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Richard Almond  1199
03-08-2010 06:56 PM ET (US)
Hi Neil

You can view Dale's photos at http://www.alistego.com, and mine at http://www.geoss.com.au/eun_mara/. Both these pages have lots of links to other pages and sites. In particular, from my site I suggest you follow the link to Ian's photos, as they provide a very detailed description of building an EM from building frame to launch day.

Just for general information, I have just completed laying of the planks for my deck, and have half finished filling in the seams. I'll put up photos when it's all neat and tidy. Still hopeful of launching this year and entering in the Goolwa festival next March!

Dale, thanks for the update. It was good to hear from you again.

Richard
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Neil E Holden  1198
03-08-2010 04:22 PM ET (US)
Hi everyone, can someone tell me how to view owners/builders photos.
Thanks Neil
DaleHPerson was signed in when posted  1197
03-07-2010 02:36 PM ET (US)
Just thought it was time for me to check in before you all start to wonder if I was still alive. I have definitely been keeping up and have been reading all the posts but work and other commitments have kept my attention largely elsewhere for a while now. Of course we've had the Olympics here in Canada to hold everyone's attention for the last couple of weeks.

Seeing this group from a few steps back as I have lately, sure shows the vast amount of Eun Mara knowledge, skill, and talent brought together here. If I was new and thinking about an Eun Mara build, this resource would make the decision easy. I thought I was lucky in the beginning to have contact with ONE other builder who was ahead of me, progress-wise. This is orders of magnitude better in every way and I thank each of you for your participation here.

Here, winter seems to be on the way out now, though we usually get one last taste of wintry weather at some point. For the past few weeks it has been warm (today will be +9 C or so), so much so that I came home the other day and found my snowmobile (the beast that I use to groom our cross country ski trails) sitting in 10 cm of water. El Nino has made it's presence known this winter with very little snow over the winter and now very mild temperatures early in the spring.

Soon I may just turn my attention to our storage shed and pull out our camping trailer and move Alistego back to the front and center of the shed for another (possibly earlier and longer?) season. Since she is no longer a "new" boat, I have a list of jobs to be done including repainting the deck with fresh anti-skid. Last year I really noticed all the little dings, stains, etc so she really needs a nice new fresh look in this regard.

Keep well, all.

Dale
BygglesPerson was signed in when posted  1196
03-06-2010 12:01 AM ET (US)
The white oak looked like it had been dried too quickly and had many splits so in the end I went with the Ash, nice clear long boards.
Thanks for your comment.
Alan Hosler  1195
03-03-2010 12:46 AM ET (US)
I don’t see a problem with scarphing the keelson so long as you use a glue that is compatible with the white oak. I have several postings in this forum regarding successes and failures in gluing oak with epoxy. But if you are concerned and can get full length pieces of ash that would work well also.
BygglesPerson was signed in when posted  1194
03-02-2010 11:21 PM ET (US)
I thought I would let you know how my project is proceeding and at the same time ask for your thoughts. I'm almost finished setting the station moulds on the building frame and am ready to purchase lumber for the keelson, frames and inner stem/stern. I've a local source of white oak, but not in the length needed for a continuous keelson, 12ft seems to be the longest length my supplier carries. I'm looking for opinions regarding scarphing the white oak verses using alternate material, ash or black walnut or ?. Your guidance would be appreciated.

Neil Jefferson.
Fred Fransen  1193
02-27-2010 02:06 PM ET (US)
James,

I noticed you're attached to a university. I have a Chicago Ph.D. the rest about incomplete projects follows naturally. I built my son a Kidyak kayak last year to see what working with epoxy and building plans was like. Paddles nice and I learned a lot. My project this spring is to restore a 12' O'Day Widgeon daysailer I bought a couple of years ago, but I'd really like to build a wooden weekender for the Great Lakes.

I occasionally get to Ann Arbor. If I do, I'd like to meet. If you ever get down to Indy, drop me a line.

Fred
James Beals  1192
02-26-2010 08:59 AM ET (US)
Thanks Fred.
As suggested, the best suited area in Michigan has got to be the upper Lake Huron and the Georgian bay.
I have sailed Lk Michigan up and down the E coast, Erie hear and there and Lk Huron, but never north of Alpena and haven't got to the
Canadian side.
The Georgian Bay and The North Channel seem best suited for the EM. On Lk Michigan you are exposed with little protection when weather gets nasty.
This year I am going to visit the North Channel and the parks on the Michigan side.
Seems about time I get an idea of that part of my home state.
There are also many inland lakes that I would like to spend a long weekend on.
All of my sailing has been with friends on their boats.
A large part of my dream is having my own boat.

How did you know I have a history of incomplete projects? ;-)
Took 25 years to finish restoration of one motorcycle ... done now.
The Euna Mara is such a good fit for what I want to do.
I have to make room in the garage/shop before I get serious.
She will just fit in with room around for working space.

