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Lisa De Witt  79
05-09-2006 09:23 PM ET (US)



Sai Baba Exposed just HAS to be the center of attention everywhere he goes. Notice how Dadlani is ALWAYS trying desperately to monopolize the conversation and ALWAYS bossing people around teling them how they should think and act, etc.. Notice how he is trying desperately to kiss up to Freestone. How pathetic. The usual childish Dadlani playing his mind games like the dork he is.

Nobody is being kept from expressing themselves bozo It's not like they have to stand in line. Pathetic how you CONSTANTLY make up stories. Did your parents teach you to be such a con artist? Must work on all the dummies you hang out with.

Grow up bozo. You sound like an idiot.
Lisa De Witt  80
05-09-2006 09:42 PM ET (US)
Sanjay is trying to pull another fast one. His comment about semen traveling up the spine to the brain was MUCH earlier on (2003, I think) and Truthbliss called him on it. His direct quote stated, "Semen travels up the spine to the brain." Sanjay was bragging at the time about how he was an expert in tantra and was claiming he had learned tantra from a master. Turns out Sanjay lied about meeting Vimalanda as Vimalanda died when Sanjay was five years old.

If Sanjay would just stop lying we might be able to stop talking about his continuous lies. Don't count on it happening.
Lisa De Witt  81
05-09-2006 10:16 PM ET (US)
There is absolutely NOTHING constructive about Sanjay Dadlani and his continuous attempts to undermine the truth regarding Sai Baba. The anti-Sais don't want to know the truth. All they want to do is be "right" and they will ignore any and all evidence to the contrary in order to prove their childish viewpoint. They have a win at all cost mentality. For example, Alaya Rahm, poster boy and movie star for the anti-Sais just lost his lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society but you won't hear a peep out of them about it. It won't be listed in their "NEWS" section because they don't want YOU, the general public, to know about it.

Read about it here:

http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/
Tony O'Clery  82
05-11-2006 03:43 PM ET (US)
Namaste,
>
> The are many claims that sb cures people, some actually are
> spontaneous remissions some are temporary energising. The real
proof
> comes when sb call somebody to India to cure them and then cannot.
>
>
> http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex_baba/engels/articles/nocureatall.html


and this:
Hi Tony,
Liked your comments on yahoo groups.
Are you aware that Joy Thomas wrote in one of her books about how SB
forced her to walk and took away her wheelchair... when she could not
manage without it. (She also tells how, when she and Raye finally
moved to India and the ashram, they were totally neglected by all the
former eager helpers... and forced to live in a room where people
were
walking past day and night. Further, Joy died in a Sai hospital
through lack of blood!
Many people in whellchairs can manage a few steps or can actually
walk, butnot for far or long/ SB makes great use of this fact.
Believers are so excited when he takes their hands that they make a
great effort, in the hope of being cured. But they almost certainly
never are.
R.
Namaste,

Yes I used to correspond with Joy when she was alive, and she used to
read the sainet. She trusted sb too much even with regards to taking
or not taking medicine. Her daughter know more about this than I
do....Tony.
Tony O'Clery  83
05-11-2006 03:44 PM ET (US)
Sai Baba called her and couldn't cure Dorothy

 

Date: 12-08-05

From: Tony O'Clery

Email: aoclery@yahoo.com
 

Namaste,

Unfortunately for sb this is all documented by his favourite author Murphett. sb told Valmai Worthington to tell the 'Pink Twins' from Australia to be cured of their arthritic knees by him. He even told them to cancel their appointments for knee replacement surgery.

They came, he circled his hands over the knees, with coloured vibhuti and then walked her around to show a cure. She could manage to walk a little anyway, but in pain.

I was a member of the SWARA centre - where Dorothy and her sister worked -, for the years 1986 and 1987, with partial year attendances through to 1992, after that my Australian attendances were in the Sydney Centres only, and I was the secretary of the Vancouver sai centre and was well known in Canada

 

 

On February 3, 2002, a Peace Pole was planted at Sunshine Welfare and Remedial Association (SWARA) in Brisbane, Australia by SWARA founders Dorothy and Moyia O’Brien and other Sai Baba devotees.

