now what should we be doing.... My site is done until I can figure out how to add css pages. Yoiu guys able to do it. We can add any cresent , fertile or not anytime...

really need to spell out what is due on the eev site...after our discussion with Bette last night about crispness and succintness and clear message to invite our viewers in...I started to think about it in terms of fertile crescent (art, music, writing) and wrote a little intro perhaps for the enter page??

I have been working on my personal site, refining our why etc. and overseeing the online conversation about Multiple Intelligences. Join us if you have a moment. Bette emailed you all the links. It would be great to hear from some more artists about the subject of multiple intelligences. Dawn, we missed you last week. Meeting Saturday?

check local email so I can yell at you both...I will be around and divide up juobs sounds fine..... Give me a task. My suggestions will be sent via email in 3 seconds.... love you both

I have been working on completly changing my site, the video will have to be finished on another computer, I am in the process of looking for another but not sure when I will get it. this week I will be in class till about six, I have a school play that I am doing the scenery and costume, so I will be leaving for that.

see you after school. I like the way we worked when we divided up the jobs the last time and then came back together. Dawn, will you be here over the April break? Bruce I know you are, correct?

ok maybe not????

ok ...maybe Sunday?

I vote my house////

sounds good afternoon sat 3 ish?

hey guys check in...I have the writing edited..this weekend is a must for us to meet Saturday or Sunday your call

good meeting last Wednesday...I see light at the end of the tunnel..can't wait for technology time next Wednesday...great help from you guys, thanks

I have got all the writing done for he who, what where, why, etc.

I had thought we were getting the video created the first time we went to the PK house. so we probaly dont need it. we can just add our own video else where. I wont have it ready by tomorrow though. and fri i will be going to florida till sun night, so im hoping to get alot done by fri.

If you guys go to our site we have a page that says" visit the pk house with us. Do we have pictures and videos we want to put in or do we throw this site out the window. We orginally intended this to be a place for virtual reality.

it sounds that way from the list of things we need done. but I figured if we have one for the galleries it could also be for our intro.

do we need an explaination clip?

who is going to be in the clip explaining our site.
or should it be a voice over to the movie for places of interest clips?

hello

Im trying to do a 30 sec video with my digital camera since i dont have a video camera. I think ill try the same thing for the gallery page. i seem to have lost my portfolio site. I changed the name of it and now the symbol next to it has changed, to a I dont know what, and now it wont work, i would ask on the tech qt but i dont even know what the symbol is!!!

just spoke to Linda about it. We think it is Not too much. Souunds great. I have been multitasdking too much so although I shot video I have not tried to USB it to the school Pc and then transfer it to my MAc yet. I have made a site for the kids - my Adv. Photo class, Check it out Particularly since too much is the issue. I've gone crazy and need suggestions. Go thru the A&W site to me and seek out pgs and teaching(edifice0 travel thru the lessons to ADV. photo. It already sounds to hard to do.

hello hello,

Well we have the ideas and focus, I've been working on the galleries page for our inpiration page. I went to the workshop on sat. I have to get an external harddrive in order to do the video, my computer seemed to move really slow when using movie maker. I think it would be good if we had a small video in our site. what if it was video of certain places then some stills put in of the different galleries and venues from watermill to montauk? too much?

well ladies our wiki idea isn't working. It was great meeting with you all but in retrospect that idea session although productive (thanks -great wine and food Linda) was not enough. To many distractions with family and phone. Next time Public House! We need a next time to open various windows and once and for all GROUP FIX! We could also finish up those ibnterviews. One more afternoon? Hey no more phone and emails use this thing! lets get the habit going again

the teamos say wikis are great I don't see it. But if it helps us communicate ,edit , brainstorm ...let go for it?

