As if posting my blogs wholesale on sathyasaibaba2 is any different to compared to Moreno's behaviour, who floods boards with irrelevant rubbish whenever the fancy takes him. Nice to see the two homosexuals openly embracing each other and approving each other's behaviour.

Lisa, stop barking and answer /m589. We are waiting for your explanation. You are in the minority so you have to explain your views. That is, if you can quit it with the schoolchild one-upmanship behaviour that disqualifies you from practising spirituality of any kind. :-)

Say, did you know that Puttaparthi Raju was wearing lockets of Shirdi Sai Baba around in neck when the whole village (and district) was not supposed to have a clue who Shirdi was? That's what I call miraculous, hey? :-)

And despite the fact that nobody in Puttaparthi was supposed to know who Shirdi Sai Baba was, two of Raju's own uncles were openly worshipping Shirdi Baba with devotion. :-)

It makes you wonder about the veracity of Kasturi's writing. When Raju went berserk after being bitten (or not, ha ha ha) by a scorpion and declaring that he was the Shirdi reincarnation, the family took him to a known worshipper of Shirdi Sai Baba in Penukonda who could have verified his identity/divinity, and according to Kasturi dismissed Raju as a lunatic.

Why did they travel all the way to Penukonda when two of Raju's own uncles could have answered the question, what to speak of the Shirdi devotees in Puttaparthi and Uravakonda? Yes, a newer fact shows that even the people of Uravakonda were Shirdi Sai devotees. Well, some of them anyway. :-)

Sanjay, apparently you have learning disabilities if you STILL have to ask what I think about Sai Baba.

Besides that, I do not see any point in discussing anything with you, especially when you are on a drunken rampage and ALWAYS so irrational to boot.

You are like a spoiled child who has constantly soiled pants and nothing consoles you.

Edited by author 10-18-2006 01:08 AM
Too bad Dictator Sanjay.

Since "usedbybaba" is attempting to make his sympathy pitch here, my post (/m596) is entirely relevant. Have problems with it? Leave! :-)

It is nothing less than hypocritical that Sanjay is still citing LIMF as a reliable, honest, objective and accurate book relating to information about Sathya Sai Baba. The implications of Sanjay's acceptance of LIMF (of course) is that the astounding paranormal and psychic phenomena attributed to Sathya Sai Baba in LIMF is similarly reliable, honest, objective and accurate.

Don't you agree Sanjay? Oh wait. You already agreed with me since you keep citing LIMF as a reliable, honest, objective and accurate book. Speaks volumes about the reliability, honesty, objectivity and accuracy of Sai Devotees. Thank you Sanjay!

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

For those who do not understand why CO2000 & I make jests about Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") Serious Drinking Problems, here are the reasons: Posts taken from Sanjay's former "killuminati blog"

SANJAY DADLANI (aka SAI BABA EXPOSED) SAID:

It scares me, because I was able to get over it with drink before, but now it seems that the alcohol does not work. So that scares me. If alcohol doesn't work this time, I gotta cut myself?

F*ck, I shocked myself. I used to take bottles of vodka into college and drink it in the computer room as I surfed endlessly. I'm still f*cking surprised as to how no one ever smelt it on me? So now alcohol ain't gonnabe enough to deal with this sh*t? I need to progress to self-harm? What the f*cking F*CK?!?! I'm losing touch with reality. Someone needs to save me. Who? No idea. Who? Someone, who? Mr. Motherf*cker, I pray to be able to survive.

I have absolutely no idea what I wrote last night, as I was seriously blind drunk. That may or may not be a good thing, but the fact that I lost my blog somehow without posting it, and then to try and pen another one when even drunker was a bad idea...F*ck this drunken sh*t... Actually no.. I LOVE mixin drinks... Makes you more drunk than you have a right to be.. ;) In any case, four glasses of whiskey coupled with two bottles of Stella shoud sort you out .. ;)

I lost my bus pass and the money which was in it to buy my ticket for the Motorhead gig. :( So I got as drunk as f*ck, haha.

The woman is so f*cking ugly. She'd make dogs bark at each other. It's just as well I took a bottle of whiskey, I think I might have needed to get seriously drunk before I could get down to some serious sh*t with her.

By this time I was gasping for a drink. I bought a can of shandy. Lame I know, but it was the first thing I saw. One the way home I stopped off at a pub for a pint of Guinness. Just as I was ordering, some rock/gothic chick in a miniskirt and boots walked in and turned out she was the barmaid there. Gave me something cool to look at while I was supping.

Anyway, what's the point of crying about it now? I cry every night as it is, into my glass of whisky. I drink myself half-stupid every night since I got back and read that f*cking 'Dear John' email. I f*cking hate whisky, but that was the only alcoholic thing they drank in Sri Lanka and I developed a taste for it, so there. Beer will only give you a big belly anyway, liquor is where it's at. The hard stuff. Absinthe? Never tried it. Want to? I'd love some. Even though I'll have to f*cking figure out where to get it from and all.

I really shouldn't blog when I'm pissed; the alcohol makes me incoherent and a bad typist and the text becomes incomprehensible. I guess what I was trying to convey was how it always works out like sh*t.

Maybe I should talk about my deepest feelings when I'm pissed drunk, but when am I NOT drunk? I been crying and drinking every night since I got back from SL. And why? F*ck knows, man. I care for this b*tch, I love her more than anything, and she doesn't even realise..And they say the "real person" come sout when drunk, but I dunno how true that is.

So we were gonna meet up at her place while her boyfriend was away for a week. Ain't that smooth? I took a bottle of whisky coz I thought it'd be fun to have a drink as well as put us in the mood and all that. Throwing away your inhibitions and all that sh*t. And frankly, because she's not that much of a looker, I figure I'd need it. Harsh I agree, but hey, that's just the way it goes.

So the other night when I got so drunk that I ended up vomiting in the kitchen sink, after that I kind of realised how I had managed to vomit my pain out. My grief has considerably lessened since then, even though it is still very much there.

This is the sicko who posts here and tries to convince others of his lamentable arguments.

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-18-2006 08:46 AM
"As far as the 15 years is concerned ,I lived more than that in Parthi "

how young exactly were you when you started living in Parthi, for what reason?
what did you do there for more then 15 years?