The two sisters – known as the “Pink Twins” for their matching pink colors – established SWARA for those disabled in accidents.

On February 14, a World Peace Prayer Ceremony was held at the new Peace Pole by 50 disabled residents and local students. WPPS Director Deborah Moldow delivered a keynote speech on “Inner Peace as a Path to World Peace” at the World Goodwill Symposium held on November 17, 2001 in New York.
 
 


My friend lived with them, and my children knew them both as well.

So it was more than a passing acquaintance. There is even a photo of me working as a volunteer there. It was sent to India, perhaps it is in the book with all the others.

Well folks that was it, next time in Oz I saw her at the 'Wayside Chapel' in Sydney she was uncured for all to see.

sb is worse than the sunday morning tv frauds.

Remember most get an energy boost psychosomatically at these mass healing etc, and it lasts about 5 minutes. sb preyed on that and he claims to be God so cannot make a mistake even ONCE or he is a fraud.

 

 

"Even he with the worst karma who ceaselessly meditates on me quickly loses the effects of his past actions.'' (Sai Baba...FFWG p.257)

"The omnipresent omniscient omnipotent Sai knows the past and present and future of everyone..." "There is no ailment which he cannot cure, he does cancel the residues of karma..." (Sai Baba... FFWG p.137)
 
 


GUESS WHAT FOLKS SB IS A FRAUD OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH WITH HIS UNHOLY AND OTHER DESIRES

My family knew the 'Pink Twins' and loved them well. We were quite upset to find out that sb had cruelly misused, conned, and mislead these devoted twins just for a bit of extra propaganda for his rotshram. It was probably one of the most despicable acts perpetrated by this pedophile, murderer, embezzler and fraud. It was unconscienable to call them to India to perpetrate this cruel hoax. It shows the demonic tendencies of this palpable fraud.

He used the work they did at SWARA, to bask in reflected glory and con more people into his spider's web of deceit. Except for villagers in India most devotees these days are naive or mentally challenged in some way, except of course for those that have sympathy with his pedophilia or a milking money and name at the centers.

Howard Murphet's opening words in his book, 'my growing public around the world', p iii; show that his own ego was at play. He already had said he wanted to be like Somerset Maugham. So Howard in his blind, bereaved, depressed, deluded state is no example of logical and clear thought unfortunately. Right from the start with his propaganda book full of lies 'Man of Miracles', Howard was always interested in Howard and his writers reputation. Many writes
write sb books for that's all they can get published, most are frustrated writers full of ego and fantasies.

The fact remains Dorothy was in a wheelchair in 1993 and still up to her death in 2003 as indicated by her sister and ABC..

You will notice in this page from a tv interview that Dorothy is still in a wheelchair. No cure from sb the cruel lying molesting fraud.

http://tinyurl.com/dmldg (Not available anymore? Click here!)

From Murphet's book, 'Sai Inner Views and Insights', ch..'Dorothy's Knees'..p116-120. Leela Press...1996.

(It is also on an Ashram Video showing sb walking Dorothy out to the crowd of devotees to show the great 'cure' he had achieved.)

"Dorothy was given a chance to have knee replacement in Brisbane but sb said this... 'No Swami replied... No operation."

Valmai asked him again. 'Swami I want to make sure I understand you correctly about Dorothy's knees. The surgeon says she must have an operation. Please tell me again what you said about that?

Swami replied, quite decisively "No operation I will operate, I will cure her." So being happy about this Dorothy cancelled the surgery after being on the waiting list in Brisbane. She was in Australia at the time but made the painful trip to India for her 'cure'.

The whole thing was a psychological adrenalin show and on return to Australia she found she wasn't cured at all... sb used her for temporary propaganda purposes after they had devoted their lives to him at SWARA.

