hello all,

It is so nice to here from new people when they are enthousiastic about the dreams they have. On this forum sailing an vessel is a main goal. So is mine. During the building proces I have the oportunity of learning on the job. What I learned last year was to slow down the proces. It is a weekend job. And not every weekend. When you don't work on the level the boat commands, then you have to repair al the hurry jobs from last weekend. that's frustrating. So to build and not making mistakes is impossible. But to make a nice performance of skils, patience and dirty hands will result in a wonderful ship, our goal. So towards Neil and James no matter what skils you have; on a weekend job you need a lot of patience. If not, buy a boat at least you can sail.
I am still building, but very .... slow. What I did was to sail with friends. That also keeps the dream alive.

edwin, no 67

Alan, I know of two other Eun Maras in North America. Howard Ray built Meander a few years ago and a guy I know only as Kaa from the WoodenBoat Forum has one that he bought in the UK and had shipped to New Jersey. I have EM plans, too, but before I got started a deal came along on a 24' 50 year old classic sailboat that I couldn't pass up.

Edited by author 01-25-2010 04:14 PM
There is also Paul Fredrikson's Adagio in the San Francisco area. I'll look for the link to Howard's photos. He is off cruising in the Bahamas right now in his other boat.

Thanks Steven. I found a very nice website for Howard Ray's Meander at http://www.howardanddonna.com/meander.html. That boat is in Lunenburg. I am attempting to learn more about kaa's boat.

Edited by author 01-26-2010 06:25 PM
The following is a list of launched Eun Mara’s I know of in North America:

Kaa’s “Mote” located in New Jersey, US (built as “Annie” in Wales, UK)
http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62564

Dale Hymank’s “Alistego” located in Alberta, Canada

Paul Fredrikson’s “Adagio” located in San Francisco, California, US

Howard Ray’s “Meander” located in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, Canada
http://www.howardanddonna.com/meander.html.

Alan Hosler’s “Mary Way” located in Washington State, US

Wow thanks for all the information about EMs in the N. America.
New Jersey seems to be the closest EM to me in Michigan.
But still a bit far.
Has any one built a scale model, say 4' or a meter?
My brother in law (an experienced Chris Craft (re)builder) makes a model before starts a project.
As I am still smoking my pipe dream, a model may be a practical choice, to start.
My Brother in law, insists I should get started either way.
As I am in my 50's and may run out of time to enjoy my project. ;-) best
James Beals
jbeals@umich.edu
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On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:15 AM, QuickTopic daily digest wrote:

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James:

Myself I don’t think the model is needed. Iain’s plans are very detailed and the station sections are provided full scale. Also Dale’s website will be a great resource for you to have questions answered and helpful hints provided as you are building. I had only one bad problem during construction and that was related to painting; after being applied it would not dry over its epoxy base. It was the cabin ceiling and was a mess to remove. After launch I have had failures with my gluing of white oak.

Maybe others with Eun Mara building experience can comment if they made any errors that might have been prevented if a model had been built.

Each day after about 5 hours of work I would get tired and quit as I believed I was close to making a mistake. During the building I made few errors that needed correcting. I usually thought out the night before what I was going to do the next day and tried to identify what might go wrong so I could prevent it. I only had to chisel out one piece of wood from the boat and that was probably due to me having messed up mixing the epoxy. Even now when I mix epoxy I leave the left over on the bench and check it the next day to make certain it is curing.

There are construction time estimates on the website - with an estimate how much time you believe you will spend on the project per week you can come up with a reasonable effort of the construction duration. I started my boat in August 2000 and launched it in June 2005. I put in 3170 hours.

My suggestion; build the boat – you’re young. When you retire move to Drummond Is. for the summers and sail the North Channel.