Edited by author 10-18-2006 06:53 PM
usedbybaba,
I'm just wondering.
At the time of your abuse...

You were an adult,so I'm just thinking,OK you did it 1 time ,you were confused and shocked and didn't know how to react ,you were caught in the heat of the moment and did what he asked you,simple as that,he was your God.OK.

you said it was nauseating.I got that.

I mean that night after it happened for the first time I'm sure you thought thoroughly about what happened and you analyzed everything over and over again.



So, can you please tell me what was the reason you returned to Sb and gave him another bj for a few more times.

It's really difficult for me to comprehend. Please I'm just trying to understand.

"Kristijan, precisely. You do not believe that they are lying. If you consider it from the other point of view, that they are lying, the whole problem is resolved. Either they are lying or they are hallucinating, the answer is along those lines."

Well, they both appear to be totally genuine ,caring people,you can just sense it ,both are well educated.
So, nope they aren't lying for sure.

Hallucination?
Yeah ,that would be my choice,but there's one problem though.
After she(L.) saw sb next to their bed at 3 AM,she woke J. up and he saw SB leaving their room.
They surely weren't hallucinating,not both of them.

Edited by author 10-18-2006 03:38 PM
"the fact is he tries two to three new persons every month "


that's a lot,so in 15 years that means he molested 540 boys .
In 30 years that's 1080 boys.

So ,is it safe to say that at this point it's a common knowledge in India that sb is an abuser,due to such enormously high number of his victims?

Angelic, usedbybaba's statement was that he was "abused for 15 years". If he was abused for 15 years and the abuse did not start until he was nineteen and in college, that means he remained in the situation until he was approximately 34.

Not only that but I seriously doubt this bozo could ever get into Sai Baba's college. Like Joe said (and I was thinking the same thing) students from that institute are very smart and their english is excellent. Usedbybaba does NOT fit the profile of a student from that school.

lisa de bitch y dont u shut the fuck up u silly lallupanju whore

"lisa de bitch y dont u shut the fuck up u silly lallupanju whore"
ubb,
why are you using different username?
what's the point?

Sai Baba? What's the point? Why are you folks wasting your breath? He's already been proven as a fraudster, you people evidently have too much time on your hands. Get a life.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 11:43 AM
hey,Angel, if u think i did the "om sai" message sorry not me.

by the way is there any way i can retrive a message that i lost because my online connection got diconnected, Angel?
What i wrote was very satisfactory. you would have got a clear picture how this Avatar thing an God is used in India and now abroad. I wrote a full page,Maybe god does not want me to post it?? There was absolutely no abuse.I t was about me and my experience.

can you see the blank page below? that was my mail

Edited by author 10-19-2006 11:46 AM
I have recently updated my thread about Alaya Rahm's Failed & Self-Dismissed Lawsuit with the following information:

Furthermore, regarding Kreydick's sworn and video-taped deposition, Anti-Sai Activists have attempted to cast slurs on Kreydick's integrity and have accused him of being "prejudiced" in favor of Sathya Sai Baba. Ironically enough, in "Response To Form Interrogatories", it was none other than Alaya Rahm himself who cited Kreydick & Family as witnesses on his behalf!

Alaya Rahm claimed that Lewis Kreydick & Family were all aware of "incidents" relating to his alleged molestation and named them (on record) as people who:

1. Witnessed the INCIDENT or the event occurring immediately before or after the INCIDENT.
2. Made statements at the scene of the INCIDENT.
3. Heard statements made about the INCIDENT by any individual at the scene.
4. Had knowledge of the INCIDENT.

Needless to say, Kreydick's sworn and video-taped deposition wholly refuted all these points made by Alaya Rahm. The Society did not actively go out and attempt to discredit Alaya Rahm. Rather, they simply interviewed a witness named by Alaya Rahm himself and obtained a shocking and damaging deposition against him.

It is amusing that Anti-Sai Activists claim that Kreydick's testimony "could easily be contested by expert psychologists". Notably, in pretrial discovery, Alaya Rahm claimed that he had suffered no psychological trauma that would have required medical or psychiatric care. Furthermore, Alaya identified no psychologist who had ever examined him! So it does not appear that there were any "expert psychologists" who were prepared to support or defend Alaya's position.

As a matter of fact, Alaya Rahm never saw an "expert psychologist" and his parents never sent him to one. Rather, the only help that Alaya obtained was a 3 day seminar from the Landmark Forum on "Empowerment, self help and personal growth" that cost $795 in June 2005 (5 years after his alleged abuse and 5 months after he filed his lawsuit)! That's it.

Relevant Links:
- Alaya Rahm Self-Dismisses His Lawsuit Against The Sathya Sai Baba Society
- Scathing Response To Critics

re /m615
Now, "usedbybaba" is claiming he was not abused!

"There was absolutely no abuse.I t was about me and my experience."

Weird.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 12:14 PM
"by the way is there any way i can retrive a message that i lost because my online connection got diconnected, Angel?
What i wrote was very satisfactory. you would have got a clear picture how this Avatar thing an God is used in India and now abroad. I wrote a full page,Maybe ?? There was absolutely no abuse.I t was about me and my experience."
____________________________
but i thought you've experienced abuse?

what do you mean by ..."There was absolutely no abuse"

so you're saying you weren't abused,or there was no use of abusive language in the post?

God does not want you to post it??

so God wants you to post..."There was absolutely no abuse" cause that's what you just wrote!

what are you trying to say??

please post again.

I know you(joe 108) have a website on baba and that is your business and you have to protect it at all costs. You are making money but not making any sense.
Talking to you is like promoting your site.I am not here to do that and i would not be interested in such a Human?? being. One who makes money on other people's emotions is not normal.

"can you see the blank page below? that was my mail"

no i can't.

