Seems Lisa is a perfect example for a Sai follower. But I know plenty who are revolted that his name is associated with her. I have found a blog about her, which - even if by her enemy - makes for interesting reading.
See http://saibabaexposed.blogspot.com/2006/05...n-lisa-de-witt.html Hi there, folks, use you own wits... not de Witts!

Edited by author 05-31-2006 06:17 AM
What'd I say folks? It's Dadlani the pervert (or one of his partners in crime like Reinier van der Sandt) playing his usual childish mindgames. What would the anti-Sais do without all their mindgames? Would they just roll over and die from no attention? That's ok bozo, most of the stuff documented on your gang of creeps is for CRIMINAL and /or VERY perverted behavior. Maybe you need to wash your brain out too since you are consorting with the lowest of the low, coward. I wonder how the ex-premies feel about a wacko like you pretending to be in their camp. Especially when you are hanging out with Dadlani the jesus porn freako.

Funny that the anti-Sais feel free to slander and slur anyone they may and then whine like crybabies when the DOCUMENTED TRUTH is told about them. That's why they avoid the courtroom like it's the plague.
And poor Reinier van der Sandt has to hide behind anonymous names like "ex-premie" because he is afraid to show his mug in public.

http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.c...-van-der-sandt.html

http://sanjaydadlaniexposed.blogspot.com/2...een-porn-child.html

Namaste,
>
> I don't believe sb is a great anti Christ, he's too insignificant,
> but he does fit the bill for the minor anti Christs mentioned in
> the NT...the deceivers...Tony
>
>
> He follows up by stating that this falling away will immediately
> precede or be accompanied by the revealing of "the Man of Sin,"
also
> called "the Son of Perdition" (v. 3) and "the Lawless One" (v 8).
> The Man of Sin is portrayed by Paul in this passage as a personal
> entity, not a government or organization. This one is widely
equated
> with the Antichrist spoken of by John, as well as "the Beast"
> mentioned in the book of Revelation (Rev. 11:7; 13:1-6; 19:19-20).
>
> Paul tells us that the Man of Sin will "oppose and exalt himself
> above ALL that is called God or that is worshiped" (v. 4). This
> would include not only the one true God, but all other "gods and
> lords" (cf. 1 Cor. 8:5) as well. These "gods and lords" are the
gods
> (Heb. 'elohim) of the nations (Deu. 6:14; 31:16; Jdg. 2:11-13; II
> Kings 18:33-35; Zep. 2:11), the ruling angels of the heavenly
divine
> council.
>
> Paul then tells us that the Man of Sin will "sit as God in the
> Temple of God, showing himself that he is God." The Greek verb
> apodeiknunta ("showing") literally means "to demonstrate, prove or
> proclaim" something. Paul says that the reason the Man of Sin does
> this is to prove TO HIMSELF that he is God.
>
> To understand why this act would demonstrate to the Man of Sin
that
> he is greater than all other divine beings, we must determine what
> Paul meant by the Man of Sin sitting in the Temple of God. How
> should we understand this statement? Is it figurative or literal?
>
> If Paul intended it to be figurative, what would the Temple of God
> represent? In another of his letters, Paul speaks of the body of a
> believer being the Temple of God because the Holy Spirit dwells
> within it (1 Cor. 3:16-17; 1 Cor. 6:19). Similar references in the

Namaste,

sb sits in the mandir claiming to be the Father of Jesus, Allah and
all the names of God. Yet he is a pedophile, murderer, embezzler,
criminal conjurer--------a man of sin, claiming to be God....Tony

Edited by author 05-31-2006 08:35 PM
Re /m113: Thanks, ex-premie, for your compliments.
Re /m114: Given that several different people we posting here before I/we came along and are still posting/reading this board, why do I have to respond to asinine accusations of posting under false names when I have my own? For the record, I am not ex-premie. With all due respect to ex-premie, the term 'ex-premie' is used by former followers of Guru Maharajji. I have no connection with Guru Maharajji or his movement whatsoever.

Re /m112: The idea that the boy in question (see 'Suffer The Children Unto Sai Baba') may have suffered from cystic fibrosis does not stand as a form of proof. Since Lisa "Warrior Princess" has no access to medical records of the boy in question or his mother (who was also abused as a child by Sai Baba along with her brother), it is unreasonable to expect that Sai Baba violently beat a three-year-old child under the premise of "healing" him of alleged cystic fibrosis. By the same token, we can also believe that Sai Baba touches, rubs oil on and orally sucks the genitals of many men and young boys for the purpose of raising their kundalinis as many devotees would have us believe.

These comments in particular are most disturbing:

"The little boy Dadlani whines about most likely had cystic fibrosis...

"Funny thing about the anti-Sais, they complain about people being abused but the people they babble about aren't complaining. You don't see this little boy complaining now do you? The anti-Sais only feed you selectively the part of the picture the want you to see. They don't want you to see the truth."

Pardon me, but I find it a humanistic duty to "whine" in protest when a 25/26 year old boy (Sai Baba) needless and violently beats a three-year-old child for no apparent reason.

Aside from that, this incident is recounted in a devotional book published by a Sai devotee which anybody can purchase and see the "truth" for themselves. And a plus to that, the testimony states that the boy did complain in a most anguished manner:

Source: "The poor little boy! He came running to me, sobbing. The sobs did not subside even after one hour ... The minute I took him out of the cradle, my son would say pathetically, 'Don't take me to Swami, mother,' and break into tears. I would feel very pained. But when Swami ordered me to bring the boy, how could I say no?"

The boy was also reported as "yelling and crying". What a crying shame that the mother was so brainwashed about Sai Baba's divinity that she had convinced herself that this extremely violent behaviour was for the good of her child. I'm sure that would go down very well with today's mothers. Try that logic out on your friends; go to the nearest mother you see, attempt to beat the living hell out of her child, and let's see what happens.

