Weee, new page!

I call the couch!

Yay! Thankies to all!! very appreciated, really. turning 21 is hard. (Be warned, there's HORROR in that link)

Much luckies, Lav. I too have a paper due MONDAY about the Islam. daang.

If Mimi has the couch, then i call the polar bear rug! *sets flag on it*

That new Scarlet PU... is a total non sequitur. That's all I can say right now.

Happy (slightly belated) b-day, Zef!

Bill, would this thread's title happen to be a Discworld reference?

More StripperStory: http://www.fictionpress.com/read.php?storyid=2010088&chapter=4

I've decided to wait till it's finished to start editing. FORGIVE THE SHODDINESS.

Duhh... Happy couple o' days after birthday, Zef. No, wait, the Gaint Squid link was an early present! That's the ticket!

On Scarlet-- shouldn't that cop be securing the store? One bloody robber just inside the door doesn't mean no shotgun wielding buddies hanging out behind the corn flakes.

I'm TAINTED! i wrote a Gonterman-ish RANT! o.o

Negs:

Not unless Pratchett quotes the Talking Heads, too.

Bill sed:
Not unless Pratchett quotes the Talking Heads, too.

Wouldn't surprise me if he did. IIRC, he's quoted Queen and They Might Be Giants, and probably some other bands I wouldn't recognize since I'm music illiterate.

Edited by author 10-03-2005 09:22 PM
Hey, I like Japan! And vampires! Especially ones that look like Brad Pitt! Or Max Shreck.

Actually, I was talking to two of my friends the other day and we had this very same discussion. They're both taking Japanese, and they say their classes are filled with crazy anime fans like these guys: http://www.satyrnet.it/sailormoon/cosplay/34-754.jpg
(note to Bill: you're the one standing second in line)
One got pretty rage-ful about it and ranted quite extensively about "waste of life skills." Hee hee!

Davey begs for money some more.

That "what if" thing just reminds me of some old Marvel series my ex-boyfriend told me about. I don't remember much of what he said about it, but one of the more memorable issues was "What if Wolverine was lord of the vampires?" Which is, obviously, the one question everyone was wondering about.

I dunno, I remember weird things.

LaGrey:
Don't be a jerk!
I look a lot more like the 4th one.

Rabbit:
I'd buy a Davey-a-Day calendar! But I suppose that his will be 12 months of crap he's already shown, or that which should never have seen the light of day. And it'll cost $50.

I've bought some of those old Marvel "What Ifs?" from the 25 cent bin, and they're worth every penny. They never had the questions you might ask, such as "What if all this insanely advanced technology had been available in 1967, like it was to Reed Richards--wouldn't that have drastically altered every field of science on the planet?"
Instead it was "What if the Thing was made entirely out of hemorrhoids?"

I think there's nothing wrong with liking Japan. I love the food, their elevation of Cute to an artform and the Zen design aesthetics that dictate that everything must be pleasing to the eye. What separates someone who just likes Japanese stuff from an otakuish Japanophile is that the latter will not be swayed in their belief that EVERYTHING Japanese is superior to the Western/American equivalent. THAT'S when they start being insufferable jerks. As Zef pointed out, though, the Japanese are not quick to embrace you as one of their own, no matter how fluently you speak the language or even MARRYING a Japanese. You'll never get JP citizenship and you'll always be the gaijin.

Bill:I'd buy a Davey-a-Day calendar! But I suppose that his will be 12 months of crap he's already shown, or that which should never have seen the light of day.
Would you, Bill? I mean, seriously... WOULD you?
He'd have to pay ME before I'd display anything of his in my general vicinity.
No prizes for guessing what option *I* picked on that poll >:D
I've told him flat out that he's just not good enough for people to spend money on, but clearly it didn't sink in.
I like this speculation on what it'd look like, though ;)
I'm guessing badly-scanned pencil work, then shoddily printed out, photocopied and stapled together. Or it'd be a single picture with just one of those little 3-months-to-a-page calender charts under it.

Mimi:
Would you [buy], Bill? I mean, seriously... WOULD you?

Sure! At the dollar store.
What's wrong with buying 365 sheets of amusing toilet paper for a dollar?

As to Japan--interesting culture, but all other cultures are interesting from a great enough distance. I'm sure Iraq is VERY interesting. Interesting every SECOND.

But Japan looks like an ant farm to me. I'd go insane within an hour. Shit, I even hate the Mall. And Japan looks like a giant archipelago of MALL to me.
Anyone else get Peter Payne's J-list updates? He's a gaijin who loves it there. But even he says that the most important Japanese phrase to remember is, "The standing nail is always beaten down." If you stick out in any way, society will beat you down.
America had the 1950s. Bush's handlers are fitfully trying to enforce A New Fifties. Are you a PATRIOT, or a TERRORIST? Conform, fellow Patriots!
Japan's an entertaining place...but it ain't my dream home.
Currently, neither is America.

A chat thing you may or may not find amusing. Though Zef might feel somewhat validated.

*My buddy Zarla posts fanfics to a slash community, one of which is a parody of slash cliches. I’ve seen most of the fics already because I’ve been nosing around in her private temp file. She ALSO makes a remark about vampires being lame. ARGH! Leave the vampires alone people! They never did anything to anybody! I decide to plagiarize myself as well as Bill.*

Me: Hey, I like vampires! Especially ones that look like Brad Pitt! Or Max Shreck.

You know what's really lame? ZOMBIES. It's hard to be scared of something you can outrun, and even HARDER to be scared of something you can OUT-HOPSCOTCH.

Not all that stuff was in the temp file. Where were you hiding it? HOW MANY SECRET CACHES MUST I PLUNDER?

Haha, that's a great cliche right there. Use the word "plunder" to describe somebody buttsexx0ring Edgar.
 
Zarla: HEY I LIKE ZOMBIES >O
NOW WE MUST FIGHT TO THE DEATH

Hahahaha most of my little short scenelets I keep ta myself. I don't even throw em up in da temp folder most of da time. Otherwise, they end up in da CherryDoom file section. Two or three of em up there ended up there, I think. Little short ones. Most of em I hoarde ta myself tho and rabidly froth over while editing. MUST EDIT ARRGH

I also laughed fer like five minutes at plunder. THANK YOU I AM TOTALLY DOING THAT

Me: I STORME YOR CASTLE IN THE NAME OF VAMPYRE. YOR HEDE I SHALLE TAKE AS A WEDDING GIFTE FOR MY WELL-BELOVED. BY THE GRACE OF HYM MOSTE HYE IN HEVENE I STRIKE AT YOR ZOMBIE-LUSTING GULLETE AND

Oh god way too much midieval poetry.

The Sir Luigi and the Green Prince thing was birthed fully formed from my forehead when I read this in Sir Gawain and the Green Knight:

All colored green were this creature and his clothes.
He sported a very tight straight coat that stuck to his sides.
It would be much too tiring to tell even half the details
That were embroidered: the birds and the butterflies.

Gayest poem EVAR. No wonder JRR Tolkien was such a fan of it.

Bill: Heh, I thought you wouldn't remember the reference.

That's from back when Sailor Kitty was comparing all her friends to Sailor Moon characters, and said "Bill could be Taiki at a stretch." And Taiki turned out to be a guy with a long ponytail who could turn into a girl with the special attack Star Gentle Uterus.

The second one in line is Taiki. THAT'S WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE IN SAILOR KITTY'S HEAD.

BillWhat's wrong with buying 365 sheets of amusing toilet paper for a dollar?
Absolutely nothing, I agree. But I don't think I'd like the idea of Davey knowing that his characters have been places he couldn't even DREAM of going ;)

Mimi:

You just HAD to go there, didn't you.

Metaphorically speaking.

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
Redundant anyway, as several of his characters have already gone there - remember the Foxfire Adults Only message board? *shudder*

Okay, changing the subject, Bill's new link pic of the Dalek makes me giggle every time :D

Yeah, loving the Dancing Dalek. Very Terry Gilliam.

Edited by author 10-04-2005 02:08 PM
What separates someone who just likes Japanese stuff from an otakuish Japanophile is that the latter will not be swayed in their belief that EVERYTHING Japanese is superior to the Western/American equivalent.

Yes! yes! i forgot to mention this. Of course i'm not against liking Japanese stuff, as i said, i do it myself. but there's a clear distinction between liking the stuff and wanting to become part of it, which i what i was trying to say. and dang, yes, i forgot this point. Those people are insufferable. I also forgot to quote that Peter from jlist quote, (used to get the updates, 'till he started recycling them) In my defense, i wrote that at 6am, while my brain tried desperately to don't think about the islam project i ended up doing overnight and finished at the next 6am.

I've done a vampire rant (thus the reference to that on this rant), Lav. Nothin that would make anyone change their mind tho. specially if we´re thinking of the same Max Shreck. hope the link works -.-

Ok, i know most people here are down wit' their writin' and stuff, I'm just learning to, so i have a question for y'all. How valid is it for an author to just dang quote a lot of stuff? I was assigned to read a book that uses the whole 'I'm going to be like caine in Kung-fu' sequence of pulp fiction, just with its own characters. it just changed the names, but the dialogue is the same. the guy takes stuff from everywhere, from clockwork orange to mechs, to oompa loompas. and i'm wondering, is it fair? so davey has a CHANCE to suceed with his flagrant stealin'?

If by Max Shreck you mean this guy, then yeah. http://silentmoviemonsters.tripod.com/nosferatu.html

It's okay to steal so long as no one notices you're doin' it. For example my misandry story: http://www.fictionpress.com/read.php?storyid=1980704
is basically just Porphyria's Lover: http://www.bartleby.com/101/720.html

Dare to compare.

For a larf, try watching "Shadow of the Vampire" back-to-back with "Nostferatu". Note, despite almost a century of improved movie make-up technology, how infinitely scarier Max Schrek is than Willem Dafoe. Of COURSE he's a real vampire!

Zombies are very upsetting when in big bunches. A single zombie (unless it's an OOOOOOLd school voodoo one that's been told to put your arms on backwards) isn't that big a problem-- once you've identified it IS a problem. When there's big bunches of them, it's like having a carnivorous glacier in the backyard. EVENTUALLY, you're going to screw up and get et. Of course, there's the modern top-fueller nitro-buring zombies-- they're bad news in any quantity.

...maybe I think about zombies too much.

Bill-- bless 'ee for the Robot Lincoln thing. Every time I say it, people just look at me funny. In the wrong way.

Ernst:
Try using my other fave "Muppets Tonight" quote, and randomly yell "OH, my medieval BUTTOCKS!!"

How come Muppets Tonight isn't on DVD? Or The Tick?

Bill: I heard Bush's declaration on wanting to use the Army to solve the problem of a nationwide epidemic on NPR yesterday (nothing says "compassion" like locking up infected people and denying them medical attention and comfort! Go elephants!). Of course, my Stupid Filter was working its hardest to block out his stuttering, pauses, and usual tripping over words, so I only heard bits and pieces. He might have mentioned a vaccine, but he was mostly concerned about plans for a quarantine.

I'm just waiting for some European country to take us over. I really am.

Bill:How come Muppets Tonight isn't on DVD?

Geez, give 'em time, Bill. They only JUST released Season One of the ORIGINAL Muppet Show. Long way to go, yet ;)

I want more of The Goodies. But then, I'm odd.

Ahh, Muppets Tonight. I have a few of those on videotape somewhere. I'm a big Muppet fan myself. I even made myself a Gonzo costume for Halloween one year.

You're right Bill, Peter Jackson might be entering his Dino de Laurentis Stage, as he's going to produce/ and or Direct: Halo: Combat Evolved. (from the Xbox)

Doesn't make me any less Excited about it, tho. smells like awesome.

Oh my gawd, there was a sweet teeny tiny kitten at work tonight (amidst the mass of Powerball buyers). I got to hold it and it went "Mew mew mew!" It was a stray, but the guy who brought it in was adopting it. I was so close to bringing it home and naming it Howl. But my two kitties are old and crusty, I don't think they'd like a wee little whippersnapper messing up their nap time.

God I hate Powerball.

Edited by author 10-06-2005 12:08 AM
I'd take a lil' kitten over a Powerball jackpot! At least since the odds of Getting a Cute Kitten haven't recently been raised to 146 million to 1.

I'll buy the occasional state Lotto ticket (odds: a mere 7M to 1). But 146M to 1? Yeah, the jackpots will soon hit the half-billion dollar range. But don't these people have even the SLIGHTEST grasp of the odds? Buying ONE ticket is fine. Dropping $50 twice a week...Congratualtions, you just changed your odds from 1 in 146,000,000 to 50 in 146,000,000! Yeah, that's a statistically significant shift in your favor.

When I buy a Lotto ticket, I know that I'm just paying $1 to fantasize for 3 days about not having to work for a living. One week, I won $66 and felt like a winner! Until I realized that over the years, I'd spent at least $66 on Lotto.

BTW, Rabbit, what store do you work in, if you also sell Powerball?
(edit: what type of store. The whole internet doesn't need to know exactly which one)

Spamusement:

I got the spam title "Are you spending too much on your medication?" and immediately thought "Of course not! I love my medication and want it to have the very best!"

Thank you and good night.

It's a convenient store. It's certainly not the best job I've ever had (that would be my sweet library job I had in school), but it's nearby and the owner is really nice, plus the vast majority of the customers aren't assholes. Most of what we sell is lottery and cigarettes. Unfortunately, the Powerball is really high right now, so everybody wants a ticket. As if it being high actually improves their chances. *eyeroll*

I would much rather have the kitten too. It was sooooooo cute! I'm wishing I had asked the guy if I could have it now, but my boys would be pissed.

Bill--

If you're looking for feathers, try crafts stores before pet shops. I can't think of a single pet shop that does sell them, or a single craft shop that doesn't. They'll probably be cheap in huge bags if you get the fluffy marabou kind.

Kiru Banzai: Do you really think loose maribou feathers are appropriate cat toys? choking hazard waiting to happen.

Bill said craft stores are no good, and I agree. Craft store feathers have been cleaned and bleached and dyed. Part of Byron's fascination is likely the bird aroma found on wild feathers. Stiff flight feathers and tail feathers are what's needed here.
Bill - try looking up specialist bird stores. Ones that deal in, say, parrots. I'm sure such stores don't SELL the feathers, they just sweep them up and throw them out with the trash. I'm sure they'd GIVE them to you if you asked.
The only concern I'd have is that the birds would shed these feathers onto the floors of their cages, where they'd get crapped on and mixed up with other litter. Might not be exactly sanitary, and some birds(like parrots) can carry serious deseases like psittacosis.

For reasons I don't care to detail, I went to the comic book store and flipped through Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, thinking "Oh, it can't possibly be as bad I as remember." I was right. IT WAS WORSE. Lordy. There was some stuff that almost made me laugh, like "I can't get caught! I could slaughter a whole police force if I wanted to! I could do that! Oh wait, I did do that." But that's like one of the funniest jokes in the whole book. WHAT'S THE DEAL?

Bleargh. I'd probably be less cranky if it wasn't lurking behind every corner of the universe, waiting to jump out at me.

rain_luong did this long post about whether or not there's free will, and I responded thusly:
"Bah!" sez I. I've got free will coming out the wazoo. Take my computer for instance. If I WANTED to, I could pick up a baseball bat and smash the bujeesus out of it. I'm not going to, cuz I like my computer, but I COULD. So you see? Free will.

My philosophical expertise is truly without limits.

HA! Yes, mr. Vazquez is truly shameless. It's insane how many people will actualy LIKE his stuff. ANY stuff, no matter how crappy. i mean, he gots a series from the FILLER of other comics. i think this topic's been touched here before?

It's heck of fun to remark that his fans must be stupid to like so much crap, and they totally miss on it.

Edited by author 10-07-2005 10:41 PM
Zef: It was by me! The comic keeps haunting me! It won't leave me alone! When did his legion of "don't call me a goth" goth followers defeat the Illuminati and take control of the one world government?

I think my exact words were "An unfunny version of Violence Man." That pretty much sums it up. Or maybe an unfunny version of Milk and Cheese. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...61-3032143?v=glance

Edited by author 10-08-2005 09:33 AM
I like Jhonen's comics, actually. JTHM gets into serious WTF? territory sometimes, but 'I feel Sick', 'Squee', 'Fillerbunny' and Invader Zim rock. I think you're trying to read a BIT too much seriousness into them. He's TOTALLY tongue-in-cheek.
Vazquez is totally aware that a significant number of his fans are batshit insane. They discust him just as much as they do the rest of us normal people. That's why he published the Bad Art Collection - a collection of the most ridiculously bad comics he could scrawl. It was to prove his fans were so stupid they would buy anything. And they did.
And made him more money. Sounds like win-win to me!

I find Milk and Cheese less funny than Vazquez, personally.

Edited by author 10-08-2005 09:29 AM
Okay, back to someone with GENUINELY no talent - da G MAN!

New Scarlet
The non-sequitur continues, now with even MORE incomprehensible speech and additional child molestation!
Scar:Y'don't hafta worry 'bot those mean ol'guys anymo'. The cops done got them now
Now she's sounding like some bad Mammy impression. Haaaaalp!
And her response to a scared child's understandable fear:
"I prefer my food cooked. Preferably from some questionable joint"
Wha?
Note the accent has COMPLETELY gone... and I'll be VERY disappointed if the next page doesn't show Scar trussing that little girl up for roasting.

