Jacobs from Highland Park? Producer of Dinosaurs, Charles in Charge, Boy meets World, etc? He was a good friend of mine in high school. Are you from HP?

Gayle Lederman

We all carry with us pieces of Paradox. When you get a few of us together, each with different pieces, more of the whole is conjured up. That's what was so special about the Lake George reunion. There were lots of memories reconstructed during those hours around the pool or at the dinner table.

Jeff - i do remember you from my first year - for some reason the first year at Camp is still the most vivid for me. No, I don't know him - our business is very insulated (as they all are) and my direct job as record producer leaves me mainly in the studio most of the time.

The Carpenter Saga (as you have aptly named it) was, to me, one of the more interesting moments of the entire modern Camp experience. And I do mean in the present tense, not when it happened. To hear all of our stories and recollections of him was describing the same thing from hundreds of different perspectives. He had a MASSIVE effect on some, not much on others, and for me probably a one effect: he was the one who told me I had the qualities of being a good leader - that meant SO much to a ten year old (true or not) and to this day my leadership qualities that I need being a producer I can almost trace back to that comment.

I was lucky to not have experienced the other stuff. My brother Mitchell (PX 67-70) and I were talking that if that had happened in these days the lawsuits would have been flying fast and sure and Alex would have shut it down in 67 or so. But back then we got a letter telling us what happened, very matter of fact, and all the good parents sent the kids BACK!!! No way they get sent back now a days!!

Howard- we don't know each other (1963-65) but I agree with you completely. When I first read all the posts, especially the Carpenter saga, all my memories came flooding back. I would see names and have exact details of stories. I spent 2 days reading all the posts.

Now, it's like an old friend you visit with every once in a while- you see posts mostly from people you don't know. But it's still cool to have the connection.

If I recall correctly you are in the recording business. I have a friend from childhood that is a tv and movie producer - he went to paradox in 64 I think- Michael Jacobs. Know him?


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For whatever reason today i went back to the earliest posts of Tom's PX site and reread the first 30-40 of them. Its scary, how much you can forget what you didn't forget 10 years ago! Even though I guess the arc of the postings has reached its peak and is obviously declining I am glad this site still exists. I am also thankful whoever posted in those days of 1999-2005 told their stories and revealed their secrets.

Its weird, but when you read the first posts its almost like Camp was back again, there was such enthusiasm for the memories, they were flooding out and now, reading them in 2008, it REALLY feels like Paradox was a very, very long time ago.

HB

Peter, I've deleted and re-posted your previous post because it had personal information (email, phone, etc) that probably shouldn't be visible in a public spot like this. If nothing else, you open yourself up to getting your email address "harvested" by spammers. The remainder of your post is below. Welcome to the board!

And, campers, I figure the counselors are all in pre-camp training (learning about all the forms to fill out...) and a handful are getting ready to drive down to NJ and PA to pick us up in the buses. Did your mom get all the name tags sewn into the tee-shirts? - Tom

Hi,
Lou Rossini is best remembered around NYC, because he was the coach of the Columbia University basketball team and later NYU's teams. Tex Rosen was the Athletic Director of the Perth Amboy schools at that time. Jack Rohan was the 6th man on the basketball team at Columbia and, I think, played center field on their baseball team. He could throw a baseball on a strike from center field to the catcher behind home plate!! My email address is <redacted>. I would like very much to hear from you and see old pictures. I have a friend who went there in the middle 1930's! Thanks,
Peter

Peter G Waldman
Wald-Tex, Inc

Peter, check out http://www.campparadox.com/px/arch.htm
The past archives tell a lot about the current state of the place where Camp Paradox once existed. It's great to hear from campers of past incarnations of the camp.

hi peter:
too much to tell in a short time. check our website and past boards. i was there from 63-70 and i think i remember lou rossini, or the name anyway.

unfortunately the campsite is now developed and there are only a few of the original structures left.

we also have a www.myfamily.com site that you can see photo, etc. just need your email and we'll send you an invite.

take care.