Joe108, what drugs are you on? How can you defend an exposed pedophile who has raped children? Open your eyes and let the light of God shine in them, not the fake fraud Sathya Sai Baba. Open your heart too.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 12:22 PM
i mean i have not abused anyone in that post.It is a very long thing an i cannot write again.I 'll anyhow try when i am in mood to write.
Angel,Please go ahead and be a devotee.This is not a sarcastic sentence.I mean it .If it helps you you can be a devotee.Ramakrishna paramahamsa the great guru of Swami vivekananda said that even if you believe a theif to be god and sincerely pray to him,your prayers will be answered.In this case,all you have to do is notto hear what we anti sai's are saying except the advice "don't go to parthi, and don't give your money as donation".
if you go there you might get caught and a donation is for the baba not God

"can you see the blank page below? that was my mail"
no i can't.

even i can't see now. i think you have to go to your in box and open an old message and then come from there.It was the 615 or the 616 message or somwhere there.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 01:02 PM
You say that there is a chance that one of was hallucinating .Me or the other devotee friends of yours. Now are you not confused.. You have not seen Baba but has developed a sort of attachment ,Which I call devotion. I was devotee from child hood hearing stories of his Divinity and miracles. I then go to parthi and hear stories of students and lecturers who sacrificed to become close to baba. I was pig headed. Why, because there is an unknown desire in many human beings to be on the side of God and be called by him or talk to him or talk to his messenger. Maybe, the same feeling one gets when one feels that he is a fan of a great Actor or Singer or politician.
Every one of us want to be recognized .Now if we are recognized by God will it not be great. We hope someone is a very revered person and hope that this person has a solution to all our doubts. We need approval from this person for whatever decision that we are making .We would prefer it directly but satisfy his other than “physical” answer, because we have no choice. That is the reason for my not changing myself from a devotee to a non devotee and that is the same reason that some people hallucinate and “get the divine approval” .
To tell you in the words of Swami Ramana Maharishi “ Advita ,Dwaitha and vishitadwitha are all, right, but they are different stages in a person’s spiritual progress.

Meaning you are a spark of the Divine and if you want to see anyone as divine you will see that person as divine, for it is the desire of the person who wanted to see it that way and he/she is after all GOD (who does not know that he/she is divine).

Read books on the subconscious mind and its powers and you may be able to correlate.


Now seeing the sucess of baba,There are many more Avatars and Gurus.For eg. Mata Amritanandamayi inKerala,Bangaru Adigalar and Shiv shankar Baba and Kalki Bhagavan ( the Avatar of this Kalki era)who all have strong force of devotees from Actors to Politicians to scientists to boast of.
Now who is the real guru or Avatar.The unifying factor is that they are all Millionares within a short period. To me they are all nothing but businees people who understood the need for a "GOD SERVICE" and they filled the vacuam and are making money.Unlike people like Raman Maharishi who wore only a loin cloth and Sri Ramakrishanparama hamsa who lived a life of devotion and poverty.

I saw the BBC movie about Sathya Sai Baba and I liked it a lot. It was very informative and helped me to come to my conclusions about Baba. I don't think it matters anymore because the testimonies of sexual abuse were very telling and made a great impact on me.

ubb,
It seems you're still interested in other gurus & swamis and their views on things,you seem to be influenced by their teachings and stuff...it's surprising considering you were sexually abused by one.
You seem very well informed.




"You say that there is a chance that one of was hallucinating .Me or the other devotee friends of yours. Now are you not confused"
_________

No i said i don't think that was the case.


ubb,
what were you doing in Parthi for so long ,more then 15 years you said??

Edited by author 10-19-2006 03:50 PM
/m266
Josephine, I think you should view the new facts regarding Alaya Rahm, the primary "witness" in the BBC Documentary, "Secret Swami". After reading these articles, let me know if you have not changed your mind and why:

- Withheld Facts In The Secret Swami
- Alaya Rahm - Testimonies Against Sathya Sai Baba
- Alaya Rahm's Self-Dismissed Lawsuit

Alaya is not credible.

re /m622
Edward said:

Joe108, what drugs are you on? How can you defend an exposed pedophile who has raped children? Open your eyes and let the light of God shine in them, not the fake fraud Sathya Sai Baba. Open your heart too.

Edward, show me the proof? I demand the same evidence you would demand if YOU were accused of pedophilia and raping children. And name ONE non-anonymous case where Sathya Sai Baba has been accused of raping "children".

As I stated on my site: Anti-Sai Activists wage an unremitting smear campaign against Sathya Sai Baba that accuses him of "serial pedophilia" and the sexual abuse of "boys" and "children". These comments are fallacious, unsustantiated and wholly misleading. "Pedophilia" is the sexual abuse or exploitation of a boy, girl or child 12/13 years of age or younger (Ref). There are no testimonies from boys, children or parents of children that support the erroneous claim that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile/paedophile who engaged in sexual interactions with children. As a matter of fact, the youngest, non-anonymous testimony came from a 16 years old teenager (Jed Geyerhahn) who claimed he received a non-sexual "oiling". This once again goes to show how those inimical towards Sathya Sai Baba resort to cheap propaganda and blatant disinformation because the truth simply does not argue in their favor.

Where is your proof, Edward? Where are you getting your information from?

http://www.saisathyasai.com/

re /m620
"usedbybaba", if you are SO truthful, why don't you provide any evidence that I am making money off my website? After all, you are the one harping about your honesty, truthfulness and integrity. What proof do you have that I am making money from my sites?

You are a liar, a pervert and a deviant, with proof. I can back it up as well: Reference. You call other "whores" and "hookers" with no proof either. You are unbelievable and no one believes you.

Angel"You seem very well informed".
But you are interested only in my sexual abuse right.

BTW,by informed i meant that you know what other swamis say and stuff.I dunno i kinda expected you'd be repulsed by gurus and swamis in general.
SO,what did you do in Parthi for 15 years.Education for 15 years or ...?
You don't need to give years.
Just in general ,what did you do there?Why were you there for so long?

Edited by author 10-19-2006 09:27 PM
"Edward, show me the proof? I demand the same evidence you would demand if YOU were accused of pedophilia and raping children. And name ONE non-anonymous case where Sathya Sai Baba has been accused of raping "children".

GIVE US A PROOF THAT HE IS GOD. GIVE US A PROOF THAT YOU ARE NOT BEING PAID FOR YOUR WORK HERE,GIVE US PROOF THAT BABA IS NOT A PEDOPHILE.