I need help with the grant situation and trying to write a proposel to get dreamweaver and a station in my class to help some special needs kids and and introduce a website and virtual gallery. time is ripe but I HAVE NO TIME!!!!!!!!

still in class on wed. night...I think the site is looking great and possibilties are emerging. I see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Hello,

sorry to have missed the presentation wed. I would have loved to see it. I will be in class wed. my family is leaving or florida tomorrow :( tough weekend. I doooo agree with the Zen syle site. we can still use the flash elements as we go. pool party next summer!!!!!

you did a greatjob in class on wed. with your presentation...can't buy or teach enthusiasm... and that all came through. Your love of art and art history and your new found knowledge of technology was great to behold. that's what our site has to convey..I'll look at pgs..later

glad your on board I have been wanting to dump the desk and stuff since we put it. Presentation Zen is it!!!!
look at my pgs and tell me what you think.
As for the stne work.... it is my wife who worries me.She seems sweet but she isw tough as nails....

next wednesday night all ehms teachers are at parent conferences..we will be arriving late remember?

clean lines, beauty, simplicity, think zen presentation for powerpoint..then why shouldn't there be zen presentation for websites? and would it not be self deafeating if our website which celebrates artistic place, be overloaded with things and not artistic at all. I recall being at a meeting once for the development of the broadcast of the Emmy awards. The emmy is presented to television communication of quality, but the ratings for watching the show were in the basement. Irony? Those who were producing a tv show about the best in tv could not attract viewers because their show was boring, repetitive, long-winded, . OK, what does this have to do with our website? Well, if we are creating a site about the arts...then it should be beautiful. Yeah, I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but you two ARE ARTISTS go with your artistic instincts...and stop worrying about the swimming pool and the patio. Come next summer you should invite ALL of TEAM and the teachers for a party around your pool to celebrate our graduations!

I drank a lot of coffee ...I'm sick and tired of being broke...I want to get/be in my studio.... I hate rocks and masonary work.... I want sleep surf and to get fat!!!!!!
I also want to lose the stupid ditzy stuff on our site... like the desk and fire and other things on our site...STOP ME!!!!!!! ADVISE ME before I hit PUT!!!! I'm cleaning house.... I do admitt i hate to lose the flash elements cause they were so hard to make.... maybe they should go too???????

I finally got a leadership log!!!!!!! Public house meeting weds next week.

hello
I will be in class for the presentations but will leave at 5 I think, I have to see if I have enough time. If not Linda I can get the questions from you by email.

ok I was out interviewing kids like I explained last week. I will be responsible for the middle grades, Dawn elementary and Bruce high school. I designed a set of questions about their participation in the arts..we can use this as a part of the site...I'll show you wed.

I would like to see the fogged idea, it will take away from the image i think but it may give us the vision we want.

all those ideas. We can take the Pollock TIle job of A&W and cut most of it. Simplify. make it foged or trnsparent?

Wow, you really hit the look we were talking about for the changes we want to make to the collab. so how do you think we should go about changing it? I still think we should try to take what we have and just try adjusting the darkness, lighten it up a bit before we try to do a complete overhaul. Maybe remove a few things to simplify it. I dont know, but I definatly like the pg/s you did!!

http://eev2.liu.edu/ee0406/BL/aboutmeIndex.htm

 Hey you team babes- check out my PG/S.... light airy ,,,da bomb.
I'm so proud not bad for your loser team mate....oh yea!

we should invent a puzzle good idea. no it has not been high on my list but I should check it out . tell me about it.
LINDA/BOSS- Here is my leadership log! Make up a few questions that we should ask students and artists for the video conf.

Hey have either of you been able to get the puzzel flash, I think it would be good to have on a page for students.

I'm awake, I'm awake...I've been checking out the different sites and find that many of the ones I like are very comfy cozy, easy to look at, and easy to see what information they have to offer. I dont think we have to go with white but maybe a pale blue, very pale. I will be at the high school monday morning, I'll stop by. I doo think we should rework our colors, maybe even use what we have but change the brightness, make it more subdued
well I'll try to put the ones I was looking at on delicious

hey bruce- What do you think of what bruce said? Lets meet with Bruce and talk. At my house? no mine? Ok Bruce? see ya Bruce.
When we all wake up we have to try to finish this thing!

check this out too...it is real fast. http://www.designfirms.org/awards/?archive...=2005&month=January

I can't find the site Faye once gave me to view web design hoitshots, I googled my butt off but....
This sites' winners are dark and flash filled. The other trend seems to be light airy and elegant. (art Museums except for the MET)

Edited by author 11-04-2005 06:05 AM
tonight FRIDAY? or did I check in too late? http://www.avatarnewyork.com/casestudies/yamaha
a web site to check out for design simplicity. I have delicioused more so check them. Mostly Art Museums. I am systematically going to art museums, then artists, then musicians....they seem to have the hippppppest site designs.
copy>paste "Blieb behind the delious heading

Email is what im used to but i've have problems getting to this page, I've been getting a sorry not available page. i can get to it now from my computer at school. Bruce tonight sounds good to me.

we are getting more done by email, but I believe Dr. Bette said she needs to see the progress in this format..are we together on this?

