My records are based in part on census records, but also information passed along from other extended family members. I cannot attest to the absolute accuracy of my info, but believe probably is accurate.

James Moody, who married Lucinda Hensley, was the son of Henry and Lidda Moody (my 4th great grandparents) As you mentioned, they can be found in the 1860 Tishomingo Co, MS census. James and Lucinda had five children: Lucinda (1842), Mary (1847) James (1851), David (1853), and Amanda (1857).

Amanda married J R Nolen.

That's all I have right now and it is probably not any more, or much more, than you already have. However, if I find out any more I will be sure and share it.

MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WAS AMANDA "SIS" "MOODY"MOODY HUMPHREY(ON HER TOMBSTONE AT SHILO,CEM. AR.

I AM TRYING TO FIND HER MOODY LINEAGE.

ACCORDING TO THE 1860 CENSUS SHE WAS 8 YEARS OLD AND LIVED IN TISHOMINGO,MISS. WITH CORITH AS THE POST OFFICE.

HER PARENTS WERE JAMES AND LUCINDA MOODY.

I JUST CAME IN CONTACT WITH A DESCENDENT OF HIS BROTHER ROBERT AUSTIN MOODY.

I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP ANYONE CAN ASSIST ME IN COMPLETING MY MOODY LINEAGE.

THANKS, CUZIN,

WALLY CAVINESS, BELLINGHAM, WA

Hello I am looking for information on George Washington Moody AKA Rev. Washburn Moody who in 1850 census Franklin Co. Alabama married to a Mary Martin? and has children. They are next door to a Henry Moody are they related? George stated in the census his parents are from
north Carolina? George w was born in 1823 Alabama died in 1892 Marion County Arkansas. Who was georges parents?

Hello All, My Great Grandmother was Mary J Meek, Daughter of Columbus and Celia Ann Meek (Moody). Mary J Meek Married John Acord Hall he also went by the name Deet. John was born in Los Cruces NM, Mar. 20, 1893 and died in Lawton, Ok around 1984 cant remember the exact date. Mary J Hall(meek) died in 1952 Lawton, Ok. They married 24 SEP 1911 in Cordell, Oklahoma. I cant remember all of my grandfathers brothers and sisters, His name is Thomas Edgar Hall, Some of his brothers names are Doug Hall, Franklin Hall. Sisters Cleo Hall, Nora Hall,and Barbara Hall. His sisters married and my memory right now is failing me. They were all born north of Saddle Mountain this mountain is part of the Wichita mountain Wildlife refuge. Along Wolf Road. Thomas Married Wilma Milem she was born in West Virginia. Sons are Okey M. Hall, Thomas J Hall, Timothy Hall, and a daughter of Mary E. Hall. Mary is my mother and she Married Joseph E Cobble. I have one sibling sister Rebecca Raye Cobble, My name is Jeremy Joseph Cobble. I will look up more names that are descendants of Mary Jane Meek and post them at a later time.

Thank You for putting up this site it helps tracking down ancestors.

Hello, all...great site!
I was particularly interested in the posting from Penny Pierce; although I got a lot of interesting stuff from it, I was a little confused, and I think I could clear one or two things up for you as well...

I'm a descendant of John Christopher's brother Robert Austin Moody. He left the family in Georgia in the early/mid 1850s and came out to California to become a miner.
The John C. you refer to, who married Minerva Elizabeth Durham, was the son of John Moody (b. 1802 in NC) and Catherine (unknown, from TN), so they are NOT related to Henry Moody.

They had the children you mentioned--John A, Georgia Ann, Terrora B, Louisa Catherine, and James MARION Moody (b. 2/11/1855 in Red Bay, Franklin Co., AL). James Marion Moody did indeed marry Sarah Elizabeth SHOOK (b. 10/18/1858 in Delta County, Texas). Their children were Brierson A., Arbanner (or Arbanna), Minnie, J.C., Donie, Willie and James MONROE Moody (b. June 1893, Delta Co., TX).
I am very pleased to be able to add information on Arbanna/er and her marriage to my files...so thanks! I hope my info was helpful as well.

All the best....

Dean T Moody

Ooops forgot to give my email address. It is rhaaar@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Jodi

Hello Group,
     I ran across your site quite by accident. Was so impressed and wanting to learn about your Moodys that I copied all 33 pages yesterday and read them all! I have a 3rd great grandmother by the name of Harriet Moody Welch. Her family history so far has been a heartache for me and I thought just maybe you folks would know something or know where to point me to. I will include what I do know about her and her family in just a bit. I also noticed that we share many of the same surnames and or places they were,ex: Harris,Andrews,Hickman, I sa a Cox reference,men who were in Kansas , the Iowa connection etc. Will explain more if anyone is interested for now though it is my Harriet that I am concerned about.
Harriet Moody/Modie was born April 15, 1825 ...now where I don't know...some censuses have Ohio, some have Va....because of not knowing who Harriets parents were I have no idea what line of Moodys I come from. Her husband John Welch came from Va.
I have a copy of Harriets marriage liscense to JOhn Welch . This took place in the state of Iowa on April 8,1857.(by the way her last name was spelled Modie...was this an error by the person transcribing the info? I don't know.)
John and Harriet had the following children, I list them because it may be a clue for someone out there.
Solomon aka Safalis
Shadrack Orlando, Mary, Margaret,Esther Jane, William and Julia.
Harriet died on Dec.9, 1896 I believe or could be 1898 . I took the dates off her headstone and the death year is hard to read, well the last number anyway.. Harriet is buried in The Miller Cemetery in New Providence, Iowa.
I have been to the Welch reunion here in Iowa and no one seems to know about Harriets parentage. One cousin has reasons to believ she was born in Va. Says her parents had slaves???
Well for now this is all I can think of.
Appreciate any help.
Jodi Mahan
Iowa

Re: Francis Marion Vaughan

Michael Mackey (ID *****4896) Date: January 11, 2006 at 08:13:44
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I am looking for descendants and other relatives of Francis Marion Vaughan who married Rebecca Moody in Kaufman County, TX September 12, 1872.
Here is what I know about him: F M Vaughan was born in 1839 in Arkansas. With three future brothers-in-law (Henry, Hickman and James Moody) he joined the 14th Kansas Cavalry (Union). He may have met his future brothers-in-law in the service or they may have known each other earlier and joined up together.
He and Rebecca had at least three children: George (b-1875),
James (b-1878) and Lucy (b-1879).

Different documents spell his last name either Vaughan or Vaughn, though Vaughan seems to be the probable correct spelling. I have so far not found F M Vaughan living in Kaufman County, TX before 1880.
Any help would be appreciated. Rebecca Moody, his wife, was my great-great-great aunt.

Francis Marion Vaughan b. abt 1839 in Nelson Co., Va. was my great grandfather. My Francis Marion Vaughan and the above Francis Marion Vaughan who married Rebecca Moody in Kaufman Co., TX. might well be the same person.

Francis Marion Vaughan was 10 in 1850.

1860 Nelson Co., VA Census

William Vaughan 69 Farmer
Mildred A. Vaughan 35
Maria L. Vaughan 26
Virginia Vaughan 24
Francis M. Vaughan 21 Carpenter
Mary E. Vaughan 17

Francis Marion Vaughan married the daughter of the Spencer family living next door. Francis Vaughan & Lucinda E. Spencer were married on February 18, 1863 in Nelson Co., VA Their first child, John James Vaughan, was born the following year on the 9th of March 1864, followed by a daughter, Rose Ellen Vaughan, on Aug. 15, 1867. Shortly thereafter Lucinda passed away leaving Francis with two children. His mother-in-law, Sarah Spencer, took the children in and he took a job with the railroad extending a rail line into Tennessee. The last the family heard from him, was in a letteer home, where he mentioned that he had a cap for his son John and would bring it home with him. Francis was never heard from again. Did he die or did he remarry. To this day we don't know.

 Years later, when his daughter was a young lady, keeping house for her brother in Monroe, Virginia, a well spoken and neat "hobo" stopped by her house. I would imagine she fed him and in passing, this "hobo" asked her if she was Rose Vaughan. She, of course, replied that she was. The "hobo" then told her that she looked very much like her father, who he had met years earlier. From this account it would appear that this "hobo" might have been her father, who was checking on his daughter. I have in my possession a picture of Francis Marion Vaughan, taken when he was a young man. It is one half of a double picture frame. the other half of the frame is missing. Did the other half contain the picture of Lucinda Spencer Vaughan?


Food for thought.

Jim

Edited by author 05-08-2007 11:06 PM
Hello there, I ran across your website while surfing the net on genealogy research. I have recently started searching for Henry's ancesters. Based on my prior research, I am a descendent of the Henry Moody on your website. My bloodline is from the son James Moody who married Lucinda Hensley as he is my gggg grandfather, they married in Lawrence county Tennessee and later bought land in Tishomingo,MS where they raised a family, sadly only 2 children lived long enough to have families, they are all buried in Chapel Hill cemetery near Burnsville, MS. James Moody had 2 boys that had families, John C Moody and James K Moody. I am a descendent of John C. Moody. John C. Moody married Minerva and had 4 children, John A, Georgia A, Tenora B, and James Monroe.
I am a descendent of James Monroe. James Monroe married a woman named Sarah-full blood Indian for whom I am researching and am having difficulty finding her maiden name even though she is my gg grandmother. James Monroe Moody and Sarah lived in Tishomingo,MS until 1880 and then moved to Delta County Texas, they and several of their children are buried in the pecan gap cemetery. Their daughter Arbanna married Elmer Kansas Pierce(who is part Indian as well and who's roots are hard to follow) at the turn of the century and they are also buried in the pecan gap cemetery, with 2 of their 3 sons. Their sons were Clyde Ivan Pierce, Lloyd Pierce(Lloyd died from complications to serious injuries sustained in a brawl at weekend dance hall), and Aubrey Dale Pierce. Aubrey Dale Pierce is my grandfather who is buried with my gradmother Edna Melnea Pierce at Mount Carmel Cemetery in Wolf City as Her Family the 'Harris Family' are all buried there. My grandparents and greatgrandparents and great great grandparents spent most of their days in the Delta, Hunt county areas as they were cotton farmers. My Dad and his siblings were raised in Pecan Gap, his name was Lynn Dale Pierce, his brother Jimmy Lloyd Pierce and his sister Deborah Kay Pierce. My grandparents eventually sold their land and moved to the big city of Euless after I was born.

Hey guys - been a WHILE since I last posted (have had a VERY BUSY last year), but since I'm off today, I'd thought that I'd check on my family to see how everyone is doing & see if there's been any new info & I see that there most definately has been some new info.
To Jim, Janice & Laura - Hello!!! & welcome. I'm William "Bee/B" Edward Moody's ggranddaughter.
Mike, Uncle Jesse (Jesse Hickman Moody) & Aunt "Ella" (Luella Hickman Moody) were twins & they, as well as Aunt "Ceelie" (Celia Annie) were from the union of Hickman Moody & Mary Lou Anrews. That info came from my gmother Mildred Alice Moody Smith Sullins ("Bee/B" Moody's daughter).
Laura, as to your question on "Bee/B"'s nickname, the understanding that I was told was "that first & foremost Bee/B had a temper (red headed, figure that one out), he had a rather mean "pop" that made a man feel that he'd been "stung by a bunch of bees", & why & whoever it was that gave him that nickname, it's rather ironic that his father (James Moody) was killed from a wagon accident (James was on a brick loaded wagon that he & Bee/B were unloading, when the horses were spooked, James being on the wagon was trying to get the horses to stop or slow down, but the wagon turned over onto James. It was also said that there were some bees buzzing around the horses & that possibly one of the horses got stung. All in all, poor Bee/B witnessed all of this, & when James died, that left Bee/B as the head of the household at the age of 10 years old. I had asked my gmother if possibly Bee/B was nicknamed Billy as a young child, being that his name was William, & she stated that that was a very big possiblity & that everyone probably called him "B" for short, & that the older he got, the double "e" got added to it.

My grandmother, God love her heart, would clip obituaries from the newspapers and put them in one of those magnetic photo albums. The type that were sticky and had a clear sheet over them. Too bad we didn't realize when those were popular that 1) everything stuck to them forever and 2) they weren't archival and just faded things. The God love her heart part is that the obituaries she saved - have no dates on them. When so and so died on Wednesday - just have to research closer - which Wednesday. So - to share with y'all - a few obituaries.

SLAUGHTER RITES SET IN CHAPEL
Silas Homer SLAUGHTER 4909 Ahs Lane, Dallas, died in a Terrell hospital Wednesday afternoon. Funeral services will be held from the Anderson -Clayton Chapel in Mesquite at 2 p.m. Saturday with the Rev. John L. Martin officiating. Internment will be in Grove Hill cemetery in Dallas with Masonic graveside rites.
   Mr. SLAUGHTER, a son of the late John Slaughter and Sarah Frances MOODY SLAUGHTER, was born at Wills Point, Tex. March 5, 1911. He grew up in Wills Point and Kaufman County and has been a resident of Dallas since 1941. He was a tool and die maker for I.TV in Grand Prairie for 25 years.
   He was a member of the Baptist Church and the John B. Dealey Lodge AF & AM.
   He was married to Miss Inez Swindle on Oct 1, 1937. Surviving him are ; his wife. eight brothers, James SLAUGHTER, Albert SLAUGHTER and Herman SLAUGHTER all of Kermit. Dick SLAUGHTER of Terrell, Frank SLAUGHTER and Standford SLAUGHTER, both of Odessa. J. D. SLAUGHTER of Duncan, Okla. and O.B. SLAUGHTER of Dallas; two sisters Estelle JOHNSON and Patsy WAYMAN both of Odessa.



William B. MOODY
   Services for William B. MOODY 70, a longtime resident of Bryte, will be at 2 p.m. Saturday at the Koerwitz-Sweeten Funeral Home. Burial will be private.
   Mr. MOODY died Wednesday (Oct 8) in his home. A native of Texas, he had resided in California since 1936 and in Bryte since 1955. He was retired as a foreman for the W.R. Grace Co.
   Mr. MOODY was a veteran of World War II and belonged to Post 18 of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Broderick.
   Surviving are his wife, Louise; a stepson, Thomas GEORGE of Vancouver; a daughter Lorraine WILSON of Broderick; brothers Jack and John MOODY of Texas, a sister, Glady HOMEYER of Texas and eight grandchildren.


Have an obituary for Leroy GOLIGHTLY he was the son of Ola COMEGYS MCINTOSH - one of the twin daughters of Cornelius Pinkney COMEGYS if anyone is interested in that one.


F.E. MOODY, JR.
   F.E. MOODY JR., a long-time area resident, died in a local hospital early Tuesday morning. Funeral services will be held from the Anderson-Clayton Chapel in Terrell at 4 p.m. Wednesday with Rev. Montie Stewart and Chaplain Winton Gable, officiating. Internment will be in the Weaver Cemetery.
   Mr. MOODY, a son of Laura ESTES MOODY and the late F.E. MOODY SR. was born in Kaufman County on January 21, 1921. Except for a few years spent in Kilgore, he has lived most of his life in and near Terrell. He was a veteran of World War II, serving the Quartermaster Corps in the Persian Gulf area and in Iran.
   He was a member of the First United Methodist Church.
   He was married to Alice Marie BALLARD on Augst 12, 1942. Surviving him are his wife, Alice Marie MOODY of Terrell' his mother Laura MOODY of Terrell; and other relatives.

Hope everyone is having a great week.
Cuz'n Laura

Hi Laura! Glad to see you made it to the board. I kinda lost contact with you over the last year.

The photo of Jesse Hickman farming was in my grandfather's photos. I scanned it in and magnefied it to see who was in the photo.

You asked about the photo of the Moody house on Lake Terrell. That home belonged to Nora and Ira Moody Sr. They moved it to that property after they lost the store in Elmo. The home was the old Henry West home and was originally located off of 429. It currently sits on 390 near the Elmo cemetary. It is still owned by the Moody family.

I too have seen Mary's last name both ways (Anders and Andrews). We have ask if her children were mistaken when they said her madien name was Andrews or did the person who wrote the marrage certificate wrong. We may never know. I have decieded to call her Andrews and make note of Anders on my record for her. I hadn't heard that her middle name was Elizabeth. I was always told that it was Lousie. Her grave stone says Mary L. Moody. Sue did you get this info from Ira Jr (Shorty) or Ira Sr? If it was Shorty, I need have my dad look for it. He recieved all of Shorty's family history records when Ira Jr died in 2000.

Luella Hickman Moody Knoy death certificate says her mother was Mary Andrews and father was Hickman Moody. William Edward Moody death cert. says father was James Moody and mother was Mary
Elizabeth Andrews. Informant was Ira L Moody. That is what I was basing my Andrews name on instead of Anders. Sue

Mike - during our phone conversation I had asked where you had information that Mary L Moody's last name was ANDREWS where as I was showing it as ANDERS. I was going through some of my stuff - just browing through it and I have a copy of Mary's marriage certificate where she is listed as Mary ANDERS but then on records for her application for Pension they listed her as Mary L ANDREWS. Do we have her parents names or any information on her as a child? For some reason I have her father's name listed as Billy ANDERS and I have no idea where that came from. As I explained, when we spoke, I got a virus this summer and had to reformat my hard drive and thought I had saved everything I had on Family Tree Maker and it turns out I didn't - so that is all lost to me -- BIG SIGH! All I have is info I have on PAF and that is where I list Billy ANDERS as Mary L ANDERS/ANDREWS Moody's father. I will have to dig through all my stuff to see if I have any information as to why I have his name on my pedigree chart.
Cuz'n Laura

I would like to thank all those who over the period of many months have so freely shared knowledge, information and personal views on the Moody family for the benefit of other researchers--researchers who are virtually all unseen, many unknown and some, perhaps, yet unborn.

I say this as a reminder that once we post information to the web, whether on this site or any other, we have no control over who sees or uses that information in the future. This could be both good or bad, all depending on how you view it. This is why some material is rightly passed to one another in emails rather than in postings.

I for one, however, make no effort to catalog "secrets" of those who have passed-on and have no desire to know secrets of those living. Like most family history researchers I am researching multiple family-lines at all times and I have over 10,000 individuals in my records. If I am told a family fact, the one who shares it with me is right to expect that it may some day become part of "public information".