A PROOF IS SOMETHING IRREFUTABLE,LIKE THE GRAVITY.IF YOU DROP SOMTHING IT WOULD FALL DOWN.
i TALKD ABOUT SO MANY THINGS LIKE "MY LIFE IS MY MESAGE " ETC., BUT ALL YOU WANT IS TO ABUSE AND SEND HATE MAILS AND PROVOKE PEOPLE.MY FIRST MAILS WERE NOTHING BUT INNOCENT FACTS BUT YOU AND LISA AND THE SO CALLED SIMON DID NOTHING BUT ABUSE.YOU ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ME AND I REALISED THAT NEITHER YOU NOR I CAN PROVE EITHER WAY.SO WHEN I TOOK A GENERAL TOPIC, YOU KEPT QUITE, WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BREAK THE THREAD OF MY ARGUMENT AND THEN AGAIN WENT BACK TO CALLING ME A NAMES.
ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTION.
IF BABA IS GOD WHY DID HE NOT FOLLOW THE LAW IN THE MURDER CASE/
HE TOLD US HE IS OUR EXAMPLE.
ASSUME I WAS NOT ABUSED AND I AM LIER AND I BAD MOUTH PEOPLE AND ALL THAT .
BUT YOU SAY THAT YOU NEED PROOF .I SAY GOD IS NOT A HYPOCRATE. If he says His life is his message he would behave like a real example.

Usedbybaba, you are nothing but a hypocrite asking people for proof of things when cowardly you can't even prove you went to Sai Baba's college OR your name! And YOU are the abuser buddy. You lie about others, you talk like a disgusting pervert and then blame other people for your sewerbrain!
YOU were the FIRST to start with the abuse by lying about Baba and others. If you don't want to be called a liar prove your baloney in court. Until then your very inconsistent statements are considered lies and that is why you avoid the courtroom like the plague.

And then to top it off you are using other usernames to hide behind while you spout your foul poisons! Nobody is so dumb as not to see Om Sai is YOU!
You are like a worm who thinks he is worming his way out of the mess he is in.

Like I said, you are too dumb to have been in Sai Baba's college. That in itself is proof enough that you are a liar.

Edward, the only people who are proven to be under the influence are the anti-Sais, many of whom have long histories of alcohol/drug abuse and their irratic behavior on the internet seems to be part of that continuing drama. Unlike you we actually did our research and have VERY good arguments as to how we have come to the conclusion that this smear campaign is just that. Shame on you if you are a US citizen who doesn't believe in the legal system. Don't cry to me if you are ever accused of molestation by anonymous people and it is smeared all over the internet for the whole world to see even though you have never been convicted of a crime.

Edited by author 10-20-2006 02:08 AM
Usedbybaba, if you want to sue Baba in Indian court to prove he is a fraud, go for it. How come you bozos haven't tried it yet? Are you scared you will lose? You claim to have all this evidence yet here you are whining on the internet like a five year old. Like I said, fraud is a very easy thing to prove yet you cowards are still on the internet after six years babbling and whining like idiots!

And you are so dumb as not to see how illogical this looks to people who actually have brains! You demand proof yet you are unwilling to prove your sordid accusations. How hypocritical you are, con man!

Joe, as if it makes a blind bit of difference to get into semantics over the definition of children. If enough people say that he is a sexual abuser then that is good reason to stay away and keep your guard up. I can't see how you can have any advantage when you are defending someone who stands charged with very serious accusations such as this. And then there is the idea that he is God! Do you think in your own heart that God would sexually abuse little children when Jesus said in the Bible that children are pure, and that the Kingdom of God is made up of such as them? I don't know how you can stand up in defence of someone who takes away the innocence of children or YOUTHS as you differentiate. This is unconscionable. I hope you can sleep at night.

Edited by author 10-20-2006 11:57 AM
Edward, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. You are a liar, an embellisher and a self-righteous hypocrite. Once again, where is the proof that Sathya Sai Baba is a sexual abuser of "little children"? Where are all the court cases? Where are all the police complaints? Where are all the affidavits? Where are all the parent's defending their "little children"?

You may want to justify your choice of words by resorting to semantics, however, the term "little children" is factually inaccurate. There were only two 16 year olds who were non-sexually oiled and ALL other alleged victims were over 18 years of age and adults. If you want to call teenagers and adults "little children", that is your choice. A choice that proves you do not care for facts or the truth and that you have some sort of agenda to push (which appears to be a Christian one). Take your unconscionable lies up with your Bible, your conscience and your sleep.

Once again, show me the proof.

Joe, you obviously don't know how to hold a conversation and now you have become completely abusive. I should have known there's no talking to brainwashed devotees of evil child abusers. So you are an atheist? No wonder you hate Christians because people like you will never find the love of Lord Jesus Christ. I'm sticking to what I originally said yesterday that you folks should get a life because it is just a waste of breath to talk about an evil person like Sai Baba.

This is a nice website: http://www.ramanuja.org/

Edited by author 10-20-2006 12:15 PM
Edward, want to talk "abusive"? See your first post to me where you asked me "what drugs are you on?" (/m622). Once again, the word "hypocrisy" seems to be appropriate.

Edward, the fact remains that you are a liar, an embellisher and a Chrisitan self-righteous hypocrite. You have no proof to support any of your claims against Sathya Sai Baba. So far, I have asked you for proof twice. I will ask you again: Show me the proof? After all, since you are a truthful Christian making serious and criminal allegations against Baba, you should have no problem supporting your claims.

You should get a life and stop spreading your libel and defamation on online boards in the name of Jesus (who would not approve of your lies, negativity and hate). So practice what you preach and stop "wasting your breath".

Hi Joe, thanks for the links. But it looks like concentrate way to much on little Alaya and have very little to say about the rest of the BBC movie. Your facts are interesting but I still feel you haven't proven anything concrete. The BBC is a world famous broadcasting company and not a dingy company, so I feel better trusting their reportage of the problem. Thanks anyway.

Joe, I'm surprised at how quickly you've started to act like a little child. What am I supposed to have lied about exactly? And why do you have so much animosity towards Christians like myself? I am not making any allegations against Sai Baba I am just going by what I have read on the Internet. I'd appreciate it if you stop abusing me and talking in a condescending way, talking about Lord Jesus as if you are an expert when it's been a long time since you read a Bible. This is not your board so stop acting as if it belongs to you. More importantly, I'm very disturbed at you don't appear to be concerned at all about any children who may have been abused by this evil pervert and you're only interesting in arguing about their ages and oilings. What do you mean by oilings? And why are you so reluctant to accept this as sexual abuse? Does it really matter how old they are if Sai Baba is sexually abusing them?

