Clearly then, paragraph # 4 is your paragraph! I completely understand if someone just plain WANTS to work long days. Sometimes I just don't have anything else to do anywhere else, either!

Life really is short (which anyone in EMS knows...), so it all depends on how you wanna spend it.

This topic is far bigger than our discussion, however. I believe it could grow legs, given the right people...

If memory serves, NEC, part of my "recruitment pitch" was about the long steeeenkin days!

You are assuming that those of us who are on the OTDL cannot live without OT. You are mistaken.

^*^*^*,

No, not evaluated routes. RETIRED PAY !!!

Maybe what I'm not taking into account here is that some of us are too young to even have retirement on the radar screen, and some of us are so close that we've added and re-added the FERS, SoSec and Thrift numbers a brazilion times and still come up with the same conclusion: What you got the day you leave the PO is exactly that: What you got.

I've been pondering this for a long time and as far as I know it's never been tried (100% 8-hr carriers). Only pondered and philosophized....I'm sure there would be some "angst" but the REAL nature of our dysfunctional situation would be right up there where the daylight shines! All the lipstick would be off the pig...so to speak.

Anyway, if one has a buffer (spouse w/some $$, trust fund, whatever) then going from mega-OT to nada-OT won't hurt abit. Otherwise, it might be a good idea to start practicing living now how you're gonna be living later! That's what I been doing. "It's not always pretty, but it's real."

Bless all you Moms out there today! You are awesome!!!
BLB

Express Mail dropped, in some cases.

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make sure you tell the people on your route that yes, stamps went up but the bulk rates dropped--they love that

how does one go about educating people that are so stupid?

/m1686 I work to make money, not because I love the job. If all the carriers were 8 hour carriers, Mgt would force them to carry their own overtime and force them in on their SDO. Its happening already, here in our own little neck of the woods, BLB. Your idea of "educating" mgt is fantasy, won't happen.

Hey, we are ALL going to be on fixed pay equal to 8 hrs (or less) soon enough.

You mean, evaluated routes?

Oops, guess I hit a nerve. And on my first real post, no less.

It's OUR business, not mine.

If it were a bad day with umpteen sick calls and a ton of mail, sure, we'd all do the OT.

But it's The Bosses' routine "Let's SHORT-STAFF. We have a pant-load of carriers who will pull our train for us, 24/7/365".

I dunno. Only my sense of the matter, but It's a bad way to do biz, bad for families, etc. But GOOD for The Man!

Let's look at it from the other angle: An 8 hour day. Period. Everybody's doin it. No exceptions. What would The Man have to do??? Might hire some people? Might cut some routes? Might make some routes?

Just brain-storming here...I'd love to hear your side. Hey, we are ALL going to be on fixed pay equal to 8 hrs (or less) soon enough. Why not be so familiar with it now that when the time comes it's easy-street, as retirement hopefully will be.

Best regards,

BLB

the hammer /m1679 wow, how impressive are you....

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BadLegBoy /m1683 -- "What is wrong with ordering one's life..." What is wrong with MYOB? No rules or laws are being broken, so I don't see how this is your concern.

NEC:
Well, I guess you told me! :)

Hoping all is well....

Our rural route carriers don't participate in the food drive, but if food is left out they pick it up because they want to. If I was hungry I hope I could count on somebody who makes 50K+ a year picking up some donated food once a year to help me out. Come on people, do you really know how lucky we are with the economy we are in? It could be us next year or the year after with the way management is throwing our jobs away.

the hammer /m1680 -- "totalitarian" and "dictatorship" implies mandatory participation. It is not. You are making a mountain out of molehill. If you don't want to do it, don't do it.

egark that's a sad and weak reply. There's nothing more totalitarian in it's action that a union. A tiny minority decides what we should do and, like sheep, we do it. If the idea has merit than a majority will support it. If it doesn't than a majority will vote it down. Afraid of democracy? I'm not. I'll support majority rule. I'm against low brow dictatorships in all it's forms. baa baa for all the rest of the conformists.

BTW Kenny if this is the only day in the year you doing are doing something to help the poor that's not very good. I neither need some mindless union prick telling me I should be doing something good to help the poor or do I feel the need to get mindless management prick rewarded for my actions.