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Did any of you go to Camp Paradox when Tex Rosen was the director and Lou Rossini was the head counselor? Jack Rohan was my counselor and Billy Beal used to take us on hikes up the mountains. That would be in the late '40's or early '50's. What ever happened to the Lodge?
Does anyone know if the camp stil exists? Lots of great memories.
Love to hear from you.

Richie and Paul are brothers. Richie is back in New Brunswick, he is a periodontist,Howie Krause practices law somewhere out in Long Island,

yes, I knew who most of them were. Given that the Landis's lived in HP there were a number of us there.Was Richie Kahn the brother of Paul Kahn?
 
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Thought so, Bobbi graduated with tommy and jerry rockoff, howie krause, richie Kahn, just to mention a few....tommy and jerry of paradox fame, the other two, roomates of mine at college

Yes. I was class of '74 and Bobbi was '71 I believe

Bobbie and Gayle Lederman, were you from Highland Park also?

Yes Margie was a few years behind me in high school. I always liked her.?Last time I got on?a Paradox site she emailed me.?We are both music teachers in? high school settings.. She is instrumental and I am vocal.
Bobbi is married and lives in Branchburg, NJ. She works for Pressman Toy company doing whatever it is she does. They do not have children. She has suffered for many years from various undiagnosed chronic syndroms that have ranged the gamut from Chronic Fatigue to who knows what. No physician has ever really hit the nail on the head.
That's about it for her story. I will tell her you said hello.









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Gayle,

Glad you've enjoyed the site.

There have been other Paragonians here on the site over the years, including (I think it's) Margie Landis. Perhaps some others lurk here occasionally. Maybe they'll come out of the woodwork now that you've shown up!

I've wondered over the years about Bobbi. Please say hello to her for me.

Tom

Hi Tom,
Thanks for the welcome. Bobbi is indeed my sister.

I have interesting memories of those years. I think I went for about three or four years. from 66 until 70 maybe?
I stopped up by camp Paragon maybe 20 years ago and after visiting with the family that owned the place, I sent them all of my memorabilia, the red bag, pillows, albums, and I think even the yearbooks. Entering that place for the first time since my childhood was like entering the twilight zone.

At any rate this is a great site and I'm glad I found it. Regards to all.

Hi, Gayle,

Welcome to the Paradox/Paragon board. I hope you found some of the pictures, videos, and discussion interesting.

Is Bobbie Lederman your sister?

Tom

Hello to all. This is Gayle Lederman. Actually Rubinstein is my last name now. Just checking the site out. Brian Clifford, I met you when you were doing Genesis training at Pemberton HS.
Debbie was my counselor at Paragon in'66 and also my English teacher in middle school.

Anyway, I was in one of your plays the first year that Paragon opened. I played opposite Michael Simon.

Regards to any and all.

Hi Colette: I am Rick Mittelberg (Leslie's older brother) writing to you from Miami, Florida. Leslie actually lives in Eugene Oregon with her husband and two boys (young men now, I guess). If you would like to get in touch with her...please let me know. She currently owns an African Artifacts business in the Eugene area and travels constantly.

We might have known each other as well...but during your tenure at Paragon I was an aspiring CIT & ACIT with such benefits as going to the Chez for a burger or three after the kids were put to bed.

Let me know if you want to connect.

I remember slamming down a package of Bonomo's on my elementary school floor (remember how breaking it allowed you to share). Instead of having a nicely fractured bar in the package, there was an "explosion" with taffy shrapnel spreading quite a distance as the package broke. It taught an excellent lesson about being less agressive in my candy "separation". Hum, I don't remember if we invoked the "5-second" rule.

Random roaming on the internet led me to Turkish Taffy. I'd never seen it in the midwest. Sure brings back memories . . .
http://www.oldtimecandy.com/bonomo.htm

Who's tapping her toes

hi colette:this is debbie's brother, bill- a paradoxian. and i'd love to hear some stories about Bunk Esther that summer. debbie lives in corte madera, CA (marin county) with her husband, 3 kids, dog, cats, & guinea pigs!

thanks

bill

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Robin, I certainly hope you weren't referring to me as one of the "odd" counselors at Camp Paragon! I was there in '68 and '69 and enjoyed it very much, but have to admit it was part of my "growing pains".
I was counselor in "Bunk Esther" and my charges included Debbie Rice, Leslie Mittelberg(who I recently sent letters that she had written to me in the early '70's),Hillary Hyman, Ina Weber, and Mindy Nelkin.

