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moxieman
05-21-2013
01:54 AM ET (US)
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getting there, that's true in an individual office, but not nationally. If there are no PTF's in an office, but there's a CCA, the CCA will be converted. (After May 24th) It doesn't matter if the office the next town over has 10 PTF's.
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getting there
05-20-2013
09:16 PM ET (US)
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PTF's will be converted first because they are already career, and the contract says so. CCA's are not career and wont be until they are converted
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Jeanne
05-20-2013
02:15 PM ET (US)
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I heard a rumor today that the PTF carriers in Chicago were all been converted today can anyone deny or confirm that rumor
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almost retired
05-20-2013
10:57 AM ET (US)
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Hey So.Tired. If you have vacant routes in your office and you are a PTF they have no choice but to convert you. There is no holding open routes unless you are under withholding and I don't believe any one is anymore. If you aren't file a grievance to get converted and ask for it to be retroactive to when the position became available.
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moxieman
05-20-2013
09:38 AM ET (US)
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/m8578 egark, I'm not sure what the intention of the national officers were in signing the recent MOU's regarding PTF transfers, but it would make sense that they would be interested in getting these PTF's in small offices working scanty hours converted to regular before converting the CCA's in offices where there are no PTF's. After May 24th, the CCA's can be converted. The CCA's (the ones that were formally TE's) are upset because they feel they have been dealt a 6 dollar an hour pay cut. (in reality the NALC saved their jobs because they would have just been shown the door). The CCA's (some of whom have stated this opinion on this forum) feel that it's not fair that they should have to wait for some career employee to come in and "jump" them (I know CCA's don't have seniority, but they will once converted) when they have been dealt a perceived 6-dollar an hour pay cut.
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Hondo1
05-19-2013
10:46 PM ET (US)
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It will be very interesting over the next three years as the end of the current contract approaches and as we know all PTFs are supposed to be converted by the end of that contract.Common sense would dictate that management would want to convert each PTF ASAP so as to not have to scramble to find fulltime positions for those still unconverted by the end of the contract.I have wondered many times over the past six or seven years when so many of us were wrongfully denied conversion to FT Regular were bonuses offered to POOMs,Postmasters,etc to not convert us.I do not know the answer to this.A second part to that question-if the answer is yes-is:Are bonuses still being offered to not convert PTFs to fulltime?Perhaps somebody who comes on this site can answer these questions.
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So.tired
05-19-2013
10:44 PM ET (US)
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Tell me guys what does the contract say about conversions in general. You know the part that has been in the contract time and time again. Something like route comes vacant senior flex converted. Yet we wait years and years to get converted and we hear be patient be glad you have a job bluh bluh bluh. Of course this comes from people who are regulars and maybe in there day waited less then a year to get converted. New contract says by end of contract all ptf's converted. We all get that but new contract did not delete old section that says vacant rte senior flex converted. I would understand if no rte was open for me but there is 2 and one is a t6.
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Jeanne
05-19-2013
10:12 PM ET (US)
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He. Can use wop
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egark  05-19-2013
08:48 PM ET (US)
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ptf815 /m8580 -- what happens when A/L runs out?
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ptf815
05-19-2013
08:45 PM ET (US)
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im in a 2 route office with one aux route...there is 2 regulars and 2 ptf carriers. they converted the other ptf to regular months ago and there is no assignment in this small office.. they have not excessed him and the union says there is no plans on doing so.. now im down to 20 hrs a week because they have to use the unassigned regular before me..finishes 6 hr aux route and takes a/l and goes home...will not sit on standby prob because he doesn't want to be excessed...so screwed up...
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RIKSNY 05-19-2013
08:34 PM ET (US)
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/m8577 And also no point in getting hung up on fair/not fair. What counts is what's written.
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egark 05-19-2013
08:23 PM ET (US)
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moxieman /m8576 -- why would the CCAs be converted first? Why are they upset?
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getting there
05-19-2013
08:22 PM ET (US)
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I agree with egark. You must read the contract and understand what it says. Too many people misinterpret it. Don't add or take away from it, just take it for what it says
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moxieman
05-19-2013
08:12 PM ET (US)
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feelingshafted and so.tired, I understand where you're coming from but you have to understand the union can't just wave a magic wand and change things overnight. The entire process going to arbitration, under ideal conditions, takes up to 63 days just to be heard at arbitration. Then you have to deal with some lawyer who could take another month or two to make a decision. There are time limit extensions due to stewards, branch presidents, supervisors, or managers on vacation. There are snaffus in information requests. It's an imperfect system, but it's better than no system at all. You are going to get converted... believe me. We had all 5 PTF's in my office converted within the last 4 months, but it took about 2 or 3 months for each PTF to be converted due to paperwork processing at the district level. And this is in a situation where management did not contend Art. 12 withholding. The MOU's are about allowing PTF's (who in some offices, like very small ones, getting scanty hours) to become regular by transferring in to offices with residual vacancies. If not for the MOU's, CCAs would be converted first. Many CCA's are upset about this but we want to convert PTF's who have been members longer, many of whom, like I said, have worked scanty hours for years. Please take a look at this chart to educate yourselves as to how the grievance arbitration procedure works. It's not magic. It takes time. http://www.nalc.org/depart/cau/pdf/drp/art15chart.pdf
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egark 05-19-2013
08:01 PM ET (US)
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Feelingshafted /m8574 -- no, the "concrete language" is that PTFs will be converted BY THE END OF THE CONTRACT. Don't leave stuff out and then claim this is what the contract says. That is what management does. (Hmmm, maybe that is your future.) Since the contract has not been violated, what do you think the union should do? Edited 05-19-2013 08:10 PM
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Feelingshafted
05-19-2013
05:43 PM ET (US)
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There you go again so.tired Your playing the right music again. All us remaining P.T.F's are being told to remain patient???????????? That's the answers we receive from union officials after all that time. That's not an answer. That's just a brush off. Like you; there are open positions available in my office as well. We also have concrete wording in the contract that states P.T.F's be converted to regular. Where's the action from our union? Edited 05-19-2013 05:55 PM
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