It is deplorable that today's "Sai devotees" dismiss this activity as 'whining' and otherwise worthy of ignoring. Sai Baba is on record as having violently abused a three-year-old child, and had even abused the child's mother and her brother when they were young to boot! It just goes to show you how much Sai Baba's devotees have imbibed the love, compassion and sympathy that he so often preaches about. As is the guru, so are the disciples.

i am surprised that people can call each other names .Lisa (this is most probably a man in a woman's name) is worthcalpeople names and wasting ur time. if u have logcal arguments to prove your point do it . if u do not want to know the truth and don't want others togive their openion, it shows you do not want to know the truth. Well that is ur wish. but don't make personal attacks. i am a victim of baba and iam not dadlani or any other of ur knwon people. if i call baba names i have the right, for i suffered.
   
  I know how u feel? but know this fanatic emotional denials will not be an answer to the questions raised by anti sai s . what is ur answer to the vedio clippings showing baba cheating his so called creations QT - Lisa Warrior Princess <qtopic+29-FE68KidtskS@quicktopic.com> wrote:

    
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You know I had never thought that lisa may be a man, even thought it seems there is some sexual confusion.

There is more to follow in the story of Sai Baba's violent beating of a tiny three-year-old child. Please avail yourselves of the following article:

Suffer MORE Children Unto Sai Baba.

Edited by author 06-03-2006 12:54 AM
You know I never thought that Tony O'Clery may be a woman although there is some sexual confusion (see "aoclerry" female (Antoinette?) yahoo profile on google and on membership roster at SSB2). See also the movie credits for Third Man Out, a gay themed movie shown only on cable, which lists an Anthony O'Clery as one of the actors. Tony admitted he hung out with the transgendered men at Puttaparthi. Maybe Tony likes to wear his wife's clothes.

Sorry, I don't take anonymous people who claimed to be sexually abused by Baba seriously. I've seen too many liars and you are probably one of them.
You've probably never even been to see Baba as your story sounds a phony as a three dollar bill. And you ARE attacking Baba, liar. In fact, you are a coward doing it anonymously so get real con artist. I'm a REAL sexual abuse victim and I can smell a phony a thousand miles away.

Edited by author 06-03-2006 02:01 AM
Anyone who claims movies conclusively show Baba cheating are conclusively LIARS. I have looked at these movies on both 19 and 27 inch t.v. and they show NO such thing. You con artists have NO credible experts who have analyzed these films and agreed with you. In fact, Haraldsson who is one of the FOREMOST experts in parapsychology today and who has worked with NASA scientist, Edgar D. Mitchell on an Apollo 14 ESP project, says the Doordarshan video does NOT show cheating as the sceptics and their partners in crime have claimed. Haraldsson even went so far as to have an EXPERT analyze the film and the expert said it did NOT show cheating.

Fraud is VERY easy to prove in court and NOT one of you has done it yet because you can't even prove it on the internet! In fact, you bozos don't DARE go near a court room with all your lies. It is no wonder you claim to be afraid of the Indian government . If I were liars like you, I would be afraid of the court room too.
 
If you want to prove something let's see you cowards in a court room. I am tired of your whining, lies and idiocy that NEVER ends. You bozos don't deserve to be believed. You hide behind anonymous names and stories and whine, moan and lie like cowards. PERIOD. End of Story. Now get a life before you end up in jail on fraud charges, because I'll put you in jail if I EVER get the chance to prove what con artists you are. And you better hope I don't. I'm tired of watching you spineless cowards harass people.

I actually led a group at one time, so there are no amount of witnesses to testify my activities at the ashram.
The vidoes are well documented and nobody can deny the Indian Govt pulled the video of sb taking a bangle from under a present of some kind.

Edited by author 06-03-2006 06:26 PM
Re /m123: This is the whole problem with the mentality of Sai Baba's devotees; they insist that everything should fit in nicely with their worldview otherwise it is to be rejected. This is not compatible with even the most basic principles of psychology. Freud, although he concentrated on psychosexual development, formulated a useful principle that guides therapeutic models: whenever a conflict arises, mental health will attain equilibrium when resolution of said conflict is attained. Resolution may indeed consist of accepting a reconciliation between the opposing elements that make up the conflict, or resolution can be attained by sacrificing one element in favour of the whole.

In the case of Lisa De Witt, who herself goes by the anonymous ID of "Warrior Princess" and has a long history of anonymous attacking behaviour, it is mournful to see that a sexual abuse victim should exhibit the signs and behaviours that are similar to her own experience of sexual abuse. She should know better. It just doesn't work that way. These things are nomothetic, not idiographic. Lisa if you can't understand these big words, consult a dictionary.

Regarding movies, Lisa must be blind or have other sight problems if she cannot see the obvious cheating. It's not just the Doordarshan footage that has been questioned; there are many more clips in documentary movies (including official ashram videos that show Sai Baba cheating as well as the 'SEDUCED' documentary) and some of these are at www.exbaba.com . In fact, I happened to watch the SEDUCED documentary today (I have it on CD-ROM) and I was laughing my ass off; how could anyone believe that this cheap magician is God? How did we ever fall for it? Some people still think it's genuine, that's sad.

Edited by author 06-03-2006 07:59 PM
Erlendur Haraldsson? Oh yes, I remember him. He knows quite a bit about Sai Baba's relationships with male devotees back in the 1940s/1950s that he never published in his book. :-)

Haraldsson also investigated the ressurrection of Walter Cowan and found the truth to be extraordinarily different from the official version. :-) I wonder what Sai Baba's devotees think of the fact that he unearthed curious information about Sai Baba: Sai apparently had a whole family of scorpions living in his hair at one time. :-)

His published academic paper into Sai Baba's miracles (with Karlis Osis) was published in a psychological journal. According to the abstract, the investigation concludes something that devotees will find unexpected. :-) Unfortunately the database appears to be down right now so I cannot find it, it should be back up by Monday.

Re /m120: Sorry pal, looks like Lisa will continue her overemotional fanaticism and denials as well as her abusive and vituperative behaviour. History has shown that she has never contributed sensibly and rationally to any sort of discussion except to overlace her speeches with ad-hominem attacks and threats. We see the same type of mentality: Because she doesn't think that the movies show Sai Baba's fraud, everyone else who disagrees with her point of view are liars. *shakes head*

Just look at Sanjay Dadlani's past and present blogs and postings and see who is the super-hypocritical, fanatical king of ad hominem attacks. Really pathetic to watch a pervert like him whine about other peoples behavior when he ought to be in jail in light of so many of his criminal confessions of downloading child porn and buying illegal drugs on the street. And then there is his misogynistic blog in which he posted pics of women he stalked and put disgusting captions like, "They want it" and other perverted sexual drivel.

