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Patrick, at Tire Barn, is the guy you need to talk to... I am sure he'll be able to help you!
Have great day!

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President 4xFools




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Hey Phil,
The Site is back... thank you!
What did you do to it? it looks a little bit different...
Talk to ya soon!
JL

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Hello everybody! I am new to the site www.4xfools.com
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spam and unscrupulous advertising. Can I trust
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Sorry for stupid questions, I just really want know which
information I should trust or even pay attention.

Hi everyone! I would like to discuss some topic which is rather popular nowadays.
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Good morning!
I hope that we'll see you ALL on Sunday!
JL
President 4xFools

Great Party Today!!!
Thank you Dennis and Marcia for letting us use your place again...
Thank you Jon and Stacy for a great set-up... the table, treats, costumes were outstanding!
It is always a good time when we get together...
The next meeting is going to be November 26th...
Before that, we NEED to decide if we want to participate at the Parade of Lights.
Phil, could you, please, let us know how to register for it and when the deadline is?
Who wants to participate? Yvette and I want to.
Please, lets communicate and get together for that special event...
I am posting this topic on the yahoo board also...
I hope that I'll hear from you all soon!
PS. we will be in Belgium (Europe... not Illinois!!) from October 27 until November 5.
Talk to you soon!
JL

Good morning,
Dave Bernard called me yesterday and told me that him and his group are going to the Badlands on Saturday October 28th... his phone number is 841-3494 if you want to contact him.
Yvette and I won't be able to go that day.
See ya on Sunday!
Have a great week!
JL

Hi All!!

   I know we haven't been around in a while, but a do remeber that Tessa moved, does anyone have her new address? I need it for the party invites!

   Thanx!!

     jon

Thank you Dennis.
I got an email from Stacy and Jon, They wont be able to be at our next meeting on the 24th...
I suggest that we try to communicate via emails and phone calls until the meeting and then make the final decision at the meeting, on the 24th.
Saturday October 07th works for Yvette and I.
Please, let us know what date is the best for you, 4xFools!
Thank you.
Stay on the road!!
JL

WOW, What a space out I did today!!
Marcia and I got a last minute invitation to participate in a U of I ROTC sail boat demonstration over at Clinton Lake today. We had to be there at noon and I figured I could watch some of that, get Marcia back to the hospital for work at a little before 3PM, then make the meeting at the Park. Whoops!! Sorry!!
I stopped by Patrick's house and got the summary from him. We ARE looking forward to the group coming out in early October for the cook out and scenic drive. October 8th would not work very good for us, due to a church function that night. Either the 1st or how about Saturday night the 7th?
I'll talk with you-all later about the dates with Marcia and see what her schedule looks like. With her working evenings now, I need her OK too. Dennis

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Hi gang,
Thank you for showing up today... I think we had a very good meeting.
I emailed Stacy and Dennis about the party. I'll let you know what's going on as soon as they contact me.... or, as we decided today, they can post their answers on this webpage and we'll all use it as a communication tool! :-)
Cannot wait for the Cliffs!!!
Have a great Labor Day Monday!
JL

Attica was pretty nice, a little muggy. None of the Boonie Riders showed. I had some anxious moments on the competition rock course. Had to winch once on Pink. Kalah really enjoyed driving the rock garden course back by the quarry. She also liked Orange until we almost got stuck in deep mud, by ourselves...

How about a trip to the Cliffs or Rockport real soon? I didn't break anything serious at Attica...

Kirk

Hello...
I hope that we'll see you all on Sunday at our meeting!!!
The Club Party is around the corner...
We went to the IFWDA meeting last Sunday, we will report to you what hapened there...
Hey Kirk... how was Attica?
See you all soon!
JL

I wanted to invite you and all of your Club to the next Buchanan's Mudfest on September 16th, 2006. We are located in Robertsville, MO about twenty minutes south of Six Flags. Check out our website for the details and some pics. Email if you have any questions. Thank you and hope to see you there.

Buchanan Mudfest
Sept. 16th, 2006
9AM-6PM
www.buchananmudfest.com

The second Annual 4 Wheel Fest will be held at Main Beach Park in Crystal Lake, IL on Saturday October 7th. This year should be larger than last year which saw over 65 total trucks with the addition of a used part swap meet and beer garden. Register early spots are filling fast! Every registered truck will receive a event t-shirt, dash plaque, and chance at the awards and the several raffles to be held througout the day.

To register online with a credit card please go to https://www.signmeup.com/site/reg/register.aspx?fid=322VJK7

To print off a paper registration form for fax or mail in registration please go to: http://www.crystallakeparks.org/4Wheeldriv...estRegistration.pdf

If you have any questions feel free to email me at jdavison@crystallakeparks.org.

Good news...
the park is available for our meeting on Sunday Sept 03rd!
Thank you, Rosa!
Phil, could you, please, update the site with the new date, Pleeeaaaase???
Thank you and we'll see you soon!
JL

Well, you know I am interested!!! but I will be in Indy at that meeting on Sunday...
And I need to work on the Jeep before "she" can hit the trail anyway... Thanks Randy's Ravine!!!!
Have fun in Attica!
JL

Since the meeting is rescheduled, I am planning a trip to Attica instead, 27 AUG. I will be meeting Wally Sutt and some of the other Boonie riders. I suspect this will be a big dog run, Orange and Pink trails. Anyone interested?

Hi Guys,
I called Patrick tonight about the IFWDA meeting conflict we have
this weekend... I thought we changed our meeting days to avoid those
kinds of conflicts, but, hey, what do I know! :-)
and we decided to change OUR meeting date to the following Sunday,
September 3rd, 2006 instead of this Sunday. Rosa will get back to us
to let us know if the park is okay that day. This is going to be an
important meeting, because we have to talk about our Club Party, in
September or October, at Dennis' Farm if it is okay with him and
Marsha. Also, I sent 4xNews Paper an article about our show and
shine day in July... be sure to read it when you get the paper!
Well, I am sorry for the inconvenience... I hope we will see you all
on Sunday the 3rd, we will report to you what happend at the IFWDA
meeting!
Keep checking the website for updates!
Have a great week!
JL
4xFools President

Hey, our meeting isn't in conflict with IFWDA meeting is it?

I think it is!!!

Jon

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I made it!!!!

Jon
P.S. so did Stacy


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So, who else tried Randy's Ravine and did anyone make it? I assume its even more difficult than in the past...

Kirk

AAArrrgghhttt.... @#$%^!!!
Good one, Jon... I love you too, Man.............
I'm sure that ravin is possessed!!!!
Next year, I'll climb it 5 time in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(no hands - 2 wheel drive only - forward - backward and blindfolded)
:-)
We had a great time this weekend! (great trails - great weather - great people)
I hope we'll see you at the meeting in 2 weeks!
PS. Share your pictures from the weekend.(Phil, I'll probably bring a CD next time)
JL

Year 4,

  Randy's ravine, 4
   J.L. 0


Sorry, had to post it!!

Luv ya J.L.!!!!!!!


