Where is an answer to my question "Is baba worth being followed"
"My life is my message" - how about the murders can he runout without answering the questions that the Press ask??
Calling me Bozo, Lier,Drunkerd is not the answer.
I have learnt lesson .It is said if you don't accept someones' abuse it goes back to him. I send it back to you multifold.

Edited by author 10-24-2006 04:44 AM
Oh, and abusedbybaba, why aren't you asking your family to answer your questions about Sai Baba if you are so "angry" about it? After all, they are the ones who took you to him to begin with so why aren't you holding them responsible? I have nothing to do with your anger. This is just another thing that tells me you are a LIAR. You are not acting like a sex abuse victim would act as far as I am concerned. Your supposed anger is directed at all the wrong people. You have shown absolutely NO anger toward your family who are responsible for taking you to Sai Baba in the first place. Instead you are abusing people who live thousands of miles away and have nothing to do with your situation. If anyone is responsible for stopping Sai Baba IF he were a sexual predator, it's YOU since you claim to know so much about it, yet you are trying to throw the burden and blame on others who know no such thing. And this is ANOTHER thing that makes me think you are lying.

Edited by author 10-24-2006 03:09 AM
/m678

Usedbybaba how come you keep lying and saying that we haven't answered your questions when we have done so MANY times? Are you illiterate or are you too drunk like Sanjay to actually make sense? If you make stupid statements, like you so OFTEN do, you can be sure I will call you on them. If you can't handle higher standards regarding ethics, law and just PLAIN common sense, go play with your new found abusive and sadistic friend Sanjay somewhere else. I dont hear you complaining about Sanjay's attrocious and sociopathic behavior, hypocrite! Maybe because it sounds so much like you when your true self comes out of the closet. Not only are you abusive, you are also very manipulative, deceptive and IMMATURE!!!!

Funny that you think your continuous mind games are getting you anywhere. I've never seen such a cowardly excuse for a "man."
What a whiner. You and Sanjay are PERFECT for each other.

Edited by author 09-29-2009 06:27 PM
/m680

Sanjay, one can see that your homeschooling taught you very little about Hinduism or manners!

See: Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 10-24-2006 08:55 PM
And because of Seshama Raju's frequent transferrals, Raju was out of school for upto 2 months at a time. During this time he would be overworked as a slave, beaten badly by his sister-in-law for no reason at all, and just generally suffer all sorts of physical, emotional and verbal abuse.

Now wonder the guy got so screwed up that he takes out his frustration on screwing little kids trying to recapture the childhood he lost. He's exactly the type of person you'd feel sorry for if he didn't screw kids for fun.

And let's not forget the fact that - as far as the records can be deciphered - the Uravakonda record's birthdate was changed from 1939 to 1929 in 1976! If that is true (judging from the deciphering) then how could Sai Baba's birthdate be corrected in 1976, when he was already "established" as a full-fledged avatar and had just celebrated his 50th birthday the previous year?

LOL

/m689

"It is also apparent that the inaccurate birthdate was copied to other school records from a primary one."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha, Moreno's argument is changing with the wind! Stop talking bullshit, Moreno, LOL! The earliest (English) record is the Kamalapuram transfer form, which has the same birthdate as the Bukkapatnam record. Whaddya know? The same birthdate occurs in the Uravakonda school records. And Moreno wants us to think that these records were copied from each other at a time when it was very difficult to travel by bullock cart, let alone by foot.

Stop talking bullshit and stop trying to play with the big boys you silly little amateur. Get lost when the men are talking, LOL.

Homoreno, give it up/ :-) I'm not interested in discussing this topic with an ignorant bozo like you. :-) You do not even know the basic details about Indian education, which leads you to make wild conclusions that would make any Indian laugh. I should know, because I've refuted all your "objections" and been getting some good feedback from Indian readers. Did you know that readers from India are the second largest readers of my blog, the first being USA? LOL. :-)

Keep humiliating yourself by talking about how great/bad LIMF is. I've also mentioned the way you cried like a little girl about how expensive it was. :-) Give it up. Sai Baba was born in 1929. Plenty of evidence makes it sensible. It's all over. First Sai Baba lived in caves, then Sai Baba was inbred, then Sai Baba lied about Shirdi reincarnations, and now his birthdate has been exposed as a lie after six entire decades. :-)

Homoreno, you're so thick that you don't even know that 8th Standard is "Form One", that is why in the Bukkapatnam school record, Raju is listed as being admitted into the 8th Stndard and all the other kids ar ein Form One. It's the same. LOL, Thickhead. :-)

re /m688

Now Sanjay is bashing the "devotee editors" of LIMF! lol

What did I tell you? Sanjay bashes / accepts LIMF according to whatever whim he decides to take flight on. One word: Hypocrite.

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-24-2006 01:57 AM
Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") is "thick".

IF Talipineni Kesappa has been "discredited", then this is proof that LIMF relied on faulty, inaccurate and unreliable information. Therefore, Sanjay's "Sai Baba Shirdi Lies" is all based on faulty, inaccurate and unreliable information.

It is also apparent that the inaccurate birthdate was copied to other school records from a primary one. Once again, this info is taken from LIMF that Sanjay formerly argued was reliable, accurate, objective and truthful. Now, however, Sanjay is saying that when it comes to information that disputes his "proof", LIMF is NOT reliable, accurate, objective and truthful. Sanjay is a self-serving hypocrite.

Gee Sanjay, you are such a flip-flopper. But then again, what to expect from a fully exposed pervert, drunk, racist, misogynist and pathological liar such as yourself? Nothing you say is reliable. Not even one word.

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

"The devotee editors of LIMF attempt to present an unconvincing argument to explain away the glaring date discrepancy by referring to the allegedly relaxed recording of census information in pre-Independence India and why dates and birth registrations were carried out much later after the fact. This conflicts with their earlier insinuation that Raju's family deliberately engaged in deception in order to facilitate his so-called career prospects by making him appear younger. Of course nobody would begrudge any parents their ambitions for their children, and indeed it is related that Raju's parents wished for him to be highly educated so that he could attain a prestigious job working for local government. This argument flies right out of the window when you consider that changing the birth year to 1929 (supposedly three years "younger" than his "original" year of 1926) did him a disservice after all; both the Bukkapatnam and Uravakonda records show that most of Raju's classmates were born in the early to mid-1930s. If the family were deliberately trying to fix his date, they should have thought about bringing it forward into the early 1930s so that Raju could be on a par with his own classmates, putting aside the possibility that their birthdates were faked too. With their "faked" date of 1929, they ended up making Raju look like one of the older children!" - Source

LOL. :-)

Edited by author 10-24-2006 01:48 AM
It's official.

Gerald Moreno is THICK.

He keeps on citing his "Talipineni Kesappa" quote which has already been discredited in the back archives of this forum (check them out).

Three independent pieces of evidence list Sai Baba's DOB as 4.10.1929, even spelling it out for those who are thick. :-) The 1939 birthdate is obviously an error which was corrected. Erlendur Haraldsson (one of Moreno's big heroes) himself wrote of a discrepancy, stating that either Kasturi got the date wrong or Sai Baba was 13 years old at the time of the declaration. It doesn't matter, because Sai baba was 14 years old (as biographers say) in 1943, meaning he was born in 1929. Simple mathematics. :-)

Plenty of other evidences have proved the 1929 birthdate. LIMF's "reason" is bullshit, and they have made many more bullshit explanations, all of which have been discussed and dismissed in my exposé series. I personally do not care, it is a problem for devotees not for me. LOL.

No more arguments.

Sathya Sai Baba was born on

October 4th 1929. :-)

LIMF also gave a reason for the birthdate discrepancy. Since Sanjay accepts the authors of LIMF as being reliable, accurate, objective and truthful people, then the following comment must also be accepted on the authority of the authors of LIMF:

"Sathya's date of birth in school records, however, is recorded as the 4th of October 1929 - and not the traditionally recognized date of the 23rd of November 1926. Talipineni Kesappa, son of Talipineni Ramappa maintains that Sathya was one year senior to him at school; therefore, Kesappa's date of birth being 11th of June 1927, Sathya's year of birth definitely is 1926. It has long been a practice in the schools to record a date of birth as being much later than the 'actual' date of birth - in order to facilitate career prospects. Sathya's parents wanted Sathya to become an educated officer. This, possibly could be the reason for the discrepancy. In addition, in 1926, people in remote villages like Puttaparthi, in pre-independent India, were not very particular about dates and birth registration was done much later." (Reference)

The school records are inaccurate and one of the records even stated that Baba was born in 1939. lol Sanjay cannot definitively conclude anything but his speculation. Period.

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Too Funny.

Once Again: It is nothing less than hypocritical that Sanjay is still citing LIMF as a reliable, honest, objective and accurate book relating to information about Sathya Sai Baba. The implications of Sanjay's acceptance of LIMF (of course) is that the astounding paranormal and psychic phenomena attributed to Sathya Sai Baba in LIMF is similarly reliable, honest, objective and accurate.

Don't you agree Sanjay? Oh wait. You already agreed with me since you keep citing LIMF as a reliable, honest, objective and accurate book. Speaks volumes about the reliability, honesty, objectivity and accuracy of Sai Devotees. Thank you Sanjay!

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Notice how all of those posts were made on October 20th, 2006, the so-called "Avatar Day" celebrated internationally throughout the Sai Organisation as the date when Raju left home and became a full-time avatar.

Final editing was done on October 21st, 2006, which was the date of the Diwali festival. :-)

Hope you had a good Diwali, Baba! :-)

Edited by author 10-24-2006 12:40 AM
A Full Exposure of Sathya Sai Baba's date of birth and related issues and featuring never before released evidence of the Baba's school records. Complete re-evaluation of the facts in the light of new research that blows apart unquestioned and accepted histories related to the birth and school education of Sathyanarayana Raju aka Sathya Sai Baba.


A New Light - | Introduction | Bukkapatnam school record discussion | Reveals D.O.B. as October 4, 1929 | Discussion of Sri Aurobindo's cryptic remark | Aurobindo hijacked by Sai colluders | Gerald Moreno's criticisms ridiculed |


A New Light 2 - | Criticisms continued | Inconsistent entries on Bukkapatnam record | Bukkapatnam record is not fraudulent | Apologetic explanations for 1929 birthdate | Passports are not evidence of true birthdates | Explanation for Bukkapatnam inconsistent entries | 8th Standard is equal to 'Form One' | Indian education dissimilar to Western education |


A New Light 3 - | Actual sequence of Raju's education different from 'official' sources | Seshama Raju's frequent job transfers | First-time release of Kamalapuram transfer record | Reveals D.O.B. as October 4, 1929 (spelled out) | Transfer form filed after the fact | Raju transferred to Uravakonda | First-time release of Uravakonda school record | Reveals D.O.B. as October 4, 1939 (later corrected year to 1929) | Existence of all three independent evidences confirms 1929 birthdate |


A New Light 4 - | Recap of topic | Recap of apologetic explanations | Facilitation of Raju's career prospects is laughable | Vijayamma Hemchand appears to confirm 1929 birthdate | Problematic 'Declaration' date resolved with 1929 birthdate | First November 23rd Birthday celebration in 1950 | Discussion in light of Shirdi Lies | 1926 and 1940 dates declared an impossibility | Kasturi's sloppy research | Consideration of correct 'Avatar' birthday | Decades of systematic deception | Conclusion |

No more arguments.

Sathya Sai Baba was born on

October 4th 1929.

Apparently Gerald Homoreno has nothing to answer except to claim that I am drunk, in a bid to run away from the hard questions. :-)

Tough luck handbag, your lies about media bias are fully exposed. Boo hoo indeed. Look at a picture of an ocean and cry, pinkdoll, LOL. :-)

Gerald Moreno Deception /m269

Edited by author 10-24-2006 12:09 AM
Apparently Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") is posting while he is drunk again.

Poor Sanjay. Looking for some negative interaction with others because no one wants to listen to you in real life. Boo hoo.

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Lisa De Witt (/m671): "I NEVER said I worshiped Baba (I do NOT worship form of ANY kind)."

In that case, I'm sure you won't mind if I mention that Sai Baba is an aging, graying, balding, paralytic limp-wristed homosexual kiddie-rapist. He has a hairstyle that went out in the 1970s, he wears the same clothes every day, he gets pushed around in a wheelchair and he has rotten teeth. The guy is so damn ugly that he send shivers up people's spines when he smiles at them with his sex-hungry eyes, for Christ's sake he has a unibrow and a double chin! "God" sure is good-looking , eh? Maybe he could live in a house of mirrors if he didn't crack them all every time he smiled.

But all of this stuff shouldn't bother you bcause you don't care about form, right? :-)

And by the way, what kind of a thick and deceitful copycat are you, stealing my comments from sathyasaibaba2 and using them against usedbybaba? You have a proven history of having no original thoughts of your own, and this is just the very latest example. You are in a minority, the world does not agree with your views about Sai Baba.

And I'm glad you made that crazy comment (/m673) because it helped me to consider what a useless self-appointed jihadi Sai defender you are NOT. :-) Get a life you crazy schizo. Jesus hates you.

Edited by author 10-23-2006 11:35 PM
Gerald 'Joe' (Ho)Moreno keeps on attempting to show how the BBC worked hand-in-hand with former devotees of Sathya Sai Baba in order to present a biased documentary. If he is so concerned then why doesn't he file a complaint with OFCOM or some other independent agency?

In the meantime, here is the TRUTH behind Moreno's lies:

Gerald Moreno's Media Bias Lies :-)

Bite that.

Lisa if your joe is so clear why is that you both don't answer my question on baba, but just abuse to get away. All you both do is call people namems and when we abuse you use it to answer any sensible question.THAT IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Joe108 "You are unbelievable and no one believes you".

I repeat.

Then why are you bothered, your avatar is not harmed atall.Then allow us to write what we write instead of abusing us. Why did you create a web site if you know that nobody is going to believe us Anti sais. Scared is it? Fear that your baba wiil be exposed.By the way Babais already exposed and we are just making sure that everyone knows about it. Edit
Delete

Edited by author 10-23-2006 11:30 PM
/m644

Oh my God, Gerald Homoreno sure makes me laugh!

"Josephine, then you are trusting a broadcasting company that Anti-Sai Activists openly claimed were sympathetic and favorable to their cause. Many Anti-Sai Activists boasted on how they worked with the BBC."

Is Moreno THICK or something?

Why wouldn't the BBC work with former devotees of Sathya Sai Baba to produce their documentary, in order to provide a balanced picture of the man and to prevent it from becoming a total one-sided devotional affair? Moreno would love to erase the controversies and pretend that they never existed, when the sad fact is that they are hear to stay. Respected academics around the world are now sitting up and paying attention now that the homosexual paedophilia allegations have entered the mainstream consciousness. For the love of God, it is even mentioned in college textbooks! :-)

This doesn't make the BBC "biased or sympathetic" towards a cause, faggotface, it means that they have an obligation to research both sides of the same coin. Sai devotees (like Moreno) are just bitter about the fact that they thought a world-renowned broadcaster like the BBC were making a documentary to glorify Sai Baba. Little did they know that the finished product would shock them out of their cocoons and face up to a long overdue reality check. I know, I was there. :-)

"The BBC.co.uk should not be confused with BBC News (which is a world famous news broadcasting company). The BBC.co.uk has been repeatedly accused of bias and they air exclusively in the UK."

Looks like Moreno is losing his marbles. "BBC.co.uk" is a website that "airs" all over the world, moron, not just the UK. Ever heard of the Internet? LOL. If Jackass Moreno wants to talk about websites, then take a look at the official BBC page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/3791921.stm. Notice how the URL is "news.bbc.co.uk" which is a "famous news broadcasting company" according to Moronic Moreno. LOL. What kind of ridiculous silly argument is this?

BBC IS BBC, there is no "this BBC" or "that BBC", idiot. LOL. What an idiotic argument. Sheesh that made me laugh!

As for the BBC's being accused of bias, that all depends if there is merit to the complaint. Complaints are adjudicated by an independent watchdog which also adjudicated complaints about the "Secret Swami" documentary. All of the complaints came to nought. :-) The Independent watchdog (OFCOM) adjudicated in favour of the BBC and there were no findings of bias. Tough luck Homoreno! If Moreno is really concerned about this, then I wonder why he doesn't mention anything about Lisa's accusations of BBC bias in the case of their scandalous exposure of the British National Party (BNP), a far-right political party that is condemned (with good reason) for their racist views against immigrants and "foreigners" in general, exposing her as a proven racist! LOL.

"In the case of Sathya Sai Baba, the BBC's bias is apparent because Anti-Sai Activist's themselves claimed the BBC was biased in their favor!"

They claimed no such thing!

"This one page does not deal with numerous other claims (from Anti-Sai's) who claimed they were working closely with the BBC during its production."

Again, it is plainly obvious to anyone with a brain that a news/journalistic media agency like the BBC (which has a good reputation worldwide for a reason) has the obligation to investigate both sides of the story. Therefore, why would they not discuss with former devotees? I was one of them. Again I say: Sai devotees (like Moreno) are just bitter about the fact that they thought a world-renowned broadcaster like the BBC were making a documentary to glorify Sai Baba. Little did they know that the finished product would shock them out of their cocoons and face up to a long overdue reality check. I know, I was there. :-)

Edited by author 10-23-2006 11:08 PM
Homoreno, are you thick or something? You keep on drooling spittle from the sides of your mouth as you repeatedly keep on asking Edward the same questions over and over again when he himself has said that he has no knowledge of these issues beyond what he has read on the Net.

Get it into your thick head: Not everybody believes in Sai Baba or agrees that he is a saint. Furthermore, people have the right to say whatever they want. And what's your damn problem if Edward is a devout Christian (as he appears to be)? Only you with your silly psychoapthic ideas about Christian conspiracies can think that Edward is a serious threat to the Sai Organisation, he is just a guy with an opinion. Moron. And only an evil pervert like you could try to harm his faith by posting links against the historicity of Jesus Christ. You are a malicious and spiteful toad.

Do NOT go around bullying people and acting as if this is your forum, or I'll kick you in the face with your own proven sleaze and hypocrisy. Got it?

/m650

Kristijan, of all the things I've heard you say, that is definitely one of the silliest. I don't know how you can say that three people can all be the same and that it is "obvious" with furnishing any sort of proof, not to mention trying to connect it to me. I'd ask for proof but I am 100% sure that you don't have any. I can't believe you'd make ridiculous suggestions that I would pretend to be other people. "What's the point?" Correct, there's no point.

Funny how you didn't notice that Gerald Moreno was talking to Edward at exactly the same time, but I don't see you accusing him of pretending to have conversations with himself as Edward or Jsephine Kabutla. And by the way, why would I come on as Somasundaram to promote a site about Ramanuja? You have an appallingly bad record at trying to figure out who is who. You recently accused Usedbybaba of being a woman. Even after I pointed out to you that the "woman's" post was written in 2005, you still believed that he had written in 2005. Only when you went and saw the evidence for yourself did you take back your words. So please, unless you have some hot-shot proof don't connect me to your ideas about different identities.

And I might as well mention, your great hero Andy Rye has exposed himself as a racist. So bang goes all of his opinions about Alaya Rahm, he is no longer a credible witness. :-)

Edited by author 10-23-2006 07:26 AM
/m658

Usedbybaba, it doesn't matter what anyone (including YOU) "believes" about Sai Baba. You bozos are making criminal allegations regarding fraud and sexual abuse which MUST be proven in a court room with EVIDENCE, not accusations and GOSSIP, which seem to be your primary weapons of choice! No other religion or religious figure has to "prove" their leader has miraculous powers or authority so you cannot "target" Sai Baba like the rationalists and atheists do just because you don't like him or believe in him. Are you smart enough to understand this or do I have to spell it out more clearly?

Targeting religious figures for personal gain like the atheists are doing, is one of the most unethical and underhanded maneuvers I've EVER seen in my life.

Edited by author 10-23-2006 07:22 AM
/m664

If Baba has been exposed and everyone "knows" about it, then how come the legal system doesn't know about it DUMBO? And how come you are too cowardly to prove it in court? From what I can see the only ones who are being exposed are you dummies and anyone else stupid enough to listen to you and your idiotic logic and lies. You keep forgetting YOU are in the minority. There are only about one hundred wackos like you who think you are the great leaders and everyone else is ignorant (even though you can't even spell or speak english correctly...I hope your skills are better in whatever your mother language is...I doubt it is Telugu as you don't seem to understand Sai Baba at all).

Not to mention how idiotic your logic is. According to you, the "great brain," if Baba is the Avatar we should just let you continue to abuse Him by lying because it can't hurt Him! You seem to be totally self-centered and insensitive and forget that you are hurting a lot of people with your abuse but you think it ok for you to abuse and you just admitted that you think it is ok! And apparently you don't believe in karma either OR you would certainly fear its repercussions.

Joe started his site because he saw, as I did through my research, the volumnous lies that are being told, the racism and religious intolerance that is backing those lies and decided to DO something about it. After all, pretty much EVERYONE knows what happened to Jesus when no one stood up to his accusers. NEVER AGAIN!!!! Over my dead body!

/m670

It's exactly comments like these which make you appear even more idiotic and uneducated (besides your incessant incoherent rambling), usedbybaba. Funny that you are treating everyone as a criminal when you can't even prove there was a crime!

You bozos claim you want people to investigate and when they do then you play all kinds of headgames like this. Part of an investigation entails proving whether you, the accuser, are actually telling the truth but you appear to be too DUMB to understand that. No SANE person makes such judgements about another's guilt unless they have ALL the necessary facts to do so. The fact that you think they should (or can) just shows that you are either totally uneducated or VERY crooked or BOTH.

It appears you are using your rambling diatribes (again) as a stalling tactic to avoid answering very pertinent questions about your 15 year claim. Like I said, according to your statements you were allegedly abused from the age of 19-34 before you left Sai Baba. This means you would have been out of college for several years.

/m654

Quit putting words in my mouth usedbybaba. I NEVER said I worshiped Baba (I do NOT worship form of ANY kind). When you speak, speak for yourself. You cannot speak for others even though you arrogantly think you do.

I worship the TRUTH and Baba is a part of that truth. Your lies are NOT. Got that? Can you understand SIMPLE LOGIC?

You did NOT go to Sai Baba's college. Pure and simple, YOU are a LIAR.

Edited by author 10-22-2006 03:06 PM
So,usedbybabassss

can you please tell me,why did you stayyy there for moreeeee then 15 yearsss.
Thanxxxxxxxx.