I visited the camp in 1995 and saw it was occupied by families, or was in disrepair. I stopped to see Cathy Carlozzi who still lived in Paradox. She was in good health, and lived there by herself--a grand woman.

I admired the Landis family very much, and am in sorrow over their passing.

Wow! Does that bring back memories. Especially those two shoulder pads on the straps. Many a trail mile looking down with those in my peripheral vision.

Photo collage of "vintage" hiking gear

I swear I have a permanent curve in my back to this day because of those packs. Throw on some #10 cans of Gumpert Ravoli and those two-burner coleman stoves and you had 60-70 pounds on your back.

Take a picture of the pack and post it!

Deb and I hosted Jesse and Nancy (Gould) Strauss today for dinner. Jesse had recently done some archaeological work in his attic and uncovered an old army surplus A-frame rucksack which had belonged to Larry. Jesse got good service from it, too, during the 1967 season. Check the pix on "My Family". For those (like me) who used that kind of pack, contrast them with the ultra "high-tech" (and light!) packs of today. Ah well, I guess the stories wouldn't be as good if it had be easier....

have you perused ALL the photos on the myfamily.com site already, too.



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hola everyone,

howard benson just sent me this link with all the pics! wow! anderberg you are the man! thanks so much for them! the original ADK Quintet-jim a, tom f, cramer, uniman, and brodsky look so intrepid! can you guys believe we hiked all over the planet with those 40lb metal frames?

more to follow. hope you all are fine. scott rovner, from colorado bids adieu.

Hey Walt! Great to see you've discovered this site. I see you don't have an account on the Myfamily.com site where we have lots of CP photos. If you send me your email address (jimanderberg "at" fairpoint "dot" net)I can set you up with access. I was just checking through my photos and have hardly any photos of you. How did you manage to escape the camera on all those trips? Here's one on my photo site of you: http://jimmaine.smugmug.com/gallery/955560_6f6Hd#43932073

Did you ever become a 46'er?

Do you have any photos to contribute?

Edited by author 03-03-2008 11:15 AM
I just received this email and picture (at the link) from Walt Teunisen. Walt was instrumental in my getting all 46 peaks. As I recall, Jim A. carefully orchestrated all of our summer climbing schedules so we could "fill in the gaps," of missing peaks. Walt took me out on several trips on his days off. Thanks, Walt!

Hello, Tom,

I found the attached pamphlet recently and thought it might bring back some pleasant memories for you, as it did for me. ... The summer at Paradox in '69 was unforgettable. It was a thrill to be on Nye with the five 46R's. Congratulations on the website.

Walt

http://www.campparadox.com/px/walt1.jpg

I'm in too!
i'll see if i can contact david and see what he thinks


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Im in - Ill contribute - great idea. I'd rather it say "99 Good guys and one sorehead" (wasn't that the other motto?!)


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What a great idea!

Edited by author 02-23-2008 02:29 PM
As I was reading some of the past archives I noticed many of you saying you returned to the CP site looking for some signs of the camp and found nothing. It got me to thinking that perhaps it would be nice to arrange to have some sort of momument for Camp Paradox placed somewhere on the property. I'm sure Dave Bruce (is that his name?), the guy that now lives in the Ole Lar cabin, would allow us to erect something on his property - perhaps along the road at the site of Rogers Hall.

How about a gray and red granite obelisk with the CP logo and motto "Where Outdoor Living Molds Character" or "May your sons for ere be loyal where so ere they roam". You get the idea. I have no idea what it all would cost but I'll bet we could raise the money

How in the world did you dig that up??


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Found this on my wanderings on the internet: United States Patent 5871211
The Camp Paradox board game is described as a working example about 3/4 the way down the page.

Sorry about the blank reply just before.