I knew the sufferers of 'True Believer Syndrome' would be out ranting in their delusions. So here is the breakdown.

1. sb told Valmai Worthington to invite the Pink Twins to the Ashram for a cure of Dorothy's arthritic knees. He told them to cancel the knee replacement surgery as he would cure them.

2. Dorothy used a wheelchair and walking sticks. She could walk a few step anyway.

3. sb using coloured vibhuti tablets made circling motions over the knees. Then said he couldn't make a full cure due to karma. (He calls himself the king of karma so why he would say that I don't know).

4. She was excited and full of adrenalin and probably pain killers, so the walked out to the crowd like a sunday morning benny hinn healing, to show everybody how omnipotent he was.

5. She returned to the sticks and wheelchair, and was seen by thousands during the 90s in that state.

6. In 2003 hundreds of thousands perhaps millions saw her in the wheelchair on TV, and her sister Moiya saying she wished she didn't have to be in a wheelchair. Moiya by the way refused all help and healing from sb, saying that it was for Dorothy as she was much worse.

7. The only contradiction to this comes from a blind and virtually confined to the house failed writer called Howard Murphet. Who complains continually about not being Somerset Maugham.

8. The obvious personal and video tv evidence contradict this poor deluded man.

Murphet also wrote ©1996 p120:

"I have witnessed cases where Swami has made cripples walk, but I did not find out what happened to them afterwards. But since the O'Brien twins are among our closest friends, I can bear witness that the lovely Dorothy O'Brian is still walking without the aid of a wheelchair or crutchs three years after her healing."

But Murphett also wrote p iii.- Inner Views and Insights:

"To explain this I must say a few words about my eyesight. 'For the past half dozen years it has been so impaired that I am unable to read or write.' "

So Howard couldn't see, he was blind and couldn't read or write.

At the public meeting at the Wayside Chapel, known as the Noffery after the Rev Ted Noffs, Dorothy O'Brian finished speaking and couldn't walk far. She walked very slowly with people each side of her just across the room to the hallway where she had to sit down. It was here that I got her the glass of orange juice and she told me and others she wasn't fully cured and it would be gradual. This was all in public view and within the so called 3 years...

Sometimes people whose knees have been destroyed by arthritis, and the cartelidge has gone, can get some relief by losing a lot of weight and taking heavy pain killers etc. My sister has the same problem and is going in for a double knee replacement, thankfully free here in Canada or Australia. Dorothy was still under normal medical care in Queensland. As I have said she could always walk a few steps unaided, then she would need walking sticks, those non straight type, and when she was exhausted a wheelchair.

This puts the lie to sb and 'True Believer Syndrome' to poor misled and conned Dorothy, what a reward for all the work she did in that fraud's name....

Would those devotees suffering from the cognitive disfunction commonly known as 'True Believer Syndrome', please explain why she always needed her wheelchair if sb had cured her...

No, not one of sb's defending devotees have explained why Dorothy needed a wheelchair from the time of the so called cure right up to when she died. A ten year period in front of umpteen numbers of people, and on video and TV.

There are claims that she was walking around for 3 years as cured. This is not true, she was using her walking sticks etc and in a wheelchair, when tired. I don't know what kind of meds she was taking either, although she was under a doctors care for the condition still. There was no time of remission at all. She could always walk haltingly for a short time anyway... There was never any remission.

Yet sb didn't promise only a (3 years) break of her illness (which she didn't get anyway), but a complete cure. Even telling her to cancel her surgery as he would fix her and she would never need crutches and wheelchairs for the rest of her life.

I personally saw her in company of several dozens of people two years later in front of many people and she wasn't cured at all, besides I talked to her during that 3 years. She told me the healing would be gradual; well she died before it graduated.

Moiya, told me that she didn't want sb to cure her as Dorothy was worse. Dorothy suffered from 'True Believer Syndrome', as devotees do these days and couldn't face the fact that she may have wasted a lot of energy in her life believing in a fraud. Even to the exent of not believing her own disabled body, hadn't been cured...