To quote the Moody Genealogy Research Site--

"The Moody Family Genealogy Research Board is a cooperative effort whereby individual family researchers support and encourage one another through the posting of research materials that are thought to be of general interest to other Moody researchers. In a word, its all about SHARING. The Quick Topic discussion board is also available to provide communication between researchers."

Susan -thank you so much for access to the picture of Jesse H Moody Farming! What a great pic!
Cuz'n Laura

Hi, Laura and welcome to the discussion board.

I'll try to answer some of your questions where I actually know something of an answer. Hopefully others who are "listening in" can also help.

The picture of Jesse Hickman Moody farming is indeed your Jesse. That is one of my favorite pictures and we have Susan Moody Van Heusen to thank for it. It was taken about 1900, I think, before Jesse married and moved to Oklahoma. Later, of course, he moved the family back to Kaufman County.

According to the Social Security Death index, Robert Lowell Moody, who was born on Jan 20, 1954 died on June 11, 2005. His last residence was Prescott, Arizona.

I've seen Bee's name both ways, as a name and as an initial. His grave marker says: W. E. (B.) Moody. I've asked about where the name comes from and no one seems to know except that it came about probably so that he was not confused with his cousin, William Washington Moody. William W. Moody was Henry's son.

Susan is a descendant of Bee and kind of our expert. I am a descendant of Bee's younger (and Jesse Hickman's older) sister Nancy Jane who married Robert Mackey. By the way, just to add confusion, Bob Mackey's sister Mattie was the second wife of William Washington Moody, Bee and Jesse's cousin.

I believe the house is in Elmo near the lake and was Ira's.

In case you have not seen the Moody Family Genealogical Research Site, you might want to at
http://www.execuclean.com/moody/genealogy.htm
These things are never as up-to-date as we wish they could be. Any data you have to add would be appreciated.

Oh forgot - in case it is needed- my email address is laubauco@msn.com my hotmail one died long time ago. I live in Colorado Springs CO. Also--- I see on the family sheet that Robert Lowell Moody Jr is listed as having died in 2005 - can you tell me where he died and where this information came from? Last I knew, Bobby was living in Denver and I can find no obituary from a Denver newspaper. Thank you.

Mike - Hello - I am a cousin --- My great grandparents are Jesse Hickman Moody and Lavinia Comegys. Am Susan's cousin also -- don't ask me how many times removed and such it just confuses me. You have my grandmother Agatha Mae Moody Chapman's birth year incorrect - she was born March 24, 1912 not 1913. Thank you for spelling her middle name correctly! Love the pictures and I may never figure out who everyone is. One of the pictures is titled - Jesse Hickman Moody farming -- is that MY Jesse Hickman Moody (so many Jesse's and Hickman's so double checking) -- which one is he??? The Moody house in Terrell - to which Moody did it belong? I also thought "Bee" was "B" - more of an initial than the word. Can anyone clarify that one for me? Was thrilled to find your site...can't believe it took me a year to find it -- I've been a bit slow lately (more than usual) LOL. Cousin Laura

I received the photo from Sue and I have posted it to the Moody Album. It is a wonderful find, Sue. Thanks for sharing with us. Note: the photo is severely damaged and has been scotched tape together at least once. You'll see what I mean when you go to the album. It is posted to the album as Sue passed it along to me. I also went ahead and digitally tried to repair the worst of the damage, hopefully without detracting from any of the original content of the picture. Both the original and the repaired are posted to the album.

http://www.execuclean.com/family_tree/MOODY_album.htm

Sue mentioned in her email that the photo appears to the family to be an old studio-composite portrait. That's what it looks like to me, too.

mike@execuclean.com

I look forward to seeing it!

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Subject: The Genealogy of the Moody Family of Kaufman County
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:56:21 -0800




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What email address should I use for that picture? The one I used came bask undeliverable. Sue
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Guess what- while going thru my Knoy-Moody file this weekend I found a picture of Louella Hickman Moody Knoy and her husband William Joshua Knoy.I am emailing it to Mike -
Sue Clinton

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Correction made. There are two of her children who lived to adulthood we do not yet have pictures of. These are the two girls she had with Hickman: Luella and Celia Annie.

I work up such comparison-photos for my own purpose and sometimes share them, as I have this one. My personal purpose is to demonstrate the family traits, to see how facial features compare.
It is interesting to me to see how similar Henry and Jesse's features are and how different they are from their half-brother Albert. We can get an idea of the genetic infuence, if you will, that Hickman and James must have had on their off-spring and what they themselves might have looked like.
While I am not aware of Hickman's size, we do know from army enlistment records (14th Kansas Cavalry-USA) that Henry, the oldest brother, was a fairly tall man for the times at 5'10" but that James was only 5'4". (this Civil War data made available by Prof. Justin Sanders)
The WWI draft registration for Jesse Hickman, one of James' sons, indicates that he was a medium-built fellow who was medium in height. (It also tells us he had red hair.)(There is no draft registration record for Henry, his brother, no doubt because at the time he was a patient at the mental hospital and would spend the rest of his life there.) The grandson of James' oldest brother Henry, Roy, on the other hand was listed as "tall" as one would expect he might be with a father who, too, would have been considered tall in his day. Interesting to note, however, that Roy's brother, Floy, was only considered to be medium in height.

You are right. I stand corrected. I'll fix it.

Mike, the picture of the children of Mary Lou Moody.....you have Louella picture wrong. That is Mollie Louisa Moody JOnes. Mollie's parents are William and Celia Ann Cody Moody.

Several new photos have been added to the Moody photo album ( http://www.execuclean.com/family_tree/MOODY_album.htm ), including one recently shared by Janice. We now have pictures of all of Mary Lou Moody's children that lived to adulthood except Celia "Annie" Meek.

I guess you are talking about the pictures I refered to after you posted the three lookalike pictures of the moody men. In looking at them I saw a great resymbolence to my dad in the pictures of our family taken about 1947 and the one taken 1952. I know you have them in your many photos. It would stand to reason that there might be a likeness as dad was half Moody.

Thanks for posting the picture, Mike. It looks much better than I expected. I have transferred the funds for your book. My mailing address should show up on your receipt. I'm looking forward to reading it.

Louise, Herman was my uncle-my father's brother. He was kind of a jack-of-all-trades, so I wasn't surprised when Mike said he was driving a long haul truck. In his later years he had worm beds and would sell the worms to the locals for fishbait. He was one of those real characters who always had a funny story to tell(usually with a twinkle in his eye). The older girl you referred to was probably Christine. As far as I know she is still living in Kermit in her mom and dad's house.

I live in Odessa, TX, about 45 miles to the east of Kermit. I have one daughter, Laurie, and one son, David, and five grandchildren, ages 19, 11,11,11,and 10. Yes, they're triplets, so I know a little about dealing with multiples, too. Louise, you really do have your hands full, with the older kids and the babies as well. I am not working outside the home right now, so I pick up the triplets from school every day for my daughter and oversee homework, instrument practice, etc. Then the chaffeuring duties begin: to dance lessons, Tae Kwon Do class, Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, etc, etc, etc. At least my busy time doesn't start until they get out of school! This is the first time I have felt that I had the time to start researching our family.

The picture of the Slaughter Family about 1907, in addition to some other new pictures, is now posted at the Moody family photo album http://www.execuclean.com/family_tree/MOODY_album.htm

The money may be sent to my Paypal account by referencing my email address: Mike@execuclean.com

Louise, send me that picture you were talking about and I will post it. Janice your picture will go up very soon, anotated with everybody's names.

Hi Janice�A;�A;I am the Louise Mike refers to in one of his messages. I have lost ready recall of our family tree since Mike has added so much lately. What relationship are you to Herman Slaughter? I remember visiting him once when I was about 8 or so. He had several sons and at least one daughter who was about 16 or 17. We went to White Sands to play in the sand I still have pictures of it. This was in Kermit Texas. I live in Oklahoma City and am 64 years old. I don't do research any more as I am rising my grandchildren now helping with three 11, 7, 6, and totally rising a set of twins 20 months old so I am quite busy, but I do check my email and try to answer it, so feel free to write anytime just wait for the answer. Louise�A;�A;�A;----- Original Message ----�A;From: QT - Janice Golden <qtopic+34-mGnHxSUsnUg@quicktopic.com>�A;To: QT topic subscribers <qtopic+subs@quicktopic.com>�A;Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:58:00 PM�A;Subject: The Genealogy of the Moody Family of Kaufman County�A;�A;�A;--QT-------------------------------------------------------------�A; Reply by email or visit�A; http://www.quicktopic.com/34/H/mGnHxSUsnUg/m190�A;--------------------------------------------------------------- -�A;�A;Hi Mike,�A;Thanks for your kind welcome. I have been looking at all the�A;photos, obits, etc. on the website. They are great! I had found�A;the (later) picture of Mary Louise Moody on the Kaufman County�A;"Kith and Kin" page and emailed Susan to thank her for posting�A;it, even though I didn't know if she uses that email address any�A;longer. It was only the second Moody ancestor photo I had ever�A;seen. I have one family photo of my grandparents, John C.�A;Slaughter and Sarah Francis Moody and six of their eight sons.�A;If you want it, I'll scan it and email it to you. �A;�A;As I said, I'm a REAL newbie to family research, although I have�A;always been interested in it. Back in the early 1970's, I tried�A;to pick the brains of my dad and his brothers at our family�A;reunion but I got very little information from them. I concluded�A;that there was a conspiracy among them to keep some deep, dark�A;family secret.:) Anyway, I really only started looking for�A;information in August and haven't input anything into a file�A;yet. I have been looking at genealogy software. Do most of you�A;use Family Tree Maker 10? Or do you recommend something else? I�A;am compiling our family's information and have asked my sisters,�A;brother and some cousins for their information so that it will�A;be as accurate as possible. When I get it into a file, I'll be�A;glad to send it to you. �A;�A;Re William Andrews and the "Old Three Hundred", I feel certain�A;that Mary Louise's father was too young to have been awarded a�A;land grant if he was indeed born in 1811. I was thinking maybe�A;her grandfather. That's why I asked if you had any information�A;farther back. �A;�A;Yes, my father's name was William. There was always some�A;confusion about which name came first. Social Security had it as�A;William Frank, but when he ordered his and my mom's marker, he�A;had Frank William put on it. He always went by Frank, though.�A;�A;I saw something on this message board about you writing a book�A;about the Moody family. I would really be interested in getting�A;one. And also something about a book you're working on now? Is�A;it about the Mackey family? �A;_________________________________________________________________�A;To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/34/X/mGnHxSUsnUg�A;Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT�A;�A;�A; �A;________________________________________________________________ ___________________�A;Sponsored Link�A;�A;Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. �A;www.nextag.com

Mike,
Thanks so much for posting the picture from your reunion. I really enjoyed seeing you and your dad and all the other cousins. It's too bad your wife, Laurie, was taking the picture. I would like to have seen her, too. It so happens I have a daughter named Laurie. Coincidence....

Thanks also for the info on the software from the LDS. I get on their website frequently to do research, but I didn't know they had the software available for download at no charge. What a deal! I'm definitely going to check it out.

I really would like to have one of your books. If you will send me your mailing address via email, I will send you a money order. Or....if you have a Paypal account set up, I could send it to you that way. Whatever you prefer, just let me know.

Janice;
Since you are sending me a picture or two, I'm going to make a picture available to you, as well, and to anybody else "listening in". You have a group of second cousins and their families up here in the Pacific Northwest and each year we get together for a picnic. You'll find a picture of this year's get-together at this address: http://www.execuclean.com/laborday.htm

Concerning family tree software, there are many fine programs out there including Family Tree Maker. What I use has the advantage of being free. The Mormons, for doctrinal reasons, are very much into family history and they make available a computer program called Personal Ancestral File 5.1., and when downloaded off their internet site, at no charge. While I am not Mormon and my motivations for family history are different from theirs, I find their software very usable and pretty much user-friendly. Here's their site if you're interested: http://genealogy.about.com/library/blpaf.htm

I would very much like to have the picture. I will try to get it posted to the Moody photo album, as well, so others can download it. Good to have you aboard with your fresh information and insight.

The book I am currently working on would not touch your line. It is about the Harder family. However, a book I wrote last summer entitled "The Mackey Family of Beckham County: The Story of Robert and Nancy Jane Mackey, their Ancestors and Descendants 1832-1945, does have quite a bit about the Moodys. Among other bits of Moody history, it deals with James A Moody (your great-grandfather) and his brother's war service (Union) and some other interesting bits of information. The book has been updated recently and some factual errors have been corrected. The genealogy information has been updated and expanded, too. The book sells for $15.95 plus $2.00 shipping (media rate) for a total of $17.95.

I have mentioned the possibility of doing a Moody-specific book, but will wait until my current project is over before seriously exploring it. The other book I wrote on my Bloomer and Deyo family history would be of no interest to you at all.

Can you post here your family tree information from your grandparents on down? I'm sure many would appreciate it.

Hi Mike,
Thanks for your kind welcome. I have been looking at all the photos, obits, etc. on the website. They are great! I had found the (later) picture of Mary Louise Moody on the Kaufman County "Kith and Kin" page and emailed Susan to thank her for posting it, even though I didn't know if she uses that email address any longer. It was only the second Moody ancestor photo I had ever seen. I have one family photo of my grandparents, John C. Slaughter and Sarah Francis Moody and six of their eight sons. If you want it, I'll scan it and email it to you.

As I said, I'm a REAL newbie to family research, although I have always been interested in it. Back in the early 1970's, I tried to pick the brains of my dad and his brothers at our family reunion but I got very little information from them. I concluded that there was a conspiracy among them to keep some deep, dark family secret.:) Anyway, I really only started looking for information in August and haven't input anything into a file yet. I have been looking at genealogy software. Do most of you use Family Tree Maker 10? Or do you recommend something else? I am compiling our family's information and have asked my sisters, brother and some cousins for their information so that it will be as accurate as possible. When I get it into a file, I'll be glad to send it to you.

Re William Andrews and the "Old Three Hundred", I feel certain that Mary Louise's father was too young to have been awarded a land grant if he was indeed born in 1811. I was thinking maybe her grandfather. That's why I asked if you had any information farther back.

Yes, my father's name was William. There was always some confusion about which name came first. Social Security had it as William Frank, but when he ordered his and my mom's marker, he had Frank William put on it. He always went by Frank, though.

I saw something on this message board about you writing a book about the Moody family. I would really be interested in getting one. And also something about a book you're working on now? Is it about the Mackey family?

Janice,

I just spent an hour or so on the phone with my Dad, Frank Mackey Jr, and he reminded me of some things that he remembered his dad, Frank Mackey Sr, talking about when he was a kid, and I recalled something that my Aunt Louise mentioned. If you're reading this, Louise, please correct or add to, would you?

After my grandparents had gone down to Louisiana to see their daughter, Louise where she was stationed in the army in 1970, they were headed over to Kermit, TX to see your uncle Herman. Grandpa and Herman were fairly close as first cousins go. The way I understand it Herman was a long-haul trucker or something like that and would try to swing by Sayre/Elk City when he could, just to visit. Unfortunately my grandparents never got to Herman's because they were killed in a car wreck.

Was Frank your dad's middle-name? Was his first name William? I'm trying to get a handle on him in the Social Security index.

Here is my web-page showing the Moody genealogy as I have it. It's not quite up-to-date, but pretty close. Henry Moody was William Moody's father. http://www.execuclean.com/family_tree/moodyfami/index.htm

Welcome, Janice. I am a descendant of Nancy Jane Moody (my g-grandmother), the older sister of Sarah. Old family lore in my branch of the family says that John and Sarah Slaughter and family were in the same church as Robert and Nancy Jane Moody. This may have still been the case after Sarah died and John remarried. My grandfather who was a child at the time remembered it and told my Dad, Frank Mackey Jr, about it.
I would like to know more about your family. Can you share with us your family tree information?

I don't know much about the "300", but weren't the land grants made by the Mexican government in about 1824? If the connection between the Andrews family and the Austin settlers be proven, this would be a very interesting family-history development.

Here's a web-page you might find interesting. The Moody family photo album. All the folks pictured are descendants of William and Celia Moody.

http://www.execuclean.com/family_tree/MOODY_album.htm

If you like, you are welcome contact me personally at Mike@execuclean.com

Hi Everyone,

I am very excited about finding this site with all this information about the Moody family! Okay, here's how I fit into the family tree: my paternal grandmother was Sarah Francis Moody, a daughter of James and Mary Louise Moody. I have only recently started researching my family tree, so I am a real newbie at all this. My Dad (Frank Slaughter) and all his brothers and sisters are gone now, so that source of information no longer exists. I will try not to be a pest to those of you who know what you're doing.:)

The only information I have about Mary Louise Andrews Moody's parents is that her father's name was William Andrews, b. 1811 in KY, married Agnes (unknown) about 1835 in KY. Since Mary Louise was born in Nacogdoches, TX in 1840 (pretty early for a Texas native), I wondered if her family might have been one of the "Old Three Hundred" who were brought to Texas by Stephen F. Austin. I checked a listing of the "Old Three Hundred" and lo and behold, there is a William Andrews! Does anyone know if this is Mary Louise's family for sure?

Hi, Jim. Good to hear from you and look forward to learning more from you. My genealogy research site is located at the following address. Go to it and there is a link to my Moody genealogy info:

http://www.execuclean.com/family_tree/mackey_genealogy.htm

Good evening everyone. I am just a newcomer who was browsing google tonight and saw the references to the Moody's and so came a'runnin! Parker J. Moody was my GGGgrandfather. I am related down into the Oklahoma lines to many Cottrell's and Moody's. I got a lot of my info from my grandmother Lurah Victoria Shelton who came to Oklahoma from Alabama. I live in Ft Worth, TX. My website is http://www.jimcsmith.net and I also post my data on rootsweb.com I am looking forward to what I can learn here! P.S. I am the Jim Smith that Mike Mackey was referring to in his posts earlier this year. If you are still here Mike I look forward to getting to know you.