Edited by author 10-22-2006 02:36 PM
"you already know so many anti babas who have even given their name ? what did you do with them .Simply said they are liers or at least acquiced with the pro babas, why??
What do you expect from us. To tell you and others who we are and after all that make Lisa and Joe abuse us.
Why are you not researching about Pro babas and find out if they have an ulterior motive etc. If you do that you can say you are nuetral"
_________________


what did i do with them,.Simply said they are liers ?

ermm ,no that's a blatant lie...i've never called them or anyone else a liar.
I have really no idea what the truth is,so I'm not siding with anyone.
I'm not interested into knowing who you are,nor do i consider you to be a regular typical "anti babas".
You fit into other category,you're a sexually abused victim.
So I'm naturally interested in your story,like i wanna know why you lived there for 15 years if you were abused.I'm not trying to find out who you are,just to make sense of your story.
Obviously I'm not interested in criticizing or defending pro babas since they're entitled to their opinion,it's their thing what they do.
I'm just trying to find out what the truth is and like i said to make sense of your story ,not to find out who you are.
You're just one outta billion Indians to me,you could be anyyyyyyone.

"usedbybaba", as I said before: You are unbelievable and no one believes you.

There is no believing an anonymous and faceless hypocrite to defames others unapologetically under the guise of anonymity. Anyone can say anything they like under the guise of anonymity. You are such a person and you have zero credibility (just like Anti-Sai Activists themselves).

Once again, you accused me of making money off my websites. Where is your proof? I think everyone would like to see it, me included.

Exposing "usedbybaba: Click Here

you already know so many anti babas who have even given their name ? what did you do with them .Simply said they are liers or at least acquiced with the pro babas, why??
What do you expect from us. To tell you and others who we are and after all that make Lisa and Joe abuse us.
Why are you not researching about Pro babas and find out if they have an ulterior motive etc. If you do that you can say you are nuetral

i'm not trying to find out who the Anti babassssss are.
I want the truthhhhhhhhh..
get ittttttt,usedbybabassssssssssss

i'm not pro or anti
i'm neutrallllllllllllllllllllll babassssssssssssssssss




Then why are you always siding the Pro baba people,trying to find out who the Anti babas are etc.,and then doing a copy paste of Anti Babas' messages, and in turn trying to help the Pro babas????

Joe108 "You are unbelievable and no one believes you".

Then why are you bothered, your avatar is not harmed atall.Then allow us to write what we write instead of abusing us. Why did you create a web site if you know that nobody is going to believe us Anti sais. Scared is it? Fear that your baba wiil be exposed.By the way Babais already exposed and we are just making sure that everyone knows about it.

Joe108 "You are unbelievable and no one believes you".

Then why are you bothered, your avatar is not harmed atall.Then allow us to write what we write instead of abusing us. Why did you create a web site if you know that nobody is going to believe us Anti sais. Scared is it? Fear that your baba wiil be exposed.

Edited by author 10-22-2006 11:17 AM
whhhhhhhhhhhy did youuuuuuuu stayyyyyyyy there for
soooooooooooooooooo

longggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg



















?









p.s.

i'm not pro or anti
i'm neutrallllllllllllllllllllll babassssssssssssssssss

Edited by author 10-22-2006 11:13 AM
how the heck should i know if Sb is an avatar,what am i psychic or what?
you're asking impossible question?

Then why are you always siding the Pro baba people,trying to find out who the Anti babas are etc.,and then doing a copy paste of Anti Babas' messages, and in turn trying to help the Pro babas????

NOTE: THE PREVIOUS MAIL IS AN ANSWER FOR JOE 108 and this is for Angel

If you cannot answer my question and slip away from facts under the assumption that people are not able to understand your ideas, i am sorry.
Everyone knows the fact.You can't even post amail on your own answer on the "Proof" etc.,
When you refuse to come to a topic like "My life is my message" It makes people doubt your sincerity.
B7y the way thank you for mailing the names of so many anti sais.I don't have to search for them.
What have you exposed about me? that is the joke.What if i abuse ? Will it prove that Baba is God? Typical of you to just write the most irrelevant things and say in big letters 'EXPOSED"
My God How professional?????? you are. weired.

how the heck should i know if Sb is an avatar,what am i psychic or what?
you're asking impossible question?
Time will tell.
i don't know and in the end it doesn't materrrrrr since all is oneeee.

btwwww,Why wouldn't you tell me what you did in Parthi for 15 years,did you stay there despite your abuse or whattttt?

"what is the truthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?"

The truth is - either baba is an Avatar or he is not, and not whether edwards is somasundaram etc.,
See how you jump from my quetion on "My life is my message" declaration of baba.
You say you answered my questions.
When did you say that you believe or do not believe in Baba as Avatar??
Don't say ,If he was a abuser etc., then he is not an Avatar. You and the others know that it is a very slippery subject (the abuser or not question).
I did so many things in parthi and why should i tell you that when i don't want it to be the subject.
You want a subject other than baba is it not?? that too a quetionable one.
I am sorry i know you are part of these guys who are not interested any post aginst baba for you have been helping their cause sooooooooo much.

"usedbybaba", fantastic logic there. I am still waiting for the proof that I am making money from my sites. You made that claim. Now substantiate it.

The fact remains that you cannot substantiate any of your numerous defamations and claims. You viciously attack others as "whores" and "bitches". You made the most perverted, filthy and deviant comments to Lisa on the SSB2 Yahoo Group. You come in here making similar defamations against Sathya Sai Baba.

You do all of this anonymously using numerous fake names. You are unbelievable and no one believes you.

Exposing "usedbybaba: Click Here

"What if somasundaram and edwards are the same.Will it change the truth."

what is the truthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

Edited by author 10-22-2006 10:06 AM
I believe everyone is Goddd.
All is Oneee.
There's no dualityyyyyy.
........SO,anywayyyyyyy,
what did you do in Parthi for 15 yearsss.
Education for 15 years orrrrr ...?
You don't need to give uss yearsssss.
Just in general ,what did you do thereeee?Whyyy did you stayyy there for sooooooooo longgggg?

Edited by author 10-22-2006 09:55 AM
FOr your information this is what i wrote But who wants the truth . I am ready for a common topic, but Angel is interested only in the sexual molestation story when i say it is not possible to prove ,joe says there is no proof( I tell him the same) and Lisa hmm, i don't know what she wants.She told us that everyone is God and When I ask, then what is the special reason for worshipping baba, She says that she has experienced baba,That is as unprovable as my accussations ? So i say read what i say and then we can go ahead.

"I TALKD ABOUT SO MANY THINGS LIKE "MY LIFE IS MY MESSAGE " ETC., BUT ALL YOU WANT IS TO ABUSE AND SEND HATE MAILS AND PROVOKE PEOPLE.MY FIRST MAILS WERE NOTHING BUT INNOCENT FACTS BUT YOU AND LISA AND THE SO CALLED SIMON DID NOTHING BUT ABUSE.YOU ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ME AND I REALISED THAT NEITHER YOU NOR I CAN PROVE EITHER WAY.SO WHEN I TOOK A GENERAL TOPIC, YOU KEPT QUITE, WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BREAK THE THREAD OF MY ARGUMENT AND THEN AGAIN WENT BACK TO CALLING ME A NAMES.
ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTION.
IF BABA IS GOD WHY DID HE NOT FOLLOW THE LAW IN THE MURDER CASE/
HE TOLD US HE IS OUR EXAMPLE.
ASSUME I WAS NOT ABUSED AND I AM LIER AND I BAD MOUTH PEOPLE AND ALL THAT .
BUT YOU SAY THAT YOU NEED PROOF .I SAY GOD IS NOT A HYPOCRATE. If he says His life is his message he would behave like a real example

Edited by author 10-22-2006 09:36 AM
Angel you keep harping on who is who and refuse to say whether baba is God or not .What if somasundaram and edwards are the same.Will it change the truth.

   joe108 -"usedbybaba" GIVE US PROOF YOU ARE NOT BEING PAID TO BE HERE."

Exactly that is what i am saying and you have now come to the conclusion that nobody can prove ,for or against these allegations.Now that is why i ask you to come to a common point and all of you refuse (joe108 or Lisa or Angel)

Joe, you can lead a dummy to water but you can't make him think! All the information people need in order to see the racist campaign against Sai Baba is a farce is on your site, saisathyasai.com. If people are so ignorant that they cannot understand the parameters of the legal system and how it was set up to protect even dummies like them, there is not much hope for them. Now you see how fascism begins and we know the end result.

Somasundaram ,Edward ,Josephine Kabutla ,it's obvious you're all the same person.You're all posting few minutes apart.
I've noticed Sanjay posting in ssb2 at that time,so it must be you.
What's the point?

Edited by author 10-20-2006 01:17 PM
/m633
"usedbybaba" GIVE US PROOF YOU ARE NOT BEING PAID TO BE HERE. lol

Google search for BBC Bias.

/m645
Edward, I am not the only one who claimed that the BBC was biased. The BBC's bias came with a self-admission from Anti-Sai Activists themselves. Obviously, you are not reading the posts (/m644).

Edited by author 10-20-2006 01:09 PM
Edward, let's see: You lied about Sathya Sai Baba being an "exposed pedophile who has raped children" (/m622), someone who "takes away the innocence of children" (/m637), someone who "stands charged with very serious accusations" (/m637), that I am a brainwashed devotee of an "evil child abuser".

Where is your proof that Sathya Sai Baba is:

1. An "exposed pedophile who has raped children".
2. Someone who "takes away the innocence of children".
3. Someone who "stands charged with very serious accusations".
4. That Baba is an "evil child abuser".

Despite publicly making these bold-faced, libelous and defamatory lies and accusations, you have the audacity to say "I am not making any allegations against Sai Baba I am just going by what I have read on the Internet". Perhaps you need to do an internet search on the non-historicity of Jesus Christ (boy are you going to be in for a rude awakening). Are we to believe everything we read on the internet?

If your statements about Baba are not lies, as I contend, then you should have no problem supplying with me the proof I am asking you for. Once again, where are all the police complaints, court cases, affidavits, parent's statments defending their children, etc.? Once you show me proof to support your claims, then I will show my concern. Until that time comes, I will hold you responsible for your words, your dishonesty, your lies and your religious bias. Period.

Joe, are you seriously attempting to say that some sections of the BBC are unreliable? You are unbelievable. The BBC is a world famous broadcaster as Josephine said and they went around filming everything themselves. I've seen the BBC movie and it was very good, I don't think you have a case against them. One small guy against the BBC? No way Jose.

Josephine, then you are trusting a broadcasting company that Anti-Sai Activists openly claimed were sympathetic and favorable to their cause. Many Anti-Sai Activists boasted on how they worked with the BBC. Tanya Datta had an established relationship with Premanand (an atheist and critic of Baba since 1968), prior to the making of the documentary. The BBC.co.uk should not be confused with BBC News (which is a world famous news broadcasting company). The BBC.co.uk has been repeatedly accused of bias and they air exclusively in the UK. In the case of Sathya Sai Baba, the BBC's bias is apparent because Anti-Sai Activist's themselves claimed the BBC was biased in their favor! See for yourself: Reference. This one page does not deal with numerous other claims (from Anti-Sai's) who claimed they were working closely with the BBC during its production.

Joe, I'm surprised at how quickly you've started to act like a little child. What am I supposed to have lied about exactly? And why do you have so much animosity towards Christians like myself? I am not making any allegations against Sai Baba I am just going by what I have read on the Internet. I'd appreciate it if you stop abusing me and talking in a condescending way, talking about Lord Jesus as if you are an expert when it's been a long time since you read a Bible. This is not your board so stop acting as if it belongs to you. More importantly, I'm very disturbed at you don't appear to be concerned at all about any children who may have been abused by this evil pervert and you're only interesting in arguing about their ages and oilings. What do you mean by oilings? And why are you so reluctant to accept this as sexual abuse? Does it really matter how old they are if Sai Baba is sexually abusing them?

Hi Joe, thanks for the links. But it looks like concentrate way to much on little Alaya and have very little to say about the rest of the BBC movie. Your facts are interesting but I still feel you haven't proven anything concrete. The BBC is a world famous broadcasting company and not a dingy company, so I feel better trusting their reportage of the problem. Thanks anyway.

Edited by author 10-20-2006 12:15 PM
Edward, want to talk "abusive"? See your first post to me where you asked me "what drugs are you on?" (/m622). Once again, the word "hypocrisy" seems to be appropriate.

Edward, the fact remains that you are a liar, an embellisher and a Chrisitan self-righteous hypocrite. You have no proof to support any of your claims against Sathya Sai Baba. So far, I have asked you for proof twice. I will ask you again: Show me the proof? After all, since you are a truthful Christian making serious and criminal allegations against Baba, you should have no problem supporting your claims.

You should get a life and stop spreading your libel and defamation on online boards in the name of Jesus (who would not approve of your lies, negativity and hate). So practice what you preach and stop "wasting your breath".

This is a nice website: http://www.ramanuja.org/

Joe, you obviously don't know how to hold a conversation and now you have become completely abusive. I should have known there's no talking to brainwashed devotees of evil child abusers. So you are an atheist? No wonder you hate Christians because people like you will never find the love of Lord Jesus Christ. I'm sticking to what I originally said yesterday that you folks should get a life because it is just a waste of breath to talk about an evil person like Sai Baba.

Edited by author 10-20-2006 11:57 AM
Edward, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. You are a liar, an embellisher and a self-righteous hypocrite. Once again, where is the proof that Sathya Sai Baba is a sexual abuser of "little children"? Where are all the court cases? Where are all the police complaints? Where are all the affidavits? Where are all the parent's defending their "little children"?

You may want to justify your choice of words by resorting to semantics, however, the term "little children" is factually inaccurate. There were only two 16 year olds who were non-sexually oiled and ALL other alleged victims were over 18 years of age and adults. If you want to call teenagers and adults "little children", that is your choice. A choice that proves you do not care for facts or the truth and that you have some sort of agenda to push (which appears to be a Christian one). Take your unconscionable lies up with your Bible, your conscience and your sleep.

Once again, show me the proof.

Joe, as if it makes a blind bit of difference to get into semantics over the definition of children. If enough people say that he is a sexual abuser then that is good reason to stay away and keep your guard up. I can't see how you can have any advantage when you are defending someone who stands charged with very serious accusations such as this. And then there is the idea that he is God! Do you think in your own heart that God would sexually abuse little children when Jesus said in the Bible that children are pure, and that the Kingdom of God is made up of such as them? I don't know how you can stand up in defence of someone who takes away the innocence of children or YOUTHS as you differentiate. This is unconscionable. I hope you can sleep at night.

Edited by author 10-20-2006 02:08 AM
Usedbybaba, if you want to sue Baba in Indian court to prove he is a fraud, go for it. How come you bozos haven't tried it yet? Are you scared you will lose? You claim to have all this evidence yet here you are whining on the internet like a five year old. Like I said, fraud is a very easy thing to prove yet you cowards are still on the internet after six years babbling and whining like idiots!

And you are so dumb as not to see how illogical this looks to people who actually have brains! You demand proof yet you are unwilling to prove your sordid accusations. How hypocritical you are, con man!

Edward, the only people who are proven to be under the influence are the anti-Sais, many of whom have long histories of alcohol/drug abuse and their irratic behavior on the internet seems to be part of that continuing drama. Unlike you we actually did our research and have VERY good arguments as to how we have come to the conclusion that this smear campaign is just that. Shame on you if you are a US citizen who doesn't believe in the legal system. Don't cry to me if you are ever accused of molestation by anonymous people and it is smeared all over the internet for the whole world to see even though you have never been convicted of a crime.

Usedbybaba, you are nothing but a hypocrite asking people for proof of things when cowardly you can't even prove you went to Sai Baba's college OR your name! And YOU are the abuser buddy. You lie about others, you talk like a disgusting pervert and then blame other people for your sewerbrain!
YOU were the FIRST to start with the abuse by lying about Baba and others. If you don't want to be called a liar prove your baloney in court. Until then your very inconsistent statements are considered lies and that is why you avoid the courtroom like the plague.

And then to top it off you are using other usernames to hide behind while you spout your foul poisons! Nobody is so dumb as not to see Om Sai is YOU!
You are like a worm who thinks he is worming his way out of the mess he is in.

Like I said, you are too dumb to have been in Sai Baba's college. That in itself is proof enough that you are a liar.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 09:27 PM
"Edward, show me the proof? I demand the same evidence you would demand if YOU were accused of pedophilia and raping children. And name ONE non-anonymous case where Sathya Sai Baba has been accused of raping "children".

GIVE US A PROOF THAT HE IS GOD. GIVE US A PROOF THAT YOU ARE NOT BEING PAID FOR YOUR WORK HERE,GIVE US PROOF THAT BABA IS NOT A PEDOPHILE.

A PROOF IS SOMETHING IRREFUTABLE,LIKE THE GRAVITY.IF YOU DROP SOMTHING IT WOULD FALL DOWN.
i TALKD ABOUT SO MANY THINGS LIKE "MY LIFE IS MY MESAGE " ETC., BUT ALL YOU WANT IS TO ABUSE AND SEND HATE MAILS AND PROVOKE PEOPLE.MY FIRST MAILS WERE NOTHING BUT INNOCENT FACTS BUT YOU AND LISA AND THE SO CALLED SIMON DID NOTHING BUT ABUSE.YOU ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ME AND I REALISED THAT NEITHER YOU NOR I CAN PROVE EITHER WAY.SO WHEN I TOOK A GENERAL TOPIC, YOU KEPT QUITE, WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BREAK THE THREAD OF MY ARGUMENT AND THEN AGAIN WENT BACK TO CALLING ME A NAMES.
ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTION.
IF BABA IS GOD WHY DID HE NOT FOLLOW THE LAW IN THE MURDER CASE/
HE TOLD US HE IS OUR EXAMPLE.
ASSUME I WAS NOT ABUSED AND I AM LIER AND I BAD MOUTH PEOPLE AND ALL THAT .
BUT YOU SAY THAT YOU NEED PROOF .I SAY GOD IS NOT A HYPOCRATE. If he says His life is his message he would behave like a real example.

BTW,by informed i meant that you know what other swamis say and stuff.I dunno i kinda expected you'd be repulsed by gurus and swamis in general.
SO,what did you do in Parthi for 15 years.Education for 15 years or ...?
You don't need to give years.
Just in general ,what did you do there?Why were you there for so long?

Angel"You seem very well informed".
But you are interested only in my sexual abuse right.

re /m620
"usedbybaba", if you are SO truthful, why don't you provide any evidence that I am making money off my website? After all, you are the one harping about your honesty, truthfulness and integrity. What proof do you have that I am making money from my sites?

You are a liar, a pervert and a deviant, with proof. I can back it up as well: Reference. You call other "whores" and "hookers" with no proof either. You are unbelievable and no one believes you.

re /m622
Edward said:

Joe108, what drugs are you on? How can you defend an exposed pedophile who has raped children? Open your eyes and let the light of God shine in them, not the fake fraud Sathya Sai Baba. Open your heart too.

Edward, show me the proof? I demand the same evidence you would demand if YOU were accused of pedophilia and raping children. And name ONE non-anonymous case where Sathya Sai Baba has been accused of raping "children".

As I stated on my site: Anti-Sai Activists wage an unremitting smear campaign against Sathya Sai Baba that accuses him of "serial pedophilia" and the sexual abuse of "boys" and "children". These comments are fallacious, unsustantiated and wholly misleading. "Pedophilia" is the sexual abuse or exploitation of a boy, girl or child 12/13 years of age or younger (Ref). There are no testimonies from boys, children or parents of children that support the erroneous claim that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile/paedophile who engaged in sexual interactions with children. As a matter of fact, the youngest, non-anonymous testimony came from a 16 years old teenager (Jed Geyerhahn) who claimed he received a non-sexual "oiling". This once again goes to show how those inimical towards Sathya Sai Baba resort to cheap propaganda and blatant disinformation because the truth simply does not argue in their favor.

Where is your proof, Edward? Where are you getting your information from?

http://www.saisathyasai.com/

Edited by author 10-19-2006 03:50 PM
/m266
Josephine, I think you should view the new facts regarding Alaya Rahm, the primary "witness" in the BBC Documentary, "Secret Swami". After reading these articles, let me know if you have not changed your mind and why:

- Withheld Facts In The Secret Swami
- Alaya Rahm - Testimonies Against Sathya Sai Baba
- Alaya Rahm's Self-Dismissed Lawsuit

Alaya is not credible.

ubb,
It seems you're still interested in other gurus & swamis and their views on things,you seem to be influenced by their teachings and stuff...it's surprising considering you were sexually abused by one.
You seem very well informed.




"You say that there is a chance that one of was hallucinating .Me or the other devotee friends of yours. Now are you not confused"
_________

No i said i don't think that was the case.


ubb,
what were you doing in Parthi for so long ,more then 15 years you said??

I saw the BBC movie about Sathya Sai Baba and I liked it a lot. It was very informative and helped me to come to my conclusions about Baba. I don't think it matters anymore because the testimonies of sexual abuse were very telling and made a great impact on me.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 01:02 PM
You say that there is a chance that one of was hallucinating .Me or the other devotee friends of yours. Now are you not confused.. You have not seen Baba but has developed a sort of attachment ,Which I call devotion. I was devotee from child hood hearing stories of his Divinity and miracles. I then go to parthi and hear stories of students and lecturers who sacrificed to become close to baba. I was pig headed. Why, because there is an unknown desire in many human beings to be on the side of God and be called by him or talk to him or talk to his messenger. Maybe, the same feeling one gets when one feels that he is a fan of a great Actor or Singer or politician.
Every one of us want to be recognized .Now if we are recognized by God will it not be great. We hope someone is a very revered person and hope that this person has a solution to all our doubts. We need approval from this person for whatever decision that we are making .We would prefer it directly but satisfy his other than “physical” answer, because we have no choice. That is the reason for my not changing myself from a devotee to a non devotee and that is the same reason that some people hallucinate and “get the divine approval” .
To tell you in the words of Swami Ramana Maharishi “ Advita ,Dwaitha and vishitadwitha are all, right, but they are different stages in a person’s spiritual progress.

Meaning you are a spark of the Divine and if you want to see anyone as divine you will see that person as divine, for it is the desire of the person who wanted to see it that way and he/she is after all GOD (who does not know that he/she is divine).

Read books on the subconscious mind and its powers and you may be able to correlate.