Anyway, I remember one of my counselors telling me when you jumped off the 3rd level you went down so far into the lake you saw the dead campers that never made it back up. I was PETREFIED and closed my eyes the whole time. One thing about CP is that counselors and older campers would take the time to scare you silly when they could!


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I don't *think* that's me in the striped shirt, Jim. But it's really hard to tell. I'm about 99% sure there's a picture of me posted on Tom's main page under "Pictures from the 1960's." There's a photo entitled "Eric Landis meets Billy Birnbaum" (or something close to that); I'm on the very far right in a Camp Paradox Tee and gray shorts. Standing next to me is (I can't be 100% sure 'cause his head is turned away) Lloyd Hascoe. Also, in the dead center of the photo is my kid brother, Jay. He's the little blond guy. That pic must've been summer of '69 because that was Jay's first year at Paradox.

Regarding cliff jumping. A few years back I went over to Paradox and rented a canoe and paddled up to Crawford and the CP shorline. Then I headed over to the cliffs you guys used to jump from. Now that I'm a parent and have a different perspective on the world I couldn't believe we used to let you guys jump from there!

Wow, Rocket launch! I started doing that a little a few years ago for a minute. It is so much safer now then it was. We could have blown off hands or electrocuted everyone! But then everything we did at Camp was so risky we couldn't do 80% of the things we did then. Cliff jumping, junk rifle shooting, even the electricity in the bunks was a step away from killing everyone!

Randy - are you the guy in the striped shirt?
If you send me your email address I can send you a link to the MyFamily.com site where there are lots of photos.

Rocket Launch

Rocket Landing

I received this email (& Randy's permission to post it) earlier today:

Dear Tom:
 
I don't know what possessed me but I thought I'd do a web search on Camp Paradox today and was I ever surprised (and thrilled) to find your website! What an incredible trip into my distant past!
 
I was a camper from 1968 to 1970, and I remember quite a bit. When I first arrived in '68, I was a scared 8 year-old spending his first summer away from home. I'm sure you don't remember me, but I remember you quite vividly. I seem to recall you were a 16 year-old C.I.T. that first summer. I have this memory of you on either the upper or lower field launching a small toy rocket, much to the delight of us 8 and 9 year-olds! You were really the bomb to us, way beyond cool!
 
The following summer (1969), I remember being one of the campers involved in (what I only just now realize) a near-fatal traffic accident when we were returning to camp from an OCC and were forced off the road onto a muddy shoulder only to have our van sink into the mud and start to fall over the embankment down a very steep ravine. Luckily, a tree stopped the van from going over and down. At the time, none of us campers realized how close we were to being killed that rainy day. It was only today while reading through all the posts on your site that I came across the details of the incident from the counselor who was driving the van that day that I realized what a close call we had! Yikes!
 
I remember some of my bunk mates during those years: Lloyd Hascoe, who was also one of my best friends and my neighbor in the same town we lived in Westchester County, New York; David Raven from Clifton, New Jersey who was another good pal and John Katzman, who lived in the biggest, coolest apartment I ever saw on Central Park West in Manhattan.
 
You know, it's been nearly 40 years and so many memories have come flooding back to me like they were just yesterday after spending just a few hours on your site. So much has happened to me since 1970! (I guess we can all say that.) I've been living in Southern California since graduating from N.Y.U. in the mid-1980's and in 2003 I was visiting in Lake George and staying at the Sagamore with my girlfriend (we were there for a wedding) and after wards we took a day trip to Vermont and Fort Ticonderoga (another great OCC memory from Camp Paradox) and on the way back we tried to find the camp. Unfortunately, we couldn't locate it, which was very frustrating. We stopped in a couple places around Lake Paradox and asked some of the locals, but no one had ever heard of it. If only I knew of your site back then! If only I'd thought to ask where Crawford Island was located! I'm still kicking myself because who knows when I'll be anywhere near upstate New York again.
 