Hi, Moodys, et al. Been a while since there's been in posting, so let me throw out what I think may be quite interesting--at least to me. Up until recently I had no reason to believe there were any other links between the Mackey family and the Moody family other than my g-grandparents Robert and Nancy Jane Moody Mackey, Nancy Jane being a daughter of James and Mary Lou Moody.

However, I have recently been looking at a rather mysterious member of the Mackey family, Martha, Robert Mackey's older sister who, according to Kaufman County marriage records married Silas Cantrell. Other than that bit of knowledge, we've known nothing about her. Then looking at my family tree I find a Mattie E. Cantrell who was the second wife of William Washington Moody. Below are two postings I made to the Mackey discussion site. Please have a look. Do you agree that it would appear that Mattie Cantrell and Martha Mackey Cantrell are the same person?

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Perhaps someone can help me here. I am relooking at Martha E. Mackey, J.T. and Martha's daughter. According to records she was born in 1863 (census) and married Silas Cantrell in July 1881 (county records). Silas died in 1885 (I think that came from the county, too) leaving her a widow. There she disappears. No indication of children. No indication of her death.

However, in JT's obituary there is no mention of her. I thought that the elusive "Mrs. E. Hampton of Chisolm" might be her but I can't find her or anyone by that name and am left to think what I thought earlier: Mrs. Hampton was somehow a reporter's error.

Is Martha dead by 1909? What was her last name by that time if she were still alive?

I went back to the Kaufman County marriage records and searched for "Martha E. Cantrell". This is what I got:
Mattie E. Cantrell marrying William Washington Moody on Jan 28, 1886.

"Mattie" died not long after and William Washington Moody (b-1858)(not to be confused with his cousin William E. Moody) remarried (third time) to Mrs. Alice Virginia Flatt Smith in August of 1894. The Moodys had several children. In the listing I have, which came from the censuses. The 1900 census list 3 children in the family that would have been born previous to the start of the marriage to Mrs. Smith:
Eva Moody 12/1886 (10-11 months after the wedding to Mattie)
Nora Moody 3/1888
Cleo Moody 2/1890

Logic says these were his children by his previous wife, Mattie Cantrell.
Because she did not live long enough after her marriage to Moody, there is nothing I know of about her, other than her name, which is the same as our missing [Mackey] relative.
I find no evidence of an unmarried Martha (or Mattie) E. Cantrell living earlier in Kaufman County, leaving me to believe that she gained the Cantrell name through marriage and was a widow when she married Moody. Moody was born in 1858 in Kaufman County which would make him about five years older than our Martha--which would be just about right.

Incidentally, W W Moody is also a relative of mine. His first cousin, Nancy Jane Moody, was the wife of Robert D. Mackey, son of J.T. and Martha. William was the son of Henry Moody who was the state/federally appointed Reconstruction-era sheriff of Kaufman County briefly during the late 1860's. Like the Mackeys, the Moodys were Primitive Baptists and lived in the Elmo area generally. When Robert came back to TX in '99 or '00 it was to move next door to his mother-in-law Mary Louise Andrews Moody.

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I found Mattie E. Moody at the Weaver Cemetery in Kaufman County, which is pretty much a Moody family burial ground. Her stone there reads, according to the website, "Moody, Mattie E. 27 Nov. 1864 - 18 Jul. 1893, w/o W. W. Moody"
The 1870 census gives Martha Mackey's approx birth as 1863 and the 1880 census gives her approx birth as 1865. Here's how I have the lives of the "two" Martha's compared:

In the late 19th cenutry in Kaufman county there are possibly two individuals named Martha E. Cantrell (Martha E. Mackey Cantrell & Mattie E. Cantrell). Or maybe they are the same person:

Martha E. Mackey who married Silas Cantrell was born sometime about 1863-1865
Mattie E. Cantrell was born Nov 27, 1864

Martha E. Mackey married Silas Cantrell July 7, 1881
Silas Cantrell died in 1885

Mattie E. Cantrell married William Washington Moody Jan 28, 1886
Mattie E. Cantrell (according to gravemarker) died July 18, 1893

Martha E. Mackey Cantrell is never heard from again after Silas' death.

Maybe the rest of you folks had already seen and contemplated this info, I hadn't. It seems quite probable to me that Martha Cantrell and Mattie Cantrell are the same person. No proof here, though.

What do you think?

By the way, according to Don Bishop's book on the Stovalls, Martha E Stovall Mackey, Martha E. Mackey Cantrell's mother, went by the name "Mattie".

Reta, Callie might have died in Hunt Co. - you might want to check there.

I sent for Frances's (Callie) death record in Kaufman Co. but they could not find one. So I will just have to keep searching. I appreciate all the help you guys have done. Thanks Reta

I hope everyone got my new email address sorry again for any trouble it caused. It is lustivers@yahoo.com now OK

Mine is Mike@execuclean.com

Hi, sorry but I don't have a clue who H. Moody is. My ggf was listed as Ayres on the 1870 census. I was hoping Leondias's father was listed as Wm Ayres. I have sent off for the death record of Mrs. J. R. Lindsey (Callie). Maybe it will have a little more information. I know Callie is my ggmothers sister so Leondias would be her brother. The person listed as Leondias's brother on his obit is James Ayres known as Bud. His relatives have his father listed as Wm Ayres. He lived in Cleveland Co., Ok. I will let you know what I find on the death record for Callie. I would like a copy of Leondias's record. My email is ackerman25@juno.com. Thanks Reta

Louise, could you email me, please? The last one I sent you came back at me. I have some non-Moody family info to send you.

Thanks for the leg-work and the information, Cathy. If you have the death certificate, could you scan the document and email it to the rest of us if we give you our email addresses?

Reta, any thoughts about "H Moody" amd your "William Ayres Moody"? Did your William have a brother whose name began with an "H"?

O.K. folks, this is what I have received as to the info from Leondias E. Moody (Death Certificate):
Lived Precinct 3 - Kauf. Co., TX.
Lenght of Residence - 60 yrs.

L.E. Moody - widowed
Date of Death - August 26, 1929
Cause of death - Peilagra
Birth - Feb. 12, 1851
Place of Birth - Upshur Co., TX
Farmer
Name of Father - H. Moody
Place of birth of Father - Unknown
Maiden name of mother - Unknown
Informant - Ed Musgraves
Buried - Weaver Cemetery

This was on the City of Terrell Death Certificate also, so he died in the city. As to the place of birth of his father, we have the info from Mike that his father was born in Alabama.
Still looking for more info.

Hi Cathy, thanks so much for this information. I am almost positive now that Leondias is my ggmothers brother. I am hoping that his parents are William Ayres and Sarah Wolf. My ggm is Elva P. Moody who married Henry Andrew Jackson Sorrells. Reta

Hey guys - found something on Leondias E. Moody - he was born in Upshur County, Texas, came to Kaufman County in 1889, and at his death, was survived by 3 daughters: Mrs. W.C. Taylor, Mrs. Ed Musgraves, & Mrs. John Moore, 5 grandchildren, one sister, Mrs. J.R. Lindsey of Quinlan, and one brother, Bud Moody of Oklahoma. Will hopefully have more info as to who his parents were after Wednesday (I have someone looking into that for me). Will get back to ya'll later.

Hi, thanks for letting me join your Moody group. If you will look at the 1850, 1860 and 1870 census you will see Catherine listed as a child of Wm and Celia. On the 1880 census she is listed with Leonidas and she is several years older than he is. I think that Leonidas is the son of William Ayres Moody and Sarah Wolfe. Unfornately I have not been able to find these people in the 1850 or 1860 census. My gggf was Ayres Moody who married Elizabeth Jane Moody Allen in 1865 Kaufman Co., Tx. She is the daughter of Wm and Celia. I am working on proving that my Ayres Moody is this Wm Ayres Moody. My gggf was married previous to being married to Elizabeth. On LDS it has Wm Ayres and Sarah being born in the 1820's Georgia. Someone has posted on the net that they had 3 sons. James Ayres, Elvira Pamila (male) and Lon. My gggf was on the 1870 census for Kaufman Co., Tx with Elizabeth and family. There are three children born before he and Elizabeth were married and three after they were married. The only thing that puts a hole in my theory is on this 1870 census there is no sons listed for Elvira Pamila or Leonidas. They would be close to 20 yrs of age so maybe they were working away from home. There is a son James listed. I would appreciate any information on Wm Ayres and Sarah. I hope I haven't completely confused you. Thanks Reta

If there is no proof the Leonidas is a family member maybe Catherine is the family member and Leonidas is te out sider. Food for thought lol just another thought that came to me aren't I smart lol

It is the county's listing of marriage licenses that gives us the answer, Louise. http://www.rootsweb.com/~txkaufma/marriages/marrcerm.htm?
Her maiden name is given here as "Moody".

The 1870 census is the only census where Leonidas is listed with Celia and William. This census was made just a few months before they were married in February of 1871.

Another clue about this situation is given us in the 1880 census which includes a bit of information I had previously over-looked. Here Catherine's father is listed, as you would expect, as being born in Tennessee but Leonidas' father as being born in Alabama.

Add that to the fact previously mentioned by Reta that Leonidas is not shown in the 1860 census with Celia and William does seem to indicate that Leonidas is not a member of the family, but later marries into the family.

So who is Leonidas Moody? Who is, and where are, his family?

Mike does Catherine's maiden appear on anything that you have? ie marriage license or birth cert or does the census list maiden name? It could possibly be that because Leonidas and Catherine were living with his parents at the time that she was mistaken for his sister or relative other than wife by simple ommission of her maiden name. Just a thought want to kick around or do you already know the answer? Louise

Everyone welcome Reta. Reta posed a question to me concerning Leonidas Moody. I have mentioned to some of you (maybe it was just Louise) that I was bothered that the particulars of Catherine Moody Moody (her maiden name was Moody) describe perfectly Leonidas' own sister. Reta was wondering if Leonidas might not be from this other Moody clan (who may be distantly related).

Reta, could you please pose the questions to the group? Thanks for joining in.

Hi Reta
If you go on down the messages to #101 there is the site address that I spoke of before. Go to it and it will help you. Louise >
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> Hi Reta,

Welcome to the Moody Site. The who maintains this site is Mike Mackey my nephew. You can contact him there is another site that has the family tree and pictures and all kinds of things. You could look at it and see it your family fits in any where. Contact Mike at MDM@execuclean.com and ask him for the site. Louise Stivers > From: QT - Reta Ackerman <qtopic+34-mGnHxSUsnUg@quicktopic.com>
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Would anyone have any information on William Ayres MOody and Sarah Wolfe. They may have been born in the 1820's in Georgia. On the internet it states they have three sons. James Ayres b. 1855 Tx, Elvira Pamila b. 1852, and Lon b. 1850 Tx. E. Pamila married Sallie Jorden and James Ayres married Mahalie Jorden. Sallie and Mahalie are sisters. These two families moved to Oklahoma. Lon may be the one who married Catherine Moody daughter of Wm and Celia Moody. My gggf was Ayres Moody who married Elizabeth Jane Moody Allen daughter of Wm and Celia. My Ayres Moody has a son by his first wife named James A. b. 1861 Tx. I am trying to find the connection of my gggf Ayres and William Ayres and Sarah Wolfe.
I have not been able to find Wm and Sarah on any census records. The only census records I have found on my gggf was 1870 Kaufman Co., Tx. I would appreciate any information. Thanks Reta

I havae not found anything new. I did not find anything new in the cemetery book or history books of Pulaski Co. MO Now I am checking out the wills and probates for that county. by snail mail. I am having surgery on my neck- c5, 6, 7. on the 14th. so I will be out of touch for a little while. not supposed to even type for 2 weeks. !!! Sue

I think Mike has gotten side tracked as far as Moodys are concerned. He is working on so many different families that it is hard to stay with one all the time. He is researching his wife's family as well as ours. He seems to be the driving force in most of these family trees.

Hey has everyone found anything new on the MOODY line?

I am active in another similar discussion board. This one is about Mackey genealogy. The five of us active on that board had a recent victory in research that I thought you folks might find interesting. While only Louise and I of this group are directly connected with the Mackey family (and Louise is one of the active members of the Mackey discussion board), I thought you might find the narrative and the support documentation intriguing. Keep in mind that some of the Mackey ancestors mentioned here are close-neighbors to the Moodys. This was originally written to be sent to Mackey relatives.

Here goes:

"I have learned to truly enjoy genealogy. Cousin David Kindred says we have to be detectives in genealogy. Maybe that's why I like it. I always did want to be Richard Diamond or Peter Gunn! The recent uncovery of ancestors Zelphia and John Mackey, the parents of J T Mackey, truly was an act of detective work. The five who are active in the Mackey Genealogy discussion board all participated to varying degrees. To Jan Stewart who pointed out faults in the old data, Johnny Cantrell who first identified "James McKey" in the census, Louise Stivers who gave me feed-back to my logic and conclusions, and David Kindred who uncovered the proof documents in the Kaufman County Courthouse, I say thanks for letting me be part of the Mackey genealogy team.

For those who are interested in such things, here are some supporting documents and a fairly detailed explanation of the recent successful search for the parents of J T Mackey: John and Zelphia Mackey (McKey). Click the following link.

http://www.execuclean.com/family_tree/prov...f-documentation.htm

Mike"

(To all you non-Mackeys: JT was the father of Robert Mackey, the husband of Nancy Jane Moody, daughter of James Moody. Because we could for so long not find his parents, he was considered the great patriarch of the family.)

I talked to Effie this afternoon. Her Dad, William A King did have something wrong with his hand. She said it looked like a rope burn to her but he never said what had happened and she never asked. She drew a line across her hand from her index finger to the lower outside of her hand. Nothing else new. Sue

Hey what happened to the marker for Henry Moody? Have we decided who wants to contribute to it and how much? We need to do this and not forget about it...I will do my part....I guess we need to let Cathy know who wants to contribute and then she can figure each of our part to pay.

I am now in the process of beginning the out-lining process of my second history book. Those of you who have read the first one know that I began the first book in the 1830s and took it to the end of WW II. The second book will be what I think the movie industry calls a "prequel". It will take my known ancestors in Europe and work forward with an expanded overlap of the first book by running to the end of the 19th century.

I want to cover as much of the history of the various branches of the family as possible. I need your help via your counsel.
If you were writing such a book, what stories from your branch of the family up to the end of the 19th century do you think it would be important to include?

I expect the book will be done by the end of this calendar year.

I see that, according to his WW I draft registration, William Andrew King had a crippled hand. Can anyone elaborate on that?

By the way, if anyone needs a copy of any of these census sheets I can email them to you.

You know, I never took too much note of the oddity of the twin's birth place. I guess I'd always chalked it up to enumerator error.

The 1840 Pulaski Co census is interesting. William's family matches up almost perfectly, only leaving in question the girl of the approximate age 5 to 10. Could she be a child who did not live to see 1850?

But Henry's line is quite a jumble. Clearly they have living with them an assortment of grandchildren and who knows what else. We know that Dorcus was widowed about that time. The three little girls are most likely hers. Who knows who the others might be. But what about Lidda? Perhaps we have an enumerator error here as well. Could the 40-50 year old female be Lidda? I don't know who else it might be. However, according to the 1850 census, Lidda would had to have been 66 years old in 1840.

Another clue. Just got a note back from ROAGK, The Wright Co. Historical Society has a Moody family history, complied by Evelyn Moody Duesquene.Turkey Henry, the famous turkey hunter was well known in those parts. they are going to look in couple of files for me this week. They are only open a 3 days a week in the winter time. Sue

I am beginning to believe alot of Mr Smiths story.I went to random acts of genealogy kindness and a lady in MO found Henry Moody in Pulsaski Co Mo
1840 census with William Moody next door. ages and kids are about right.And I did find it strange in the 1850 census that one of the twins was born in TN and the other one in MO. More as I find it. Sue

Thanks for pointing it out, Louise. The link, however, wasn't complete. Here it is again: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txkaufma/1880cens/1880malp.htm

I am still working on the info from Jim Smith's website. Is anyone else pouring through this right now? It would be good to compare notes.

That web site is www.rootsweb.com/txkaufman/1880cens/1880malp.

Mike did you get the posting from Janice on the Mackey site? The mortality list for 1880 lists a Mary Moody 18yr born Miss died in Jan of Meningitis. and It lists James Moody 44yr born TN Dec runover by a wagon, Farmer.

I have been having a very interesting time since this week-end looking at Jim Smith's genealogy website, trying to either find fault with it or celebrating it as a goldmine of information. I am happy to say that I found it more of the latter than the former.

I have attempted to confirm everything through resources I have through the internet. I confess there are some listed in his family tree I can't find. However, those I can find have been reported by him quite accurately. I have some minor differences and some whole familes are lost to me. I assume he had family information, especially as to deaths.

I guess what I am saying is that I trust the integrity of his work here. Has anyone else been doing such digging? I'd like to compare notes before I change the web-site's family tree data. (I will only add info I am confident about.)

The email address for Jim Smith does not work and I have not been able to communicate with him. The address for the website is http://www.jimcsmith.net/phpgedview/descendancy.php?pid=I5621

By the way, Ancestry.com did not list her, but I located Lidda Moody in the Wright County Missouri census for 1850 living with her daughter Edny Moody Eddings and family.

Sue, I've been looking at the census sheet from Lawrence Co TN 1830 that you mentioned and agree that this is our most likely candidate for our William and celia. The clincher is that two lines up is Parker Moody, Henry's son born in 1807 and William's older brother.

This page, to me, not only indicates that we have located our William but have also helped confirm the Henry/Lidda->William relationship.

Those of you who read my book on the Mackeys know that I included the Henry/Lidda information with noted wariness, not at all being certain about its authenticity. However, after looking at the Wright County historical society, I'm now about 95% certain that William is the descendant of Henry and Lidda and a sibling of the Wright County Moody family.

One of those things that makes me feel more confident is the Cody/Coday connection that Cathy is noting. When I dug into it I did become convinced that Celia is not a sibling of the Wright County Cody family, but it would certainly appear that she is a cousin of sorts. Unapprovable, yeah, but I agree, Cathy, that it is very interesting.