Now seeing the sucess of baba,There are many more Avatars and Gurus.For eg. Mata Amritanandamayi inKerala,Bangaru Adigalar and Shiv shankar Baba and Kalki Bhagavan ( the Avatar of this Kalki era)who all have strong force of devotees from Actors to Politicians to scientists to boast of.
Now who is the real guru or Avatar.The unifying factor is that they are all Millionares within a short period. To me they are all nothing but businees people who understood the need for a "GOD SERVICE" and they filled the vacuam and are making money.Unlike people like Raman Maharishi who wore only a loin cloth and Sri Ramakrishanparama hamsa who lived a life of devotion and poverty.

"can you see the blank page below? that was my mail"
no i can't.

even i can't see now. i think you have to go to your in box and open an old message and then come from there.It was the 615 or the 616 message or somwhere there.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 12:22 PM
i mean i have not abused anyone in that post.It is a very long thing an i cannot write again.I 'll anyhow try when i am in mood to write.
Angel,Please go ahead and be a devotee.This is not a sarcastic sentence.I mean it .If it helps you you can be a devotee.Ramakrishna paramahamsa the great guru of Swami vivekananda said that even if you believe a theif to be god and sincerely pray to him,your prayers will be answered.In this case,all you have to do is notto hear what we anti sai's are saying except the advice "don't go to parthi, and don't give your money as donation".
if you go there you might get caught and a donation is for the baba not God

Joe108, what drugs are you on? How can you defend an exposed pedophile who has raped children? Open your eyes and let the light of God shine in them, not the fake fraud Sathya Sai Baba. Open your heart too.

"can you see the blank page below? that was my mail"

no i can't.

I know you(joe 108) have a website on baba and that is your business and you have to protect it at all costs. You are making money but not making any sense.
Talking to you is like promoting your site.I am not here to do that and i would not be interested in such a Human?? being. One who makes money on other people's emotions is not normal.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 12:14 PM
"by the way is there any way i can retrive a message that i lost because my online connection got diconnected, Angel?
What i wrote was very satisfactory. you would have got a clear picture how this Avatar thing an God is used in India and now abroad. I wrote a full page,Maybe ?? There was absolutely no abuse.I t was about me and my experience."
____________________________
but i thought you've experienced abuse?

what do you mean by ..."There was absolutely no abuse"

so you're saying you weren't abused,or there was no use of abusive language in the post?

God does not want you to post it??

so God wants you to post..."There was absolutely no abuse" cause that's what you just wrote!

what are you trying to say??

please post again.

re /m615
Now, "usedbybaba" is claiming he was not abused!

"There was absolutely no abuse.I t was about me and my experience."

Weird.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 11:46 AM
I have recently updated my thread about Alaya Rahm's Failed & Self-Dismissed Lawsuit with the following information:

Furthermore, regarding Kreydick's sworn and video-taped deposition, Anti-Sai Activists have attempted to cast slurs on Kreydick's integrity and have accused him of being "prejudiced" in favor of Sathya Sai Baba. Ironically enough, in "Response To Form Interrogatories", it was none other than Alaya Rahm himself who cited Kreydick & Family as witnesses on his behalf!

Alaya Rahm claimed that Lewis Kreydick & Family were all aware of "incidents" relating to his alleged molestation and named them (on record) as people who:

1. Witnessed the INCIDENT or the event occurring immediately before or after the INCIDENT.
2. Made statements at the scene of the INCIDENT.
3. Heard statements made about the INCIDENT by any individual at the scene.
4. Had knowledge of the INCIDENT.

Needless to say, Kreydick's sworn and video-taped deposition wholly refuted all these points made by Alaya Rahm. The Society did not actively go out and attempt to discredit Alaya Rahm. Rather, they simply interviewed a witness named by Alaya Rahm himself and obtained a shocking and damaging deposition against him.

It is amusing that Anti-Sai Activists claim that Kreydick's testimony "could easily be contested by expert psychologists". Notably, in pretrial discovery, Alaya Rahm claimed that he had suffered no psychological trauma that would have required medical or psychiatric care. Furthermore, Alaya identified no psychologist who had ever examined him! So it does not appear that there were any "expert psychologists" who were prepared to support or defend Alaya's position.

As a matter of fact, Alaya Rahm never saw an "expert psychologist" and his parents never sent him to one. Rather, the only help that Alaya obtained was a 3 day seminar from the Landmark Forum on "Empowerment, self help and personal growth" that cost $795 in June 2005 (5 years after his alleged abuse and 5 months after he filed his lawsuit)! That's it.

Relevant Links:
- Alaya Rahm Self-Dismisses His Lawsuit Against The Sathya Sai Baba Society
- Scathing Response To Critics

can you see the blank page below? that was my mail

by the way is there any way i can retrive a message that i lost because my online connection got diconnected, Angel?
What i wrote was very satisfactory. you would have got a clear picture how this Avatar thing an God is used in India and now abroad. I wrote a full page,Maybe god does not want me to post it?? There was absolutely no abuse.I t was about me and my experience.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 11:43 AM
hey,Angel, if u think i did the "om sai" message sorry not me.

Sai Baba? What's the point? Why are you folks wasting your breath? He's already been proven as a fraudster, you people evidently have too much time on your hands. Get a life.

"lisa de bitch y dont u shut the fuck up u silly lallupanju whore"
ubb,
why are you using different username?
what's the point?

lisa de bitch y dont u shut the fuck up u silly lallupanju whore

Angelic, usedbybaba's statement was that he was "abused for 15 years". If he was abused for 15 years and the abuse did not start until he was nineteen and in college, that means he remained in the situation until he was approximately 34.

Not only that but I seriously doubt this bozo could ever get into Sai Baba's college. Like Joe said (and I was thinking the same thing) students from that institute are very smart and their english is excellent. Usedbybaba does NOT fit the profile of a student from that school.

Edited by author 10-18-2006 03:38 PM
"the fact is he tries two to three new persons every month "


that's a lot,so in 15 years that means he molested 540 boys .
In 30 years that's 1080 boys.

So ,is it safe to say that at this point it's a common knowledge in India that sb is an abuser,due to such enormously high number of his victims?

"Kristijan, precisely. You do not believe that they are lying. If you consider it from the other point of view, that they are lying, the whole problem is resolved. Either they are lying or they are hallucinating, the answer is along those lines."

Well, they both appear to be totally genuine ,caring people,you can just sense it ,both are well educated.
So, nope they aren't lying for sure.

Hallucination?
Yeah ,that would be my choice,but there's one problem though.
After she(L.) saw sb next to their bed at 3 AM,she woke J. up and he saw SB leaving their room.
They surely weren't hallucinating,not both of them.

Edited by author 10-18-2006 06:53 PM
usedbybaba,
I'm just wondering.
At the time of your abuse...

You were an adult,so I'm just thinking,OK you did it 1 time ,you were confused and shocked and didn't know how to react ,you were caught in the heat of the moment and did what he asked you,simple as that,he was your God.OK.

you said it was nauseating.I got that.

I mean that night after it happened for the first time I'm sure you thought thoroughly about what happened and you analyzed everything over and over again.



So, can you please tell me what was the reason you returned to Sb and gave him another bj for a few more times.

It's really difficult for me to comprehend. Please I'm just trying to understand.

Edited by author 10-18-2006 08:46 AM
"As far as the 15 years is concerned ,I lived more than that in Parthi "

how young exactly were you when you started living in Parthi, for what reason?
what did you do there for more then 15 years?

For those who do not understand why CO2000 & I make jests about Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") Serious Drinking Problems, here are the reasons: Posts taken from Sanjay's former "killuminati blog"

SANJAY DADLANI (aka SAI BABA EXPOSED) SAID:

It scares me, because I was able to get over it with drink before, but now it seems that the alcohol does not work. So that scares me. If alcohol doesn't work this time, I gotta cut myself?

F*ck, I shocked myself. I used to take bottles of vodka into college and drink it in the computer room as I surfed endlessly. I'm still f*cking surprised as to how no one ever smelt it on me? So now alcohol ain't gonnabe enough to deal with this sh*t? I need to progress to self-harm? What the f*cking F*CK?!?! I'm losing touch with reality. Someone needs to save me. Who? No idea. Who? Someone, who? Mr. Motherf*cker, I pray to be able to survive.

I have absolutely no idea what I wrote last night, as I was seriously blind drunk. That may or may not be a good thing, but the fact that I lost my blog somehow without posting it, and then to try and pen another one when even drunker was a bad idea...F*ck this drunken sh*t... Actually no.. I LOVE mixin drinks... Makes you more drunk than you have a right to be.. ;) In any case, four glasses of whiskey coupled with two bottles of Stella shoud sort you out .. ;)

I lost my bus pass and the money which was in it to buy my ticket for the Motorhead gig. :( So I got as drunk as f*ck, haha.

The woman is so f*cking ugly. She'd make dogs bark at each other. It's just as well I took a bottle of whiskey, I think I might have needed to get seriously drunk before I could get down to some serious sh*t with her.

By this time I was gasping for a drink. I bought a can of shandy. Lame I know, but it was the first thing I saw. One the way home I stopped off at a pub for a pint of Guinness. Just as I was ordering, some rock/gothic chick in a miniskirt and boots walked in and turned out she was the barmaid there. Gave me something cool to look at while I was supping.

Anyway, what's the point of crying about it now? I cry every night as it is, into my glass of whisky. I drink myself half-stupid every night since I got back and read that f*cking 'Dear John' email. I f*cking hate whisky, but that was the only alcoholic thing they drank in Sri Lanka and I developed a taste for it, so there. Beer will only give you a big belly anyway, liquor is where it's at. The hard stuff. Absinthe? Never tried it. Want to? I'd love some. Even though I'll have to f*cking figure out where to get it from and all.

I really shouldn't blog when I'm pissed; the alcohol makes me incoherent and a bad typist and the text becomes incomprehensible. I guess what I was trying to convey was how it always works out like sh*t.

Maybe I should talk about my deepest feelings when I'm pissed drunk, but when am I NOT drunk? I been crying and drinking every night since I got back from SL. And why? F*ck knows, man. I care for this b*tch, I love her more than anything, and she doesn't even realise..And they say the "real person" come sout when drunk, but I dunno how true that is.

So we were gonna meet up at her place while her boyfriend was away for a week. Ain't that smooth? I took a bottle of whisky coz I thought it'd be fun to have a drink as well as put us in the mood and all that. Throwing away your inhibitions and all that sh*t. And frankly, because she's not that much of a looker, I figure I'd need it. Harsh I agree, but hey, that's just the way it goes.

So the other night when I got so drunk that I ended up vomiting in the kitchen sink, after that I kind of realised how I had managed to vomit my pain out. My grief has considerably lessened since then, even though it is still very much there.

This is the sicko who posts here and tries to convince others of his lamentable arguments.

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-18-2006 01:08 AM
Too bad Dictator Sanjay.

Since "usedbybaba" is attempting to make his sympathy pitch here, my post (/m596) is entirely relevant. Have problems with it? Leave! :-)

It is nothing less than hypocritical that Sanjay is still citing LIMF as a reliable, honest, objective and accurate book relating to information about Sathya Sai Baba. The implications of Sanjay's acceptance of LIMF (of course) is that the astounding paranormal and psychic phenomena attributed to Sathya Sai Baba in LIMF is similarly reliable, honest, objective and accurate.

Don't you agree Sanjay? Oh wait. You already agreed with me since you keep citing LIMF as a reliable, honest, objective and accurate book. Speaks volumes about the reliability, honesty, objectivity and accuracy of Sai Devotees. Thank you Sanjay!

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Sanjay, apparently you have learning disabilities if you STILL have to ask what I think about Sai Baba.

Besides that, I do not see any point in discussing anything with you, especially when you are on a drunken rampage and ALWAYS so irrational to boot.

You are like a spoiled child who has constantly soiled pants and nothing consoles you.

And despite the fact that nobody in Puttaparthi was supposed to know who Shirdi Sai Baba was, two of Raju's own uncles were openly worshipping Shirdi Baba with devotion. :-)

It makes you wonder about the veracity of Kasturi's writing. When Raju went berserk after being bitten (or not, ha ha ha) by a scorpion and declaring that he was the Shirdi reincarnation, the family took him to a known worshipper of Shirdi Sai Baba in Penukonda who could have verified his identity/divinity, and according to Kasturi dismissed Raju as a lunatic.

Why did they travel all the way to Penukonda when two of Raju's own uncles could have answered the question, what to speak of the Shirdi devotees in Puttaparthi and Uravakonda? Yes, a newer fact shows that even the people of Uravakonda were Shirdi Sai devotees. Well, some of them anyway. :-)

As if posting my blogs wholesale on sathyasaibaba2 is any different to compared to Moreno's behaviour, who floods boards with irrelevant rubbish whenever the fancy takes him. Nice to see the two homosexuals openly embracing each other and approving each other's behaviour.

Lisa, stop barking and answer /m589. We are waiting for your explanation. You are in the minority so you have to explain your views. That is, if you can quit it with the schoolchild one-upmanship behaviour that disqualifies you from practising spirituality of any kind. :-)

Say, did you know that Puttaparthi Raju was wearing lockets of Shirdi Sai Baba around in neck when the whole village (and district) was not supposed to have a clue who Shirdi was? That's what I call miraculous, hey? :-)

Edited by author 10-18-2006 12:23 AM
You think this is bad, you should see the hissy fits blabber mouth, and probably drunken, Sanjay is throwing on the other board! Twenty posts and counting!
Hey Sanjay, maybe when you grow up you can tell others what to do. After all, you are still living at home with your mommy and daddy at 28 years and counting.

Usedbybaba, I'm still waiting for you to explain why you believed Sai Baba was God and why your 15 year timeline isn't adding up and you are avoiding an explanation. You are going to be held accountable for your contradictory statements no matter how much you try to distract from the issues. Also, if you lived in Puttaparthi as a child, as you claim, you would have also gone to school there yet you have said nothing about that.

Homoreno, this is not a place to post your blogs wholesale. Either post an extract or give a link. Don't post entire blogs that are irrelevant and out of place in this discussion forum.

Behave.

Sanjay, re-read my prior comment and cry your heart out: /m590

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Here's soemthing that I just wrote on the SSBDC in response to a query:

"Whatever way one looks at it, Sai Baba is internationally acknowledged as a homosexual predator with involvement in murders, financial scandals, grandiose self-importance and many other disturbing things. He has been the subject of numerous news paper articles and television documentaries that report on all of these things. Even academics are now beginning to sit up and take note because this is now in the 'mainstream' perception of Sai Baba.

"It doesn't matter what devotees think and what they think of the controversy. We know very well how politics works; the slightest hint of dirt in someone's background is enough to discredit them. Nothing to do with his competency, he may have been very good at the job. Even apart from that, there were seveal political reasons why he could not have attained the position. One of them is that India is an up-and-coming superpower that is breaking new fields; the appointment of Tharoor - an Indian - would bring concerns about geopolitical nepotism.

"As a political diplomat who was vying for a position that would have brought him international renown and which would have merited his attention on matters of delicate international issues, his openly declared connections to a disturbing religious leader would work against him at the very least."

Edited by author 10-17-2006 11:29 PM
AbusedFor15Years / UsedByBaba Lies

Since mid-May of 2006, an anonymous and faceless person using the names "abusedfor15years" and "usedbybaba" (whom appears to have used the past names "ex-sai student", "X-S", "saibabagod", "sriram", "sebastian", "ravi saluja", "Another Ex Student", "victimofsaileela", "saurabh", "abhin", "blldexter" and many others) made numerous defamatory and criminal allegations against Sathya Sai Baba on the SathyaSaiBaba2 Yahoo Group & QuickTopic.

Needless to say, Sanjay immediately took to "usedbybaba" and engaged him in conversation, never expressing any sort of healthy skepticism or asking for any kind of proof, evidence, documents or data to support the erroneous and criminal allegations "usedbybaba" made against Sathya Sai Baba.

Fortunately, "usedbybaba" self-imploded and fully exposed himself (which Anti-Sai Activists tend to do when mildly provoked). The following posts reveal what kind of person "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" truly is ("linga", in the following posts, means "penis"):

who is premanand? by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole. you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA. I can write worse than this and i am capable of doing more, u shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth. Maybe you eat through your bottom. You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying. You bi''**h Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine. tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth. If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I remember people for life and don't take me for granted. BAS****D" (Reference).

sob sob sob sob sob. If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you. Go and taste baba's linga . or rathnakar maybe.it is free. They told me he is divorced. Is it true? if it is true you can get married to him. try him he is only in his thirties unlike BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know .maybe he will adjust it when he knows he is going to die to suit the stories that he told. by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the third leg. we know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy (Reference).

And on QuickTopic:

lenin999@yahoo.co.uk: you think the so called devotees will allow anyone to invetigate. NO, THEY WILL KILL HIM. Osama must be jelous of baba for having such wonderful (killers) devotees

It is significant to point out that the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning in Prashanti Nilayam is the only college in India to have received an "A++" rating by the National Assessment and Accreditation Council (an autonomous body established by the University Grants Commission: Reference). For further proof, one can also read the Draft Report of the Peer Team on Institutional Accreditation of the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Deemed University) Vidyagiri, Prashanthi Nilayam – 515 134 (A.P) Visit Dates: December 2 – 4, 2002 (Reference: DOC File).

This is the esteemed University that "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" claimed he attended. Those who have visited Sathya Sai Baba's ashram know full well that his students speak flawless English and are reputed as some of the brightest in all of India (even receiving national awards from the President of India).

All it takes is one look at the atrocious English grammar and spelling used by "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" to know that he never attended Sathya Sai Baba's prestigious University.

Funny enough "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" pretended to be another student using the name of "blldexter". He accidentally posted under this name and tried to erase it later but his post was already sent to email subscribers, of which I am one. "usedbybaba" said about Baba's age, "BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know". If "usedbybaba" was really a student for 15 years, why doesn't he know Baba's age? "usedbybaba" has no clue if Baba is in his 70's, 80's or 90's.

These are the anonymous and faceless defamers who spread their lies on the internet against Sathya Sai Baba. The tide has turned and the only people who are being "exposed" are Anti-Sai Activists themselves.

Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba

Kristijan, precisely. You do not believe that they are lying. If you consider it from the other point of view, that they are lying, the whole problem is resolved. Either they are lying or they are hallucinating, the answer is along those lines.

It also doesn't ultimately matter if Sai Baba is guilty of child sex abuse or not, although this is not to be minimised. The fact is that he has attained fame (and wants more fame) on the basis of his alleged godhood. The fact also remains that he is not God and consequently his whole existence is based on a fraudulent and reprehensible sham. There are many reasons that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not God. For a start, he doesn't pass the acid test.

By the way, Raju also lied about his status as a reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba. He lied to Karanjia in a media interview that only he was responsible for knowing anything about Shirdi Sai Baba in an area where nothing was known of him. The recently discovered facts now show that there was a strong culture of Shirdi worship in Puttaparthi; Raju regularly attended Shirdi bhajans, memorised the Satcharita, openly worshipped Shirdi Sai Baba and sang praises in his honour, wore a locket of Shirdi around his neck and much more.

No wonder everyone was "amazed" when he declared himself as the reincarnation in 1943 (not 1940), they were not amazed, they thought he had gone nuts!

OK, thanks for sharing,that was interesting.
now ,if that is true i don't get how it's possible that SB appeared in peoples room, next to their bed.And i don't at all believe people who said that are lying.
Something is weird.
LOL

Edited by author 10-17-2006 11:17 PM
/m590

Trust Gerald 'HoMo'reno to twist my statements completely out of context to suit his desultory purposes. What else can we expect from a proven intellectually dishonest liar? Perhaps we need to drill it into his thick head a second time; My blog is specifically written for the layman who probably doesn't know Sai Baba from Adam. That is the main reason why all of my articles are written as 'simple' as possible so that even a child can understand. I have also stated in my blog in several places that, despite my Gaudiya Vaishnava religion, I will not be arguing my points against Sai Baba from the viewpoint of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Although I can do so very easily since it gives me plenty of ammunition, but it is unfair to launch a sectarian attack. :-)

Consequently I write for the 'layman' who may very well be an atheist and have no knowledge of Hindu/Vedantic philosophy and who can easily understand whatever it is that I am saying. As such, "sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like". Anyone with even half a brain can understand this point, but not Homoreno, oh no! He will find yet another way to twist this until it is unrecognisable, tsk tsk.

Homoreno accuses me (on other forums) of "cherry-picking" my sources when he does the exact same thing by paying undue attention to one sentence in a five-part series of articles. Talk about intellectual dishonesty with a generous helping of hypocrisy!

Joe Moreno EXPOSED! /m269

Dear Angel,
I will give you some details. Why? because I thought you are actually enticing me to tell some details and then maybe use it to get me in trouble. Now in the morning ,when I got up my heart told me that I need not fear you or anyone and I am getting a reassurance every time I am thinking of it.. If it happens to me I know that it is God’s voice (that has been my experience).I have also stopped abusing anyone including BaBa because of the same voice. I have learnt to forgive him too. Not that I am going to believe him ,but my inner feeing told me that for my own sake I have to forgive people.
Now coming to your questions. (I know that Lisa is going to ruthlessly abuse me usning my own words and that was one reason that I did not speak)
!.for nearly three years baba did not bother about me.During these years I was brain washed about Baba by my own faith being a fertile ground for growing my faith with tremendous input through Discourses, Students who were as devoted as me or more and the total Ambience.. This period makes you yearn for BaBa .Even during this period ,I saw Students who had been there before I joined behaving without any sense of so called Discipline, for reasons not understood by us. They would crack sex jokes etc.,. (period when I heard of Lallu Panju). Then when Baba started talking to me it was very very important thing in my life and all he did was told me to remove my pant and applied the oil below the solar plexes. Then he told me to take pada namaskar and when I tried to get up he would not allow me ,meaning he wanted me to go to his thing. by that time he had kissed me on the mouth and all that. Because of my faith it was a spiritual experience for me .My fear of thinking of sex in front of the Almighty etc., was gone. So I took it as an expeience.The next time he called me , I had just taken a cold shower and he caught my penis and the heat of his hand made it stand erect, But Baba was obviously very happy.He was all smiles. Now this handling of my thing went on for a few years and I thought he was purifying me or something beyond my comprehension. He did not do anything because I was not co-operate in the way he was expecting ,but I was very obviously very devoted and my faith was increasing .Seeing me innocently trusting him unlike the others who were either happily joining him or running away from parthi, he waited for me to get caught in his place.(Don’t ask me how?) Once I was caught he slowly started troubling me, but even here my innocence and faith in him saved me to a large extent. He compelled me to do the blow job and I was totally confused. He was giving me signals as though it is ok to be a homo .It was repulsive but God was telling me. I cannot tell you all the details because some of my friends know the details nd my way of expressing the same. Lisa said Baba must be having the knack of finding the dumb ones . the fact is he tries two to three new persons every month and it is we who decide what to do and I was dumb but there were many who were smart to use or go away. As far as the 15 years is concerned ,I lived more than that in Parthi and When I was supposed to fill the area of first name ,Second name and so on I just filled not knowing it will be displayed and to my own surprise. I haope you won’t lose your sleep over this.I feel you are sincere ,So let me reiterate. All the Molestation Charges are absolutely true, but some think it is the inexplicable way of God. When I was confused about things ,I met and Indian American ,to whom I had confessed, he told me that he had heard these accusations and was praying to know the truth and at that time I had confessed to him. Together we came out of thee rut mentally. I had to stay there for some more time and then was very happy to leave.
I cannot tell you when I came out becaus Every year except the boys who normally finish their cousre,among those who stayed longer,for more than a decade or so, only one or two persons come out and they can identify me.

re /m587 & /m588
Poor Sanjay (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"). He must be pulling his hair out by now. lol

First of all I never claimed that people who believe in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like are are not "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people. Sanjay was the person who made this claim. Sanjay said:

Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like.