This is the problem with the anti-Sai bandits who fail to take responsibilty for their own continued hypocrisy and think they have a license to harass everyone who disagrees with their "worldview" as Dadlani the wannabe intellectual calls it. If you don't like my "worldview" keep your nose out of it bozo! If you weren't so nosy you wouldn't have an ulcer over your obsession for sticking your big nose into everyone elses business.

Unfortunately for you, my worldview is consistent with the view of the legal authorities and video EXPERTS (of which you are NOT) and YOURS isn't, coward. And until you bozos face the hard realities of those facts you will continue to live in your delusional little worlds whining like the cowards you are.

Here is an important news.

As you are aware, for quite some time now, totally unfounded, despicable, pernicious and absolutely false rumours have been circulating about our Beloved Swami. Not only have these rumours been spread through e-mails and the internet, but some unscrupulous TV channels have enough gone so far as to fabricate so-called documentaries and aired them in many countries.

Over the years, we have received from devotees across the world, many e-mails and letters expressing deep distress and anguish. In respect of spreading falsehood, the notorious BBC documentary appears to have hurt most.

We now have some very good news for all devotees, especially for those who for years have been suffering the pain of seeing all these rumours and false allegations being eagerly lapped up by the gullible.

The news is this:

The young man who made most of these allegations against Swami and who was the star accuser in the malicious and vicious BBC documentary, filed a case in California in January, 2005.

The case was set for hearing on April 28 th, 2006.

During the handling of the lawsuit, witnesses were identified and interviewed, who were present in Prashanti Nilayam, when the molestations alleged by the plaintiff were supposed to have taken place.

One of the witnesses, Mr. Kreydick was examined by lawyers and the proceedings were recorded on video tape. This happened on March 16 th, 2006 . Subsequently, the video deposition was made into a typed deposition, which Mr. Kreydick signed on April 7 th, 2006 . He also issued a personal statement to the effect that although he originally believed in the allegations made against Sai Baba, he later discovered that there were many critical discrepancies and contradictions in the allegations made by the plaintiff and the anti-Sai community in general. His said that all these allegations had a hidden bias. He therefore retracted his earlier position in support of the allegations.

This marked the turning point. The young man who filed the complaint then dismissed his own lawsuit on April 19 th, 2006.

The case was then dismissed with prejudice. It means no damages to the plaintiff, and that the case can never be filed again in any court in America or in India.

Yes, dear Subscriber! Truth always triumphs!!

Please spread the good news to all you know and do everything you can so that Sai devotees everywhere hear this news immediately and rejoice.

The message that has come out, loud and clear is that TRUTH ALWAYS TRIUMPHS, though it takes its own sweet time to do so.

Soon, Radio Sai and H2H will bring to you a special feature giving you all the details of this glorious triumph.

Meanwhile, rejoice.

Once again, we request that you share this good news with as many as you can.

Let it spread like wild fire, burning away all the residual doubts and misgivings.

Thank you and JAI SAI RAM

There is absolutely NO proof the video was confiscated as Tony the "true believer" in all things negative claims. The only ones claiming this are the biased rationalists. In fact, it was Premanand who claimed his copy "supernaturally disappeared," NOT Doordarshan! No one from Doordarshan has backed up this silly claim. If the tape was "confiscated" how was it that both the skeptics AND Haraldsson were able to get a copy of it to analyze? And by the sound of things, the tape was so lousy in quality it could not be used for broadcast and that is WHY it never made it to t.v.

********

The GuruBusters film also discussed a video that allegedly captured Sathya Sai Baba producing a gold necklace by sleight of hand. Sanal Edamaruku (a self-professed atheist and rationalist) said about this video: "In November 1994 during the celebration of his 69th birthday, he was caught red-handed when he 'materialized' a golden chain, a cameraman of the national TV (Doordarshan) filmed the scene and revealed -just by chance- the secret: a close-up shows him plucking the chain from the bottom of a plaque, where it has been fixed before. Sai Baba was powerful enough to get the film clipping confiscated before it could be broadcasted, but copies of the cassette, smuggled out from the Doordarshan studios, were circulated all over India and abroad In Guru Busters, Channel IV's famous documentary by Robert Eagle about the work of Indian Rationalists, which has meantime been broadcasted in twelve countries, the clipping is reproduced in slow motion, proving the case beyond doubts. Sai Baba's reputation suffered serious damage."

The only problem with all these claims, about Sathya Sai Baba being filmed faking a materialization, is that Erlendur Haraldsson (author of Modern Miracles) stated that he and his associates carried out a careful analysis of the video shown in the Guru Busters film. Haraldsson stated the following about the video: "The quality and resolution of the tape leaves much to be desired and limits the inferences that can be drawn from it. Dr. Wiseman took the videotape to a company which specialises in investigating corporate fraud. This company posesses some of the world's best equipment designed to enhance poor quality videotape. The technician kindly offered to enhance the videotape in question. The videotape was run through a real time Snell & Wilcox Kudos Noise Reducer. The machine carries out three operations. First, it removes via recursive filters the random noise on the tape caused by repeated copying. Second, it imporves the graininess of the video by median filters and finally enhances any edges on the the video through edge enhancement filters. After all this the video is certainly easier to watch, and did not contain much of the random noise present on the copy provided by the Deccan Chronicle. However, the resulting tape still did not reveal further information about the incident. In short, the reason for Sai Baba's hand movements still appears unclear and is open for various interpretations, but the tape contained no firm evidence of fraud. The company also analysed several still frames taken from the video. These were scanned into a computer and run through an Improve image processing system (developed by the Home Office in Britain). Again, the images were enhanced via median filters and certain areas of the frames were enlarged. The resulting photographs show the crucial moment as Sai Baba's hands touch under the memento, but do not reveal any further information." Therefore, all these claims about Sathya Sai Baba clearly resorting to trickery, to manifest the necklace, are patently false.

http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/guru-bust...ry-gurubusters.html

Why does sb say that his mother still visits him, in her astral body, when he also says she merged with him and got Moksha?...Contradictory yes!...Tony

Miracele or siddhis mean nothing. Sri Ramakrishna Parmahamsa said they were 'rubbish'...Tony

Edited by author 06-05-2006 11:11 PM
Re /m130: "And by the sound of things, the tape was so lousy in quality it could not be used for broadcast and that is WHY it never made it to t.v."