If you have not had a chance to look at their web-site, I would encourage you to do so. Links to two specific pages are on an earlier posting of mine.

With Cathy's enthusiasm noted, I am going to go ahead and add Henry and Lidda, their children, et al, to my family tree data. By next week, hopefully, it will be up on the research site.

Cathy, Congratulations to your son and his police academy graduation.

Edited by author 02-04-2006 10:41 PM
Hey everyone! Been busy past few days + my eldest son graduated from the North Central Texas Police Academy last nite-very proud!!! Hey Mike, did find out that William W. Moody's sister Dorcus Moody(b 1814 TN-ca.1880 Wright County, Missouri) m. (1) a Benjamin Randall-(b.ca. 1814)9 Mar 1836-3 children: Nancy Randall, Margaret Randall, Mary Randall; m. get ready for this (2) William CODY/CODAY(b. ca 1812 Clay Co, Kentucky- 28 Jun 1871 Wright Co, Missouri/f. John Coday b:1775 VA/m.Elizabeth Betsy Sumner b:1773 VA[?])-ca. 1834 in Missouri-7 childen: Wm. J,Jr. Coday, Harrison Coday, Elizabeth Coday, Isaac Coday, Dorcas Coday, Henry Coday, & Sarah Coday. Still looking-would be somewhat of a "hoot" if William CODY/CODAY was related to our Celia CODY MOODY!!!

Got it clear as a bell. Thank you.

Mike-I was going thru the 1830 census of Tenn. this afternoon on Ancestry and found this Wm. Moody in Lawrence Co TN- had 1 male under 5- one female and one male in the age group 20-30. Looks like a possible. I sent a quiry to a researcher who had a book on marriages there and she had no marriage for William Moody & celia Cody in her book for Lawrence Co
I got my fax-copier and scanner today.
Tried to send you a letter I had recieved from Joyce King. Did you recieve it or do I need to reread my instructions on this machine.? Sue.

In reference to Sue's inquiry concerning anyone's research into the parents of William and/or Celia, here are two web-sites. Both are impressive, the one by the Wright, MO historical society is out-standingly so.

While I don't think the information here "proves" anything, I think the genealogical markers are substantial. And certainly the two pages from the historical society could be a model, in my opinion, of proper yeoman-like analysis of the US census. Certainly Mr Jim Smith in the last web-site had nothing to gain by the inclusion of our William in his family-tree other than he "fit".

http://www.rootsweb.com/~mowright/wricen11.htm Historical society
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mowright/wricen12.htm Historical society
http://www.jimcsmith.net/phpgedview/descendancy.php?pid=I5621

Hi, Sue;

You're right that at the very least we need to know what county in TN to look for William and Celia to go very far in searching for them and their ancestors.

The only clue I know to go on in our search for that county would be one we would find in the US census.

And here I've been stumped. Let me reveal my thinking. Perhaps someone can help me untangle either the data or the logic in my thinking.--

As we know, in 1840 and earlier, US census recorded only the name of the head of family and the number of individuals living in the household broken down by gender and age groupings. Based on what we know about the William Moody family in 1850, assuming the information was accurately reported and that no children died between 1840 and 1850, the Moody family should have appeared in the 1840 census looking pretty much like this (The Elizabeth reported in 1850 is clear to me to be Henry's wife whom he married in MO and not a sister):

1 boy under 5, 1 boy 5-9, 1 boy 10-14 1 man 30-39, 1 woman 30-39

[additionally, Catherine may have been recorded as an infant (under 5)]
[additionally there may have been other reasonal variations to look for--
Because of William and Celia's age being on the "cusp" it is reasonable to allow for one or both of them to be recorded as either under or over 30 years of age. A Certain flexibility should be allowed in the ages of the kids, as well.
Also, there could have been additional family members living in the household such as grandparents, uncles, aunts, nieces, nephews, boarders, etc.]

Now, I have found only five William Moody families (one only has initials: W.H.) listed in Tennessee 1840 census

Bledsoe County 1 boy under 5, 1 boy 5-9, 1 man 40-49, 1 girl under 5, 1 girl 5-9, one woman 30-39
Henderson County 1 boy 10-14, 1 man 20-29, 1 woman 15-19
Henry County 1 boy 5-9, 1 boy 15-19, 1 man 30-39, 2 girls under 5, 1 woman 20-29
Haywood County 1 man 20-29, 1 girl under 5, 1 woman 15-19
Grainger County 2 boys under 5, 1 man 20-29, 2 men 30-39, 1 girl under 5, 2 girls 5-9, 1 woman 30-39

In my thinking to this point, none of these five families reasonably match up with our William, Celia and family. Therefore, I do not have a reasonable idea of where to look for our bunch.

Glad to meet you Louise. Yes we still live in Ponca City. Lived in this old house for 28 years now. would hate to think about cleaning theses closets to move again. We make it down to the Midwest City Moose Lodge on occasions for state meetings. I talked to Effie on the phone last night and she does not have a family Bible of her parents. said Katie had it and she thought it was burned in Katies house fire.They were sent to live with Uncle George Knoy after their father William King died then to Aunt Goldie house and she sent them to Ponca City to live with their dads sister Clara Rutherford and her family. that all happened between July 1930 and Jan. 1933 when Harmon died here in Ponca city. After that they didn't know too much about their Mothers family.
Mike I am going to buy a scanner this weekend so maybe I can get my sources and some pictures to you easier.
Is anyone actively looking in Tennesse for William and Celia Moodys parents information? Our library has quite a few books on Tennessee. Does anyone know even a county?

Louise and Jesse are 2nd cousins, once removed.
Louise and Cathy are also 2nd cousins, once removed.
Susan Van Heusen is Louise's 2nd cousin twice removed.
Louise and Rose are 3rd cousins.

Individuals who share a common grandparent are 1st cousins
Individuals who share common great-grandparents are 2nd cousins, etc.
When individuals are "uneven" in generations, then we get "removed"
Example: Louise and Rose are 3rd cousins. Your common ancestor, your great-great-grandparents were William and Celia Ann Moody.
Louise's children and Rose's children are 4th cousins since the common ancestors are the same folks but are now the individuals being considered's great-great-great-grandparents.
Louise and Ira Moody Jr were 2nd cousins. Since Susan is Ira's grand-daughter, she is Louise's 2nd cousin twice-removed.

good to meet you Sue. My son Shawn lived in Ponca City off and on for the 6 six years of his marriage as his wife's people were from there. I have been there often. Do you still live there? I was amazed by how little my
daughter-in-law knew about the town she lived in when I went up there the first time. But my being such a history buff any would have seemed to little I guess.

I live in Midwest City OK born 7/14/42 just a little younger than you. I have 8 eight children 6 of my own and two stepchildren all grown, of course. 18 grandchildren and I hope that is all my youngest just had twins I had hoped he would not have any but O well! I graduated Edmond High School, married had 4 kids divorced spent 4 years in the Army. Got out married had two more, divorced, married, worked at Tinker Field for 22 years retired in Oct 2001. I work as a home health care aife now and take care of a friend of 30 years who has cancer. I live with my two younger sons and thier girl friends and children. Nine of us all together crowded but not uncomfortable. There is a picture of me and some of my kids and some of my gkids on the website.

My husband just noted that I cant even remember our wedding date. we got married Dec 28, 1957 in Ponca City, OK. Guess I should tell you my information to. My maiden name is Carol Sue Rorabaugh, daughter of Jess Walter Rorabaugh and Flossie Mae Frazier. I was born here in Ponca City, OK July 30, 1941. married Jesse Lee Clinton Dec 28, 1957 in Ponca City, OK
we have 3 children, Carol Denise was born January 12,1959,Patuxent River Maryland Naval Air Station. Brett Wayne was born July 15, 1961 in Ponca City, OK and Judith Deann was born at Fort Bragg, NC on Jan 28, 1964. Jesse spent a total of 22 years in the service. 5 years in the Navy and 17years in the Army.retiring in Sept 1977.

Does that make Sue, Rose, and Cathy my second cousins? as I am a different generation to you? This relationship thing gets me when it comes to more than 2 generations.

yes Mike you can't get rid of me no matter how hard you try.

I think the update time frame is fine. What ever time you have is more than appreiciated. I can't keep up with you now.

I understand about Laurie staying home. you must have geneaolgied her to death last year any way. lol

I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone for their participation. You've reached into your personal records and you've shared with the rest because family is important to you. That's a good thing.

By the way, I just spent a little quality time with my computer and had it calculate our family-relationships to one another. Here's how everyone is related to me (or I'm related to you.):

Susan, you and I are Third cousins once removed. Your dad and I are third cousins.
Sue, your husband and I are third cousins.
Rose, you and I are third cousins.
Cathy, you and I are third cousins.
Notice a pattern?
Louise, I think you're still my aunt.

has anyone ever seen a written ledger of everyone buried in West Liberty Church Cemetery? When Jesse and I took his Mom down there to look around we could find anyone who had any idea. We know from his death certificate that JD King William A Kings father is buried there and possibly 2 of his wives. sorry I have some errors but it looks everyone is helping me correct them. Keep up the good work I want it to all be correct.Sue

You have the right Clinton family. Raymond was my husbands brother. He "threw" a blood clot 6 weeks after he had surgery on his neck. He was cleared by the dr. to go back to work on Monday, changed a flat tire on sunday afternoon, the clot broke lose and he was dead before he got to the hospital. Walter Clinton and Effie King had the following children,
Betty June born June8, 1935 died due to a house fire on 15 FEb 1947, buried in IOOF cemetery here in Ponca City, Kay Co. OK
Raymond was born 18 Sept 1936, Ponca City, Died April 1998, Girard KS
Jesse Lee Clinton born 26 June 1938,married Carol Sue Rorabaugh (me) on Dec 28, 1959, Ponca City, OK
Don Coye Clinton was born in Harrison, Boone Co AR 13 Aug 1941 died 5 hrs later. buried in Holmes Cemetery, Belfonte Rd, Harrison AR
Shirley Ann Clinton born 7 Dec 1942
Carolyn Sue Clinton born 13 Oct 1949 Ponca city,OK
I have all the birthdates and death dates on Walter Clintons parents and sisters and brothers if you want them. Sue

I know this is off topic but I just saw this story on the Dallas NBC website. A developer is trying to buy an old historical cemetery in Dallas to build a subdivision. Here's the link.

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/6654080/detail.html

I think this is a good example of why we need to keep watch of the Moody gravesite.

According to a website this item is from the Ponca City News April 8, 1998:

Raymond Clinton

GIRARD, Kan. - Raymond Clinton, former Ponca City resident, died Monday afternoon, April 6, 1998, in the emergency room at Hospital District No. 1 in Girard, Kan. He was 61.

The funeral will be held graveside at the Girard City Cemetery at 11 a.m. Friday, April 10. with the Rev. Gaylord DeMoure officiating. Military honors will be conducted by the Girard American Legion Post No. 26.

Friends may visit at the Bath-Naylor Funeral Home, 522 South Broadway, Pittsburg, Kan., after 9 a.m. Thursday. The family will be at the funeral home, from 7 to 8 p.m. Thursday for visitation.

Raymond Clinton was born Sept. 18, 1936, in Ponca City, the son of Walter William and Effie (King) Clinton. He served in the U.S. Army during the Korean War and was honorably discharged in 1962.

On Feb. 25, 1961, he was married to Dianne Snyder in Ripley, Okla., and the couple lived in Oklahoma until moving to the Pittsburg, Kan. area in August 1966. Clinton had been employed for 25 years as a heavy equipment operator and mechanic by Heckert Construction Co., in Pittsburg. He was a former member of the Gooding Road Baptist Church in Girard, Kan.

He is survived by his wife, Dianne, Rural Route 1, Pittsburg, Kan.; two sons, Dwayne of Cherokee, Kan., and David of Girard, Kan.; one daughter, Angela Renee Hall of Stillwater; his mother, Effie Clinton of Ponca City; one brother, Jesse Clinton of Ponca City; two sisters, Shirley Saunders of Sulphur, and Carolyn Fairchild of Ponca City; and four grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his father; an infant sister, Betty; and an infant brother.

This is the difference I illuded to in an earlier post concerning William King's second wife Geneva Henderson. After Ella died and William King married Geneva, the newly married couple had a child: Billy Gene King. Therefore, Billy Gene King is not related to the Knoys or Moodys. I will be updating the family tree by this week-end.

(The new info is coming in wonderfully, but I'm no longer going to be able to assimilate it into the website so quickly, it's just too time consuming. My plan is to update the web-site with family data, however, at least once or twice a week.)

My son, Bob, and I have made the definite decision to make the trip but have set no date as of yet. He's cleared his schedule somewhat for the summer (no classes). He is a member of my staff, so I have to work out coverage for him. Laurie will be taking my place in the business, as he did for me when she and I came down last summer.

Sorry about the picture. I've made that mistake before. I'll look for the picture of Babe holding you and post it as well as make the correct.

For those of you curious about "Babe", Babe was the name we called my mother's mother, Laura Mae Clark Cost. Blame it on my Uncle Elmo, he started it all. My dad at one time thought the name so disrespectful that he refused to let us call her that. The edict didn't last long, so he settled for "Grandma Babe". That didn't really work either. We didn't think the name disrespectful, it was simply her name to us, just like her husband was "Pappy". Yep, we called 'em Pappy and Babe and we still and always will refer to them that way--with great affection.

Mike The picture you have of me in front of the tree was not taken on your parents wedding day. We were living in Elk City when they married. There is a picture of me and your Gmother Babe in thier front yard with the Granite Mts in the background. That was taken on the thier wedding day.
The other one was just in the front yard of that house we couldn't find in Sayre Ok. I was really taken with Babe I thought she was really pretty.

Sue just noticed that you have Ella Knoy King marrying and have a child in 1929 Billy Gene King? She married a Henderson? and you have her as dying in 1926 your dates are confused maybe.

Mike did you notice that Ella Knoy was burried in Quinton OK? We have several Lindsey and Kindred cousins burried there too. small world huh?

Hey Sue can you add the new generations such as your husband and his siblings and cousins?

Hey Mike these Moodys are as proflic as the Mackeys they seem to be every where.

Any idea when this summer you might be coming down? Would be great to see you again. Louise

I have located the Clinton family of Kay County in the 1910, 1920 and 1930 census. From this source I have gathered the following information. (Sue, does this all agree with your data?):

Walter and Melvin's parents were Charles and Ida Clinton.
Charles and Ida were both born in Iowa, as were the older children including Walter and Melvin.

The oldest kid was Earl. Earl left home by the time of the 1930 census.

Russell, the oldest child in the 1930 census, was born in about 1909 and worked as a stone cutter in 1930.

Charles was a bartender in 1910, steam-engineer in 1918 (according to his draft registration), a sawyer in 1920, and a tenant farmer in 1930.

As of 1930, Melvin was still helping his dad on the farm.

Walter and the other kids were attending school in 1930.

The children and their ages were, as of 1930--
Russell-21
Melvin-19 (1920 census makes his age to be two years younger, which would make him a twin of Irene, age 7, who is not in the 1930 census)
Walter-14
Charles Jr-12
Helen-10
Ritta (?)-8
Eunice (?)-4
Dorothy-1

(the enumerator in the 1930 census was lacking a little in penmanship skills)

Effie is the daughter of Ella Knoy and william a King
Ella is a daughter of Luella Hickman Moody and William Joshua Knoy

Thanks for catching my error on Harmons birthdate. 1909 Is correct.Yes Melvin and Walter Clinton were brothers.They even worked at the same place for years. Cookson stone company. All the children grew up together. We have been a pretty close family. I will dig thru my files and see what pictures I have. Does anyone out there have a picture or William A King? Effie has never had a picture of her Dad.
We have one picture of her Mom, It was sent to her after Katie died.

I guess I am still playing catch up. Sue, I don't know where to add your branch. I don't have an Effie in my tree. Who are her parents and so forth?

Cathy,

Thanks for the data. You filled in a lot of holes and clarified some things. One item is probably a typo, however. based on three census sheets and the fact that surely he was born after his parents were married, George Harmon King must have been born on Dec 2, 1909 not 1904. Special thanks for the clarification about Will King's second wife, Geneva. I had found her in the 1930 census with little Billy and didn't know quite what to make of it. Katie's early marriage meant I had only found her on one census with the family and that too had been a little confusing.

Are the two Clinton spouses related?

You mentioned you are Effie's daughter in law. Could you fill us in please on the names of her children, grandchildren, etc.

Lots of good info coming in. Any one have pictures?

Mike, I stand correct-you are right, Marsha was born in 1946, but Mildred & Joe were married in 1945, not 1946 (that would not have been a pretty sight). Also, Rebecca "Becky" was born in 1953, not 1952. Sorry about that.

Children of William A King (born 7 Dec 1886 Lavaca, AR died 11 July 1930, Buried West Libert Baptist Church Cemetery Quinton, OK, married Ella Knoy on 13 Nov 1907 in Potawattomie Co.,Ok, she was born 13 April 1891 Terrell Tx and died in 1926 she is also buried in West Liberty Baptist Church Cemetery.)
Harmon King was born 2 Dec 1904 in Ok and died 21 Jan 1933 in Ponca City, OK buried IOOF Cemetery. Pnuemonia
Katie was born 27 march 1912 in OK. she also has a baby buried in West Liberty Church Cemetery.
Alta King was 14 March 1914 in AR, married Melvin Clinton on 23 June 1934, Ponca City, OK and died in Ponca City on 1 Nov 2004 and is buried in Resthave Cemetery.
Eva and Effie are twins.
Eva was born 22 April 1917 in Ione, AR and married Clyde Young 2 Nov 1935. She died after surgery of Pnuemonia 16 Feb 1962,buried IOOF cemetery Ponca City, OK
Effie is on only one living. She married Walter Clinton on 2 march 1935. I am her daughter ih law.
Lois King was born 8 Nov 1919 in Lavaca, AR was married twice and died in Blackwell OK on 23 May 1987 buried in Mt Olive Cemetery in Nardin, OK
Joyce King was born 14 Feb 1922 In Lavaca Ar married Vardaman J Terry on 18 June 1945 and died 8Sept 2002 Kern Co. CA.
Velma King born 17 Aug 1924 in Brooken Ok and died in Houston Tx on 24 Nov 1995 of cancer. Buried in Houston area.
After Ella Knoy King died William A King married again to Neva Henderson in Potawattomie Co and they had a son Billy Gene King born 16 July 1929 in OK. He is still living. thats all for today. sue

Thanks for the data, Cathy. My apologies to Marsha Alice, who accidentally acquired her mother's (Mildred Alice) date of passing. However, the records of the state of TX are specific that Marsha Alice was born in 1946 and not 1947.

