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| angelfire1712
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11-21-2009 12:55 AM ET (US)
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we're told by our state steward that if a manager/supe/pm tells us to do something..(even tho it goes against the contract) we have to do it and then grieve it after the fact. We're having problems here...all of our rural routers have pretty good sized routes, family obligations, etc...iow, no time for a life and so signing up to be a steward is an impossibility. We have a steward who is a sub and doesn't stay of track for filing grievances. There's another in the office who wants to be steward but that person has a score to settle with people so you know where that'll lead. I'd like to be able to file my own grievances and represent myself; is that possible? Also, are any offices out there having management tell you that any new territory that opens up that is in the city limits must go to city carrriers...something the NLCA and management agreed on when they were consolidating city routes. I get vague answers from state...can anyone answer these concerns. tia angelfire1712 |  | |
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| Surprise!
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11-21-2009 12:38 AM ET (US)
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I DON'T SEEM TO BE FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION. THIS IS THE RESULT I GET. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...001302----000-.htmlIT CAN BE FOUND IN TITLE 5 UNITED STATES CODE (U.S.C.) 1302. THAT CAN BE FOUND AT OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT'S (OPM) WEBSITE. § 1302. Regulations (a) The Office of Personnel Management, subject to the rules prescribed by the President under this title for the administration of the competitive service, shall prescribe regulations for, control, supervise, and preserve the records of, examinations for the competitive service. (b) The Office shall prescribe and enforce regulations for the administration of the provisions of this title, and Executive orders issued in furtherance thereof, that implement the Congressional policy that preference shall be given to preference eligibles in certification for appointment, and in appointment, reinstatement, reemployment, and retention, in the competitive service in Executive agencies, permanent or temporary, and in the government of the District of Columbia. (c) The Office shall prescribe regulations for the administration of the provisions of this title that implement the Congressional policy that preference shall be given to preference eligibles in certification for appointment, and in appointment, reinstatement, reemployment, and retention, in the excepted service in Executive agencies, permanent or temporary, and in the government of the District of Columbia. (d) The Office may prescribe reasonable procedure and regulations for the administration of its functions under chapter 15 of this title. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...001007----000-.htmlSEC 1007 OF THE POSTAL REORGANIZATION ACT § 1007. Seniority for employees in rural service Subject to agreements made under chapter 12 of this title, the seniority of an employee of the Postal Service occupying a position whose regular duty involves the collection and delivery of mail on a rural route shall be preserved. Seniority for such employee shall commence on the first day of his service in such a position, or, in the event such an employee transfers to another such position, on the day he enters duty in the other position. Upon initial assignment, such an employee shall be assigned to the least desirable route and shall attain assignment to more desirable routes by seniority. Promotions and assignments for such an employee in such position shall be based on seniority and ability. If ability be sufficient, seniority shall govern.
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| Surprise!
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11-20-2009 11:52 PM ET (US)
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WHAT ABOUT GOING AFTER THE TOOTHLESS NRLCA?
We can file all the grievances we want. We can tell the NRLCA rep to go after the Postal Service. If the NRLCA rep is just licking Postal Service toes, I don't think we are going to generate much respect for our position.
Do we need to retrain the NRLCA dog first?
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| JoeRR2
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11-20-2009 11:10 PM ET (US)
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Jas, if you have that linked, it would be appreciated, searching OPM got nowhere fast.
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11-20-2009 11:01 PM ET (US)
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And the point in that is YOU!!! yes YOU got to know your contract...if your going to 'school' your sup or pm...lmao
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| JoeRR2
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11-20-2009 10:49 PM ET (US)
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exactly what tha............... but the truth is, you HAVE to do it, then you can grieve it. Can't file a grievance against it for them thinking about it, only for making you do it.
Then comes the problem of the Stew system actually DOING anything with the grievance once initiated. Management will continue to do it as long as they don't fear the NRLCA, and as long is there is no PENALTY for mismanagement, there will always be mismanagement.
I agree that the more of us that stand and fight, the LESS problems there will be, but you gotta admit also, that they aren't afraid of getting bit by a toothless dog, and will continue until they do get bit by something with teeth.
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| what_tha?
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11-20-2009 08:23 PM ET (US)
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Management has the right to manage..........in accordance with the contract.
Soooooooo many people are under the illusion management can tell you anything and you gotta do it....
If people would stand up to those PM's who do not know what's in the contract, you can stop this mismanagement in its tracks. Sometimes, the PM just needs a little training! LOL.
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| JASNM
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11-20-2009 06:11 PM ET (US)
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It can be found in Title 5 United States Code (U.S.C.) 1302. That can be found at Office of Personnel Management's (OPM) website.