Jon

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That's it... we are on our way to Wilstem!!!
1st year... stock CJ
2nd year... lift
3rd year... rear locker
This year... low gear
The ravin is MINE!!!
I can hear it calling.... JJJJLLLLLL, JJJJJLLLLLL!!!
Have a great weekend!
JL

Thank you, Phil for upgrating the web site...
JL

Good morning All,
The Show and Shine was a success... thank you for the great job!
I keep remembering the kid's happy faces and it makes me feel good!
I hope that y'all will have a good week!
(BTW: on our way back home last night... the CJ quit!! we had to tow it with the Wrangler! Don't know what's wrong yet! I'll be probably calling for advices!)
JL

Gotta love all this spam we're getting.

The bad news is I won't be able to attend the show n shine, I need to take the kids to camp.

The good news is I am making progress on getting the Jeep back together, should have the seats in tonight!

Kirk

Good morning All,
To answer to Andrew's question... we dont have to decorate our rigs, but it is up to us to do so if we want to be a little "special" for the show.
(I will decorate mine with... Mud!!)
I hope that ALL THE MEMBERS will be there on Sunday!
Karen, Dennis, Patrick and Phil worked a lot on that event...
Have a great week!
JL
President
4xFools

Good morning All...
Please, check your email and RSVP to our 4th of July Party invitation!
(If you did not get an "electronic" invitation... consider this message as your invitation! and reply to it)
As usual, we will have beer, white and red wine, pop and meat...
You are welcome to bring a salad, dessert or side dish! (or your favorite beverage)
Oh, and don't forget your SWIMSUIT!!! (or you'll have to wait until is dark!!)
We hope we'll see you there!
Yvette and JL

Good Friday everyone!!
Our next meeting is going to be on Sunday June 25th, 2006 at 3:00pm.
Location: PIZZA GARDEN, 1503, LYNDHURST ALY - SAVOY 61874 TEL: 356-3333.
Again, I wont be there for the meeting, but we (you) have to decide ASAP if we want to be on the 4th of July Parade this year...
Jon told me that he could get an entry form for it if we decide to participate... Today is June 09th... if you want to participate at the Parade this year, send me (or another officer) a message, a note, an email or a phone call before next Friday June 16th (or reply to this forum). This way, I think that Jon will be able to get an application and we'll have time to register.
How does it sound?

Phil, could you, please, update the site with the new meeting date? Thank you!
Of course, your comments and suggestions are always welcome!
Have a great weekend and I hope that I will be seeing you tomorrow at Attica!
JL
President 4xFools

Good morning All,
We are going to Attica on Saturday... (06/10) Yeepiie!!!
We are leaving Farm and Fleet at 7:00am sharp!
I hope that we'll see you there!
I am also working on a location for our June Meeting on 06/25. I wont be there because I will be at a conference in Orlando (I know!.... but someone HAD to go!! :-)
I will keep you updated on the location...
Suggestions welcome, of course!
Take care!
JL

Well, we are on our way to Rockport....
I hope that we'll see other members there...
Have a great weekend!
JL

Good morning...
How was the picnic? Hot??
Who is going to Rockport on Saturday? Where are we leaving from and at what time? I assume that the Mattoon People will take a different route.
Please, let me know if you talked about it at the meeting...
Yvette and I are definitively going!!
Have a great day!
JL

Good morning all,
We are sorry, but we wont be able to be at the meeting on Sunday!
This is our daughter's graduation and we don't want to miss that!
Patrick is going to be out of town... is one of the officers wanting to conduct the meeting and report it to me next week? Please, let me know.
The important thing to talk about is the "Show and Shine Show" in June.
We are sorry for the inconvenience and we hope that you'll all have fun on Sunday!
Yvette and JL

Hi everyone,

I am in the process of moving, and I found the front tow hooks that I bought for my 1998 Wrangler last year. They were from 4WheelDrive, and I am looking to sell them for what I paid for them. The shipping can be quite hefty , so you can save some money there. The tow hooks are black and are still in the box they came in. Maybe there are some new members since I left who would be interested.

If interested - please email me at ldhoppe@yahoo.com or call 353-2668.

The side door to my garage blew open during a storm and my dogs got muddy paw prints all over my Miata - inside and out. I think that's about as dirty as a Miata gets. I still haven't installed the lift kit for clearing the big boulders. :)

Lisa

We would like to invite you all to the next Buchanan Mudfest. We just finished up the May 13th event and are preparing for the the next on September 16th. We are located in Roberstville, MO about twenty miles south of Six Flags.

Buchanan Mudfest
September 16th 9AM-6PM
www.buchananmudfest.com

email me with any questions
patrick@buchananmudfest.com

Happy Birthday... Christopher!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday.... Teresa!
Yvette

Good morning...
Just a reminder that we are leaving F&F for Attica at 7:00am tomorrow...
I hope that I'll see you there!
JL

Happy Birthday.... Rosa
Oooops... 1 day late!
Sorry!
Yvette

Happy Birthday... Amanda!!!
Yvette

Happy Bday.... Alexandra!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday Jon!
Happy Birthday, Samantha!!!
One day early... but I will be at Redbird tomorrow!
We will see you there!
Yvette

Happy Birthday.... Stacy!!!
Yvette

Good morning!
I hope that we'll see all the 4xFools members on Sunday!!!
Location is still the same as announced before:
GT's Western Bowl in Champaign - 3:00pm.
Have a great week!
JL
President
4xFools

Thank you Yvette!!!

Happy B-day... JL!
Yvette

Happy Birthday.... Taylor!!!
Yvette

I would like you to think about the places you pick for our meeting. For a family with kids we will need to feed them plus now they will want to bowl. Bowling is 5.29 a person a game. Then 2.49 for shoes. You want people to come to a family orientated meeting then we pick place that a family of 4 or 5 would spend about $25 - $30 on food then another $30 - $40 to bowl. The reason I'm writting is if you take your kids in is hard to tell them they have to watch, Or we spend $50 - $70 for a MEETING!!!

At our last meeting we never nominated officers. I think everyone should do this before the next meeting. Just have an E-Mail sent out to everyone to nominate how they want that will save sometime at our next meeting. Jon said he would like to stay treasurer. So I ( Stacy ) nominate Jon for treasurer. And Phil said that he would be one of the I.F.W.D.A. delegates, so I nominate Phil as our number 1 delegate.

Thank you

Stacy Schwanke


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Hi All,
Thank you, Phil, for placing the next meeting date and location on the front page... It looks great!
Everyone should be present to the next meeting... again, a Club cannot exist without active members.
Yvette and I will be in Indy this saturday with Jon and Stacy... I hope that we'll see other members also there.
Have a great day!
JL
President
4xFools

JL and all,
I just called G.T.'s Western Bowl and told them we would meet there on Sunday afternoon March 26th from 3 pm to about 5 pm. They will be expecting us.
See you there!
Dennis Riggs

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Good morning all,
Thank you very much, Dennis, for looking at meeting locations.
G.T.’s Western Bowl sounds good to me!
Would you call them and reserve the room for our next meeting, Sunday March 26, 2006 at 3:00pm, please?
I will post this message on Yahoo and on our webpage as well.
Have a great week!
(tomorrow IS Friday!!!)
JL
President
4xFools

Happy Birthday... Pat!!! (ooops, 1 day late - sorry)
Yvette

Kirk, it works fine now, thanks.