Funny enough, since Sanjay and his Scriptures promote belief in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like, one is left to wonder why Sanjay (a fanatic miracle monger) would claim that such people are NOT "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth"?

Sanjay attempted to clarify his position (got to give him points for trying):

My sentence was clearly intended for the consumption of people who do not believe in reincarnation, etc. It does not reflect my own personal beliefs.

Now, Sanjay is telling us that for those who do not believe in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like, that he, his Hare Krishna Gurus (Srila Prabhupada and Srila Gour Govinda Swami), his Hindu Scriptures (Vedas, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Ramayana, Upanishads, etc) ALL should not be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Talk about shooting one's self in the foot TWICE! lol

I think a quote from Alan Kazlev (Sanjay's newfound friend) is called for. Kazlev called Sanjay a "adolescent f*ckhead" (Ref). lol

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Lisa, even though Sai Baba says that you are a dog and you insist on barking like one, I'd say you are getting much closer to attaining your true nature now that you acknowledge yourself as behaving like a ferret. Close, but there's some way to go yet.

Why don't you lay your cards on the table and tell everyone why you believe in Sai Baba as God? Since you are in a minority in the world population, the whole world is waiting for your answer since you are the curiosity here, not the other way around.

And while you're racking your two brain cells trying to think of an answer that will make you look all smart and scholarly (but will fail as usual), you can try quitting it with the school playground behaviour when you ridiculously assert that you know more about Hinduism than born Hindus. Get a reality check, honey, you don't know jack! :-)

Stop behaving like a silly child.

/m570:

Gerald 'HoMo'reno has, in many places (even on Wikipedia) decried psychic and paranormal phenomena like reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like.

Yet he openly professes his faith in Sai Baba (/m385) who, hilariously enough, is a complete believer in reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings, aliens, UFOs, and much more!

That's what you get for shooting yourself in your smelly feet, Homoreno! Lol.

Joe Moreno EXPOSED! /m269

Edited by author 10-17-2006 10:08 PM
Re /m570:

"On Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") blog, he said:

    "Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like."


Since all the scriptures that Sanjay believes in (i.e., Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Upanishads and Ramayana) talk about (and promote belief in) reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like, these scriptures cannot be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Sanjay just refuted the sciptures that are used to determine the "acid test" of an avatar. That's what you get for opening your big mouth Sanjay. lol"

Is Gerald 'HoMo'reno THICK Or Something?

My sentence was clearly intended for the consumption of people who do not believe in reincarnation, etc. It does not reflect my own personal beliefs. Unbelievable that such a thick person like Homoreno cannot understand such a simple thing. In fact, my entire blog is written in an "impartial" way since 'innocent' people are the target audience.

Tough luck Handbag! Please try again. :-)


P.S. And, as usual, neither of the two goons (Homoreno and Lisa) answered the point about the 'acid test'. The 'Acid Test' to determine avatarhood are predictions in the scriptures. Sai Baba is not predicted as an avatar in the scriptures, ergo he is a fraud. Very simple. It's all over. :-)

Edited by author 10-17-2006 07:28 PM
Usedbybaba, you have already claimed you believed Baba was God (and, according to you, that is why you gave him blow jobs) and now you are backtracking and saying he has to prove himself to you! Gee, can't you see how this makes you look like a liar?
Personally, I could care less whether you believe he is God or not. My job is to determine whether your statements are consistent and at this point they do not appear to be consistant all. When one combines that with the fact that you have ZERO corroborative witnesses and ZERO evidence of your claims, it is not hard to come to the conclusion that you are NOT a truthful person.
You have YET to tell us, even though you have been asked SEVERAL times, just WHY you believed Sai Baba was God.

You are the one playing with peoples emotions buddy. We are trying to ferret out the truth here and you keep jumping around the questions yet claiming you are answering them!

And quit your whining. You are just as abusive, if not more so, than anyone here with all your threats and mind games. You are using it as a poor excuse not to have to answer questions.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 02:04 PM
"Did I ?
Extremely sorry. That is another reason that i should not talk about my life and play with your emotions.
Angle"nobody needs to prove anything." so i need not prove whether i was abused or not. Or is this rule only for baba."

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To me it doesn't make any sense that a sexually abused victim would speak of it's abuser like that, as if you're just a regular person.

this is what you said:






"If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. "
_____________________
That person sexually molested you ,so your abuser doesn't need to prove anything to you, you already know everything and you have no reason to be interested in getting to know the truth ,since you already now it ALL.
 
you NEED to be obsessed talking about him molesting you and WARNING other people .








"the onus is on him to prove it to us. "
___________________

BUT I THOUGHT YOU GAVE HIM A BLOW JOB FOR A FEW TIMES?????
WHAT DO YOU CARE??


it just doesn't make sense,That you're into such "general discussions" about your abuser.






"Because it will only put me in trouble and I cannot prove anything.As I said earlier it is my word Vs Babas or yours.So I want to discuss it from a normal person's point of view."
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what trouble,again you make no sense.
It would only make you look incredible if the time frame wouldn't fit your earlier stories.




"You say you answered all my questions DID you?? no. you answered only one question."
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No, you're blatantly lying.I answered to ALL of your questions.







"By the way thi swill be my last reply to you if you insist on discussing ME."
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Hello!!!
you are a sexually molested victim,what else is there to discuss.
Sb's message??????? ....No, we can discuss that after we sort things out about your case.

At this point you just seem as a disingenuous person ,unwilling to reciprocate by answering to some simple most basic questions.
Like i said you're blatantly lying ..you know very well i answered honestly to all of your questions.I feel used and cheated .
You demanded that i answer...I did ,because i expected you'd answer back to me,but you refuse , by giving some lame excuses that JUST DON'T HOLD WATER.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 10:04 AM
Angel"How dare you play with people's emotions??
how dare you?"

Did I ?
Extremely sorry. That is another reason that i should not talk about my life and play with your emotions.
Angle"nobody needs to prove anything." so i need not prove whether i was abused or not. Or is this rule only for baba.

Angle"You're interested in generally discussing Sai Baba as if you're just a regular person,not a sexually abused victim."

Because it will only put me in trouble and I cannot prove anything.As I said earlier it is my word Vs Babas or yours.So I want to discuss it from a normal person's point of view.
You say you answered all my questions DID you?? no. you answered only one question.
By the way thi swill be my last reply to you if you insist on discussing ME.
All I acn say ,I did not lie but was not puorosely clear.There might be some which might be even anachronical but not untrue.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 04:03 PM
If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. Sri Yukteshwar Maharaj,guru of SRi Paramahamsa yogananda (yogda satsang society and author of Autobiography of a yogi) said before you accept anyone as Guru you have all the right to check his/her credibility.
Now that is the reason I say look before you leap.He is not showing he is credible.

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why are you mentioning OTHER GURUS ,what are you talking about,nobody needs to prove anything to you.
You were sexually abused by sai baba don't you remember?
what interest do yo have in discussing sb's credibility and his "message" in general.You gave him a "blow job".

You're interested in generally discussing Sai Baba(your abuser) as if you're just a regular person,not his sexually abused victim.
something doesn't make sense here.





"you will be wasting your time by trieng to get an answer from me."
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usedbybaba i answered to all of your questions!
why don't you answer mine?

you're not fair ,you asked me all kind of questions but you fail to respond to mine.
what kind of a logic is that?

Please don't tell me you lied about this and you personally weren't sexually abused by sb.
Did i waste my energy for nothing?
Did you lie about this?
What kind of a person are you.
Did you deceive me?
What gives you the right??
How dare you play with people's emotions??
how dare you?

Lisa"You don't have guts enough to answer my questions ya coward"
Thankyou for proving me correct by your abuse.By the way have you ever asked questions about Baba and your logical conclusion that he is God/Avatar.Surprising.

Angel"You can't find the proper answers.
You had no problem discussing Blow jobs, but when it comes to telling the time frame.You're left speechless."

Yes i am speechless and i can't find the proper answer.I had no problems discussing the "blow job" then,Now I have problems.You have won the argument, fine.
Dear angel is it not funny that you tell me the whole thing is a waste but you want us to discuss the waste again and again.you will be wasting your time by trieng to get an answer from me.Instead you can try the other forums and I think i recognise some students there.May God bless you

LISA"Usedbybaba, I have to remind you again that YOU are not a credible accuser"

Logic does not need credibility.If a criminal says that the sun rises in the east, will yous ay no, because you are a criminal and you do not have credibiliy I will not accept it??
Similarly the truth about baba is what we are discussing. We have heard recently of a group of cult members believing that the world is going to end and they together committed suicide.Why did they do that? because they did not have the logic to tell themselves ,If the whole world is going to die we have no choice ,but let us not assume that such and such a thing is going to happen.
Similarly if one person says (including me) nobody need to believe.instead let us analyse and find out why we should worship someon and sacrifice our whole life.If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. Sri Yukteshwar Maharaj,guru of SRi Paramahamsa yogananda (yogda satsang society and author of Autobiography of a yogi) said before you accept anyone as Guru you have all the right to check his/her credibility.
Now that is the reason I say look before you leap.He is not showing he is credible.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 06:28 AM
"In that case please find someone who is ready to speak about it. I am not.
period"

_________________________

usedbybaba,

how come you were more then ready to speak about blow jobs and touching ,but when i present you with the most simple questions ever to which answers would in no way point to your identity you back off.

You just don't know what to write regarding those 15 years of abuse.
You don't want to write about how long you stayed in Parthi... can it match with abusedfor15years??
And finally you can't find a proper explanation as to why you ,who are "1000 times more intelligent" after nauseating experience of giving sb a blow job as an adult went to him and gave it to him over and over and over again.
You can't find the proper answers.
You had no problem discussing Blow jobs, but when it comes to telling the time frame.You're left speechless.

Look at those 3 most simple questions,why would they leave a "truthful" person mute.
I'm sure You can't expect me to believe you ,if you're not willing to answer to my questions even though i answered to all of yours.





1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

Edited by author 10-17-2006 03:39 AM
You don't have guts enough to answer my questions ya coward. You lie about that too. I'm still waiting for you to act like an adult and answer my questions ya con artist. All you do is play abusive head games which is another clear sign you are a drunkard. I am more of a Hindu than you are bozo. You don't even understand your own religion or Baba. I don't believe you lived in Puttaparthi. Puttaparthi is full of miraculous happenings yet you claim you have never seen any. Yet you contradict yourself and claim you believed Sai Baba was God. Gee are you so dumb you cannot see how idiotic your contradictions are?

No, on the contrary you keep abusing others with your lies and you know I know you are a LIAR. You are the one who can't handle the truth. Baba is INNOCENT and YOU are the perpetrator of lies. You are the one with your drunken head in the sand.

As i said .you keep abusing me.nothing else.Is baba a person to be followed .He says "my life is my message" is my first question
I can see you that i have upset you with the truth.

LISA "And once again you show that you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking"

The fact is iam a hindu and you are not i was in parthi and you hawere not ,so when you cannot you just abuse and escape as i predicted.

I repeat, if you have guts try answering my simple questions and don't run away.People without matter will only abuse and not come to the point.
Wheni ask you how baba has proved in his so called Physical from that he is worth being followed,Remember he says"my life is my message"

I'll tellyou how you will answer
you will say" You dumbo are you so dumwitted that you cannot write a sentence in english,you must have fallen from a tree or something.Maybe
you dcid not understand what i said used buddy.you are so contradictory and idiotic you are caught in your own trap, blah blah blah".
AS I SAID YOU NEEDS GUTS TO SPEAK NORMALLY AND ANSWER MY QUESTION.DO YOU HAVE IT.OR ARE YOU GOING TO ABUSE AND ESCAPE????
See how logical you are Lisa By the way Sanjay is God don't abuse him and earn mor and more bad karma.

And the "main focus" here ISN'T your allegations ya arrogant drunk. The focus here is WHO is Sai Baba? According to MILLIONS of people Sai Baba is a Divine Being. Nobody even knows who you are bozo. You are a nobody who is hiding out spewing his cowardly poison on the internet because he apparently doesn't have a life and is in serious need of some reality therapy. Got that?

As far as I'm concerned YOU are the liar and abuser with criminal inclinations, usedbybaba. You have absolutely no proof of your claims. On the other hand we already have tons of proof as to your lack of character on these message boards. Gee will someone have to hunt you down by your IP # and send you a cease and desist notice?

"this topic is about SB,there's nothing more scandalous then him sexually abusing you ,that is the main focus here."
In that case please find someone who is ready to speak about it. I am not.
period

Edited by author 10-17-2006 02:44 AM
/m567

Pathetic! Sai Baba isn't misrepresenting Hinduism, YOU are bozo! You are so arrogant, contradictory and idiotic regarding your silly beliefs it is hilarious! Since you are not even rational or honest regarding your beliefs (or anything else for that matter) there is no use discussing it with you. But it is important to point out to the general public just how dishonest and ignorant you are about yourself and your so-called Hindu beliefs (see /m566), which are not really Hindu beliefs at all. You are more like a cult-like cartoon figure.

Where are all your followers, dumbo?

re /m563

On Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") blog, he said:

"Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like."

Since all the scriptures that Sanjay believes in (i.e., Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Upanishads and Ramayana) talk about (and promote belief in) reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like, these scriptures cannot be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Sanjay just refuted the sciptures that are used to determine the "acid test" of an avatar. That's what you get for opening your big mouth Sanjay. lol

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed /m272

/m566: "I'm not going to waste my time arguing..."

So why don't you get lost like people have been telling you? :-)

Re: /m566: "you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking about."

No they don't. :-)

Unless, of course, we are speaking about a minority opinion that has been humilated for centuries thanks to it's extremely weak exegesis and consistency. :-)

Have fun being a minor, lol.

So now Lisa De Witt thinks she knows more about Hinduism than I do. LOL. That's it, it's all over. She's finally up the wazoo.. :-)

I am not confused about anything. I know full well what I believe and I also know full well what Hinduism is all about. You cannot explain or understand even one iota of Sai Baba's teachings because he himself is misrepresenting Hinduism. The proof is all over my blog; just put the term "boo-boo" in the search box at the top and see what results. :-) Sai Baba can't even keep his stories straight about Radha, Krishna, Balaram, Shirdi Sai, and his moronic and barking dog devotees like Lisa hang onto every word. Lol.

Meanwhile, he's getting exposed all over the place since the 1970s Bock movies for cheating with vibhuti "miracles".

Edited by author 10-16-2006 11:56 PM
Usedbybaba, I have to remind you again that YOU are not a credible accuser. You are an obvious fabricator and gossip. The fact that you have to hide so that none can look into your claims is proof positive that you are nothing but a blatant liar. And I guess I also have to remind you that YOU started abusing people just for saying they didn't believe you so you are also a major hypocrite. Not to mention I also consider your continuous LIES about Sai Baba a form of ABUSE! You consistently try to turn things around when you are caught in your own trap. I can tell you are used to getting away with your mind games with other people and that's why you think you can do it here but it isn't going to happen. You are nothing but a con man who thinks he has learned to lie his way through life. You aren't going to con anyone this time. Your game is up. You have been had. Unless you can process your claims honestly in a legal setting you are considered a NONENTITY, got that used buddy?
And once again you show that you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking about.

Jesus once said, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

I suspect you are the one who has made up the student list claiming students were molested. I guess you are too ignorant to know some of those students have come forward and said they did NOT belong on that list, that it was a lie. This is obvious anyway as not ONE of those students had EVER previously made a public statement regarding the issue.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 12:40 AM
/m564

Dadlani, you haven't demolished ANYTHING except your own credibility. You are one of the dumbest Hindus there is! Even white people like me understand more about Hinduism than you do. You have the belief system of an evangelical Christian dumbo. You do not believe in reincarnation and neither do they. Hindus BELIEVE in reincarnation. According to your statements you do not believe in miracles EITHER (even though you claim to believe in Krishna who is renowned for His miracles)! This is an atheistic belief! You are so dumb you can't even get your belief systems to be consistent with the religion you claim to be a part of. You are so confused and contradictory about your belief systems that I do believe in the end you will end up as an atheist. This will most likely happen when you realize just how much trouble you are in as a result of your incessant lies and deviant behavior and you have to deal with some very harsh realities of life.

Re: /m548: Lisa De Witt barked thus: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu."

The main problem with Lisa De Witt's wholly ignorant and laughable rant is that her own "knowledge" of Hinduism leaves much to be desired. Based on her interpretation of Hindu tenets (that have been dealt with and demolished many a time) she thinks that she is some kind of spiritual authority in which she can tell born Hindus how orthodox they are!

Since Lisa appears to hold sacred a tenet that bespeaks of Advaitic (nondual) inclinations, I should make mention that this is a minority view. Not only is it in the minority but it has very little intellectual rigorousness to boast of and is incredibly weak. There are several different schools of "Hinduism" that have varying degrees of intellectual rigorousness and which are far stronger than Advaita. Some of these are Sri Vaishnavism, Tattvavada (Dvaita), Achintya-bheda-bheda, Pushti-margiya, Dvaitadvaita (Nimbarkis), Virashavism, Lingayat Shaivism, and many more. What to speak of different categories such as Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Sankhya, etc.

The point being that "Hinduism" is varied and made up of many different schools and it is upto the individual to decide which they want to follow. Lisa and Sai baba do not repreresent the majority view because there is no majority to speak of. Consequently Lisa is ill-equipped to determine the intellectual rigorousness of Sai Baba's teachings (which are hilarious and weak anyway) and she is similarly ill-equipped to judge who is and who isn't a "Hindu". Especially when she is an ignorant and hateful Fundamentalist Christian who knows next-to-nothing of Hinduism beyond Sai Baba's ridiculous "teachings".

However, if she continues to insist that she is correct then she may bow down and kiss my feet. I won't object.

Proof Sai Baba is NOT An Avatar

Re: /m551: Lisa very stupidly declared:

"You cannot prove that Sai Baba is not an Avatar."

Oh yes we can. There is only one way to determine who is a true avatar and who is not and it is a very, very simple way: The scriptures must predict his advent.

And why not? Sai devotees are already claiming that his advent has been predicted in scriptures. They are so greedy that they are not even satisfied with the Vedic scriptures, they insist that he is predicted in scriptures of other religions as well! What speak of so much talk of various 'naadi' scrolls that no one has ever nor which have been published.

Just one small problem: the propehecies are fake. Ergo, Sai Baba is a fake.

This is the Acid Test: If he's not indicated in the scriptures, he's not an avatar. End of.

How easy was it to prove Sai Baba is not an avatar? It took just two minutes to write this post. :-)

And while I'm on the subject, I also brought down another video from the loft which contains a copy of Richard Bock's 'Darshan - A Vision Of Reality'. Richard Bock was the premier devotee filmmaker of the 1970s and produced many movies that contains evidence of cheating on materialisations, although I don't think he ever realised it.

In this movie Sai Baba is in the 1970s with the famous 'short hair' look and because there is flashy camerawork, you can't see the whole incident in full since it is panning up and down on Sai Baba in darshan. Yet just before he proceeds to "materialise" vibhuti for someone, the camera clearly shows him taking something from out of his left hand.

This film shows that Sai Baba has been cheating on miracles since the 1970s at least, the old coot.

Speaking of cheating on videos, I remember reading a letter from James Redmond some time ago. For those who don't know, James Redmond is/was the official Sai Baba moviemaker of recent years. He was granted exclusive permission to film Sai Baba and collect footage for "darshan videos" and new movies, as well as being the near exclusive filmer of discourses. His contributions are so excellent that they even have English subtitles for the translation.

I don't know of his current devotee status but he did write a letter stating (in more or less) that he was leaving Sai baba on account of his sexual molestations and he had plenty of video evidence of his frauds. In another letter he made a specific mention about the famous "Bible materialisation" miracle of Christmass 1999 (I believe). He said that this video (filmed by him and sent to Sai Organisation worldwide) showed clear evidence that Sai Baba did not "materialise" that little book and that is was pure sleight-of-hand.

Even though I have had this video for years [:-)], I never bothered to check it out.

Recently (as of a couple of weeks ago) I went up into my loft to look for some stuff and I came across the tape, so I said I may as well check it out. Sure enough, I fast-forwarded to the place before he "materialises" the book and I couldn't believe my own eyes:

The old rascal has it in his hand the whole time

He never materialised it! We all know how he moves his hands in a circle to "materialise" anything he wants and, sure enough, he moved his hand in a circle to "materialise" this little Bible book. Trouble is, Sai Baba is too much of a show-off who relies almost exclusively on the element of surprise. People don't expect him to materialsie anything during a discourse so there is ample time for him to stun everyone with a sensational item such as a miniature Bible that he supposedly apported from it's place of irigin, some caves on the Black Sea.

The old squirt is amazing. He truly believes that no one is watching while he has the little book in his hand while he is circling his hand! The book is so miniature that he can "hide" it in his thumb. Sai Baba's usual materialisation practice involves all of his fingers (including the thumb) spread out. Well this one has four fingers and a thumb inside the palm, and behind the thumb is the book while he is pretending to materialise it.

James Redmond was right, Sai Baba is a charlatan. One more proof that he is a sham.