Whatta lie!

The whole point about this movie is that it was broadcast on Doordarshan, which is a government-sponsored channel (sort of like the BBC) and not your average tabloid channel. In India, if something comes on Doordarshan then it comes with some form of authority.

Secondly, of course it made it to TV! Not just Indian TV but British TV too! The very name 'Guru Busters' comes from an episode of Equinox on Channel 4 (UK Broadcasting station), from an episode entitled 'Guru Busters'. I have a copy of this whole documentary on VHS cassette. The documentary discussed other fake gurus apart from Sai Baba too.

This is what happens when you open your mouth and rubbish spews forth from it. Your speech becomes incoherent and you start frothing at the mouth with lies.

Re /m129: It's nice to hear a direct message from Prashanti Nilayam admitting how they were virtually brought to their knees thanks to the BBC documentary. They'd like to label the BBC - aworld-renowned broadcaster - as "unscrupulous" just because the BBC has an opinion of it's own.

What they fail to get into their thick heads is that the BBC documentary (and the Sai Expose in general) does not only consist of sexual abuse allegations, but that the Expose is multifarious and works on all angles.

The BBC documentary brought to light the fact (among many others) that Sai Baba's involvement in murders have NOT been forgotten. In case anyone forgot, as well as yesterday being "Antichrist Day" it was also the THIRTEENTH anniversary of the 1993 murders. How's that for a bunch of apples?

And now we have the scandalous revelation that Sai Baba is an inbred messiah. Tsk, it just gets worse and worse for the devoted minions.

Edited by author 06-07-2006 12:01 AM
I wasn't joking.

Sai Baba: Born Of Incest - find out all about Sai Baba's mysterious parentage with revealing new information.

And while it's still "Antichrist Day", let's revisit my views on the possibility of Sai Baba being the Antichrist:

Sai Baba: Antichrist Superstar!

Hmm...so as per the Gospel of Judas, Jesus told Judas to betray him.
What do you think about this, Mr Exposed? Nice try...Judas eh?

Edited by author 06-11-2006 09:53 PM
Sai Baba: Demonising The Critics - See this article to see a complete list of Sai Baba's repulsive and contradictory behaviour against his critics. For a so-called embodiment of love, he sure has a few gripes against people who pullaway his robe and expose him for the fraud that he is. See how he calls his critics 'Judases', 'cawing crows', alleges bribery, and much more false and unfounded accusations.

On the other hand, I do agree that my recent "incest" article was a nice try; it has produced a host of successive articles:

Sai Baba: Incestuous Reflections

Kasturi's Incestuous Revisionism

Far From The Incestuous Crowd

:-)

And many more earth-shaking revelations to be revealed. Tough luck, Mr. Judas, the Gospel of Judas has not been universally recognised as authentic. :-) What does Jesus have to do with this anyway? Are you contending that our recent revelations have no basis in truth, despite being recorded in official devotional literature? Careful. ;-)

Make up your mind, ex-premie. One minute you say I am hiding. The next you say I am trying to make a name. All my facts regarding the lies and criminal behavior of the anti-Sais are documented on the internet for those who are honest enough to look at them. The anti-Sais cannot even make it into a court room, which is what I predicted over the last few years and is also WELL-DOCUMENTED on the internet. You, on the other hand are full of hot air (and a coward to boot) and that is why you have to hide behind a phony user name. Several of the people smearing Prem Rawat have criminal histories too so that doesn't surprise me although you sound just like Reinier van der Sandt or one of his criminally-minded friends. The only thing people like you seem to be good at is harassing people, I'll give you that. That's why so many of you end up in jail in the end.

What the BBC brought to light is how awful their reporting is. Now that Alaya Rahm proved what a liar he is (not ONE witness showed up to back his claims even though he, his family, and the anti-Sais claimed they had scores of witnesses...there were 40 complainants listed on their filing!), the BBC is left with egg on their face and who knows, maybe now someone will sue them since the anti-Sais won't shut up are still using the poorly-researched piece of garbage to further their hate campaign.

The anti-Sais can't even keep their stories straight! So Sanjay makes Tony out to be a liar by saying the Doordarshan video did make it to tv. And if someone "smuggled" the Doordarshan video out of the Doordarshan Studio, that's called stealing so did Premanand receive stolen property? Do the anti-Sais EVER analyze and ask "rational" questions about WHAT they are reading? Doesn't look like it.

We "demonise" the critics who "demonise" Sai Baba because they LIE, LIE, LIE and REFUSE to correct their disinformation. They know they cannot win without lying and manipulating the truth.
They are the ones doing sleight of hand with the facts as ALL are becoming increasingly aware.

Their temper tantrums are increasing.