I got to it, that's when I deleted the post. Of course it was to late for those who have it e-mailed. Sorry about that! After looking at those pics I think it's a great idea to replace the factory roll bar.

Hmmm, word wrap problem. You can hit the link, then copy/paste the second line into your browser so you get the whole address. Let's see if it works this time:

http://bbs.offroad.com/ubbthreads/showflat...r/1481000/an/0/page /0#Post1481000

Kirk

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Not sure if anyone saw this email. The link takes you to a discussion of the Haspin Acres run and helps reinforce why additional protection is a good idea. Think the factory bar is good enough? Better check out the link.

Knowing that Billy is over 25 years old from Central Indiana, rust bucket of the midwest, I'll glad my main cage is tied into frame and gusseted. I heard this was his first time out.
I want to have bottom of main bar repaired before going out again. You can never be too safe.
http://bbs.offroad.com/ubbthreads/showflat.../page/0#Post1481000

Thank you Dennis...
See you at the meeting...
JL

Thanks to all who went on the Saturday road trip to Danville! Had about a dozen folks total. Really saw some great rides at Johnson's Off-road and learned a lot of "inside" information about CB radios at Sparky's CB Shop. And, the "Gross Burgers" were great!
We have found three businesses that know and appreciate off-roaders. Full report at the next meeting in Villa Grove on February 26th at 3:00pm. Dennis Riggs

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Good Monday!
How was the trip on Saturday?
I wish I could go...
"Stay on the road!"
JL
President 4xFools

Happy Birthday.... Marcia!!!
Yvette

we won't be able to make it , sorry.

  Jon and stacy



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Anyone for Sunday?

Hi Gang...
Thank you, Dennis... Good job on next Saturday schedule... It looks like a lot of fun (food) and learning!
I am sorry, but I will be out of town on that day (Job related duty...)
Who else is going?
Please, take notes for a report on the next meeting!
Anyone interested to go to Attica Bad Lands on Sunday (02/05)?
It's been a while... I can hear the Orange Trail calling my name... "JJJLLLLL...JJJLLLLL.... come to get me!!!"
Call me or email me or respond to this topic if you are on... 337-7271 - gourmetjl@aol.com
I plan to leave Farm and Fleet at 8:00am
Have a good week!
JL

Anyone wheeling at attica sunday? I'll be there by myself, so if anyone's going, drop me a line And I'll tag along with you.
309-242-2030

Happy Bday... Cindy!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday... Sarah!!!
Yvette

Check out these shots!

Thank you, Phil for posting the next meeting time and location on the site!
Did you get my pictures from Hangover Run okay?
That was a very big file to email... Let me know.
Have a great weekend, All!
JL
President
4xFools

Thank you Dennis...
Let's move the meeting at 4:00pm instead of 3:00pm on Sunday January 15th at O'Charlies.
I hope that we'll be seeing a lot of members!
Have a great day!
JL
President
4xFools

Hi Crew!
I have the back room at O'Charlies booked for Sun Jan 15th. The only catch is that we have to hold off until 4:00 pm for the meeting because they have another group in there from 1 until 3 pm. It might be open by 3:30 pm, but they asked for 4:00 pm just to give them time to clean the room and get it ready.
Hope this works for everyone, if not, let me know.
Dennis Riggs

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Good Morning All...
Our next meeting is going to be on SUNDAY JANUARY 15TH, 2006, at 3:00pm.
Dennis is checking for availibility at O'Charlie.
I'll post the exact location as soon as I know.
Lets all get together for our 1st 2006 meeting!!
I hope I'll see you there!
Take care.
JL
President 4xFools

Happy Birthday... Phil! Sorry, sorry... a little bit too late!
Yvette

Hi Gang!
Happy Holidays!
I hope that you all had a wonderful time with friends and families.
Are we ready for the Hangover Run? I know I am!!!
T-shirts? Prizes?...
If someone needs any kind of help, please let us know!
See ya'all on Sunday!!!
JL

Happy Birthday... Timothy!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday... Rachel!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday... Kirk!!!
Yvette

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Happy Birthday..... Dennis!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday.... Brithany!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday.... Kalah!
Yvette

How was the Parade last night?
I hope that you had a nice turn out!
JL

Great run-a-way Jeep story!
It was ready to go...too bad you weren't.
Good advise JL
Dennis

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...Do NOT trust your emergency brake...!
This morning, I had the Jeep running to get warm, hood up, checking the fluids... then I went inside the house to get something... looked thru the window and saw my "accross the street" neighbourg coming to the house... I looked and, sure enough... the Wrangler is in the middle of the street, running, hood still up, against his car!!! The brake popped loose and the Wrangler went downhill my drive way into his car... breaking his turning signal in 2 or 3 pieces!!! He was cool with the situation and I told him that I was going to replace the broken part... but, again... Never Trust Your Emergency Brake!!! :-)
JL

Hi Everyone,
I won't be able to go to the Parade in Sidney... :-(
Does someone plan to be there? I think that would be a good thing to have our Club represented at the Parade...
The 4xFools signs are available at my house, give me a call if you need them! 621-3231 Yvette's cell - 337-7271 home.
Have an ice Day!!!
Stay warm...
JL

Great... Thank you, Sir!
JL

I just talked to the manager at Tracks. He said that no other parties are booked for tomorrow night. We would be more than welcome to stop by. Dennis

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The new tranny is ready to go in the CJ!!! Thank you to Kirk and Phil for the help...
Anyway, we are going to start the job tomorrow night after the Parade of Lights and finish it on Sunday... (I rent a Transmission Jack for the weekend).
So... if you really want to freeze your butt in my garage (no I have kinda sort of heat), get your hands greazy, or just want to hang on with us... you know my address!.
That's my last message!!
JL

Dennis,
did you have the chance to talk to your body at Tracks about tomorrow night?

Hi Guys,
We took the Jeep back after work and drove it... the temperature gauge does alright and we had a nice, warm and cozy drive back home!!!! Heat is working fine now!!!
Probably a frozen hose somewhere...
Thanks for your emails!
Stay warm!
JL

Dennis, thank you for your answer, I will be looking if I am losing water somewhere...
See ya Tomorrow!
JL

JL,
Sounds like you are losing water somewhere. The first place you usually notice it is when the heater core is not getting water from the Jeep's cooling system.
When you refilled the antifreeze, there was probably still air in the core. That's why no heat from the heater. Filling it again with the Jeep running and the heater turned on and running is the way to fix that.
But, why did you lose the water in the first place. That should be your next thing to look for.

