Still trolling I see.

I thought you had gone away!

The draft agreement was nearly complete but I began to suspect that you were not going to stand behind your words and so finishing it off would be throwing away good time after bad.

If we don't know who you are how is any agreement enforceable?

Guy


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How you comin' with that escrow acct there Guy? You got your $100K in there yet?

In the absence of any comment concerning my proposed treadmill methodology and suggestion to contact the Chief Executive of RORC I assume they are acceptable to you.

We cannot rely on only one potential source of independent observers, do you have any suggestions of others?

Best regards,

Guy

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Edited by author 08-20-2008 08:19 AM
Classic troll.

>> It was his decision to do this in public...

It's hard to make a public offer of a bet in private

>> I have responded openly.

On the contrary. You refuse to even tell me what continent you're on.

>> He did not make anonymity a condition of his public offer - if he had everyone would have laughed.

I told you I wouldn't put my personal info on this forum, and I provided a means of contacting me directly to share all info. And yes, everyone is laughing - at the troll.

>>It is implicit in his proposal that he identify himself at some point

And yet you refuse to contact me to proceed.

>>I intend to see the agreement I have with him through to completion.

You have no agreement. You've said you don't like my words, but have failed to produce your own. You've said you don't like my arbiters, but have failed to provide your own.

You have no agreement, you have no money, and you have no intention of being anything more than a troll.

>> I am using my own name...

And are unwilling to tell me what continent you are on, or this demonstration would have to take place on.


Classic troll!

"Most private contact information" = his name?

It was his decision to do this in public, I have responded openly. He did not make anonymity a condition of his public offer - if he had everyone would have laughed.

It is implicit in his proposal that he identify himself at some point (without that nothing can happen) - until he does there has to be significant doubt that he is willing to stand behind his own words.
I intend to see the agreement I have with him through to completion. I am using my own name and fully willing to conduct the entire exercise in the particular public arena he has chosen.

I have taken the step of responding in my name, he has not reciprocated. I find it strange that you attempt to portray my wish to know his name as a reason for doubting my seriousness.


Guy



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Edited by author 08-20-2008 03:24 AM
>> It intrigues me that, while I am the one to do you the favour of accepting your challenge...

Classic troll. You *pretented* to accept my challenge because that's what trolls do. If you really had the ability and intent to accept my challenge, it would be because you think you could win. But if you really wanted to do me a favor you'd just send me the money. Classic troll.

>> but you wont tell us your name.

I posted an email address to exchange all necessary personal data. You won't even tell me what country you're in. Nor will you contact me via the email I posted. Classic troll.

>> I am the one who is deadly serious here.

You're a serious troll - and I'm embarrassed to admit I got sucked in by your silliness.

Guy:
>I am the one who is deadly serious here.

Guy to Spork:
> ... you wont tell us your name. Please do so.

Why would you be expect to be taken seriously when you continue to ask a question that has already been addressed. That's not the sign of "serious", but rather the sign of "troll". Seems to me that Mr. "Serious" would have been using the email that Spork provided to get your questions answered.

I can't imagine why you would expect someone to post private contact information on a public forum -- after all, you wouldn't even take the first step of providing an email address as he requested ... Spork took that first step when you would not, so how does that make you serious again?

Action says "serious" like nothing else -- so far, by giving you a private email to use Spork has demonstrated such. Why not just cut the crap and make the contact?

JB

I did explain why I had not.

I am the one who is deadly serious here.


Guy

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Guy ... just an observation. Just because party "A" says they don't have a deadline, doesn't mean that this releases party "B" from being judged by their actions.

When you say you will do something by a certain time and without update repeatedly do not do it, it's fair to assume a lack of seriousness.

JB

It intrigues me that, while I am the one to do you the favour of accepting your challenge, you continually throw childish insults at me. This one is particularly bizarre as only a few days before you stated that you had no deadline. Don't worry, the agreement will come in good time.

Having chosen this place to offer your challenge, to strut your confidence and to throw insults about but you wont tell us your name. Please do so.

On to more substantive matters.

Following your lead on sailors as a source of independence, I was introduced to the Chief Exec of RORC on the Squadron lawn last week. We don't know each other and I suggest I se the introduction to contact him and ask him if he would nominate an independent observer. RORC are a highly respected world wide in the highly sensitive role of adjudication racing yacht ratings and are ideally suited t the task. I suggest that we finds several more similar sources both to aid the logistics an to allow there to be a small panel.

On the matter of the test itself, I would be happy to accept your preference for the treadmill methodology and have an approach that accommodates my inertial concerns (not a frame of reference matters). My proposal is that the cart has a flexible tether attached to the rear. The cart is placed on a stationary, level treadmill and the treadmill is then accelerated up to steady speed. To pass the test the cart should move forward (against the direction of the movement of the treadmill) until the tether becomes tight preventing it moving further and off the end of the treadmill, from which point it continuously exerts a tension upon the tether. Assuming that this is acceptable to you I will have it drafted into the proposed agreement.
Best Regards,

Guy

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Edited by author 08-18-2008 11:01 AM
Wow. That Guy can sure talk a mean physics game.

JB

>> I aim to have a first draft as you requested within 7 days.

Well, 7 days has now become 4 weeks. Clearly Guy is a troll. He was plenty confident of his position to call people scammers and to call others' intelligence into question; but in the end Guy is clearly not as sure of his position as he claimed to be.

I'm officially done being waltzed around by this troll. If anyone ELSE actually has the conviction they claim to about this thing being completely impossible, the offer still stands. Or if $100K sounds like too little or too much, I'll be happy to consider any other proposal.

Guy,

Here's an email address. Send me your contact info.

Th3in22Air8De8sig9ns@aol.com (remove the numbers; use only the letters)

>>It appears that the two you propose have, by your own admission, a preconceived opinion of the outcome.

I never admitted any such thing. I know that one of them does have an opinion on the matter because we've discussed it in the distant past. The other one I imagine will agree it's possible only because he's intelligent and an aerodynamicist. He's a friend of a friend. I don't think I've ever met him.

>>That would appear to exclude them as independent.

Once again, we're back to you. You didn't like my statement of the bet and arrangement, so I invited you to make your own. You don't want people with any intlligence to decide on this, so again I invite you to name them yourself. I imagine it will go about the same way as the first plan did.

>> opinions of mathematics and physics will just get in the way.

Yeah - facts can be inconvenient.

>>Are you going to tell us your real name?

Yes, as I said I'll be happy to share my name, address, credentials, etc. with you. Just give me an email address. I won't post all this on a public forum (do you even read my posts?).

Are you even going to tell me what country you live in? This is the third time I've asked. As I said before, I'm in the S.F. bay area of CA.

Listen, if you really want out of this thing, just say so. The sandbagging is getting tiresome.