Tony
Lisa De Witt  84
05-11-2006 11:13 PM ET (US)

Exbaba's version of the O'Brien story is like reading the satanic version by Tony O'Clery. Only the demonic try to do what Tony is doing to a dead person. We'll probably find out Tony O'Clery is a satanist.

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Ever since they were small children they have believed that God is love and that goodness and love are to be found in every person. After living full lives as occupational therapists, they retired and immediately established SWARA, which provides meaningful work and education for hundreds of severely disabled people of all ages. They have directed SWARA for the last 25 years based on the principle that God is within everyone and that every person has a wonderful Divine potential eager to be expressed.  The love and joy that flows out through the Twins' autobiography has profoundly moved and inspired many people who have read their story.  The reading of their lives is an absorbing and uplifting experience. Dorothy and Moyia O'Brien are 80 year old identical twins who live in Brisbane, Australia.   "The Touch of the Lord" First published in May 1999.
It describes the lives of the O'Brien twins, "The Pink Twins", and the amazing story of SWARA - the Sunshine Welfare and Rehabilitation Association - which they established after they retired to assist severely disabled people . The real miracle is how can two elderly ladies, both severely hampered in their own mobility, manage to run a workplace for over 200 mentally and physically disabled people, on 2 hectares of derelict government land in the centre of Brisbane with only dedicated volunteers and no paid employees under the constant threat of eviction? Howard Murphett, the renowned author of "Sai Baba: Man of Miracles", "Sai Baba Avatar" and "Sai Baba: Invitation to Glory" writes in the forward - During the 18 years since I have met them, something special has grown in my heart for the unique twins Dorothy and Moyia O'Brien.  This something seems to be a mixture of spiritual love, great admiration and a special respect.  The years too have spread their name and fame throughout the large and growing Sai Organisation in Australia; they are generally known as the "Pink Twins", a name which Sai Baba Himself often uses for them.  The reason for this is that they usually dress in pink - a simple enough reason, yet pink, the colour of love and light, seems to be specially fitting and appropriate.
The cost of the book is Aus$7 plus postage .
   ----------
http://www.ronfarmer.biz/divine/listing/touch.htm
Lisa De Witt  85
05-11-2006 11:25 PM ET (US)
It is important to note Dorothy was in her seventies when Baba healed her in 1993. I guess O'Clery expected Baba to reverse the aging process as well.

Here is the book by Murphet; 'Sai Inner Views and Insights' - Leela Press..1996...
 
Murphet wrote:
p120: "I have witnessed cases where Swami has made cripples walk, but I did not find out what happened to them afterwards. But since the O'Brien twins are among our closest friends, I can bear witness that the lovely Dorothy O'Brian is still walking without the aid of a wheelchair or crutchs three years after her healing."
Lisa De Witt  86
05-12-2006 12:19 AM ET (US)
Tony has made so many ridiculous and contradictory statements and outright lies it is hard to consider him credible. He seems to jump from ism to ism for his spiritual highs.

It's funny to hear Tony accuse others of having true believer syndrome when it is well documented that O'Clery has deep connections to the reptilian conspiricists like Icke, Dan Winter and the guy who runs HiddenMysteries.org.

A lot of defamatory material has been removed from Icke's website after he was sued for defamation by a guy named Warman in Canada.

Excerpts from article by Tony O'Clery on HiddenMysteries.org:

"He bi-locates in his subtle body frequently and I myself along with my daughters have experienced this on more than one occasion. He visits people in their dreams often as well. Many devotees houses have ash and honey manifesting and dripping of pictures in their houses. I have seen this personally in Vancouver, in India at the temple at Sri Rangapatnam and other places around the world."