And from the sketchbook, MORE Lost Boy Found sketches to satisfy some mythical insatiable demand!
First drawing of the Tink Clon-..I mean Firestorm.
That's not a pixie, that's Sailor Jupiter with wings! Next!
Note his description - he has such geeky masturbatory ambitions for these characters. TECHTV? 9_9

Wendy
Apparently the real one, not Adam's mother. She's Sailor Jupiter in a raggy nightie. Who runs off to Neverland rather than stay in war-torn London. Doesn't sound like famous English stoicism to me. Next!

Sister..*snigger*Sharon
Nuns may not wear veils much anymore, but they also tend to have their hair short and neat and not look like Sailor Jupiter in a black nightie.
I take it that's little Adam next to her in his oh-so-CUSTOMISED school uniform. The one that's supposed to look Western but instead looks like a Jnr Walmart clerk.
So kids at this school can't dress like sluts, but they CAN dress like goths... and the semi-Satanic/Pagan undertones the movement comes with.
Speaking of school sluts, here she is!
Teen Vixen aka Female Jnr Walmart clerk.
I think Davey has forgotten that she's a REAL PERSON.
Instead, we have a teen girl who supposedly practices celibacy but has ENORMOUS BOOBS she MUST display.
He knows what happens to pregnant teenagers, and he also doesn't want to hurt his girlfriend in any way.
They're called CONDOMS, man! *headdesk*
Not only is she quite the budding zoological prodigal,
.... I SO want to correct 'prodigal', anyone want to stop me? ;)
So, if Vix is still a virgin, where DID she learn that hand gesture?

Edit. Whoops, forgot one more: Lady Shazell. Y'know.. the 'Wiccian'?
'Oy, M'Boyos!' So she's WELSH now?
Lady Shazell, a Wiccian Romantic Adventure Series, is a remake of an older web comic like Scarlet PI, only with a better storyline, instead of a Sailor Moon meets Yu Yu Hakusko storyline, I settle for a purely Shojo romance story between Shazell, a practicing Pagan, and the Marine Brat Richard Kronos.
In other words, a ripped-off Oh! My Goddess storyline. 9_9
Not that I detected much SailorMoon or YYH in the older Nightwalkers, but I put that SOLELY down to Davey's inability to project any semblence of plot or character rather than any accidental NON-ripping off of major canons.

I really like Invader Zim, too. I think it's very funny. And more than that, it's got some of the best animation and music, like, ever. Even if you were to watch it with the voice track off, it would be worth your while. I even went to Kevin Manthei's site and downloaded all his music: http://www.kmmproductions.com/
Yowsa.

Huh. So JTHM made you laugh? I guess different people like different things. It was kind of like Ferd'nand for me. I'd get to the end and be like "What the hell? Is that supposed to be the joke?" so who knows. And the art is sooo ugly. It's like he's trying to go for some weird version of German Expressionism and not quite getting there. Unless he's drawing aliens and alien technology, at which point he magically becomes awesome. It's weird.

I just can't wait to see Gont's Fairy-Powered SUV. of course it had to be a SUV!

So, yeah, I wrote out a little plot summary for Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, which I will eventually use for evil. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2609452/1/

Meanwhile, Zarla is making plans to use this song for an evil flash video. http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0ORWM95QPWIV521A72P0NRGDWM

Believe me, I want to stop but I can't.

Ishouldbeworkingonthestripperstorywhat'swrongwithme

Am I the only human in the universe who can write in cursive? Me and a few fifth grade kids?

Edited by author 10-08-2005 05:28 PM
Totally. My handwriting SUCKS. amusingly, most of my classmates' does, too. Oh, wait, my english teacher writes in cursive too. i loathe it, i can't read it very well.

Zef: I KNEW IT. I'm one of the last humans who carries the cursive gene. I need to be cloned immediately.

I turned the misandry story in for fiction class. The Prof said, "Why is it called Misandry? Does she really hate men?" I tried to explain that it wasn't so much a "Grr. Men are evil" kind of misandry, it was more a "OMG snuff is hott" kind of misandry, but she didn't seem to understand. Sigh.

Who runs off to Neverland rather than stay in war-torn London.

If you read closely, she's fleeing WWI. Bloody zeppelins!

"If this gets made as a Disney movie..." the sky will split asunder, and Lo, four horsemen shall appear in the sky. With a bunch of pigs flying right beside them.

Where did Davey get this idea that Catholic schools are MORE liberal than public ones? Their school uniforms are customizable to the point that girls can dress like whores and kids can cosplay?

Final Fantasy Seven had some truly incredible music: http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7/ff7mid.html
Really, you can click on almost anything there and it’ll wow you (too bad it’s all MIDI format.)

A few of mine faves.

Aerith’s theme: http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7/sounds/midi/ff72.mid
Cid’s theme: http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7/sounds/midi/ff7cid.mid
Electric de Chocobo: http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7/sounds/midi/ff7choco.mid
Turk’s theme: http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7/sounds/midi/ff7_turk.mid
Wutai: http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7/sounds/midi/wutai.mid
One-Winged Angel: http://www.rpgamer.com/games/ff/ff7/sounds/midi/final.mid

When I made the joke in the Hsu n Chan fic about the eerie Latin boss fight chorus, I was of course referencing One-Winged Angel.

D-did Gonty just say that Wendy not only goes back to Neverland, but has sex with Peter? *whimper*

Seriously, what part of "never grows up" doesn't he understand?

LaGrey:

Do you have a page or journal that you could link to?
One that has all your updates and links and stuff?
You're kinda posting here a lot. Without anyone responding to your stuff.

I think Gont is redefining 'grown up' to mean himself, supposedly 'young at heart'. An outsider's perspective sees it, however, as 'acting like a moronic twelve-year-old'.
I dropped some...fairly FRANK comments on the Firestorm, Wendy and Shazell sketches. Especially with the WW1 blooper Bill mentioned ;). I mean KEE-rist, the guy seriously has no qualms about abandoning any pre-existing personality a character has and making her(and it's almost always a her) comform to his half-arsed 'story'.
I still can't believe he's actually calling this a serious novel. As Bill mentioned before, if he's doing it just as a cathartic exercise to purge some old demons, power to him. But serious publishing material? The only reason I haven't sicced Lost Boy Found on the GAFF board yet is that TMJake, a Gonterman cronie, posts there and knows me.
Nevertheless, the man's selective ignorance cannot go unpunished!

Edited by author 10-09-2005 07:43 AM
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
~ Adam Savage, Mythbuster and god.

"I reject reality and substitute my own!"
~ DVK, the nets most delusional cartoonist.

Davey's reality is cluttered, probably has ugly wallpaper and the vague smell of wet doghair.
With half-eaten cold 3-week-old ramen under the bed (OMG RAMEN THAT'S JAPANESE I'M SO KAKKOIIIII!!)

Gah. So... far... behind.

And so, I give up on timeliness. I respond only to Bill's question about the Tick on DVD-- you can make your own with downloads from myspleen.net, assuming you mean the three seasons of animated sidewaysness. I'd offer to send you a set off the ones I've made myself, but with Homeland Security so worried about copyright protection, that kind of cross-border illegitimacy worries me.

Somewhat. I may convince myself it's nothing, although they somehow convinced the RCMP to nab the head of the Marijauna Party for doing things here that are only illegal down there. Troubling sovereignty issue.

The pleasant live-action Tick can be had on DVD, of course.

Bill: Yeah, I am. I kind of ended up treating this place like a blog. Sorry.

Edited by author 10-09-2005 05:25 PM
LaGrey:
You should get a blog or an LJ. I'd read it. Hell, you'd update more than I do in the News!

Wow, Davey's not the thin-skinned loony he used to be. He even took the Tinkerbell comment as a compliment! ("Hmm, another source I can rip off!")

And he completely rewrote his original comment on Wendy. He did NOT say that a Disney movie of his bilge was highly unlikely. He even gave the name of the actress he wanted to play Wendy. And there was none of this history lesson about mustard gas. So, Mimi, you got to him.

EDIT:
Okay, maybe I was wrong about the Wendy comment. The casting choice was on the actual drawing. I sure don't remember reading about the mustard gas before Mimi commented there, though. And I always read his comments. Frequently that's where the funniest stuff is. Such as "I'm now at the start of Chapter 4, which will take place five years after Chapter 5." What, is he stealing from the movie Mememto now?

Wow. Byron certainly is a goofball. And I thought it was bad that my kitty used to get on top of the bookcase, where we kept stacks of old magazines, and slide them off onto the floor one by one. Or in clumps, depending on how mad he was. Of course, until your cats start trying to commit suicide by eating poisonous plants (that were intentionally kept on top of tall things that a sixteen-year-old cat really shouldn't have been able to jump on top of) they will never be able to compete with my first cat. Yes, the rumors are true. Calico cats are psychotic.

Yay! I don't mind that Lav posts a lot, as thanks to that FFVII music link now my cell has the 'Battle Win' jingle as a ringtone, JUST AS IN ADVENT CHILDREN! WOOOO!

Davey:("Hmm, another source I can rip off!")
9_9 I'm not gonna say anything to that. If the idiot wants to rip off SailorMoon again, it's more for us to laugh at. I'm actually stunned he knows who Kino Makoto is. I pegged him as someone who'd only have been bothered to watch the DiC dub, not the original Japanese...
Mind you, it's been a LONG time since I've read SM:AK, so I can't recall if he used 'Serena' or 'Usagi'. Eh, whuddever, bud...

I'm pretty sure the mustard gas reference was there from the beginning. Since I'd outright corrected him, if he was going to edit anything, he'd have deleted that paragraph altogether.
Why do his women all have the same hairstyle? Noone has curly hair in Davey's world. The man's perfected the female mullet, ya gotta give him that ;)

Bill: He even gave the name of the actress he wanted to play Wendy.
He did? Remember who it was, Bill?

btw, he's posted a more-or-less complete(for him) LBF Chapter 3. Basically a more complete version of Adam going to the school, being cosplayed as Pan and Vixen all-out molesting him. It's pretty nausteatingly bad, anyone interested in a repost?

Hey, Zef... check this out.

Yes, it's a terrible, spammish thing to do. At least Byron hasn't made a bug-sized hole in my outer casing... I think. Now I'm itchy.

I can't tell you how much the Comments and News cheer me up at times.

This weekend we had to make a mad dash to South Carolina to attend my grandmother's funeral (she passed away on the 5th). I'm slowly getting over the shock, but my worries rest more on my mother.

I think I'm going to start telling her about your cats, Bill. Although she deals with her own cat (and dog) antics, she loves hearing about other people's pets. I think she'd get a big kick out of Byron.

Remember who it was, Bill?

"If this becomes a Disney film, it would be Jane Darling to do this..."

I realize that Darling is the family name in the story, but that line only made sense to me as a casting choice.

Where's the new chapter?

I gathered he means Wendy's daughter.. he's just being his usual dense self and forgotten that Jane's surname would not be Darling (Wendy is married).
He says if it was to become a Disney film, he would want it to fit with Return to Neverland canon, probably taking place after it.

Here's the link to Ch.3. Again, Windows Word file.
The last paragraph about Vixen and Adam gives me the creeps. They're ELEVEN!

She got a real good look of his tights when he found that fuse box and climbed up to put the fuses in one by one. Vixen held his legs to steady him, and while he was screwing in fuses he wondered if she was enjoying herself a bit too much down there, with the way she was petting him. Not that he'd mind. If he would get cooties today, he'd like to get them from Vixen.

O_O

I think I need to go take a shower now. With bleach.

Told you so. >_<

Very very disturbing, considering the FIRST sentences of this chapter are:
“Shagging!?” Adam’s voice had some shock in it. “Mom, I’m still in the cootie stage.”
“And I’ve seen the Discovery Channel, Auntie,” Vixen added. “Do you know how much it makes me want to retch when they show what they do to something you need to do Number One—”


My my, the little girl doth protest her innocence TOO much, methinks!

I'm so sorry to hear that, Fistlekits. My condolences, and i hope your mom and you are ok soon... though kitties are powerful heal-all.

“Ai Carumba. That must suck big time. I’d feel for you, Adam, but I wouldn’t want that to happen to me. Seriously.”

ARRGH! It's said 'Ay Caramba!' I know that it could be hard to find info on spanish phrases, so if he's not going to do research, why not leave them out and cut the stereotype, like Bill suggested?

Ernst, saw them, but dang that'd be going a tad too far. (mind, i don't have any way to get one) Plus i'll lend my cell to a friend who'll cosplay as a Turk this 30th, so it'd cut the illusion. i groomed my beard so i'll cosplay as Ikari Gendo.

I'm at the univ's comp lab, and just now an alarm rang, and this dude walked real calm to the lab and asked us to evacuate, only to say just afterwards 'kidding!'. man, my university is SO awesome.

'kits: Sorry about your loss. I hope you and your mom are doing ok. We could start a kitty stories thread here if that would help.

Zefferson Alive! said:
Ernst, saw them, but dang that'd be going a tad too far. (mind, i don't have any way to get one) Plus i'll lend my cell to a friend who'll cosplay as a Turk this 30th, so it'd cut the illusion. i groomed my beard so i'll cosplay as Ikari Gendo.

Cool! Take pictures and put them on your DJ so that the rest of us can see too!

Thanks, guys. We're all doing better; I think the Gonterman stuff is working wonders.

Edited by author 10-11-2005 08:39 PM
I actually HAVE a Livejournal! That I never update! What's wrong with me?!

http://www.livejournal.com/users/moonlitwaters/

Maybe I'll start updating it now. Maybe.

Fistlekits: My condolences. I still remember how long it took my mom to recover when my grandmother died.

ARRGH! It's said 'Ay Caramba!'

He researched it! It's what BART SIMPSON SAYS.
I fully expect him to use "Ondelay, ondely, EEEE-HA!" too, as Speedy Gonzales is also Mexican.

I read that late enough last night that I don't remember a lot of it, but that Table of the Nerds thing was the highlight (of me rubbing my temples in disbelief). Note that the Japanese kid says "Adam-san." Because ALL foreigners pepper their English with random, easily-understood phrases from their native tongue. Funny--I have a Puerto Rican coworker, and she always says "yes" or "uh-huh" and not "si."
Man, I hate when hacks write that. But Davey doesn't create personalities, he writes mannerisms.

Edited by author 10-12-2005 01:07 AM
LaGrey:
Bookmarked!

You might try to treat it half as a blog--links and stuff. Trust me, sticking in a link is far easier than keeping a journal. Look at my page.

And there's this factor, too...
edit: That didn't refer to anyone here. It just struck me as funny.
edit edit: Well...the "pictures" bit could easily refer to me...

Edited by author 10-12-2005 07:09 AM
I have good kitty news.
The kitty I posted pics of some time ago is pregnant.
I am not sure when she will have them, but she waddles and looks like she is about to burst!
Pics will be posted when she has them, I have a digital camera now so the quality should be better.
Now I just have to find 4 or 5 people who want a cute baby kitty.

PS I am Gonzo.

Edited by author 10-12-2005 10:19 AM
Steve: Aww! Believe me, it'll be hard to let go of the little tykes, so enjoy it while you can, and take lots of pictures while they're growing up.

EDIT: And try to resist naming them. I did that with the kittens born in South Carolina this summer and now I get slightly weepy when I think about them (Mom had to give them away, but they went to good homes).

Steve quoth:I am Gonzo

Mind how you sleep, then. I understand getting the kinks out of your nose can be a real trial ;-)

Are we working up to a point where interests merge and Zef, in a fit of appropriate patriotic rage, uses his cosplay skills to hunt down Gontler for his ham-fisted insults to Mexico and its diverse inhabitants? 'Cuz if we are, I really want to make sure someone is taking pictures. And to testify in Zef's defence at the trial-- I have to believe "unbearable provocation" is a valid plea in the US.

Steve: The writer or the muppet?

I'll gladly take a cute baby kitty. Can you mail me one?

Wow, I came here all ready to complain about Powerball, but Bill did it for me. I didn't have to deal with anybody nearly that bad, though I did feel like beating a few people to death with their lottery tickets. Which would have taken a very long time, but been worth it.

It seems like a really bad idea to put lottery in a place that sells liquor. Kind of like when there used to be a gun store next to my convenient store.

It seems like a really bad idea to put lottery in a place that sells liquor.

Nah. The clientele doesn't spill over that much. But--YAH! We waste all this time on people we make a NICKEL on, while people we make dollars on have to wait. Sometimes. We don't give the lotto slags precedence over the real customers.

On the east coast, they're called convenience stores, not convenient stores. And since the sun rises 3 hours earlier here...Obviously, we invented them first!
(/ripping off SCTV's "Canadian Thanksgiving" skit)

Steve: Awww... kitties a'comin' ^-^
keep us all posted.
..and get that cat desexed after her litter, or you'll be gettting this a LOT.

Edited by author 10-13-2005 07:31 AM
and get that cat desexed after her litter

Yeah, I believe the correct amount of time before splaying is 6 weeks after the litter. I would have had her done earlier but I was on workers compensation, with my back. Money was way more than tight back then. A salary lifestyle on a minimum wage does not quite work out mathematically.

I will let everyone know when she blows. Which, looking at her, should be any day now.

Rabbit: The Gonzo reference was related to my meeting the criteria of the comic Bill posted. You may have missed the angst filled 'My Life Sucks' post I made. I wish I framed it and hadn't posted it at the same time. It was that bad it was good. I was going through a pretty rough point. I also posted many kitty pics of Little Mother who is about to spawn. To answer your question it was the muppet, I like to blow shit up!

Do I need my own blog? ;-)

Edit: just to flesh this out some more o_0

FK: I do not intend to name them, I got the kitten for my daughter. She has since been moved 8 hours away by my ex (the f'in bitch). Hence my 'My Life Sucks' post. I am trying to be as neutral as I can regarding the kittens. I just hope we can find enough (good) homes for them. If I have to keep any, it will be only one.