Yes, it is our Wm. W. & Celia Moody (no one can answer to why the name of "Cynthia" was put on the stone). Hey Mike, you're going to need to change some dates & add on some info: Mary Elma Bowling-b 18 Nov 1900(I.T.)-d. 9 Aug 1977 (Terrell,Kauf.Co,Tx); Emma Lee Moody also had a daughter: Linda Joy Richards-b 1943(San Antonio,Tx)-d 1946(Dallas?, Tx); Mildred Alice Moody-b 24 Sep 1918 Independence Hall, Kaufman Co., Texas-d. 27 Oct 1997 Terrell, Kauf. Co, Tx. m. (1) Clifford Eddie Smith, Jr.-27 Mar 1936 , Kauf.Co,Tx-3 children: Buck Morgan Smith, Sr. (b 9 Feb 1937) m. (1) Patsy Jean Smith-19 Jan 1953(Kauf.Co,Tx)-3 children: Terry Michael Smith-13 Dec 1955, Jerry Wayne Smith(b/d)-22 Jun 1957, & Buck Morgan Smith, Jr.-3 Nov 1959; m (2) Martha Sue Zimmerman Haggard-21 Sep 1961(Kauf.Co,Tx)-3 children: Johnny Randell Smith-7 Aug 1962, Rex Everett Smith-12 Sep 1963, Danny Lynn Smith-18 Dec 1965. Wynona Kay "Tootsie" Smith (b 1 Sep 1939) m. Vester Johnson Turner-4 Aug 1956(Kauf.Co,Tx)-2 children: Catherine Elaine Turner (moi)-24 Feb 1959 (m. Russell Scott Boyd-11 Aug 1978[Kauf.Co,Tx]-3 children: Courtney Leanne Boyd-4 Nov 1980, Zachary Scott Boyd-15 Jan 1984, Zane Austin Boyd-2 Sep 1986), & Donna Kay Turner-2 Nov 1961 (m. Mark Everitt McHone-21 Jun 1980[Kauf.Co,Tx]-4 children: Jordan Blake McHone-23 Mar 1987, Evan Michael McHone-3 Mar 1989, Ainslee Meredith McHone-27 Nov 1990, & Mark Hayden McHone-23 Oct 1996). Patrica Lou Smith (21 Sep 1941- May 2005) m (1) Ronald Graham (?)-2 children: Ralph Edward Graham-7 Aug 1959, Deborah Denise Graham- 1962/63; m (2) Donald Burnett (?)-2 children: Rhonda Renee Burnett- Jun 1964-17 Aug 2005, Sharon Elise Burnett- 1966/67; m (5) Eleph "Al" Johnson (?)-Patricia adopted Al's eldest dau. Kele Johnson (?). Mildred m. (2) Joseph Lafayette Sullins-1 Dec 1946 (Dallas,Tx)-4 children: Marsha Alice Sullins (18 Nov 1947) m Thomas "Tommy" Walden-1963(Kauf.Co,Tx)-3 children: Tammy Rayna Walden-21 Dec 1963, James Troy Walden- Jun 1965, & William Keith Walden-18 Aug 1970; m. (2) James F. Trawick-21 Mar 1976(Kauf.Co,Tx)-no children. Joseph Lynn Sullins (21 Oct 1949)m. Jeanette "Jean" A___-31 Jul 1969(London, England)-2 children: Tracy Lynn Sullins, & Stephen Sullins; Richard Gwenn Sullins (17 Jan 1951) m. Catherine A. Gibboney-17 Aug 1974(Dallas,Tx)-1 child: Shawn Sullins; m. Victoria Pounds Jackson-5 Sep 1980(Kauf.Co,Tx)-no children. Rebecca Ann Sullins (18 Nov 1952)-2 children: Jessica Lynn Sullins-30 Oct 1970, Jason Boyd Sullins-29 Jan 1974- Jan 1995; m. Stephen Miller-(?)-no children; m. (2) Montie Leon "Leon" Heflin-3 Aug 1978-1 child: Joseph Woodrow Heflin-27 Mar 1979.
Mike, you might want to change the info that Marsha died-she's alive & kicking.

I brought this up a few years ago on the Kaufman County site. Justin Sanders (I believe it was), said that the marker looked like it was made after 1900. The marker actually does not have the birth years on it. I think that someone gave them the wrong info on that. As for the name Cynthia, someone could have guessed at her name or tried to replace a broken marker that they realy couldn't read. I haven't been able to find anything with the name Cynthia on it except for that marker.

Cathy,

My dad and I were just talking on the phone. He said that my grandfather told him to get in touch with you about info on Bee. See Ira Sr. didn't like to talk about his parents or family issues. Darroll was telling us that when he asked about things Ira Sr. would tell him to leave it alone. My grandfather and his brothers didn't know about their aunt Fannie until one of their aunts told them.

This discussion about graves brings me back to something I got sidetracked about a couple of weeks ago. I've not personally seen the burial site, but according to TXgenweb website, the marker's inscription reads:

(on the east side)
'"They came from Holland and Settled these Acres"
On west side of stone:
Moody
William Washington
~ His Wife ~
Cynthia Ann Cody'
website then goes on to add:
'(W W Moody was Born 1790, Cynthia Ann Cody was Born 1781)'


As we know, William and Celia (every census I've seen calls her Celia, not Cynthia) were both born (according to the same censuses) in 1810. This is the grave site of our William and Celia Ann, isn't it? Does anyone know the story behind this marker?

Cathy,
She's doing good. My dad and husband were just over there last week.

Sorry - I went brain dead. James Andrew Moody's brother grave is a question. It is believed that he & Elizabeth are buried next to Wm. W. & Celia.

Hey Susan - from what my g-mother remembered, his grave is the unmarked grave next to Grandmother Moody's (Mary Lou) grave. Also, my mom (Tootsie) asked me to ask you about how your g-mother Helen is?

I haven't been able to find where Henry Moody, James A. Moody's brother is buried. Does anyone know?

Welcome Sue!

Mike, I think that putting a marker on Henry's grave would be great! Count me in.

A great deal of family tree information was received and uploaded over the week-end. Have a look. We are especially seeing the filling in and filling out of info about the descendants of Hickman and Mary Lou's kids: Luella and Celia Ann.

sorry - what I should have put in my first ( ) they're cheap.

Hey guys - contacted a monument place that my husband & I have used & found that not only are they very resonably priced (or as my husband, as well as others), but they do beautiful work! I asked for a price on a simple flat stone & this is what they will give us - a 8" X 16" flat stone with name & dates for $162.38 (tax included). I told them that I would pick it up. Let me know if ya'll would like to use these people & I will mote that happy to get the ball rolling. I should take them 1 to 2 weeks (I'd say with it being a simply stone - 1 week). Ya'll let me know!!

Here's a new topic for discussion and research, if you are so inclined.

As we are delving further into the families of the children of William and Celia Ann we see more and more use of the name "Hickman" as a middle name. Look at the recently updated family tree information and you will see what I mean. Specifically look at the descendants of Luella Hickman Moody, Hickman's daughter. Obviously, she inherited the name from her dad and it was passed on accordingly to her descendants. However, why did William and Celia impart the name on their second son?

A brief perusal of the internet by me this week-end superficially demonstrated a tie-in between the Hickman and Moody families, apparently as far back as the 18th century.

Do you think we could find through research a definite and specific tie-in to the Hickman family, perhaps about the era of William's parents or grandparents' and through that research find our Moody/Hickman ancestry back even further, perhaps to Europe?

Cousin Sue, we'd like to post whatever you are willing to share here. Please relate any anecdotes or family history and, if you would, send by email attachment, any pictures. Send them to my email address mike@execuclean.com. If you prefer to snail-mail copies to me, I can get a physical address to you. Email is probably much easier, simpler and certainly cheaper.

I look forward to seeing whatever info you have.

Could you send by email attachment family tree information so we can add it to what we already have?

Great to have your participation.

There is a book written about the Knoy Family. "Kanoy-Knoy-Canoy-Cannoy Family History. I have some pages copied from it.My husband is the son of Effie King Clinton, and she is the daughter of Ella Knoy and William A King., Ella is the daughter of William Joshua Knoy and Louella Hickman Moody.
daughter of Hickman Moody and Mary Andrews. that picture of Mary Louise Andrews Moody looks just like my mother in law Effie King Clinton. Even her great grandchildren thought it was her. I have quite a bit of information on the Knoy family but have never posted a file to the internet.

Mike that sounds great. I will do my share to contribute to the marker, or stone. Just let me know.

Taking what everyone, including the census, has said so far, it sounds to this layman that Henry was clearly suffering from brain-damage. It's as though Mary Lou felt for many years she could take care of him at home (up through the 1900 census, at least) but when she "retired" and moved in with Bee and family (actually, I think, they with her)(see 1910 census) it was no longer workable to have him at home.

My wife's comment is that they more readily put people in institutions back then (but based on Cathy's story sounds like he had to be guarded). Society certainly did use such facilities more readily when I was little. When I was a kid, Pendleton in eastern Oregon had such a facility. By the time we moved to Hermiston a few miles away in 1979 it was used for only the absolute worst cases of mental illness or extreme retardation. A few years later it was closed entirely (and turned into a prison).

It is noteworthy that the name of the facility has changed over the years. Words such as "lunacy" and "insanity" are no longer used, at least in hospital titles.

I understand that there has been a bit of a controversy in Texas about the lack of records of patient burials at the state hospitals. I am glad to see we do know where Henry's grave is located. What would you think about us spurring a family-wide drive to put up an inexpensive marker? (I know, even inexpensive ones aren't inexpensive.)

Hey Mike, on Henry Moody - if I remember, my g-mother Mildred remembered her Uncle Henry's visits during family get-togethers (holidays, birthdays, special occations (sp)), & she stated that Bee had his eye on Henry constantly (even when Mr. Koon (Henry's guardian) was there). Apparently that was possibly from a mishap that had happened when Henry had somehow took a butcher knife from the kitchen, took it outside, saw Bee coming in from the fields, & stabbed Bee. Mildred said that not only was Bee shocked about what had just happened (Bee was very protective of Henry), but was "down right pissed" that Henry was able to get to the knives. She also stated that after that visist, all knives, scissors, etc. that was sharp was put up into an are that even they, the children didn't know of. She also said that she did remember Henry's funeral-rather quiet & sad. Also, what she could remember is that Henry's grave is next to Grandmother Moody's grave (that's the unmarked grave next to Mary Andrew Moody).

Susan, Just to add to the discussion about Henry G Moody, son of James Andrew Moody, here is some info gleaned from the US Census:

1900 census, Henry Moody is living with his mother, Mary Lou, and brother, Jesse Hickman, at the family farm.
1910 census, a Henry Moody (the correct age, most likely ours) is living as a patient of the North Texas Hospital for the Insane in Terrell. Henry is listed as single.
In 1920, in addition to Henry Moody, there is also a patient named L H Moody. L H Moody is still there in 1930, however Henry is not.

Census sheets are up, have a look http://www.execuclean.com/moody/genealogy.htm

Found this funeral notice today. Emily Sue Moody Smith was the daughter of Raymond Moody who was the son of Jesse Hickman Moody. Emily was born in Terrell on July 6, 1938.

Truman Rice who is mentioned here as her father, was apparently her step-father.

Cedar Creek Pilot
July 5, 2002

Services for Emily Sue Moody Smith, 63, of Seven Points were held 2 p.m. Tuesday, July 2, 2002, at Christian Life Center with the Rev.John Creamer and the Rev. Larry Nulisch officiating. Interment followed at King Cemetery under the direction of Eubank Cedar Creek Funeral Home of Mabank.
Mrs. Smith died Sunday, June 30, 2002, in Seven Points. She was bornJuly 6, 1938, in Terrell.
She was preceded in death by brother, Truman O. Rice.
Survivors include husband, Oddie V. Smith of Seven Points; father,Truman Rice of Seven Points; mother, Rev. Lucille King Rice of Seven Points; son, Mark Smith of Seven Points; grandsons, Dustin Smith and Nathan Smith.
Pallbearers were Mike Smith, Kenny Smith, Ricky Smith, Jermery Smith, Kevin Smith, and Chris Coburn.
Honorary pallbearers were Dustin Smith and Nathan Smith.

I would like to add three new links to our research site. The accomplishment of one of these areas will be purely on me. I will be adding a site of relevent census sheets.

However, the other two will require a great deal of input from others. I want to create a research section of family obituaries. Many of you have already sent me some. If you have any more, I can use them.

Likewise, I plan on a research section of pictures and locations of gravestones. Many, many pix have been sent in, but if you have more, I can use them.

Thanks Cathy.

Appreciate the new info.

However, I have some questions for further clarification. Do I understand that Billy (William E Moody Jr) also had a son named "Billy" and one or the other has died, correct? If so, which one. Do you know birthdates, etc on any of these folks?

Mike, help here on some of the folks - Libbie Lou Moody: m to Richard Carry, has 2 sons: Johnny Schultz & Danny Carry (died within the last 7 yrs.), lives around Grandbury, Tx area; William E. "Billy" Moody: m. Mary ?, 3 children: Gaylen, Vivianne (died within last 8(?) yrs. (crossing rd-got hit by car), Billy (died last 10 (+/-)yrs.-in State Home/? on death), lives in Terrell (Windsor Care Center - going blind/still sharp, though); Beatrice Marie Moody Stewart David: m Hubert Stewart, 2 dau.: Betty Margaret Stewart ? (died within last 5 yrs), Mary Sue Stewart Freeman ?, m Emory David (no child). Hey - just looked at the time/got to go-work. Will finish with list later. Have a good one!

Susan, I find it funny that you said you worked on the computer all day and rarely got on the one at home but the week-ends. The family website is addicting isn't it. I get up in the middle of the night a lot and it is the perfect time to work on anything on the computer as it is in the livling room and I live with two of my sons and thier wives and four grandchildren. busy household. The first thing I do is check on the discussion page to see what new things the rest of you are adding to it. Mike is really good at what he does.

Just finished uploading a slew of pictures to the Moody photo album. Have a look.

Mike,

On the picture of the Moody boys, the one you have as Darroll is Kenny. The one you have listed as Gilbert is Darroll. Gilbert is the youngest one pictured in the middle.

So, the bottom row from the left should be Kenny, Gilbert and then Darroll.

On Henry G Moody, son of James A and Mary L Moody, he lived at the state hospital. My notes from my grandfather state that he was there due to a childhood accident. He is buried in an unmarked grave in Weaver. I don't know if the accident is the same that killed James or another. My grandfather talked about a Moody child that lived at the state hospital because he was attacked by fighting rosters. The child was playing under the house and was cornered by the rosters and attacked.

Susan

Mike, Hanna E. Jones died when she was 2 1/2 years old. William Jesse Jones died when he was 15 years old. Samuel H. Jones died when he was 1 1/2 years old. Mary A. Jones died when she was about 23 days old. James H. Jones died when he was 9 months old. There are no death records on any of them. They are all buried at the Weaver Cemetery with their parents Jesse Lafayette and Mollie Louisa Moody Jones. All their birth and death dates are on the family history I sent to you. Hope you don't get two of these. My computer went off line when I sent the other one, I could not find it and it was not on the message board...

Here are the names of folks in the family tree I know little, if any, about. Can anyone tell me something about them?

Libbie Lou Moody, daughter of Bee Moody
William E Moody, Jr, son of Bee Moody
Beatrice Moody, daughter of Bee Moody
Ira Blake McLemee
Marsha Alice Sullins
Rebecca Ann Sullins
Edwin Ray Richards
Henry G Moody b-1872, son of James Andrew Moody
Rebecca Moody, Nancy Moody and Lildany Moody, daughters of Leonidas Moody
Hannah Jones, daughter of Louisa Moody
William Jones, son of Louisa Moody
Mary A Jones, daughter of Louisa Moody
James H Jones, son of Louisa Moody

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Thomas Pinkney Stovall was Martha Stovall Mackey's brother. Their parents were David Joseph Stovall Jr and Susan Barnett.

in looking at the mackey web site i have lost thomas pinkney stoval's parents who are they

The picture of Nancy gchildren the girls if it was taken in 1940 I believe that the littlest is Audrey Jo Mackey and the on next to her is Florene Criswell the ages would be closer to right. Judging by size and the fact that Jo was always so blond as we all were at first.

Checked out the Pictures on the website. Those group pictures of all those kids sure look like family! It is really ironic to see them and the families having no contact with each other so to speak. Those Kids in the Mackey gchildren are Bloomers, Criswells and Mackeys.

As we discuss any possible connection to Buffalo Bill, let me remind all of us that our last Cody relative, Celia Ann, was born in 1810 in Tennessee. Buffalo Bill was born in 1846 and his father, Isaac, who was born in 1811 was born in Canada.

How do we connect the families genealogically?

Thanks for the photos, Susan, they were received. By this week-end I should have them posted to the web-site for all to benefit.

Was there anything printed in any of the local papers when James was killed in '79? Justin Sanders, I believe, was the first one I had relay the story as if man-slaughter or even murder was suspected by some at the time. Prof Sanders has not responded to my emails for some time, perhaps he will after the end of the school year.

Mike,

I'm emailing you some photos. Let me know if you don't get them.

Cathy,

I haven't been able to find Bee on the 1900 census. Have you found him on the 1900 census?

Susan

Mike,

What questions do you have about the Moody gravesite? I don't know who currently owns it. It looks as if there is no home on the property. There isn't anothing on the property with an address on it. I've tried to look it up on the Kaufman County Appriasal Districts' website. They don't have any records older than the 1980's on the web. So, I can't be sure if I have the right property. I try to watch to see if the property ever goes on the market.