It looks pretty obvious to me (and everyone else) who's temper tantrums are increasing. :-)

Edited by author 06-27-2006 04:25 PM
You said it. Most of the critics of Sathya Sai only present thousands of cool facts, not demonisations such as you now blatantly admit you do! Your presence everywhere you post shows that you are about the lowest kind of mentality to be found on the web. Congratulations, every sentence you write exposes you as a defamer, demoniser, person without facts or reason. Just keep on going, you seem unable not to condemn yourself with every posting. It is highly amusing to see. You do not recognise the right of anonymity on the internet when it is to protect against demonisers like you claim to be! If anonymous posters are cowardly, then millions are cowards. But you tried to hide your identity for ages, but I note that you were found out - I saw that on Yahoo sathyasaibaba2 group!

hi all from freestone the moderator.

well I found that video upload site the
http://www.youtube.com

and I did a search for baba videos that were made by interested parties.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search=sai+..._type=search_videos

there are a bunch, maybe about 20 or so of them!
There are several made by visitors and devotees where jewlery and vibuti
were "manifested" by baba.
then there are videos that slightly lampoon him, a video made by a class project, several 10 minute videos of baba presentations.

all good Fodder for research, or just to take a look at baba!

http://www.flickr.com
has many pictures uploaded and thus one can do a search for "sathya sai baba" or "sai baba" to find yet MORE baba stuff!

have fun.

post here any Findings or insights, from these videos or pictures!



freestone

Sai Baba EXPOSED,

1. Sai Baba was borned to Pedda Venkamma(ppa ??) Raju (father) and Eswaramma (mother)

2. Pedda Venkamma Raju was borned to Kondamma Raju(father) and Lakshamma(mother)

3. Eswaramma was borned to Meesaraganda Subba Raju(father) and Venkata Subbamma(mother)

4. Kondamma Raju(male) and Venkata Subbamma(female) are siblings(brother and sister).

Validity by close relation: By local customs the marriage of Pedda Venkamma Raju and Eswaramma is not only valid but it is a *very common* practice.
Age: Given the year(old India) of the marriage though I am not sure of the legality, I am very sure it is not uncommon.

Run this by some folks who lived in Andhra Pradesh before respodning to me. I can see that you don't know the "last name" nomanclature of Andhra Pradesh. "Raju" indicates caste but not the "last name". Naming is a little tricky in Andhra Pradesh.

I am afraid you should research this and remove the incest claim immediately from your blog, to save your credibility.

As I've already answered the majority of your point here, I have nothing more to add except to say that I firmly disagree with your conention that such marriages are "normal practice".

It may be widespread and it may be carried out even today, but that doesn't disprove my basic point that incest is morally abhorrent and as such, Sai Baba should have been more choosy about which family to take birth in. Avatars supposedly retain such exclusive rights.

As for last names and so on, you're very welcome to explain your points there.

Edited by author 07-03-2006 09:09 PM
Just for reference, here is the response to Beast-Master's other points as registered here:

If you want to define everything with a dictionary, I suppose you'll agree that sex (for example) is nothing more than:

1. The property or quality by which organisms are classified as female or male on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions.
2. Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, of this classification.
2. Females or males considered as a group.
3. The condition or character of being female or male; the physiological, functional, and psychological differences that distinguish the female and the male. See Usage Note at gender.
4. The sexual urge or instinct as it manifests itself in behavior.
5. Sexual intercourse.
6. The genitals.

So which definition listed above do you think describes sex as we know it?

Similarly I am not concerned with the legality of the parents' marriage and nor am I concered with what were the "proper" practices, it is an undeniable fact that incest is morally abhorrent.

By the way, what do you mean that cousin-marriage is not forbidden by Hindu religious practice? Perhaps you are not familiar with the Manu-smriti (Laws of Manu) that states, among other things:

"He who has approached the daughter of his father's sister, (who is almost equal to) a sister, (the daughter) of his mother's sister, or of his mother's full brother, shall perform a lunar penance. A wise man should not take as his wife any of these three; they must not be wedded because they are (Sapinda-) relatives, he who marries (one of them), sinks low." - Manu-smriti 11.172-173

Pedda Venkappa Raju indeed went against Hindu religious practice by violating the above Law of Manu. He approached (let's not get technical here) Easwaramma who was the daughter of his father's sister.

By the way, how about the fact that Venkamma (Baba's sister) married her uncle, Easwaramma's brother?

SBE,

You said, "So which definition listed above do you think describes sex as we know it?"

Depends on the context. From your list, #1 as in "what is your sex?". #5 as in "SB attempted to have sex with AR".

Per Hindu marriage practice in Andhra Pradesh, the following marriages are *not forbidden*.

A man with his-

1. sister's daughter
2. father's sister's daughter
3. mother's brother's daughter

The following marriages are *forbidden*.

A man with his-

4. sister
5. mother
6. daughter
7. brother's daughter
8. father's brother's daughter
9. mother's sister's daughter
10. mother's sister

You fail to observe the distinction between 1-3 and 4-10. In my part of the world, 1-3 are *not incest*. 4-10 are *incest*.

.BM

SBE,

You said, "..I have nothing more to add except to say that I firmly disagree with your conention that such marriages are "normal practice.."

Tell me how did you come to the conclusion of firm disagreement.

It is a simple fact that it is a popular Hindu marriage practice in AP state. Give us some business(I won't guarantee it will entertain you:-), watch this 2005-06 movie- http://www.khojhyderabad.com/Ent/Movies/Display.asp?q=859&H=2

Hero-Heroine relationship in this movie is #2 from my list(2. father's sister's daughter).

SBE,

In your blog you said, "I still find it incredibly absurd that incest is justified as "normal" and so forth."

You committed 2 errors in one sentence!

1. Begging the question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_argument)
2. Argumentum ad ignorantiam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance)

First, you assume it is incest. Second, you can't take the fact due to your lack of knowledge.

Why don't you research before committing more errors?

.BM

Beast master, I find your enthusiasm rather cute but I'd really appreciate it if you'd stick to one place for discussions on this subject. You are already carrying on this discussion here and here so I'd really like it if we could stick to one arena. I don't mind talking in several different places but then I enjoy the luxury of having different types of discussions in different places, and I'm sure you can understand how tiring it might be to repeat the same points in more than one arena.

Hope you understand the problem and will stick to the original arena. Feel free to repost your points here to there if you like.

SBE,

Your blog is inconvenient to me. So, let's talk here.

I am asking you to give this a serious thought(don't call me cute). Until we conclude our discussion I request you to remove your incest claims from your blog. Your incest claim goes well for all Hindus of AP state.

Now, have you researched the Hindu marriage practice in Andhra Pradesh? Do you acknowledge that it is well practiced custom in AP state?

While I wait to hear from SBE on his incest claim, I want to talk with others about materializations performed by Sai Baba(SB). Is it a complete mystery or do you know any details about it?