Anyday but tuesday my house my wine?

Dawn and Bruce we need to hold an emergency meeting pronto about our collaboration. Let's agree on time and place How about this weekend?

or low gearr..... my favorite gearr

think we need to get it in a higherr gear.

Linda stole all her ideas from me...but Monday or tuesday is good. My house Monnday since I will be Peckin with Kyle. what ever you guys want

hey all

I wasnt able to do the artist tour, Bruce how did it go?
Linda, the ideas sound great! How about we meet next Mon or tues before class? I will be away for the weekend, but I really feel we could get a lot done outside of class. I feel out of the loop not being able to talk with ya Bruce on a daily basis. I'm working on a page with student work. still!

Did anyone go on the artists' alliance tour of studios this weekend? Hey Dawn, are you there? What do you think of the design of a new web page as entry, and what I wrote to Bruce a message or so ago?

i love your ideas! sounds like a great new approach that ties in nicely with the site as a whole
p.s. you two are a riot!

thanks

oh boy your good

It seems when you listen and look at everything we have discussed in the past, recurrent themes reappear, as we mentioned Wednesday night. First and foremost is the CREATIVE PROCESS itself, secondly is the ENVIRONMENT which supports and nourishes such processes.This naturally leads us to our home, our locale, the East End. I have become very interested in what provokes and promotes creativity, whether it be any art or craft. The literature speaks of artistic creativity ( the obvious ones; fine art, music, writing) as a special process. What we seem to be interested in is how our home has impacted individuals to be creative. A completely new page (I believe) should be designed and then link out to our previous work. Creativity is the key, artistic expression is the opening door.

sleek and elegent entry. then spider web off . that my vote

hey dawn sorry we didn't get a chance to connect in class tonight. i am interested in seeing your kids art work. if you create a page in dreamweaver of some of their work i will do the same with some of mine and then we can set up a quicktopic connecting them. is that something you'd be interesting in doing?

Hello all,
So how do we want to title our new index page? should the links to other groups sites be on it? I' have some pictures of student work started I was wondering what we might want from them to say or write.

Linda's interview was grEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by author 09-25-2005 09:51 PM
just imagine is also doing life stories and poetry. we are talking about interviews and getting a camera. we have a few people in mind. nancy has a camera. meg's talking about borrowing one from the school. we're moving forward with little baby steps. any advice you can give us linda? since your interview of bruce was quite well done. was that you behind the camera?
linda, did i see a film festival ticket office set up on north main street today? are you involved this year? any link for that in your artist writers website?

all story telling whether narrative, poetic, personal, etc. through digital and voiceover would be appropriate and wonderful....hi Jeannine

 Jeannine-
Digital diary is a picture story. In video form or slide form but voice over or text -the written or spoken word is part of the presentation-
I am and have been trying to get permission to view all the other difgital phot sites to allow acess for my students to that format. Posting images on our site is no problem...need permission.

still lurking.....
what's a digital diary bruce?
what do think about trying to post some student work to a site and link up our kids dawn?
hi linda!

Edited by author 09-23-2005 04:16 AM
review- what we discussed wed.- Notes
Our choices:
1-***combine the sites PK and the camp linda experience.Perhaps with a new index page? To combine looks or enter into bpth sites.

I have to EMAIL FAYE ASKING FOR DREAMWEAVER PAGES of the camp site so we can add change and use it.

OR
Throw out one idea/page?