Josephine, then you are trusting a broadcasting company that Anti-Sai Activists openly claimed were sympathetic and favorable to their cause. Many Anti-Sai Activists boasted on how they worked with the BBC. Tanya Datta had an established relationship with Premanand (an atheist and critic of Baba since 1968), prior to the making of the documentary. The BBC.co.uk should not be confused with BBC News (which is a world famous news broadcasting company). The BBC.co.uk has been repeatedly accused of bias and they air exclusively in the UK. In the case of Sathya Sai Baba, the BBC's bias is apparent because Anti-Sai Activist's themselves claimed the BBC was biased in their favor! See for yourself: Reference. This one page does not deal with numerous other claims (from Anti-Sai's) who claimed they were working closely with the BBC during its production.

Joe, are you seriously attempting to say that some sections of the BBC are unreliable? You are unbelievable. The BBC is a world famous broadcaster as Josephine said and they went around filming everything themselves. I've seen the BBC movie and it was very good, I don't think you have a case against them. One small guy against the BBC? No way Jose.

Edited by author 10-20-2006 01:09 PM
Edward, let's see: You lied about Sathya Sai Baba being an "exposed pedophile who has raped children" (/m622), someone who "takes away the innocence of children" (/m637), someone who "stands charged with very serious accusations" (/m637), that I am a brainwashed devotee of an "evil child abuser".

Where is your proof that Sathya Sai Baba is:

1. An "exposed pedophile who has raped children".
2. Someone who "takes away the innocence of children".
3. Someone who "stands charged with very serious accusations".
4. That Baba is an "evil child abuser".

Despite publicly making these bold-faced, libelous and defamatory lies and accusations, you have the audacity to say "I am not making any allegations against Sai Baba I am just going by what I have read on the Internet". Perhaps you need to do an internet search on the non-historicity of Jesus Christ (boy are you going to be in for a rude awakening). Are we to believe everything we read on the internet?

If your statements about Baba are not lies, as I contend, then you should have no problem supplying with me the proof I am asking you for. Once again, where are all the police complaints, court cases, affidavits, parent's statments defending their children, etc.? Once you show me proof to support your claims, then I will show my concern. Until that time comes, I will hold you responsible for your words, your dishonesty, your lies and your religious bias. Period.

/m645
Edward, I am not the only one who claimed that the BBC was biased. The BBC's bias came with a self-admission from Anti-Sai Activists themselves. Obviously, you are not reading the posts (/m644).

Google search for BBC Bias.

Edited by author 10-20-2006 01:17 PM
/m633
"usedbybaba" GIVE US PROOF YOU ARE NOT BEING PAID TO BE HERE. lol

Somasundaram ,Edward ,Josephine Kabutla ,it's obvious you're all the same person.You're all posting few minutes apart.
I've noticed Sanjay posting in ssb2 at that time,so it must be you.
What's the point?

Joe, you can lead a dummy to water but you can't make him think! All the information people need in order to see the racist campaign against Sai Baba is a farce is on your site, saisathyasai.com. If people are so ignorant that they cannot understand the parameters of the legal system and how it was set up to protect even dummies like them, there is not much hope for them. Now you see how fascism begins and we know the end result.

   joe108 -"usedbybaba" GIVE US PROOF YOU ARE NOT BEING PAID TO BE HERE."

Exactly that is what i am saying and you have now come to the conclusion that nobody can prove ,for or against these allegations.Now that is why i ask you to come to a common point and all of you refuse (joe108 or Lisa or Angel)

Edited by author 10-22-2006 09:36 AM
Angel you keep harping on who is who and refuse to say whether baba is God or not .What if somasundaram and edwards are the same.Will it change the truth.

Edited by author 10-22-2006 09:55 AM
FOr your information this is what i wrote But who wants the truth . I am ready for a common topic, but Angel is interested only in the sexual molestation story when i say it is not possible to prove ,joe says there is no proof( I tell him the same) and Lisa hmm, i don't know what she wants.She told us that everyone is God and When I ask, then what is the special reason for worshipping baba, She says that she has experienced baba,That is as unprovable as my accussations ? So i say read what i say and then we can go ahead.

"I TALKD ABOUT SO MANY THINGS LIKE "MY LIFE IS MY MESSAGE " ETC., BUT ALL YOU WANT IS TO ABUSE AND SEND HATE MAILS AND PROVOKE PEOPLE.MY FIRST MAILS WERE NOTHING BUT INNOCENT FACTS BUT YOU AND LISA AND THE SO CALLED SIMON DID NOTHING BUT ABUSE.YOU ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ME AND I REALISED THAT NEITHER YOU NOR I CAN PROVE EITHER WAY.SO WHEN I TOOK A GENERAL TOPIC, YOU KEPT QUITE, WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BREAK THE THREAD OF MY ARGUMENT AND THEN AGAIN WENT BACK TO CALLING ME A NAMES.
ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTION.
IF BABA IS GOD WHY DID HE NOT FOLLOW THE LAW IN THE MURDER CASE/
HE TOLD US HE IS OUR EXAMPLE.
ASSUME I WAS NOT ABUSED AND I AM LIER AND I BAD MOUTH PEOPLE AND ALL THAT .
BUT YOU SAY THAT YOU NEED PROOF .I SAY GOD IS NOT A HYPOCRATE. If he says His life is his message he would behave like a real example

Edited by author 10-22-2006 10:06 AM
I believe everyone is Goddd.
All is Oneee.
There's no dualityyyyyy.
........SO,anywayyyyyyy,
what did you do in Parthi for 15 yearsss.
Education for 15 years orrrrr ...?
You don't need to give uss yearsssss.
Just in general ,what did you do thereeee?Whyyy did you stayyy there for sooooooooo longgggg?

"What if somasundaram and edwards are the same.Will it change the truth."

what is the truthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

"usedbybaba", fantastic logic there. I am still waiting for the proof that I am making money from my sites. You made that claim. Now substantiate it.