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Good morning,
I started the Wrangler this morning to heat it up before leaving to work and it worked fine.
I let it run for a while and then rode it to work. At half way (about 1 mile) from home, I noticed that the air coming for the vent into the Jeep was freezing cold still!
My temp gauge was almost at 200F!
The temperature kept raising up to 260F when I stopped at the gas station... I thought I was out of water in the radiator. I opened the hood, nothing is really hot under there, until I opened the cap of the radiator... then boiling water started comming out the radiator... I waited a little bit and when it cooled of, I added some antifreeze and water to level. Oil was okay too.
I started the Jeep again, let it run for a while... temp. is now okay.
I drove the rest of the way to work, temp. was still okay but I still have freezing air coming from the vent inside the car!!!
Thermostat problem? Water Pump? Any idea?
See ya'll tomorrow...
JL

Phil...
This is what we have for the January 1st raffle.
- Progrip Tow Hook Kit 10000# - new -
- Light Hardware 4 Pc Metal Hooks - new -
- Bernzomatic Propane Torch - new -
- 4 Ton Hand Puller - new -
- 4 Shock Absorber Covers (Black) ... "almost" New!
I hope that everyone is bringing an exciting prize!!
See you on the 3rd!
JL

Happy Birthday.... Lynn
Yvette

Happy Birthday... Lisa!!!
Yvette

There is a Hangover Run T-Shirt order form on the website. Go there and you'll see it.

Also, Jon and Stacy have a Lockright for a AMC 20 axle for sale. More about that on the "Foolish News" page.

This is to cool. See everyone on Sunday

This is the message Dennis sent us today...

Sorry to do this guys...But O'Charlie's is booked for this Sunday.
But, DO NOT FEAR!!
I have us booked at "The Brickhouse" (formerly Wendels Sports Bar) on
RT 130 south in Urbana. Jeff,the owner, grew up just up the road from
my farm.
They have a semi-private area located on the SW corner of their
recently remodeled place. We can individually order off their menu
that has something for everyone.
The official address is 1901 S. High Cross Rd, Urbana. That's just 1
mile south of the new Walmart that is being built in Urbana.
See you this Sunday, Nov 20th from 2 - 4pm at the Brickhouse.

Good morning,
If someone interested....a "project Jeep"...
CJ7 1982 - 6 Cylinders - Frame is bad but it comes with a NEW frame (on the side) very solid like new - 4 speed - Inside body not too good (lot of welding and "creativity" there) or new fiber body - no full cage (regular: down to the "floor"... not too much floor right now) - no interior (I have some interior items for sale... seats...) - Hardtop (no glass in the rear) - doors - tires to be replaced - axles look good to me - guy said it runs like a clock - 2H/4H/4L okay he said - windshield okay - outside body okay - no bumpers...
All that for "only".... $ 600.00 frame included
Address: Monty's automotive - 501 North Lincoln - Philo - IL - 684-2498
Tell Monty I gave you that message.
Talk to you soon!

Happy Birthday Andrew!!! (1 day late, sorry)
Yvette

Happy Birthday.... Garrett!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday.... Bob!!!
Yvette

Happy Birthday.... Paula
Yvette

Parade of Lights is Saturday December 3, 2005, 5:30PM. More details later!

Happy Birthday Paula!!!
Yvette

Good morning,
If you were not at the meeting yesterday... well, you missed a good one! The officers reported what we talked about at our Board Meeting last wednesday, and we made a lot of plans for the following months.
Please, try to attend our next Club Event... "Jeep 101"... next Saturday (Oct 22), from 9:00am until 1:00pm, at Shelby Motor in Champaign... we'll do the same thing we did a few months ago... (safety clinic, mini trail drive...). I will burn some of the Club pictures I have on a CD and we will show them on Dennis' labtop...
Email me at gourmetjl@aol.com if you have any questions.
Have a great day!
JL

Happy Birthday... Sam and Rebecca!!!

Hi Gang...
Don't forget next Sunday Meeting, please...
And reserve your next Saturday morning/early afternoon
(Oct 22) for our good friend Dennis... The 4xFools are going to be at Shelby that day... I can tell you that this is a lot of fun...! More details on Sunday!
JL

Hi Everyone...
We had our Board Meeting tonight and we decided to have our October Meeting this coming Sunday (16) at 3:oo pm at the Stinky Park in Urbana (the weather is supposed to be nice!) due to some conflicts with October 23rd. This meeting is an important one because we are going to report to you what we talked about tonight... I hope that a lot of members will be there, and I am sorry for the short notice!
Have a great week!
JL

Hi Officers,
Our Board Meeting is this Wednesday October 12, at our house at 7:00pm. Let me know if you can make it...Thank you...
JL

Happy BDay, Ron...
Yvette

Happy Birthday Karen!
Happy Birthday Tim!!

Hi Gang,
How was the meeting yesterday? Wet???
We had a great time with our daughter and she told us that she will never forget her 18th Birthday!!
I will stop by Patrick's shop soon to get his report.
The pics that Andrew posted are good, I suggest that we all share our pictures (Wilstem - Party...) with Phil or Mark and they can post them on the website!
Have a great week!
JL

Hi Everyone,
We are not going to be present at our monthly meeting in Mattoon... it is our younger daughter Amandine's 18th Birthday and we want to spend the day with her for that special occasion... I called Patrick and I am going to meet with him on Friday to go over the topics for our meeting...
Please, let's "start" to talk about next year agenda... I know, it is hard with 90F degree days... but next year is around the corner and I would like to see next year very successfull and full of activities and events for all of our member's tastes and preferences... shows, rides, meetings...
We will be at the next meeting on Oct 23rd... let me know where you want to meet and I"l be looking for availability...
Talk to you soon...
JL

Edited by author 09-17-2005 10:02 PM
ok - JL just added me to the yahoo group, Thanks JL
So I was able to read the messages and found Kirks posting and it answered my previous post. yea!
Hope I can get up that early - If I miss you I'll try to catch up with you all somehow. Any special CB channel??
Isn't there a 4XFool channel or something??
Thanks,
Andrew

-------------------------------------------------------
Just wanted everyone to know that we will meet at Farm & Fleet at 7:30 and
leave no later than 7:45

Hope to see you Sunday!

Kirk

Where & When are people meeting to head over to the Badlands on Sunday September 18th??
I have no numbers of members so I posted this message here.
Please call me to advise or post a reply.
Many Thanks
Andrew
217-202-5766
rubiconwads@yahoo.com

Happy Birthday Matthew!
Yvette

Thanks

Happy Birthday, Mark!!!
Yvette

Phil,

Pro of going to the dark side:
Lots of Jeeps on the trail, people have spares and know how to diagnose/fix them.
The open top experience rules, Samurai and Toyota FJ40 are other options.
Cons of going to the dark side:
Jeeps are actually fragile things with a tough image
It is fairly expensive to get one in reliable trail shape.
Older models have really crappy carburetor, weak axles, finicky clutches... Here is a spotters guide:
http://www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo....cle_ID.html&checked= Y

Pro of picking a CJ-5 for a trail rig:
Short wheelbase makes them very maneuverable
Relatively cheap due to lower demand.

Cons of picking a CJ-5 for a trail rig:
Small front seat
Really only good for 2 people on trail
Short wheelbase (83.5" is one inch longer than Sammi) limits tire size and lift
Zero storage for spares, tools, etc.
Expect high miles, crappy carburetor, weak axles, finicky clutch... Rust

Pro of picking a CJ-7 for a trail rig:
Longer wheelbase, 93.5
Front seat fits big people, storage behind rear seat.
One of the easier vehicles to lift.