2A-
add Video-
- we have 7 hours of video. We need to do more taking pictures and interviews
else should we do……
one hour lunch- wine

2B- Add kids pages ( of course linking to the Meg site.-
- Develop more for kids drawing or playing ,post d-igital storysimpact artistic live s
-kids gallery


3-Virutal PollockKRas house what happened to footage shot?
EMAIL BETTY

 use Flash where? Kids?
Flash - words that scroll down
Flash animation for kids

I am sold on digital diaries! Wonderful oppoirtunity. Much beter then just a powerpoint. How to? Can't be hard. Lets talk

hi Dawn...so glad you are with us...we will catch up tomorrow night in class. I agree with Bruce that the work should be multi-leveled. I think we need to sit in one big circle tomorrow and figure this out once and for all...until then...

Hey guys,
sorry I've been MIA I really need to get together with you guys to catch up. I cant wait to see you in class and see whats up. I talked with Jeannine on Mon. during my open house, wow she gave me great ideas to help me out with my new position. So much to talk about. again reeeealy sorry but I'm ready to catch up!!!!!!!

but who cartes....Now lets talk colab!!! We need to meet outside of class?

all good with me.... just want to make sure whatever we do is multi leveled. Community , HS, and mid, .....based not just lower levels . So I can stay interested.
By the by I was just asked to donate for some holiday show. Heres my response( idid not mail it yet)

Janice,

Thank you for asking me to participate in the Holiday exhibition. I would love to help. I'm not sure this is the way that I feel comfortable with.
I was just thinking and talking about Ron Pisano and the Museum. He was a champion and believed in my work. I have warm feelings regarding Bill, Ron, Fred Baker, the Museum, Gallery North, Stony Brook and the whole nine yards. So it is tempting.

I am asked to contribute to auctions and benefits once a month always with promises
that I will meet people , go to the opening and have such a wonderful time. It has never been the case and ultimately the event is thankless and allows the rich to buy my Art at a cheap rate. I sold only one painting last year it has been very hard. So I am not to fond of the concept. Although I would love to help the Museum and want to. I donate to charities only when I feel I can truly make a difference. I will not benefit from this and worse I will feel diminished as an Artist. I am not interested in being a "b list" participant. If I donate work I expect to be on the "A list," So inclusion in the Saturday Black tie dinner, and any and all events is a given as a form of respect. It seems that sometimes this is all artist have.

In the future if there is an opportunity to help. Let me know. An opportunity that the Museum and Bruce might actual both benefit from or at least I can give knowing that my life's work is really appreciated and cared about.

Very Sincerely,

 Bruce Lieberman

Edited by author 09-19-2005 09:22 PM
i second that linda!
ps i talked to dawn and she hasn't abandoned you or the project. she's been moving had open house tonight and is teaching at a new level so she has been really tied up but will be in class this week. i talked to her about the art link between our two schools (more in the just imagine quicktopic) we'll see what happens....just throwing around ideas

PS HOW DARE THEY ASK YOU TO PAY ADMISSION, BRUCE, WHEN YOU DONATED A PAINTING.

ok, listening in on this and, in my humble opinion, I think because we seemed to have "lost" 50% of our original group (Lauren and Dawn?), I think we should take Meg and Jeannine's idea and be an offshoot of Just Imagine (Just Impressed) so to speak. The camp format could be a natural link and we could continue with the gathering and research. I believe the stories could be told in different tech formats. We just happened to chose video while interviewing our candidates because we only had 7 hours to drive around and get all the shots. Meg,Nancy et al what if our kids produced digital and video stories in class about artists who were (historical) and are (a la Bruce) still being lured and impressed (impacted) by this place?

your comments were great. I am a sloppy business man.Cavalier.
The titles of the other groups seem to be logical connective avenues. I am not saying anything new but we need as a group to sit down and decide what to do, best case, and then start trying to get it done, We can link to other groups but we need to sit down together first. Linda - yopu have lots of ideas so lets get them on paper. I vote Public House!!! or my porch.
Cyrils, Shangwongs?

I am the last one to understand or make any comments on art since I can not draw a straight line with a ruler but, maybe that is a little aspect that you could take in the process about how few and far between get the respect necessary. I am sorry you missed the luau, it would have been fun to party with you! (I completely understand and had I known, I would have boycotted also!)

I love the Hedi stuff. Your right,,,the tip of the iceberg. So lets get on it. I wanted to meet Gidget but

 I had an isue with donating work to the museum and then being asked to pay to go to the party. So I boycotted. Sometimes these things happen to artists. Always asked to give to benefits , auctions that allow the rich to buy art for nothing. If the cause is somethng we care about I do it but there is protocal and respect. Artists never benefit indirectly or directly from these rhings. Period! except for karma points.

