Edited by author 10-20-2006 11:57 AM
Edward, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself. You are a liar, an embellisher and a self-righteous hypocrite. Once again, where is the proof that Sathya Sai Baba is a sexual abuser of "little children"? Where are all the court cases? Where are all the police complaints? Where are all the affidavits? Where are all the parent's defending their "little children"?

You may want to justify your choice of words by resorting to semantics, however, the term "little children" is factually inaccurate. There were only two 16 year olds who were non-sexually oiled and ALL other alleged victims were over 18 years of age and adults. If you want to call teenagers and adults "little children", that is your choice. A choice that proves you do not care for facts or the truth and that you have some sort of agenda to push (which appears to be a Christian one). Take your unconscionable lies up with your Bible, your conscience and your sleep.

Once again, show me the proof.

Joe, as if it makes a blind bit of difference to get into semantics over the definition of children. If enough people say that he is a sexual abuser then that is good reason to stay away and keep your guard up. I can't see how you can have any advantage when you are defending someone who stands charged with very serious accusations such as this. And then there is the idea that he is God! Do you think in your own heart that God would sexually abuse little children when Jesus said in the Bible that children are pure, and that the Kingdom of God is made up of such as them? I don't know how you can stand up in defence of someone who takes away the innocence of children or YOUTHS as you differentiate. This is unconscionable. I hope you can sleep at night.

Edited by author 10-20-2006 02:08 AM
Usedbybaba, if you want to sue Baba in Indian court to prove he is a fraud, go for it. How come you bozos haven't tried it yet? Are you scared you will lose? You claim to have all this evidence yet here you are whining on the internet like a five year old. Like I said, fraud is a very easy thing to prove yet you cowards are still on the internet after six years babbling and whining like idiots!

And you are so dumb as not to see how illogical this looks to people who actually have brains! You demand proof yet you are unwilling to prove your sordid accusations. How hypocritical you are, con man!

Edward, the only people who are proven to be under the influence are the anti-Sais, many of whom have long histories of alcohol/drug abuse and their irratic behavior on the internet seems to be part of that continuing drama. Unlike you we actually did our research and have VERY good arguments as to how we have come to the conclusion that this smear campaign is just that. Shame on you if you are a US citizen who doesn't believe in the legal system. Don't cry to me if you are ever accused of molestation by anonymous people and it is smeared all over the internet for the whole world to see even though you have never been convicted of a crime.

Usedbybaba, you are nothing but a hypocrite asking people for proof of things when cowardly you can't even prove you went to Sai Baba's college OR your name! And YOU are the abuser buddy. You lie about others, you talk like a disgusting pervert and then blame other people for your sewerbrain!
YOU were the FIRST to start with the abuse by lying about Baba and others. If you don't want to be called a liar prove your baloney in court. Until then your very inconsistent statements are considered lies and that is why you avoid the courtroom like the plague.

And then to top it off you are using other usernames to hide behind while you spout your foul poisons! Nobody is so dumb as not to see Om Sai is YOU!
You are like a worm who thinks he is worming his way out of the mess he is in.

Like I said, you are too dumb to have been in Sai Baba's college. That in itself is proof enough that you are a liar.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 09:27 PM
"Edward, show me the proof? I demand the same evidence you would demand if YOU were accused of pedophilia and raping children. And name ONE non-anonymous case where Sathya Sai Baba has been accused of raping "children".

GIVE US A PROOF THAT HE IS GOD. GIVE US A PROOF THAT YOU ARE NOT BEING PAID FOR YOUR WORK HERE,GIVE US PROOF THAT BABA IS NOT A PEDOPHILE.

A PROOF IS SOMETHING IRREFUTABLE,LIKE THE GRAVITY.IF YOU DROP SOMTHING IT WOULD FALL DOWN.
i TALKD ABOUT SO MANY THINGS LIKE "MY LIFE IS MY MESAGE " ETC., BUT ALL YOU WANT IS TO ABUSE AND SEND HATE MAILS AND PROVOKE PEOPLE.MY FIRST MAILS WERE NOTHING BUT INNOCENT FACTS BUT YOU AND LISA AND THE SO CALLED SIMON DID NOTHING BUT ABUSE.YOU ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ME AND I REALISED THAT NEITHER YOU NOR I CAN PROVE EITHER WAY.SO WHEN I TOOK A GENERAL TOPIC, YOU KEPT QUITE, WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO BREAK THE THREAD OF MY ARGUMENT AND THEN AGAIN WENT BACK TO CALLING ME A NAMES.
ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTION.
IF BABA IS GOD WHY DID HE NOT FOLLOW THE LAW IN THE MURDER CASE/
HE TOLD US HE IS OUR EXAMPLE.
ASSUME I WAS NOT ABUSED AND I AM LIER AND I BAD MOUTH PEOPLE AND ALL THAT .
BUT YOU SAY THAT YOU NEED PROOF .I SAY GOD IS NOT A HYPOCRATE. If he says His life is his message he would behave like a real example.

BTW,by informed i meant that you know what other swamis say and stuff.I dunno i kinda expected you'd be repulsed by gurus and swamis in general.
SO,what did you do in Parthi for 15 years.Education for 15 years or ...?
You don't need to give years.
Just in general ,what did you do there?Why were you there for so long?

Angel"You seem very well informed".
But you are interested only in my sexual abuse right.

re /m620
"usedbybaba", if you are SO truthful, why don't you provide any evidence that I am making money off my website? After all, you are the one harping about your honesty, truthfulness and integrity. What proof do you have that I am making money from my sites?