There's a story I have about GER that I've never told anyone in my entire life. I'm sort of embarrassed now to tell it, but what the hell. The very last night of camp in 1970 - which was, in essence, the very last night in the history of the camp - we had the traditional farewell dinner followed by the trek down to the lake with all the candles. Well, something didn't quite agree with me that night. Probably all that rich, delicious food after a summer of not-so-great camp fare. Anyhow, by the time we got down to the lake I was feeling a bit green around the gills, so when no one was looking, I ran quickly up the trail back to my cabin. I forget the name or number of the cabin, but it was one of the "U" shaped cabins. Eric Landis was one of our counselors and a guy named Joe (I've long forgotten his last name) was another counselor, and we had an ACIT named Jeff (whose last name I also forget). GER's residence was almost directly behind our cabin.
 
By the time I reached the cabin, I didn't know what to first, puke my guts out or go to the toilet and have the runs. I was only 10 years-old, so I was understandably in a complete panic. I remember running back and forth in the cabin from the bathroom to the outside front, alternatingly vomiting and crapping my insides out. On one of my dashes outside, I didn't quite make it, so I grabbed a tee-shirt and was sick in it as I was running to the front door. As I got outside, standing with my puke-covered shirt, I decided to just throw the shirt into the trees next to the cabin - I mean, I had no idea what else to do with it! Just then, GER suddenly appeared, seemingly out of nowhere and wearing a bathrobe - he was either on his way to or from the showers. He looked at me and said in that unmistakable and unforgettable voice of his:
 
"You know, young man, I've been watching you for the last several minutes and you are behaving quite strangely. Just what is it you are doing? And what was that you just threw into the bushes?"
 
Well, I was so embarrassed and so caught off guard that I couldn't answer him. I had no idea what to say. He just stared at me for what seemed like an eternity.
 
"Well?" he snapped at me looking very annoyed.
 
I still couldn't answer. I just hung my head in shame and nervously wondered just how much he actually saw through the cabin screens. Finally, he walked away just shaking his head disgustedly. I'm sure he must've thought I was one very, very weird kid! Thank God this happened after his annual farewell address!
 
Hey, Tom, keep up this great website. I'm so glad I found it and I look forward to more Camp Paradox memories! Cheers!
 
Randy Horowitz

A subsequent email from him here:

Just a post script re: GER. I want to make clear that I've never had any rancor or enmity toward him. He was just an irascible curmudgeon to me (and a brilliant one, at that!) I had very few encounters with him at Camp Paradox, as he was head of the drama dept., which I wasn't involved with at all. Ironic, since I later (much later) went into entertainment in L.A.
 
Listening to his audio to you, I felt an overwhelming sense of sadness for him. I never knew that it took him 15 years after the camp's closing in 1970 to get the equilibrium in his life back. I truly hope his last years were happy ones.
 
Hope all is well with you and look forward to reading more stuff on your site.

Robin and Eric,

Trully got to know your parents well during my last two years at camp as a cit and then acit. They were alway extremely generous. Always felt at home in their cottage as well. They were always quick to loan us the old ford station wagon to go out during the week. Of course flonachers GTO was our first choice but getting some wheels was always a priority. The Landis's made those last few years at camp the best. I know they were stuggling with alot of new staff changes at camp that last year. They always did the best they could and put the welfare of the campers above everything.

My last memories of Alex and Ann are when they were my patients in my pharmacy in Edison some 14 years ago. They had both aged gracefully and were still the same warm and charming people that I remembered from my childhood. I remember Alex kept inviting me and my girlfriend up to their house in Newton (?) and we never made it. The last time i saw him, he told me time was running out.

Eric and Robin, i am truly sorry for your loss.


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to robin & eric:
our thoughts are with you as your mourn the loss of your mother.
as tom said, she certainly had an impact on all our lives.

with deepest sympathy

bill

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I received sad news from Robin Landis Carlier this morning. Ann Landis passed away on December 18th in Newton Memorial Hospital near her home in Branchville, NJ.

In my emailed response to Robin, I told her that Ann was deeply admired by so many of us. And, she served as an excellent example of a strong women -- a role model in which she was decades ahead of her time. In many ways, known and unknown, she had a formative role in who I am today.

