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NECarrierPerson was signed in when posted
07-23-2014
10:28 PM ET (US)
/m4965 One thing that can work is a paper trail. You have to keep detailed records, with witnesses, of everything that happens. "On day X, Supervisor Numnuttz called Carrier G a "lazy bastard" infront of Carriers T and P. (statements attached)" "On day X, Supervisor Numnuttz said, 'I don't care what the B team said, you're working OT cuz I say so!' when reminded of the B team decison #1234 on this issue."
These are the kind of things that can show a pattern of abuse, disrespect, failure to abide by previous grievance settlements, etc.
One tack to take.
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Old 22
07-23-2014
09:10 PM ET (US)
Many thanks my Union compadres. Now for a tricky Question. How does a team of two full time stewards (big station) defeat and send packing a manager who is smart (I know that's a contradiction but he is), cunning, covert and beats down the workforce with petty rule enforcement like unauthorized overtime, etc. In my 25 years, others 30+, never have any of us seen the discipline flow like the Mississippi. It is so out of control. We've tried the Joint Statement, intervention and engagement of upper management and nothing works. He's a smooth talker and as soon as ones back is turned he shows no regard for higher authority and lives and rules by his own arrogance. He acts on the edge a lot of times, i.e., photos, but he's proving to be a tough monster to abyss. I know it's a long topic and I've read posts in the past but I wasn't a steward then. Things have changed now. So, here I am, here he is, there you are. My senior steward is an outstanding steward but even she is thwarted sometimes. She's a fighter and won't quit but we need an inroad, a weakness, a vulnerability of the species. Thanks in advance for your help and time. Old stressed out 22
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egarkPerson was signed in when posted
07-23-2014
07:17 PM ET (US)
Old 22 - the MRS is on line and is searchable: http://www.nalc.org/depart/cau/pdf/mrs/mrs0506.pdf
Edited 07-23-2014 07:17 PM
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NECarrierPerson was signed in when posted
07-23-2014
06:40 PM ET (US)
/m4962 The CD will have everything on it.
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Old 22
07-23-2014
06:36 PM ET (US)
Thanks folks for helpful info. I'll see if Senior Steward can get me that CD. What about the MRS or does the CD cover all that info too? Was going to serve an RFI today for photos but got too tied up with other matters and it just got away from me. Thanks for all the help and, um, may I ask for more in the future please? Thank you.
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NECarrierPerson was signed in when posted
07-23-2014
03:42 PM ET (US)
/m4960 Mgt has had carriers pose "halfway" thru their fall, leaning out of truck doors, etc to show how the accident occured. Hey, I TOLD you what happened, no need for pictures of me. If you want pix of the broken step, loose handrail, etc, knock yourself out, pix of me, no go!
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RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
07-23-2014
10:02 AM ET (US)
Just a by-the-way, it is a terrible idea to re-enact an accident.
Someone had the bright idea to do this in an office I worked in, and it resulted in a second, identical accident! Duh!
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NECarrierPerson was signed in when posted
07-23-2014
09:19 AM ET (US)
/m4958 Have your steward pick up a contract CD for you at the convention. (You can get them by mail from NALC.org as well) You can seach the contract for words or phrases, works like a charm. If you have a smart phone yourself, you can download the JCAM, MRS and such to your Dropbox and it has a "search this document" function as well. I use the contract CD on my home computer with Adobe 5 as the search engine- works so great, I've kept "5" just for that and upgraded elsewhere in the computer.
Some folks are unconcerned about having their photo taken, I am staunchly against it. However, you have to gauge what the atmosphere is in your office. My branch president has no problem allowing his photo to be taken, re-enacting an accident, for example, where I would never allow it. Something to be aware of.