You are a liar, a pervert and a deviant, with proof. I can back it up as well: Reference. You call other "whores" and "hookers" with no proof either. You are unbelievable and no one believes you.

re /m622
Edward said:

Joe108, what drugs are you on? How can you defend an exposed pedophile who has raped children? Open your eyes and let the light of God shine in them, not the fake fraud Sathya Sai Baba. Open your heart too.

Edward, show me the proof? I demand the same evidence you would demand if YOU were accused of pedophilia and raping children. And name ONE non-anonymous case where Sathya Sai Baba has been accused of raping "children".

As I stated on my site: Anti-Sai Activists wage an unremitting smear campaign against Sathya Sai Baba that accuses him of "serial pedophilia" and the sexual abuse of "boys" and "children". These comments are fallacious, unsustantiated and wholly misleading. "Pedophilia" is the sexual abuse or exploitation of a boy, girl or child 12/13 years of age or younger (Ref). There are no testimonies from boys, children or parents of children that support the erroneous claim that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile/paedophile who engaged in sexual interactions with children. As a matter of fact, the youngest, non-anonymous testimony came from a 16 years old teenager (Jed Geyerhahn) who claimed he received a non-sexual "oiling". This once again goes to show how those inimical towards Sathya Sai Baba resort to cheap propaganda and blatant disinformation because the truth simply does not argue in their favor.

Where is your proof, Edward? Where are you getting your information from?

http://www.saisathyasai.com/

Edited by author 10-19-2006 03:50 PM
/m266
Josephine, I think you should view the new facts regarding Alaya Rahm, the primary "witness" in the BBC Documentary, "Secret Swami". After reading these articles, let me know if you have not changed your mind and why:

- Withheld Facts In The Secret Swami
- Alaya Rahm - Testimonies Against Sathya Sai Baba
- Alaya Rahm's Self-Dismissed Lawsuit

Alaya is not credible.

ubb,
It seems you're still interested in other gurus & swamis and their views on things,you seem to be influenced by their teachings and stuff...it's surprising considering you were sexually abused by one.
You seem very well informed.




"You say that there is a chance that one of was hallucinating .Me or the other devotee friends of yours. Now are you not confused"
_________

No i said i don't think that was the case.


ubb,
what were you doing in Parthi for so long ,more then 15 years you said??

I saw the BBC movie about Sathya Sai Baba and I liked it a lot. It was very informative and helped me to come to my conclusions about Baba. I don't think it matters anymore because the testimonies of sexual abuse were very telling and made a great impact on me.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 01:02 PM
You say that there is a chance that one of was hallucinating .Me or the other devotee friends of yours. Now are you not confused.. You have not seen Baba but has developed a sort of attachment ,Which I call devotion. I was devotee from child hood hearing stories of his Divinity and miracles. I then go to parthi and hear stories of students and lecturers who sacrificed to become close to baba. I was pig headed. Why, because there is an unknown desire in many human beings to be on the side of God and be called by him or talk to him or talk to his messenger. Maybe, the same feeling one gets when one feels that he is a fan of a great Actor or Singer or politician.
Every one of us want to be recognized .Now if we are recognized by God will it not be great. We hope someone is a very revered person and hope that this person has a solution to all our doubts. We need approval from this person for whatever decision that we are making .We would prefer it directly but satisfy his other than “physical” answer, because we have no choice. That is the reason for my not changing myself from a devotee to a non devotee and that is the same reason that some people hallucinate and “get the divine approval” .
To tell you in the words of Swami Ramana Maharishi “ Advita ,Dwaitha and vishitadwitha are all, right, but they are different stages in a person’s spiritual progress.

Meaning you are a spark of the Divine and if you want to see anyone as divine you will see that person as divine, for it is the desire of the person who wanted to see it that way and he/she is after all GOD (who does not know that he/she is divine).

Read books on the subconscious mind and its powers and you may be able to correlate.


Now seeing the sucess of baba,There are many more Avatars and Gurus.For eg. Mata Amritanandamayi inKerala,Bangaru Adigalar and Shiv shankar Baba and Kalki Bhagavan ( the Avatar of this Kalki era)who all have strong force of devotees from Actors to Politicians to scientists to boast of.
Now who is the real guru or Avatar.The unifying factor is that they are all Millionares within a short period. To me they are all nothing but businees people who understood the need for a "GOD SERVICE" and they filled the vacuam and are making money.Unlike people like Raman Maharishi who wore only a loin cloth and Sri Ramakrishanparama hamsa who lived a life of devotion and poverty.

"can you see the blank page below? that was my mail"
no i can't.

even i can't see now. i think you have to go to your in box and open an old message and then come from there.It was the 615 or the 616 message or somwhere there.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 12:22 PM
i mean i have not abused anyone in that post.It is a very long thing an i cannot write again.I 'll anyhow try when i am in mood to write.
Angel,Please go ahead and be a devotee.This is not a sarcastic sentence.I mean it .If it helps you you can be a devotee.Ramakrishna paramahamsa the great guru of Swami vivekananda said that even if you believe a theif to be god and sincerely pray to him,your prayers will be answered.In this case,all you have to do is notto hear what we anti sai's are saying except the advice "don't go to parthi, and don't give your money as donation".
if you go there you might get caught and a donation is for the baba not God