The fact remains that you cannot substantiate any of your numerous defamations and claims. You viciously attack others as "whores" and "bitches". You made the most perverted, filthy and deviant comments to Lisa on the SSB2 Yahoo Group. You come in here making similar defamations against Sathya Sai Baba.

You do all of this anonymously using numerous fake names. You are unbelievable and no one believes you.

Exposing "usedbybaba: Click Here

"what is the truthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?"

The truth is - either baba is an Avatar or he is not, and not whether edwards is somasundaram etc.,
See how you jump from my quetion on "My life is my message" declaration of baba.
You say you answered my questions.
When did you say that you believe or do not believe in Baba as Avatar??
Don't say ,If he was a abuser etc., then he is not an Avatar. You and the others know that it is a very slippery subject (the abuser or not question).
I did so many things in parthi and why should i tell you that when i don't want it to be the subject.
You want a subject other than baba is it not?? that too a quetionable one.
I am sorry i know you are part of these guys who are not interested any post aginst baba for you have been helping their cause sooooooooo much.

how the heck should i know if Sb is an avatar,what am i psychic or what?
you're asking impossible question?
Time will tell.
i don't know and in the end it doesn't materrrrrr since all is oneeee.

btwwww,Why wouldn't you tell me what you did in Parthi for 15 years,did you stay there despite your abuse or whattttt?

If you cannot answer my question and slip away from facts under the assumption that people are not able to understand your ideas, i am sorry.
Everyone knows the fact.You can't even post amail on your own answer on the "Proof" etc.,
When you refuse to come to a topic like "My life is my message" It makes people doubt your sincerity.
B7y the way thank you for mailing the names of so many anti sais.I don't have to search for them.
What have you exposed about me? that is the joke.What if i abuse ? Will it prove that Baba is God? Typical of you to just write the most irrelevant things and say in big letters 'EXPOSED"
My God How professional?????? you are. weired.

Edited by author 10-22-2006 11:13 AM
how the heck should i know if Sb is an avatar,what am i psychic or what?
you're asking impossible question?

Then why are you always siding the Pro baba people,trying to find out who the Anti babas are etc.,and then doing a copy paste of Anti Babas' messages, and in turn trying to help the Pro babas????

NOTE: THE PREVIOUS MAIL IS AN ANSWER FOR JOE 108 and this is for Angel

Edited by author 10-22-2006 11:17 AM
whhhhhhhhhhhy did youuuuuuuu stayyyyyyyy there for
soooooooooooooooooo

longggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg



















?









p.s.

i'm not pro or anti
i'm neutrallllllllllllllllllllll babassssssssssssssssss

Joe108 "You are unbelievable and no one believes you".

Then why are you bothered, your avatar is not harmed atall.Then allow us to write what we write instead of abusing us. Why did you create a web site if you know that nobody is going to believe us Anti sais. Scared is it? Fear that your baba wiil be exposed.

Joe108 "You are unbelievable and no one believes you".

Then why are you bothered, your avatar is not harmed atall.Then allow us to write what we write instead of abusing us. Why did you create a web site if you know that nobody is going to believe us Anti sais. Scared is it? Fear that your baba wiil be exposed.By the way Babais already exposed and we are just making sure that everyone knows about it.

i'm not pro or anti
i'm neutrallllllllllllllllllllll babassssssssssssssssss




Then why are you always siding the Pro baba people,trying to find out who the Anti babas are etc.,and then doing a copy paste of Anti Babas' messages, and in turn trying to help the Pro babas????

i'm not trying to find out who the Anti babassssss are.
I want the truthhhhhhhhh..
get ittttttt,usedbybabassssssssssss

you already know so many anti babas who have even given their name ? what did you do with them .Simply said they are liers or at least acquiced with the pro babas, why??
What do you expect from us. To tell you and others who we are and after all that make Lisa and Joe abuse us.
Why are you not researching about Pro babas and find out if they have an ulterior motive etc. If you do that you can say you are nuetral

"usedbybaba", as I said before: You are unbelievable and no one believes you.

There is no believing an anonymous and faceless hypocrite to defames others unapologetically under the guise of anonymity. Anyone can say anything they like under the guise of anonymity. You are such a person and you have zero credibility (just like Anti-Sai Activists themselves).

Once again, you accused me of making money off my websites. Where is your proof? I think everyone would like to see it, me included.

Exposing "usedbybaba: Click Here

Edited by author 10-22-2006 02:36 PM
"you already know so many anti babas who have even given their name ? what did you do with them .Simply said they are liers or at least acquiced with the pro babas, why??
What do you expect from us. To tell you and others who we are and after all that make Lisa and Joe abuse us.
Why are you not researching about Pro babas and find out if they have an ulterior motive etc. If you do that you can say you are nuetral"
_________________


what did i do with them,.Simply said they are liers ?

ermm ,no that's a blatant lie...i've never called them or anyone else a liar.
I have really no idea what the truth is,so I'm not siding with anyone.
I'm not interested into knowing who you are,nor do i consider you to be a regular typical "anti babas".
You fit into other category,you're a sexually abused victim.
So I'm naturally interested in your story,like i wanna know why you lived there for 15 years if you were abused.I'm not trying to find out who you are,just to make sense of your story.
Obviously I'm not interested in criticizing or defending pro babas since they're entitled to their opinion,it's their thing what they do.
I'm just trying to find out what the truth is and like i said to make sense of your story ,not to find out who you are.
You're just one outta billion Indians to me,you could be anyyyyyyone.

Edited by author 10-22-2006 03:06 PM
So,usedbybabassss

can you please tell me,why did you stayyy there for moreeeee then 15 yearsss.
Thanxxxxxxxx.

/m654

Quit putting words in my mouth usedbybaba. I NEVER said I worshiped Baba (I do NOT worship form of ANY kind). When you speak, speak for yourself. You cannot speak for others even though you arrogantly think you do.

I worship the TRUTH and Baba is a part of that truth. Your lies are NOT. Got that? Can you understand SIMPLE LOGIC?

You did NOT go to Sai Baba's college. Pure and simple, YOU are a LIAR.

/m670

It's exactly comments like these which make you appear even more idiotic and uneducated (besides your incessant incoherent rambling), usedbybaba. Funny that you are treating everyone as a criminal when you can't even prove there was a crime!