No doubt many of you will have similar recollections of her that you'd like to share with us?

Tom

Yea - he's still very humble guy - I was with him at American Music Awards last week where he won 3 of them (and gave kudo's to yours truly during thankyou's!) and he still tells stories of that job - its weird to me as his producer that he wasn't discovered earlier in his life cause he has such a great voice. It is one of the best I have produced. I think he was in a band in the area near you that was pretty bad and held him back. As Warhol said: your 15 minutes are just about up!


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It must be some weird conjunction of the stars and planets . . . I was at a doctor's appointment last Wednesday and he was asking about Thanksgiving suppers and we got to talking about people's tastes and how some people really overdo the sweets. He asked me if I had ever run into Eagle Brand condensed milk! Which, as you can imagine, prompted me to tell him the mung story. My apologies to the "Brethern of the Mung" for sharing some of the deepest secrets of that society with the non-initiated. I figure the statute of limitations has expired.

Funny you mention mung. When my wife and I were shopping for thanksgiving about 1 1/2 weeks ago, we went by a condensed milk display and I talked about mung and CP. Howie, saw you mentioned Daughtry in an earlier posting. Up until 6 months ago when we moved to Charlotte, NC, we lived in Greensboro where Chris worked in the parts dep't of the local Honda dealership. After his fame, he built a house in Oak Ridge, the neighboring town. He's a local boy who hit it big.

eagle brand sweetened condensed milk boiled in a campfire!

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Eagle Brand Condensed Milk. Those of you lucky enough to have partaken know well that once it "sets up" it is pretty much forever. The mung tasting spoons were always a "write off". I seem to remember that mung originated on a camping trip in Canada where the last of the food (the condensed milk) ended up in the fire after the kind of argument that only hungry guys can have and later exploded the golden goodness.

Coincidentally, my niece brought us back a bottle of dulce de leche from Argentina. It is the Spanish equivalent of mung. It is made from sweetened condensed milk which is cooked, and cooked, and cooked. It ends up being kinda brown, thick, and sweet. There are many stories about the origin of dulce de leche. One story involves the 19th century Argentinian caudillo Juan Manuel de Rosas. The story goes that in a winter afternoon at the Rosas house, the maid was making some lechada&#E2;P^a drink made with milk and sugar boiled until it starts to caramelize&#E2;P^and she heard someone knocking at the door. She left the lechada on the stove and went to answer the door; and when she came back, the lechada was burnt and had turned into a brown jam: dulce de leche. It is, however, more likely to have its origins in Europe, possibly as the French confiture de lait: a popular similar legend dating back from the 14th century exists in the region of Normandy, involving a cook from the military troops who had the same culinary accident when making sweetened milk for breakfast. Variations of this legend refer to a cook in Napoleon's army.
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Mung: There are two sources of mung. LDC demonstrated one, and told us the story of the other. (I'll let you guess which is which.)

1. Take a can of Eagle Brand condensed milk. Poke a hole in the top. Carefully it in coals of a fire. It will boil and bubble. Remove it from the fire and open. If cooked properly, there will be a hardened shell around the perimeter of the inside of the can. Mung is the thick, very condensed liquid (VERY hot) in the center.

2. Take a moose. String it up by its antlers from a tree. Put a cork in its butt... presumably very carefully! Feed it for two weeks. Remove the cork ... again, using care. The first three drops of liquid that ooze out after the cork is removed are mung.

I can recall rolling around in the trees, beyond the light cast by the fire, wrestling with Jack F. (I think) for the can.

I can also recall some campers reporting to the nurse (above the dining hall) with sick stomachs the next day!

What was mung made out of anyway?

Wow, I know this is very weird, but this brings back a really gross memory to me: Above the toilet in Bunk 6 was the scrawl

"5 Plops by Jeff Osman"

followed by

"Ronald Stackaroo sat here"

Now I understand how the writers get their ideas for "Southpark"!

Bri's "spot" in Bunk 6

Howie,

I think it was Dick's brother Jim. It sounds like washing has really paid off for you. It's kind of amazing how many Paradoxians have made their mark on the world, and it sounds like you are certainly one who has.