Cons of picking a CJ-7 for a trail rig:
Expect high miles, crappy carburetor, weak axles, finicky clutch... Rust

Pro of picking a YJ for a trail rig:
Much better rust proofing
Late models have fuel injection

Con of picking a YJ for a trail rig:
Lower than CJ, tend not to flex as well
Dana 35C is crappiest axle of all, but rare Dana 44 from Cherokee can be swapped in.


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Well, since I MAY go over to the dark side, tell me why I should or shouldn't get a CJ5. Explain please.

Oh - on the Jeep...

Those tires are 30", not 19".

I might have 19" tires on my bicycle. Just a little typo there.

Lisa

Looking forward to a great time on Sunday.
I have arranged a little off-road/senic tour of some land just a few miles from our farm. I'll have details at the party.
Does anyone have a time constraint (JL & Yvette have to leave at 4PM) if so let me know so that we can plan our outing around them.

Man, I wish I had $ 9000.00 right now!!! Good Luck Lisa!
Also, Gang... Yvette has to work tomorrow :-(
We will have to leave the party around 4:00pm.
The weather is going to be G R E A T ...
See y'all tomorrow!
JL
President
4xFools

Hi everyone,

I wanted to let you know that I have decided to sell my Jeep <gasp>. The good news is, I have also decided to buy a used Miata. I had one back in '99 and miss it dearly. I guess I am a Miata girl at heart.

I was hoping that you could spread the word about my Wrangler.

It's a 1998 SE 4 cylinder black soft top 5 speed. It has about 68,000 miles on it. It is clean - no body or paint damage, the interior is in great shape too. The top and windows are in great shape. It runs great - no complaints. The only time I took it off road was at Dennis Riggs' place, and that was VERY mild.

It has new 19" tires, Smittybuilt neoprene seat covers front and back, a center console, nerf bars, a Pioneer CD stereo with soundbar. I'm asking $9000 obo which is in line with what others are asking for similar vehicles.

I can send pictures via email to anyone who wants them. My email address is ldhoppe@yahoo.com and my phone number is 217-649-0509.

I am still thinking about coming out this Sunday for the big party. I haven't been to any events since the Habitat house. :(

I also have brand new front and rear tow hooks if anyone would like to buy those. I bought them from 4WheelDrive. I have a Midland CB radio new in the box that I paid $25 for. I'm looking to get the price I paid for them, at least you would save on the shipping.

Talk to you later!

Lisa

Happy Birthday, Leanna...
Yvette
Secretary
4xFools

Good morning...
The website is BACK!!!! Cool!
What happened?
Do not forget the next meeting.... next Sunday at 2:00pm!!
Have a great day!
JL
President

Edited by author 08-08-2005 11:53 AM
Hey, JL. Any idea what happened to the website? I can't get to it any more.

Thanks

-Mark

Good Friday Everyone!!!

A little boy was walking down the road when a man drove up behind him and said, "Hey kid, jump in and we will go for a ride".
The kid said, "No", and kept walking.
The man once again pulled up to him and said, "Hey kid, come on and go for a ride with me and I will give you $20.00".
The kid then said, "Look dad, you bought the damn Tracker, you ride in it".


How to Change the Oil in Your Jeep
Women
Pull in to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3,000 since the last oil change.
Drink a cup of coffee.
Fifteen minutes later, pay $25 and leave with a properly maintained Jeep.
Men
Go to NAPA Auto Parts and pay $30 for oil, filter, hand cleaner, scented tree air freshener, and numerous other items you realize you need.
Discover that your used oil collection container is full; take it to the recycling center.
Spend 20 minutes trying to locate your floor jack and jack stands; no luck.
Have a beer; you don't really need to jack up the Jeep anyway.
Place used oil collection container under the engine.
Pull out socket wrench and socket; the 5th one you try is finally the correct size.
Unscrew oil drain plug.
Drop drain plug in oil; splashing hot oil all over you (and the garage floor) in the process.
Wipe off face with dirty shop rag and sprinkle kitty litter on garage floor where oil splashed.
Have another beer while oil is draining.
Look 15 minutes for oil filter wrench; no luck.
Poke oil filter with a Phillips screwdriver and twist it off.
Wipe oil off of your arm with same dirty rag used in step 9; sprinkle more kitty litter on floor.
Buddy shows up; finish off 6-pack with him. Screw the oil change; finish it tomorrow!
Next day, drag full oil collection container out from underneath the Jeep.
Sprinkle more kitty litter on oil spilled during step 15.
Have a . . . wait, no beer left, drank it all yesterday.
Walk 2 miles to Corner Store; buy more beer.
Apply a thin coat of clean oil to gasket and install new oil filter.
Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
Remember drain plug from step 8!
Scramble to find drain plug in oil collection container.
Hurry to replace drain plug before entire quart of fresh oil drains all over floor.
Slip with wrench and bang knuckles on frame; band head on floor board in reaction.
Begin cussing fit and throw wrench across garage.
Clean up and apply Band-Aid to knuckles.
Sprinkle kitty litter on one entire quart of fresh oil now pooled under the Jeep.
Dump in remainder of oil into engine.
Realize that while you were under the Jeep, it would have been a good time to grease everything, bleed the brakes, replace those dry-rotted body spacers, and find out where that hideous clanking noise is coming from.
Drive back to NAPA and buy another $150 worth of parts that either won't fit, will break when you try to install them, or will be saved for a later project (all of which will have long been misplaced by the time you are ready to start subject project).
Drive Jeep (1-quart low of oil) for 7,000 miles; then return to Step 1.

Hi All,
We had a very good time at Dennis'place tonight...
Dennis is going to email us with a "sign up form" for his "Jeep at the Farm" event in August...
Lets try to help him... it sounds like a lot of fun!
More details later!
JL

Good evening all,
Jon brought up something we have not discussed at our meeting on Sunday!!
Are we going to have a raffle prize for Wilstem and what is it going to be this year?
Please, we need your help and ideas on this one!
Thank you in advance!
JL

Good afternoon...
I just talked to Richard, the Quiznos Sub Manager, telling him that we wanted to have our August meeting there. I am not sure that they are able to "reserve" the room for us, but he knows that on Sunday August 28th, at 2:00pm, 20 to 25 people will walk into his shop. He is pretty excited about it and told me again that we'll have A FREE DRINK with the purchase of food.
The address is: 1501, North Lincoln, Urbana Tel:344-0289.
The place is cool.... they have a full real Jeep hanging from the ceiling!!!
Take care!
JL

Good afternoon all,
So far, out of 34 email addresses, only 12 replied to my first email about updating our contact list!
Could you please, reply to this message at your earliest convenience, if you did not response to the 1st one?
Thank you for your help!
See ya'll on Sunday!
JL
President 4XFools