Sorry Rabbit, I cannot mail you one, quarantine rules are very tough on our island.

I didn't have to deal with anybody nearly that bad, though I did feel like beating a few people to death with their lottery tickets. Which would have taken a very long time, but been worth it.

Maybe administering papercuts will speed up the process.

uses his cosplay skills to hunt down Gontler for his ham-fisted insults to Mexico and its diverse inhabitants?

Whuh? cosplay skills? this'd only be the second time i'd do so... I AM kinda waiting to see what other terribly stereotypical thing Gont will come up with, though.

I don't ownz a digicam anymore, but i'll try to get pics, even if there's no Gonter-Huntin' going on.

Fistlekits said:
Maybe administering papercuts will speed up the process.

Excellent idea! I'll have to try that one tomorrow when I work, since no one hit the Powerball last night. Not that I expected anyone to, with those odds. *weeps*

SteveM said:
Sorry Rabbit, I cannot mail you one, quarantine rules are very tough on our island.

Are you saying that I should be prepared to smuggle one out of the country?

Once Powerball jackoffpots start regularly reaching the half-billion mark, a lot of people are going to catch on that it's a just a scam.
GOD I HOPE.

Steve, I ALMOST typed out the other night 'Oooh, kittens. Hey, we're in the same town, we'll take one!'
But then I remembered I was quite drunk at the time, and life-adopting decisions are perhaps best saved for sober ;)

We want to get pets, it's just a not-being-at-home-a-lot thing that's holding us back a bit. Kind of unfair to get a kit and then leave it at home all day while we work.
Ah well... some day.

(/ripping off SCTV's "Canadian Thanksgiving" skit)

Oh, right! Happy last Monday, everyone. I was too stupid with turkey to remember unprompted.

I think I've figured out the elderly objection to the so-called "free delivery"-- even if it's delivered, you STILL have to pay for the booze. Terrible false advertising.

The lesson to the whole seniors shenanigans; for the love of you brain, keep learning new stuff. Brains work better when run frequently! Look at Linus Pauling-- a little wierd about vitamin C, but not a lot of tedious doddering before expiration.

Davey's taking the rest of the month off .
Scarlet celebrates by relaxing into a big missapen black lump.

HA, I KNEW it! He has Asperger's. We have official diagnosis, people.
'With the need to write my stories and draw my comics as strong as it is, I feel that I(sic) place where I can stretch out and do my work is in order'
Well, look, if he can get into his own place and feel a lot happier, power to him. If drawing comics and writing stories makes him happy, more power to him. You can be as crap as you like if it's just for your own amusement.
However - thinking that there's a demand for his stuff and honestly believing he's going to make a living at this... nah, still reserve the right to mock.

While Davey does have some Asperger-like symptoms, I'd like to know from where his diagnosis came. His doctor, his group home supervisors, or an internet quiz? "I think I have ASPBERGER'S! It's this disease I just heard of, it turns you into Bill Gates! I'm gonna be a rich genius!"

It's true we don't know the source of this diagnosis. I think if it were self-diagnosed, Davey would have mentioned it LONG ago (and not shut up about it like he does with his bullied past) and made it a key feature of Adam.
It sounds a bit to me like something his councellors or doctor might have done, but Davey himself only half really believes it. He's got some classic Asperger's traits, but he's rather extroverted for an Aspie - most literature says they're often withdrawn.
He *definitely* doesn't have the high-functioning autism, though. Unless egomania counts ;)
Literature should see if Aspies come out of their shell when unleashed on the Net(as opposed to self-diagnosed attention-whore Aspies ie 'Internet Asperger's') ;). It sounds like his actual life is pretty dull, but he clearly feels he is 'someone' on the Net.

WTH is that pointy thing the foxbot's clutching? I daren't even make guesses....

Say, Bill-- you haven't mentioned the weather in News of late, and various news outlets up here think you local weather is very news worthy. Your apartment's not ground-level, right? A foot of rain in a week is nothing to sniff at.

I have a vague memory of Davey mentioning his Asperger's diagnosis before. My mom's dealt with a couple of them before, I'll have to ask her about it. As far as I know, it's a high-functioning form of autism. But I was under the impression that people with that diagnosis tended to be really smart. Like, almost genius smart. They call them "little professors" sometimes because of the way they spout out information. Somehow I can't see Davey being a genius anywhere outside of his own mind.

Why does Scarlet have an oar?

Maybe the D-man doesn't know all the details of what he's been diagnosed with. (which would give weight to Mimi's theory of him only-half believing it) Otherwise he'd be all "I AM AN ASPIE! I AM TEH SMART BUT ONLY ON NARROW INTERESTS!" "THIS IS WHY I WAS BULLIED AND WHY I WRITE THAT ADAM IS A SUPER GENIUS! LIKE ME!"

Some stuff matches, but who knows. if you disregard the physical symptoms which are the only things that are indeed different from people in one stage or another, Asperger's sounds a bit too much like pop psychobabble to me, just like OCD.

*goes to check that the car is still indeed closed, but not before checking he's still got his wallet in his pocket*

Oh, yeah, i know some of you read SA, so i didn't mention it for a while (It was a non-awful ALOD) but man, have you read this? It's oddly awesome. (read from the beginning)

Edited by author 10-15-2005 10:56 PM
you haven't mentioned the weather in News of late

It's been only an annoyance. Until today. Details will follow, as I don't feel like updating tonight.

Glad I'm not the coworker who chose this week for her vacation...

edit: Your apartment's not ground-level, right?

It's not an apartment, it's a CONDO! I'm not Daveykins here!
(Although $25 a week rent would be sweet)

Asperger's sounds a bit too much like pop psychobabble to me, just like OCD.

Hey, I have OCD, too! Although it's a minor case...

*goes to check that the car is still indeed closed, but not before checking he's still got his wallet in his pocket*

Ooo, that reminds me, I gotta sharpen all of my drawing pencils to an exact point while making sure that they're of equal length, and then categorize them according to brand name, color, and number of teeth marks.

Well, i haven't been diagnosed, so i could have just an insane amount of anxiety, as i do minor OCD things, like checking locks all the time, and making sure i haven't dropped anything i'm carrying. (often returning to locations i've been in just to check) If you're more obsessed about stuff being perfect and tidy, then it might be more of Obsessive compusive personality disorder, it's not the same thing. my room's a mess.

I was diagnosed with mild OCD when I was about 14. Turned out it was a family thing. It was really bad back when I was a little kid and a teen, but it's nothing that anyone's worried about now. In fact, if you hung around me, you'd probably never know that I had OCD.

I do the "constantly checking I haven't left anything behind" thing, too. I also have the habit of obsessing over certain thoughts, which one doctor thought led to my depression. Half the time, though, these thoughts are story ideas...

My room's always a mess, too. I once read a book that stated that really creative people are very messy. So my unmade bed is a testament to my creativity! It's not a sign that I'm a slob!

Okay, maybe it's both...

Edited by author 10-16-2005 09:05 PM
It'd seem that mental stuff runs in families, as most of my family's neurotic in one way or another, thanks mostly to the matriachy system we have and that the matriarch, my grandma, is way neurotic. grandpa's blessed to be almost deaf, but it only worsens her. it's amusing when seen at a distance.

I wonder if i have the same obsession with thoughts too. though it's been a time since i've let anything depress me.

I had read that thing about messy rooms, and thinking about it, it's probably true. I'm sure Bill would agree. X3

Oh yeah, Bill, had you seen This? I'm not sure if it's a joke.. though i'm sure anyone with a slight photoshop ability (IE ME) could do something like that for far less (IE Nothing) Interested? XD

I keep a tidy house and can't stand it when things get chaotically messy.... *GASP*!
I'm a traitor and going to be stripped of my artist's card now, aren't I? *hangs head*

I wouldn't call it OCD-type cleanliness obsession, I just like to be organised and efficient. Plus, coming from a medical family, I've had clean=healthy drummed into me from birth *shrug*

Bill-- It's not an apartment, it's a CONDO! I'm not Daveykins here!

oop! All the talk of shared walls and communal storage areas confused me. Condos confuse me anyway-- you buy it AND pay rent? Well, "condo fees", but still...?!? (This is your cue to say something like, "Have fun shovelling snow, shovel-boy!")

Zef-- I'm not sure if it's a joke..

Horrible. If it's not a joke, I wager there's some well-decorated military folks that will want a serious word about the use of their torso image. Espcially the lower-right Green Beret; one of those guys with THAT MANY medals must have some definite views on having his head replaced.

I'm an artist and a complete slob too, plus I've got all those lovely neuroses that come with being a creative type. But my former roommate was even more creative than me and she was a complete neat freak. For awhile she refused to use the dishwasher because it was like cheating.

I think it's just a matter of what works for each individual. If I could find a system to keep things tidy and help me work, I'd stick to it obsessively too.

Complete joygasm!

I'm one of the thousands of Emperor's New Groove fans, and was pretty sure that there would never be a sequel (I didn't see a lot of merchandise, so surmised that Disney had no future plans).

Oohhh, but I see this now. Sure, it's direct-to-video, but not all DTV movies suck (look at the Aladdin movies).

Pleasepleaseplease be a good movie...

(In any case, I'll get to hear David Spade... aw, stop your groaning.)

Oh yes, the Kronk Movie.
We wanted that one, since it looks like it's going to be pretty funny, but it went to one of the sweatshops. So don't expect the animation to be crash-hot, but I hope the script holds up.

Edited by author 10-18-2005 10:44 PM
Hey, I'll watch that!

Kronk was the funniest character in that movie, and that's saying something. He was a really unique character. Usually the "funny henchman" is a bumbling dimwit, but he was...Kronk.

Hey, I'll believe Earth is hollow if it means there are DINOSAURS inside! even if some of the pterodactyls evolved and got mind-control powers.

Horrible. If it's not a joke, I wager there's some well-decorated military folks that will want a serious word about the use of their torso image.

I hadn't thought about that. But yes, it must be terrible to have your head replaced for a Dog's, of all things. And the photoshopping itself is so so bad that it only adds insult to injury.

Its very odd to read the weather you have and have very simular weather now. I recently (read 2 months ago) moved from oh so sunny socal to NYC. THE RAIN IS SCARY.

NEW PERSON!!! O_O RUN!


No really, welcome! Rain is fun to run in and to walk back from school in! then you're drenched and have to stay that way on the two hour ride! it's fun, seriously!

Zef:
I don't consider St. Gally a "new person"--I think you just missed out becoming the official InExOb SAINT when Geocities ate a bunch of Obs, and he was the first to inform me about a little-known thing 5 years ago called "Google Cache."

Didn't I make you "InExOb Pope" when you suggested it an hour later?

I'm not sure. I'm too busy looking for images of you two in grilled cheese sammitches...

I don't think you did. specially since i learnt of the whole Google cache thing from reading about the obs trouble, so i couldn't have possibly suggested it...

Edited by author 10-19-2005 12:38 AM
Didn't I also wear a dress made of 15 differently-dyed multi-colored live ferrets to our prom? Which was held in the canals of Mars?
Or am I misremembering?
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that my date's name was WHUH?

Ohhh, it was you! remember when that guy with the Nacho Sombrero fell in the toad pool and all of them exploded?

Oh yes, the Kronk Movie.
We wanted that one, since it looks like it's going to be pretty funny, but it went to one of the sweatshops. So don't expect the animation to be crash-hot, but I hope the script holds up.

Man, sorry to hear about that, Mimi. I was hoping that we'd get to see your work in this one.

That would have been cooler than any "bonus feature."

The Kronk movie, oh my. I'm definitely going to have to see THAT. I have an excessive amount of affection for The Emperor's New Groove. EXCESSIVE. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to sing the llama song.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to sing the llama song.

I've been searching for my ENG soundtrack for about a week now!

Oh, well. I'll settle for glomming my Pacha, Yzma, Human Kuzco, and Llama Kuzco plushies.

(Embarrassing side note: At one time I considered writing a fanfic series for ENG. Fortunately, the project never came to light; it would have been too time-consuming... and probably never would have captured the spirit of the movie.)

Edited by author 10-20-2005 12:42 AM
My favorite lines from ENG:

Kronk: "Squeaky, uh, squeak, squeaker, squeakin'."

Yzma: "MWAH-HAHAHAH! Wait--Is that my voice? Is that *my* voice?!"

edit: Hmm, and they both involve talking to/with animals.
Do I need to get out more?
(nah!)

*reads Bill's PB rant*
*applauds*

Man, the singles ticket thing drives me crazy. As does the people who want a quick pick off of each machine (We have two lotto machines, and naturally they're at opposite ends of the counter. So you have to walk all the way over there, wait til the other cashier is done, print it out, and walk back to ring it up). And the people who won't take a ticekt that was printed earlier. One lady insisted on me printing out a new ticket, rather than the one I had sitting around, because she was "feeling lucky!" I just mentally banged my head on the counter and printed it up for her, rather than suggest that maybe she was lucky because she was going to get this pre-printed ticket. I think her head would have exploded.

P.S. Kronk rocks. Actually, Patrick Warburton just rocks period.

Dumb AND tone-deaf.

I am SO glad I was unconscious for this.

Kuzco: It's a good thing you're not a big, fat guy or this would be really difficult.

And Yzma's line about "cruel irony?" Just priceless.

Bill, I remember telling you about the cached pages on Google, and I believe the Wayback Machine as well, when the InExOb went poop. I didn't want that site to disappear!

Mimi:
Huh?

Negs:
Yes, that you did. But Gally gets the cookie for being the first to tell me.

Bill: Kuzko line about Kronk singing his own theme music, see afore-mentioned movie.

Framed piccie looks spiffy keen, Bill. Mattes make artwork look so classy :)

FEETS! Big grey feets! *squee*

Mmm, cookie. Mmm. *adjusts her saint halo*

yah, I've been reading this page for a very long time. But I am one of natures lurkers. *G*

BACK INTO THE MIST WITH ME.

Prodigious cat tree, Bill. On lottery, you left out the tedious bastard that's buying 7000 tickets for the gang at the old-age home, but isn't quite sure how. I don't sell 'em, but I do buy stuff in places where they're sold.

Kitty kitty kitties! wah!
Oh, by the by, if Miss Killsie's belly-balding continues, you might want to take her to the vet. Our cat did that the first winter we had him, and it turned out he had a mild mold allergy. A quick shot fixed him right up, though, and he's never had a problem again.

Kitty pics! Yay! *dance of happy kitty pics*

Negs:

Ebert don't like him no DOOM movie.

He's never played the game, and clearly doesn't get it when "there is a lengthy point-of-view shot looking forward over the barrel of a large weapon as it tracks the corridors of the research station. Monsters jump out from behind things and are blasted to death, in a sequence that abandons all attempts at character and dialogue and uncannily resembles a video game."
Well, yeah, I think that's the point. But I also think I'll pass on this cinematic experience. Why couldn't they have filmed "DOOM: The Comic Book" instead? You are huge! You have huge guts!!

That cats=psychotic tweakers thing left out the moment where your roommate happily climbs into bed next to you and snuggles in, then twenty minutes later starts barfing. >.<

I just saw the DOOM movie today. It was everything I expected it to be: violent, cheezy, meatheaded, game-referencing fun with a minimal story in there to glue the carnage together. Ebert makes a lot of valid points, and I have a lot more to criticize about the movie (in my LJ entry, in fact) but he does make one big error. The monsters have not survived on the airless world; they are mutated humans. Don't know how Ebert managed to miss that, as it was one of the major plot points.

I've been playing DOOM since the first game was current, so I enjoyed the movie, and I loved the first-person berserker sequence. I laughed out loud when I saw the Hell Knight take one look into the camera, then turn and run like hell. What disappointed me most is 1) no barrel blasts, 2) no Arlene Sanders and Flynn Taggart, and 3) this seemed to be based off "Knee Deep In The Dead," the shareware version of the original DOOM, because it completely lacked any of the really cool monsters. No Cyberdemon? What the BFG? The science in this was cartoony and flaky enough that they could have found a way to Tetsuo The Rock into a 20-foot-tall monster with a rocket launcher attached to one arm.

Why Davey put this chatlog up I dunno, but it's worth the chuckle. Notice how he blocks the guy the instant he realizes he's not a Davey-worshipper--he doesn't even try to fight back.
If this happens so often, why does Davey put his IM ID up?

oh yeah, I read that. I love how the so-called 'troll' starts off acting like a brain-dead 'you rock, man' fan and then suddenly out comes the cutting wit at the end. Very slick, I thought.
Yeah, Davey's response is a hoot. The other person makes a very very good point, but to Davey it's all 'TROLL! BLOCK!'

Bill, I have wondered that myself for a long time. I never make my chat usernames public, mostly because I don't WANT to converse with random strangers. Davey's only making himself easier for the mockers to find.

Perhaps the reason Gont's been in assisted living is because he keeps taping "Kick Me" signs to his own back, or shouting "Me love da Klan" in exactly the wrong neighbourhoods. Any attention is good attention, right?

...and did anyone notice how relatively syntaxically and spellingologically correct his MESSAGING was? The very essense of 'dashing off a note', and it's better written than his comix?!

On DOOM-- Man, I get a headache not controlling the first-person view on a wee monitor. Giant-sized is like to make my head go boom. On his TV show, Ebert and non-Siskel were mentioning this sort of thing as one of the many reasons to avoid it-- "Hey, Paw! Watch me play this game!"