Susan

On Buffalo Bill, I met a Mackey cousin online a few years back she said that Nancy and the Moody children use to get free tickets to see the show when it was in town because they were related to Buffalo Bill.

My grandfather use to say that had once traced our family all the way back to Buffalo Bill. He and my grand mother moved alot because of my grandfather's job. When they moved back to Terrell, he lost that family tree that he had done.

Mike let us all know when you plan on going to Terrell this summer.

Susan

Hi Cathy! It's great to have you. My dad emailed me at work to tell me to log in at home to read the message board. I do web design and marketing for Mouser Electronics. So, I usally don't get on my home computer until the weekends.

I have heard 2 different accounts of James Andrews' death as well. I heard from the Kathy Hunt that the driver of the wagon was a confederate. But I heard from Mary Jo that James had a wagon of brick for a fire place and the horses got spooked. You know my grandfather, Ira Jr really didn't like horses. He refused to have them on his parent's place in Elmo.

It's nicfe to hear stories of Bee. I wished I had asked my grandfather more about Bee before he died.

My email address is skmoodster1@hotmail.com.

Susan

Edited by author 01-25-2006 07:06 PM
I have updated the family tree. Have a look.

According to the California Death Index, Louella Hickman Knoy, no social security number, died March 11, 1948 in Kern, California. Her mother's maiden name was Andrews and her Father's surname was Moody. Note her middle name was "Hickman".

You know, Cathy, your message reminded me of how far my own personal genealogical research journey has come over the last couple of years.

When I was first researching the Moody family I had very little family tree info to go on. I remember the day I ran across Kaufman County's marriage license records on their website and first discovered the rather intricately confusing marriages of Hickman-Mary Lou, James-Sarah and James-Mary Lou which I had never heard about before. I had never once heard that James and Mary Lou had ever been married before. The day I discovered through the census that they had been next door neighbors, as well as in-laws prior to their marriage, you'd have thought I'd struck gold. What a treasure!

Once it was clear in my puny brain about who married whom when, I then looked to the census to settle the question about the kids. I could find no one who knew which kid belonged to which couple. When I dug into the census it became clearly demonstrated that Celia Ann belonged to Hickman and, of course, wherever James Albert went Luella had to follow. I think it was James' name that I finally concluded pointed at (though didn't prove, of course) his father being James Andrew.

I must confess, too, I had noted many times that Bee clearly had taken on, in many ways at least, the role of family-head soon following his father's death, but I guess I had chalked that up to his rather strong personality.

Thank you for sharing. I think you may have in your recollections a great deal of information that you may be assuming the rest of us already know. In many cases (most cases, perhaps) that is not so. In your last reminiscences you referred to Celia Ann as Aunt Annie. I never heard her referred to by that name until just yesterday, as I noted in an earlier posting.

You are a great source of information, please keep sharing. It is greatly appreciated.

As each of us shares, it is often the small things that we relay that open up whole avenues of research and resolutions to long-unanswered questions.

I have spoken to my eighty year old father (81 in April) innumerable times about the old days and what his parents told him, and yet I will find him still occasionally casually stating something he thought surely I already knew. Aha! Another treasure found!

Hey Mike-just a quick note-James & Sarah Jones Moody did NOT have any children. Found a paper that I had written info on when I was questioning my g-mother Mildred. Aunt Ella (Luella) & James Albert Moody were Hickman & Mary l. Andrews Moody's children. When I asked her if possibly they were James & Sarah's marriage, she gave me a look that she used to give me when I was a small child, & she told me that "No, Aunt Annie, Aunt Ella, & Uncle Albert were the product of Grandmother Moody & Hickman. If Aunt Ella & Uncle Albert had been James & Sarah Moody's children, then Uncle Albert would have became the "Head" of the Moody home,etc. (birthright)when James Moody was killed in the wagon accident." And, with Bee Moody being James Moody's eldest son, that made Bee "Head" of the Moody home. What a lot of responsiblity for such a young age.
Louise-my g-mother Mildred is the one on the left. The age listing for the Moody "kids" where: Emma Lee (Apr 4, 1916-Feb 8, 1997), Mildred Alice (Sep 24, 1918-Oct 27, 1997), Beatrice Marie (Sep 7, 1920-Jul 7, 2001), W.E. "Billy" (Nov 6, 1922), Mary Jo (Dec 17,1924), & Libby Lou (Sep 15, 1929). I hope that helps. Talk to ya'll later

Cathy, Just looked at the pictures that Mike put on the web site. the pictures of the two little girls that Mike labeled Mildred Alice Moody. Which one is Mildred and who is the other girl?

I have continued to do research on Luella and William J Knox and have more to share. First of all, Kaufman County had the spelling incorrect. The correct spelling is Knoy. This spelling is used in six different censuses.

There are more children than I previously listed. Sometime just shortly before the turn of the century the family moved from Texas to Pottawatamie Co, Indian Territory and then moved again to Kiowa County near Hobart, OK in 1910. At this point in history son Arthur is married and he, his wife and child are living with the William King family where he is indicated to be a "partner" in the farm. When Arthur registers for the draft in 1917 (I have this if you want it too.) he lists William King as his nearest relative. While Arthur is listed as partner in 1910 census, his wife and child are listed as "boarders" so apparently Wm King is not his father-in-law.

In 1920 the Knoy family, including widowed Arthur and his children, move to Sebastion County, Arkansas.
 You can find them in the census. If anyone wants the scannings of the census sheets I can email them to you.

After 1920 I lose track of the family as a whole. I'm still working on it. However, in the 1930 census we do find Arthur and the youngest of his three kids now living in Maricopia Co, Arizona where Arthur has remarried (to a Maud), has had two more children, Arthur Jr and Bettie Jo and has given up farming for the barber's trade.

Here is the listing of the children and some grandchildren as I currently have them in my records:

George H Knoy b 4/1880 TX
Arthur M Knoy b 10/1885 TX
Luther Knoy b 4/1889 TX
Lillie Knoy b 4/1891 TX
Allie Knoy b 3/1893 TX
Goldie Knoy b 4/4/1896 TX
Florence M Knoy b 11/1898 IT
William Knoy b 1902 IT
Johnnie Knoy b 1904 IT


Arthur's children are:

Floyd Knoy b-1910 OK
Opal Knoy b-1914 OK
Freddie B Knoy b-1916 OK
Arthur, Jr b-1926 OK
Bettie Jo b-1929 OK

Hopefully this all makes sense. If you have any questions, let me know.

The additional photos have been posted to the moody family photo album. If possible, I will try to have the updated family tree informaion uploaded by morning.

A hardy thanks to everyone for their imput.

Cathy sent me a bunch of pictures of obits today. Great stuff! The pix I hope to get up on to the Moody Family Album some time tonight.

But the real exciting piece of memorabilia she sent was an obituary for Celia Ann Meek. Who? Celia Ann Meek, sister of W E "Bee" Moody. I know at first I drew a blank on her. Most of our communication on this board has had to do with the children by Mary Lou and James Moody. But as we know, James Moody had two children by his first wife, Sarah: Luella and James Albert. But Mary Lou also had a child by Hickman, James brother and her first husband who died during the Civil War. That child's name was Celia Ann Moody.

Celia Ann apparently commonly went by the name "Annie" and thus is she listed in the Kaufman County marriage listings. In 1887 Annie Moody married "M C Meek". His name is listed as Columbus Meek in the US censuses for 1900 and 1910 and inexplicably "Casel" in 1920.

I located the family in 1900 in Erath Co, TX and in 1920 in Van Zandt Co. However, the 1910 census was more difficult, in large part because they were not in Texas as one might expect.

Earlier last year I had discovered that for a brief time just before, during and after 1910 Bee's brother Jesse Hickman Moody and his young family lived in Hobart, OK. Perhaps some of you know where this little town is. It's in the western (southwestern, actually) part of Oklahoma. My little sister Laura (now 48) was born there in 1957 when my dad was pastoring just up the road in the little town of Lonewolf not far from where the Granite State Reformatory is located.

However, though I had found Jesse Hickman Moody and family there I had not recognized other names on the page. Guess where I found the Meek family? That's right: next door. But that's not all.

Just next door to the Meek family, I located the Knox family, as in Luella Moody Knox, James Andrew Moody's oldest daughter and the twin sister to James Albert Moody.

Perhaps others of you already had the above and the following information, however most of it is new to me. Here is some family tree information I have added to my records today. You may want to add it, too, if you do not already have it:

Celia Ann "Annie" Moody b-12/1858 Kaufman Co, Texas d-10/25/1924 Fruitvale, TX buried Weaver Cemetery
m-Columbus Meek 11/24/1887 Kaufman Co, TX
--Hickman F Meek b-6/1889 TX
--Alva M Meek b-12/1891 TX
--Bertie H Meek b-5/1893 TX
--Mary J Meek b-10/1896 (twin) TX
--Annie Laura Meek b-10-1896 (twin) TX
--Dora Meek b-8/1899 TX


Luella Moody b-1861 Kaufman Co, TX
m-William J Knox 1880 Kaufman, TX
--George H Knox b-1882 TX
--Allie Knox b-1893 TX
--Goldie Knox b-1896 TX
--Flourine M Knox b-1899 IT (Indian Territory)
--William F C Knox b-1902 IT
--John Knox b-1904 IT

It is clear by the states of birth of the individual children that the Knox family had been in Oklahoma longer than the other two families. Jesse Hickman's family had clearly only recently arrived in OK when the 1910 census was taken. This is similarly true with the Meek family. However Flourine Knox (I'm not positive on the spelling of her first name) was born more than a decade earlier in IT before the 1910 census was taken.

Interestingly enough that means that the Knoxes moved to Indian Territory the approximate time that Nancy Jane Moody Mackey and family made their first sojourn to what would become Oklahoma. However, Nancy Jane and family located in the eastern part of the territory known as Cherokee Nation (just southeast of Tulsa)to be near Robert's three brothers. Their stay there was short-lived and they returned just prior to the 1900 census and moved in next door to Mary Lou and her two sons, Henry and Jesse Hickamn, who were then living and farming with her.

whew!

Sorry, forgot to add that Bill introduced Bee & Elmie to everyone as "his cousin & his cousin's new bride. You are to treat them as royalty-the same way you treat everyone here."

I am working on updating the website and hope to have it done soon. I have been sort of waiting to make sure I had all the info that was now available forwarded to me so that it would be as complete as possible. In terms of pictures, I am still hoping to add more. I do have at least one of Louisa and one of Jesse Jones added to the Moody Album.

I know I have just recently shared this info about Celia Ann Cody and Buffalo Bill, but let me reiterate it in light of the marvelous anecdote recently shared.

I have not been able to bring the two families together genealogically and if someone has an idea or some facts that does so, I would appreciate hearing them:

Celia Ann Cody was born in TENNESSEE in 1810
Isaac Cody, the father of Buffalo Bill Cody was born in CANADA in 1811.
Celia Ann's son, James Andrew Moody, was born in TENNESSEE in 1837.
William Frederick Cody was born in IOWA in 1846
James Moody's son, Bee Moody, was born in TEXAS in 1869

Celia Ann was 36 years old when Buffalo Bill was born and living in either MISSOURI or TENNESSEE at the time.

Buffalo Bill was 23 years old and living in IOWA when Bee was born in TEXAS.

Buffalo Bill's father had moved down from CANADA where he was born to work as a stone-sawyer.

Isaac's father (Buffalo Bill's grandfather), Phillip, was born in MASSACHUSETTS as did his father and grandfather.

Buffalo Bill's family moved to MASSACHUSETTS originally from FRANCE and there is no indication in anything I've seen that indicates the family ever lived further south that Iowa (mid-west) and Massachusetts (New England).

While we can only guess or surmise about Celia Ann's parents and more distant ancestors, I've seen no evidence that suggests her family ever lived north of Tennessee or Virginia, though they could have, but no earlier than 1810.

The only way the two Cody families could be connected logically, as I see it, is IF Celia's parents or grandparents or great-grandparents originally came from Massachusetts.

IF Celia's father was born in Massachusetts and IF her father was Philip's brother (Huge ifs here) then Buffalo Bill and Bee were second cousins once removed. This is the closest possible relationship I can develop and it is looking in the most hopeful light.

I think it would be more plausible that the the sibling connection between the two families was probably at least two generations further back making the relationship 4th cousins, once-removed.

(As Louise can tell you, I can be a bit of a wet-blanket when it comes to family tradition at times. As a family genealogist/historian my task is to search for data/proof, using the stories and personal experiences and then finding documentation to, where possible, explain them. What did Buffalo Bill mean when he told Elma "Welcome to the family"?)

Mike, I know you are very busy now, but hope in time you will add our Mollie Louisa Moody JOnes line to the descendants of Henry Moody. It is mine and Greta's line and then you will be getting information on Cathy's line to add to it, also. No big hurry....just would like to see it all added to it one day. Thanks....

Louise I forwarded the message on to Susan and Cathy. I can't wait to get Cathy's information and pictures.....Hope we can all get together sometime this summer if Mike comes.

Disregard last messeage. I forwarded Mike's message to me via email to Rose and ask her to send it to Susan and Cathy as I don't have thier email addresses.

Hey girls, I thought you might find these web sites interesting as they are about the Mackey family. www.exeuclean.com/family tree/Mackeygenealogy and wwwquicktopic.com/31/H/jMbAKH2W36Bsw. There are some old pictures and some new

yes Mike that is the web sites I needed thank you.

Thepart about the civil war I tried to print but it only prints the left side of the page leaving the last 5 or 6 words off. Do you have any suggestions as to how to print it all?
As a suggestion you need to put the last Mackey reunion pictures in it so those who were not there can see what they missed.
I am going to send this web site to the Moodys as I think they might find it interesting. Louise >
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> Date: 2006/01/23 Mon PM 04:01:51 EST
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Cathy I take you live in Terrell. Were you there in 1969? Sept of that year?

If so you may have met my father and mother. They went to Terrell in the middle of Sept to visit some cousins. They were on the way to see me as I was stationed in Alabama in the Army. This was the trip that they were killed on. They visited my and were coming home when they had a car wreck in Alabama.

It doesn't matter if you met them just wondered

Cathy I would love to have the papers you spoke of too send them to 1505 Loftin, Midwest City OK 73130. The pictures Mike can put on the web site and we could take them from that.

The only story I ever heard about Buffalo Bill was that he was a distance cousin to my great grandmother Ceila Cody Moody. If Ceila was born in TN and Buffalo Bill in Iowa, that is not to far a stretch. But I have no proof of anything and my mother being an in-law would not necessarily know any thing but talk.

Mike can you send me the pictures of the Mackey/Bloomer family that were in the family tree? With my move and all the disc that Shawn put them on has been lost and I the computer died so I lost them that way too. I have all the luck. I want to put them into my lap top so they won't be in danger of anyone deleteing them again as no one uses my laptop but me.

I for one would like to have copies of everything you have, Cathy. Are these items that you can send as email attachments?

You bet. Here it is: mdm@execuclean.com

Also, have some picts that I can e-mail. Mike, could you give me your e-mail, I'll e-mail them to you & then you can add them with the other picts.

Mike, I remembered that I had copies of some paperwork that I would love to send you, Louise, Susan, Rose (& whoeverelse who would like to have copies) that has the handwritten signatures of your g-grandfather, & others related to the Moody properties. My e-mail address is hotpost5@yahoo.com & my phone # is 972-524-4200 (my cell # 972-743-1144). Ya'll can call me anytime before 2:00 p.m. (central time) Tues-Fri (that's when I leave for work), but I am off Sat-Mon, so if ya'll call after 9:00 p.m., call me on my cell (my husband goes to bed at 9 (retired Plano, Tx firefighter, but is a Code Inforcement Officer for the City of Terrell). If anyone wants copies - give me your address & I'll be more that happy to send you copies.

Hey ya'll. Sorry for taking sooo long. Louise, the lady standing next to "Bee" in the pict is Elma (that's their wedding pict). Mike, what do you need to know about the Moody "Cemetery/Burial" site - been there quite a few times. Also, as to the Buffalo Bill "visitation", I was told by Elma & later when I was older by my g-mother (Mildred), that Bee & Elma went to Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show around the time as "part" of their honeymoon. Elma was so (as my "kids" would put it) "blown away" with all of the Indians & white men treating each other with so much respect toward each other & then to see "the" Buffalo Bill Cody himself. As I was told,"all of a sudden I heard "By jingy, he did come!" Here was Bee Moody & Buffalo Bill Cody hugging each other & swinging each other around - they were acting like two little boys who hadn't seen each other since they were smaller. Bee introduced Bill to Elmie as his new bride. Bill picked up Elma in a hug, swung her around, & kissed her on the cheek & exclaimed, "Elmie, welcome to the family!" All my life, I had been told that Bee always said "By Jingy!"
Mike - on the death of James Moody, I don't know who it was that stated that the driver of the wagon that ran over him was a Confederate loyalist - they were dead wrong! James & Bee were on their wagon that was loaded with bricks to be used to fix the chimney & other things. James had Bee to get off the wagon while he (James) backed in the wagon. James was standing up in the wagon when something either spooked the horse(s) or stung it. The horse(s), still harnessed to the wagon took off down the road, took a sharp turn, & flipped over, killing James instantly from the load bricks (& possibly braking James neck as well) - all the while with a 9 year old Bee witnessing all of this. Throughout Bee's life, he used mules more times than horses.

Cathy, It's good to have you join us. I'm looking forward to more interesting things from you. Rose tells us that you may be able to enlighten us on the Buffalo Bill Cody question.

About Buffalo Bill:

To kick off a discussion on a possible Buffalo Bill connection, here is genealogical information I have found on the web more than once and am inclined to accept as accurate as, where possible, I have confirmed the info through the official record (US Census)

->Philip Cody b-b-1729 Ipswich, Massachusetts.
 ->Philip Cody b-7/1/1770 Oxford, Massachusetts. Had some nine children of whom Philip (the grandfather of Bill Cody) was the last. (Look for Philip in the US Census and you won't find him. He's living in Canada. Family says he died in 1850.
  ->Isaac Cody b-9/15/1811 Toronto, Canada. Had some eight children. All were born in Iowa except the first one, Martha born in Ohio, and the last one, Charles, who was born in Kansas. Isaac was not a farmer, but rather a stone sawyer. He worked construction and lived among others who worked construction, such as carpenters, brick-masons, etc. Isaac was literate and owned $1500 in real estate.
   ->William Frederick Cody (Buffalo Bil) b-2/26/1846 LeClair, Iowa 1880 census says he was an actor/cattle-raiser

Our Celia Ann Cody was born in Tennessee in 1810.

