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That’s a great point to bring up. There are certainly a lot of details like that to take into consideration. I offer the thoughts above as general inspiration but clearly there are questions like the one you bring up where the most important thing will be working in honest good faith. I don’t know if best practices have emerged around things like that, but I am sure that your job is clearly identified as a fair game if you are commenting as an individual.hsbc credit card | visa credit card

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           I am trying to buy back my military leave before I retire in 7 months. Could you provide me with the telephone number and address ?
                                                  Thank You, Ken

Hi Guys
Just to let everyone
know,The new maintenance test is 955,They did away with
the 931-932-933.This is the test for postal people to get higher level,
in the maintenance dept.I believe that the people that want
to get hired in the postal service in the maintenance craft will
be using this test.keep your eyes open.
Good luck
Roy

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HOW DO YOU GET RETIREMENT , OR SENIORITY CREDIT FOR ACTIVE DUTY TIME IN THE MILITARY? . I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT YOU HAVE TO" BUY BACK " YOUR ACTIVE
TIME .

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DIRTYDAVE

HI Vets
Iam a custodian at a postal facility,I was hired in oct.2007,
I wanted a promotion in the maintenance craft,I took the bem test(931)
I only passed 8 out of the 12 ksas.The post office said I cant get on the resgester because I didnt fill out the ksa booklet I recieved in the mail
I told hr I didnt get such a booklet,They said it was mailed,oh I loose
I have been complaining for 8 months,They hired 5 people off the street
.Whats next?Any recourse?
Thanks alot
Roy

usmc1982, I think some of the information you have been given has been misconstrued. As a vet, you can use your time in service that is countable to boost up your leave gained each year. This can go up to 26 days, the maximum. The 10 point part isn't needed for this, just that you are a vet and your service dates coincide with the accepted dates the post office wants.

 If you look at this link

http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/manuals/elm/h...02.html#vnameref_21

you can read a vast amount of information regarding the annual leave program. Please keep in mind, if you retired from the military, then only a small portion of your time in service will count toward leave accrual in the post office. This is also covered in this link. I hope this helps to clear some stuff up.

Edited by author 03-20-2008 12:12 PM
I have just started a PTR in Kansas City,Mo. I read somewhere that if I am a 10 point veteran preference with credible service that I would recieve 20 days annual leave rather than the 13 for employees with less than 3 years with the USPS. Can someone clarify this for me or point me in the right direction for the correct answer. Thank you SEMPER FI!!!

Edited by author 02-27-2008 04:56 PM
Can a postmaster take your voice of employee (VOE) survey and do anything that they wish with it. The voice of employee survey is first class mail. Some one please help me with one.

I forgot to add that once he is on the register, he will then need t wait until there is an opening. The USPS will contact people from the register in exam score/vet pref order until they fill the position. He may get hired soon or it could be years. I didn't want it to sound bad but I wanted to be honest about the time frame.

Hi,
 I did the 21yr Navy thing too and got hired in Apr2006 at USPS. Please pass on to your brother thanks for all the great work.
 The way to get hired by the USPS "off the street" is to get on the hiring register. For other than maintenance positions, this requires taking and passing an exam. For maintenance positions, there are 3 steps;

1. Take and pass the exam for the position he is interested in.
2. Fill out and return a booklet of KSA's(Knowledge/Skills/Abilities).
3. Attend an interview to go over any questions and see if you in fact are hireable for various reasons.

 Once these steps are complete, he will be placed on the hiring register for the geographic location where he took the exam.

 To get an exam, there are 2 ways for him to do it. Go to https://uspsapps.hr-services.org/ and select the state he is interested in and apply for the exam. I went there just before writing this, and there is a maintenance mechanic exam being offered in Daytona. He should apply for that quick since the announcement closes 9/30/07. This would mean he would be taking a test some time(this is governmental time ranging from apprx 2 weeks to 3 months....as a guess) after this close out date. The test would be given in the general goegraphic are where the results will be affected. So if he could apply for the exam now, then find away to take the test in Daytona, in a month or two while he's active, he would be ahead of the game.
 Another way to get an exam other than when it is being offered to the general public is to contact the post office in the area where he wants a position. He can sign up for any test he wants during the first 90 days of becoming a vet. I was later told it was the first 180 days, but I'm not sure its that long. He must be a vet to sign up for a test/tests this way so he can't do it while on terminal leave.