"I have already told you that i will never reveal my past.If you feel that you have answerd my question only for me to answer your my questions on me,
I am sorry ,I am not for that.You can answer only if you feel you want to know the truth about BABA,Because this site is about BABA and not me."

_______________

this topic is about SB,there's nothing more scandalous then him sexually abusing you ,that is the main focus here.

Now answer these simple questions which in no way reveal your identity.
If you don't i can only assume that you're not being TRUTHFUL!

1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu

COME ON ANGEL,SHE IS SAYING BABA IS GOD IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS WORTH BEING WORSHIPPED.IS THIS ARGUMENT CORRECT.MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.MAYBE YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF HINUISM IS CONFUSING YOU.
BY THE WAY BABA GAVE THIS ARGUMENT ONCE WHEN HE WAS TALKING OF ANIMALS(STREET DOGS)
HE SAID TREAT THEM WELL BECAUSE THEY ARE GOD.BUT IF THEY COME INSIDE THE HOUSE KICK THEM OUT AND IT WILL BE GOD KICKING GOD

Angel,Can't you say .He is God Or HE is Not.
Maybe Lisa and her friends will start abusing you, is it???

If i have to answer your question,I have to give you disconnected things.
you will ask me details which i cnnot give.

you tell me how is my past going to help you.
All that will happen is help Lisa divert the attention of this forum.
I have already told you that i will never reveal my past.If you feel that you have answerd my question only for me to answer your my questions on me,
I am sorry ,I am not for that.You can answer only if you feel you want to know the truth about BABA,Because this site is about BABA and not me.

By the way i don't know why Anti-babas don't keep pestering me with questions about me. Thanks Anti-babas

 
 LISA: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

Can you answer my point without abusing

________________

usedbybaba what are you talking about?
She told you something logical ...in the end Brahman is all ,she didn't say "MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED".

why are you making things up,please let's focus on the REAL THING HERE,YOUUUUUUUUUUUU, HIS MOLESTATION VICTIM.

so anywayyyyyy,,,
1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

LISA: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

Can you answer my point without abusing.

Edited by author 10-16-2006 08:23 AM
"that is why i ask you, Do you have the guts to answer my question without abusing.
His so called physical life is full of crap and cheating and lies.He says that is his message to be followed.
Do you expect everyone to follow this.
If someone like mahatma Gandhi tells us his lifeis his message there is something.How can a person
1.got into murder controversy
2.has no propeer date of birth date,but tells the whole world a new date of birth.
3.Runs from people who are trying to attack him (which Avatar did that)
 did rama or krishna or jesus do that?
4.Does not reply to molestation charges?
 Be called God? and that too with"my life is my message.
"
_________________________

I totally get what you're s saying,he's a really controversial and suspicious person.








"I told you to answer the question : Is Sai ba is God or not?
you are saying, you don't know .
either he is or he is not .now you are trying to divert the atention by asking quetions about me."

________________________________


i have answered you honestly.I do not now,it's simple as that.
Now stop escaping 3 simple questions.I have answered to your each question,now it's time for you to do the same.
If you're being truthful you'll have no problem answering them.


1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

Edited by author 10-16-2006 07:44 AM
Abusive devotee of baba, you say "I have experienced Baba's divinity."

I say i have experinced his a molestation .both of us cannot prove our point.

that is why i ask you, Do you have the guts to answer my question without abusing.
His so called physical life is full of crap and cheating and lies.He says that is his message to be followed.
Do you expect everyone to follow this.
If someone like mahatma Gandhi tells us his lifeis his message there is something.How can a person
1.got into murder controversy
2.has no propeer date of birth date,but tells the whole world a new date of birth.
3.Runs from people who are trying to attack him (which Avatar did that)
 did rama or krishna or jesus do that?
4.Does not reply to molestation charges?
 Be called God? and that too with"my life is my message.
As far as your experiences are concerned,people have experienced God in their own Relatives like a dead Grand Father. Should we all do the same

Abuses only show that you have no answer so you are getting angry and abusing.

I told you to answer the question : Is Sai ba is God or not?
you are saying, you don't know .
either he is or he is not .now you are trying to divert the atention by asking quetions about me.

Edited by author 10-16-2006 06:18 AM
usedbybaba,
you made me answer your questions,now answer mine,just some simplistic stuff...

A devotee from childhood you say.
But it said usedbybaba for 15 years.
how were you used by baba for 15 years.
Can you explain?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Why did you give sb blow job for few times.
You said it was nauseating?
Why did you give him more?

Edited by author 10-16-2006 07:26 AM
The point is, usedbybaba that you are being VERY disingenuous and misleading regarding the God issue. Your statements indicate that you absolutely do not understand and have not studied Baba's TEACHINGS (and therefore were NEVER a devotee)!!! Thank you for showing me what a fraud you are. You have just made it all too clear!

And I guess I have to remind you that there is absolutely no PROOF of your ridiculous claims. On the other hand we do have DOCUMENTED PROOF on this and the other board of your statement discrepancies and outright lies.

Second hand stories are not proof you idiot!
And you still have no proof that this jeweller is bringing the stuff you claim. A leather bag is proof of NOTHING! The fact that you think you can play detective is laughable! You don't even have the slightest clue as to how to gather evidence! In other words, as usual, you have NO evidence. All you have is a second hand story accusing someone of something you cannot prove. Sound familiar? Just one more reason why I do not believe you are college educated. You are too gullible and dumb.

Regarding the rest of your statements you are doing nothing but playing mind games and talking nonsense. You are a VERY disingenuous and irresponsible person usedbybaba. It is VERY hypocritical of you to try to hold people to standards that you yourself are not following. You are not a role model. You are NOT a character witness usedbybaba. Character witnesses do not hide behind anonymous usernames and gossip nonstop second hand stories like girly girls.

Please get real and grow up. You are not fooling anyone with your continuous head games.

BTW, there is ALL kinds of documentation in books and on the internet about Sai Baba. Like I said, one cannot prove anything to another, one must experience. I have experienced Baba's divinity. You cannot prove that I haven't. Nor can you prove that others who say they have spiritual experiences with Him haven't. The fact that you pretend to know more than others is very disingenuous. You keep trying to set standards that you yourself cannot FOLLOW. You cannot prove that Sai Baba is not an Avatar. You cannot even prove something as SIMPLE as fraud! You are so full of hot air it is pathetic. Also, you cannot even prove who you are ya hypocrite! How dumb is that? Please engage your brain for once and think about how hypocritical you are being.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 10:14 PM
Lisa:No one can come up with any vibhuti pellets or the name of a jeweller who supposedly makes the rings or other objects Sai Baba hands out.

There are many contributors for jwels but his miain source of purchase is from a man called Aswath narayana from Anathapur (you can go to puttaparthi and watch for a short,dark man with specktacles.He always goes alone to the interview room with baba.What is the work of a jeweller with baba,every second or third week.Whenhe goes inside he woud carry a small leather bag,filled with something and comes back with an empty bag.Sanjay ,this guy has a son who told a student friend of mine that his Father was indeed the supplier(this student hailed from the same place and speak the same language using the same slang)Now this son of the jweller is for your reference.WE knew the fact that baba was being supplied by this man.After all we have and had so many boys doing "duty"in baba's room.
As far as watches there are many from Bombay atleast I know of two. I don't want to name one because his children studied there and the other person i know only by face.
Iam not here to approve or dis approve his so called omnipresence,It is as impossible to prove as his sexual molestationsand as i said earlier,I have seen people who clearly show their claivoyant skills and after that ask for money(like begger),Do we call them Avatars???
Let us not go into the direct experience thing.Even if it true it cannot be
discussed for there is no proof.

"If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

As far as the videos,any one can see that he is doing some mischief, it isvery clear in his Linga vomitting ,but those who do not want to see cannot.
I have told you that the point of dicussion is not about what happend to me and so th discussion on "usedby baba for 15 years " and all that is irrelevaent
Forget the Indian Govt.the point is what we have with us we discuss with and not somthing that is not available to us plus the indian gvt. has also got people like you and me.Talk with what we have.If lisa cannot answer point by point to my question,there is no discussion here (with her)
Lisa ,you ask the question ,marked 1 2 3 and prove that baba is GOD.
othrwise you are just wasting everyone's time.

"so-called evidence to the police or court to prove their allegations"

When she is not accepting things right in front of her,,even if she sees baba murdering someone she will say i am not sure. she has decide that he is her GOD.She can have that view and as far as i am concerned.

To repeat by your own logic you can start worshipping Sanjay and me,don't start abusing ,IT is your logic.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 08:41 PM
Usedbybaba changed his username from abusedfor15years immediately after I started questioning his timeline discrepancy on the 15 year claim. Since usedbybaba has stated that he was NOT abused until he was nineteen, this would mean he was allegedly abused from the age of 19 + 15 years or until the age of 34. This does not match usedbybaba's claim that he was a devotee as a child and changed somewhere in between since the alleged abuse did not happen until he was nineteen and he claims he let it continue (because he was allegedly a brainwashed adult) until the age of 34 before he became an ex-devotee. Apparently, usedbybaba is not very good at math.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 10:05 PM
/m530

OK, let's talk about all the lies coming out of usedbybaba's mouth.

If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu.

Usedbybaba's second lie is that Sai Baba's miracles have not been proven. Even the Indian government has documented and attested to Sai Baba's AUTHENTIC miracles (this was mentioned in Rod Serling's documentary, Man of Miracles). Besides this very important FACT, usedbybaba is so arrogant as to think that he can speak for other people, including me, who will attest to the FACT that Baba has proven his omniscience and DIVINE abilities to them from THOUSANDS of miles away. There are many of us who are smart enough, unlike usedbybaba, to create our own tests which can and have been documented. That being said, even scientific tests can be altered in any manner by unscrupulous persons (with an agenda) so the proof of authenticity must eventually come from DIRECT experience, not someone elses "test." It is ridiculous and disingenuous to think that spiritual phenomena can be attested to in any other way.

And thirdly, we have already discussed that usedbybaba is lying about the very subjective videos and besides that, video images can be altered and we have DOCUMENTED proof that the anti-Sais can and do falsely alter and scrub documents or anything else in order to further their agenda of lies. Maybe this is why the anti-Sais will not invite a neutral expert to examine their claims. Funny that they continuously demand others follow standards of PROOF they refuse to hold themselves to!

And fourthly, I have said before that fraud is a VERY easy thing to prove yet the anti-Sais have never tried to take their so-called evidence to the police or court to prove their allegations which is more proof they are lying. No one can come up with any vibhuti pellets or the name of a jeweller who supposedly makes the rings or other objects Sai Baba hands out. It is always whisper, gossip and innuendo. So what about the japamala David Bailey saw materialize and writes about in his book? Who is making those? And who is making the statues and photos (when there were no cameras around) Baba materializes? The anti-Sais want to be free to irresponsibly slander anyone they choose without proof and without repercussion and then whine like crybabies when they are called on it.

Usedbybaba is obviously a VERY dishonest fellow and a game player to boot. This is why he will not tell his story except in little bits which he appears to be making up as he goes along. You will also notice he is now renigging on the molestation issue and acknowledging that molestation cannot be proven! Now falling back on the very flimsy argument that the materializations can be proven to be fake!

Hilarious. Now you know why I call him bozo the clown.

Sai Baba Shirdi Lies or Sanjay Dadlani's Shirdi Lies?
Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 1
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 2
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 3

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-15-2006 02:36 PM
i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.

"It is a contradictory statement.you should understand that if someone is an Avatar he is God."

well i personally believe everything is God..i believe all is one,so sb and everything else including.

Now whether he's a purna avatar with a mission or if he's just a regular person i don't really know.

anyway,
how are you endangering yourself by telling me some simplistic stuff,you're just 1 outa billion people living in India?

A devotee from childhood you say.
But it said usedbybaba for 15 years.
how were you used by baba for 15 years.
Can you explain?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Why did you give sb blow job for few times.
You said it was nauseating?
Why did you give him more?

"YOU HAVE STILL NOT GIVEN A COMMITED ANSWER TO THE QUESTION :IS HE GOD OR NOT? JUST A STRAIT YES OR NO."

how the heck should i know???
i live across the globe in Croatia and I've never seen him.I have no idea who he is!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 02:16 PM
Again you are talking of sexual abuse.Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

you say: "Whether he is God or not i don't know that either."

how can you sy that ? Do you know that murders took place there.
Then Will God (that too, a God who proclaims "My Life is my message")allow murders to take place and on top of it act as a negative "example" by not talking openly and clearly about it and clear all the doubts.

He never answers any question on the accusations that are directed at him.Is this the right example.If it is not HOW CAN SUCH A PERSON WHO PREACHES SOMETHING SO WRONG BE GOD.Will you still say there is a chance that he might be God???

Angel:"how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is."

But you can say he is not God because God is Truth,Love and fearlessness and a person who is not truthful can never be God. is it not?
Do we have to doubt God's qualities or should we change our idea of God to suit such a person like Sai baba???
To me,my God is good ,loving, truthful and never hypocratic.and I think it is be the same for everyone.
So even if baba, so to say, flies up in the sky,he will be a Ghost and not GOD.
YOU HAVE STILL NOT GIVEN A COMMITED ANSWER TO THE QUESTION :IS HE GOD OR NOT? JUST A STRAIT YES OR NO.

i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.
It is a contradictory statement.you should understand that if someone is an Avatar he is God.

He molested me is true. but when i registered there were two columns (first and last name and i simply filled those not knowing that they will be displayed.
I cannot clarify more than this.
i was a devotee from childhood and changed somwhre in the middle when i was in parthi.
but tell me how does this help in our discussion.
I have been telling you that i cannot endanger myself by revealing too much about myself, but you continue to ask me questions about myself.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:44 PM
"Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

but that's the most awful thing of all ,sexual abuse.
i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.
I'm just shocked that he molested you.
Could you please tell me what does "abused for 15 years" stand for in your user name on yahoo?
You were his devotee for 15 years despite the abuse or ...??
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:34 PM
Good that you replied.
Again you are talking of sexual abuse.Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

you say: "Whether he is God or not i don't know that either."

how can you sy that ? Do you know that murders took place there.
Then Will God (that too, a God who proclaims "My Life is my message")allow murders to take place and on top of it act as a negative "example" by not talking openly and clearly about it and clear all the doubts.

He never answers any question on the accusations that are directed at him.Is this the right example.If it is not HOW CAN SUCH A PERSON WHO PREACHES SOMETHING SO WRONG BE GOD.Will you still say there is a chance that he might be God???

Angel:"how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is."

But you can say he is not God because God is Truth,Love and fearlessness and a person who is not truthful can never be God. is it not?
Do we have to doubt God's qualities or should we change our idea of God to suit such a person like Sai baba???
To me,my God is good ,loving, truthful and never hypocratic.and I think it is be the same for everyone.
So even if baba, so to say, flies up in the sky,he will be a Ghost and not GOD.

"I'm just interested in some basic facts of your case so that i can get a better picture of how his abuse works and the profile of his victims."

I can give you a clear idea,without giving you my story.believing it or not, is your problem.Because even if i give you my story, you can decide not to believe it.

My whole family knows what happened to me .but only that i was abused.It is very embarrsing and too shocking.we don't talk about it.
and No I did not go to a psychiatrist.There are many boys who are still acting as though they are devotees because they don't have the courage to face the consequences both within their family and outside.Even I don't tell devotees that i am against baba when i meet some of them(occassionally I meet them).

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:05 PM
Please usedbybaba i answered to all of your questions,now it's your turn ,please answer mine!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:01 PM
"DIRECT ANSWER TO MY POINTED QUESTION.
If they say baba is god,Are they not morally resposible to prove it(If they don't try to prove it, they will be guilty of promoting a Cheat to millions of gullible people .I am ready to prove otherwise."

"AS mentioned above Angel has not replied clearly in any of his messagesabout my second question.(the first one was very easy)"


what answer i don't understand?
I'm answering to ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS!

how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is .I don't get what you're saying?
I'm trying to find that out,that's why i am here and i'm ready to hear you ,his sexual victim.

NO i certainly don't think he's God if he sexually abused you and if he's involved in that 1993 thing.No way.
That's the worst thing,to sexually exploit students and children in such way.I'm really sorry that he did that to you.
 
i saw the videos and yes it appears sometimes as he's holding or transferring something i admit,whether he's cheating or not that i don't know.


"should he not come out openly about the controversies surrounding him??"

YES HE SHOULD,he totally SHOULD!

 
I'm just interested in some basic facts of your case so that i can get a better picture of how his abuse works and the profile of his victims.

Could you please tell me what does "abused for 15 years" stand for in your user name on yahoo?
You were his devotee for 15 years despite the abuse or ...??
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Have you confided to anyone about this,to a psychiatrist maybe,your siblings?
Thanks!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 11:56 AM
This is what i wrote: Here is my prediction.Angel will not give a clear reply or keep quite for some time and Lisa or some one else will start calling me names.Or one of them will try divert the topic by answering the most silly points in my message.
So let them answer(only if they want to speak the truth) the question -

AS mentioned above Angel has not replied clearly in any of his messagesabout my second question.(the first one was very easy)

Now as i predicted earlier they will "keep quite for some time".that is this phase and as soon as i post this message they will start what i call my third prediction.

Now the third prediction "Angel will say he wants to know more about me though i have proved in my previous mail how useless it is going to be -because they can still say they need more proofand say that they cannot believe me and my stories.
OR LISA (maybe some one else) will pick the cue and call me names and then ask why should anyone answer me , a pervert ...... and so on.They might find another way to circumvent the discussion, but IT WILL NOT BE A DIRECT ANSWER TO MY POINTED QUESTION.
If they say baba is god,Are they not morally resposible to prove it(If they don't try to prove it, they will be guilty of promoting a Cheat to millions of gullible people .I am ready to prove otherwise.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 11:51 AM
"Do you still say that he maybe God?"


NO i certainly don't think he's God if he sexually abused you and if he's involved in that 1993 thing.No way.
That's the worst thing,to sexually exploit students and children in such way.I'm really sorry that he did that to you.

"Should he not give an interview to the press about what happend there?"

Yes he should, he's not above the law.


"My reporting about my abuse cannot be a point of discussion ,because you can say,you want more and more and more proof.Which may finally include physical marks"

oh don't worry i'm just intrested in some basic facts of your case so that i can get a better picture.

Could you please tell me what does "abused for 15 years" stand for in your user name on yahoo?
You were his devotee for 15 years despite the abuse or ...??
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Have you confided to anyone about this,to a psychiatrist maybe,your siblings?
Thanks!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 10:23 AM
My discussion is going to be "whether baba is God or not"
My reporting about my abuse cannot be a point of discussion ,because you can say,you want more and more and more proof.Which may finally include physical marks.Even if i prove that i was abused,you can decide not to belive it.it would become my word against Baba's or the word of any one of you.
but when i take a general topic,and still prove that he is not God or he is God,Is it not good enough?
we have enough in the things that we know.

you say :"I'm trying to figure that out.I don't really know"
Then let me ask you,: you know that murders took place there, and as a person setting an example with a statement like"my life is my message"
should he not come out openly about the controversies surrounding him??
Why is he silent on the murders?Should he not give an interview to the press about what happend there? Don't you think then he is right when he says My life is my message?
If he is not done anything wrong should he not come out in the open confidently.
IF HE DOES THAT HE DOES NOT NEED MIRACLES TO SAVE HIM. SO WHY CAN'T HE DO THAT ?
Do you still say that he maybe God?

"1.CAN BABA BE CALLED GOD BECAUSE HE MATERIALIZES THINGS IN FRONT OF SO MANY PEOPLE.
2.when he says "my life is my message".is he behaving as an example to any of us like an avatar should?"

1.No
2.I'm trying to figure that out.I don't really know,but it seems you do,so if he abused you please share right away...





Could you please explain what does abused for 15 years stand for in your user name?
You were his devotee for 15 years,despite him molesting you?
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
How long were you in his college?
how many years ?
How old were you when you started there and how old when you left?

why are you beating around the bush again?

i already told you i saw the videos and yes it appears sometimes as he's holding or transferring something i admit,whether he's cheating or not that i don't know.
Whether he is God or not i don't know that either.

I'm more concerned about the abuse allegations.
And here you are his direct sexually abused victim and i think it's only natural that i want to know about your case so that i could make sense of it.
I answered to you ,now it's time that you answer to me.You're completely anonymous.
This is a topic about SB and everything else that's related directly to him.

"What is that you want.why should you know about me ( i am sorry your quetioning makes me think ou have an agenda)I am sorry,you have not proved yoursef to be a sincere seeker of truth."

LOL are you serious,of course i have an agenda.To know the details of your case,just some simple things,most basic.You come here claiming to be his sex victim and you expect me to discuss some vids on exbaba.
What do you think it's more logical to discuss here,the general stuff which has been processed zillion times already ,exbaba and some vids we've seen for a million times or to hear the actual abuse victim share it's story.

These are all basic simple questions,so please share right away.

Could you please explain what does abused for 15 years stand for in your user name?
You were his devotee for 15 years,despite him molesting you?
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
How long were you in his college?
how many years ?
How old were you when you started there and how old when you left?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 09:35 AM
"Again you're pointing to those videos.And talking in general."
What is that you want.why should you know about me ( i am sorry your quetioning makes me think ou have an agenda)
Read the full thing and tell me with or without my contribution ,(from my experience )whether you have proof that he is God or not.but you say that i am talking general.If you cannot understand the logic in my writing,then nothing will.so forget the topic.I have written so much and you just write a sentence and want me to give you my details. That makes me suspicious. I am sorry,you have not proved yoursef to be a sincere seeker of truth.What if it is general? Disprove my argument and then we can go further.
Now,get into the discussion and don't give me the "maybe,hmmm" and all that.Say why you think that my point is right or wrong And don't keep quite and allow Lisa to change the topic by abusing me.IF YOU ARE A SINCERE SEEKER OF TRUTH AND NUETRAL ONE AT THAT, COME TO THE POINT.
How can you say he is God.If you sy you don't know,you are escaping he is either God Or a cheatHe cannot be both at the same time.Pick one and discuss and not keep asking me unrelated questions about me(because it is a general topic and it is not about me ) Don't say you do not want to discuss baba and then come to Lisa's rescue when I retaliate to her verbal abuse.As she abuses in her way , I do it in mine.If you do not want to know about baba you should not be in ,here, taking sides.Leave us alone.

you say "Again you're pointing to those videos" If you do not want to talk about videos and you do not want to go there to see for yourself then nobody can help you,assuming u want the truth.Then there is no reason that we should be talking.
Maybe some of the fanatics do not want a discussion.What about you? should you also act like them ?
I have been in parthi for too long and i can understand every single person's intentions on this board.
From now on i will ignore any question that is not related to the topic,
"is baba God?" but those who abuse me will get it back from me multi fold.
plus atleast a nugget about baba ,Incase some one gets the idea that they can divert my attention.
Here is my prediction.Angel will not give a clear reply or keep quite for some time and Lisa or some one else will start calling me names.Or one of them will try divert the topic by answering the most silly points in my message.
So let them answer(only if they want to speak the truth) the question -
1.CAN BABA BE CALLED GOD BECAUSE HE MATERIALIZES THINGS IN FRONT OF SO MANY PEOPLE.
2.when he says "my life is my message".is he behaving as an example to any of us like an avatar should?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 08:28 AM
"i remember because every word of the avatar was important to my ears.that is how you remember,is it not."

but after 20 years you remember his every word?
an all those sentences are kinky ,that's weird.
i don't understand how you can remember so much kinky sentences after 20 years.