Ebert and non-Siskel were mentioning this sort of thing

Not-Siskel had the best line about the "POV with BFG" sequence: "Nothing's more frustrating than watching someone else play a video game...It's like someone putting a big meal in front of you and saying, 'Now watch me eat this!'"

Re: the Fox guy....not quite as bad, but I was equally unimpressed by a canidate by the name of Broom's TV spot with him wielding his name sake and spouting his slogan "a new Broom sweeps clean".

I think he didn't win.

Ernst:..and did anyone notice how relatively syntaxically and spellingologically correct his MESSAGING was? The very essense of 'dashing off a note', and it's better written than his comix?!
Yeah... I still have a half-theory that Gont is a perfectly normal, intelligent person who's been taking us all for a ride all these years ;)
But then, most of his writing in that chat were his standard 'all critics should die in horrible painful ways'(what the hell was all that about slamming someone's head into a desk and ramming their spinal cord with a pencil?? Ick). He's probably spewed the same lines out so often he can type them correctly without thinking.

but to Davey it's all 'TROLL! BLOCK!'

I am so tempted to go and flame his board just to get blocked. And then come back with a 'I know how to use an anonymous proxy - so block my IP until you are blue in the face, fuck-bot boy!'

But that would be nasty and I would never do something like that ;)

He's probably spewed the same lines out so often he can type them correctly without thinking.

I envisage a Davey IM with macro keys in play;

<F1> Eisner sux.
<F2> Disney will steal the rights to my work.
<F3> Bush RULES !!!!eleventy one!!!
<F4> Microsoft are the suxor. Open source rulez, but only if you pay for it! Want a pirate copy?
<F5> My mouse can kick your mouses <edited for the children>.
<F6> MMtG are the best books ever written, if you don't like them then you are the luzer.
<F7> YOU ARE TEH TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<F8> WHAT - YOU TROLL <BLOCK>
<F9> TROLL <BLOCK>
<F10> <BLOCK> - What a troll. Hey I best remember to save that chat so I can post it on my website. I AM THE L33T.

Steve:I am so tempted to go and flame his board just to get blocked.
I've had the devil at my elbow sometimes too, Steve ;)

I wonder if he's noticed my Devart stats go through the roof with every LEGIT piece of Disney fanart I do? I wonder if it eats at him that I get the Mouse fans swooning while his GEN-Y ANIME DISNEY crap gets nothing? He DOES fave most of my Disney art and nothing I say seems to offend him, so I could be wrong and he just looks at it and goes 'duuuuh, pretty!'*shrug*
I'm still waiting for him to go 'Hey, let's art-swap, can you do Firestorm? I'll do MY version of Belle. She has a katana!..'

Hey, I'm allowed a schadenfreude moment, aren't I? ;)
I need a 'MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!' icon....

kisrael:

A few years ago, a candidate had a guy dressed as Lincoln waving at cars. Except that he was a Democrat, just like Lincoln wasn't. But I suppose if he sat in a wheelchair, no one would get that he was supposed to be FDR.

AWW, I'm late! well, let's see anyway.

...while wearing a full-body fox suit.

Heh. our PRESIDENT is named Fox, too. sadly he never resorted to that. the thing he did to beat 70 years of near imperialism by the other party (well, one of many) was to hire an smart publicist to point out, 'wouldn't it be rad to change? or are you too stupid?'

I agree with Ernst, about Gont, what he wants is to maximize his posibilities of getting praise and meeting fans, even if it'll just happen on his mind, he keeps hoping it'll happen, and as an obsessive compulsive, can't stand the posibility that, there could be a fan of his out there wanting to talk to him but doesn't have a way to, and this offsets the tiny voice in his mind that the only reason people will IM him is to mock.

Man, watching someone else eat can be fun! (not me, i'm scary) or at least watching someone drink milk and shoot it out of their nose. anyway, watching someone else play videogames IS fun. it depends on the person you're watching, i watch my cousins play games and they come up with the silliest, funniest things that would've never occurred to me.

Bill, on the cat pics, what's that row of action figures under the Space Ghost Figures? that Zorak figure must be AWWSOME!

Zifel:can't stand the posibility that, there could be a fan of his out there wanting to talk to him but doesn't have a way to,
Oh, totally, I agree. I think he spends more time tweaking the various messageing/wiki stuff on his site than adding actual new content. And every single facet of his life MUST be reported, lest there be a single fan who can't sleep not knowing whether his moving deposit has been accepted or not.
I imagine as soon as this move is complete (which he's making sound like a lunar mission. It's the packing that takes a while, an actual move doesn't take long at all, especially as he probably has assistance to do so.), he'll list his full new address online, too.
He's damn lucky that most Gonter-mockers seem content to keep their distance and just point and laugh behind his back.

Those who say watching someone else play video games is not fun has never gone into an arcade. Lots of games are just made to be watched by spectators, and lots of people do enjoy watching. DDR, PIU, and ITG are the examples that come to mind first, but I've seen people watching just about every other game, particularly when someone really good is at the controls.

Drawing buff muscly type bodies is not easy for me. The bod is okay - it being mostly a tracing - but the lighting is all over the place. (That's a base I'm going to use for a KiSS doll, and, yes, the finished version will indeed have a head.)

what's that row of action figures under the Space Ghost Figures? that Zorak figure must be AWWSOME!

ZORAK IS ALWAYS AWESOME!!!
I believe it's in his contract.

Those are Road Warrior figures. Greatest action movie TEH EVAR.
(Davey, am I 1337 now?)

Edited by author 10-25-2005 11:10 AM
Road Warrior-- BRILLIANT!
Mad Max-- Well, interesting in places.
Thunderdome-- Nuclear War?! That's unnecessary. And who's going to nuke Oz in a conflict over resources? If fuel is in such short supply, the Australians are trapped like marsupials anyway. (with nebulous apologies to the Australians present-- but that's the way that last dumb Mad Max movie effects me).

Negs-- you can't fool me! That's none other than The Tick!

Ernst - you're the second person to call him The Tick. Heh, not really! His skin is going to be gray. I'm working in blue because the shades are easier to distinguish, and as misdirection when I post previews.

Ah yes, it was a slow news day... FLASH! Bill Watterson STILL retired.
That's...news?
I can respect that the guy doesn't like media attention, but I find it a bit suss that he doesn't even interract with the comic community - as in his fellow peers. I think he's a recluse.

My C&H complete set is on its way from Amazon. Excited ^^

Well, this morning we had five new arrivals into our family.

KITTY PICS.

Sorry for the quality, still getting used to the camera.

Mother and kids

Kids from the front, the focus sux.

Kids from the back

More photos will appear as time permits.

Hope they brightened your day!

NEWBORN KITTY PICS!!

I could be hit by the campus shuttle today and I'd still be in a good mood--because I saw newborn kitty pics!

The cuteness...

those two bosses that you used to work for have more money than god.they could have paid you guys more so you didnt need to work extra hours in two different places. tha gal should have sued due to over worked and under paid.

DAAAAAAWWWWW *big stupid grin*

Kitties! Freshness dated :)

Babies! Cute fuzzy blind little babies! *cue repeated fangirlish squealings of CHOU KAWAIIIIII*

Kawaii indeed!

Bill Waterson-- without looking at the article, I wager what he's doing these days is a lot of rockin' & weepin' at all the "Calvin Urinates on {Insert Pointlessly Reviled Auto Maker Logo}" decals in the world.

Bill Oven-Free-- There's a surprising degree of parts interchangibility where burners are concerned. The '65 I had in the last place (I'll ever rent!) blew a burner on the stove in a similar fashion, and a replacement was easily found. I'd say go to the local GESCAN outlet, but since the last three letters mean "Canada", you probably don't have one.

Kitten pics!

I'll send my mother a link. Her cat recently supplied her with kittens, and she tells me *all* about them. She'll love it.

The kittens are cute, but what are you feeding them? That bowl looks like leftovers night at Hannibal Lecter's place.

I goddamn hate it when people take my artwork and alter it without my permission. That includes hideous coloring jobs. That's not coloring, it's defacement.

Edited by author 10-26-2005 09:21 PM
When i was younger i had a cute lil grey kittie. her maw was almost white. and i fed her chopped chicken liver. the blood made her look like the joker. it was awesome.

Ick, Negaduck, i feel your pain. ever seen fan colored manga scans, though? Jun Kobayashi would EXPLODE with anger at some i've seen.

Hah! I am a DRUID!

Edited by author 10-27-2005 12:59 AM
wineguy:
those two bosses that you used to work for have more money than god.they could have paid you guys more so you didnt need to work extra hours in two different places. tha gal should have sued due to over worked and under paid.

1) *I* have more money than God. He's GOD, what does he need money for? "JEHOVAH DESIRES--the greatest breakfast burrito ever!" And, bibbitty bobbity God, there it is, for free!

2) I myself worked 40 hours a week there, consistently. There were times when I worked more and didn't get compensated, but those were pretty rare.

3) Um, that's pretty much what she did. And got paid. The point of the anecdote is that they (supposedly) demanded the money back. She could've gone to the labor board, but I'm willing to bet that all that would've happened was that the owners would've been hit with another fine. She wouldn't've been given any more money. If they were harassing her and threatening to fire her, yes, maybe she should've gone to the Board. But even if they were, if I was her age, I would've just taken the money, quit, and looked for work elsewhere.

4) Who are you, anyway?

OMG, baby fuzzies! Combine that with the kitty pics on the News, and I am dead from cuteness. *dies*

Sorry 'bout your oven Bill. Maybe your appliances are kicking off the Machine Revolution?

Bill: The kittens are cute, but what are you feeding them?

I am not feeding the kittens anything. At that point they were less than 12 hours old. The are feeding off the Mother cat, as new born kitties should.
The bowl in question was the Mother cats food, it had been placed there about 30 minutes before the photo and contained the following goodies;

1) A chicken neck, skinless.
2) Several chicken breast tenders, that is the bit on the inside of the breast fillet.
3) Cat mince, I believe this consists of kangaroo and 'other meat'. Make your own call on what 'other meat' is, I am pretty sure you find it on the side of the road.

All in all a very respectable feed for someone who has just pumped 5 wet rats out her lower half.

BTW She ate it all.

New photos are a little hard to take at the moment, the kitties just want to feed.
I have 12 new ones and I will be transferring them to the laptop as soon as I post this.
Any good ones will be shared.

My oven element expoded like yours early this year.
They can be a little expensive but all you should need to do is unscrew any mounting brackets and then unplug what is left.
Take that with you to the spare parts place and they should be able to provide you with a new one.
I hope it works out, repair men will tripple the price.

More kitty pics.

I am too tired to tidy the links up, here they are raw;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/ste...ittens/PA270013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/ste...ittens/PA270012.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/ste...ittens/PA270011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/ste...ittens/PA270010.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/ste...ittens/PA270008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/ste...ittens/PA270001.jpg

Cat mince contains kangaroo meat?! How EXOTIC! Unless, I suppose, you live in a place crawling with 'roos.

I scored "Monk" on the silly D&D test. Judging by Zef's scores, this is pretty much the same as a druid with more willingness to hit things. How this sorts with getting mushy over teeny kittens, I can't say.

There is a controlled roo cull every year in australia. The meat goes either into pet food or onto the menus of some better restaurants *grin*

Got my Calvin & Hobbes 3-volume set yesterday. Oooooooooh... so lovelyyyyyy....
Weighs a TON, but sooooo lovelyyyyy....

Worth every cent, I recommend.

Waaaah, kittens are cuteness and mommy cat is very pretty. *squeals a bit more*

I'm apparently a mystic theurge(sp?).. which means very little to me seeing as how I don't role-play at all. But the picture was pretty. Incidentally, I also have an irregularly-updated blog in which I pretend to be a Heian court lady. www.xanga.com/Fal_chan Be warned, there are no pictures of cats. Yet.

The Urge? Isn't he in U2?

T.T Are you making fun of me? *gives you the sad-kitty face* *doesn't game AT ALL and was stupid and closed the window before she figured out how to spell it*

My wife scored "theurge" also. Since I stopped playing D&D in about 1989, it's a new one on me, too. Besides, if there's anything to make fun of in that post, it's Heian nobility-- can't eat in public because it's a bodily function!? LIGHTWEIGHTS! Sengoku Jidai rocks!

...and here's the point at which the failure of internet to render facial expression becomes too much for the joke to continue. Seriously, just came back from your blog-- tricky voice to write in (requisite but sincere golf applause).

bill you know who i am. i used to deliver to your store. i no longer work in the liquor field. i got hurt on the job so they fired me. you never really talk to me much when i delivered. oh and yes jason was (is) a moron. your postings are pretty good. i been reading it since 3 yrs ago. if you cant think of who i am i will let u know if you want me to. i think i know who the girl is that got the money but not sure. jill?

wineman:

Who did you deliver for?

Yep, Jill. They should've just said, "Well, we blew that one" and let the overtime thing be forgotten. Better to be out $7K than $7K and a hard worker.

And, yeah, I'm not the world's most talkative guy. That's what Shelley was there for. ;)

<<Ernst- Seriously, just came back from your blog-- tricky voice to write in >>

Yeah, and I totally suck at it. But it amuses me, and I figure that emo-ness sounds better in badly done pseudo-Heian prose than in "zomg my life sux" form. I'll probably get bored with it in a month or two, anyway. Unless something drastic happens and I actually develop a semblance of a life.

Bill: I've had that exact same conversation. "Sorry, we're out of the 100's, but we've got the shorts." "No, I want the 100's." "We're out of those." "You're out of them?" etc etc.

There's also the people who forget to tell you they asked for 100s. So you grab five packs of deathsticks for them, and they go, "Oh, I said 100's." Suuuuure you did.

This is just a pet peeve of mine, but it also annoys me when people say "I need such and such pack of cigarettes," or "I need fifty bajillion scratch off tickets." No, you *need* food and shelter. You *want* to waste your money on cigarettes and lottery tickets.

Rabbit:

Funny you should mention that. I have a co-worker who's turned off her HEAT because she can't "afford it." (Note: overnight temps in central CT are in the 20s--and it's STILL OCTOBER)

Yet she still spends $8 a day on numbers. That adds up, over the course of a month. In fact, she actually WON today!
$41.50. Do the math of what she won versus what she spent...

Hey guys, Gont's going to be offline for the next week while he moves. He gets modem access back on Nov 4th.

The temptation to spam his message board while he's not there... ooooo :)....

bill i used to work for cdi. your self and shelly never made my job hard and i thank you guys for that. speaking of shelly she always made me smile, shes great. i also agree that jill was very nice and also good to me too. i remeber seeing your kitty at the small store when you first got it.he was on the counter i said is he real cause it was sleeping and not moving an inch.

Interesting stuff about the absinthe, Bill. I'd heard that most commercial absinthe these days is made without the wormwood to avoid the hallucinogenic part and they just up the aniseed content. But if that distiller is right, I won't waste my time actually tasting the stuff ;)

i used to work for cdi

Ah. You had a tiger tattoo on your leg that could always be seen, as you wore shorts even in the winter. And if Jason was in the store, I'd point at my ass and we'd laugh over his little potty-training accident.

your self and shelly never made my job hard

...as opposed to Poopy Pants, who loved to piss people off for no reason. Remember how he'd demand that you fill out a credit for $1.56 for ONE case of empties? What a douche.

Lush that I am, I found the absinthe article FASCINATING. Now I need to get my people in Europe to send me a bottle of the Nouvelle-Orleans, from both historical and boozicological curiosity... or use the 12 years worth of Air Miles to get myself to it.

Amend that-- I *want* to get my people etc. It's the imprecision that's killing our language, innit?

Wow, there's a lot that goes into reviving a lost art like that. Big kudos to the guy profiled, yays for science \o/ Now, excuse me while I go see if anyone will buy me some absinthe....

There's a pseudo-absinthe available in the US called "Absente." My friend Scott bought it, slotted spoon and all, and said that it was the nastiest thing he'd ever drank.

I was crawling through deviantArt the other day when I came upon this silly little gem:

I'm pro-life and I (personally!) find feminists annoying. What I don't get is why people can't just agree to disagree about things. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong: it's just personal opinion.

Yes, it is her opinion and she has every right to it... but what's so annoying about women fighting for the right to be equal to men? In any case, I had a nice little chuckle.

By the way, I do consider myself a feminist of sorts.

Since I'm potentially looking at being forced to buy a new oven, is there a cheaper alternative? Toaster ovens, they're just big toasters, right? Incapable of baking anything substantial?

Straighta outta Something Awful's ALOD, here is Better Days, a comic that proves that not all Psycho-Furry-Republicans lack DRAWING talent. Now, writing talent, it seems all of them lack it.

(Also, i did go to the con dressed as Ikari. images and story soon, as i took a lousy 35mm cam with me and 've yet to develop the film. ooh, digicams, why have thou forsaken me?)

Bill: You could, um, build a fire? Toaster ovens are alright for stuff like mini pizzas, but I've never tried to really cook anything in my cheapo one.

Fistlekits: I've been callig myself a feminist since I was old enough to talk. I didn't realize it had any negative connotations until I got to the age where my friends were trying to impress boys with how non-threatening they were. I still don't get it. What's wrong with wanting to be treated equally?

Zef: That comic is...not so good. Not Gonterman bad, but sort of haha, this is supposed to be funny, right? bad. And I think there's like, one background in the entire thing. Maybe two, if I'm being generous.

Oh my gawd, I got a little farther in "Better Days, and I was completely wrong. It is awful, one hundred percent, Gonty-approved awful. The sexism, the racism, the sexualisation of minors...excuse me, I'm going to go beat my head in with a baseball bat.