 The way vet preference works, if hes a vet, he will get 5 points added to his PASSING test exam. If he's a disabled vet, he will get 10 points. If he's disabled with 30 percent or more disability, he will be get 10 points, but also be placed in a special category that requires his record to be considered first before anyone elses, regardless of test score(as long as he passd before the 10 points were added.)

 Well good luck and I hope this helps.

Hello. I have a little brother that is getting out of the Navy in 5 months, he will then have 20 years. He would like to get a job at the U.S. Postal Service. He wants to be in the Maintenance Craft. He is now stationed in New Orleans, and would like to get hired by the USPS in Florida, Daytona Beach if possible. Does it matter how much disability he gets to get a veteran's preference to be hired quickly? If anyone can help it is greatly appreciated. Thanking you in advance and have a great weekend.

Does anyone know how military leave works for a PTF city carrier who is a National Guard reservist? He has been an employee for approximately nine months. He asked his managers about military leave and no one seemed to know the answer as to whether/not he was entitled to the leave. I am an HR officer with the federal govt. and our reservists are entitled to 15 days a year. I thought that it would be the same for USPS employees as well. Is the ML entitlement only for employees who have been with the postal service for a certain period of time? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Are there regulations available for postal employees to review?

Thank you Don for that information and good luck at your RCA job and hope you hear something soon about a PTF carrier notice.

Yes you can!! I was informed of this by the HR manager at the Harrisburg, PA office. I too just got hired on as an RCA and I am also on the register for PTF City Carrier.�A;�A;Don�A;�A;�A;----- Original Message ----�A;From: QT - Todd <qtopic+35-kTt8ybUwj7yVe@quicktopic.com>�A;To: QT topic subscribers <qtopic+subs@quicktopic.com>�A;Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:55:23 PM�A;Subject: Veterans�A;�A;�A;--QT-------------------------------------------------------------�A; Reply by email or visit�A; http://www.quicktopic.com/35/H/kTt8ybUwj7yVe/m59�A;--------------------------------------------------------------- -�A;�A;yes can anybody give me a answer to this question please, i'm a�A;RCA still in my probation period, can i still receive a notice�A;for a PTF carrier if i have taken both the 460 and 473 test.i�A;have been trying to get a answer to this question and nobody can�A;give me a straight answer. thank you for your help.�A;_________________________________________________________________�A;To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/35/X/kTt8ybUwj7yVe�A;Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT�A;�A;�A; �A;________________________________________________________________ ___________________�A;Do you Yahoo!?�A;Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.�A;http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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yes can anybody give me a answer to this question please, i'm a RCA still in my probation period, can i still receive a notice for a PTF carrier if i have taken both the 460 and 473 test.i have been trying to get a answer to this question and nobody can give me a straight answer. thank you for your help.

Edited by author 02-08-2007 10:03 PM
Don, I'll let Mr . answer from here on out. He obviously knows more about it than I do.

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Just as a side note there is a major physical requirement difference between an RCA and a city carrier.

and I think that's probably why I said "I believe city carriers come from the PTF's" and "a lot of city carriers are actually PTF's". The other part about "from other full time employees who sign up for the test" comes from people I have asked, who actually probably don't know, but told me anyway.

And I can say, as a 70% veteran myself, my VA rating did not hamper my ability to get my RCA job. I was at the top of the hiring list, I interviewed well, and was selected for the position. The medical determination is made by doctors in the personel office who evaluate the VA documents that your rating is based on. They ask you questions about the various injuries and then they make the decision as to whether or not your disabilies will interfere with your job performance. The post master never sees and cannot see the basis for your rating and all they know during the interview process is that you have 5 or 10 pt preference. Your driving record will have more of an effect on your ability to get the job than your VA rating will.

Tom ... not sure where you get your info but all city carriers start out as PTF's at the very least. You can be hired as a casual but still must become a PTF first. Never seen anyway around that. It is part of the seniority process. You'll become a full time career carrier when a vacancy occurs due to retirement, someone quitting or dying.

Don the 30% disability rating may work against you as far as becoming a carrier. It is the postmasters discretion to hire who he wants. If he/she believes that you cannot perform the required duties they may pass you over. Nothing is written in stone but again it is the PM's choice.