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Old 22
07-22-2014
10:10 PM ET (US)
Thanks NEC, the "camera" was indeed a cell phone. It may have been the managers business phone but cellular nonetheless. I doubt very much if the carrier gave him permission. I do know there was not a steward present during the incident as that would have been me (pardon me, I've been at it for 7 months and have a lot to learn, hence the reason for my posts. My senior Steward is in Philly right now for the convention so I'm fluttering solo) but I WAS unaware of what to do. Now I know. Thank you. I will do an RFI tomorrow and perhaps that will stop the privacy violation and abuse. By the way, I am familiar with the MRS but is there a way to do a word specific search with the system? Thanks for all the help. I'll try to let the community know of the outcome.
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NECarrierPerson was signed in when posted
07-22-2014
09:21 PM ET (US)
Here's this about taking photos from the MRS : "M-00453 Step 4
April 22, 1977, NC-S-5482 The judicious use of a camera to establish or refute a grievance may facilitate resolution of some problems. However, if the union desires to take photographs on the work room floor,permission must first be obtained from local management, and a supervisor must be present. If management deems it necessary to take evidential photographs, it would also be prudent to have a steward or union official present."
See, if they were taking photos of carriers, they should have notified the Union and had a steward present to safeguard the carrier's rights.
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NECarrierPerson was signed in when posted
07-22-2014
09:15 PM ET (US)
/m4955 I would say it is a violation of my right to privacy. I have an expectation of privacy at work, especially in a federal facility. With what type of camera were these photos taken? If on supervisor's cell phone, TOTALLY inappropriate as he could do anything with those photos, including posting them online. If he is taking them with a post office camers, to what purpose were they taken? Was the carrier's permission obtained first? if not, why not? I would put in an information request asking for copies of all photos taken of Carrier X, without his/her permission and details on the permission granted for taking photos in the PO (which must be okayed in advance by the installation head)and details on the purpose in taking those photos and the planned disposition and distribution of said photos.
I have had great success telling supervisors that they do not have my permission to take my picture. They have often tried to take pictures of me following an accident (pix of the cite or of me or of my shoes, etc) which I have always refused them permission. No one ever tries to take my picture when I tell them they MAY NOT do so.
There is this:"POM 124.58 Photographs for News, Advertising, or Commercial Purposes
Photographs for news purposes may be taken in entrances, lobbies, foyers, corridors, or auditoriums when used for public meetings, except as prohibited by official signs, the directions of postal police officers, other authorized personnel, or a federal court order or rule. Other photographs may be taken only with the permission of the local postmaster or installation head." If the carrier's likeness is to be used for advertising or training, he/she should give permission for their photo to be used.
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Old 22
07-22-2014
02:42 PM ET (US)
Help. Installation head and supervisors are taking pictures of carriers and mail as they work. Manager took several photos of carrier as she loaded her vehicle and then took pics of loaded vehicle after carrier pushed hamper back inside. What and where is the rule if any on this practice? Thanks for your help.
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kharePerson was signed in when posted
07-20-2014
11:45 PM ET (US)
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NECarrierPerson was signed in when posted
07-19-2014
10:03 PM ET (US)
/m 4952
from the EL 814- Employee's guide to safety: "IX A. Never finger mail while driving, walking up and down steps or curbs, crossing streets, or at any other time
the practice could create a safety hazard to you or the public."
This is repeated in the JCAM, the M-41 and the M-39, same wording.
If you get any more flack from your supervisor about this, talk to your steward and ask for the cite in writing. Good luck to him to find it!! They can only intimidate you if you let them.
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Pas Man
07-19-2014
06:00 PM ET (US)
Hi, NECarrier, I've been a carrier for 25 years, that never had any supervisor tell me something like that before. There are just too much craziness in the post office right now. There are people in the management think they can make any rule they want. They tried every crazy thing to get more from us. Thank you for your response.
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NECarrierPerson was signed in when posted
07-19-2014
04:27 PM ET (US)
/m4950 There is no rule that says you have to do it as your supervisor told you. Your trainer should have tuaght you the proper way to handle mail on the street. The second you finish one delivery, you should start preparing the mail for the next delivery so it is ready when you get there. You don't want to be standing on someone's porch looking for their mail. Talk to whoever is the trainer in your office and get his opinion on handling the mail. Your boss has likely never been a carrier and doesn't know what he's talking about.
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