You'll never get a dozen muffins in a toaster over, but generally speaking, if it's a bit of baking that will actually fit inside one, they do the business. I once baked a not-very-big cake in one. Woe betide he who loses the broiler pan's upper bit, tho'-- you don't want to try cooking meaty things without that.

Yesterday, I deposited a cheque into the bankamatrola. The little account status slip revealed that I had at that moment (noon of SUPER CREEPY FUN DAY!) $666.50, which made me smile.

Better Days... at first sight is doesn't seem so bad, but then... YAAARGH! Unless that 8th grader has been held back a lot, I don't wanna hear about any "fucking my brains out"!

Artistically speaking, it's not bad. It'd be twice a s good if the artist learned to draw more than one face.

Rabbit: What's wrong with wanting to be treated equally?

Beats the frick out of me why some women would oppose those who are fighting for their rights. Personally I like the concept of receiving pay equal to that of a man's.

I wish I had the power to drop-kick people back into time. Maybe some of these women would be happier back in the days when females were considered broodmares who possessed the mentality of a child.

Re "Better Days": I'm gonna head on home now so that I can boil my head and cleanse my mind of the awful, lifeless storylines and characters.

The art isn't too bad, though...

I will give 'Better Days' this over Gonty - at least the writer can string a coherent sentence together. And he makes fewer typos than Gont.
And the art's not too bad. Like most furry artists, they get the heads down pat, but the body construction's a bit wonky.

Rabbit: Feminism, like so many other things, can be taken too far, and that's when it gets a bad name. Women can be chauvanists as well as men. "Feminazis," I believe, is one term. Very, very few women have been like that, but they're the noisiest and thus the ones you hear about.

My mother had T-shirts that said "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle" and "Mieux que je connais les hommes, plus j'aime mon chat" (The more I know about men, the more I like my cat). "MCP" (Male Chauvanist Pig) was a regular part of her vocabulary, but I doubt she ever took a look at her own attitudes and considered that she might harbor a touch of chauvanism herself.

Yeah, there's always someone who's going to give anything a bad name. "Feminazis" is pretty obviously negative. Wht bothers me is that the term "feminist" is viewed as being equally bad. In other words, that a woman standing up for women is just as bad as a woman who hates men.

You have to read all of Better Days to get the full impact. Trust me. Gonty only wishes he could write this stuff.

Too bad I'm a reactionary feminazi. http://www.purplepussy.net/d/20030811.html

Edited by author 11-01-2005 08:22 PM
Just to add my 2 cents (2.35 cents Canadian!) to the whole "feminists" discussion we seem to have going on now (without actually reading the comic that started it, because that would require actual effort and I'm tired, dammit): I'm all for feminism, equal rights and equal pay, and all sorts of other things that go along with it. What I don't like is a tendency I've noticed in modern feminism. It seems to be trying to make women conform to the "supermom" ideal, implying that the modern liberated, educated woman can successfully balance what are essentially three full-time jobs (work outside of the home, child-rearing, and housekeeping). It also has a tendency to look down on women who choose to stay home after having children, sometimes implying that these women aren't sufficiently "feminist" and therefore... gah, I can't think of the word.

Anyway, I often feel like modern feminism is limiting women's choices, although not perhaps to the same extent as in the past. Perhaps I am ignorant, but I was under the impression that the original intent of feminism was to allow women to have a full range of choices in regards to their lives, rather than to try to force them into one choice. I'm exagerating here, I know, but... it just seems like this is the direction modern feminism is moving. I personally intend to homeschool any children I might have, which is really best done with at least one parent staying at home; it doesn't really matter which one, but it will most likely be me. By taking on this traditionally feminine role, am I being unfeminist and backwards and submitting to male dominance, or am I freely making my own choice? I certainly support women who choose to work outside the home. It seems like choices are what feminism ought to be about, and not simply replacing one very narrow definition of "female" with another.

De re feminism-- my mother-in-law was, in the '60's, one of the movers in an effort to amend the dress code at one of the crown corporations (gov't monopoly on electrics-- we're terribly lefty in this part of the world) to ALLOW women to dress in something other than a skirt. As a lot of the people in the office were women, and a lot of them had no means to get to work other than the bus, and since -40 up a skirt means misery I can't actually imagine, it seems a valid expression of feminism to me.

She's pretty damn angry at the young ladies of this modern age who view low-rise jeans and a really tight shirt as empowering, 'cuz it gives 'em the power to make boys stare.

Hungry-Man Dinner (TM)? Oh, Bill! It's not the FLAVOUR! It's the SIZE! I think my favourite is the full pound (454g) of fried chicken. 'Favourite' meaning, I like to stare at the box and wonder what would possess someone to cram that in their face, and thus their aorta.

When I hear 'feminism', I feel glad I work in an industry with no glass ceiling. Sure, comics are still traditional geek male territory and most comics written by women tend to get lumped in the 'chick comic' genre, but I've never encountered opposition for writing totally general readership comedy.
I reckon it's not that women are seen as incapable, it's more that women simply don't do it much.*shrug*

Lav: I used to read Purple Pussy a lot; it's my kinda junk. I like Dave Kelly's works, but not as much as Jeffrey Rowland's.

Personally, I believe that if a woman wants to stay at home and raise her children, she can and shouldn't be mocked. I don't see anything wrong with that. After all, my mom stayed home most of the time to raise my brother and me; I think she had only one part-time job while we were little.

I also see nothing wrong with a man staying home to raise kids. As long as they're mature, responsible, and treat the children right, I'm cool with anyone--male or female--being a stay-at-home parent.

At this point in my life, I'm still not sure if children will be a part of my future, but I will want to stay home and raise them if they ever come along. Dropping them off with a nanny seems... like distancing myself from them. (Of course, this excludes the occasions when I absolutely need to have someone else look after them, like if I have a family emergency or my husband and I need some time alone together.)

Interesting note: Joe Murray was lambasted once for not having "many positive female characters" in RML. His response was basically, "There aren't many positive male characters, either." That made me giggle.

BTW I believe the word "feminazi" was brain-farted into existence by Rush Limbaugh.

Joe Murray was lambasted once for not having "many positive female characters" in RML.

Didn't you see that MOP? it was so evil, playing with Spunky's heart! such a sick, sick, mop.

Didn't anybody else read the rest of Better Days? Not that the feminism topic isn't fascinating, I'm just concerned that I'm the only one that's suffered its horrors.

Zef: Oh, don't I know it! That little tart... but I'm so glad Spunky found happiness with that fire hydrant. She surely treated him better than that wild, white-haired she-demon.

Rabbit: AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!

I don't know whether to cry or vomit. Maybe I'll do both. After I've boiled my head again (who needs flesh, anyway? It's what's on the inside that counts).

re... Rabbit's findings.

O_O

I wonder if GAFF knows about this one?...

Edited by author 11-02-2005 04:23 PM
Rabbit, i'm slowly but surely trekking up the archives. It's got the gonterman seal of quality, it's so bad, you have to keep reading, like a train wreck you can't look away from. believe me, it gets worse.

Y'know what i'd like? to get gonty to look at it. i ownder what'd happen if gonty liked it so much that he'd decide to be 'inspired' (ie STEAL FROM) by it and start something similar? the posibilities! stuff so bad it would rip holes in the space-time fabric!

In non bad stuff, but even awesome, Elfen Lied ROCKS RAWKS. and hard. and i've only watched like 15 mins of the first ep!

Mimi: "When I hear 'feminism', I feel glad I work in an industry with no glass ceiling."

Heh, that's one of the reasons I'm doing the novel-writing thing. It's one of the few industries that not only doesn't have a glass ceiling, but is dominated by females. Not sure why that is, but it's true.

Funny how that goes, Lav.
All the good fanartists are male, all the best fanfic writers are usually women.
I'm talking professional-level talent here.

Zef:Y'know what i'd like? to get gonty to look at it.
When he reappears online and posts any glorious return to Devart, I might mention it to him ;)

When he reappears online and posts any glorious return to Devart, I might mention it to him ;)

We really need a MWA HA HA HA HA (evil laugh) emoticon!

Edited by author 11-03-2005 09:12 AM
I read all of "Better Days." There are some hideous low points, all right. And, funny thing, it seems they all involve minors and sex.

How old are the twins? You know, the ones that went to bed together? At the beginning of the comic they were about 10 or so. He wasn't much older when he was screwing the little hyena girl - well, vice versa. The author gives the reader no sense of the passage of time, and you can't gauge their ages by their behavior. Their sizes relative to the adults make me think that they're about 14 or 15 at the end.

Caught a pretty bad continuity goof. Lucy goes to bed with Randy, seemingly for the first time. All signs point to her not yet having been seduced (by him), or otherwise liking him well enough. Yet when she describes what happened to Fisk, she says that she "always" makes him wear a condom, and "last night was no different." Whoops.

I think it's safe to say that the author is much more fascinated by slutty kiddies than believable characterization.

One other thing I noticed: the characterizations of black and gay characters. Gays are simply weird, only appearing long enough for the author to show that they're gay so a "real character" can react with horror. Blacks - hyenas in this comic - are either ignorant (the receptionist who couldn't spell "Black"), criminals/child abusers, abused children who then "carry on" with agemates, or cock-watching lezzbo sympathizers (the nameless girl at the dance). The last was the least unsympathetic portrayal, and actually she doesn't match up too badly to Lucy, who goes to bed with a guy she hates just so she can cut his hair off afterwards. (Her notion of revenge needs fine tuning.)

Enough of that. For now.

Mimi: I've noticed too that most of the good fanfic writers are female. I managed DAFT, A Disney Afternoon based fanfic/fanart mailing list for about 8 years, and I got to see a LOT of fic. Nearly all of the fic that I'd want to read twice was by women. I didn't think much about it then, but when I got into the ReBoot fandom I saw it was even more predominant there. I'm not the only one who thinks so, either - there are yearly awards for the ReBoot fandom, and nearly all the nominations and awards in the writing categories go to women.

I'm not sure why this is. Can't think of any reasons that don't sound sexist.

BTW, Gonterman submitted some fic to DAFT. I rejected nearly all of it on the grounds of unsuitability to a mailing list that attracted kids and contained a few disney.com members. Unspoken grounds were the pure wretchedness of his writing!

Negs:BTW, Gonterman submitted some fic to DAFT. I rejected nearly all of it on the grounds of unsuitability to a mailing list that attracted kids and contained a few disney.com members.
...okay, you know you'll HAVE to tell us what the 'unsuitable for kids and respectable Disney fans' part was ;)

re. Better days. There WAS one point just after the incest moment when it is revealed the twins are now 15 - their mother states it's been five years since the attempted rape by the principal, when the kids were ten.

I too spotted a very glaring continuity error in Better Days... when Fisk goes out looking for 'foreskins' and it results on dogs attacking him, we see normal, regular dogs.

And later on, when Fisk's mom starts dating, we meet a dog-person. the hell? so there are like, two species? is that like humans and chimps?

This lack of realism and continuity on created worlds has always annoyed me, i can't put it on disbelief. stuff like Dreamwork's Robots (who WORKS? how do they decide who REPRODUCES? WHY?) and Sharktale make my mind hurt.

So i thought, why don't furry artists, as long as they're going to put cats and mice as equals and wreck food chains (i mean, Fisk likes POTATOES!), come up with new animals for the animal persons to eat and coexist with? wouldn't that be cool? you could have cow persons, and sow persons without someone jumping out of the blue to eat them.

I read through Better Days. It wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen, in any case. A few continuity errors, as others have noticed, but I think a lot of it is due to the author's trying to be "subtle," like the condom thing someone else mentioned. It wasn't clearly stated, but it did strike me that an earlier comic could have been trying to indicate that they had started sleeping with each other. The one where she was insisting on learning whether she was his "girl"? You'll forgive me for not wanting to dig through the thing again and find it, I trust.

I read a couple of dozen of those strips, but I didn't find them interesting enough. "Interesting" in the bad way. They weren't even Pupkin bad. Not freaky bad, just bad. I guess they got worse than that, but I have to budget my online time. For something like that, I need a constant "WTF?!?!" fix.

And yet you people don't read the fount of all stink, Snowflakes Studios. They haven't updated since the "Classic Scarlett PI" of Sunday. Now this is a crisis! Maybe the temporary loss of Davey has broken their spirits.

Never fear, Bill - The Master has returned with new Scarlet.
Why does the little girl have one big bow on the back of her head, but two pigtails?
We are on one of his 'I shall now vaguely allude to the original plotline, but then the next 20 pages will progress no further' pages.
It's not until half-way down that you realise it's Jim thinking this time and not Scar.

*ping* Ninja Star to the skull, yaaaay!

Mimi: among the things rejected were "The Rangers of NIMH" for language and terrible writing, and one of his Firestorm "Davey-Kins Takes Over Disney" stories, the one in which Donald Duck goes on a gay-bashing rant. There may have been some adult content issues as well; my memories are a decade old,a nd I don't really feel like going through the fics in question to refresh my memory.

BTW, he had me read one of his fics that wasn't for DAFT, and I mentioned that Mickey et al were behaving unlike they ever had before, and that this was "interesting." That was politese for "You've got these guys way out of character." He later stated on his website that I "admired" his characterization of the Disney characters. Oh, yeesh.

new Scarlet

He refers to Scarlett as "my other HAL," an obvious reference to another powerful and psychotic computer with a false personality, HAL from 2001. Brilliant!
No, I said it's brilliant. It is not another typo of his. It is brilliances. l337 even!

Y'know--my brain has gotten so used to it that I read his comment, and was sure that he was spelling it "wRearer's"...

I love my toaster oven. It is quite useful for baking faux chicken and etc. without having to heat up the big oven and also uses less electricity and doesn't heat up the whole apartment in summer.

In other neat news, I broke my hip two weeks ago and traded twenty-six tubes of blood for three screws in it. whee! if my darling daddy didn't pay my insurance and medical bills, I'd be REALLY screwed. I should be off the crutches and able to drive again by Christmas! WHEE! They said I have soft bones and are running eight million tests to find out why, one of which is for celiac disease, which is gluten intolerance. Apparently that is a genetic prediposition which can be triggered totally randomly at any age. You might get tested for that if nothing cures the Young's syndrome. I miss you but delight in the awareness of your ongoing existence and would shave my head in mourning if you die of malnutrition from involuntary bulimia.

I broke my hip two weeks ago

Whoa, that's no good! How did it happen?

They said I have soft bones

My mom told me to have some test done for just that; I guess it runs in the family. (My family; not the extended Splut glut family) Since I have clearly established issues with gravity anyway, I really really wouldn't want to bust a hip or leg or whatever, what with the whole "lives on the third floor" issue that I'd have to deal with.

Kitsplut- Awww, you poor thing! That really sucks! Hope you manage to not go insane during convalescence!

Kitsplut, that really sucks, I sympathise. I've had hip surgery before. Bloody painful afterwards, isn't it?
Just shifting around in your bed brings on the 'OOOOWWWW!'s.
Take plenty of calcium and strong painkillers ;)

Have a safe quick recovery!

In other news, Gont has written a journal entry stating his triumphant return. Oh, it's short, here it is:
Expect some pages on my new apartment soon, as well as some needed and hopefully fruitful attempts to gain some extra income that will be used to help maintian said apartment, like a Print account with artwork you could tell that I worked a lot on, like a combination CG with an Impressionist background, like the upcomming Shazell Print. If you have any other suggestions and willingness to buy commissions off me, please let me know.

I am polishing my smackdown as we speak in readiness...
Oh, we'll be able to TELL he worked hard on stuff? Wow, maybe he's gonna use MORE than 256 colours, ooooh!
And that's supposed to make people buy it more HOW?

Broken hip?! That's the sucks, especially in the absence of socialized medical care. SOFT BONES?! My imagination runs gibbering into its hidin' closet at the mention of it. Many wishes to you for easy treatment and rapid reinforcement.

I've been plodding through "Better Days", and it's less fun than Gont's canon, and the crazed politics are less overt (the gun nut's a Jew? That's refreshing!). I was having a LOT of trouble working out which war the father was supposed to have died in until he came right out and said Vietnam. Now I have trouble figuring out why he had to die in a war at all, since the time setting seems immaterial. Heck, he could have died in a commonplace training accident in any era-- the army's a dangerous place.

Edited by author 11-06-2005 05:11 PM
Eeeeff. I've been forunate enough to have never broken any bones, and with any luck, I never will. But a broken hip bone? And SOFT bones? Yikes! Double up on the calcium.

Zef: So i thought, why don't furry artists, as long as they're going to put cats and mice as equals and wreck food chains (i mean, Fisk likes POTATOES!), come up with new animals for the animal persons to eat and coexist with? wouldn't that be cool? you could have cow persons, and sow persons without someone jumping out of the blue to eat them.

Actually, some cats will eat veggies. One of my boyfriend's cats, Pookie, loves to eat tomatoes, broccoli, and melons; he'll come meowing into the kitchen when he smells veggies. I had a cat who ate pickles, too.

As for making new animals for the anthro-animals to co-exist with and consume... I've done that for a particular story I'm currently working on. So, yes, there's at least one "furry" artist/writer who's thought about that.

(BTW, if you're interested in seeing how one "furry" artist keeps (somewhat) true to the food chain, check out Kevin and Kell.)

EDIT: added a word so that one of the sentences would make sense

It's just struck me-- Stan Sakai's Usagi Yojimbo occupies a world in which the only non-anthro-animals are horses, for riding, and weird big lizards that stand in for just about anything else. He's got the advantage of a mainly vegetarian setting, using early 17th century Japan.