Don - If the RCA position is the only opening listed, then that is technically the only opening. Most full time positions (Rural Carrier, Clerk, City Carrier) other than maintenance are not opened up to the street. Best thing I can offer is to go to each post office you are looking at working in and seeing if they have a list posted for the public on various positions. All rural carriers are hired from the RCA's already employed. I believe city carriers come from the PTF's or from other full time employees who sign up for the test from within. In fact a lot of city carriers are actually PTF's. There are some employees that are hired from the street to work in the post office (TRC?)and are usually used the same as RCA's but can work the city route too and I think get paid a low hourly wage.

nothing wrong with starting out as an RCA if you get the interview. it's a good way to see if you actually like the post office life and to see how the other jobs you are interested in work. hang in there.

I am retired US Navy with 30% disability rating trying to get hired by the USPS. The USPS web site has only RCA job openings and I have taken the exam and waiting for a call. I would like to get a permanent job. Are they kept shrouded in secrecy? I'm in Reading, PA and looking for City Carrier or Clerk position, F/T or PTF. The Lacaster, PA district office has a bad phone number and can not get through. Can my fellow veterans help me out in putting me in the right direction?

Don MacKenzie

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rcox357 - From what I understand it would not be in your best interest to buy time in the PO with your Navy retirement. The way I heard it, you would be converting your military time to postal time and would lose it. (ie, no retirement check from the Navy) The best option would be to continue drawing your retirement and wait for a full time position. Then build a retirement with the PO so you can get 2 of them.

I'm not sure if the new Postal Reform Bill changes any of that since the PO no longer has to pay the military retirement of PO career employees.

I would definately research it fully before making a decision.

I am retired Navy with 20 years of honorable service. I was wondering how the "Payback your military time" works. I am an RCA who only gets 24 hours a week and need to know what I have to do to switch to a craft that pays at least 40 hours per week.

has anyone else had their hours changed so as to avoid being paid double sunday premium? Our union has not helped us at all here and I would like to know what others have done to get the unions attention or get their hours back to normal. All of us in maintenance that were affected are veterans also. If you have a phone number to a good union rep. I would appreciate that too. I don't talk to ours.

Happy late veterans day, to all the brothers and sisters out there. I was with the 25th outta schofield hawaii.

Hey geo Milwaukee is always hiring. My state rep is from there and he stated a mailhandler made 142,000 last year. Oh the guy's a vegetable today.

finally got a hold of someone from OPM in Indy, paper work was on desk and it just so happend that they were getting ready to do it, received it four days later. Now I guess I need to send it to Human resource for finally tally to find out were I stand on pay back toward retirement?

thanks for the info, I have submitted the information twice, once before the change over for human resource and now after but I will give them a call

Chris,
you need to call OPM, there you will get the information you need.

12 yrs dav been working for the postal service for 18 months in MO. Sent off all info so I can have my military time evaluated so I could buy back for retirement, I was originally seperated temp. medical retirement as SFC on TDRL after OIF, then given 60% disability and severance pay. Haven't received info back yet and its been greater than a month how long should I wait before checking on this?

Hey JAMO, do you happen to know if they plan on doing any hiring in the Milwaukee area?

Hey Paige want 60 to 70 hours come to Lacrosse Wi

I am a PTF. I am the only PTF on my tour. The PTF's on the other tour and at the stations are getting at least 40-50 hours a week to my 30-36 hours. I have filed a grievance. It got to step two and then my Union Pres kind of got his job taken away. It wasn't his bid job but no one has that as their bid job so he was doing it. But ever since then nothing else matters. What should I do? And where can I find all this information?

Here is what I found in the Administrative Support Manual:

123.43 Office With A Career Clerk
In offices with an assigned career clerk, the clerk is authorized to act in relief of the postmaster when the office is open to the public and only when the postmaster is away from the local area or not in a duty status -- that is, on the postmaster's regular day off, when taking personal absence, or on official leave. At other times when the postmaster is in a duty status and away from the office but remains in the general vicinity, such as when attending training or meetings, relief is not authorized. In these cases, the postmaster retains responsibility for the operation of the office even though not physically present.

