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SouthernClerkPerson was signed in when posted
08:56 PM ET (US)
/m6384 get in touch with a union rep. If you don't know one, check around with some of the larger offices to get you connected. And ask if they will look into maximization of your position. I would keep this effort between you and your steward, no need to share this with the other clerk or the PM. PM will find out soon enough via the union. From what you posted it sounded like you are the senior PTF in your office. Assuming the combination of the two PTF positions would qualify for a FT position. If so, you have a case.
08:53 PM ET (US)
/m6385 Taking a dump.
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
05:24 PM ET (US)
/m6384 Call union about the hours. And the fact that a deal seems to have been made that'll hurt your hours.

You also need to contact EEO because that idiot has created a provable hostile work environment. You were threatened. He does not have the right to cuss you out, or to make you embarrassed. Or lie to you or demean or threaten you.

Right now start writing things down at home. What he said, date & time, and who might have been nearby to hear or witness it. It's not evidence, doesn't prove much, but will be invaluable later if this goes anywhere. Memories fade, or get jumbled up--it's human nature, but your notes will show what he is and win the case for you.
postalvetPerson was signed in when posted
03:42 PM ET (US)
/m6384 where was your steward?
02:33 PM ET (US)
I'm a level 18 and we got another ptf clerk. I called another post office to find out if the other clerk had worked up there and my post master called me and cussed me and told me to never call that post office again and ask about another clerk I said ok. I had a customer at the time. I was so embarrassed in front of the customer.

Then 2 days later, he waits untill everyone is out of the office except me and the other clerk and brings him back to where i'm at and says we need to talk. He than says again, that I was to never call another po and ask about the other clerk and I said you allready told me that. I said I didn't want him to cuss me anymore on the phone and he said he did'nt but he did. Then, I said the reason I called was because I wanted to know why the other clerk was getting more hours than me and he said he wasn't and I said yes he was. Then the other clerk said I can't make it on 15 hours and I said neither can I. Then the postmaster said you wanna play that game do you? I said are you threating me? He said no and he walked off. Is this a threat or not?
Edited 04-27-2016 02:37 PM
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
12:44 PM ET (US)
/m6381 Those points are why I opposed ratification back then, and still hate that contact now.

Worse was the union playing dumb about NTFT retirements, hinting maybe OPM would see them as full-time when everyone knows it's always based on hours so that'd be pro-rated as PTR and PTF are.
09:53 AM ET (US)
from liteblue, eretire page:

Who Can Use eRetire?
eRetire is for full-time employees who are:
•Within five (5) years of retirement eligibility.
•Within 180 days (6 months) of retirement eligibility.
•Currently eligible for retirement (also known as Optional retirement).

Part-time (PT) and Non-traditional Full-time (NTFT) employees and Postal Inspectors require a manual annuity estimate and must contact the HR Shared Service Center (HRSSC) to request a manual estimate. A manual annuity estimate is mailed to the employee's address of record within 7-10 business days. Contact the HR Shared Service Center (HRSSC) at 1-877-477-3273, menu option 5 to request an annuity estimate.
Mama don'tliePerson was signed in when posted
05:37 AM ET (US)
/m6380 x-I have a friend who is a ntft, you do not get the same al/sl or annuity calculations working less than 40 hours. It is stated on the annuity page somewhere. I will find and post. It is deceiving to clerks to be called FT who work less than 40. Nifty flex's schedule changes like a ptf, yuk. Holiday pay, regular bidding rights are good, just wish every person who has the "FT" after their position was at 40 hrs.
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
06:14 PM ET (US)
/m6379 That info is out of date. ELM needs to follow APWU contract.

There should not be anymore PTR, and PTF should be rare; both replaced by NTFT. APWU says NTFT isn't a clerk category, but a FT bid type.

And as you said, it does all come down to what's available in the bid cluster. But from what's being posted, mgt and local unions are deciding if new jobs will be NTFT or FTR, so bidding choices will be limited or non-existent by them.
01:31 PM ET (US)
/m6373 ntft, you are considered a regular for bidding purposes. If a position within your cluster comes up for bid, you can choose to bid or stay in your current position.

However, with regards to being a full time employee, under the ELM, you are not considered full time.
432.1 Employee Classifications
432.11 Regular Work Force
432.111 Bargaining Unit Employees
Bargaining unit employees are categorized as follows:
a.Full-time employees — career annual rate employees who are assigned to work schedules of five 8–hour days in a service week.
b.Part-time employees — employees categorized as one of the following:
1.Part-time regular employees — career hourly rate employees who are assigned to work regular schedules of less than 40 hours in a service week.
SouthernClerkPerson was signed in when posted
07:38 AM ET (US)
/m6373 Possibly your answer would be here: http://apwu189.org/EverythingNTFTy.pdf
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SpringgPerson was signed in when posted
05:33 PM ET (US)
/m6374 Simple answer, NO. You hold a bid job as a regular at that office and the FTR is another bid job. NTFT is just a different name for FTR with the ability to move hours around without OOS pay.

Longer answer is, if they abolish/excess your bid job at the 6 hour office you might then, have to bid on that other larger office. Just the feel of your question I don't think that is the situation.
Edited 04-22-2016 05:33 PM
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
04:43 PM ET (US)
/m6374 Whew. This reads like a hypothetical steward final exam question.

It doesn't matter what paperwork you have because PO messed up. If you had been forced to go to carrier, you were always going to go back, or have the chance to do so. Being told you were going to be excessed allowed PO to look at your 'voluntary' craft switch as 'involuntary'. This was wrong since no one got excessed.

I'd argue that you should be able to stay as carrier; you shouldn't be 'punished' for mgt's error. But I know carriers hate regular clerks getting excessed into their craft as regulars because it stops/slows the promotion of their own PTFs to FTR. Getting rid of you helps their existing PTFs. And so while clerks are willing to leave you there, carriers likely are not.

Good news is if you return as clerk, you'll be put back on the list as if you never left, ahead of those 100+ juniors.
03:00 PM ET (US)
4 years ago my plant was on the list to close. I received a 60 day excessing notice. 3 months later I get offered a ft carrier position. I volunteered to switch crafts in the same installation. Im just now finding out that mgmt. was not allowed to involuntarily reassign across craft lines. now 4 years later I get a letter saying that I was involuntarily assigned and am being force back to clerk position. Does anyone know if I can fight this. I have numerous papers that state I volunteered for the position. I had 20 years seniority and had at least 100 people below me in seniority. No one ever was excessed, and theres junior employees still working at my old plant. s
09:21 AM ET (US)
I'm a NTFT at a nice quaint country 6 hr office that falls under the AO of a larger office. If a full time clerk were to retire could they force me to move to the larger office or do I have the option to decline?
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