Again you're pointing to those videos.And talking in general.

I'm more intersted in your case then about the general stuff.

Could you please explain what does abused for 15 years stand for in your user name?
You were his devotee for 15 years,despite him molesting you?
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
How long were you in his college?
how many years ?
How old were you when you started there and how old when you left?

Why sai baba is not GOD?

1.He started his so called mission by “materializations”
  Which has turned out to be pure cheating. What is the proof that he is cheating? –
. of course videosfor those who have not noticed it directly. So using Materializations to prove his Divinity is out of the .
   Question.
2. He says his life is his message.-Time and again he has been accused of Cheating ,
    Molesting, lying, and his materializations are proved fake. Now does this Man
   Wants us to believe that as God he is above scrutiny .
   With his life being his message, should he not be open to scrutiny. Does he mean
    that anyone , including criminals ,should follow his ‘message ‘ and refuse to be
    questioned. An accused rapist should go scoot free, if he has connections and as a follower of the ‘divine’ Avatar should be above scrutiny. After all his life is his message, is it not..
Should he not come out in the open about the June 3rd murders and set an example to others –after all his “life is his message”.
3. Should he not clarify why there are so many contradictions in his “life History” including his date of birth.
4.If his “life is his message”. Should he not tell the world how his brother’s family became so rich. Did he work in some IT company and give all the money to them.
5.Why is there a long chain of stores inside the ashram, Is God teaching business.?
    Of course , they get tax exemption. Then why are the goods as costly as you find it in other places.(do you know that part of this money is directly given to baba for his use)
All his so called Physical activities are ungodly activities, so does he want us to follow the LORD and make sure we also get away from the law ,unquestioned.

With no proof of extraordinary powers , He has only proved that he is a normal human being and a cheat.(If he is God then he is not proving it in his daily activities ,except proving otherwise.)
Now his so called omnipresence has not been proved to many of the devotees (who still come to him for his materializations and assumed good teachings.)
Those who claim to have experienced his grace are two kinds
1.When they prayed he has helped them.-My answer to this is—God responds when you pray to him in any form. Is it not a fact that God responds to Hindus, Christians and Muslims alike. Thou they pray to different Gods. He would respond even if you sincerely pray to a Car or tree. Because the divine power that is responding is inside us and once we have faith in anything that we worship ,miracles will happen. So why do we need to ‘donate’ this power to the so called Avatar and allow him to exploit us.
There are Billions of non devotees and anti babas who do not have the need to have him as their guide. Are they not living as happily as the so called devotees. It is the devotees who suffer, because they .cannot listen to their conscience but have to listen to their so called guru, who is expecting them to swallow any nonsense, including molestation and murder. Do we need such a God. There was a student who knew everything about baba .Though he knew baba was not divine, he prayed to baba’s form.. He told me, he is so used to it and he is not able to change himself.
I have also talked to people who say that they pray to their dead Grand fathesr or grand mothers. If it works for them do we say these dead people are God (some of these grand fathers and mothers would have themselves suffered a lot in life and maybe died of Cancer or some other disease. Then can we also worship them??

There are other devotees who say ,he showed his omnipresence, by telling them something only they know. My point is, many of these are tricks. For eg., he told a Professor that his right eye was more damaged than his left eye. The Prof. was so happy about it. The only lacuna is ,he wore a very thick glass on his right eye compared to his left .
There are times we also come across people who are naturally intuitive and are clairvoyants. We also get it sometimes. then Can we declare all these people as Gods.
THINK, BUDDIES THINK BEFORE YOU SACRIFICE YOUR LIFE FOR ANY JOKER.

i remember because every word of the avatar was important to my ears.that is how you remember,is it not.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 06:47 AM
usedbybaba

you've quoted what baba supposedly said in front of you for many times so far,it's always something naughty and sexual.
I'm just wondering how is it possible that after 20 years you remember exactly what he said,his exact words ,the sentence is always kinky and perverted in a way.
Like i said you've quoted him for at least 6 times so far.
That's kinda impossible,to remember what somebody told in front of you 20 years ago,especially 6 times or so.

Could you please explain what does abused for 15 years stand for in your user names?
You were his devotee for 15 years,despite him molesting you?
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
How long were you in his college?
how many years ?
How old were you when you started there and how old when you left?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 06:25 AM
Lisa:"And just WHERE was usedbybaba the last six years (hiding under a rock)? I guess we have to remind him the anti-Sais have been torturing people on the internet for the last five or six years and we can see what a monumental failure they are and continue to be."

Used:I know you are constipated and that is why you always think of rocks?? and your Guru always thinks of _ocks.
I thought you are cured .
Bad luck. Go directly to baba and tell him to help you.He is an expert in these things.But don't stop singing the "grapes and banana song".

Edited by author 10-15-2006 04:52 AM
When do Dadlani's lies stop? We have discussed the translation issue regarding Sai Baba several times on the other board (and the info is also on Joe's site) and Dadlani continues to lie about it. PERIOD. And speaking of lies, everything about Dadlani and his perversions is CLEARLY documented in Joe's site, saisathyasai.com. This is ANOTHER huge fabrication Dadlani keeps telling in order to deceive people.

So Dadlani, who always claims devotees are liars is now using ANOTHER Sai Baba devotee as a "reliable source" for his info on Idi Amin's alleged cannibalism! Pathetic! Make up your confused and warped mind Dadlani! Like I said, you use devotees as reliable sources to bash Baba but then claim they are liars regarding miraculous phenomena (even when there are CORROBORATING witnesses as to the events which is more than we can say for accusers). Please get some mental help Dadlani so you can see how idiotic, dishonest and irrational your position is.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 07:53 AM
See what I mean folks? The anti-Sais are ALL a bunch of warped game players and duffers with nothing better to do than whine on the internet.

Usedbybaba is SO arrogant and deluded he thinks he is going to bring Baba down while hiding and cowering behind anonymous usernames, talking like a pervert and threatening people on the internet! And just WHERE was usedbybaba the last six years (hiding under a rock)? I guess we have to remind him the anti-Sais have been torturing people on the internet for the last five or six years and we can see what a monumental failure they are and continue to be.

Two U.S. mayors (one who is a lawyer) of St. Louis
and Little Rock declared Sathya Sai Baba Days last year. Glad to see the legal pros are taking a stand against this cowardly and lawless form of tyranny the anti-Sais are fomenting.

Thankfully, we live in a democratic country that abides by the rule of LAW and the accused is considered INNOCENT until proven guilty in a court of law. Thankfully, liars like Sanjay Dadlani and usedbybaba know that they can only get away with their lies outside a courtroom as long as nobody sues them for libel. Someone should remind them both that David Icke pushed his luck like they are doing and is now begging for money due to being sued for libel. David Icke was so arrogant he even begged people to sue him! The powers that be will only tolerate so much arrogance.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 03:53 AM
LISA YOU CAN DO IT . PICK UP THE TUNE AND SING.YOU CAN DO IT BABY,YOU CAN DO IT. THE WORDINGS ARE RIGHT BELOW.
"baba grapes dhey,banana dhey, Anada dhey .. baba grapes dhey" Please all of you-- Sing with lot of devotion.After all it is about Divine grapes AND HIS BANANA .(tune is like sai prem dhey shanthi dhey Andand dhey)SING SING SING SING.DON'T STOP.SING ...... NOW RUN TO THE ....AND FINISH IT.YOUR CONSTIPATION IS GONE BY BABA'S GRACE.



.

I see you are still slopping around like a pervert usedbybaba. If this is your sober state of mind you DEFINITELY need a psychiatrist. Go whine to one of them. I'm tired of your childish whining. No ADULT man OR woman whines like you ya fraud. I know serious rape victims and they don't cower and whine like you ya pervert. And they don't hate their perps like you do. That's how I know for a FACT you are LYING.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 07:40 AM
ALWAYS gossiping like a girly girl aren't you usedbybaba aka lenin999? And you seem to be obsessed with your own homosexuality. I can only imagine what people who know you are saying about you.

I notice there is a lenin999 listed as a 27 year old male in England. Maybe you and dud boy have more in common than we think.

bozo queen has one more mail on nothing.
Lisa Go and drink toddy and sing Bhajans.
The one that i taught u .the grapes and banana song. sing it with as much devotion as possible.It will help you in your constipation.First start in low pitch and then reach the peak. see how it will miraculously clear your constipation.
then you can write about this new miracle in your "new Man of miracles"
What an Avatar. He clears constipations when you sincerely pray and sing his glory. Let me have the previlage of giving him the title "The Saviour of Constipates"

"Which classmates testify to his homosexuality and where? That would be a great find!"

some of my friends who met his uravakonda class mate (12 to 15 years ago )
told me about this then.it seems there was an old man who was baba's class mate and he told them that baba was a homo and he used to go around trying to find partners. The classmate was disgusted when he talked of baba.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 05:43 AM
What a bunch of bull. You whiners are pathetic. Usedbybaba is as much a provocateur and MORE and SO are YOU Dadlani so don't play the whiney victims with me ya con artists. One minute the dork is threatening me and the next he's whining like a crybaby. What a WIMP. And the pervert talks like a pervert without ANY provocation dumbo Dadlani. Funny that you think it is PERFECTLY ok that he is such a sewerbrain, but then we already know you are too so it doesn't surprise at all. Like you, he uses every excuse in the book to enable his perversion, Dadlani. You WON'T get away with it. I've had ENOUGH of your slop and sob.

Usedbybaba, you've already made a fool out of yourself and everytime you open your big mouth you do so even more. Talk on bozo the clown, I'm having fun watching you sink your own boat. As far as I'm concerned you are nothing but a cowardly con artist and you will pay the price for your lies in the not too distant future.

And sorry, usedbybaba but you and Dadlani et al are the ones with CLEARLY documented mental problems. My guess is that schizophrenia runs in your family as you seem to be VERY paranoid. So maybe you should go see a shrink. And if you are drinking that will certainly aggravate schizophrenic symptoms.

Angel,i am not saying they are lying or not lying. let me say i can't and my experience in parthi where i was betrayed by his lies, cannot make me believe even an iota of what these people say.
why bali? ,just a few days back a guy told me how baba used to jump from trees ,or ceiling in his house.how he gave this person so many things.etc.,
my suggestion to them is to go to a shrink (no offence) and check.May be a hypnotist can help.These are people who may be split personalities( iam not saying they are)but mere stories will not help.
I was a devotee from childhood and it never happened to me or anyone close to me.
It did not happen to any of my SSSIHL friends.Now how do you want me to believe this.To me it is just a waste of time.

Usedbybaba, I feel the same as you. No matter how much people may try to spin it, the fact remains is that for every 'positive' there is with Sai Baba, there are an equal amount (if not more) of 'negatives' too.

Thankfully some of us live in democratic countries that guarantee the right of Freedom of Speech. Similarly the Internet is largely uncensored and allows people a platform on which to make their views. As I said in a few messages back, the fact remains that Sai Baba is a public figure who has announced himself as being worthy of attention. Consequently he is going to get it whether he likes it or not, or whether his devotees like it or not. This goes for both positive and negative information.

People should learn to open their eyes. There are many sides to a story just as there are many sides to Sai Baba. It's about time people got used to the fact that Sai Baba is not liked and admired by everyone and that, no matter what, people are going to criticise him whether they know what they are talking about or not.

People should also learn to be intelligent. There is a vast amount of difference between blind critics and former devotees. The obvious advantage is that the latter group clearly know what they are talking about, having spent significant amounts of time in his following, visiting him, etc. It is upto people to exercise their discrimination in discerning the facts, and what we are doing is simply presenting the true facts as they are.

To repeat, people are just going to have to get used to the fact that not everyone will have a favourable view of Sai Baba and that no amount of yapping is going to convince them otherwise, which is especially true of former devotees. It is impossible to refute the claims of former devotees, they know what they are talking about. They have experiences, and they have stories to tell. Open your eyes and your ears. See and listen. And understand. Use your brains and think critically, don't accept blindly.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 11:03 PM
he appeared to people in their room at 3AM ,he told them to get up and go meditate,they were in Bali,they both saw him,husband and wife.They're not lying.
Something is not right here.
there are so many opposite experiences reported.I don't get it.

Beleive me ,I am not angry with any of you. I am getting the satisfaction of abusing the molester.For you it might be a waste of time and it should be ,but for me, I will stop only when I cry my heart out against baba.I hate it when people call this cheat an Avatar and i will one day prove that he is nothing but a scoundrel.The minute my heart tells me to stop i will and will not waste even a second more on this crap.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 10:47 PM
ok, sorry usedbybaba i was wrong,that was posted few years ago by Amen i found it.
anyway,this whole thing is such a waste of time & energy.
Hopefully ,time will tell what the truth is.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 10:22 PM
Sure go ahead, I'll be interested to hear.

I'll check out the reference to Sai Baba's classmate but I find it interesting that two of his deskmates reincarnated as dogs. :-)

Which classmates testify to his homosexuality and where? That would be a great find!

Angel,you also sound like baba.Maybe, you are baba posting from Ashanthi nilayam.

Lisa the molester devotee :"And once again I remind you that you just berated Angel on the other board for not having ever seen Baba yet you are making very stupid judgments about unseen people on message boards!
My question is- why shoud he discuss things about someone who he has not met? seen? or worshipped? and to top it all take sides.

"Lisa: Do they come any dumber than you?"
used: yes like you and your paid friends

Lisa: "You are beginning to sound more and more like a high school drop out!"
Used: I wish I was,Atleast I would have not been molested by your Sick Guru
by the way no highschool drop outs speak english in india, like your pathetic guru.
Sanjay, speaking of high school drop outs, Baba had a friend in school who was very "Close" to him and he committed sucide according to baba( the divine ,who could not save him).If you can check through your sources and find out if it was baba's first murder or something.
one more thing, many of his class mates who maybe alive even now, report that baba was a homo, even in his school days.

well Usedbybaba could be someone who was posting years ago under a diff. nick,it sounds just like him.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 09:53 PM
Sanjay I want to tell you some thing and that is why i am checking whether you received my mail or not.As soon as you confirm, i will post my next mail to you and it might be very interesting.

Shut up Angelic, Amen's writing is there in the other forum for some time and you know that , go look into "My topic" and get into the one that i am talking about. when you cannot fight me directy you surreptiously use my quote to provoke the others and act like a coward.
I read that mail and i was upset for some time and you sadistic ******* make a joke out of that.
You call me pervert when i use exactly the expression of baba.So YOUR GOD IS THE PERVERT.He openly talks of the third leg etc., He once told a boy
""nee moodow kaalni erra kodathaanu" Meaning, I will break your third leg.WHO ?? YOUR GOD ofcourse.you worship a pervet and don't call others a pervert. There was another time he looked at kasthuri's son leaning on the second pillar in the portico and said 'Move a little, see there is a small hole on the pillar. I think your fart on it"
So it is your God who speaks like a pervert and those who continue to worship him, knowing fully well that he is a pervert are the ones who are perverts.
What latest out burst??.It is an anger that is inside me and AS I TOLD YOU I WILL CALL BABA NAMES. It was i who has experienced your divine master's molestation and not you. i cannot go to courts and this the only way i can take my revenge for destroying my life.Go get screwed by some one and then try to talk normally.
"a guy who enjoys making up and posting perverse stories for little kids to see??????????"
like your baba you are also behind kids.grow up.Why should i be nice to paid servents of baba.
If you don't like it get out.
I did not speak about any of you but the MOLESTER and world class HOMO.I know what i am doing is absolutely right.If i write about baba it is perversion and if you call me Amen it is not??? you sadist.Hey Sanjay ,Logical reasoning and talk will not help with these paid ones.
I am not going to stop my funny stories mingled with truths that i know of baba.Who are these peopel to say that i should not call bab a names.Did they rescue me when i was suffering in parthi, and on top of that they abuse me.
To reiterate what i said earlier, he would suddenly get up and 'miraculously' walk one day to show people that he can cure himself in a jiffy and then you will see how these paid ones will rejoice.
I care very little or nothing about their opinions.They keep telling that baba appeared here and there. Tell him to appear now in front of me.I will show him how to cut his twig.B*****d.This charlaten is destroying lives after lives and we have to worship him.
His brother ,janakiramiah,used to use foul language right in front of him.
Such foul language, that no one can stand near him whenhe does that.
He used the divine holy words "dengu" veeri pukka'etc. so often that a single glimpse will show what type of family he and his molester brother belonged to.
you paid devotees, i will show the world who your master is???
I AM NOT HERE TO DISCUSS philosophy of baba but facts that i know by my own experience and i care a foot, whether some paid fellow believes me or not.

Kristijan, I've caught up with the past messages and I believe that you are wrong. Usedbybaba is not posting as that "American woman", as she has been posting on that forum for a long time already. The particular message he quoted was written on 15th February 2005. As for John Walton being molested by Sai Baba, I have never heard of him. A lot of men abuse and rape women claiming that Sai Baba told them to do it, and there are even reports that he has "psychically" raped women in the ashram.

Usedbybaba, I also agree that Sai Baba is lying. We already know that he can stand (for a small amount of time) and that he does not need to be limited to his wheelchair all the time. I am also expecting a sudden "miracle cure" where he will stand up and pretend that everything is fine. In fact, I recently heard from a (brainwashed) Sai devotee who said that Sai Baba's current troubles are because he is "taking on someone's really strong karma." I just left because there is no point in talking to such stupid people who would believe anything that helps them justify their belief in an ailing deva.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 08:56 PM
Kristijan, sorry, like I said I'm not even following the fight, I don't even know who John Walton is. If he's wrong then he's wrong, if you're wrong then you're wrong. I'm just calling things as I see it. Sorry, I'm just trying to stick to Sai Baba here.

Usedbybaba sorry, I am just catching up on all that I've missed here. Yes I did receive your email but it didn't come through because it got caught in the spam filter. I will access the account on the web in a minute to read what you wrote and reply to it. Sorry for taking so long.

By the way, I was wrong! :-)

Kasturi's 'Sathyam Sivam Sundaram' (Volume 1) was not released in 1960.

It was, in fact, released on 23rd November 1961. :-)

This means that he had no less than three years to correct his text about the alleged scorpion bite, even after Puttaparthi Raju publicly denied the event of a scorpion bite in a discourse in 1958. Oh dearie me! :-)

Edited by author 10-14-2006 08:42 PM
"He was provoked into doing what he did "

but what about his latest outburst of perversion ?
was it also provoked??
he was provoked into writing that hideously perverted story about John Walton's wife?
and that's a supposed molestation victim of SB.
a guy who enjoys making up and posting perverse stories for little kids to see??????????

Re /m451:

"latest post from usedbybaba the"American lady",says otherwise,it can't get any worse then that."

Kristijan, I'm not getting involved in what I see as your childish pick'n'mix fight with Usedbybaba. I am just calling things as I see it. He was provoked into doing what he did and I think it is unfair that you, Lisa, Moreno and all are all torturing him about his behaviour when the behaviour of poiting-finger individuals is itself questionable. I am here to discuss Sai Baba. What's the matter? Has sathyasaibaba2 got boring or something?

"I already told you i don't read your blog ,nor your Shirdi posts..i honestly don't.Just occasionally i catch a glimpse and read it if it's not too long,otherwise i don't."

That's your problem then, not mine. You are the one missing out on scandalous exposés that completely prove that Sai Baba is a fraud, a fake and a liar.. I can't help noticing the discrepancy that arises when you swallow everything that is pro-Sai and give scant attention to any anti-Sai writings, no matter how reasonable it may be. This is clear burial of heads in the sand. But anyway, whatever floats your boat...

"I say nothing about the irreverent and irrelevant behaviour of Simon Brace, Lisa De Witt and Gerald Moreno."

they're not posting perversions and stuff of that nature. they're exposing you and other Sai critics.They think it's fair since you and others expose SB. why would i say anything?"

You know, you've got a real cheek with all this talk of "exposing" me when there is nothing to expose. And for the record, they are posting perversions. Of course you will not notice how they are the ones continually talking of Jesus sex crap, street bitches, homosexual brotherhood and whatever other fetid crap that comes out of their brains.

I like the way you copy their justifications exactly, thinking that they have a right to "expose" me when I am exposing Sai Baba. You clearly haven't understood that Sai Baba is in a major league that warrants attention and is going to get it whether he likes it or not. The point here is how you have nothing ast all to say about the thoroughly reprehensible behaviour of the 'three stooges' yet yourself indulge in finger-pointing fights with Usedbybaba. Like I said, I think this is a clear case of double standards. It's clear that Sai Baba devotees like you and the rest of them have no interest in critical thinking and discussion of Sai Baba, which is what all these forums were created for. It must be a nice life swallowing all the rubbish that comes from the Puttaparthi Propaganda Machine. I should know, I spent 10 years doing that.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 08:30 PM
/m481 /m482

Lisa Keeps On Lying :-)

"We've ALREADY discussed that some transcripts have translation problems. Dadlani is playing mind games again trying to distract from this fact."

We have not discussed the alleged translation problems of transcripts. Lisa De Witt has not responded to my point about why she screams about alleged problems evey time something is highlighted that proves Puttaparthi Raju as a shameless liar.

Furthermore, it is open knowledge that discourse transcripts are checked personally by Puttaparthi Raju before publication, and that every book sold in his ashram bookshop is done with his express permission. Tough beans. This is not to say that printing errors etc do not occur - of course they do - but since Sai Baba personally checks each and every discourse transcript and gives permission for it to be sold, why haven't these "mistakes" been corrected?