Stan Sakai's Usagi Yojimbo occupies a world in which the only non-anthro-animals are horses, for riding

I never quite understood the idea of having only select animals anthropomorphized. I often questioned why Rocko had a regular dog for a pet.

'sides, it's fun to draw anthro-horses; I like drawing the ends of their fingers black (though I'm still debating whether they should have anthro-feet with "hooved" toes or just regular hooves).

Now, anthro-snakes, I haven't seen. I had a friend who said he once saw a drawing of anthro-snakes; they had arms. Believe it or not, it struck me as silly. But that's just me.

And anthro-winged animals? I'm still struggling with them. (I mean, do you draw their wings attached to their arms, or do you emulate Sega's Rouge the Bat and plaster them on their backs?)

I never quite understood the idea of having only select animals anthropomorphized.
Not forgetting the most famous example - Goofy and Pluto.

Goofy and Pluto

They were different branches of the evolutionary tree of canines. Goofy was like a Neanderthal, whereas Pluto was like an Australopithecene.

Now, explain how the most intelligent species evolved from mice...THREE FOOT TALL MICE! And those ears, that face the viewer the same way no matter what direction the head is facing. Are they like radar dishes?

It was just a stress fracture; I was only off work a week and would have gone back sooner if allowed (I am the kind of psychotic employee who calls the office from pre-op with an IV stuck in my arm)(STRESS fracture, yup). actually I managed to walk on it for two days before it hurt badly enough I called my mom and cried. it really never hurt unless I put weight on it, which I am expressly forbidden to do now, so it only hurts when I have a Sailorsplut Klutz Attack. I get follow-up X-rays tomorrow.

I blame it all on the dead triplet, you know. she's sucking the nutrients from my body. I ingest more calcium from both natural and supplemental sources than any three normal people my age, so this is stupid.

I will make a journal post about the whole lurid experience if enough interest is expressed. It involves fundamentalist Christian doctors, being forced to lie in my own pee for two hours (having gone my entire two college careers without ever waking up in a pile of my own vomit, this displeased me IMMENSELY), and a tag team of psychiatrists trying to make me admit I throw up my food (to the point where I wanted to LIE and say YES just so they'd go AWAY).

ANYWAY.

Does anyone else remember from the mid-eighties a Claymation Christmas special involving two dinosaurs and the California Raisins? NO ONE DOES except my grandmother and me, but I swear I remember watching it more than one year. I need to see the Wallace and Grommit movie someday; Claymation terrifies me and fascinates me. like steel wool, only not quite.

Bill, Punkin's getting divorced and moved back to shitville in with her parents (now that I can't drive, of course). I'm thinking if I don't get a job in Omaha before June next year, the Lime Girls are packing it in and moving to Colorado.

Edited by author 11-07-2005 10:11 PM
I will make a journal post about the whole lurid experience if enough interest is expressed. It involves

fundamentalist Christian doctors

being forced to lie in my own pee for two hours

a tag team of psychiatrists

NAH. That doesn't sound interesting at ALL!!!!!!

Let's move on to more important matters!

Does anyone else remember from the mid-eighties a Claymation Christmas special involving two dinosaurs and the California Raisins?

Ohh, I remember it. I may actually still have a copy of it, somewhere.
There was this tall, erudite saurpod and this short, bulky, food-obsessed Styracosaurus--no, no, not a Triceratops! Styracosauruses had those pointy neck frills!
And I'm NOT a dinosaur geek!
They were supposed to be Siskel and Ebert. I even think the always-hungry Styracosaurus wore glasses. Like Ebert! Who must've liked food--because he was FAT! Oh, the comedy!
They introduced Raisin Xmas song music videos. In between, a bunch of dinosaurs did versions of "Here We Come A-Wassailing." Like, they're carrying waffles and singing, "Here we come a-WAFFLE-ING!" That kind of thing.

It played in 1989 no, 1988, right after "Rudolph" on CBS. I remember this as my then-current girlfriend taped it over my copy of Kid Creole and the Coconuts' "Trouble in Paradise." Which I've never found another copy of, damn you Internet I thought you were omnipotent!

Punkin's getting divorced and moved back to shitville in with her parents

That is the most unpredictable news in the history of news that's unpredictable! Not that I really know the girl, but, whoa--that's unpredictable!!
I also don't predict her in a uniform that says "Wal-Mart" or "Sonic" on it! (Okay--that was just mean. I apologize)

Kitsplut sez:
I will make a journal post about the whole lurid experience if enough interest is expressed. It involves fundamentalist Christian doctors, being forced to lie in my own pee for two hours (having gone my entire two college careers without ever waking up in a pile of my own vomit, this displeased me IMMENSELY), and a tag team of psychiatrists trying to make me admit I throw up my food (to the point where I wanted to LIE and say YES just so they'd go AWAY).

You went to Guatanamo bay? *fake audience laughter*

Seriously, that sounds awful. Good luck with the recovery, and I hope it's speedy. We could chip in and have Daveykins make you a Get Well card if that would help.

Does anyone else remember from the mid-eighties a Claymation Christmas special involving two dinosaurs and the California Raisins?

I vaguely recall that one. I didn't know who Siskel and Ebert were at the time, so the joke kind of went over my head. But I have a distinct memory of the California raisens dressed as wise men. I still think claymation is creepy, but that's just part of my puppet fear. Talking food is also creepy.

My roommate and I used to wonder about the subtle racism in the Arthur cartoon. Arthur's an aardvark, but he has a dog? And in one episode, IIRC, Buster thinks that his teacher, a giant rat, is dating his mother, a bunny, and visualizes what their children will look like. It's not pretty. It's the only example of interracial marriage in the show, which is really not setting a good example for children. Of course, all the species on that show sort of have the same blobby shape, so it's kind of hard to tell who's what.

Um, in conclusion, I spent way too much time watching PBS in college. Don't even get me started on Sagwa.

I had a VERY VAGUE memory of the Raisin thing until Bill mentioned the Styracoebertosaur. Now I remember it somewhat less vaguely. While not fearing the medium, I was spilt between enjoying the art (tricky!) and the occasional clever joke, and being rather angry at such overt half-hour long product placement.

Now, anthro-snakes, I haven't seen.

Actually... Usagi Yojimbo strikes again: Lord Hebi, who has no arms but does have a LOT of obi holding his kimono closed. No, I'm not a furry, I just like Sakai's storytelling.

Does anyone else remember from the mid-eighties a Claymation Christmas special involving two dinosaurs and the California Raisins? NO ONE DOES except my grandmother and me, but I swear I remember watching it more than one year.

I have that on tape somewhere! I remember watching it on TV a few years ago with my mom and the two of us cracking up throughout the skating walrus segment.

I need to see the Wallace and Grommit movie someday; Claymation terrifies me and fascinates me. like steel wool, only not quite.

I recently saw on The Showbiz Show on Comedy Central that the warehouse that stored all the Wallace and Gromit figurines burned down. Very tragic, but the creator, Nick Park, took it quite well.

Seriously, that sounds awful. Good luck with the recovery, and I hope it's speedy. We could chip in and have Daveykins make you a Get Well card if that would help.

For $deity's sake, woman, she's in enough pain already!

... thought, maybe we could send a Gontergram... with a guy dressed in a fox suit. No, the card would be less traumatizing.

Lord Hebi, who has no arms but does have a LOT of obi holding his kimono closed.

Doesn't look any different from a real snake, but he looks less silly than a snake with arms.

No, I'm not a furry, I just like Sakai's storytelling.

Not that you have to be one to enjoy an obviously great story (being one probably wouldn't make a difference, anyway). Admittedly, I haven't read much of Usagi, but its popularity inspires me to seek out a few issues.

This might be why claymation is creepy.

Personally I haven't got a problem with the Final Fantasy stuff, but I thought The Incredibles was creepy. Not that it wasn't a good movie or anything, I just thought that the super realistic elements combined with the super cartoony character designs was disconcerting. But that might have also been because I was sitting in one of the front rows of the theater.

Manga is coming to US Sunday newspapers.
Note that the company involved is Tokyopop...Maybe we'll see Mimi next to Dilbert some day?

Huh. That's news to me. Must quiz my editor about that sometime...
Oh great, they're running 'Peach Fuzz' 9_9
The art's not bad, but the artist really has to learn to draw faces properly...
I guess they're picking that one because it's aimed at children and has two volumes out already.
It'll be interesting to see how well manga, which is normally a serial story, will adapt to a 1/3 page strip format. Lot less space than manga artists are used to working with.


Bear in mind, this is only Sunday pages. I'm ultimately aiming for the dailies ;)

But hey, if manga replaces tired old crap like Garfield and Cathy, I'm all for it!
If the concept does well, maybe others will get a crack at it.

Re: Bush's bedtime--

http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly051109.htm

Manga in newspapers, eh? Pretty cool to learn, although the article had some irritating inaccuracies. Anime is only movies? Then what the hell am I doing with 52 episodes of Full Moon wo Sagashite? Still, that's pretty neat. Although I have to say that Peach Fuzz doesn't interest me AT ALL, and the creator really shouldn't be calling herself a manga artist when she doesn't have any formal training. But then I'm a horrible elitist. On a side note, anyone on here read Petshop of Horrors? I forget who the manga-ka is, but damn those things are stunningly gorgeous.

On the "quality of life" quiz thing- yeah, definitely very based on that idiotic American middle-class idea that in order to be happy you have to have gajillions of friends and get along with everyone and share your toys and all that utter bullshit. Gah. I hate normal people. >.<

A preview of the first of Davey's money-making prints. The dough'll be rollin' in now.

Kiru-I want a magic clown horse to give me candy now.

Re: manga in the papers: Damn, now I feel old. Remember the days when all you could find at Borders was a handful of Sailor Moon and Gundam comics? Now you can buy manga at Wal-mart. Kids these days, back in my day we had to walk uphill in the snow to get our manga, and we had to import it! *chases kids of her lawn with a broom*

<<A preview of the first of Davey's money-making prints. The dough'll be rollin' in now.>>

He'd have to pay me to take it. NASTY.

So--I guess that's Powell in the 1st panel, Cheney in the 2nd, but who's in the 3rd? It can't be Rumsfeld. The soldiers are "fungible," remember? (That means "easily replaced," as if they were Kleenex)

Speaking of Kleenex--why is Davey's Shizzle in front of a giant snot-rag?

I've just looked at Davey's Happy Solstice card for the 1st close time.

TITLE: Hey, is there a font named "Matchstick scrapings on a dead leaf"? Because you might want to look into it, it'd make your scrawl more readable.

WINDOW: Can anyone explain it? It's black on the bottom, but has Sir Arthur Fleming's favorite Petri dish on the top.

TREE: Everyone loves the Colors of Christmas--Black, and Light Green Tribbles! They'll look great in front of the walls your nephew colored in crayon.

HER: Where's her hat?! Oh, there it is! If you ever need camouflage to infiltrate a country where everything is a moldy and black tribbley-color...Purple's Perfect!

EYES: EXPLODING!!!!!!

CLEAVAGE: Is that a spork?
LOOK AT IT. Her cleavage has a SPORK!

BOX: Why, what a nice bow! I'll just--Wait! The bow--it's covered in BLOOD! But it's so small--
NOOOO! It's not a bow, it's--it's--YOU KILLED THE PILLSBURY DOUGHBOY! Look at his liddle arms, his liddle legs! Wow, I guess his father was the Michelin Man. But now--he's DEAD!

Yeah, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, Davey! Thanks for the free nightmares!

the creator really shouldn't be calling herself a manga artist when she doesn't have any formal training. But then I'm a horrible elitist.

*spit-take*

Oy! No formal training here, either! I think you'll find 99.99999% of comic and manga artists have had no 'formal' training. Practise and persistence are what develop talent, not a piece of paper (unless it's from Calarts ;))

Now, to the meat and potatoes - Davey's little gift to the Hallmark stores.
That is pure pain. WTF is he THINKING that people would pay for this?? If this were produced by a 5-yr-old, I'd be impressed. But the man is SURROUNDED on Devart by people who shit better stuff than anything he's done and he thinks he's good enough to make a buck?
Ack! Brain not computing....
Gonna go update As If! and look at photos of cute animals to purge this dreck...

<<*spit-take*

Oy! No formal training here, either! I think you'll find 99.99999% of comic and manga artists have had no 'formal' training. Practise and persistence are what develop talent, not a piece of paper (unless it's from Calarts ;))>>

Whoah, seriously? Damn. I think that statement requires massive rescinding, then. I've always thought your works were fabulous... I guess my classical music elitism has been kicking in worse than I thought. :3

The side-bar ads offers "A Gluten Free Life". This is funny, because I mean to go out and pick up a box of gluten to ease the making of super-healthy whole wheat bread with oat bran and flax in it.

If it was a Gonten free life, maybe I'd look into it. Anyone want to bet that the "prints" are produced by a low-end Lexmark printer? I can't see him setting up a lithography station in his fabulous new $25/week digs.

Re that "quality of life" quiz, yeah, I took it and bombed in the friends and love life categories. Like Bill, I an content with being single and prefer to have a few good friends rather that a lot of vague ones.

Mimi, no formal training? Shoot, now I feel worse than ever, 'cause I had art classes in college. Majored in drawing & painting. Sure has been a lot of use in my career as an office computer monkey... BTW, I always look forward to "As If" updates. I really hope that one of these days I can get it in book form.

Re Gonty's sure-to-make-a-mint picture... uh, yeah. Nothing much I can say that I haven't said before. And did you know that Davey has had formal art training? Waaaay back when he used to have part of his college portfolio up on his site. His art was actually a little better when he was working from something in front of him as opposed to just scrawling, but there were pictures that made me wonder how they managed to get mutants to pose for his life drawing classes.

And speaking of challenged artists artistic challenges, I'm working on a new Kisekae doll. This is a new type of project for me, because I'm much more used to drawing the female form than the male one, and I've never tried to do an, uh, sexy male bod. I hope I can carry this off...

Re Davey's sure-to-get-rich-pic: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Dang! You know, I could probably sell sketches and make a little money... and I'm not all that confident with my artistic abilities right now, either!

This is a new type of project for me, because I'm much more used to drawing the female form than the male one, and I've never tried to do an, uh, sexy male bod. I hope I can carry this off...

I think that's a sezzy male body. And you draw abdominal muscles better than me. (What game is that character from? I can't recall the title at the moment.)

I'm more used to drawing the female form, too. I've been collecting pictures depicting males so I can have references. Back in Florida, I found a book called "Male Nude Now" at a Barnes and Noble (I'll never forget the look on the woman's face as she rung it up for me). A few graphic pictures, but nothing that gave me "the vapors."

They say the best way to learn how the body looks and moves is to have live nude models. However, I doubt my folks would agree to me having naked men in the house. I'm sure my boyfriend would also say something about it, too...

I'm also sure the guys would object to the idea when they discover I can only pay them in Ramen Noodles.

Negaduck: That's a damn nice pic. You really managed to capture the unholy creepiness that is the king.

Fistlekits: I'm terrible at drawing men too. I think women are easier to draw, but that could be because I've mostly had female models. There are surprisingly few male models. And they also tend to be a little more shy than the female models, which I always thought was pretty funny.

I got a lot of weird looks for copying anatomy plates at the library, and those were the ones that didn't even show the penises. People sure are weird about nudity.

Edited by author 11-10-2005 04:16 PM
I didn't draw the pic from scratch, I must confess. It's based on a picture on the official website for "Boku No Watashi No Katamari Damacy." The original picture is a full-color JPG. I converted it to the paletted image pixel by pixel (GROAN) and in the process removed its clothes because, well, the base doll of a dressup set gotta be nekkid, right? And the lighting was a bit, well, complicated, so I had to simplify that, and figure out how to make that work with a body type I'm not used to. I spent forever on the abdominal area, trying to get it to look just right. And after all that was done I drew the clothes back on him, layer by layer, including the bits you can't see, like the arm straps for the purple leotard. Pixel-pushin' can be a bloody lot of work.

I have some pose books with both male and female models. Er, in separate books, that is. They're useful to a point, and good for brushing up on anatomy, but you don't have any really *defined* models in those.

Rabbit: Unholy creepiness? You want unholy creepiness? I got your unholy creepiness right here!

Since we're a big lot of comic strip geeks here, I'll save myself an hour of fruitless Googling and ask: What current comic strips are ghosted?

I heard a rumor that for the last 15 years, when Davis signs a Garfield strip, that's all he's doing--signing off on it as approval of a joke he didn't write and a strip he didn't draw; it's all done by "assistants."

I saw a visible increase in the art in Boondocks a while back, with a concurrent quality jump in the writing. OTOH, about 2 years ago, there was a HUGE jump in the quality of the art in Funky Winkerbean. I found out that it had been taken over by John "X-Men/Superman" Byrne. And the quality of the writing went down at the same time.

Is there a list of people who aren't doing their own heavy lifting, in either art or writing?

I'm pretty sure the Katzenjammer kids are ghosted - I can't BELIEVE that comic is still around... ;)

All I know for certain are the ones you've already mentioned, Bill. Garfield and Boondocks.
In some cases, ghosting would definitely be an improvement. Megatokyo, for example.
Not Cathy, though. Cathy needs to die.

Cool pixel doll so far, Negs! I hate doing guys, I can never get the musculature to look any good.

There are surprisingly few male models. And they also tend to be a little more shy than the female models, which I always thought was pretty funny.

I read about that in a book on male life drawing. That is odd. And silly.

I was thinking that when I move out and get my own little place, I could set up a photography studio of sorts that specializes in tasteful photos of male nudes. *shrug* Hey, I think the male body is just as beautiful as the female body.

