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Topic: CSE 291 Assignment 3, Winter 2005
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Charles ElkanPerson was signed in when posted  26
02-12-2005 03:47 PM ET (US)
/m25 answer: Yes, you may assume that the number of cross-sections n is fixed.
Hyun Min Kang  25
02-12-2005 12:13 PM ET (US)
/m21 /m24 Thanks. I understand what you mean. One more question. Can we assume that the number of cross-section is always n? If the organelles are distributed randomly, the number of cross-section will actually vary. So, the distribution should involve the probability distribution of n also. But since there is no description about the density of the organelles, I cannot compute the exact distribution. (Also, the problem becomes much more complicated).
Charles ElkanPerson was signed in when posted  24
02-12-2005 01:07 AM ET (US)
/m21 answer: Yes.
Charles ElkanPerson was signed in when posted  23
02-12-2005 01:02 AM ET (US)
/m18 answer: Natural parameters are explained here: http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/elkan/291/lect08.pdf

The issue is, when you look for an open rectangle, do you have to look in the space of natural parameters, or can you look in the space of original parameters?
Charles ElkanPerson was signed in when posted  22
02-12-2005 12:56 AM ET (US)
/m19 answer: One lesson to learn from this problem is that widely used terms may not have a universally shared definition. You should make the definition you use clear.

The wikipedia is an excellent reference. Here is a paper that explicitly discusses the confusion:
http://www.hpl.hp.com/research/idl/papers/ranking/ranking.html

For the contemporary importance of power laws see
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/294/5548/1849
Ryan Kelley  21
02-11-2005 11:40 PM ET (US)
\m20 Just as a random variable has a distribution, so does some function of that variable. Since an estimator is just a function of the data, it will some distribution as well. In your example, if x1,...,xn are iid gaussian(\mu,\sigma^2), then avg(x1,...,xn) will follow a gaussian distribution with mean \mu and variance \frac{\sigma^2}{n}
Hyun Min Kang  20
02-11-2005 09:44 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 02-11-2005 09:44 PM
In problem 4, I don't get the last sentence. What did you mean by "distribution of estimate"? For example, if avg(x1,..,xn) is the MLE of \mu in Gaussian, what is the distribution of the estimate?
Hyun Min Kang  19
02-11-2005 12:37 PM ET (US)
/m17 Thanks for the information. I found dirichlet there, but Zipf distribution is not stated clearly, and there is no power law distribtution. Where can I get these info?
Hyun Min Kang  18
02-11-2005 12:33 PM ET (US)
In part 3(c), "Explain carefully whether or not the theorem relies on the exponential family being described using its natural parameters." I don't get that part. What does that mean, and what I am supposed to explain?
Banu Dost  17
02-11-2005 05:19 AM ET (US)
from wikipedia.com
Banu
Hyun Min Kang  16
02-11-2005 03:03 AM ET (US)
Where can I get the formal definition of Dirichlet distributions, power law distirbutions, and Zipf distributions?
Charles ElkanPerson was signed in when posted  15
02-10-2005 11:55 AM ET (US)
/m10, /m11 answer: Yes, the binomial assumes N is large. You may assume this; I should have mentioned it in the problem statement. No need to do the more difficult hypergeometric calculations.
Charles ElkanPerson was signed in when posted  14
02-10-2005 11:52 AM ET (US)
/m10 answer: I think the reasoning with the binomial is correct, and the hypergeometric is not needed for this problem.

Be careful with this claim: "if the actual N is less than the claimed N, we would expect to see more tagged animals." I'm not saying it's false (or true) just that it requires careful thought to be sure.
Charles ElkanPerson was signed in when posted  13
02-10-2005 11:45 AM ET (US)
/m7 answer: I discussed this with Ryan, and I think he is correct.

This does not mean that the Gaussian-based answer is incorrect, just that it may be unreliable in the real world. It points out the need to investigate which distribution(s) model real-world returns well.
Stephen Krotosky  12
02-09-2005 07:50 PM ET (US)
/m11 Oh I see. Thanks. I didn't think about the fact that I was assuming iid. That makes perfect sense.
Jan Schellenberger  11
02-09-2005 07:47 PM ET (US)
/m10

That seems reasonable. The hypergeometric distribution is a generalization of the geometric and if N were large you could use the binomial.
However, if N is small then your samples are no longer iid (finding a tagged animal decreases the chance that the next animal observed will be tagged). The hypergeometric distribution takes this into account.

-Jan
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