1. Some basic questions. What is your definition of 'materialization'? Where does the material created come from(is it within the law of matter/energy conservation?)? For example the golden egg. Was it made in a gold shop? How about the watches? Do they have manufacturer's markings on them? How about the workmanship? Do they wear and tear?

2. Why does SB do it? Is it to demonstrate his Godman status? Is it to reward the devotees? How is it different from a magician's work?(Have you watched David Copperfield's show)

3. What do you understand from these materialization? How does this act impact your level of belief in SB? Would you believe to the same extent if SB wouldn't perform the materializations?

.BM

SBE,

You said, "It may be widespread and it may be carried out even today, but that doesn't disprove my basic point that incest is morally abhorrent and as such, Sai Baba should have been more choosy about which family to take birth in. Avatars supposedly retain such exclusive rights."

May be I am not communicating well.

1. Such marriages are *not incest*.
2. Moral: it is customary. The marriage is conducted in the same fashion as in any other marriage. There is no more degradtion of values (lust, seduction, suppression etc) than any other marriages. It is customary, no queation of morals come into this. I am not supporting or oppsoing this. I am just stating the fact. This is an age old custom in AP.

As for why SB chose this family to born in, I have no comment. This doesn't make AP Hindu's incest. By no standards we can evaluate thier parents to be better or worse to take birth in. What are the rules? Which marriage relation is superior to another? What is the criteria for a Godman to be borned to amfamily? Devotees don't see the differentiation in their marriage(they are more informed than you in this area!).

Well, back to the point- AP people are respectful, loving, peaceful, decent, traditional, care for good family, future looking, progressive. Don't call our forefathers marriages incest.

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  i hope u are not bringing in the philosophical meaning for golden egg etc.i know it is a part of kundalini yoga and it is known to Sabibaba.he is using it to fool people.that is his strength. he is too smart and his business started very early . now it is difficult to dislodge his evil empire.
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abused for15years (AF-15),

I am not talking about philosophical. Later on, I learnt that the official SB claim is that the materializations are creation of objects from "nowhere". It is a blatent lie and is very easy to prove, I bet.

I am given to understand that there is no strong evidence of Sai Baba(SB)'s molestation(no pictures, no video, no audio, no sperm deposits etc.). The law and order in India is not good enough to bring justice based on first hand reports(I am sure you know what I mean). To face a big guy like SB we need a smoking gun. We need some spy work like bugs, miniature digital recorder etc and some training as well. But I doubt if SB in his old age is still continuing his abuses.

I am a skeptic of any Godman. I doubt Sai Baba(SB)'s materializations as well. The easiest thing to do is- capture videos of his materializations along with speaches in the same session. The video should be good enough to reveal his magician's work. We can file a public interest case stating that SB is cheating/misleading people at large.

Another type of case could be a small group of people should go to court for damages. They can complain that they were attracted to SB on the basis of marterilaizations and followed a misinterpreted, corrupted religious philosophy. Now that they come to know that materializations are fake they want justice for the damage done. SB has to prove his demonstrations to win this case. SB *can not* materialize. He is a 2nd rate magician at best. That is a good case with a smoking gun.

I agree; a lot of money is needed to fight a legal battle with SB.

You have my sympathy for being abused and my admiration for your bravery to speak up!

.BM

Many people incl fake godmen miss one important feature of God and the universe(nature) that is supposedly created by him.

God can do *anything* when he is outside the nature. However fake godmen know the first half(God can do *anything*) and doesn't know the second(when he is outside the nature). Now that they incorrectly believe that "God can do *anything* even when he is inside the nature", they start claiming things that are naturally impossible. They don't know that God will not do anything naturally impossible things when he is inside the nature(Btw, when he is inside the nature he is no more God, hence I am skeptic of any godman).

God created nature with a set of laws. No one can break them. Breaking the natural laws will break the system. Hence God wdn't do it. I would even say he can't even do it more than once(after first time the nature breaks, hence no chance for the second attempt). It doesn't reflect his capability but it is due to the incapability of the nature itself. You can't make Helium out of Hydrogen without releasing a huge amount of energy. Sitting on earth, you can't make Gold out of "nothing".

Godmen can be very wise, knowledgeable, skillful, intelligent, and can inspire and influence people. They can do magic tricks, can cause temporary illusions but can not make Gold out of "nothing". Even God can not do that the second time. SB may have created this universe but he *can not* create Gold out of "nothing".

I welcome your comments.

.BM

Edited by author 07-16-2006 10:01 PM
Alaya Rahm's Lawsuit vs Sathya Sai Society of America

- Joint Statement by the International JuST Group and the Rahm family



Date: July 16, 2006


At considerable personal sacrifice to himself and family, Alaya Rahm, 27, filed a civil lawsuit against California leaders of the Sathya Sai Society of America, who include the world chairman of Sathya Sai Baba’s organization, Dr Michael Goldstein. The case was heard by Judge John M. Watson of the Superior Court, County of Orange, California, on April 28th, 2006.

Substantive evidence was about to be called in court to support Alaya Rahm’s case, for which the Judge had allotted five weeks. However, his attorney, William Brelsford Esq., seeing formidable legal obstacles set by the defendants, and also working against a statute of limitations deadline, advised Alaya Rahm to self-dismiss the case. Along with other difficulties encountered, his attorney has explained, June 29th, 2006, to Alaya Rahm and his family:

“We were successful at the demurrer stage in establishing that a duty would be owed by the Society in the event they sponsored and/or endorsed the trips that Alaya went on when he was abused by Sai Baba. As it turns out, the Society is not the "hub" of all of Sai Baba's corporate activities. Rather, the Society, pursuant to declarations under penalty of perjury, confirmed they are a bookstore...nothing more. Accordingly, we do not have the necessary factual requirements to establish liability on the Society/Book center.”

No court found Alaya's allegations to be false. Simply, the suit could not continue on a technicality, and the claims of sexual abuse stand irrefutably true, just as before. The Sathya Sai Organization could take legal cover behind its bookstore. This is a very different situation to that being depicted in the systematic disinformation being spread throughout the Sai movement; for example, by those connected with its official international broadcast wing Radio Sai.