Thank you Mark...
I worked on the 4xFools email list this morning... So far, these are the addresses I get:
My plan is to have an exact accurate list that everyone could copy in their address book, so we would not miss anyone when we have a message to share...
I have to check at home also from our files, I'll do it tonight or tomorrow...
Have a great day and see ya on Sunday!
JL
driggs@p-inet.net
PRDavi@Yahoo.com
rbaker@cfaith.com
ldhoppe@Yahoo.com
Jtw8217
GOURMET JL
driggs@shelbymotors.com
edwardj68@hotmail.com
offrdk5@insightbb.com
Csdawkins
ECI4XFools
langj@mattoonillinois.org
tgossett@soltec.net
DMoore@CUMTD.com
bernards@dellmail.com
Sabre21c@Yahoo.com
TMarsha@uiuc.edu
jrschwanke@consolidated.net
LeannaKBarnard@Yahoo.com
Kirk.D.McGraw@erdc.usace.army.mil
Kit@IWU.edu
ginfizz813@Yahoo.com
bmaury@tatmans.com
TobyHutch75@AOL.com
TNewsom@insightbb.com
Phildawkns
kgood@midstatetank.com
K-McGraw@CECER.army.mil
shumate@tke-gcc.thyssenkrupp.com
MarkSBarnard@Yahoo.com
rrkmood@hotmail.com
Stump_daddy32@yahoo.com
PRDavi@yahoo.com
LeannaKBarnard@yahoo.com

Edited by author 07-18-2005 10:30 AM
The webpage is updated with the new July meeting date and time:
http://www.4xfools.com/news.html

Good morning,
Saturday was a fun day helping Habitat for Humanity building a new house. We worked on the siding, patching, cleaning, porch... We took some pictures, I am going to send them to Mark and he will post them on the page.
Karen was there too and she is recovering very well from her accident. She is back to work today.
IMPORTANT: WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR JULY MEETING ON SUNDAY JULY 24 AT NOON AT THE "STINKY" PARK. WE REALLY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WILSTEM, THE CLUB ANNUAL PARTY AND OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUES. I am sending an email as well as this message... if you see that I am missing someone in my email list, please forward this message.
Thank you and we'll see you on Sunday!
JL

Hi, JL. I have updated the Fools Events page with the Shelby pictures. Can't make it on Saturday, sorry about that!

Thank you for the pictures, Mark...
Could you also post them in "Fools Events" please?
Hey Guys... what about Saturday? Could you let us know if you are coming, please?
Have a great evening!
JL

The website has been updated with our pictures from the Shelby event: http://www.4xfools.com/pictures/shelbys/

Good Job Mark, thank you...
Members, could you, please, let me or Rosa know if you plan to be there on Saturday? (habitat day)... This is important...
Officers, could you, please, answer to my email about July Meeting?
Thank you everyone!
Have a great day!
JL

The website is updated with our current events. Please go to: http://www.4xfools.com/news.html

Good morning everyone,
Attached is Rosa's email about the Habitat for Humanity Day...
Please, let me know if you plan to be there...
Thank you and have a great day!
JL

Hello,
I do not have the club member's email addresses
together, so I thought it might be earier for me to
send you a reminder and ask if you could send it out
to all of the members.

The club is scheduled to volunteer for the Habitat for
Humanity build on Saturday, July 16th at 1310 West
Eads in Urbana.

Typical workday schedule:
7:45-8:00AM -Volunteers arrive on site
8:00AM -Morning meeting and devotions
10:00AM -Mid-morning break
12:00-12:30PM -Lunch(will be provided)
2:00PM -Afternoon break
4:00-4:30PM -Finish tasks and clean up

Drinks, snacks and lunch are provided

Please email Rosa with confirmations.
Thank you,
Rosa Davisson
373-4863
643-7220
prdavi@yahoo.com

Good evening All,
a few reminders...
4th of July... Yvette and JL's house, 1402 Adams Street... bring your swimsuit and towel... 4ich... and a side dish... we will have plenty of entree food for everyone!
July 9th... Phil needs some help with his truck... 9:00am is the time...
July 16th... a very good oportunity to show that our Club is helping people around... I hope that we'll have all the details about that house by Monday July 4th, we'll talk about it...
Check the new date for JULY meeting... Jon sent an email to the group... I dont have a problem with the change... let us (him) know if it is okay with you...
BTW... how do you like that weather? we love it here... the water is at 90 degree right now!!!
We hope that we'll see you all on the 4th!
Yvette and JL

Sorry, work day changed to SATURDAY, July 9th.

Edited by author 06-27-2005 08:31 PM
Well, I've hinted around about it, but I guess it just didn't quite take. I NEED HELP FIXING MY TRUCK!!!! Some air tools would be nice as well. (Hint hint David....hehehehe) Anyway, I'm setting a FIRM date of July 9th, 2005. I have most of the parts I need, I think. We'll start about 9:00AM, and no idea how long it will take. I have one Pathfinder with a bad engine and a good manual tranny, and another Pathfinder with a good engine, but NO automatic tranny any more. I need help putting good manual tranny in truck with good engine. Have new clutch and everything. Transfer case will go with tranny, so it won't be light. I'll supply some food, drinks of your reasonable choice, parts, and some hand tools. Please reply if you can show up to help. I'll talk with some of you more at JL's party.

Thanks for all your help!!

Hi Everyone...
Saturday @ Shelby was a great day... Thank you to all of you for your help... I talked to a manager there and he suggested that we could do that 2 or 3 times a year... I think that it is a good idea.
It was fun, we met new "potential" members and we actually made money for the Club! What else do we want? :-)
Hey, remember that July 4th is our open house... after the parade... 4 ich... bring a side dish if you wish... and dont forget your swim suit and towel...
We'll see you soon!
JL

Hi Everyone,
This is what we talked about at the windy meeting last Sunday about the Shelby event on Saturday June 11… 11:00am-2:00pm!!
- We meet there at 8:00am.
- We decided the trail(s).
- Stacy and Jon will be the safety trail instructors for the day.
They will cover:
. Seat bell
. No wheeling alone
. Only go on designed trails
. No alcohol drinking
. Driving techniques… Jon is going to email us his “program”
- Other members will take the Jeep owners around the trail #1 and “offer” them trail #2 also (rocky side)
- Bring your own drinks – Dennis will provide food for the “workers”.
- Yvette and JL will bring their canopy, marking paint and pole and the 2 “4xFools” wooden signs.
- Theresa and Dave will bring wooden sticks for the tape.
- Jon and Stacy will bring a roll of caution tape, 12 cones, and the club flag.
- Ron will bring a roll of caution tape.
- Dennis will bring 12 cones, his canopy and 5 or 6 lumbers from his back yard.

At the meeting, we also decided NOT to enter the Champaign Parade on the 4th of July… Mark will post a list of places and times for small town parades…. Everybody is welcome to join if they want to.

4th of July is Yvette and JL’s “Open House” again… Bring a side dish and your swim suit… It starts right after the Champaign Parade… (4ich)

We also have 2 new Members in the Club... Dave Bernard and his wife were voted IN on Sunday! Welcome to the Circus!! :-)

Remember… we decided to help the building of a house with Rosa,.... July 16th is the day!
We will let you know time and place as soon as we know.

Next meeting…. JULY 17th… Peterson Park in Mattoon… bring a side dish….Stacy and Jon will provide the main entrée…

Attention: July 17th is also the dead line for Wilstem…. Be sure that you pay everything by that day!
$ 40.00 per adult
$ 20.00 per child
$ 133.00 for the room for the WE
$ 10.00 per person if you want the Friday night Dinner
Register forms are on their webpage.