Still puffing away. I'll make an announcement if I buy a set of plans. Enjoying the discussions about the rudder position.

I started sailing a Butterfly and Sunfish when I was 10 years old. Your son is just the right age to start feeling the power of the wind.
best

James Beals
jbeals@umich.edu
1445 Argyle Crescent
Ann Arbor, MI
48103


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Fred Fransen  1191
02-25-2010 01:59 PM ET (US)
James,

I've been smoking the dream pipe for some time now, having fallen in love with Eun Mara but not sure if I'll ever build. I write because I live in Indianapolis, and if you do get started, perhaps my would-be sailor son Nicolas (age 9) and I could occasionally help you build. Worst case maybe you get halfway through and abandon it and we take over. Best case we start a fleet on Lake Michigan.

Lead the way!
Alan Hosler  1190
02-18-2010 10:01 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 02-19-2010 08:36 AM
The March/April 2010 issue of WoodenBoat has an article by Geoff Kerr titled “Iain Oughtred’s Double-Enders.” It gives attention to the Whilly Tern, Tirrik, Arctic Tern and Caledonia Yawl as his most popular. The cover of the issue has a picture of a Caledonia Yawl. At the end of the article mention is made of Iain being honored during the 2010 WoodenBoat Show, June 25-27 at Mystic Seaport (this is mentioned below by Steven #1165).

Should you look at this issue of WoodenBoat you might want to catch the article by Matthew P. Murphy on pages 97-99 titled “Fluted Beams Cold-bendable hardwood.” It is discussion of a specially prepared hardwood that can be bent into a pretzel shape. The wood is delivered to the user in a sealed bag. After bending to the desired shape the wood will begin to stiffen by exposure to air. I found the following website that shows some applications of the material. http://www.flutedbeams.com/
Ian Milne  1189
02-12-2010 04:04 PM ET (US)
Hi Bob, and all,

I think the rudder and centreboard/bilgeboard options are independent of each other. My theory is that "Construction Sheet I" is the original design, basically as Brice Avery wanted it, and "CS II" has options added later, including the self-draining cockpit after the school at Lyme Regis had asked for that. "CS I" doesn't show the motor either. You will note that "Alistego" has an under-stern rudder like yours, with bilgeboards, and "Merry Rose" has an over-stern rudder like mine and Alec's, with a centreboard, so we have plenty of variety. I agree with you about keeping heavy weights out of the ends of the boat, which is why I made the anchor box behind the tabernacle, but I preferred the more "Shetland" look of the over-stern rudder. I also wanted the shallower draught at the stern. I didn't realise the rudder would weigh 34 kg, but Iain's catalogue notes refer to buoyant stern sections to support "too many people in the cockpit", so I guess she can take it. Our motor at 25 kg is probably heavier than the one in the plans, and we also have an anchor in the port cockpit locker (which is the one we mostly use) so we do have a lot of weight around the stern. We don't tow the boat with fuel in the locker (starboard cockpit) though.

We got home on Monday, from cruising on Lakes Manapouri and Te Anau since Christmas, living quite successfully on the boat for six weeks in a variety of conditions, mostly good. Alison's boom-tent is worth having. We have improved our tacking procedure. Alison is mastering the art of backing the jib.

On Tuesday morning, before we took anything out
of the boat, I took it to the weighbridge, and the boat and trailer together weighed 1670 kg. The trailer weighs 340kg, making the loaded boat 1330kg. This is 50kg more than when I weighed it when loaded for our Manapouri trip a year ago. This includes all the gear for the trip, but no food or fuel. If anyone hasn't ordered their trailer yet, they need to allow for this sort of weight.

Cheers,
Ian
 
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Bob L  1186
02-10-2010 06:23 AM ET (US)
           Just to comment further on the Alec's rudder question. I don't have an answer, but I am glad Alec has raised the question because I think it is important, and I think we should try and get an answer on this. Is an outboard rudder ( like Alec's Heather Mary ) more suited to a bilge boards boat than an inboard rudder? I take it that is the question.
           I can't help but note that the plans for bilge board construction come with an outboard rudder, and the plans for centreboard constuction come with an inboard rudder. Does anyone know if Iain Oughtred intended that the two options can be interchanged ? If not, then perhaps we should ask him for the benefit of new builders.
Alec Percival  1185
02-01-2010 12:39 AM ET (US)
Our plans were number 2 from Iain,and at that time he didn't offer the option of an inboard rudder. However on reflection I wouldn't change if I were to build again as I like the "Colin Archer" look of the hull with an outboard rudder. And now for the contraversial bit, The Heather Mary is such a well behaved boat in all wind and wave conditions that I don't have some of the problems others seem to have with going about etc, does this have anything to do with the rudder?
ian.milne@clear.net.nz  1184
01-30-2010 03:37 AM ET (US)
My "outboard" rudder weighs 34 kilograms, if that's of any
significance. I still like it though.
Ian
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