Among others ready to testify to the court was the former Mrs Diane Payne - USA. Hislop mentioned her in the letters he wanted kept secret that describe her having written to him alleging Sai Baba’s sexual abuse of her then teenage son in the 1970’s. Her child was then a student at Sai Baba’s College at Whitefield, near Bangalore. Again because important depositions were not able to be heard in court, Mark Roche, who formerly had long-term close ties with the most important leaders of the Sai Organization in the USA, was unable to testify. He appeared in the BBC television documentary ‘The Secret Swami’ (2004): In his BBC interview, Mr Roche spoke of Sai Baba’s forcing oral sex on him in 1976 when Roche was very young. He was also prepared to state under oath that he had told Sai Baba’s foremost overseas leader, Dr John Hislop, well before 1980, that Sai Baba had sexually abused him. These incidents occurred when Dr Hislop was the head of the Sai Organization in the USA. The Rahm family has stated:

"In the Hislop letters, the director Michael Goldstein was one of those called to consider the Payne sexual abuse matter. When our family met with Michael Goldstein in North-west Arkansas in September 1999 to confide in him the story of Alaya's abuse by Sai Baba, Michael Goldstein told us that he had never heard anything like this before. That was over twenty years after the Hislop letters, which we now know prove he was lying."

The Sathya Sai Organization has set itself up to avoid legal accountability and full public scrutiny. There is no legal entity in the United States against which a lawsuit demanding responsibility of Goldstein and other key directors of the Sathya Sai Society of America can be brought. The Organization’s leaders will not truly investigate or let the lower echelon leadership and the rank-and-file members know the nature and seriousness of the accusations against Sai Baba. These go well beyond sexual abuse of young males and include complicity in gigantic and wrongful deployment of funds garnered worldwide, and a cover-up of several killings in Sai Baba’s bedroom in June 6, 1993. The leaders will not even answer letters from complainants who have held high office in the Sai Organization, which have often been returned unopened. Such unaccountability and authoritarian secrecy is the Sai Organization leadership’s rigidly enforced rule. In the case Alaya Rahm brought against them, the directors presented a witness - Lewis Kreydick, a US citizen and staunch Sai devotee who often lives near Sai Baba. Kreydick is so obviously prejudiced in favor of Sai Baba that his mostly conjectural ‘testimony’ was without probity. For example, it could easily be contested by expert psychologists who can readily explain why an abuse survivor can produce the sort of smiles that Kreydick describes of Alaya after the period in which he (Alaya) spoke of Sai Baba’s sexually abusing him many times. Moreover, his parents have stated:

“Sai Baba also threatened Alaya repeatedly that if he ever told anyone what Swami was doing, Sai Baba would use his powers to cause an accident to Alaya and would also never talk to his parents again. Naturally, if Alaya couldn't tell his parents, why would he mention anything to Kreydick, who Sai Baba himself once removed from the Rahms’ visiting group? Sai Baba told us that Kreydick was spreading stories about our family and that we should not associate with him any longer. Sai Baba later banned Kreydick from the Ashram."

Compelling evidence could have been brought that Alaya’s case was but one of many cases of sexual abuse against citizens of the USA and other countries where Sai Baba is described as using threats and bribes. A number of sexual abuse professionals whom JuST has consulted have told us that emotional bribery and blackmail are common stratagems in the repertoire of sexual abusers. Such duress would be frightening enough for an adult, but what of mere boys in their teens!? What of those many who have been raised from birth as Sai devotees?

Because of the legalistic stumbling blocks, compelling testimony could not be presented. For example, evidence of:

    · dereliction of duty of care by leaders of the Sathya Sai Organization

    · from other families and individuals who allege sexual abuse by Sathya Sai Baba

What is more, hostile ploys in court by the Society’s lawyers and Lewis Kreydick to cast Alaya and Marisa Rahm (his mother) in a false, negative light have, most unjustly, remained undefended because of the sudden termination of the case.

Leading office-bearers who have attempted to expose the truth are always closed out of the Sathya Sai Organization. Therefore, lower echelon and rank-and-file members cannot deliberate on the facts. Sai Baba has lied about former devotees who now expose him, and his leaders know that. He has called them “Judases”, “demons", and has falsely and without giving a shred of evidence accused them of opposing him for money. When the Rahms took their story to Dr Goldstein, in September 1999, he was, they say, shocked and shaken, telling them, "Faith has got to be restored and words will not be enough." Promising to speak to Sai Baba, Goldstein asked the Rahms to keep the matter secret in the meantime. On his return, Goldstein said that Sai Baba replied, "Swami is pure" and "If you want to fight with people in the gutter, you also have to go into the gutter. Don't."

But the Rahms are not gutter people. Nor were they fighting. Goldstein and the leaders of the Sathya Sai Organization have breached the time-honored ethic in investigation of serious allegations that one does not rely, alone, on the word of an accused perpetrator. What indeed might a law case, allowed to run its course, reveal about this Organization?

It seems impossible to approach Sai Baba legally from abroad - not to mention the obstacles to bringing him to justice within India itself, where Supreme and High Court judges, government ministers and power brokers from many sections of Indian society are his devotees. Continuous efforts are made by the Sathya Sai Organization to cover up for its founder and to protect its own name. In regard to attempts to pursue Sathya Sai Baba by some means from outside India, William Brelsford (Alaya Rahm’s attorney) has explained:

“The lawsuit against Sai Baba (individually) was dropped because the judge indicated in the initial court appearance that he did not wish to see us pursue a case against an out- of-country defendant that is not a signatory to the Hague Treaty. Sai Baba lives in India. California does not have reciprocal jurisdiction rights against an out-of-country defendant and we cannot utilize California state subpoena powers against an out-of- country defendant not subject to the powers of the Hague Treaty without pursuing the Letters Rogatory process. That process takes several years to complete and there is no guarantee Sai Baba would even respond to service of a subpoena once a subpoena was served. Which complicates matters even more. And given Sai Baba's age, there is no guarantee he would even be alive at the time we finally could have perfected service of a complaint, let alone a deposition subpoena.”