Some clear facts--

-Celia Ann Cody Moody was thirty-six years old when Buffalo Bill was born.
-Isaac, Bill's father and the approximate age of Celia Ann, was born in Canada.

The story I've been told goes something like this (it varies somewhat each time I hear it, even from the same people):

Buffalo Bill put on a show in Dallas (not sure when) and he made a point of visiting his dear, sweet relative in Kaufman County while he was there. The relative is assumed by the teller to be Celia Ann.

Ok Girls, the picture of William Bee Moody sitting by a woman standing, in the Moody family album, Who is the woman?

I don't know, Louise. Can anyone help us here? I assume you're talking about the picture where Bee is seated and the woman, quite a bit younger is standing. He looks to be in his forties or so. There are no children in the picture.

I'm afraid my whirlwind tour of things this past summer didn't allow me to do anything with the Moody side of the family. My son, Bob, and I are talking about coming down this summer and trying to cover some of the things we missed, including the Weaver cemetery.

I have a question for Susan or Randy about the W & Celia Ann Moody burial site. Are either of you listening it right now?

Hi Mike, Just checking the Moody Family album, there is a picture of Bee Moody with a lady, is that his second wife? Must be it doesn't look like Mollie C.

also checked out the Weaver Cemetary site, It looks to be 75% Moodys or related people. There are lots of people there that look to be related to the Moodys even to present day or late 1900's. I need to get my family tree out and check some of the names against it.

to bad that we didn't know about this Cemetary when you were here this summer.

How's the family? How's your dad? I haven't heard from him lately. He used to call every Saturday afternoon bet he dosen't have my new landline. Give it to him ok next time you talk to him 405 455 3054.

Hi, everyone. I would like to update the Moody family tree at our research website this weekend. If you have family tree info you haven't provided yet, please do so right away if you can and I will incorporate your additions and changes. Thanks.

Hey guys! Sorry, got off after I sent you my mess. Too bad I had not gotten info about all this earlier this week (I'm on vacation this week) Ok, here's some info to help out. Louise & Mike-my mom is Wynona Kay (Tootsie) Smith Turner (b 9-1-39), dau. of Mildred Alice Moody (b 9-24-18 d 10-27-97) & Clifford Eddie Smith, Jr. They had 2 other children - Buck Morgan Smith (b 2-7-37) & Patrica Lou Smith (b 9-21-41 d 5-2005). Mildred remarried to Joseph L. Sullins - they had 4 children - Marsha Alice Sullins (b 11-18-47), Joseph Lynn Sullins (b 10-21-49), Richard Gwenn Sullins (b 1-17-50) & Rebecca Ann Sullins (b 11-18-52). Let me get back to ya'll - company just got here. Be back in a few minutes.

Louise, I found Tootsie Sullins m. Vester Turner on Susan's family history..her mother was Mildred Alice Moody, daughter of William Edward "Bee" Moody, (son of James A. Moody) and Mary Bowling. Susan had Tootsie's last name as a Sullins and I had gone to school with Tootsie and her last name was Smith. I knew she married Vester Turner. I have seen her several times over the years so I called her to find out about the last name. Sullins was her step father's name. Her name was Smith. Wynona is her real name, I believe...but we all called her Tootsie. We were so surprised that after all these years we are kin.... Cathy is her daughter.

Hey Rose Who is Tootise?

Hi Cathy, The more the merrier. Glad to hear from you and any info that you have. Would love to tie our family to the Buffalo Bill Cody. My opinion is a story that is this far spread must have some truth in it. When it just came from my mother that Celia Cody Moody was related to Buffalo Bill that didn't mean a whole lot but if your side of the family thinks so too then there may be more to it than we think.

Would to tie you in to my family tree maker if you would send me your lineage to William Edward Moody it would help and your family info too such as sisters, brothers, husbands and children grandchildren etc. You know the drill.

I am Mike's aunt on his father's side. William Bee Moody would have been my great uncle on my grandmother's side of the family Nancy Jane Moody Mackey married Robert David Mackey.

Where do you live? I live in Oklahoma City OK and Mike lives in Benton City Washington. I am the mother of 8 and the grandmother of 18, 21 one if you want to count stepgrandchildren. We all live in Oklahoma.

Again Welcome to the discussion group post anything you want here or send it to our email addresses mine is lustivers@cox.net.

Edited by author 01-20-2006 02:23 AM
By the way, Cathy, we are looking for pictures of your family (the older the better) that we can post and add to our own collections. Do you have any that you can scan or you already have scanned into your computer that you could send by email attachment? Great to have you participate.

Hi, Cathy. Please do fill us in with some of the information and anecotes that your grandmother told you. I know I have many questions about Bee and, of course, my great-great-grandfather James Andrew Moody. If you haven't already been there, there is some information at the Moody research site we have created and are contributing to: http://www.execuclean.com/moody/genealogy.htm

My great-grandmother was Bee's little sister Nancy Jane who married Bob Mackey and moved to Oklahoma.

Cathy, Mike, Louise and Susan will be on here at some point and will talk to you. I guess they are just busy tonight but may be on later. I know they will want to talk to you.

Hello to all. Yes, we are on the William Edward "Bee" & Mary Elma "Elmie" Bowling line. Have lots info from what my g-mother (Mildred Alice Moody Smith Sullins) had told me. Would love to talk to anyone who would like to hear. If needed, will give you my e-mail add.

I have found some new Moody's that will be joining in on this board soon. Susan, I talked to Tootsie and her step dad's name was Sullins. She was a Smith. I believe they are on the William Edward "Bee" and Mary Bowling line. Tootsie's mother was Mildred Alice Moody. Tootsie's daughter, Cathy is into the Moody Genealogy and will be joining in on this board soon. I think she will have some interesting information on the Moody's...especially on William F. "Buffalo Bill" Cody...

Edited by author 01-18-2006 07:23 PM
Thanks for the correction, Susan. Here's how I have it now in my own records. If it is correct, the next time I upload to my webpage's server it will be changed.

I now have Darrold Ray Moody having been married twice. First to Mary Tores (b-1944). They were married in April 1962 and divorced Dec 9, 1976.

Darrold and Mary had two children Darrold Jr and Julia Ann.

Darrold married Nathala J Pierce (b-1934) on Christmas Day 1976. There are no children from the marriage.

Is this all correct? I sure have appreciateD your involvement in this research site, Susan. Thanks.

Mike,

I just noticed that you have Nathla listed as a child of Ira sr and Nora West. She is their daughter in-law. She married to Darroll. Ira and Nora had 4 boys, Ira jr, Kenneth, Darrold, and Gilbert.

Susan

Mike,
I'm not sure why they called William Edward, Bee. He had a cousin named William Washington. So, this may have been one reason.

Susan

I have begun work on the "Who's Who of the Descendants of William Moody and Celia Ann Cody Moody" This web-page is a relatively simplified family tree with notables being shown as links to individual web-pages that provide info and pictures about that person. I'm just getting started so most links go nowhere and most folks aren't links--yet. I don't even have my own great-grandmother up yet, but its coming. My own feeling is that what makes a person "notable" is that we know something about them and are willing to share it.
 This project is gonna take time, but mostly info, so send me everything you can about anyone in the family that is listed on this page and I will get it up and running. If I have some of the info wrong, correct me please.

http://www.execuclean.com/moody/whoswho.htm

Ultimately, of course, I will provide a link from our research page to the Who's Who for all of our site-visitors to see.

Why was William E Moody called "Bee"?

I am using Family Tree Maker #10 too. I have Rose's place in the family I need your children and gchildren, yours too Susan.

These stories are great Mike will just eat them up the more the better for him.

See Mike all you missed this last year down here. Now you have to come again this year.

I think Ira Jr. was around 5'6". His mother was much shorter and still called him shorty.

Things that I'm interested in are hair color and health issues. I've traced heart problems in the family. Bee, Ira Sr. and Gilbert Moody all died of heart problems. Ira Jr and his son my father have had heart problems.

Ira, Jr's height is interesting to me, Susan. You mention that he was nicknamed "Shorty". As I'm sure you know, according to civil war records, his great-grandfather, Jim Moody, was only 5'4" My own grandfather, Nancy Jane's son, was of average height, about 5'8" as is my father. I never quite got that tall, 5' 7 1/2 (almost 3/4) inches.

Gedcom should be fine.

Susan I would like a copy of your family history, if you don't mind. I use Family Tree Maker, too. I hope to meet you one day at Terrell. It is very interesting what you have been telling about your family. Did you know F.E. and Alice Moody? They are both dead now.

Lousie,

What sile format do you want my family file in? I'm using Family Tree Maker.

Mike,

There is a scuba school on the other side of lake Terrell/Elmo. I've heard lake elmo called New lake Terrell as well. The city of Terrell owns it but it is closed to the public. Anyway, the scuba school is on land that was also a quary. I know someone that has gone there. He said that they have part of a plane sunk and cars sunk out there. It gives people things to swim to. It is right by the Weaver Cemetary. The Moody grave site is on an adjacent road. This body of water is just a big pond.

I can't find my picture of the old general store. It's in bad shape. It's a wooden building that looks like it needs to be torn down. It's located east of the gas station. It has a small yellow house behind it. I'm told that My great grandparents lived in that house until they lost the store.

My grandfather got the name shorty from Mary Bowling. She was Nora's midwife. When Ira Jr. came out Mary Bowling said he's a short baby. They called him Shorty ever since. He also went by I.L. He managed the local Terrell Texas Utilities branch. He also ran for mayor in Terrell in the 1990's. He was really involved in the local Chamber of Commerce.

Susan

I have a picture somewhere of your great-grandmother standing infront of the Elmo post office of which she was postmistress. I think it may have been a picture you had posted on the intenet. Did I understand correctly that your grandfather went by the name "Shorty"?

My wife and I were in Kaufman Co this summer and while we were there I saw an article in the Terrell paper talking about a "diving school" and the "Moody" lake or something. Being a foreigner down there I didn't know really what the article was talking about, but I gathered that much of the old Moody farm had been flooded for a lake. Do you have any photos of it or the building you referred to. The only real commercial building we noticed in Elmo was the gas station (we turned around in its parking lot at least once.) If you have a recent picture of it that would be helpful to.

To all:
Everyone has been great about sendning info these past few days. I will be working up some pages for individual ancestors on the Moody research site. Watch for them and be prepared to correct me about some of the facts if I get them wrong.

"Character" was the word my grandfather used to use to describe Bee, too.

Thanks for the info about the family.

I had not heard that Mary Lou may not have wanted Bob Mackey to marry Nancy Jane. However, he probably did not make for an appealing brother-in-law or son-in-law. By the time of their marriage Bob Mackey had lost one of his legs in a horsemanship accident and he had no land and economic prospects for him must have seemed mighty slim, I'm sure. Ultimately, though, he and Nancy moved back to live next door (or on the place) with Mary Lou just before Bee got married. You'll notice that in the 1900 census Bee is not living with his mother (though two younger brothers are) and Bob, Nancy Jane, Viola, Robert Jr and Franklin (my grandfather) are living next door. Briefly before, they had been living in Cherokee nation where Frank had been born. In 1910 Bob and Nancy Jane are finally living on their own place in Elmo. By 1918 that land had been swapped for some in Prairieview. And then by 1920 they had moved back to Oklahoma, this time on the western end of the state. A few years later they traded off their Beckham County farm near Texola for a small house in Sayre. They died shortly following in the mid-twenties.

Mike:

I was told that Ira Sr's half sisters and brother were more like cousins to my grandfather and his 3 brothers. Ira Sr. was much older than them. Ira Sr. was dead before I was born. He and my greatgrandmother owned the Elmo General store during the 1930s. They issued store credit to too many people who didn't pay them back. They lost the store due to this. This store is the really old building in Elmo on Hyway 80 that has a sign on it saying Sale or Trade. They moved into an old house that was on the site of a quarry. The roof had holes in it due to the blasting in the quarry. They bought the old Henry West property and moved the West home to the property were the quarry was.

Ira Sr. died of heart problems. My family believes that it was brought on by the core of engineers taking most of his land away for lake Terrell/Elmo. He was the last hold out and the goverment was spitefull because of it. They gave him bottom $. He was a farmer/rancher and he need land to make a living. So, they took about 150 acres from him and left him with 9. He had to go to work as a carpenter. My great grandmother went to work at the Elmo post office where she because the post master.

Ira Sr.'s sons Ira Jr and Gilbert, the oldest and the youngest both have had heart problems. Gilbert Wayne died suddenly in 2003 of heart problems. Ira Jr. (Shorty) died of lung cancer. Their mother died of cancer.

Susan

Mike:

No matter who I've talked to they have said that William Edward (Bee) Moody was a charater. My grandfather said that Yosimitee Sam looked like his grandfather. My uncle Darroll said that his grandfather was shot muliple times and lived. He was once shot at close range by a shot gun for not shutting up. He was very stong willed and stubburn. Which is a trait in my family.

I talked to Bee's daughter Mary Jo at my uncle Gilbert's furneral. She told me that Bee use to poke fun at Mary L. (his mom) because she just didn't get the whole telephone thing. She try to talk into the ear piece.

She also told me that the Moody brother's were begged by their grandmother not to go into war but to stay out. However, if they had to, fight agaist slavery. This caused the family to be outcasts. She remembers being called a yankee.

Mary Jo was my great grandfather's half sister. She said that her father didn't talk about his first wife Mollie or Fannie. Her mother Mary Bolwing was very curious about what happened to Mollie. So, her sister-in-law, Lavina (aunt Vine) told her all about Mollie and Fannie. Lavina and Mollie were sisters. Mollie had contracted TB before she got pregnant with Fannie. The birth of Fannie and her death and the TB were too much for Mollie. Bee had a trip that he didn't have to make. He didn't thought that Mollie would be OK. He left and while he was a sleep he dreamed that Mollie was dying. He woke up and rode home. He didn't make it. Mollie died before he got there. He took it very hard and would never forgive himself. He sent Ira Lewis Moody Sr. (age 5 or 6) to live with Jessie and Lavina. Ira is actually one of the children pictured in the Jessie H. Moody family picture. Many years later Bee got remarried to Mary Bowling who was much younger than him.

I had heard that Mary L. and William didn't want Nancy to marry your great grandfather. I'm not sure why.

Susan.

May I have this information, too, please? While I don't expect that others will want to post their email addresses here, I will mine. mdm@execuclean.com

Susan, i would like to know more about Ira, Sr and his relationships with his half-siblings and more about "Little Fanny". Ira's dad, Bee, is a very interesting fellow to me. I'd enjoy hearing some of the old stories about him. As those of you who read "the book" know, I have suspected that my great-grandmother Nancy Jane may have been the sister whose honor he thought he was protecting in the fight (with the wrong fella) that landed him in court.

Professor Justin Sanders is a very knowledgable man about the Moody family of Kaufman County (and other things Kaufman County). He has contributed to my Moody knowledge-base in the past. I notified him about this new research site and discussion board but have not heard from him. Do any of you know him well enough that you might get him involved here?

Louise, I sent my family file to you on the 10th. Guess you did not receive it. I have sent it again this morning. Let me know if you received it.

Hey Susan and Rose,
In going through my stuff I find I don't have anything on your immediate families, such as your siblings and your children. could you send them to me?

Welcome to the web page Susan. My email is lustivers@cox.net

Welcome aboard, Susan. I'd just about concluded you were a figment of my imagination. My dad met Ira, Jr a few years back before he passed away. I have a family picture Ira gave Dad. I assume you are one of the young ladies in the picture, as is one of the men your dad.

I, too, have heard the Buffalo Bill Cody story all my life. I did some digging into it a year or so ago and had to conclude it was unjustifiable or, at least, unprovable. I checked with some folks provably related to the colonel and they said they are forever being asked about such genealogical stories. Their response was that virtually all such stories having to do with Codys from the southern states are false. However, whenever the Mackeys get together I am guaranteed to be asked about it.

Just as a reminder to everyone, the research site is located at http://www.execuclean.com/moody/genealogy.htm. I would like to add other info to it.

Susan glad to see you aboard. My Dad always told me that we were kin to Buffalo Bill Cody also. I have not found the connection on the JOnes side...so since Celia is a Cody maybe that is where it lies. I am going to the Weaver cemetery next week and take some pictures. Anxious to hear what you have.

I have that James Moody and Sarah Jones had 3 kids.

J. Albert 1861
Luella 1861
Annie ?

Hickman and Mary only had one child Celia Ann. Celia married Columbus Meek. They had one child that I know of, Hickman P. Meek. I have to started studing the Meeks.

Hi All! I just got Rose's email about the message board. I'm sorry I didn't get your other email. Hotmail can be fickle sometimes. I usally don't get on the internet during the week because I work on a website all day.

I am a great great great grand daughter of James A. Moody and Mary L. Anders. Their son William Edward (Bee) is my great great grandfather. My grandfather Ira L Moody Jr. was the family historian and after his death my father, Randy and I took over.

I've visited the Moody gravesite a few years ago but I have not been inside Weaver. The photos that I have of Weaver are from my Grandfather.

There are rumors and family stories that I would like to prove. I've been told that we're related to William Cody as in Buffalo Bill. I was also told by Bee's daughter Mary Jo that Henry might be buried in the Moody gravesite. I also have been unable to find Hickman on the list of people buried at Ft. Gibson, OK.

Does anyone know anything about F M Vaughan, the husband of Rebecca Moody? I know very little, but here's what I do know:

--His name was Francis Marion Vaughan and was born in Arkansas in 1839
--he was only enumerated in one census where I am sure he is my guy. That's in 1880 in Kaufman County.
--He and Rebecca had at least three kids: George (b-1875), James (b-1878) and Lucy (b-1879)
--Vaughan married Rebecca Moody in Kaufman County, TX September 12, 1872.
--With three future brothers-in-law (Henry, Hickman and James Moody) he served in the 14th Kansas Cavalry (Union). He may have met his future brothers-in-law in the service or they may have known each other earlier and joined up together. The first seems more probably as he is not listed in the Kaufman County census in 1860 (or 1870, for that matter.)