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| JoeRR2
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11-20-2009 05:16 PM ET (US)
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Jas, any possible references for that? I can't seem to find a copy of sec 1007 of the Postal Reorganization Act.... woud be a handy reference to add to the collection
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| JASNM
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11-20-2009 04:46 PM ET (US)
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Keep this in mind too. If a route is lost due to consolidation that is considered "down sizing." If that junior RCA is a veteran, his/her military time would kick in for seniority and could make him/her a more senior RCA.
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| JoeRR2
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11-20-2009 02:02 PM ET (US)
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Today's little tidbit of information, taken from analysis of contract changes....
This one deals with "Borrowing" subs from outside units to cover a route. Sometimes why something was put in the contract is only reflected in these analysis docs, and then forgotten.
Article 30.2.D.4. indicates that if management has exhausted the matrix and attempted to use a qualified RCA in the delivery unit in order to cover a route, "...the Employer may designate any other leave replacement prior to selecting a regular rural carrier to work in accordance with Article 8 Section 5." The other leave replacements referred to would be unqualified substitutes, RCAs, or RCRs in the delivery unit; TRCs in the delivery unit; or qualified or unqualified substitutes, RCAs, RCRs, or TRCs in other delivery units within the office. A leave replacement may not be borrowed from another office until all available regular rural carriers (on and off the relief day work list) have been assigned to work the relief day.
Have fun with this one!
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11-20-2009 10:53 AM ET (US)
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This is what you sign when you accept the aux on a 6 day assignment..you tell me that they couldnt use that to justify the fact..that your relinquished your right to serve as a primary on any OTHer route..I am not saying THEY WILL...im saying...do you really trust your ASSOCIATION to fight it out for you? Im not sure I would.
OPTION B Or I (date) 91 , elect to serve Auxi\iery rural route # (name of carrier) SIX (6) DAYS each week. I understand all rights to be a leave replacement (primary, second or third) for any other regular route in the office will be relinquished. Additionally, I acknowledge that I may relinquish
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11-20-2009 10:48 AM ET (US)
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hey joe..a PTF trumps an RCA everytime...!!!
TRcs...your right...but a PTF is a different colored horse!
something to think about also!!! In event of excess...regular carriers who are excessed can revert to PTF status..and really move and shake that releif day leave replacement consideration. IF they excessed enough regulars...it aint gonna matter if your senior sub or not...how many K routes does it take to warrant a PTF position? LOL!!! how many K routes left in your office? think about it!!!
Im not trying to be the profit of doom here...But that latest financial report, how many have read it? If you actually believe they aint coming with the hatchet...your nuts!! LMAO...
and NO ...i really dont expect anyone to sue the PO...I was thinking more along the lines of them going for the union...perhaps because they pay dues to a ASS that contradicts itself at every turn..once again a rebid is one thing...a bump is another.
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11-20-2009 10:40 AM ET (US)
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Im not a junior sub..so I am not worried..Im not an AUX sub either ..so Im definately not worried. The point I was trying to make...was this: IF the only VACANT route for you to retreat TO is an H route...THAT is what you will get if you are an AUX sub.
The only situation in which that would NOT apply...is if your office has consolidations..and ROUTES went up for rebid.!!!
If all the other subs are sitting on nice cushy K routes..and your aux route is reabsorbed...there are still subs out there thinking they can BUMP the juniors off their primaries...cause they want a better route. IT DOES NOT WORK that way!!
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| JoeRR2
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11-20-2009 09:48 AM ET (US)
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Athough count does determine the amount of office time and streettime, departure time is still determined by your start time, which of course, is set by management.
Standard mail... the 3 day crap is just that, crap, because you cannot leave the mail without management approval. Dated mail being an exception.
I would like to see a settled grievance on someone winning that 3 day rule on standard mail.
The point in bringing up what it used to say about aux and sub, if before this would happen, if there is a trc or ptf, you are aware that they should go before you, and make sure your manager knows it.
Obviously it is more important to cut n paste quotes back n forth about things that management is going to do their way anyhow than to look at ways to prevent it from happening. IF you can be aware, you may be able to avoid a problem through communication with your manager, which is all that was recommended.
The final steps on consolidation are still up in the air, we haven't even seen the beginning of it. With that being said, removals and excessing quidance is right there with it. All it takes is an MOU, and all we THINK is right and proper is gone. When was the last time Management or NRLCA asked for your input on an MOU, like #21 for example?
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11-20-2009 07:18 AM ET (US)
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their position, not their assignment
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