"I don't know whether he has taken reptilian form but it you read the great Indian Spiritual Epic,' The Ramayana', it is full of the shape-shifters that occupied the planet before Adamic man, and could take any form. "
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine...icles/saibaba.shtml

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:GLMNUt...=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8
Tony O'Clery  87
05-12-2006 03:27 PM ET (US)
I don't know whether it wasn't just thought forms or spirit interference that did the astral appearances of sb. Astral travel is common to all of us in dreams anyway.
To learn about shape shifters read 'Ramayana'.

I only published on icke's site, as anybody can. That doesn't mean I agree with him or disagree with him. Warman has fallen into great disrepute here in Canada generally.
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05-13-2006 02:09 AM ET (US)
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Lisa Warrior Princess  89
05-13-2006 03:28 AM ET (US)
Tony is a lower astral form with impaired thinking due to excessive alcohol consumption...lol.

In the almost fours years I've listened to Tony, he very rarely has anything nice to say. He thrives on negativity. In short, he is a whiner. And not only is he a whiner but he is also a pathological liar as are so many of the anti-Sais. Deception is their favorite weapon.
Tony O'Clery  90
05-16-2006 11:41 AM ET (US)
To put things straight I have not partaken of alcohol since 1985 nor meat either.
dingo  91
05-17-2006 05:52 PM ET (US)
Namaste,

And that is whatever your last thought is, affects your next life
and where you go on the Astral.

So if you die with his image in your mind, you will end up with
other sb devotees on the AStral.

This may be ok if he was a Jesus or Rama but the fact that he is a
anal molesting pedophile full of evil and ego, it is disastrous.
FOR ONE WOULD BE A CAPTIVE SPIRIT, on the Astral and a human minon
on return to the world.

Lovelock the great UK scientist says the world has passed the
tipping point and there is only 50-100 years left for humanity, due
to the effects of global warming. This means only 4 generations
opportunity for rebirth.

DO NOT WASTE IT WITH A BUM RAPING FRAUD LIKE SB.......From the only
barking dingo
Sai Baba EXPOSED!  92
05-18-2006 10:23 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 05-18-2006 10:23 PM
These gits don't seem able to get it into their thick heads that it's all about Sai Baba and nobody else.

Moreover, alcoholism is an illness, and a debilitating one at that. If Tony O'Clery is a recovering alcoholic then he gets my full encouragement and support for that, as do all recovering alcoholics. I find it absolutely inhumane that devotees of a so-called loving God would relentlessly delight in shoving the issue of alcohol constantly into the face of recovering alcoholics, considering that the risk of relapse for recovering is a very real and present danger.

Shame on them, is what I have to say on the matter.

And just in case someone brings up my own references to alcohol and Simon Brace (another abusive devotee of Sai Baba), I have also publicly expressed sympathy for his own alcoholic affliction with all due emotion. The reason why I may bring up Simon's alcoholism is that he also doesn't seem to understand that it's all about Sai Baba and no one else, what to speak of the fact that he constantly points out the fauls (real or imagined) in other people while ignoring his own. To me, that is not the sign of a true spiritualist nor the sign of a true Sai devotee. There are tons of Sai devotees who have far better characters than these guys, why do we have to deal with the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel?
Sai Baba EXPOSED!  93
05-21-2006 09:08 PM ET (US)
Sai Baba is well known for talking a lot of nonsense (such as his declarations to be the Lord of Lords, God incarnate upon earth) but it is very rare to hear of these things being written down on paper.

In marked contrast to his publicised speeches where he says anything and everything that he likes, we'd like to invite you all to find out how The Pen Is Mightier Than The Mouth.
freestone wilson  94
05-22-2006 12:06 PM ET (US)
when I have more time, I intend to write about what baba thinks of the Internet! As i understand what i have read, I think that he says that there is nothing good in it!
or computers.

or Indian movies either.

ah, born before 1960! I have friends now, who are at age 50, who think that the internet is an alien thing, not for them. And that "right click"
is just as an "occult' subject as some dusty tome from 1500 AD!!
[the digital divide]

I will google to see what baba actually SAYS about the interent and computers, soon

freestone
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