Edited by author 08-24-2006 06:44 AM
Posted this on the clerk and PM forums with no answer yet. Since I'm a vet I thought I'd post it here. I work at a level 16. It's just me the postmaster and three carriers. It's great! I just heard that I should be getting higher level pay when my postmaster is giving training or at PM meetings but I don't. Does anyone know where I can find the rules for higher level pay?

To All For some reason Quick Topic has reduced all of PEN's forums back to a non-paid standard board. PEN paid our yearly fee on June 30,2006 - days before payment was due. I have written Quick Topic twice for an explanation - but, no answer.

I will continue working on this problem. Sorry.

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I dunno? How about live within your means. Take your 40 and go home.

Are there any APWU Stewards who can answer this question?...................First and foremost, I have the misfortune of working with a Manager who articulately stated that he doesn't want any 'specialists' working within the postal service. Therefore, several generic jobs have been posted that lack true Principal Assignment Areas. For example, he posted a job that listed the PPA as Mail Processing. I think he is doing this to show favoritism towards PTFs because all the PTFs here are making atleast fifty hours. However, the regulars (like myself) haven't worked an hour of overtime in four months. Recently, our office just hired seven new PTFs and a letter of settlement of equalization of hours have been posted. Nevertheless, I am not convinced that management is being fair to the regular employees on our tour. What would be the strongest approach to remedy this erroneously uncomfortable situation?

Edited by author 06-11-2006 11:38 PM
Michael /m24 Regular veterans are just like any other employee. If there is excessing going on, it applies to them, too. All based on seniority. If a disabled vet is affected by it, they can not make that disbabled vet go to a lower level position. If lower level is all that's available, then the disabled vet has bumping rights, in order to stay at that same level. When they excess, they try and make it where all employees affected don't go to a lower level position. My wife's a union steward on the clerk side, and her office is going through excessing right now. Oh, and if you're a union steward, you have super seniority.

First of all, I just want to say Thanks to all Veteran's for your service and contributions to my Freedom. I just want to know if it is true that Veteran's within the postal service are skipped over during a reduction in force?

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I'm a veteran and former ptf. I left to start my own business almost a year ago. I was wondering how I can be re-hired. I left on good terms.

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To the best I remember the aticle stating postal employees are not entitled to MSPB is wrong!!!

Go to the MSPB site and veiw the many recent rulings dealing with the charging of military leave.....it is getting constant and you were covered.

the only problem will be to get over the timeliness of your appeal.

A recent article in both gov exec magazine and the narfe magazine indicated that federal employees that served in the reserves and/or guard may now be eligible for back pay. this compensation is for being wrongly charged for military leave on the employees days off and holidays. The one clinker in this is that the articles also indicate that national guard technicians and postal employees are not covered by this rule because they are not covered by the merit systems protection board. the MSPB handed down the above ruling. Can anyone shed any lite on this case. I am retired at this time so grievance is out of the question. retired ppo buffalo

Hello:

I am a 60% disabled vet. I am trying to accumulate enough coke points to get a new computer. I cannot afford one and this dinosaur is ancient and has crashed 3X. If anyone drinks coke products, and would like to help a fellow vet. Please send your caps, and/or codes from the 12 packs to:
 Jim Bumgarner
2970 Eagle Point Rd.
Middleburg, FL 32068

Semper FI

I just found out I'm getting an LLV. I have a '05 Jeep Liberty for sale under 11,000 miles. Call 215-860-8143.

Hi guys I am not a veteran but I just want to thank all of you for giving your service to the country. I get very upset when I read posts on other forums that complain about about the benefits the veterans get. I think you are entitled to all you can get!

kiphy /m6 The fact that you're a veteran and the other ptf is not, is the reason you're ahead of them in seniority. The other ptf can fight it all they want, but they won't win. The tie breaker goes to veterans first, then if there are no veterans, score is the tie breaker.

X......Find the phone number for the Human Resourse of the Post Office area that you want to work at, and they should tell you what to do. I'm 10 percent disabled. I didn't find out until after I got hired (ptf carrier) that I could have picked up the phone at anytime, any postal district in the U.S. and called H.R. (Where ever I wanted to live at). Then tell them I'm 10 percent disabled and they would have to give me the battery exam, whether they're hiring or not. Good luck.