Actually, that cabin was one of the few still standing in original form when we had the 2002 reunion. It was hidden by trees. I found a "Bri" in magic marker on the bathroom wall at which I assume was my place to keep my toothbrush, etc. It was kind of spooky and of course brought back many memories.

I'll try to post it below.

Best,

Bri

Howard,

"Tabletop" sounds familiar, but I don't remember me as a CIT in bunk 6. I was either in Chez 21 or the Log Cabin in '65. (The Log Cabin must have been '66 or '67.) I don't remember the Stresiand fan, although Scot Landis was a Ray Charles fan!

Bri-

I had to comment upon seeing your posts - I wanted to let you know that even after all these years I remember that you were the first person I met when I got off the bus under the 100 Good Guys and 2 Soreheads arch (Or was it "Outdoor living molds character"?) - and then you were my counselor! I happen to have kept the winter guidance counselor evaluations of me that you sent the first summer I was there. You apparently wrote "WASH ME" in magic marker on my stomach cause I never took a shower and you wanted me to wash it off!! Brilliant! If that isn't guidance counseling what the heck is! But I do remember you were very caring to the young campers and it really had a great effect on me - I was not AS homesick as I usually got! I think Dick Rossner was the co in the Bunk 6 Cabin - Tabletop? Dick is that right? Someone in that "U" at the time - 1965 - was a Streisand fan big time. Can't remember who.

FYI for all you explorers my bro Mitchell Benson aka minibenson is well on his way to becoming a 46er - just got some Cold River region ADK's last week. If anyone want to contact him about climbing with him next summer please let me know.

And for all you music lovers my album I produced "Daughtry" went triple platinum a few weeks ago and is the biggest selling record of the year so far. I'm hoping I get the nomination again for Producer of the Year at the 50th Grammy's, but nothing is ever sure in those things so I'm not counting on it. Met with Dave Matthews last week - might produce his next one. It's a long way from Ragona's Farfisa...

HB


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...f-word...

I just finished a fairly long posting and tried to upload a pix with it. The pix seemed to arrive, but no message.

I'll try again.

Dick Rossner's mention of EST brought to mind attendance at the Association of Humanistic Psychology conference in Estes Park. CO in 1975. We (Deb & I) were poor counseling graduate students at the Univ. of Tennessee. We loaded our trusty VW Camper bus and headed west to learn of all the fringe psychology theories and practices. We were "working off" our tuition by doing administrative tasks like registration and being in charge of room setup, "working the door", etc. I got Werner Erhart's (sp.?) EST workshop as door monitor. I didn't last long after he started, though. He came across as distinctly non-humanistic, controlling, dictatorial, and generally obnoxious (and remember that as a counselor I consider myself non-judgmental!). We did, by the way, meet lots of wierd, albeit nice, people there.

Oh, and re: humor. I attended a national counseling conference in the 1990's and after a day of serious workshops attended an auditorium presenation about humor (the humorist wasn't a counselor). She has the entire room in tears of laughter and gasping for breath. Just the way she put a humorous twist on so many of the "pain in the ass" things we all deal with. For example, I vaguely remember a bit she did about how "they" must call ahead when she is going to the grocery store to put the slowest "clerk in training" on her line. I can see how you can do some powerful stuff with humor. What is that quote about "if we can laugh at ourselves when...."

Oh, the picture. It is of me doing a workshop about Forest Ecology at Stokes Forest in New Jersey. For over 25 years I have accompanied 6th, and more recently, 5th graders from Judd Elementary School in North Brunswick for 3 day environmental programs. I guess the camp counselor still lives inside that aging body.

Forest Ecology hike at Stokes Forest

Nice post, Brian. That was terrific that you were able to meet up with Jesse in Yellowstone! As for Dave Milch...sorry. He was from the Buffalo, NY, Milches.