     Hi James, no I agree with Alan I don't think you need to build a model, although Ian Mile from NZ did build one before he built his boat. He may have a different view. I had not built a boat before and still love getting out into the workshop, although I must admit it is taking longer than expected.
     The only really large mistake I made during construction was when I started to build the keel to suit the external rudder. At that point I was discussing the options with the people at Duck Flat Wooden Boats at Mt. Barker near Adelaide, and changed my mind to an underslung rudder ( such as Dale has ).
     I try to work out in advance what I am going to do for the day. If I can actually visualise the process, then I think it helps in maybe working out a better way of doing something, or eliminating mistakes, and hense saves time. My building day sometimes begins in bed before I get up ! Sometimes I have to write down the steps in construction. Iain's plans though are generally detailed and accurate. He has a reputation for that.
     One key source of information for me has been the photos provided by Dale and Ian in particular, but as well Alan, Alec and Richard. They have all helped. They illustrate the plans. I think that those of us following have a distinct advantage over the early builders because of that. Thanks to you guys.
     Finally there is this discussion group which exists to share information. So I hope you go for it James and get started with model or without. Also you are young ! I am 75 and when I get old I still hope to be fit enough to sail this beautful boat.

Hi everyone, it has been 3 months since we started to build No80 and work is progressing well. We have started to lay the first Agba veneer as we are building the hull cold moulded, I would be interested to hear from anyone who has built this way and any problems they encountered.
We are still undecided wether to build the inboard rudder, does anyone have evidence of the benefits?
Regards

       Neil I can't help with any performance benefits for an inboard rudder until my boat is finished, but the reasons I chose it were :-
          1. Purely personal choice, but it is simpler and maintains the beautiful canoe shape outline of the hull.
          2. It avoids the need for a wrap around tiller.( ie around the mizzen. )
          3. It is much lighter than the outboard rudder, and I like to eliminate heavy weights at the ends of a boat.
          4. The gradual taper of the keel can be continued with an inboard rudder for a much improved flow of water. The plans show the aft end of the keel at 1 3/4 inches wide and the forward edge of the rudder 1 1/2 inches. I have kept to this on my boat, except the rudder tapers with an aerodynamic shape to finish at 1/4 inch.
           One downside to an inboard rudder has become apparent only recently. Because the pivot point for the tiller is further forward, the length of the tiller projects further into the cockpit. I won't really know how much this will interfere with space in the cockpit until I get the boat going.
           If you would like to see photos of the rudder and keel they may be found on Richard's site.
           I don't know anyone who has built cold moulded, but there was a series of 7 articles in the English magazine "Watercraft" detailing construction of a cold moulded hull. They ran from Issue 15 ( May 1999 ) to Issue 21 ( May 2000 ). Hope that might help.

Hi Bob thanks for that, I agree with your comments about the rudder it seems to make sense putting it inboard as for the length of the tiller one option would be to use a short tiller with an extention stick for when your hiking out!! Watercraft did run the articles and that is one reason why we are building this way.
I will check out Richards site for the pictures

North American Eun Maras include Howard Ray's in Nova
Scotia.
Ian

I'm checking all my emails for the last month at a motor
camp and replying as I come to them. I built a model at the
same time As i built my real one. It is 1/12 scale, with
the parts traced straight off the plans. There is a photo
on Richard's website. We have just cruised right around the
shore of Lake Te Anau in Fiordland NZ over trhe last three
weeks. We did 163 nautical miles in a variety of
conditions.
Ian

Most jobs took me about three times as long as I thought
they would. The model was good for inspiration and to see
how things would look, but I don't regard it as essential.

My "outboard" rudder weighs 34 kilograms, if that's of any
significance. I still like it though.
Ian

Our plans were number 2 from Iain,and at that time he didn't offer the option of an inboard rudder. However on reflection I wouldn't change if I were to build again as I like the "Colin Archer" look of the hull with an outboard rudder. And now for the contraversial bit, The Heather Mary is such a well behaved boat in all wind and wave conditions that I don't have some of the problems others seem to have with going about etc, does this have anything to do with the rudder?