See ya’ll on Saturday!
Yvette and JL

Kirk,
I will see you in the morning, but I saw Dave Bernard today and he told me that he wont be able to be there for the "clinic" tomorrow.... his Dad is at the Hospital and Dave needs to be there with him...
Thanks...
JL

Hi Everyone,
Since I did receive only 1 vote (Thanks Mark) on tomorrow meeting location, I think this is much better to have it at Stinky Park again this month...
1. it is closer that Centenial...
2. It is going to be a busy meeting...
3. I suggest that we all go to Shelby and look at the place for next Saturday. We stopped by with Yvette a few weeks ago and with Dennis' help, we came out with some pretty good ideas for the Jeep101...
Simple "trail" , but good enough to help new Jeep buyers to know a little bit about their truck's performances... Lets talk about it tomorrow!

I hope that we 'll see a lot of you tomorrow!
Have a great evening!
JL

Good evening,
My yearly agenda is ready... I will present it on Sunday at the meeting.
I hope that a lot of members will show up...
Have a great day!
JL

Hi,
if you dont know where Kirk's shop is...
Corner of Cuningham and Airport Rd. (front of Farm and Fleet)
Kirk's shop is one of the storage building (a nice one!)... (east side of Cuningham)
We are going to Attica on Saturday... "rendez-vous" at Farm and Fleet at 7:00am sharp...
Dont forget to let me know where you want to meet on Sunday... so far, Centenial Park IS the place...
Take care y'all...
It's great to be a fool!
JL

The event is on Saturday June 11th at Shelby's from 11am-2pm. A radio station broadcast, food from Goodwood BBQ, and "Off Road 101" from the 4XFools, is all part of the Saturday activity.
When would you like to meet out here at Shelby's? Sunday? I'm sure that would be fine. The building is closed on Sunday, but we could act like we are customers "just looking".

My shop is located across from Farm & Fleet on Cunningham Ave. in Urbana. I am in unit 223 of Own Your Own Storage.

I am concerned that we are not organized for the event at Shelby's. I recommend we meet at Shelby's and plan how we will set up for it.

Dennis, can you get permission for us to meet there? Also, what time is the event?

Hi Everyone,
Just a reminder... Sunday is our "Clinic Day" at Kirk's shop... It is a very good time to have your rig checked (for free) by a professional!
Meeting is the same day, at 3:00pm... I suggested the same park as last time, but Dave Bernard suggested Centenial Park in Champaign... What do you think? Let me know and we'll go to the most popular one (your vote)...
We will have to discuss about the following weekend at Shelby, our agenda, the 4th of July parade (Champaign and/or St Jo), plus other businesses...
Being present to our meetings is very important... I hope that we'll see a lot of you on Sunday!
Have a great day!
"It's great to be a Fool!"
JL

Good Afternoon,
Where do you guys want to have the next meeting?
I don't agree to pay $25.00 for the room at Hickory River.
Anyone with a suggestion? (the park sounds good to me...)
I am pretty sure the weather will be nice then...
Lettuce know! (it's okay coming from a Chef!)
It is on June 5th, 3:00pm, after the Car Clinic at Kirk's Shop.
See ya Friday...
It's great to be a Fool!
JL

Good morning,
I got a few very interesting emails back from my June 11 Shelby event email. Thank you... I will bring them with me at the next meeting.
I hope that we'll see a lot of 4xFoolers at the Cruise on Friday! Remember, we meet at Stake and Shake between 5pm and 6:30pm...
How was Redbird? Nice turn out? No dammage?...
Well, that's it for today... have a great day!
It's great to be a Fool!
JL

Good work J.L. !!!
 
1. I'm not friends with the owner of Hickory River. I am not in favor of spending $25 for the privilege of eating their food (I don't have a Sam's card either). We could just show up and hope to get tables together or we could try someplace else. No big deal.
 
2. I think I understand what Shelby's has in mind. At the Detroit auto show the created a trail with rocks, a water section, a steep uphill section, etc. People stood in line up to two hours to be a passenger going over the trail. The goal is to create something that "gives a taste" and enables us to provide instruction without any chance of vehicle damage or personal injury.
 
I recommend we start simple. If Shelby's likes it, we can improve the course every year. I don't like the idea of milk jugs etc. which will look like trash and damage our Tread Lightly! image. We could mark the course with chalk or marking paint. For obstacles use railroad ties and cones this year. Perhaps next year we have a load of rock brought in...
 
3. The name is tricky. I like "Off Road 101" or "Introduction to Off Road Driving". My vote is to leave our name out of the advertising, but have cards ready to pass out to the participants. I don't like the off road in the name (Tread Lightly!), but then "Trail Riding 101" just doesn't have the catchy ring to it.

Good afternoon...
A few things:
1. we stopped by Hickory River Restaurant (is that the name this time?) on Cuningham, and asked to reserve the room on the 5th of June, they wanted to charge us $25.00 for it... Should we confirm or find another free location? Kirk, do you know the owner and could you talk to him? Let us know, please and/or we can find something else if necessary. Thank you.
2. We also stopped by Shelby to see Dennis... the event is on June 11, 11:00am - 2:00pm, "a" radio station will be there (dont know which one), the area around the pond is great... I would like to go and see it with other members, but we could "build" a kind of a "mini trail" with at least 3 or 4 different realistic situations we face when we go wheeling... nothing too drastic or dangerous of course, but we could start with a "down hill" kind of trail, then go over some small stones (2options),
experience a little "side hill" course, then slalom between "fake" rocks (okay, we need your help on that one... Dennis suggested that we all save our milk, water and/or juice gallon jugs... that day we can fill them up with water and use them as "rocks"... we will need about 50), the last "obstacle" could be some lumberyard (Dennis said he could probably find some around his farm, but let us know if you have something we could use...Mr. Barnard???).
It should take 5 to 6 minutes to ride the trail.
4XFools members will be waiting at the start line of the trail and "offering" help to anyone with a Jeep who wants to try it. The 4XFools "instructor" will sit in the passenger seat and explain the driver about the different "challenges" of the trail.
Now, about the name of the event (for advertising purpose)... Dennis came out with "4X4 101 CLASS BY 4XFOOLS CLUB"... I like it but maybe "JEEP 101 CLASS BY 4XFOOLS CLUB" will be more appropriate since Shelby sells Jeeps and the whole Day event/sale is about Jeeps)
"no offense Pathfinder or other brands drivers!!! :-)"
(Dennis said that it was okay for all 4xFools members to use the trail)
The other side of the pond is a little more "rough"... we could give the audiance a little show if Shelby agrees.
I have a canopy we can use that day to set our flyers and business cards...
Dennis will have his smoker with excellent sandwiches on site and... did I mention that all helpers will receive free food? (bring your own drinks).
I suggest that we all go to see the area after the meeting on the 5th.
Well, call or email or post if you have any questions...
We'll try to answer the best we can... and if we dont know the answer, we'll make one up!!! :-)
Take care...
"It's great to be a Fool"
JL

Hi Everyone...
Thank you for coming to the meeting yesterday... Man, it was cold and windy!!
Next meeting will be on Sunday June 5, at the restaurant "Smoky Rivers" (is that the name?)on Cuningham, after the "car clinic" at Kirk's shop...
I will call Dennis tonight and find out about June 11... I'll keep you posted.
For the ones who will go this weekend, have a save trip and a good time at Redbird!
JL

All looks good! Lots of thought went into that, I can tell! Very simple and succinct rules.

