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Hondo1
05-19-2013
10:46 PM ET (US)
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It will be very interesting over the next three years as the end of the current contract approaches and as we know all PTFs are supposed to be converted by the end of that contract.Common sense would dictate that management would want to convert each PTF ASAP so as to not have to scramble to find fulltime positions for those still unconverted by the end of the contract.I have wondered many times over the past six or seven years when so many of us were wrongfully denied conversion to FT Regular were bonuses offered to POOMs,Postmasters,etc to not convert us.I do not know the answer to this.A second part to that question-if the answer is yes-is:Are bonuses still being offered to not convert PTFs to fulltime?Perhaps somebody who comes on this site can answer these questions.
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So.tired
05-19-2013
10:44 PM ET (US)
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Tell me guys what does the contract say about conversions in general. You know the part that has been in the contract time and time again. Something like route comes vacant senior flex converted. Yet we wait years and years to get converted and we hear be patient be glad you have a job bluh bluh bluh. Of course this comes from people who are regulars and maybe in there day waited less then a year to get converted. New contract says by end of contract all ptf's converted. We all get that but new contract did not delete old section that says vacant rte senior flex converted. I would understand if no rte was open for me but there is 2 and one is a t6.
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Jeanne
05-19-2013
10:12 PM ET (US)
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He. Can use wop
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egark  05-19-2013
08:48 PM ET (US)
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ptf815 /m8580 -- what happens when A/L runs out?
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ptf815
05-19-2013
08:45 PM ET (US)
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im in a 2 route office with one aux route...there is 2 regulars and 2 ptf carriers. they converted the other ptf to regular months ago and there is no assignment in this small office.. they have not excessed him and the union says there is no plans on doing so.. now im down to 20 hrs a week because they have to use the unassigned regular before me..finishes 6 hr aux route and takes a/l and goes home...will not sit on standby prob because he doesn't want to be excessed...so screwed up...
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RIKSNY 05-19-2013
08:34 PM ET (US)
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/m8577 And also no point in getting hung up on fair/not fair. What counts is what's written.
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egark 05-19-2013
08:23 PM ET (US)
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moxieman /m8576 -- why would the CCAs be converted first? Why are they upset?
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getting there
05-19-2013
08:22 PM ET (US)
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I agree with egark. You must read the contract and understand what it says. Too many people misinterpret it. Don't add or take away from it, just take it for what it says
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moxieman
05-19-2013
08:12 PM ET (US)
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feelingshafted and so.tired, I understand where you're coming from but you have to understand the union can't just wave a magic wand and change things overnight. The entire process going to arbitration, under ideal conditions, takes up to 63 days just to be heard at arbitration. Then you have to deal with some lawyer who could take another month or two to make a decision. There are time limit extensions due to stewards, branch presidents, supervisors, or managers on vacation. There are snaffus in information requests. It's an imperfect system, but it's better than no system at all. You are going to get converted... believe me. We had all 5 PTF's in my office converted within the last 4 months, but it took about 2 or 3 months for each PTF to be converted due to paperwork processing at the district level. And this is in a situation where management did not contend Art. 12 withholding. The MOU's are about allowing PTF's (who in some offices, like very small ones, getting scanty hours) to become regular by transferring in to offices with residual vacancies. If not for the MOU's, CCAs would be converted first. Many CCA's are upset about this but we want to convert PTF's who have been members longer, many of whom, like I said, have worked scanty hours for years. Please take a look at this chart to educate yourselves as to how the grievance arbitration procedure works. It's not magic. It takes time. http://www.nalc.org/depart/cau/pdf/drp/art15chart.pdf
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egark 05-19-2013
08:01 PM ET (US)
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Feelingshafted /m8574 -- no, the "concrete language" is that PTFs will be converted BY THE END OF THE CONTRACT. Don't leave stuff out and then claim this is what the contract says. That is what management does. (Hmmm, maybe that is your future.) Since the contract has not been violated, what do you think the union should do? Edited 05-19-2013 08:10 PM
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Feelingshafted
05-19-2013
05:43 PM ET (US)
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There you go again so.tired Your playing the right music again. All us remaining P.T.F's are being told to remain patient???????????? That's the answers we receive from union officials after all that time. That's not an answer. That's just a brush off. Like you; there are open positions available in my office as well. We also have concrete wording in the contract that states P.T.F's be converted to regular. Where's the action from our union? Edited 05-19-2013 05:55 PM
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So.tired
05-19-2013
05:30 PM ET (US)
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23/// my office has been holding 2 positions one being a t6 position. I think about 3 years now. Well I have grievance, it's at step b but they're expecting to go to abirtration. Union pres tells me and steward we just need to be patient. I guess 10 years isn't long enough. We have this MOU that keeps getting extended yet here I am still a ptf and there is a t6 spot open. MOU is BS!!!
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23
05-19-2013
05:11 PM ET (US)
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What are these mou's about improper withholding about they keep extending them are ptfs suppose to be converted sooner because of improper witholdings (t-6 positions )
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Me
05-19-2013
09:21 AM ET (US)
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21yrptf... i know PO can hold a position for a 204B to come back for only so long... 4months???? then they have to come back and work their job for so long and then can go back to being 204B... if they don't come back and do their bid job they lose it... Check with your steward....
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Feelingshafted
05-19-2013
07:55 AM ET (US)
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That's exactly what I see happening too so.tired 8567. That's why I'm on my local presidents case about the situation. Instead I'm left out in the cold seaching for the answers. WHY? Like you said; I also see not being thought of until new negotiations of the contract ending in 2016. After that there will another long drawn out process maybe 2 to 3 years then finally I'll be made regular. Hogwash! I am seeing now more care given to the c.c.a.'s then the people that have been grinding out as p.t.f's. I'm trying to get information or action from higher ranking officials in the union that are IN THEIR WORDS; making sure all p.t.f's are converted. I'm also posting here in hopes one of those officials view this or, the other posts from my fellow p.t.f. brother and sisters. We are long overdue of your assistance and thoughts. Take care of us FIRST instead of these new off the street people.
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tired of all this
05-18-2013
11:03 PM ET (US)
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23. According to supervisor Yes!!! We had to call Portland yesterday and get the paperwork processed, and it is in process. Vacation for the person who deals with it. So unofficially I am regular. Still won't believe it until that Form 50 shows up.
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