Edited by author 09-18-2005 05:37 PM
Another lurker.... I know that this summer I went to the luau at the whaling museum where Bruce had an amazing painting he had done, and the real Gidget was there. I talked to her for a bit and although she is not an artist (although some might argue that) she did make me feel like there was this real "cult" type of a situation between the surfers and the area. I say this because of two reasons..1- I know Bruce is big into both, and 2- there is more and more (and was for years before) this huge "cult" of artists that have used this area for inspiration and/or to get away from their work in the city. Linda-your camp site is amazing, but only a tip of the iceberg as far as the depth of the impact artists have had. Maybe that could be a starting point for what is to come.

Ok, almost done with my local-yocal stuff. Since my family was one of the first ever in Sag Harbor, I have heard all of the stories about it changing. There was a while back, (I am awful with time frames so I can't help more than that), a big movement by homosexual artists and writers to move or summer out here because of the privacy aspect. This was a major change in the thinking of many people since they were all whalers/carpenters/machinists. Although that may not be a big topic of interest, there is a lot to uncover there. Finally, I wanted to mention that in the whaling museum, there is a letter written by John Steinbeck (a Harborite) about being Grand Marshall (I think) in a parade. He writes some really funny and down to earth stuff in it. Although he is not an artist, I am sure there are hundreds of like letters that artists have written in reference to the area which someone like me really gets a kick out of.

I don't know that any of that made sense, but sometimes those are the best streams of consciousness.

Edited by author 09-18-2005 11:09 AM
I am also "lurking in" and I hope you don't mind. I loved the impressionist piece from Camp. As Jeannnine mentioned, we might be able to make a connection between our groups or maybe our site (Just Imagine) could just have a link to the Impressionist website. Just a thought but it seems to be a natural connection.

i too have visited this area to see what you two are up to. this is my second visit.
linda, great job at open house! and by the way you are getting rave reviews from my daughter devon and my niece caitlin.
i loved the camp piece you put together and showed at class.
i'm wondering if dawn is interested in setting up an elementary school art site where we share student work and respond to each other.

Edited by author 09-17-2005 03:39 PM
Ok ,it is the weekend, no more open houses, away varsity volleyball games, let's get down to business. Yeah Rachel, I love that you are "lurking around." Let me put my thoughts out clearly. The idea from camp (which was to show how the East End has made an "impression" on artists and is reflected in their work) was one of the original questions when we began the Pollock/Krasner piece. We orginally were asking how does this PLACE impact the creative types. We were, perhaps, too large including writers and musicians in the group and, perhaps, want to concentrate on painters/fine artists only We could interview them and have their stories be part of our site. Now, we are back to having the site "say something" to those who, too, are joining our community or for young people realizing the impact their special home has on this special people. Any comments? Dawn where are you?

Em . . . Uh-um . . . I am trying to lurk here, but ya'll aren't talking enough.
I loved what ya'll had going with Pollock-Krasner and was blown away by Linda's Camp project.
I'm very interested to see where you might be headed . . .

1- Do we use the polished Linda summer site as the "foundattion" and grow andspiderw wweb off it?
2- What is our final goal
3- What do we do to get there?
4- What things do we want in our sitee?

I replied to Linda regarding this already. I'm open. We have good ideas so we could just continue and farm out tech issues. First we should/could soliuify our ideas. brainstorm and MAKE decisions,,,,

Edited by author 09-15-2005 01:27 PM
Hey Bruce and Dawn..I sent an email to Bruce this morning about our group possibilities.
1. Continue as is
2. continue melding our East End Artists site with the Camp site version I showed last night
3. entering with Just Imagine group and being the artist/writing component
What are your views? Dawn, I know you didn't see the site from camp, but you can link to it from eev camp 2005 on our calendar. We are the Impressionism group. Hope to hear from you ...

This may or may not be Linda/Bruce/Dawn. I suggest that Linda and Bruce (and Dawn if she wishes) use this area to discuss their special focus as discussed last night. In addition, I suggest they participate in any of the other conferences so they can see if they fit with others as well. Enjoy!