You bozos claim you want people to investigate and when they do then you play all kinds of headgames like this. Part of an investigation entails proving whether you, the accuser, are actually telling the truth but you appear to be too DUMB to understand that. No SANE person makes such judgements about another's guilt unless they have ALL the necessary facts to do so. The fact that you think they should (or can) just shows that you are either totally uneducated or VERY crooked or BOTH.

It appears you are using your rambling diatribes (again) as a stalling tactic to avoid answering very pertinent questions about your 15 year claim. Like I said, according to your statements you were allegedly abused from the age of 19-34 before you left Sai Baba. This means you would have been out of college for several years.

Edited by author 10-23-2006 07:22 AM
/m664

If Baba has been exposed and everyone "knows" about it, then how come the legal system doesn't know about it DUMBO? And how come you are too cowardly to prove it in court? From what I can see the only ones who are being exposed are you dummies and anyone else stupid enough to listen to you and your idiotic logic and lies. You keep forgetting YOU are in the minority. There are only about one hundred wackos like you who think you are the great leaders and everyone else is ignorant (even though you can't even spell or speak english correctly...I hope your skills are better in whatever your mother language is...I doubt it is Telugu as you don't seem to understand Sai Baba at all).

Not to mention how idiotic your logic is. According to you, the "great brain," if Baba is the Avatar we should just let you continue to abuse Him by lying because it can't hurt Him! You seem to be totally self-centered and insensitive and forget that you are hurting a lot of people with your abuse but you think it ok for you to abuse and you just admitted that you think it is ok! And apparently you don't believe in karma either OR you would certainly fear its repercussions.

Joe started his site because he saw, as I did through my research, the volumnous lies that are being told, the racism and religious intolerance that is backing those lies and decided to DO something about it. After all, pretty much EVERYONE knows what happened to Jesus when no one stood up to his accusers. NEVER AGAIN!!!! Over my dead body!

Edited by author 10-23-2006 07:26 AM
/m658

Usedbybaba, it doesn't matter what anyone (including YOU) "believes" about Sai Baba. You bozos are making criminal allegations regarding fraud and sexual abuse which MUST be proven in a court room with EVIDENCE, not accusations and GOSSIP, which seem to be your primary weapons of choice! No other religion or religious figure has to "prove" their leader has miraculous powers or authority so you cannot "target" Sai Baba like the rationalists and atheists do just because you don't like him or believe in him. Are you smart enough to understand this or do I have to spell it out more clearly?

Targeting religious figures for personal gain like the atheists are doing, is one of the most unethical and underhanded maneuvers I've EVER seen in my life.

/m650

Kristijan, of all the things I've heard you say, that is definitely one of the silliest. I don't know how you can say that three people can all be the same and that it is "obvious" with furnishing any sort of proof, not to mention trying to connect it to me. I'd ask for proof but I am 100% sure that you don't have any. I can't believe you'd make ridiculous suggestions that I would pretend to be other people. "What's the point?" Correct, there's no point.

Funny how you didn't notice that Gerald Moreno was talking to Edward at exactly the same time, but I don't see you accusing him of pretending to have conversations with himself as Edward or Jsephine Kabutla. And by the way, why would I come on as Somasundaram to promote a site about Ramanuja? You have an appallingly bad record at trying to figure out who is who. You recently accused Usedbybaba of being a woman. Even after I pointed out to you that the "woman's" post was written in 2005, you still believed that he had written in 2005. Only when you went and saw the evidence for yourself did you take back your words. So please, unless you have some hot-shot proof don't connect me to your ideas about different identities.

And I might as well mention, your great hero Andy Rye has exposed himself as a racist. So bang goes all of his opinions about Alaya Rahm, he is no longer a credible witness. :-)

Edited by author 10-23-2006 11:08 PM
Homoreno, are you thick or something? You keep on drooling spittle from the sides of your mouth as you repeatedly keep on asking Edward the same questions over and over again when he himself has said that he has no knowledge of these issues beyond what he has read on the Net.

Get it into your thick head: Not everybody believes in Sai Baba or agrees that he is a saint. Furthermore, people have the right to say whatever they want. And what's your damn problem if Edward is a devout Christian (as he appears to be)? Only you with your silly psychoapthic ideas about Christian conspiracies can think that Edward is a serious threat to the Sai Organisation, he is just a guy with an opinion. Moron. And only an evil pervert like you could try to harm his faith by posting links against the historicity of Jesus Christ. You are a malicious and spiteful toad.

Do NOT go around bullying people and acting as if this is your forum, or I'll kick you in the face with your own proven sleaze and hypocrisy. Got it?

Edited by author 10-23-2006 11:30 PM
/m644

Oh my God, Gerald Homoreno sure makes me laugh!

"Josephine, then you are trusting a broadcasting company that Anti-Sai Activists openly claimed were sympathetic and favorable to their cause. Many Anti-Sai Activists boasted on how they worked with the BBC."

Is Moreno THICK or something?

Why wouldn't the BBC work with former devotees of Sathya Sai Baba to produce their documentary, in order to provide a balanced picture of the man and to prevent it from becoming a total one-sided devotional affair? Moreno would love to erase the controversies and pretend that they never existed, when the sad fact is that they are hear to stay. Respected academics around the world are now sitting up and paying attention now that the homosexual paedophilia allegations have entered the mainstream consciousness. For the love of God, it is even mentioned in college textbooks! :-)

This doesn't make the BBC "biased or sympathetic" towards a cause, faggotface, it means that they have an obligation to research both sides of the same coin. Sai devotees (like Moreno) are just bitter about the fact that they thought a world-renowned broadcaster like the BBC were making a documentary to glorify Sai Baba. Little did they know that the finished product would shock them out of their cocoons and face up to a long overdue reality check. I know, I was there. :-)

"The BBC.co.uk should not be confused with BBC News (which is a world famous news broadcasting company). The BBC.co.uk has been repeatedly accused of bias and they air exclusively in the UK."

Looks like Moreno is losing his marbles. "BBC.co.uk" is a website that "airs" all over the world, moron, not just the UK. Ever heard of the Internet? LOL. If Jackass Moreno wants to talk about websites, then take a look at the official BBC page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/3791921.stm. Notice how the URL is "news.bbc.co.uk" which is a "famous news broadcasting company" according to Moronic Moreno. LOL. What kind of ridiculous silly argument is this?