I am a disabled vet rated at 50%, I've heard that I can requst an exam for custodial laborer, anyone know how to got about that.

Edited by author 02-18-2006 11:08 AM
rick - you're very welcome.

joey - there still might be a chance at partial credit, but that is depending on you having been awarded a campaign badge, and then only for the time that you were actually involved in the campaign. (ie, if you were in Grenada for 1 week, then you get 1 week credit even though the campaign lasted 28 days) You'll have to weigh the benefits of gaining the credit over the time it will take you in getting the credit from HR. Not sure if knocking 1 week off the back side is worth the effort or not, but if you spent a year in Iraq, Bosnia, or Kosovo then looking further into it would definately be worth adding a year credit. There is a chart of the campaigns at the same link I listed earlier. Just look a little further down.

*edit - The Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal counts for the period of service for which it was awarded.

joey - I'll just be doggone...they must have rewritten the ELM. I must admit to you that I had not read this rule for a long long time...maybe 25 or more years. But it appears from the info that Martin found that credit for annual leave is now limited as follows:

Full Credit. Full leave accrual credit for all of active military service is granted if a military retiree meets one of the following three conditions:

(1) Retirement was based on disability resulting from injury or disease received in the line of duty as a direct result of armed conflict.

(2) Retirement was based on disability caused by an instrumentality of war and incurred in the line of duty during a period of war defined in 38 United States Code (U.S.C.) 101 and 301.

(3) On November 30, 1964, the employee was employed in a civilian office to which the Annual and Sick Leave Act of 1951 applied and continues to be employed in a civilian capacity without a break in civilian service of more than 30 days.


Or, maybe I misunderstood the thing to begin with years ago. I was led to believe that the above ELM rule was for credit toward retirement, but I now understand that one must buy back their military time in order for it to count toward retirement. However, in the case of a retired military it would not make good sense to do that.

Good luck - thanks Martin for finding this info.

Joey,

I found info at the following link that might help you figure out if you are eligible for annual leave credit. It is from the USPS ELR Manual-Issue 17-12: http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/manuals/elm/h...002.html#vnameref_8

Section 512.232 is where you need to look. (if the link works it should take you right to that section) It discusses full credit and partial credit.

rick where else can I go to because this HR does not agree or does not know where it states it in postal reg. please direct me. thank you

Joey - you get credit toward the amount of annual leave you earn per pay period. Sometimes you have to make certain that HR provides this credit for you for the record in order to get the annual leave credited properly.

I have known those who were earning less AL per pay period than the amount they were entitled to - so check it out. With 20 years military you should be earning the max annual leave per pay period.

 I am retired military of 20yrs active and 2 reserve total 22 yrs.I have been told that i do not get any credit for this service, yet on postal network it says I would under certain conditions. What are they and do I get credit for annual leave I have been with post office since 1998.

Generally if the hire date is the same the postal service will award seniority to the highest test score. Check with HR to find out for sure.

can anyone help me? I've been a PTF now for about a year and a half, I have the same hire date as a fellow PTF. Since the hire date I have been placed above the other PTF on the SR. roster. The other PTF is now trying to fight this issue. I have a veterans preferance and time put in as an RCA. Please help.

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Hello, my name is David and I am a carrier from Modesto CA. I was activated in 2004 while in the CA Army National Guard and have recently returned. I have two questions and they are:
 
 
 
1. Do I receive the COLA increases while deployed? (March 19th 2005 and Sep 3rd 2005)

2. I was talking to a guardsman which was a carrier down near San Diego and he said there was a law passed which any postal employee would be able to re coup any national holiday missed while activated. Do you know anything about this? I have contacted several people about this but with no avail.

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A fellow employee has been diagnoised with a life threatening illnessthats no curable. This person's doctor has stated that they should not being driving long periods of time. They currently drive 3 hours round trip to and from our station. Its obvious that the drive is contridicting their Dr's restrictions. This person needs to transfer to a station in their home area. Are there any avenues that this person can take to get transferred? This person is also a veteran. Could they request resonable accomodation? Or request a tranfer based on an obvious hardship? If so on any of these, what steps do they take and what do i need to do? Need help. I just assumed the steward duties a month ago. Thanks!

No, THANK YOU Chattanooga Jack for being a PEN user and reader. I appreciate it!!!!
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