Only a dumb braindead zombie like Lisa De Witt continues to dribble endlessly about "translation problems2 whenever her faggot guru is proven to be a liar.

"Kasturi's book wasn't about Idi Amin. It was about Baba. Why put negativity where it is not needed?"

Is Lisa THICK or something?

Who said that Kasturi's book was about Amin? The fact remains that Sai Baba met Idi Amin and this is a recorded fact in his biography, period. End of discussion, as your friend Homoreno loves to say. That should put paid to some of the lies put out by your folks that the two didn't meet.

"Baba went to Uganda and did what he could do to change the situation and warned people when he saw Amin was not going to change his ways"

Yet even a smart person like Paul Holbach (who, by the way, presented some great rationalistic critiques of Sai Baba way before the allegations ever came out, showing that his critiques are "existential" and are largely untouched by sexual abuse controversies) noted the following:

"Sai Baba has stated to have come for 'the destruction of the evil-doers, for the re-establishment of righteousness, etc...'; then how to explain that, despite the direct intervention of the Supreme Embodiment of God, the only direct intervention ever made by Sai Baba, Idi Amin could have been free to do what he has done? And why so many others, some even worse than him, were free to act and grow old without troubles? Is this the way Sai Baba thinks to re-establish the righteousness worldwide?"

Tough beans.


"Why didn't Krishna stop the war that MILLIONS were killed in dumbo Dadlani? How many times do we have to keep repeating ourselves because YOU are SO dumb, hypocritical and intellectually dishonest, Dadlani?"

You are clearly an ignoramus. Don't you know what your own faggot guru has said? Here, let me enlighten your tiny peabrain:

"Let me tell you that emphatic declarations of the truth by Avathars were made so clearly and so unmistakably only by Krishna. In spite of the declaration, you will notice in the career of the same Krishna that he underwent defeat in his efforts and endeavors, on a few occasions; you must also note that those defeats too were part of the drama that he had planned and that he himself directed. For example, when many kings pleaded with him to avert the war with the Kauravas, he confessed that his mission to the Kaurava Court for ensuring peace had 'failed'! But, he had not willed that it should succeed! He had decided that war would be waged! His mission was intended to publish the greed and iniquity of the Kauravas and to condemn them before the whole world." - Source

For the record, your faggotface friend Gerald Homoreno got his butt kicked twice on this same subject. Do us all a favour and read up on your homoguru's teachings instead of humiliating yourself as an ignoramus in public. It's getting old.

"There is no proof Amin was into cannibalism. WE all know how Dadlani thrives on sensationalism and lies like they are manna from heaven."

The references to Idi Amin's taste for human headskins and raw brains comes from the Sai Baba book 'When God Walks The Earth' by Jack Shemesh. Typical, you don't know what you are talking about again.


"Likewise, when are you going to ask Sanjay to quit abusing people, hypocrite and whiner usedbybaba? Maybe when you bozos start acting like adults and take responsibility for your lies and hypocrisy you will be treated as such."

The record (on all forums including this one) clearly shows Lisa De Witt as an abuser, hypocrite, slanderer, defamer, and liar ad infinitum. Even without provocation, no less! I have attempted to discuss these issues in a calm and rational manner as I always do, but do not expect me to act nicely with people who insist on spitting in my face for no reason at all.

If you don't behave, you'll get a kick up the butt. Considering that Sai devotees are getting thoroughly thrashed here with 'philosophical' and 'historical' butt-kicks, it's no surprise when they get behavioural but-kicks as well. Get used to it.

"which has far exceeded anything that anti-Sai critics have done?"


latest post from usedbybaba the"American lady",says otherwise,it can't get any worse then that.


I already told you i don't read your blog ,nor your Shirdi posts..i honestly don't.Just occasionally i catch a glimpse and read it if it's not too long,otherwise i don't.


"say nothing about the irreverent and irrelevant behaviour of Simon Brace, Lisa De Witt and Gerald Moreno."


they're not posting perversions and stuff of that nature.
they're exposing you and other Sai critics.They think it's fair since you and others expose SB.
why would i say anything?

Re /m479:

"Wahhhhhh? I don't embrace perversion and deviance. I personally didn't like your streetbitches blog...i thought it was distasteful ,disrespectful and GROSSSSS."

Pardon me? My Streetbitches blog? You actually believe Moreno's foolish speculations and lies? Shame on you. I suppose you think that he has "proof" as well?

And as for your embrace of perversions and deviancies, I admit that it was a tongue-in-cheek comment to UsedByBaba. However, I find it extremely interesting how you enjoy engaging in a protracted fight with him (even now) about his "foul language" and "irrelevant gossip" when you sit back and say nothing about the irreverent and irrelevant behaviour of Simon Brace, Lisa De Witt and Gerald Moreno. It looks like a clear case of double standards to me. How come you have nothing to say about the behaviour of these three, which as far exceeded anything that anti-Sai critics have done?

By the way, I notice that you have nothing to say about the recent 'Shirdi Lies' expose either. Tough beans, Sai Baba's empire will come crashing down since it was all built on this Shirdi pronouncement. Wanna know something else? Puttaparthi Raju also wore a locket of Shirdi Sai Baba's around his neck when he was a schoolboy. :-)

Re /m478:

"i knew about that since like 1992 or something,what are you just now discovering these things? i thought you were en expert on SB. LOL"

What exactly do you find so funny? And what makes you think I am discovering this now? Because you are unfamiliar with these issues and you don't know know what I'm trying to get at, you didn't know that some devotees (perhaps De Witt and Gerald Moreno) are attmpting to peddle the lie that Sai Baba never met Idi Amin.

Good for you that you knew this since 1992. That means you worship a homosexual paedophile who met with a murderous cannibalistic dictator who proceeded to murder 300,000 of his own people and didn't lift a finger to prevent any of it.

the story was written by him,it's obvious.

I think it's funny that the supposedly "college educated" usedbybaba believes a story written by a person who is OBVIOUSLY mentally disturbed and sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic! Pathetic! Are you this dumb all the time usedbybaba?
And once again I remind you that you just berated Angel on
the other board for not having ever seen Baba yet you are making very stupid judgments about unseen people on message boards!

Do they come any dumber than you?

You are beginning to sound more and more like a high school drop out!

what a waste of time.

"your mind is so perverted it's unbelievable.
It's full of filth.Your behavior disgusts me."
So does yours when you call a lady victim "Amen" pervert.

your mind is so perverted it's unbelievable.
It's full of filth.
Your behavior disgusts me.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 01:30 PM
I have a strong doubt.I feel babas legs are O.k but he is acting.Wait for the day when he would suddenly get up and walk making people believe that he has cured himself.trust me he is going to do that.Sanjay believe me he has done this before.To raise the morale of his fanatic troops he is doing this.

My other funny view. Maybe some one bit his twig and it is really paining so much that the pain is shooting down the other leg.Maybe he has sent his people to find out the missing piece of twig,and after getting it back he will call his doctors and then wave his hand and materialise his
thing and tell them to fix it with "fevicol" or some other gum.
Then start his daily exercise again "pumping,pumping,pumping,pumping.

maybe it has worn out. now he does not know how to pee.
After all he has a super speciality hospital where they can fix him with a donkey's thing. Less wear and tear.When he is excited it will reach out to any one in front of him. Then he can learn to wave the thing and materialise vibhuthi.NO NEED TO USE HIS HAND, but again he has a problem.He cannot go near Sai Geetha his elephant.She will think her partner has come to mate and she might land on baba's lap.One more problem,he has to depute a sevadal to carry"It" when he walks around during dharshan or put "It" over his shoulder like a towel.
Baba is so good at things that he might even use his large new "fitting" to drink milk,Coffee,Tea.
After that we can send donkeys to suck (bite) his thing instead of young boys.Both will enjoy.
JOKES APART,BELIEVE ME BABA WILL GET UP AND WALK AGAIN INTRODUCING ANOTHER MIRACLE TO HIS BOOK OF LIES

Edited by author 10-14-2006 01:03 PM
usedbybaba wrote:
"I just read this mail from the other quick topic forum from a woman called amen.So sad. She has given her husbands' name and other details .It is really sad.May God help her through this trauma.She will get over her pain for sure by GOD"S grace.HOw can there be such bastards who are escaping the gallows.Read it, you will understand her pain(of course not the paid ones)
 "I am a woman from America who has decided to speak out against Sai Baba and any other who advocates opening a woman's first, ie sexual chakra through penetration into the sacred womb of woman's life. My husband, John Walton, held the theory that any woman who suffered from a blocked first chakra could automatically be cured by this sick approach. He had a guide named Hinono given to him by Sai Baba, and together the three of them made mince meat of me and my desire for truth, monogamy and woman's search for life. Many of the women he slept with claimed they too heard Sai Baba tell them it must be done. Later, they used the excuse that it was being done for my healing alone, as I would not submit to this vile rape and incest of all that was really God. So one day when I was at my lowest ebb, Sai Baba came to me and forced raped me anally. Thereafter, I was raped repeatedly and tormented on the psychic plane for many, many years. I was nearly made insane and I nearly died. I couldn't even eat. I know killing me was their combined evil desire. I have found ways on the psychic plane to fight him back, and am grateful this vicious and Satanic man is finally being rid off our precious Mother Earth. I know who I am spiritually and Sai Baba now has no power over me. I want to tell you all not to be afraid. I work with a large group of women who know how to undo his evil rituals performed by him and primarily Kumar. They are all liars and do indeed know what is going on."

____________________

This tops it all.
This "American woman" writes and sounds exactly like you.
It's now official, you're a p*****.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 10:07 AM
I just read this mail from the other quick topic forum from a woman called amen.So sad. She has given her husbands' name and other details .It is really sad.May God help her through this trauma.She will get over her pain for sure by GOD"S grace.HOw can there be such bastards who are escaping the gallows.Read it, you will understand her pain(of course not the paid ones)
 "I am a woman from America who has decided to speak out against Sai Baba and any other who advocates opening a woman's first, ie sexual chakra through penetration into the sacred womb of woman's life. My husband, John Walton, held the theory that any woman who suffered from a blocked first chakra could automatically be cured by this sick approach. He had a guide named Hinono given to him by Sai Baba, and together the three of them made mince meat of me and my desire for truth, monogamy and woman's search for life. Many of the women he slept with claimed they too heard Sai Baba tell them it must be done. Later, they used the excuse that it was being done for my healing alone, as I would not submit to this vile rape and incest of all that was really God. So one day when I was at my lowest ebb, Sai Baba came to me and forced raped me anally. Thereafter, I was raped repeatedly and tormented on the psychic plane for many, many years. I was nearly made insane and I nearly died. I couldn't even eat. I know killing me was their combined evil desire. I have found ways on the psychic plane to fight him back, and am grateful this vicious and Satanic man is finally being rid off our precious Mother Earth. I know who I am spiritually and Sai Baba now has no power over me. I want to tell you all not to be afraid. I work with a large group of women who know how to undo his evil rituals performed by him and primarily Kumar. They are all liars and do indeed know what is going on.

bits and pieces man Angel.Don't pick parts and put them in.and try to divert the attention from baba like Lisa .here is your quote from my mail "ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth"
What was the context.you asked me whether I discuss sex in matrimonial columns, sites. I was angry and i told you the above. later you acted as though you understood what i said and now stooping so low you quote from that.
This sample is enough for your accusations.
What is your profession? you answer me.Don't tell me that you are into this forum for fun .Then don't take sides.
Now i know that you are so angry and ready to give me back mmm.

Guys i will not stop talking about baba in the most derogative words.I will also keep posting on whatever information i have on parthi.These pro baba's have motivated me so much that i think i have to post more on baba
and not answer the "paid ones"

Let us ask some basic questions?
1.Why did Dr.Bhagavantham and his sons leave baba?
2.Dr.Sudharshan left baba and got married very late.
  He was a person who slept in the cold sands of brindawan just to gain
  baba's love and baba destroyed him slowly.Such is his selfishness.People like Dr.sudarshan cannot tell anyone about any of these things,because no one is going to believe them.They will end up making a fool of themselves,because the BaBa phenomenon has grown for nearly 70 years and many people are entwined by this. So these victims follow the Philosophy
of"IF you cannot fight them,join them." So many of my friends told me that it is a waste of time to fight against baba for he is too big. If we do it we will end up like those who were murdered there and went out from people's memory without a trace.He has people all over ,paid people.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 09:25 AM
bits and pieces man Angel.Don't pick parts and put them in.and try to divert the attention from baba like Lisa .here is your quote from my mail "ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth"
What was the context.you asked me whether I discuss sex in matrimonial columns, sites. I was angry as we indians consider marriage sacred and i told you the above. later you acted as though you understood what i said and now stooping so low to you quote from that.
This sample is enough for your accusations.
What is your profession? you answer me.Don't tell me that you are into this forum for fun .Then don't take sides.
Now i know that you are so angry and ready to give me back mmm.

Guys i will not stop talking about baba in the most derogatively.I will also keep posting on whatever information i have on parthi.These pro baba's have motivated me so much that i think i have to post more on baba
and not answer the "paid ones"

Let us ask some basic questions?
1.Why did Dr.Bhagavantham and his sons leave baba?
2.Dr.Sudharshan left baba and got married very late.
  He was a person who slept in the cold sands of brindawan just to gain
  baba's love and baba destroyed him slowly.Such is his selfishness.People like Dr.sudarshan cannot tell anyone about any of these things,because no one is going to believe them.They will end up making a fool of themselves,because the BaBa phenomenon has grown for nearly 70 years and many people are entwined by this. So these victims follow the Philosophy
of"IF you cannot fight them,join them." So many of my friends told me that it is a waste of time to fight against baba for he is too big. If we do it we will end up like those who were murdered there and went out from people's memory without a trace.He has people all over ,paid people.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 07:12 AM
--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
> ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth.
> You don't have to tell them about the other similar discussions that
> you had with joe 108.His wife may not like it.you are a very naughty
> girl.




--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
>
> who is premanand?
> by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole.
> you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. u must have molested

your brother or father and blamed them for this
> Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA.I can write worse than this and i am

capable of doing more, u shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth.Maybe you eat through your

bottom.
> You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying. You bi''**h
> Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine.
> tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did

ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth.
> If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I remember people for life and don't take me for

granted.
> BAS****D




--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
>
> sob sob sob sob sob.If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you. Go and

taste baba's linga . or rathnakar maybe.it is free .They told me he is divorced.Is it true? if it is true

you can get married to him. try him he is only in his thirties unlike BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who

is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know .maybe he will adjust it when he knows he is

going to die to suit the stories that he told.
>
> by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the third leg. we know of Siva's third eye what is the third

leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy.
>



--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, <conscientiousobjector2000@...> wrote:
> > "You still haven't explained why you think God
> > NEEDS a blow job "




> --- usedbybaba <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
    Because you have been doing it to him for such
> > a long time he wanted
> > everyone to do it,your way.Addict baba



--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, "usedbybaba" <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
> The only difference between homousedbybaba and hetrousedbybaba is If
> i was a Homo I would have used baba, and as a hetro I would maybe
> use you hmmm yuck no no nooooooooooo.I am running for cover.Sorry I
> forogt you are an Animal lover.


> --- usedbybaba <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
"I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha,Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any

message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do...I am smiling. blah blah blah

LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha

ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "

_____________________

"Animal lover"???????

so ,now your promoting bestiality????
where's the limit to your perversions???
Does it ever end?

Edited by author 10-14-2006 07:21 AM
/m486

Are you ALWAYS this immature, babaabuser? I don't believe you are in your 40s. You act like a five year old. Pathetic and childish. How did you get to be so dumb?

We can all see too clearly how intelligent you aren't.

I thought you are attracted to men like a normal woman.Now u suddenly talk about girls.. ???
why is it the baba disease???
"I've heard you like to abuse women "
So you like men who abuse men like your BABA
Do you like tetotlers like baba or are you interested to know about people who are alchoholic like you???.I heard you drink to the brim and sing sai bhajans and then serve Toddy to all the devotees, sick Divine

Who taught you to be such a girly gossip usedbybaba? You sound like an immature girly girl the way you run your sleazy mouth all the time.

Speaking of gossip, I've heard you like to abuse women and are an alcoholic who can't keep a steady job (probably because you run your gossipy mouth so much and nobody likes you).

So why don't you tell us why you believed Baba was God? I haven't heard anything convincing out of you yet.

The sick licksa again rambles.
Sanjay you know why baba does not leave India? Because he knows he will be caught red handed cheating his miracles.
and maybe he would be arrested if he goes to U.S.,now with all the sex scandels.
Lisa is talking of the Indian politicians and Govt. supporting BABa the molester,but what abot the U.S govt.'s warning to those Americans who come to India and want to see the Cheat.
As an Incarnation should he not clear the doubts of his devotees??
One more thing Sanjay Did you get my mail that i sent to your gmail id 20 or 25 days back ?

Edited by author 10-14-2006 04:10 AM
Sanjay :"Contrary to what some zombie dumbloons assert, Sathya Sai Baba did meet with Idi Amin during the former's one and only trip abroad to Africa in 1968. Amin later seized power in a bloody coup and is believed to have ordered the murder of an estimated 300,000 Ugandan citizens and expelling thousands of Asians (Indians) out of Uganda. That is, when he was not openly indulging in his cannibalistic habit of gorging on human headskins and raw brains which he had declared to be his favourite food!"

As a student i used to wonder why my divine baba met a murderer.Now as a non devotee I know he was pure stupid.
By the way Dr.Patel's two grand children (now must be in their thirties (Kush Patel and Raj Patel studied in Parthi secondry school.
Most of those who were "used" belonged to Kush patel's batch and the next few batches.
The later batches were alerted by their seniors'experience.Though the numbers reduced,it did not stop.

/m469

Likewise, when are you going to ask Sanjay to quit abusing people, hypocrite and whiner usedbybaba? Maybe when you bozos start acting like adults and take responsibility for your lies and hypocrisy you will be treated as such. Funny that you are so blind that you cannot see how immature or drunk you are acting.

And I do remember you making insults WAY before anyone said anything to you. Your ridiculous comments about people having sex, remember hypocrite? How easily you forget your own abusive posts.

Practice before precept bozo.

Edited by author 11-07-2006 03:40 AM
/m470, /m471

We've ALREADY discussed that some transcripts have translation problems. Dadlani is playing mind games again trying to distract from this fact.

Smart people don't play mind games and lie the way you do usedbybaba. You and Sanjay together are producing more ad hominem attacks than either you hypocritical bozos can probably count.

I wouldn't even venture to say you are clever either. A smart adult doesn't think sex with God will purify him. A smart adult doesnt hide behind numerous usernames and then lie about it.
You are a legend in your own mind usedbybaba. If your ego gets any bigger you may not be able to fit through the door.

/m478, /m477

Especially disturbing since I have written about Idi Amin before and Dadlani is still trying to lie about it out of desperation. Kasturi's book wasn't about Idi Amin. It was about Baba. Why put negativity where it is not needed? Baba went to Uganda and did what he could do to change the situation and warned people when he saw Amin was not going to change his ways (kind of like Dadlani the Terrible who would rather look at jesus porn and stalk women with his camera and post disgusting garbage about them on his pervert blog...see /m272).
Why didn't Krishna stop the war that MILLIONS were killed in dumbo Dadlani? How many times do we have to keep repeating ourselves because YOU are SO dumb, hypocritical and intellectually dishonest, Dadlani?
Your lying and whining is getting VERY old, Dadlani. It's the same TRASH over and over again with you. Better change your evil ways or your karma's gonna hit you in the head one of these days.

BTW, Dadlani forgets to tell people that Idi Amin was eventually chased out (perfect karma) of Uganda and was on the run for years (and had to hide out in Libya...where anti-Sai, Duncan Roads is friends with Libyan leader, Gaddafi who helped Amin...and then Saudi Arabia) before he died. There is no proof Amin was into cannibalism. WE all know how Dadlani thrives on sensationalism and lies like they are manna from heaven. Talk about dishonesty and lack of historical objectivity. Dadlani takes the cake. Dadlani is a real duffer who thinks everyone is as dumb as he is.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 12:07 AM
"I deliberately did not bother about the singulars and plurals in my so called details.
I WILL NEVER GIVE THE DETAILS

your assumptions will only make you look stupid."
_________________

wahhhhhhhhh?

you said enough.
you gave SB a blow job "FEW TIMES" and you touched his and he touched yours for "many more times"
that's enough for me to know.





"I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha,Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do...I am smiling. blah blah blah LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "
________________________

And for God's sake stop laughing,there's nothing funny about sexual abuse.
GEEEEZ

Edited by author 10-14-2006 01:04 PM
"And there is no use in asking Angelic what he thinks about Lisa's own behaviour etc. These people are just partisan and biased in favour of Sai Baba, openly worshippping him and being his devotees so they are unfair and have double standards. They just embrace each other's perversions and deviancies "

Wahhhhhh?
I don't embrace perversion and deviance.
I personally didn't like your streetbitches blog...i thought it was distasteful ,disrespectful and GROSSSSS.

"Just look at this recent Idi Amin thing. They didn't even know that Sai Baba had met Idi Amin! Now I don't have to scan that photo after all since Kasturi just verified their meeting for me. :-)"


i knew about that since like 1992 or something,what are you just now discovering these things?
i thought you were en expert on SB.
LOL

"That's all Kasturi had to say about Sai Baba and Idi Amin. When we consider that Kasturi's work has been written after that Amin committed his massacres and his misfacts, one has to say that this biography is a clear example of historical objectivity and impartiality in the recording of facts the way they had really happened... However, and evidently Kasturi seems not to have noticed it, the 'blessings and counsels' and the 'vision of His Glory' have been quite effective, since shortly after this 'august and Divine Encounter' with Sai Baba, Idi Amin expelled all the Asians, put his Country down on knees and killed and tortured almost 300.000 peoples. Not so bad indeed."

"I've read that SB would have gone to Uganda to protect the big Hindu community which was living there. That didn't help much, since in 1972 Idi Amin expelled all Asians, Hindus included, from Uganda. And anyway, if ever this hypothesis were true, it would remain to explain this: Sai Baba has stated to have come for 'the destruction of the evil-doers, for the re-establishment of righteousness, etc...'; then how to explain that, despite the direct intervention of the Supreme Embodiment of God, the only direct intervention ever made by Sai Baba, Idi Amin could have been free to do what he has done? And why so many others, some even worse than him, were free to act and grow old without troubles? Is this the way Sai Baba thinks to re-establish the righteousness worldwide?"