(Of course, all sorts of questions arise from doing such work. How to advertise, what to pay the models, etc.)

There's frequently ads in the paper here-- "Exotic Dancers Wanted. Men or Women. GREAT PAY and so forth" so I guess if youdon't mind regular visits from vice cops you can just advertise openly for models.

The trick to drawing abs on a male-- find a very slightly overweight model. No definition = no problems!

And finally, in response to the drawing that started this line of comments, I think the King himself said it best: zickzickazickswkeekswkeezicka!

Hmm... when I was in college, male models were definitely elusive creatures. There were only two that appeared with any frequency: Patrick, who was a 5'3" man you could have used as a muscle diagram, and Michael, who was... well, mass. Just mass, no structure. There were plenty of female models - including me, in my last two years in college when I was into my core classes and thus couldn't get a regular time for work on the schedule. Heh, my father thought I was being all bohemian and nudist and stuff. Yeah, right! After a year of art college you don't bat an eye when you see a naked model, and I knew that they were more focused in how to draw the shadow on the back of my knee than on any Naughty Thoughts.

Ernst - I had to think about the "King's Words" before I realized you were referring to the record-scritchy "voice" from the game. Did you know that at the end of "We Love Katamari" you can actually hear him speak and even sing? His voice is not at all what I'd expected, but it somehow fits anyway. Here's a cute little cutscene with the King and the newborn Prince. (Divx encoded. Will only be up until Monday.)

I was thinking that when I move out and get my own little place, I could set up a photography studio of sorts that specializes in tasteful photos of male nudes. *shrug* Hey, I think the male body is just as beautiful as the female body.

That's a great idea. It'd be great reference material. Publish a book, I'll buy it.

After a year of art college you don't bat an eye when you see a naked model, and I knew that they were more focused in how to draw the shadow on the back of my knee than on any Naughty Thoughts.

Too true. I don't even think twice when I see someone naked, or even shirtless, it's just "Oooo, look at that latissimus dorsi! What nice definition."

Americans, and I guess just people in general, have very funny ideas about nudity.

Cathy needs to die.

Maybe she'll asphyxiate.

Edited by author 11-11-2005 09:38 PM
The trick to drawing abs on a male-- find a very slightly overweight model. No definition = no problems!

I agree with Ernst, and would model if asked to. (payment in ramen would be accepted!) for some reason i'm hella comfortable with my nakedness. Aesthetics are all relative anyway.

On the topic of Pictures and male overweightness, it took me a long (LONG!) time to get off my ass and do it, but i finally uploaded the most interesting pics from the anime expo.

(warnin' ish graphic intensive, and sometimes quite graphic, too. o.o)

I would model if it was for a real art class. Especially now that I've cut off some body fat and have pretty good definition. A friend recently asked if I'd been doing ab crunches or something. Wow!

I've modeled for a photo shoot before. That was actually a creepy experience. There were alot of poses, some tasteful and artistic, some just stuff he wanted to have pics of, none raunchy. I drew the line when he a) wanted me to pose with an iron cross, and b) when he suggested a second nude model in the pics - himself. Uh, NO. He may not have had anything weird in mind, but I wasn't going to take the chance.

I think that now I'd model for that kind of shoot, but only for someone I know. Hell, most of my RHPS friends have seen 95% of me, so it'd only be that last 5%.

And Cathy does need to be put out of our her misery.

Disney has life drawing classes twice a week. The male-female model ratio is about 50-50. I've probably drawn just as many men as women. A couple of the guys are so cut, they might as well not have any skin.
I remember one model who was very heavily pierced. If his scrotum alone didn't set off airport metal detectors, I would be VERY surprised...

And now.. for those of you who might have thought that Davey was losing his idiot touch, fear no more. New Scarlet PI, with misinformed gay references back in all their magnificent glory!
And a sketch of Scarlet's future dinner
Ooh, I could ALMOST detect a slight miffed-ness in his reply to my comment. Still doesn't explain why she even had boobs in the first place.
ELBOWS and KNEES, Gont! Heard of them?

I assume that the "beta sketch" looks the way it does because of cockroaches trapped under the scanner lid.

Disney has life drawing classes twice a week.

Disney ENCOURAGES drawing? ;-) I thought it was all mouse and keyboard now. I make a wild assumption that this unexpectedly risque activity is taking place in Australia, where body shame seems to have been largely done away with (based on such information as filters around to this end of the planet).

Zeffiel- hey, neat pictures! Some of the costumes are pretty damned good (yours included, of course)!

I wish I'd gotten a chance to take figure drawing. The drawing courses I took we just drew bottles, the occasional kewpie doll, and many MANY skeletons in weird poses. One week the teacher suspended a skeleton from the ceiling with its arms flung out and its head thrown back; with the spotlights, it looked like it was being carried up to heaven or something. I refer to that composition as "The Apotheosis of the Skeletons." Although, from the other end, it looked more like an illustration in a gynecology textbook....

If you are joking, Ernst, fine. If you GENUINLY think that all animation is done with a mouse now, bend over. That's a paddlin'!
Don't have this huge callus on my finger from pushing a MOUSE around...

Mimi - I'm envious. It sounds like a very good idea, having people study figure drawing. It's an excellent way to "keep it real," you know?

Ernst - Shame on you. Do you think CGI springs fully-formed from the computer, like Athena from Zeus's head? Where do you think all original designs, storyboards, concept drawings, storyboards, etc. come from? Drawings. Pick up the "A Bug's Life" artbook and you will see hundreds of pictures of hand-drawn images. And do you think that someone who can't draw can animate a CGI model? Drawing skills are not only used for creating art by pushing pencils, pens, and brushes around on surfaces. Drawing also involves being trained to *see*. You have to know what to look at, how things move, what the real shapes are, how muscles work and how they move over bone, where collapsible and noncollapsible spots are, and how to integrate it all. Without that knowlege, you get Gonterman-like slop.

While Negs is very correct, I have also noticed a disturbing belief among a lot of people that *2D* animation is all done with a computer - like all traditional animation, cleanup and inbetweening is all done with a Wacom or something.
Absolutely not true - the only exception is Flash, but even then, half the artwork is hand-drawn on paper then scanned in.

cleanup and inbetweening is all done with a Wacom or something.

A Wacom? You mean the pad I have next to my computer, the one that you operate by moving a pen-like stylus on a page-like surface? That can't involve any drawing skills, now can it? ;)

I've heard people saying that soon all animation will be computer-generated, with nobody drawing them. What mierda del toro! There will always be a niche for quirky animation that simply doesn't follow the logic that you can program into a computer.

As for Flash, actually, I've done a fair bit of art for it. It was all for Meddros's 8-Bit Theater animations, however, so, with the exception of one "gallery" picture, it's all Nintendo-style pixel pictures. But that involves drawing skill, too - how can you reduce something to 4 colors in a 24x24 box and make it read well? Hand gestures, facial expressions, and the like can be quite a challenge, and animating them believably even more so. And without realistic figure drawing skill, and the knowledge of structure and body language you get from it, good luck!

Edited by author 11-12-2005 11:21 PM
I'll show a case Scarlet had that would have given Tommy and Tilly's parents enough trust in the giant fox to let her be an alternative to Day Care.

Oh, great. He's going to talk about things that've happened rather than showing them happening. Aaaaagain. I miss the days when he'd use a lame sound effect to do that. "HOLSTER PISTOL!!"

Yeah, Mimi! Note how he's all thankful for someone pointing out "What sort of negligent parent lets their kids play dress-up with a freakish android?" but gets all pissy with you. It's not like you phrased the question in a way different than the other person. It's like he's just mad at you. I wonder why?

Is "Queer Eye" really a hugely popular show with preteens?

Interesting how in Davey's world, a synthetic lifeform can come out of nowhere beating up normal humans and be immediately accepted everywhere by everybody in the course of a month, but every single gay is closeted and ashamed of themselves.

edit: Notice "New Face: Melody" in the pop-up. Compare it to Tilly about-to-give-a-Clinton Job's face. They look very not different, right down to the Giant Hair Bow. Man, that must be some powerful mullet-recognition software!

(And I assume that the utterly WTF?ness that is "they tend to win a lot of mail-in contests for cat food" will never be referred to again)

Negs: Note that I said HALF the art for Flash is hard-copy drawn. Of course a lot of Flash is prepped totally digitally and great CG and Flash animation requires just as much artistic knowledge and experience as 2D animation.
Yes, a Wacom simulates drawing, but a Wacom CANNOT be used as a traditional animation tool the same way as pencil, paper and a pegboard can. If it was that easily crossed over, we'd have done it long ago.
Our studio does everything on paper except painting and compositing - layouts, shadows, effects, props, character animation, everything's hand-drawn.
Mind you, our backgrounds are all done with Photoshop on Wacom Cintiqs - but for the degree of accuracy the animation requires a tablet is better suited as a painting/colouring tool than an accurate drawing tool.

Bill:It's not like you phrased the question in a way different than the other person. It's like he's just mad at you. I wonder why?
Maybe he still hangs around GAFF and found the Gonterman-mocking thread.
Or maybe because my page hit-count has now doubled his? >:)
Compare it to Tilly about-to-give-a-Clinton Job's face.
Oh good, I'm not the only one who thought that...

Mimi - I was just continuing the point about real drawing skills being needed for animation art, not just mouse-pushing. Yes, I know about the limitations of Wacom and other tablets. I've fiddled enough with animation to know that it's not just drawin' lots of pictures a little different. Hell, inbetweening my own works was a mindboggling task. I worked my butt off to just do a believable walk cycle for a flash animation - and that was all drawn on paper, inbetweened on a light table, scanned in, and colored digitally.

This probably says more about my lack of skill than the difficulty of the task, though...

Edited by author 11-13-2005 01:15 AM
*laughs* Yeah, I know what means about the 'net. I've had the same E-mail and website addresses since '95 (screenname: 1994, to be exact) and still use both actively. How common is that these days?

Another thing that makes me feel old, which happened twice, almost same exact script, once at Dragon*Con and again at Anime Weekend Atlanta. I'm dancing In the Groove (think DDR with extras) at the RedOctane booth in the dealer's room. I'm beating the teenage boy next to me on 8- and 9-footers, and using weird mods like unholy fast spinning arrows. Afterwards, the boy asks my age. When I tell him I'm 37, he expresses surprise and admiration that "a woman my age" is so good at this. "A woman my age"?! I am not "a woman my age!"

So is anyone here under 30? Just curious...

Negs: Yeah, hand-drawn is labour-intensive no matter what level you're at. Doing drawings takes time. People seem to think CG is more efficient, but it's like comparing apples and oranges. CG may do away with depts like Cleanup and IB, but the animator has to do it ALL themselves and good animation takes a LOT of refining to get it as subtle as, say, The Incredibles.
Plus, the rendering time takes up any time that might have been saved by dropping traditional depts.
Feature animation is expensive, no matter what you use. Some animators are making HUGE progress on making good Flash cartoons for TV, though.
I've had this username since my family went online in '96. I was in my opera stage at the time and I can't shake it off, even though I stopped singing long ago!

Yeah, I know what means about the 'net

Heh! I guess that everyone will see a different version of that strip. I took it as a very clever rephrase of that old cliche, "You're as young as you feel."

Yeah, there's a LOT of under-30s here. From random mentions over the years, I think that the Commenters' ages run from the late teens to the mid 50s.
If I'm wrong, please correct me. Oh, and I'm 46.

Yeah, there's a LOT of under-30s here. From random mentions over the years, I think that the Commenters' ages run from the late teens to the mid 50s.
If I'm wrong, please correct me.
Not that I really count as a Commenter, but you would be correct. Although I'm sufficiently close to no longer being a teenager at ALL that I don't think "late teens" really ought to apply to me. But that's probably just the egocentrism of youth talking. :3

So is anyone here under 30? Just curious...

I'm twenty-three. I think I found InExOb through Jetwolf's site when I was sixteen or seventeen. So that's, um, five years of Bill addiction. And now I feel old.

That comic is adorable, by the way. I can remember when there was no internet, and when soft drinks came in glass bottles. I'm soooooo ooooooooold!

According to Foxfire, Gont has uploaded a new chapter of Lady Shazell, but I'm getting a dead link.
Ah well, we get to see a photo of his new place, though!
Courtesy of Yahoo! maps...

You can still buy soft drinks in glass, they're just more expensive. Last year, our supermarket had some rather cool Mickey Anniversary glass Coke bottles, but I didn't want to buy a complete 6 pack ;)

Zef: I agree with Ernst, and would model if asked to. (payment in ramen would be accepted!)

That's nice and all, Zef, but I can't use jujubes to pay for your plane ticket. ;p

Rabbit: I'm twenty-three.

Hey, me too!

You know what makes me feel old? Knowing that some of my favorite childhood cartoons are over a decade old. And seeing those new My Little Pony toys. And knowing that I can gain more weight easily because my metabolism started to slow down when I turned 18... Oh, hell, now I'm depressed.

You know, a good thing about being 21+ is that you can head down to the ABC liquor store and buy a bottle of Jack Daniels.

And when they ask for ID, I can feel young again.

Oops, I almost forgot the Gonterstuff...

we get to see a photo of his new place, though!
Courtesy of Yahoo! maps...

Maybe it's an open invitation for his throngs of fans to show up on his doorstep and shower him with housewarming gifts?

It's the only other reason I can think of for showing everybody on the Net where he lives. (The other reason being that he's a complete dundernut, but anyway...)

If you GENUINLY think that all animation is done with a mouse now, bend over.

I was having a poke at the MotherMouse and the announcement of "no more traditional animation". Didn't mean to cause upset. Heck, I'm still a-tremble from my tour of a Korean animation mine, with the chilling Crypt of Inbetweeners. It was like the Xian tomb, but they were all alive!

On the other hand, if I can provoke people into classical references (...like Athena from Zeus's head?) I must be doing something right ;-)

I remember when the only way to get data out of the Internet was with Gopher. That Lynx interface... now, THAT was slick! I think the first iteration of Netscape was my first serious computer-induced future shock, although a childhood of reading post-apocalytic novels means that any date after 1986 has been slightly jarring.

Not that I really count as a Commenter

Hah? Anyone who comments is a Commenter. That's why there's comments!

And, Lavender Gray, I never said "DON'T POST HERE NEVER AGAINS!!!" so you should start posting again. Christ, it's more than I ever do on my own page!

Okay, guys, a little help would be appreciated.

I just received an email from someone who's noticed a girl copying my old artwork and characters... and it's the same girl who's done it before in the past.

http://runty.deviantart.com/

That catgirl looks too much like my Silverdale to be a coincidence.

I feel absolutely nauseous right now, but I don't know what else to do other than show the DA mods my old Silverdale and Hack art (which I had the good sense to date) and report her.

Kits:
If she's done it before, all you can do is report her to the DA Mods and enclose all the evidence you can. Directly confronting people about it usually only leads to a shitfest.

Apart from Silverdale, I can't really see anything else in her gallery that seems a copy of your stuff.
Silverdale can't be the only blue-haired catgirl ever created, are you sure it couldn't just be coincidence?

I know Janna Correa from around 1998 when we were both on the CatDog mailing list. She copied me more times than I care to remember, and it wasn't just limited to artwork. (Interesting note: she would copy my posts on the mailing list and sign her name at the bottom, as if she had written them herself.)

I know that Silverdale isn't the only blue-haired catgirl ever made; I've seen a few that weren't blatant copies (once I saw a cute Siamese). But it's highly suspicious when a person who publicly plagiarized my artwork comes up with a similar-looking catgirl and names her Sylvia Dali...

It doesn't help her case that she also copied Silverdale's boyfriend, Hack. And gave him the same damn name.

This isn't the first time she's done something like this. Months after I'd cut ties with her, one of my friends reported seeing her "Sylvia Dali and Hack" stuff on the Side7 site. He and I reported her, and her stuff was taken down.

I'm not the only one she's copied, of course; the girl who alerted me said that Janna had ripped off a few of her character poses in the past.

I'm probably overreacting to this, but it pisses me off that this girl is still under the impression that she'll never be caught. It's a consolation that other people have called her out on her plagiarizing, though.

But even if I'm successful, she'll probably find some other site to post her little carbon copies. If she hasn't stopped copying anyone at this point, she probably never will.

I almost wish it was David Gonterman who was copying me instead of her. At least he's funny.

When I remember those bondage pictures of "Sylvia" it makes me wonder what Xerox Girl thought about my character and me.

Fistlekits: Sorry about the copying. I've never had it happen, so I can't really help you, but I'll vouch for you on DA if you need me too. I like your kitty girl, very cute. It's nice to see some actually well-drawn anthros, instead of Gonterman's crap.

Um, I was rooting through her gallery, and I found this. She's definately guilty of having bad taste.

Kits: Fair enough. Report her arse.
I'll back you up, too.
She either doesn't care that she rips people off, or she's just that stupid.

Rabbit: Yeah, it sucks, and there's not much I can do at the moment. It's a little comforting that other people have been

Just feel lucky that you've never had a little leech try to suck the joy of drawing out of you.

I like your kitty girl, very cute. It's nice to see some actually well-drawn anthros, instead of Gonterman's crap.

Heh, thanks. I feel guilty for not drawing my anthro-characters that often. That could change.

(I'll try to resist drawing anthro-foxes, though. I don't think I'd want Gontie lurking around my site.)

What would be the ultimate Disney-themed Gonterman wet dream pic?