So far I have found two individuals who are possibles:
1--"F M Vaughn" was born in Six Mile, Franklin Co, Arkansas in 1839. His father was W M Vaughn and his mother Rebecca (1860 census)
2--"Francis Marion Vaughan" born in Madison County, Arkansas on June 9, 1840. Father was also named Francis Marion and mother was Rebecca (lots of Rebeccas here) However, this second Francis comes from an Ancestry.com family record and not very reliable)

yes, Mike has an great wife. she spent two weeks this summer doing nothing but being Mike's assistant while he ran from one cemetary to another lol looking for Mackey relatives. She seem to really enjoy herself.

Mike looks like this may turn out to be another monster of a website lol.

Mike sounds like you have a wonderful wife, family and all your lives are going great. I know your are anxious for your new grandchild to get here. It is so nice of you to let us know a little about you. You have done a great job setting up this message board and there will be others to join in soon..Love your book. Thanks

It occurs to me that I have not introduced myself to Rose (and to any others who are listening in and at this time are choosing not to participate).

I am Mike Mackey, the son of Frank Mackey Jr. My dad's dad (and Louise's dad) was Frank Mackey Sr, and the only son to live to adulthood of Robert Mackey and Nancy Jane Moody Mackey. Nancy Jane was the daughter of James Andrew Moody.

I own a janitorial contracting business in Benton City, WA. Our children are grown though our youngest, Bob, is still living at home while he attends the local campus of WSU. Our middlest, Patrick, works as a computer programmer for the Battelle Corporation at the Pacific Northwest Laboratory over here in Richland. Our oldest, Dawn, and her husband, Jamie, and daughter, Becky, live just about 7 miles away. Dawn is expecting our second grandchild in April. Jamie works for the Winco grocery chain and Dawn has a dog-grooming business she runs out of their home.

My wife's name is Laurie and we've been married 28 years. Laurie teaches private piano as well as spending a major portion of her life pampering her husband.

Louise, are you Louise Stivers? I sent you an email off your site when I found it and it came back. I sent an email to Susan Moody Van Husen and Louise Stivers to tell them about Mike's message board and they both came back. I received the Moody Book today and have been looking at it. It is very well done and full of good information and pictures. I am very proud of it and Mike has done a wonderful job on it. It is nice to see what you both look like, if that is you, Louise. I am so happy to have found some new cousins. I am looking forward to meeting both of you one day.

Name is RosE.I do live in Texas and would love to meet you sometime. We will have to plan it. I will send you what I have on my family, if I can remember how. I am not up on computers that much. I can do what I want to and I have a family tree software that I started with,about 7 years ago. Send me your email address. Mine is rjwolfe@argontech.net

Rosa,
I would like to add your family info to my family tree. Could you send me the particulars starting with Mollie Louisa and going to yourself including any brother and sisters you have along the way?

Where do you live? It must be Texas as you say you go to the Cemetary quite often. I am in Oklahoma City maybe we could meet some time. Louise

The Metcalf brothers were supporters of the confederacy and all three enlisted in the Texas Cavalry.

James served as a private in the Third Texas Cavalry.

Elizamon (E.B.) reached the rank of corporal serving in the 6th Texas Cavalry.

Enoch (who did not marry a Moody) served as a private in the 11th Texas Cavalry.

According to Rose Jones Wolf, Jesse LaFayette Jones, who married Louisa Moody, enlisted in the Confederate Army and served three years in Company "N" of Lane's 1st Regiment of Partisan Rangers. He was a private in the Cavalry. After his death his wife applied for a pension. The pension application was number 17983.

Rebecca Moody's husband, Francis Marion Vaughn, like his three Moody brothers-in-law joined the Kansas Cavalry to fight for the Union cause.

I have been having a lot of fun looking into the Metcalf family this week-end and I've discovered quite a bit. Let me share it with you.

The Metcalf brothers, James H and Elizmond B Metcalf were two of

Joseph and Elizabeth Metcalf's children. Joseph was a wagon-maker/wheelwright, but his sons became farmers. Joe and Elizabeth never really owned anything and at times seemed to even share houses with other families, at least they were in 1850 when they were living in Missouri.

Both Joe and Elizabeth had been born in Kentucky, but their own children were born in Missouri. There were at least four children: Elizmond B (whom Kaufman County erroneously listed in the marriage records as "E.P.") b-1842; Enoch F b-1844; Polly A. b-1845; and James H b-1847. Elizmond married Sarah A Moody in 1868 and they had at least five children: Lula b-1870; Celia A b-1877; James H b-1878; Enoch H b-1879; Edward b-1882.

Note: the 1870 census for some reason lists the E B Metcalf family twice; once on sheet 91 and then again on sheet 92. According to the sheets themselves they were filled out by the same enumerator on the same day, but somehow the enumerator managed to list them twice-even making the same mistake twice! The enumerator listed "Lisby" as having been born in "Illinois" on both sheets. There is no reason to believe he ever lived in Illinois much less was born there. Earlier and later censuses make it clear that like his siblings he was born in Missouri.

By 1880, the family is living in Benton County, Arkansas and Lisby is listed as being handicapped or crippled. He died in 1917 (death register volume 10 certificate #0048

Sarah and Lisby's son, James, married Mary E (?) and they had several children: Lois b-1909; Sarah b-1911; Eliesor b-1914; Eloore b-1916; Elizamond b-1917; Lottie b-1919; Lenora b-1922; Verba b-1926

I am still trying to find out Sara's death date and what happened to the other kids.

James H Metcalf married Lucinda Moody and they had at least two children: Calvin b-1868; James Thomas b-1872. (I have some information about the descendants of J Thomas that didn't come from official records that I am now doubting.)

James died in Kaufman County before the 1880 census was taken and she and the two kids moved in with her now widowed mother and her sister Rebecca, Rebecca's husband F M Vaughn and their kids (George, James and Lucy) (This is all on sheet #34)
 
Note: living next door to Celia Ann Moody and kids and grandkids was a 48 year old Jane Moody and five kids (William, Jane, Isaac, Samuel and California) who I think must surely be related to our Moodys but I do not know how. Next door to Jane is Leonidas, the youngest of the Moody

siblings, his much-older wife (Catherine) and their kids (Rebecca, Nancy and Lilvony)

I still have lots of questions, primarily, where are the folks' descendants

that are our cousins. I will continue to dig.

The other Metcalf brother (the one who did not marry a Moody) moved to Custer County, Oklahoma.

Sorry, to hear your book has yet to arrive. You should get it soon as it went out a week ago.

First my name is Rose. No James A. Moody is the brother of my great grand mother Mollie Louisa Moody Jones, that married Jesse Lafayette Jones. I am excited to be a part of the Moody's message board. I ordered MIke's book and am anxious to get it. I love genealogy. I have worked on my mother's family (Armstrong/Wallis) and my father's family(Jones) and now have started on the grandmothers. I have hit walls on all the rest.I was so happy to find Mike's Moody's site. I will pass the word on to any of the Moody's I come across. It is nice to meet you.

Hi Rosa,
glad to have you here. Mike is my nephew and I am the great grand daughter of James A Moody and Mary Lou Andrews, through Nancy Jane and Robert Mackey.

You are you saying James A born 1837 is you great grand father? or his son James A born 1861? Just trying to get the generations straight.

Mike and I have worked on the Mackey and Lindsey connection extensively. There lots of cousins on that side of our family that we have met through that website. If you know any Moody family that would like to participate in the discussions please send them the website. They don't have to have anything new to contribute just come and visit Louise

I was down in Kaufman County this past summer, but my concentration on the Mackeys was so complete that I didn't even think to go to Weaver Cemetery and scope out the Moodys.

Hope to do so one of these days. However, Washington State is a long ways away.

I would still like to include Randall Moody and Susan Van Heusen in this discussion board if anyone has a way of contacting them.

We were wondering too if Sarah could be kin..not sure yet. We will be doing some research on that soon. There was a daughter of Jesse L. and Louisa named Sarah (Sally)...so anything is possible. If I come across anything, I will let you know. We will be sending you a reply to your email on Jesse L. and his property and finances soon. Looks like you are very knowledgeable on the Moodys. I only have the marriage records of Kaufman Co. and the Weaver cemetery list. I go to the Weaver Cemetery quite often. That is where Jesse and Louisa are buried. I did not know about all the Moody's that were buried there. I will look them all up and take pictures.

Welcome aboard, Rose.

The Luella being adopted thing is a blurb created by my software, I think, trying to explain what is confusing to it.

The history regarding James and Hickman Moody and their wives goes like this:

The oldest brother, Henry, married Elizabeth while the family still lived in Missouri. Henry and Elizabeth lived with his parents and the 1850 census makes Elizabeth look as if she's Henry's sister.

Hickman married a local Texas girl by the name of Mary Louise Andrews in 1857. James, the youngest of the three older boys, married Sarah Jones that same year. James & Sarah lived next door to Hickman and Mary Lou. They'd been married five years when the three brothers went north to join the Kansas Cavalry (USA), the Summer of 1863. (There is no indication they were ever in Kansas. They joined in Indian Territory and apparently served there and in Arkansas.) Hickman almost immediately came down with Small Pox and died (in October, I believe).

After the war the boys returned to Kaufman County. Henry, who had been a sergeant in the Cavalry, was appointed Reconstruction-era sheriff by the appointed governor. The appointment was short-lived and was less than a positive experience for him.

It is not clear when Sarah died, but in 1869 James remarries, this time to his sister-in-law (Hickman's widow) and next-door neighbor, Mary Louise Andrews Moody.

It is clear that Celia Ann is the daughter of Hickman and Mary Lou since she is listed in the 1860 census as their daughter. It is also clear that William E (Bee) Moody is the off-spring of James and Mary Lou as well as all the following children. However, the parentage of James Albert Moody and Luella Moody are in question.

Rose, is there any possibility of Sarah Jones being related to your Jesse Lafayette Jones?

I have just started working on the Moody's and am trying to follow Mike and Louise on this. I have one thing that is on the Military sheet for Hickman Moody...He is listed on the 1860 Kaufman Co., TX Census in household 427/437 as H. Moody, age 24, born TN, Farmer, with wife Mary age 20 and daughter Celia A. age 1. I, also, have in my records that James A. and Sarah Jones Moody had two children. James Albert b.1861 and Luella-1861,adopted. L.(Luella)H. Moody married W.J. Knox 4/1/1880 in Kaufman Co., TX marriages. Mollie Louisa Moody, sister of James A. Moody, m. Jesse Lafayette Jones. They are my great grand parents. I am very interested in all that you have on the Moodys. I am so glad Mike has put this message board up for us all the exchange information. Thanks, Mike. I will contribute what I can.

Hi, Louise,

It may just be you and me at first but I am hoping to involve others.

Here are my attempts at responding to your points. Thanks for your interest--

Louise-- I have James Moody Jr son of James Moody (1837) being married to
a Mary Ann Joiner. I also have two separate boys by the name of
James and Albert Moody. No middle name. I am probably wrong in
the name thing but would you check the marriage again? You have
such better resourses than I have.

---Mike: I concluded that James and Albert were the same boy because each are listed in the census in various years at the right age but without the other being present. Specifically, James Albert is not listed as James until his father died ('79). Implication seems to be that as long as his father lived it was less confusing to call him by his middle-name "Albert" (his father's middle-name was Andrew). Kaufman County lists a marriage between a J A Moody and Mary Edman in 1887. However, there was another J A Moody living in the county about this time and the same age. Not conclusive.

Louise-- You say that Sara Jones 1857 was first wife of James 1837 Moody.
That she died during or after CW? No children I guess same as
with Mary Lou Andrews were there any chldren in her marriage to
Hickman? I have an Albert and an Annie that I have no Info on
just names as children of Mary Lou Andrews.

---Mike: Since Mary Lou Andrews married brothers it is difficult to decipher which child belongs to which couple: James/Sarah, James/Mary Lou and Hickman/Mary Lou. I have surmised that James named his son James, after himself, which meant that Luella was James' twin. Since they were born in 1861 that would make their mother Sarah. Hardly conclusive, however.

Louise--- There is a Lucinda Moody that you list as being the sister to
James, Henry and Hickman Moody, she marries a Jessie L Jones. in
1859. I don't have her listed at all when was she born and and
where? There is also a Rebecca Moody that marries a F M Vaughn
in 1868 you say she is James, Henry, and Hickman's sister. Also
a Sara Moody who marries an E P Metcalf 1868 as a sister to
them. I have Rebecca and Sara as children of Catherine and
Leonidas making them James, and Henry and Hickman's niece. I
also have a Sarah Francis Moody married to a John C Slaughter.

---Mike: Lucinda is listed in the 1850 (1 yr old) and 1860 census (10 yr old) as being the daughter of Wiliam and Celia Ann Moody. Kaufman County shows her marrying J H Metcalf, one of the neighboring Metcalf brothers. Rebecca is listed on the same censuses. Their sister Sarah, according to county records, married Metcalf's brother. More double cousins! Also note that the Moodys were neighbors of the Lindseys though I have no knowledge of any inter-marrying with them. Politically the Lindseys and the Moodys would have been at odds. However, the Moodys were politically at odds with most of their neighbors and it didn't keep the girls from marrying the neighbor boys. I have some interesting info about Jesse Lafayette Jones, who married Molly Louisa Moody concerning this specific area. Interested in hearing it?

Hi Mike,

This is good! Hope we get as much response to this one has we did to the Mackey one.

I have some questions about some of the the names on the list you sent.

I'll just go down the list that you sent no particular order.

I think that Catherine and Leonidas Moody could possibly been cousins not brother and sister. He is born in Texas according to the 1880 census and not that it matters much but he is 13 years younger than she is.

I have James Moody Jr son of James Moody (1837) being married to a Mary Ann Joiner. I also have two separate boys by the name of James and Albert Moody. No middle name. I am probably wrong in the name thing but would you check the marriage again? You have such better resourses than I have.

You say that Sara Jones 1857 was first wife of James 1837 Moody. That she died during or after CW? No children I guess same as with Mary Lou Andrews were there any chldren in her marriage to Hickman? I have an Albert and an Annie that I have no Info on just names as children of Mary Lou Andrews.

There is a Lucinda Moody that you list as being the sister to James Henry and Hickman Moody, she marries a Jessie L Jones. in 1859. I don't have her listed at all when was she born and and where? There is also a Rebecca Moody that marries a F M Vaughn in 1868 you say she is James, Henry, and Hickman's sister. Also a Sara Moody who marries an E P Metcalf 1868 as a sister to them. I have Rebecca and Sara as children of Catherine and Leonidas making them James, and Henry and Hickman's niece. I also have a Sarah Francis Moody married to a John C Slaughter.

I hope that this is clear to you for it is like mud to me lol the first time I have really looked at the Moody family it is difficult to get all of the straight in my head.

To start off our new Moody genealogy discussion board, I thought I would throw out a discussion starter.
Below is a reprint of the Kaufman County Moody marriages as listed at the County's website. I have included notations as I identify these individuals within the Moody clan. Do you have contrary, or additional, information to provide?

Moody, A Elizabeth J Allen 1874
Moody Adeline John Hamblen 1881 Adaline was daughter of Henry (1830) Moody
Moody, Annie M C Meek 1887
Moody C(atherine) Leonidas Moody 1871 This really appears to be a possible case of bro/sis
Moody, E M, Mrs. J A Baley 1904
Moody, Elizabeth J Gabriel Allen 1859
Moody, Harvey Evaline Sadberry 1874
Moody, Hickman Mary Lou Andrews 1857 Hickman (1835) Moody was first husband of Mary Lou Andrews and bro of James & Henry
Moody, I N Eliza Manley 1888
Moody J A Mary Edman 1887 James Albert Moody, son of James (1837) Moody
Moody, J H Levina Comegys 1902 Jesse Hickman Moody, son of James (1837) Moody
Moody, J W Mary Belle Triplett 1892
Moody, James Sarah Jones 1857 Sarah was first wife of James (1837) Moody. Died during or just after war.
Moody, James Mary Moody 1869 Widow Mary Lou Andrews Moody was James' 2nd wife. First husband was James' brother Hickman.
Moody, L H W J Knox 1880 Luella Moody, daughter of James (1837) Moody
Moody, Lou John M Moore 1903
Moody, (Mollie) Louisa Jessie L Jones 1859 Louisa was sister to James, Henry and Hickman Moody
Moody, Lucinda J H Metcalf 1867 Lucinda and her sister Sara married the Metcalf brothers who were neighbors of the Moodys
Moody, M J Isaac Parker 1885
Moody, Nancy Robert Mackey 1894 Nancy Jane Moody was daughter of James (1837) and my great-grandmother
Moody, Nora L W Warenskjold 1907 Nora was the daughter of William Washington Moody
Moody, R M J E Musgraves 1896
Moody, Rebecca F M Vaughn 1872 Rebecca was sister of James, Henry and Hickman
Moody, Sara A E P Metcalf 1868 Also a sister of James, Henry and Hickman
Moody, Sarah Mrs. John (C) Slaughter 1896 Contrary to the use of "Mrs" in this listing, I'm pretty sure this was Sarah Francis, the daughter of James (1837). Mackey tradition says Slaughter was my g-grandfather's brother-in-law. Sarah died relatively young and Slaughter married second time to Hila Breeden and moved to Van Zandt County
Moody W E (Bee) Mollie Comegys 1901 Bee and Jesse H married Comegys sisters. Mollie died young and Bee, after being widowed for ten years, married a second time to Elmie Bolin.
Moody, W M L B Childress 1889
Moody, W W Bettie L Anderson 1877 William Washington Moody, son of Sheriff Henry (1830) Moody was married three times: Anderson, Cantrell and Flatt.
Moody, W W Mattie Cantrell 1886
Moody, William W Alice (Virginia) Flatt 1894

Mike Mackey