Yes, QuickTopic is a mini-mailing list, so that people like us can discuss things like this :)

If you register with the wiki, Patrick, I'll give you karma to see the area. Right now, it's only visible to the four of us. As other people join us, I can add them to the list for the area, until we are ready to go public.

* http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluenc...isplay/STRUTS2/Home

-Ted.

Ok, I submitted a copy of the proposal to the Struts committers.

Welcome to interesting times :)

-Ted.

So far, four other Struts committers have commented on the proposal (plus Don and myself), and all the comments have been positive. There are another five committers who are tracking Struts 1.3.x who haven't chimed in yet.

Some of the other committers are focussed on Shale right now, and might not feel a need to chime in on this.

Before we go any farther, we should confirm that there won't be any showstoppers with the paperwork.

Patrick and Jason should review the Apache software grant and confirm that it would be something you could execute in relation to the WebWork codebase.

* http://apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt

With other projects joining the ASF, there have been discussions on a public list authorizing an individual to execute the grant on behalf of the group. When the time comes, it might be helpful if Roger Oberg were part of that online discussion.

Please also confirm that you both have had a chance to review the ASF How it Works pages and the Apache Struts Charter.

* http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
* http://struts.apache.org/bylaws.html

All ASF committers must have a Contributor's License Agreement on file. Sometimes, there are conflicts with corporate IP agreements, so please be sure to review the CLA to see if there would be any problems when we get to that stage.

* http://apache.org/licenses/icla.txt

Patrick, Have you signed up for an account at

* http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluenc...isplay/STRUTS2/Home

I'd like to give you karma to access the space, but I don't see an account that looks like it's yours. Right now, the space is invisible unless you are "on the list".

-Ted.

Everything looks good in those documents.

I signed up to Confluence - sorry about the confusion. My username is plightbo.
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Just to follow up:

All the Struts committers seem to be on board now, either +1 or +0. We had an 11th hour addition to the code last week, but that is resolved now, and we might be able to roll 1.3.0 today, which I'd like to do before announcing this.

-Ted.

What was the breakdown of +1 vs. +0? Is there active support, or just apathy?

Several committers are focussed on Shale with JSF right now, which is where the +0s come from. The committers already working on Action Framework seem to be looking forward to working with the WebWork
technology, which is about seven. The discussions were not in the form of a vote, so it wouldn't be appropriate to talk in terms of a tally.
-Ted.

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A key aspect of the merger is to create migration tools and bridge classes to make it very easy for teams to migrate existing Struts applications to WebWork. Perhaps it would make more sense to first create the migration layer as
as an extension to WebWork in the Open Symphony repository. Then, when the migration layer is ready, and the WebWork codebase is otherwise stable, we could bring the whole enchilada into the Struts repository (via the Incubator).

I do have the time and energy to kickstart the Struts/WebWork migration tools, but I don't want us to put WebWork "on hold" while we create the tools. Once we have a working migration layer, the move to Struts could happen very quickly.

To kick off the merger, I would suggest that we nominate Patrick and Jason as Struts committers, and Don and Ted as WebWork committers. Then, I'd like to create "mirror" versions of the Struts MailReader application, demonstrating best practices for Struts Action 1.3.0 and WebWork 2.2, and use the MailReader as the first migration test case.

More about MailReader ...

* http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/x/PAM

-Ted.

Is anyone else besides Struts/WebWork committers allowed to take part in this discussion?

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I'd like to create "mirror" versions of the Struts MailReader application, demonstrating best practices for Struts Action 1.3.0 and WebWork 2.2, and use the MailReader as the first migration test case.
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What about Struts Dialogs implementation of MailReader? Will it be checked for compatibility by you or someone else, or should I do it myself and start crying wolf to bring back/retain needed Struts quirks? Or maybe I can rewrite Struts Dialogs for WebWork?
Umm... if I remember correctly, Jason did not like the idea of session-scoped inter-request data, when we had an argument on TSS over Redirect-after-Post pattern. Despite that this pattern is less relevant for ajaxified applications, it still makes a lot of sense for situations where client scripting is not allowed.

How about enriching the "classic" practice of pre- and post- actions with init-display-postback-reload approach a-la ASP.NET?

If you are volunteering to write the MailReader examples, go with the traditional approaches of both frameworks. After those are done, if you want to redo the Struts one to use Struts Dialogs, that would be valuable.
Don

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<< Or maybe I can rewrite Struts Dialogs for WebWork? >>

Yes, you might want to look into WebWork and see something like Struts Dialogs would be needed.

Trying to migrate the various MailReader examples, once we have migration tools, is an interesting idea. I do intend to try the tools against several of the Open Source Struts applications, such as the iBATIS JPetStore. XPlanner would be another likely suspect.

-Ted.

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