- Paul Holbach

"Real devoteed never venture into abusive language.They try to discuss."

I have offered them the chance many times to stop insulting and discuss properly, but they refuse to do so. All of them. They love to abuse so that is why they do it. They disobey Sai Baba and don't follow his teachings, but they want to defend him and pretend to be devotees anyway. They can't defend Sai Baba so they abuse us instead.

Just look at this recent Idi Amin thing. They didn't even know that Sai Baba had met Idi Amin! Now I don't have to scan that photo after all since Kasturi just verified their meeting for me. :-)

And just for a laugh, here is the reference:

"Baba's Presence at Kampala was utilised by many for receiving Blessings and Counsel. The High Commissioner of India, Shri K.P.R. Singh, the Chief of Staff of the Uganda Army, General Idi Amin, the Minister of Defence, Mr. Onama, the Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Mr. Ojira, the Minister of Internal Affairs, Mr. Bataringaya, the Inspector of Police, Mr. Oryema, and other African leaders met Him at Dr. Patel's residence and obtained a glimpse of the Glory of Baba." - SSS Vol 3, 'The Awakening Continent'

Edited by author 10-13-2006 11:21 PM
 "They can't defend Sai baba to save their lives so they just talk crap instead.

Real devoteed never venture into abusive language.They try to discuss.
If they cannot they diappear to keep their faith intact.
THESE ARE PAID MERCINARIES

OFCOURSE SHE IS STUPID.STUPID IS AN EUPHEMISM FOR BRAIN DEAD HERE

Edited by author 10-13-2006 11:09 PM
For the record, and for all their talk about 'UsedByBaba's' "foul language" and "potty mouth", they conveniently forget that UsedByBaba was provoked by Lisa De Witt, just as she provokes everybody else.

And there is no use in asking Angelic what he thinks about Lisa's own behaviour etc. These people are just partisan and biased in favour of Sai Baba, openly worshippping him and being his devotees so they are unfair and have double standards. They just embrace each other's perversions and deviancies as if they were normalcy, yet obsessively pick over the real or imgined faults of everyone else all in a bid to obfuscate the discussion away from Sai Baba.

We must try not to fall for the trick and keep to our discussions on Sai Baba. When we don't post on other forums (like sathyasaibaba2) they obsessively follow us here and harass everyone with their foul abuses, irrelevant dribbling and ad-hominem attacks. They can't defend Sai baba to save their lives so they just talk crap instead.

"1000 times more INTELLIGENT "than lisa
i have not clerly given details and assuming that u have all the details by just reading or copy pasting will not help.I deliberately did not bother about the singulars and plurals in my so called details.
I WILL NEVER GIVE THE DETAILS

your assumptions will only make you look stupid.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 11:02 PM

Is Lisa STUPID?

Questioning the official transcripts of the discourses? Tsk tsk. This info is in the SSSBPT site as a PDF file, and it is also in my own edition of 'Sathya Sai Speaks' Volume 1.

Isn't it funny how blind and brainwashed Sai devotees always doubt those sayings which put Sai Baba into trouble? Funnily enough, we are not talking about Sai Baba's contradictions here (which he always makes anyway) but as far as anyone is concerned, this is just a simple discourse where Sai Baba is telling a biographical fact about his own life. Trouble? Not to worry! Throw it into doubt! 'Tis a translation mistake!

Sai Baba devotees are not only pseudo-intellectual but also intellectually dishonest. According to them, Sai Baba's entire canon of discourses muyst be dumped in the garbage bin because they may all contain translation mistakes whenever someone makes a (documented) point that exposes Raju for the lame fraud that he is.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 11:13 PM
Angel"i like to know what's happening with Sb,"

Used"But you talk only about us and you wrote you are not intrested inknowing about baba , Mandir etc.,Do you remember?

Angel:"look ,the only thing i pointed out is that some of your posts have been written in hideously perverted style".

I ahve not written any thing in my recent mails after my outburst when she called me a pervert.Then how come you lead everyone to this again and again?
How is that Lisa's abuses Don't appear bad to you??ARe they holy??
You go out of the way to search for my posts and do the cut and post job,precisely when I ask Lisa not to abuse,suggesting, u(me)too abuse??
You know very well I have not abused her for a long time now,then why are you so interested in reverting back??
You had no qualms when she kept abusing me in the beginning when i started writing,not knowing who is lisa or anyone else?
You waited for me to blow my top and now you are using it to help others(or is it helping you??) to attack me.
Asking her to write civilly is wrong is it??
Then do have a vested interest in making this forum continue to be an abusive one????

Is Lisa BLIND?

I already said that a photo exists of Sai Baba and Idi Amin, bozo. Unlike you I don't rely on the Puttaparthi Propaganda Machine to arm myself with facts, I rely on the reports in a book that was published at the time.

Just wait till I find it, I'll scan the pic of Amin and Sai Baba. :-)

Edited by author 10-13-2006 10:51 PM
anywayyyyyy,why did you MR.("believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN" )as an adult give sb a blow job?

WHY SHOULD AN AND 1000 TIMES LESS INTELLIGENT PERSON SPEND SO MUCH TIME IN THE NET TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HE DAS NOT EVEN SEEN???? AND HAVE A FEMALE NAME ????
Why should he/she ask leading questions that help one group to abuse others????
What are you benefits ??
Are a part of this fanatic gang? Why should Lisa and others be mollycoddling you when you are supposed to be neutral?

Why do you refuse to talk about baba but jump to give one liners about.
people?

By the way I have not given clear details about how he used me and using my writings on myself will not make me come out with the details about myslef.
you should know when ? how many times? and how ? i was molested? for you to conclude.
I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha
I survived in parthi with baba and all others are next to nothing compared to BABA THE BASTARD

so don't waste your time,here with your leading intelligent ??? one liners
(Planning how to attack smoothly??)
__________________

I'm not asking you details because you already gave me details.

You said you gave him a blow job for a FEW TIMES and touched his thing for "many more times",that's enough.

I'm just WONDERING since you CLAIM to BE "1000 times more INTELLIGENT",why on earth did you,such super intelligent Indian ,why did you as an adult give SB a blow job,returned and gave him a blow job AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.




whyyyyyyyyyyy?


"I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha"

why are you laughing?there's nothing funny about sexual abuse.
your "HEHEH AHAHA ha aha ha ,I'm enjoying this"
comments are weird and kinda inappropriate in such serious discussionnnnn.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 10:41 PM
anywayyyyyy,why did you MR.("believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN" )as an adult give sb a blow job?

WHY SHOULD AN 1000 TIMES LESS INTELLIGENT PERSON SPEND SO MUCH TIME IN THE NET TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HE DAS NOT EVEN SEEN???? AND HAVE A FEMALE NAME ????
Why should he/she ask leading questions that help one group to abuse others????
What are your benefits ??
Are a part of this fanatic gang? Why should Lisa and others be mollycoddling you when you are supposed to be neutral?

Why do you refuse to talk about baba but jump to give one liners about.
people?

By the way I have not given clear details about how he used me and using my writings on myself will not make me come out with the details about myslef.
you should know when ? how many times? and how ? i was molested? for you to conclude.
I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha
I survived in parthi with baba and all others are next to nothing compared to BABA THE BASTARD

so don't waste your time,here with your leading intelligent ??? one liners
(Planning how to attack smoothly??)

look ,the only thing i pointed out is that some of your posts have been written in hideously perverted style.
That's all.

For all i know you could be telling the truth

And I'm not obsessed ...i just have some free time and i like to know what's happening with Sb, I've known about him since 1990,it's not an obsession,it's just my interest.
I've answered your questions.
















"HERE IS SOME MORE HELP ANGEL
IF YOU ARE AS SINCERE AS YOU TRY TO SHOW TO BE, ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT I RAISED:
AND THAT WAS TO YOU

Just answer these
1. When baba made me do the blow job. i was confused and slowly understood that he was a homo.For that matter he did not want me to write to him as Sai Mother.
____________

ok.

2.Will you allow it to happen to you or your kith and kin
_____________
no.

3.All the names mentioned in ex.baba .com of the student victims are 100% true
4.i lived with these guys.Nithyanand menon was a malayalee warden
   Radhakrishnanan who died on the june 6th incident had a brother calle ravishankar and they are from ooty.
5.Diwakar muthukrishna the person who molested small boys is now married to
   radhakrishna's sister and he is the adopted on of Dr.Kamla.his parents are from srilanka and australia (one from each country.
_______________
ok.


6.with so much you still want to believe that iam a lier.
_______________
i'm saying you could be just about anyone.I have no idea,but thanx for sharing your traumatic experince ,perhaps it'll help some people.


7.Who else you want to know about.
8.What about Aswath narayana the jeweller from Anantapur.

________________
okaaaaaaaay.


 
The fact is I have gone through these experiences and none of you have including thse from ex.baba
Let us not be blind to the facts.
tell me u have not answered my first question
why is babas date of birth wrong in his school records.
_____________________

i have no idea.

_______________________

i don't think you will give me any logical answer, afterall iam not your brother.
go close topeople who have sufferd and then talk.
Atleast iam able to mail people.
Hundreds have suffered because of his sexual exploits and nobody who has not experienced it can ever ever deny it.
The pain i went through when i read some articles, irememberd my suffering.
Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible. i was trying to justify it for a long time. but my consience did not permit it.
Hey i recently met a jeweller who told me tha a close devotee of baba bought a lot of jewels from his shop a few years back before going to parthi
____________________

"believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN (no offence meant towards other nationals)."



"Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible"
______________________



I can see that you're intelligent,you're really smart and stuff .


so ,anywayyyyyy,why did you MR.("believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN" )as an adult give sb a blow job?

if it was horrible and you are intelligent as you say,why then ,after that first nauseating as you say ,horrible experience,of giving a blow job to an old man at the time you were an adult,why did you return and gave that kinda old man a "blow job" few more times,why did you MR.("1000 times more intelligent") do it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN?
and if it was so horrible and nauseating,why did you touch his thing for "many more times" also?

















????

Edited by author 10-20-2007 07:53 AM
Usedbybaba (why do I have to repeat this AGAIN if you supposedly have a college education?), I WANT people to know that I am a REAL molestation victim who has the EXPERIENCE to back up my OPINION. I do NOT believe you are. I do NOT believe you reacted in the manner an ADULT would react if they were molested by Sai Baba. PERIOD. Whine all you want about it. You sound jealous. Grow up and quit trying to distract from the issues with your incessant whining. It's getting VERY OLD.

Are you ALWAYS so whiney?

Edited by author 10-26-2006 09:30 PM
/m455

So Sanjay is using one of those transcripts from 1958 which may contain translation mistakes. Any first grader can deduce that there is OBVIOUSLY a translation error.

Ask hypocrite Sanjay why he is not so picky about his anti-Sai buddies who contradict their stories when there is NO translation discrepancy? In other words, his buddies are out right liars but he could care less. Given Sanjay's track record for fibbing, this does not surprise me.

I could care less whether you believe I was molested or not.
Ho DO YOU THINK WE CARE ANYTHING ABOUT A PAID RAMBLLER.
BUT THE POINT IS YOU REPEAT THIS MOLESTATION THING AS THOUHGH IT IS AN ACHIEVEMENT. You don't need to be a victim to understand other victims,All you u need is a heart.NONE OF YOU SICK ONES HAVE IT.Other wise why should you make money using other people's life.

Madam bah blah = Answer my question you ******* Are you a woman?
  How much are you paid for becoming Licksa ?
  What is your (Pretext) job?
  

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you ignore evrything that i ask and you want me to answer your question. Answer my questions and don't try to help the fanatics attack all the anti sais.
  Tell me WHY ARE YOU OBSSED WITH THIS GROUP WHEN YOU HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN BABA????
  why do you always ask directing questions,obviously wanting the fanatics to take the cue??
  what happend to Sai bab discussion???
   
  Tell me the truth ,Areyou also the paid for doing this???
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Edited by author 03-02-2008 12:22 AM
/m458

Sanjay is trying to mislead people once again (as USUAL), or is he just a dumbloon? The public documentation shows VERY clearly that Sai Baba met with a GROUP of people, one of whom was a devotee. That person was Idi Amin's DOCTOR, by the name of Patel and was the reason Sai Baba went to Africa in the first place to warn Patel to LEAVE. Patel did not heed Sai Baba's warning and barely escaped with his life after Amin kicked all Indians out of the country.

This is the PERECT example as to how Sanjay's criminal mind works to package and distort information.


Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:44 PM
Contrary to what some zombie dumbloons assert, Sathya Sai Baba did meet with Idi Amin during the former's one and only trip abroad to Africa in 1968. Amin later seized power in a bloody coup and is believed to have ordered the murder of an estimated 300,000 Ugandan citizens and expelling thousands of Asians (Indians) out of Uganda. That is, when he was not openly indulging in his cannibalistic habit of gorging on human headskins and raw brains which he had declared to be his favourite food!

Proof? They posed for a photo. :-)

In 1968, Amin was a Chief of Staff and had not yet seized power. He met Sathya Sai baba and posed for a photo along with two (or more) of his wives.

I need to find that book with the picture in it, just so I can scan it and put it on my blog. :-) It's not looking good, ya know! :-)

/m455: Ha ha ha ha, I can't believe this. Lisa De Witt is actually questioning my sources in message /m451! LOL this is gonna be easy since it is already typed out on my blog.

Here is the reference for Sai Baba's authorising Kasturi:

"He placed his hand on my shoulder. He stood facing me. I could see my image in those eyes. 'Have the wedding at Puttaparthi. Come and tell me whatever you need. And.... after retiring from the University, stay with me. You can write my Jiva Charithra, Biography,' He said. 'Me?' I ejaculated.
"'Yes I shall tell you whom to consult for details - parents, brothers, kinsmen, neighbours, teachers etc. I shall also help.'" - Loving God, p. 89. (Kasturi's own autobiography)

Here is the reference where Sai Baba stated in public that there was no scorpion bite:

"You might have heard some people say that I became Sai Baba when a scorpion stung me! Well, I challenge any one of you to get stung by scorpions and transform yourself into Sai Baba. No, the scorpion had nothing to do with it! In fact, there was no scorpion at all!" - 23 February 1958

And here is Kasturi dozily referring to the scorpion bite in the first volume of Sathyam Sivam Sundaram, published a mere two years later:

"On March 8th, 1940, the whole town was shocked to hear that a big black scorpion had stung Sathya. There is a belief current in Uravakonda and the surrounding country that no one will survive a snakebite or scorpion sting in the place, because of the many-hooded serpent stone that has given the name to the place. The rock looks as if a serpent has raised its head to strike its poison fangs and hence, the dread superstition has gained currency. It was about seven o'clock, at dusk, and Sathya leaped with a shriek, holding the right toe!"

Lol.

Lisa, stop trying to change the subject when you have run out of arguments or coherent points to make. Whenever you have a lack of argument, you inevitably start with the ad-hominem attacks and personal below-the-belt stuff like the uncivilised person you are. Your sordid history is well known. And by the way, stop talking about "stalking women" etc when you have no proof to support that claim. And before you go off into a frenzy quoting Homoreno, he ha sno proof to support his claims either. Not that it is relevant to Sai Baba but it doesn't harm to distract the discussion, does it? :-)

Why are you sticking your nose into my business, what does it matter to you if I have a girlfriend or a wife or whatnot? Concentrate on your own love life and dildo games with your lesbian partner and keep your nose out of mine, thanks. Yes, we know that you are a lesbian.

I already stated that the source of my claim is Howard Levin himself. Clearly you have reading problems or you just didn't pick up on it. Got a problem? Talk to Levin. He should know what he's talking about, he wrote it all down in one of those annoying things called 'books'. :-) Of course I could provide you with direct quotes but hey, I'm in a lazy mood tonight.

You are obviously dumb when you are not braindead. Sai Baba is a public figure who has publicly advertised himself as an incarnation of God, the saviour of the world, gonna sort out all the problems, etc etc etc. Consequently he is going to be the object of attention which will be positive and negative. He is the founder of a New Religious Movement (NRM) and that is why he gets attention. Get that fact into your brain and then come back when you have something interesting to say. Check under your pillow before you go to sleep tonight, honey...

/m451

Sanjay, since you post no references regarding your claims, one can only assume you are twisting the truth as usual and have something to hide.
Anyone who knows how you operate knows they cannot trust anything you say.
If you want to nitpick and be a drama queen, join the circus where you belong.

Sanjay why are you such a busybody sticking your nose into everyone's business? Because you don't have a life of your own and cannot get a girlfriend? Save the phony "I care for my fellow man" tosh for someone who doesn't know what a sleazy pervert you are. Stalking women and posting sleaze about them (like "They want it" and other more x-rated and disgusting trash) on a blog is NOT a humanitarian project. Stalking Sai Baba and other humans is NOT a humanitarian project.

You are obviously so desperate and bored with your own dysfunctional life you have gone on another childish nitpicking campaign.

Thankfully I saw the light and I was rescued from the ocean of muck that I was in as a Sai devotee. And because I care about my fellow men, I try to do the same to current devotees and extend them a hand so that they can raise themselves out of said mucky ocean. Unfortunately the vast majority of them are ungrateful tosspots who spit in return.

I don't care about Filipino healers, ha ha ha, what is this? Conman Convention? Sai Baba has no recognised medical qualifications to perform any kind of medical treatment or "purificatory treatment" on mouths, anuses and genitals. Especially when his "patients" (like our own favourite Morono) testify that they have no clue what he is doing. Think about it, this old faggot feels you up and you let him do it? What drugs are you on?

And you are wrong again about Sharada Devi. She wanted to leave the ashram to see her husband and aksed Raju's permission to do so. Instead of "lovingly" and "sweetly" giving her the permission, he proceeded to 'bark' at her, telling her that her husband was a dog with seven girlfriends and that she should be the eighth. Needless to say, she wept her eyes out at this rough treatment.

Ah yes, and let's not forget that Raju "lovingly" wondered why she wasn't dead yet. Such loving compassion and grace from the living avatar! It's unbelievable! We are fortunate to witness these bountiful acts of grace and expose them on our blogs! :-)

Edited by author 10-20-2007 08:00 AM
/m450, /m446

I guess Sanjay forgets he was one of those devotees who makes stupid statements yet accuses others of doing the same while he STILL hypocritically engages in the same stupidity. Funny that he is too blind too see this.

I did NOT contradict myself you buffoon. Read it AGAIN. I said I do NOT believe Sai Baba does oilings on ANYONE UNDER 18. Why are you so dense?

So, Phillipine psychic healers don't hold medical degrees and they do healings. If India has no laws against it, which it appears they don't you are blowing hot air as usual.

Sharada Devi left her husband after her children died and he swindled her out of her money. She was not with Sathya Sai Baba at the time.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:10 PM
Dear Braindead Dumbloons, :-)

In 1948, Puttaparthi Raju fully authorised Narayana Kasturi to write his biography. Raju specifically granted Kasturi exclusive access to himself, his parents, friends, kinsfolk, villagers and so on to garner material. Kasturi published the first volume of 'Sathyam Sivam Sundaram' in 1960, a full twelve years after the project was inaugurated.

Kasturi would doubtless have heard about the "scorpion bite" incident and may well have been exposed to the peoples' theories and speculations about how the scorpion bite caused Raju to become "Sai Baba".

Not to worry! In a public discourse in 1958, Raju confirmed that there was no scorpion at all, and even challenged people to be bitten by scorpions and become Sai Babas of their own.

That should clear up everything, right?

WRONG!

Two years later in 1960, Kasturi published the book that continues to mislead people into thinking that Puttaparthi Raju was bitten by a scorpion on the night of 4th March 1943, not 8th March 1940 as Kasturi couldn't even get his facts right on that one either. Sai Baba told his own sister that he was bitten by a socrpion, who wrote it down in her own diary.

Think about that one before you go to sleep tonight, dumbloons. :-) And check under your pillow for scorpions and spiders and snakes. We wouldn't want to start off another serpentine rumour, would we? ;-)

[Edit: See /m457 for references.]

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:44 PM
Re /m448: "There is absolutely NO proof the genital oilings are what you are babbling about."

We know that already, dumbloon. It is the pseudo-intellectual "devotees" on your side who are peddling the lies about genital oilings/fondlings as being some kind of "purification" or other. Don't even bother trying to deny this, this is documented everywhere and is not based on rumours and hearsay, unbelievable liar.

"Like I said before ADULTS KNOW the difference between love, or healing and SEXUAL assault dumbo. Even a CHILD can understand the difference so these must be some VERY dumb men. If you can't understand the difference you need a lot of help. The FACT that these ADULTS are making claims DECADES later suddenly claiming they realized they were "molested" is extremely suspicious."

Like I said before, it is the least of our problems whether Sai Baba is indulging in a "loving" act or a "sexually abusive" act. The fact remains that he does not hold any medical or any other type of qualifications that endow him with the right to perform any of these treatments. The simple fact that his victims (sorry, patients cough cough) invariably do not even know what he is doing is proof enough that they have little or no control over the situation.

"I believe the FACTS reveal that Baba does not EVER do oilings on anyone under 18 and that when he does do an oiling it is below the navel and ABOVE the pubic area."

You are not in possession of any facts. What do you know about Sai Baba and his interviewees? Have you been present at every single interview or every single oiling? No you haven't. You have never had an interview so you are not in the possession of any "facts". Keep your opinions to yourself.

Secondly, you similarly do not know for sure if the oilings take place between the navel and the pubis. Many people have experienced this, devotees and non-devotees alike. Do you even know that Arthur Hillcoat was allegedly healed of his hernia by the application of oil on his genitals by Sai Baba? It does not matter if he is under or over 18, the fact is that your guru is a faggot and fondles genitals.

You contradicted yourself in the same sentence you braindead dork. In the same sentence you vehemently claim that he does not do oilings and that if he does, it takes place between the navel and the pubis. Make up your mind, lunatic, does he oil/fondle genitals or NOT? Or the men in white coats are coming after you. :-)

"Many healers, including ME use oil which may be placed anywhere from the stomach to the head. Massage therapists also massage every part of the body. It's perverts like you who try to make it something it isn't."

You are not a healer, you are a liar. And it's brainwashed perverts like you who glorify oral sex, anal sex and genital fondlings/oilings as some sort of "divine act" that effects "purification" in the recipient. Who cares what massage therapists do? Is Sai Baba a massage therapist now? What business does Sai Baba have touching private and intimate places of young males?

And above all,

how come females do not get the oil treatment? :-)