BBC IS BBC, there is no "this BBC" or "that BBC", idiot. LOL. What an idiotic argument. Sheesh that made me laugh!

As for the BBC's being accused of bias, that all depends if there is merit to the complaint. Complaints are adjudicated by an independent watchdog which also adjudicated complaints about the "Secret Swami" documentary. All of the complaints came to nought. :-) The Independent watchdog (OFCOM) adjudicated in favour of the BBC and there were no findings of bias. Tough luck Homoreno! If Moreno is really concerned about this, then I wonder why he doesn't mention anything about Lisa's accusations of BBC bias in the case of their scandalous exposure of the British National Party (BNP), a far-right political party that is condemned (with good reason) for their racist views against immigrants and "foreigners" in general, exposing her as a proven racist! LOL.

"In the case of Sathya Sai Baba, the BBC's bias is apparent because Anti-Sai Activist's themselves claimed the BBC was biased in their favor!"

They claimed no such thing!

"This one page does not deal with numerous other claims (from Anti-Sai's) who claimed they were working closely with the BBC during its production."

Again, it is plainly obvious to anyone with a brain that a news/journalistic media agency like the BBC (which has a good reputation worldwide for a reason) has the obligation to investigate both sides of the story. Therefore, why would they not discuss with former devotees? I was one of them. Again I say: Sai devotees (like Moreno) are just bitter about the fact that they thought a world-renowned broadcaster like the BBC were making a documentary to glorify Sai Baba. Little did they know that the finished product would shock them out of their cocoons and face up to a long overdue reality check. I know, I was there. :-)

Lisa if your joe is so clear why is that you both don't answer my question on baba, but just abuse to get away. All you both do is call people namems and when we abuse you use it to answer any sensible question.THAT IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Joe108 "You are unbelievable and no one believes you".

I repeat.

Then why are you bothered, your avatar is not harmed atall.Then allow us to write what we write instead of abusing us. Why did you create a web site if you know that nobody is going to believe us Anti sais. Scared is it? Fear that your baba wiil be exposed.By the way Babais already exposed and we are just making sure that everyone knows about it. Edit
Delete

Edited by author 10-23-2006 11:35 PM
Gerald 'Joe' (Ho)Moreno keeps on attempting to show how the BBC worked hand-in-hand with former devotees of Sathya Sai Baba in order to present a biased documentary. If he is so concerned then why doesn't he file a complaint with OFCOM or some other independent agency?

In the meantime, here is the TRUTH behind Moreno's lies:

Gerald Moreno's Media Bias Lies :-)

Bite that.

Lisa De Witt (/m671): "I NEVER said I worshiped Baba (I do NOT worship form of ANY kind)."

In that case, I'm sure you won't mind if I mention that Sai Baba is an aging, graying, balding, paralytic limp-wristed homosexual kiddie-rapist. He has a hairstyle that went out in the 1970s, he wears the same clothes every day, he gets pushed around in a wheelchair and he has rotten teeth. The guy is so damn ugly that he send shivers up people's spines when he smiles at them with his sex-hungry eyes, for Christ's sake he has a unibrow and a double chin! "God" sure is good-looking , eh? Maybe he could live in a house of mirrors if he didn't crack them all every time he smiled.

But all of this stuff shouldn't bother you bcause you don't care about form, right? :-)

And by the way, what kind of a thick and deceitful copycat are you, stealing my comments from sathyasaibaba2 and using them against usedbybaba? You have a proven history of having no original thoughts of your own, and this is just the very latest example. You are in a minority, the world does not agree with your views about Sai Baba.

And I'm glad you made that crazy comment (/m673) because it helped me to consider what a useless self-appointed jihadi Sai defender you are NOT. :-) Get a life you crazy schizo. Jesus hates you.

Edited by author 10-24-2006 12:09 AM
Apparently Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") is posting while he is drunk again.

Poor Sanjay. Looking for some negative interaction with others because no one wants to listen to you in real life. Boo hoo.

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Apparently Gerald Homoreno has nothing to answer except to claim that I am drunk, in a bid to run away from the hard questions. :-)

Tough luck handbag, your lies about media bias are fully exposed. Boo hoo indeed. Look at a picture of an ocean and cry, pinkdoll, LOL. :-)

Gerald Moreno Deception /m269

Edited by author 10-24-2006 12:40 AM
A Full Exposure of Sathya Sai Baba's date of birth and related issues and featuring never before released evidence of the Baba's school records. Complete re-evaluation of the facts in the light of new research that blows apart unquestioned and accepted histories related to the birth and school education of Sathyanarayana Raju aka Sathya Sai Baba.


A New Light - | Introduction | Bukkapatnam school record discussion | Reveals D.O.B. as October 4, 1929 | Discussion of Sri Aurobindo's cryptic remark | Aurobindo hijacked by Sai colluders | Gerald Moreno's criticisms ridiculed |


A New Light 2 - | Criticisms continued | Inconsistent entries on Bukkapatnam record | Bukkapatnam record is not fraudulent | Apologetic explanations for 1929 birthdate | Passports are not evidence of true birthdates | Explanation for Bukkapatnam inconsistent entries | 8th Standard is equal to 'Form One' | Indian education dissimilar to Western education |


A New Light 3 - | Actual sequence of Raju's education different from 'official' sources | Seshama Raju's frequent job transfers | First-time release of Kamalapuram transfer record | Reveals D.O.B. as October 4, 1929 (spelled out) | Transfer form filed after the fact | Raju transferred to Uravakonda | First-time release of Uravakonda school record | Reveals D.O.B. as October 4, 1939 (later corrected year to 1929) | Existence of all three independent evidences confirms 1929 birthdate |


A New Light 4 - | Recap of topic | Recap of apologetic explanations | Facilitation of Raju's career prospects is laughable | Vijayamma Hemchand appears to confirm 1929 birthdate | Problematic 'Declaration' date resolved with 1929 birthdate | First November 23rd Birthday celebration in 1950 | Discussion in light of Shirdi Lies | 1926 and 1940 dates declared an impossibility | Kasturi's sloppy research | Consideration of correct 'Avatar' birthday | Deca