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PTF815Person was signed in when posted
10:34 AM ET (US)
@postalvet okay I think I just registered my handle so hopefully that is over with.
@X-stew Okay thanks, that makes me feel better, I wasn't certain that there were no loop holes for them. It seems like there's a loop hole for everything these days.
postalvetPerson was signed in when posted
10:29 PM ET (US)
/m6022 PTF815 register your handle and that issue will disappear!!!

until then it will happen again and again!!
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
05:18 PM ET (US)
/m6022 Ignore the trolls, and certainly don't apologize for them.

99% of us have never dealt with bid clusters, nor have faced offices both combining and dividing as you're experiencing. But the only legitimate way Sally should be ahead of you was if she was hired first somewhere. And don't give up because if they did you wrong, there is a solution that'll fix it and respect your PO time.

Now if the union guy you've been referred to isn't the NBA, also contact your NBA. Write him a letter, put in every detail and copy all your PO correspondence. But it comes down to this; How can a person who you waited on as a customer, one who clearly has less PO time than you, get the job you put in for? PO would love to put clerks where they want them, and not allow us any choices. Our defense is ART 12: seniority. Without it, PO can just deal us out like a deck of cards.

I strongly suspect that even the union got confused and missed that fact. If NBA blows you off, doesn't respond in like 1-2 months about how they're going to make it right, then go outside PO and union to NLRB. No matter what the union may think, the contractual APWU principles of seniority have been agreed to, must be followed.
Edited 04-29-2015 05:20 PM
RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
04:37 PM ET (US)
"Sally and I are in different bid clusters." That might be the problem.
04:33 PM ET (US)
Yet again, I'm not sure who is posting for me, however the last two weren't me so I apologize for the rude comments that were made under my name.
"Sally" was actually a customer of mine way back when. I helped her when she wanted to know how to get into the post office and additionally they sent out a seniority list with the "bid" papers when this all happened, every last one of us got a copy, that is how I am certain that I had seniority. I asked the union steward, he didn't know. I even asked the PTF that works in the office I "bid" on, I've worked with him before. He said that it was a decision made with no real backing, they just did it to do it because the postmaster didn't feel like he needed another PTF. Now that its done, I'm not so sure there's much I can do. Yesterday I got the phone number of another union guy that I'm going to give a call to. Thank you for all of your input :)
06:38 PM ET (US)
X-stew I definitely got screwed. Didn't you read /m6019
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
05:48 PM ET (US)
I must disagree with your idea that that Chicago isn't familiar with your predicament, if that's where NBA is. In this era of bid clusters and APOs, only an NBA, or higher, would have a handle on the ins and outs of PSE and PTF advancements across multiple competitive bidding areas, each with their own 50-mile rules.

I'm pretty sure you didn't get screwed when they put Sally ahead of you; the only way it makes sense is if she was hired into the PO before you. I don't know why PO pulled the PTF job down, but I suspect the union does; union might have insisted a FTR bid be created somewhere using some of those PTF hours. It's a pity that she ended up where you wanted to be, but jobs will open up in the future that may be better than the one you missed out on. I mean, already you've gone to PTF, a career job, and will get other job choices in the future.

Neither PSE nor PTF exactly have bidding rights. Those are clearly defined and you'll more easily know what choices you'll have when you get them. But whatever it's called, opting, expressing a preference, or bidding, the principle is the same, and is based on amount of time in PO, in your competitive area, which is why I'm sure Sally has more time in than you.
04:32 PM ET (US)
But to be honest maybe I am getting treated unfairly because me and "Sally" were caught in the breakroom being intimate.
03:28 PM ET (US)
I am not sure who posted the last response, it wasn't me.
@X-stew I am currently a PTF. However, when all of this happened, I was a PSE. This occurred when the very first vacancy list went around for PSE's that were being moved because of the structure change. I personally had to move because I was a PSE in a 6 hour office. I had seniority within a 50-mile radius of all PSE's (and at this point this is all that could "bid" on these jobs." There was one PTF vacancy, and tons of four hour PSE positions available. I bid on the PTF position, a vacancy. The office only had one PTF at the time. When the awards were revealed, the list showed that I had not gotten the PTF vacancy, that I has being placed in a four hour office like the rest of the PSE's. On this list it showed that no one won the PTF vacancy, which I knew was impossible since I had seniority, and was certain I bid on it. So I emailed my POOM and asked him why no one got it when I knew I had bid on it. His response was "we don't believe the position is necessary". This was a direct reference to the vacancy I bid on and wanted, a job that existed and they were just trying to make it disappear. At that point I called my steward because I knew something was fishy there. He said the POOM/or Postmaster could do that IF they convert the PTF that was already working at that office to a FTR (that never happened). So I was placed in a four hour office, and when I was placed in my four hour office, this girl "Sally" was placed into a four hour office too because she had been a PSE in another 6 hour office in our district. Well about two months later I can assume that district found out about them not hiring a PTF for their vacancy, and I can assume they were told they didn't have a choice, because they converted "Sally" to their PTF. Sally became this offices PTF without them calling me or referring to the original posting (where I bid on it). Around the same time that "sally" got converted, I got converted to a PTF at my APO, which is over an hour from my house. The original job I had bid on, that "sally" got, is only twenty minutes from my house. MY steward just tells me to call Chicago, which is three hours away, and aren't going to be familiar with the area or people or anything so I am just not sure what to do. Sally and I are in different bid clusters. The bid cluster for the PTF job that I had originally bid on (that sally got) did not have a PSE when all of this happened, which is why the vacancy got posted for the 50 mile radius.
05:00 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the quick response X-stew.
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
04:55 PM ET (US)
Lots of info needed. Are you PTF? Was the other person who was 'hired' in the same installation or district as yourself? [So that as a FTR, you could bid over there and bid back some day?]

When PM said "he didn't think the PTF position was necessary", was he talking about the job you wanted, the position you 'bid' for? Or your own job? Or something else?

Lastly, are you under Art 12 withholding? Your steward should know.

If there has been a violation, if you were denied a job you were contractually entitled to, the union can force PO to move you there even if it means there'd be 2 clerks on the same job. Rare but I've won a case like that so your steward may have to heavily rely on his NBA to fix it.
04:08 PM ET (US)
The issue is protocol of bidding for a particular job. I checked the seniority list, I had seniority for a particular job I put a bid on. When I saw that I didn't get it (at the time no one got it), I asked my POOM directly why not, he said because "he didn't think the PTF position was necessary"... a few months goes by and I found out they eventually hired someone, from another bid cluster, whom I have seniority over. They never asked me about still wanting the job, or anything. From what I can assume they just ignored the fact that they already had a posting for said job and there was a successful bidder, me. I have talked to my steward about it and he's tried his best I can tell but I can also tell he just doesn't know what to do, or if it was even a violation. To me, I feel as though it was clearly a violation, maybe I'm wrong.
goin postal
12:09 AM ET (US)
Question for all of you working in a mail processing plant--do you still use color codes on your BBM?
11:51 AM ET (US)
just wondered if many of you are now working six days?? I had five day break in December and PMR is still working Sat's and plans on keeping her job. she didn't take the test b/c she didn't want to work six days.I'd rather do that than have to drive other places to fill in.
Edited 04-14-2015 09:46 AM
X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
11:11 AM ET (US)
First stop is local APWU. Make an appointment and talk to an officer at their office or go ask questions at an open meeting. Next would be NBA, then DC.

But I gotta ask what the issue is and how steward is failing you?
10:23 AM ET (US)
If I want to file a grievance, and I don't believe my union rep is adequate, what website or resource can I use to find the next person to ask?
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