Some minor considerations:

Seatbelts on while moving, penalty being disqualification, or clock stoppage, maybe one warning? More?

Course officials have final and complete say on ANY matters, saftey or rules.

The "Backing" clause will also probably require the "judge" to have some sort of marker to acess the stoppage of forward progress, and resumption thereof.

I can also see penalty seconds having to be adjusted based on course length. A very short course may require penalty seconds to be reduced to say 5.

Is the penalty for leaving the course a bit stiff maybe?

Again, LOTS of good thought put into those rules. Not trying to tear down, but build up.

Hey gang, what do you think of these rules?

2005 Lipstick Challenge Rules (Proposed)
This is a timed event over a fixed course that emphasizes driver skill. The objective is to complete the course in the MAXIMUM possible time. One (1) passenger is allowed but must remain in the vehicle while the clock is running (no spotter). The following conditions will stop the clock and result in penalty points:

Stopping - 1 point
Any loss of forward motion is considered stopping. Situations such as "bumping" a ledge or pausing for the safety of a course worker are left to the discretion of the course workers. The driver may exit the vehicle to assess the obstacle. Rock stacking is not allowed.

Backing up - 2 points
To prevent gaining advantage from backing, the clock will restart when the vehicle passes the point at which forward motion stopped, not when the vehicle resumes forward motion. Note that there is no additional penalty for stopping before backing.

Winching - 3 points
The driver (and clock) resumes after course workers and recovery vehicle (if any) are clear of the course. There is no additional penalty for stopping before winching.
  
Leaving the Course - 5 points
To prevent gaining advantage from leaving the course, the clock will not resume untile the vehicle passes the point it left the course.

Total time will be computed by subtracting 10 seconds for each point from the elapsed time. Longest total time wins.

Hi All,
Just a reminder...
The next meeting will be at the AMBUCS Park (Stinky Park) in Urbana on 05/15/2005. The meeting will be at 4:00 PM.
BYOF and D
See you there!
JL

David,

I appreciate that you have invested a lot of time, effort and money in your club. I understand the reasoning behind your offer.

I too have invested a lot of time, effort and money in our club. I was very excited about a partnership between our clubs, but am not interested in joining the Mud Daubers. This is not something that is likely to change.

It is a shame that we were not able to work out this partnership on a one year trial basis. You would have found we a dedicated group that would have spent a lot of time and money improving the trails on the land.

I'd like to end on a positive note and say "Thank You" to you, Steve and the rest of your club for considering allowing us to wheel on your land and taking the time to give us a tour.

To all members of the 4xfools club that are ,or were interested in sharing our facility. I am sorry we have had a problem with working out an agreement. I think this could have been avoided if STEVE had not given you the impression that you could ALL join for $800.00. We had discussed this and our members ,except STEVE, felt that your members should pay the same as we do. When J.L. and JON came to our meeting we(club officers) had never addressed the idea of your club, or any part of your club,
joining for a flat fee of $800 . Consequently, we had to attempt to create a major change to our club's structure and rules, with only a short time to do this.
We felt, and still feel, that we arrived at a fair rate for your members to be able to come on our property. $55.00 /ea for 15 members is LESS than anyone has ever paid to belong to our club for one year.

I (Pres. David P. Gutterridge) have been in this club since 1982 and have been Pres. since 1985.
There was a time that I paid 1/2 of the lease myself just to keep the property. Our dues are set each year in MAY so if any of your members want to join our club or take advantage of the offer we made your club, we need to know prior to our May 15th meeting.

In conclusion: I apologize for the misunderstanding and truly am sorry about the way this worked out. Our member that you were dealing with mislead you and misrepresented us.
If you wish to contact me , J.L. and JON have my phone # , or you can e-mail me at dgutt@cooketech.net


sincerly,
David P. Gutterridge
President: MIDDLEFORK MUDDAUBERS 4X4 CLUB
                  DANVILLE,ILL

Hi Phil. I sent you an e-mail with the password. Sorry about that! There are also instructions on how to change the page that comes up.

Have fun.

Hi Everyone,
I am very desappointed with our meeting yesterday in Danville and would like to call for a special meeting with all the 4xFools members ASAP.
I will send an email tonight, but if you read this message, please let me know when would be a good day for you for the meeting... it does not have to be long. We can have that meeting at our house, a week night around 6pm...
Have a GREAT day!
JL

See you all tomorrow... Steve confirmed our meeting today.
We will meet first at the restaurant (too cold outside), then we'll go see the place.
Have a great evening.
JL

Ummmm...I know you can't post it here, but whats the password???

It's done and posted to the site.

That's easy JL, I'll set up the page when I get a chance and e-mail you the address and the password.

-Mark

Hi Mark and Phil...
How hard would it be to have a place on our web site where only members of 4XFools (with a password) could go and where we could store Club information such as Meeting reports, Financial reports, 4XFools Business...?
What do you Guys think? (all members)
Email me with comments...
Have a GREAT week!
JL

Good morning...
As I said in my email, we are all set for Sunday... we will meet Steve in Danville at 1:00pm. We have to leave Farm and Fleet at 12:15... Lets try to get as many members as possible for that event!
We should also get an answer to our 2 questions: 1. Can we pay $400.00 now and then the next $400.00 later? 2. Can we see a "contract" between both Parties to avoid problems and/or issues in the future?
Have a GREAT week!
JL

Are we still okay for our 1st Board Meeting on Sunday at 4pm at our house? So far, Phill and Yvette (!) said that they were going to be there... Let me know, please.
Go Illini!!!!

I had a powerpoint icon in my tool tray, and it would light up when I got onto our web-site. The icon is gone and I have no idea how to bring it back up, or how to play on our web-site.

Hey, Jon. Can you be a little more specific about the problem that you are having?

Phil, April 9 is a Saturday.

I think we should go to their meeting and see what they have to say about the land... Don't forget, this is also the weekend we have our first board meeting...
Is Sunday April 10 a good day for everyone? I'll send an email to the officers this week...
Have a great day!
JL

Ok, Mud Daubers meeting. When and where? I'll see you all there AFTER Stormin' Springfield '05 on Friday, April 9.

I know that not alot of Fools sees this (yet) but the next muddaubers meeting is on april 9. If we're interested in the land, then I think we need to go to meet up with this group, let me know what you think!

hey Mark or Phil, my powerpoint thingy isn't in my tool bar no more, how I fix? Jon

Nice place!
I hope that we'll see you all at the next meeting...
JL

Yes I was AWOL again! Hey Phil, good job on the website, I like the new look for links.

by the way... ME LIKEY!!!!

You were A.W.O.L. again!!!

I thought you would be the first to find it! Yes you will get a prize at the next meeting, provided I am no longer AWOL.

I found it first!!! Do I win a prize??? Good job Mark!! See ya all later today!!!

Edited by author 03-10-2005 05:31 PM
Greetings fellow fools and welcome to our new discussion board. We can use this to post items for sale, or upcoming events, or anything else that you would like the group to comment on. Feel free to post what you like...

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