Probably Maid Marian and Tinkerbell wrestling in their underwear...
We already know Sue Traveller is a total slut. There's another awkward Johnny-Sue R-fic in progress over on the Foxfire message boards. Nothing is happening except bad dialogue so far ;)
I shall be interested to see his reaction to my current work in progress. One of the characters is Maid Marian, but I've redesigned her body to be all-human (so she matches the Princesses). So she has a tiny waist and boobs.

What would be the ultimate Disney-themed Gonterman wet dream pic?

Probably Maid Marian and Tinkerbell wrestling in their underwear...

Underwear? Pshaw! They'd be wearing fursuits. Because there's nothing sexier than a woman suffocating inside of several yards of synthetic fur.

The Gonter-well seems to be running pretty dry lately. He still hasn't fixed the link to the second Lady Shazell's Wiccian Adventures installment. I stumbled on this wet dream on his wiki, but it's been there awhile. Still funny though.

Oh, and Kits:
Don't get discouraged from drawing just because someone pinched a couple of your characters. Geez, the more famous and respected you get as an artist, it's not like the ripoffs and plagiarism disappears, it gets worse!
So many artists these days make their careers off copying the style of someone more famous than them. Studios like Capcom and artists like Adam Warren and Hyung-Tae Kim have a THOUSAND copycats in their wake, all slavishly cloning their style and look in the hope of catching a bit of their fame.
All the more reason why I don't read comics much - I like to keep my style relatively uncontaminated. I'd rather have my own style any day than copy something else just because it's popular.
Ignore the little nit and keep drawing, Kits. It's not like she's some famous artist stealing from an unknown.

Rabbit:The Gonter-well seems to be running pretty dry lately.
Oh, I dunno. I just stumbled on this little piece of 'nobody asked' vitriol.
Davey just posted this commen to an 'I Hate Archie' Sonic fangroup on DA(no idea who Archie is, but rabid Sonic fans are a bit odd, I've learnt). Bear in mind, noone invited him to join, and noone provoked him in any way to post this on their front page:

I left Archie Sonic Fandom at Ish #47. I tried to return after Ish #50 after a rare kindness from Ken Penders of all people, and even restored the archaic Sonic archive that rat.org used to have. However, it was made clear from other fans that they would rather have _no_ rat.org archive than have _me_ run it, so I left the fandom for good. With a rather sour view of any Sonic Fan of any stripe in my mind.

_Very_ sour. And _any_ Sonic fan. I can't even look at Yuki Naga and not growl.

You have to do some major butt kissing to get me into any Sonic Group. A group that is anti-Archie doesn't need to do much.


Thanks dude. So they only need kiss your butt a LITTLE should they even want to consider your glorious presence. He posts it to say nothing but 'I HATE ALL SONIC FANS AND WOULDN'T JOIN IF YOU BEGGED ME!'
The man is on FIRE! ;)

Don't get discouraged from drawing just because someone pinched a couple of your characters. Geez, the more famous and respected you get as an artist, it's not like the ripoffs and plagiarism disappears, it gets worse!

Too true. I did realize that last night while talking to Pat. I just keep telling myself that this girl was probably so envious of me, she wanted to be me. The fact that she's still drawing carbon copies of my characters says something about her obsession with either my works or me... or even both. And that can't possibly be healthy.

Ignore the little nit and keep drawing, Kits. It's not like she's some famous artist stealing from an unknown.

Don't worry, I'm still going to draw. This was just an unpleasant reminder of my first taste of unbridled fan insanity. Thanks. ;)

But now, onto more fun things...

(no idea who Archie is, but rabid Sonic fans are a bit odd, I've learnt)

Aha... I know this. Archie is the nickname for Archie Comics, an American comic book company (comics, really?) which publishes their version of the Sonic story.

Fleetway Comics in England publishes a much better version. Anyone who remembers "Blood and Metal" will remember the name Kintobor... which was Robotnik's original name in the Fleetway comics before he turned evil.

But I digress. The irrational hatred for Archie is because of their bastardization of the characters, love polygons, inane attempts to incorporate the game storylines into the existing storyline, and general stupidness of the writers, but most Sonic fans will tell you that it's because Archie tried to kill off their beloved Princess Sally around issue #47 (if my feeble mind recalls correctly). I think we all know Gonterman tried to take credit for convincing Ken Penders to bring her back.

Cripes, but that ego size! *chuckle* Does he honestly think that these people are going to flood his inbox with emails begging him to join their little clique?

Anyone who remembers "Blood and Metal" will remember the name Kintobor

What? That was SO lame, that I was sure Davey himself made it up. I can see stealing something good and making it lame, but why steal something stupid in order to make it more retarded?

Kits: Ah, okay. Archie COMICS, I know. I thought Archie was some Sonic character that the comic canon had introduced or something.

*Looks at 'Kintobor'.... penny drops*
Ah, palindromic!

DAMN, that's OBVIOUS! Whatta gyp!

Mimi: I never noticed that! I always assumed Kintobor was another one of Davey's faux Japanese names.

Now I feel really, really stupid. It took me awhile to figure out that "Alucard" was Dracula backwards too.

Ooh, but one time I was watching a Mark Hammill movie where the President of the United States was named "Niela." And it turns out that he was an ALIEN! Now that's clever.

Bwa-hahaha. New proof how little Gont REALLY knows about online fandoms - this little interchange on someone's deviation:
Gont: I know Mary Sue characters. Heck, there are people who want to slice my throat because I made a couple. But what's an OC?
artist:: An OC is simply an original character made by a writer. Not all OCs are Sues.(which is correct)
Gont: Ah, Original Character. I understand now.

Good thing for me I decided to switch to an All-Original Character World. (While there are no direct refrences, save for Lost Boy Found's Adam Packbell, the FoxFire world does have Anime influences) I would have done that sooner but there was a time that every idea and thought I made was shot down by those who only thought of me by the Mary Sues I made. Some still think of me in the same manner a Muslim thinks of Soloman Rushie (sp? The guy who made 'The Satanic Verses')

O_O
"SOLOMAN RUSHIE"??? The man needs a Wikipedia brain transplant. Seriously. The guy SHOULD concieveably have been old enough to remember when the fatwa was issued, and he can't even remember the guy's name!
And the reason we all thing of you like onea them goddamn Muslim terrists is because you STILL write Mary-Sues, dude.
The Adam Packbell guy? Oh, SO not a Sue, we TOTALLY believe you, man.... 9_9

And once again, noone frigging ASKED about your characters.

Okay. Davey? Please, just... just stop the Muslim references, okay? You're not important enough to liken yourself to those who are or have been direct targets of terrorist attacks.

I'm so tempted to leave that message on his DA page.

Edited by author 11-18-2005 09:16 AM
Godwin's Law needs to be updated to include references to Muslim extremists.

I don't count a character as original if it's just an existing character with a tweak here and there and the serial numbers filed off. Susan Trav Ellar (The Gadget Hackwrench rip) and Jonathan Brisby (the Rats of NIMH rip) are examples. Well, I haven't seen Susan in use for a while, and he seems to have given Briz a rest lately. As for whether his various avatars and self-insertions are original characters... I dunno. Or care.

Hey, Thoughtty - my latest KiSS doll-in-progress includes a blast from our mutual past.

WHOO, SPACE GHOST!
That'sss... funny and odd at the same time ;)

Oh, Susan's a RR ripoff? I didn't watch many of Disney's TV toons all that closely, so I totally missed the Gadget connection ;)

Hey, Bill, while reading David Buckley’s Bowie bio, Strange Fascination, I encountered the following nugget o' gold, which I had to pass along to my favorite Eno fan in hopes he hadn’t heard about it already. From pg. 300:

“Although plastered in makeup, Eno went down in rock folklore for allegedly sustaining a collapsed lung after a 30-hour shagging session with six women. It’s amazing it was only a collapsed lung.”

I suspect that we now all know the REAL reason he's your hero, and it ain't due to his musical endeavours, now, is it? Or at the very least...this kinda puts that rib injury you had a while back into a whole different perspective, doesn't it? :)

Edited by author 11-19-2005 12:58 AM
New Scarlet
Rated Mature because....well...someone's being a pee pee boy.....I'm definitely going to get a yellow card from the mods for this one.
...please tell me he didn't just say 'pee-pee boy'...

Oh. Oooooh Davey, you SHAMEFUL BOY, making a pee joke... and he sounds so PROUD in his expectation that he'll get a warning from the Mods. You'd think he'd depicted multiple golden showers the way he's going on.
Especially amusing when you read the first comment - by himself:And like I said, The Powers that Be? If you need something changing, let me know and I'll do so! I just need the curtesy before you bring out that Explanation Mark.
Can you hear crickets? I sure can....

DA has new submissions coming in by the dozens every second. The only way the Mods will know is if it gets reported as a violation by a vigilent observer.
When your urine reference is so pathetic that it wouldn't even make Romper Room, you've hit a new low.

Back to the actual strip:
Petty crims who hold up convenience stores make America's Most Wanted now?
And we use our loot to run a website that specializes in art theft, cartoon porn, homemade vandalism films and Mary Sue fics
Oh my, it's a complete list of Davey's Favourite Fetishes!

Is the thief being interrogated by Special Agent Pizza Delivery Boy?
Horrible 'commission' sketch of Cinderella. WTF is commissioning him??
If anyone hasn't checked Foxfire boards lately, Davey has a new fwiend. Someone who is so OTT in their praise of him and his stuff that I suspect it's a sockpuppet...

Edited by author 11-19-2005 01:55 AM
The Davey link didn't work for me. I got stuck at the "Adult" warning. Given that someone's being a pee pee boy, I guess that you can't get through it without being a really old adult who is wearing Depends.

that Explanation Mark

That Explanation Mark! HE WAS AWESOME!!! There was Beakman's World, and there was Bill Nye the Science Guy, and then there was Explanation Mark! He explained everything. Like how Salmon "Geddy Lee" Rush almost got kilt by time-traveling Nazis fighting Batman and the "24" guy in that cartoon of my old roommates that I said I hated! I LOVE TORTURE and I have to pee-ee-ee!
Any hot chicks dressed in fox suits want to spank the naughty peeboy? HMMM?

Horrible 'commission' sketch of Cinderella

GAHHH!!! Why is her head exploding at the mouth?!?!
Mouth! Head! Explode!
GAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

I broke out the dipping ink and the inking nibs for this particular project, since I've been paid wery handsomely in advance, and are planning to color it on the next stage.

Wery hadsomely does DaWey's commsions pay! Be wery, wery quiet--I are hunting spellchecks!

Somoeone wants a hard copy of a Davey work.
Yes, you read that right.
Someone has decided that he's someday going to be the next Henry Darger.
He's investing in Davey's future worth.
Are we missing out on a golden opportunity to buy Davey's art so that he can buy groceries, and then sell it when he's...well, either famous, institutionalised, or still at McD's?

edit:
wery

I mistype all the time too, but W and V are a whole four keys away from each other. That's not a typo. That's like trying to brake your car by kicking the radio.

That "Darwin on a frying pan" thing looks more like Leonardo Da Vinci to me....

Bill: try this
I tried it on my not-logged-in IE and it worked fine

I'm in Bill's boat-- the link just brings up a cute little FORBIDDEN AREA mascot. And oddly, there's a strict limit to how hard I'm going to work to see something Gontling Bland drew. You know, in roughly 25 years of monkeying around with calligraphy, I've never once called it "Dipping Ink". I wonder if he's using Barbeque or Honey-Mustard?

Wery

Hmmm. Could it be that Davey was bitten by a rabid Trekkie during the last full moon, and is slowly becoming that most hideous creature, the WereChekov?

Edited by author 11-19-2005 06:33 AM
Orright, forget the main link. But it IS worth it, so I'll put up a mirror copy:
Not a stupid png file, either.

Edit: Wow, Ernst... never thought I'd see a Beatrix Potter ref on here. Especially in connection with Gont ;)

... How the bloody hell is THAT worthy of being under lock and key? Those awful "and I don't have to go right now" ads have more "mature" content than that thing! Geh....

Edited by author 11-19-2005 11:32 AM
Oh, sheesh.

Yes, I know that applies to most of Davey's work, but yeesh. This reminds me of when we were managing AOL's cartoon forum archives, and he wanted to reject a certain drawing for violating AOL's TOS for decency. What was the problem? Slight nipple-bump under a shirt.

I've never understood what the problem is that people have with nipple-bump, anyway. Of course, I have a sufficiently large chest that I find even BARELY padded bras to be insanely uncomfortable and generally odd-looking...

On an even more off-topic note... Mimina-sama! What on earth ever happened to all the funnies that you had on your website a couple of years back? The Sanrio Files and the Japanese wedding dresses and the really strange advertising and all that fun stuff? Any chance it'll ever come back? *does her best to give you a pleading look and fails miserably*

Fal-chan - yeah, they've been offline for a while now.
It IS my full intention to put it all back online at mimisgrotto.com... when I get the time ;)

The only thing I may NOT put back up are the Japanese wedding dresses. My best friend's wife is Japanese and saw those once and I think she's not liked me much since - big stupid ignorant gaijin mocking her culture sorta thing 9_9
Which is a bitch, because my friend gets along with my husband like a house on fire, so it's her distance that prevents us from doing a lot more social stuff together.

Re: Davey's commision: Someone actually paid him to draw? For a child? Doesn't that violate some kind of child abuse law?

Oh, and pee pee boy? Thirteen year old boys would think that's childish. And then he blatantly admits he stole the joke from a Batman cartoon. Yeesh.

Bill said:
Are we missing out on a golden opportunity to buy Davey's art so that he can buy groceries, and then sell it when he's...well, either famous, institutionalised, or still at McD's?

I'm hoping he'll become some postmodern icon, like Henry Darger or something. But we have to wait until he dies. Crazy people are only geniuses after they die.

Negaduck said:
This reminds me of when we were managing AOL's cartoon forum archives, and he wanted to reject a certain drawing for violating AOL's TOS for decency. What was the problem? Slight nipple-bump under a shirt.

That's ironic, considering the amount of nipple-age Davey puts into his work.

I had to stare at the strip a couple of times before I even understood what was happening. Yeah, that's "graphic."

That's ironic, considering the amount of nipple-age Davey puts into his work.

Ironic? Sounds more like a power trip. "I can get you thrown off AOL, you know!"

It IS my full intention to put it all back online at mimisgrotto.com... when I get the time ;)
Hoooray! I always used to poke around them when I was bored, they were so much fun.

... although I have to say, I don't really see how you making fun of strange-looking wedding dresses is all that culturally insensitive. But ah well. God knows that there are enough strange-looking wedding dresses designed for sale in America.

I guess it WAS worth all Mimi's effort to get a new sound effect out of the Fierce Bad Artist (there-- 2 BP refs in as many days!). His take on offensive material reminds me of my belief that underage drinkers were apt to do stiff jail time; this belief persisted until I was almost 12.

Edited by author 11-21-2005 02:04 AM
DUDES! I AM SO USING THE 'NETS AT HOME!

Yeah, i finally got a phone line and 'net connection. the amusing part? i'm connected to the world at the mind-numbing speed of... 17k!! that's right, i'm even slower than 28.8k! i blame the fact that my house isn't hard wired to the phone network yet.

Davey's commision: Someone actually paid him to draw? For a child? Doesn't that violate some kind of child abuse law?

Furthermore, It's supposed to make a child feel BETTER about using glasses! as it is, it'll give the poor girl image issues, and will make her hate Cinderella, her glasses, and whoever asked for the comission for her, at the very least. now, artwork that has that kinda power is... daunting, at least.

Furthermore, It's supposed to make a child feel BETTER about using glasses! as it is, it'll give the poor girl image issues, and will make her hate Cinderella, her glasses, and whoever asked for the comission for her, at the very least.

If I were less secure in my wearing glasses and I received a drawing like that, I'd spork my eyes.

If there's anyone who can make glasses look cool, it's Austin Powers. But I'd hate to see Davey's rendition of one of my favorite goofy spies--oh, crap, I just thought of a horrible parody.

Oh, man, what a week. I've been exchanging emails with my "informant" and sharing stories about our mutual... friend.

And then I get an email from said "friend." Guys, this email was both infuriating and hilarious. It was like reading urple Gonterman prose--only three times worse. The girl tried to guilt trip me, chastise me, and praise me all at once. It was unbelievable.

Here's a taste:

We were both children. . . children growing up in a world where we felt we were different, and the whole world was either out to get us, or out to become us in the form of stealing from us. You were only 16 or so when I
found you, and as the naive, impressionable child I was, I became enchanted with your work, and personality as well. . . in layman's terms: you had a unique drawing style, a good sense of humour, cute characters, and a "I'll
be myself, world, whether you like it or not" attitude. I wanted to be just like you.

*falls forward laughing, hitting her forehead on the edge of the desk*

I've never been both pissed AND entertained at the same time--I never thought such a thing was possible! *wipes away the blood running into her eyes* If you want to read the rest, tell me. If not, it doesn't matter. *snerk*

If you want to read the rest, tell me.

Yeah, sure, highlights would be great!
Maybe we could fix her up with Davey! (Except that she'd have to use smaller words...)

"I'll
be myself, world, whether you like it or not" attitude. I wanted to be just like you.

Someone is Unclear on the Concept!

Oh, but Bill, didn't you know? The only way to be yourself is to be just like everyone else! Especially good is when you can be just like everyone else thinks you should be!

Fal-Chan, I want to be a nonconformist! Just like YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
And I'm considered a loner. I have 20 friends just like me who'll back me up on that.
We'll all be at Chili's on Friday, if you want to join our circle of total loner nonconformishness.
Wear something red!

Oh no, Bill, you've always been my role model in nonconformity! Plus, I don't think I can fit any more noncomformist group meetings into my schedule....