I've been catching up on all the postings. it seems like only yesterday that I looked and there were only two or three. Retirement time tends to be very non-specific.... A few random thoughts (I mostly seem to have random thoughts these days): I just got to the Dave Dukes posting (I'm reading backwards) and remembered telling the Marcy story many times over the years to show how a small thing can change one's perspective. I went to pick him up at the end of the access road the rangers used to get to Marcy Dam. He was pretty bummed about breaking his arm, probably focused on all he couldn't do rather than the pain. Enroute to the Lake Placid hospital I helped him "reframe" the experience to "I broke my arm on top of the highest mountain in New York". When he called home from the hospital that's how he reported it. That was good for calming his parents down, too. And now, I have a fence that needs painting....

Deb and I headed west at the end of August to visit many of the wonderful national parks we had yet to see. Coincidentally, Jesse and Nancy(Gould) Strauss were in Yellowstone and Grand Teton at the same time we were. We enjoyed getting together to celebrate their anniversary, to explore the backcountry, and to take a short hike or two. Boy are those western mountains different from our beloved Adirondacks. They are pointy (they are not as old as the eastern ones), and very dry. It was strange being in the woods and not getting mud splashes up to my knees. Jesse kept muttering that you could lose Yellowstone & Grand Teton in the Adirondacks and still have plenty of space left.

For all you old Metuchenite Paradoxians I have news. They have finally filled in, and leveled, the soccer field in front of M.H.S. (you know the one with the storm drain in the middle...well not anymore).

Hey, was Dave Milch one of the Highland Park Milches? I remember Deb teaching Dippy Milch her first year in H.P.

PS: i still have the current Paradox directory.

if any information has changed in the past 5 years please send it to me so i can update the directory. it's an excel spreadsheet if i recall and can email it to anyone who wants...

take care.


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yeah... i'm sorry i missed a bunch of those reunions.. those were our close friends from high school days and the ones i remember best. no interest in other high school reunion stuff.

give me a buzz some time...


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bill,

last time he was either in boston or a suburb...hey..in the mean time...your missing the other half of your life here...lots of local reunion stuff...youth group people etc.

hi alan
i tried that number for BInglis -- no go unfortunately...
not sure if you saw my last note, tho.

i've been looking for him for quite some time and no leads.
what was the last known address or contact you have for him.?


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Howie,

Looking forward to getting togther when you are done with your project!

HOWIE, let me know if that is him..i would love to talk to him also....you can reach me at alan553@aol.com

Absolutely, I am planning on calling after I'm done with the project I am on. Would love to reminisce!


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i remember Joe...we all used to pal around at camp,....Kept in touch with BINGLIS for a while after the camp years...came down from boston to visit once...as a matter of fact...saw the motion picture MASH with him....

thanks for the lead, alan (bruce inglis). but i've been looking for him for years and not even a close lead. he also had a friend, joe ziobro, who was a counselor around the same time.

i hope bruce is still around, but you never know...


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Howie,

You very well summed up one aspect of the spirit and fun at Paradox. Clever wit, "in" jokes in which everyone participated. The outsiders were simply the rest of the world. And we still have the laughs 40 years later! Pretty amazing. As I posted earlier, I live around the corner from you in Woodland Hills. If you want to get together sometime, raise a lantern.

Bruce S Inglis (978) 774-9468 8 Edgewood Rd, Middleton, MA 01949, as per google????

Well, my wife shot down that idea - I told her what I was thinking, you know, in the backyard, a totem pole in the garden area, she says "are you smoking that stuff again??". I haven't for 15 years but I can understand the question now that the excitement has worn off! I'll post my Paradox shrine later on. I also have some 1966 authentic PX T-shirts that could only fit a very thin 8 year old, and that wasn't me!

Finally I know who made those t -shirts of "E" as I think we called him. Billy and Bruce Inglis! Whatever happened to him? I remember that moment at the retreat when we all wore those.

It was an interesting part of PX that there was a very smart sense of humor that pervaded the camp - it was never talked about, but it was a great part of camp life. The "in" jokes were very in, but everyone was invited to participate, no one was really excluded.

There were cliques, but never to the extent of intentionally hurting anyone - a lot came from Carpenter and his love for the kids (I know what you are thinking), but it kept a lid on bullying that went on at other camps. I never heard of that at our camp.


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