Where they can, cults typically head off law cases on the basis of legal technicality. Sai Baba’s organization dares not face public examination. In countries in all the Sai Organization ‘regions’, its prominent leaders were instructed to ensure the Organization was not registered in a way that would render it legally or financially liable. One point which exemplifies this policy is seen in The Sathya Sai Organization Charter Section (E) CENTRES (6) Rules and Regulations: “The Centre/Group will not ordinarily be registered under the local law relating to registration of societies, if such registration is not mandatory.” (p.24).

In the late 1980s, overseas Sai Organizations and their Centers were instructed not to own or buy any property in the name of the Organization, but where necessary to let or borrow premises. The only properties and assets were to be in India, in the name of the Sathya Sai Central Trust, whose overall authority rests in Sai Baba himself!

The executives, research and legal staffs of major organizations have accepted the credibility of many witnesses from the USA and countries around the world (including those with sworn affidavits) who accuse Sathya Sai Baba of male sexual abuse over many years. These bodies include UNESCO (Paris), the US State Department, the BBC (“The Secret Swami”), AZUL TV (Argentina, “Zona de Investigación”), DR (Danish Broadcasting, “Seduced” - re-titled as “Seduced By Sai Baba” by Australia’s SBS - which, like DR, withstood Sai Organization threats to sue), and ABC Radio (Australia). Print media have likewise have accepted the credibility of former devotees and rejected Sai Organization attempts to kill the stories – e.g., India Today, The Times of London, The Daily Telegraph, Salon.com, and many other newspapers in Scandinavia, Europe, Canada, and Australia.

The Sathya Sai Organization – which, like Sai Baba, claims to uphold the truth - continually bluffs with its threats but quickly retreats when a corporation stands up to it, like the BBC, Danish broadcaster DR, Canada's CBC, Australia's SBS, India Today, and others. (Click here for example1 and example 2).

Those who know Alaya and his family are satisfied that they have told the truth. Indeed, the penalty for lying to a court in the USA, a legal system which Alaya Rahm was every bit prepared to face, is severe! The Society - or, to call things by their right name, the Sathya Sai Organization - did not and dares not face the challenge of a public examination of the case. Except, of course, in situations where it is forced into damage control.

Al Rahm says: “Alaya was seriously sexually abused by Sai Baba, who expected him to sustain a game of lies”.

Compelling accounts of individuals from many countries and investigative documentation by former devotees and some of the world’s leading media attest that Sai Baba has sexually molested boys and young men for over 30 years. Indeed, much of the international testimony, including sworn statements, could not be aired within obvious broadcast or print media limitations. Claims that these media are ‘sensationalistic’ are grossly untrue. These have been made by Sai Organization heads like Indulal Shah (formerly world head of the Organization), Dr. G. Venkataraman (Deputy Chairman of the ruling world body ‘The Prashanti Council’ chaired by Dr. Michael Goldstein and head of Radio Sai, the official international radio broadcaster) and other prominent Sai Baba apologists. As early as 1980, Dr John Hislop gathered Goldstein and the other directors to discuss the allegations by devotees. At that time as well, he accused an innocent mother and her abused teenage son of lying. Because of the technicality that closed the case, this is but one of the vital issues that it was not possible to air in court. Alaya Rahm’s attorney would have been able to demonstrate, under witness oath, that the Hislop letters - very damaging to the Sai Organization - are fully verifiable. Yet another strong witness standing by to verify these letters was Dr Timothy Conway, of Santa Barbara, USA, a former respected leader in the Sai Organization. It is a veracity which the Society’s directors could not, under oath (unless they perjured themselves) deny, for they were indeed among the recipients of these letters.

Al Rahm states: “The leaders covered up then and are covering up now. Dr Goldstein Dr William Harvey, Berniece Mead, Robert Bozzani and their attorneys are fully aware of the seriousness of the many sexual abuse allegations”.

On the Internet and elsewhere, some persons - who dare not stand forth as Alaya and other Sai Baba abuse survivors have done - dishonestly set about trying to discredit people who were much respected when Sai devotees. Alaya Rahm’s father, Al, for example, was one of five regional officers in ‘Region 10’ of the Sathya Sai Baba Organization of the United States. He and his family received over fifty interviews (combined) with Sai Baba. On several occasions, they performed music and sang in the Puttaparthi Mandir, which is the foremost temple for millions of Sai Baba’s followers, and have also performed in official Sai Centers throughout the USA, and in those of many countries. He started the first Sai School in the United States at the personal direction of Sai Baba during interviews that took place in 1997. This is a 501c3 non-profit institution named the School of Human Values of which Berniece Mead (mentioned above) was one of the officers. Al Rahm has told JuST that, when he:

“… called the officers to discuss the newly found sexual abuse information of Alaya Rahm, Berniece chose to resign instead of attend the meeting and face up to the allegations saying, ‘It’s always about something sexual’. Is this the kind of care that the head of the Sathya Sai Baba Organization’s children’s division (called “Education in Human Values” or “EHV”) should have?”

It most assuredly is not, and this typical case of dereliction of duty of care among Sai Baba’s foremost leaders should concern the wider public too which is the target of the Sai Organization, with its multi-million dollar project setting up schools in different countries. With its EHV program it seeks to get into the schools of the world but without disclosing its Sai Baba-oriented agenda - the guru who says that he will rule the world before AD 2022.

That Alaya Rahm withdrew his case reflects on certain Sathya Sai Organization leaders and their bad faith, not on him. Rather, he and his very supportive family who sacrificed so much through many years for Sai Baba and his Organization have had the courage, in the hope of saving other children from sexual abuse, to come forward in a United States court of law and to redouble their efforts to let the public know the truth.

 

Link to: The International JuST Group

Regarding Alaya Rahm's Failed Lawsuit, a full response to critics has been posted at (with more scanned court records coming soon):
http://www.sai-fi.net/z-alaya-rahm.shtml
http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/

Edited by author 07-25-2006 09:52 PM
Sage,

would you mind getting in touch with me by email please?

Edited by author 07-26-2006 08:09 PM
ermm,sage,could you be more specific ,please,what do you mean by associated?

LOl, Exposananda wants Tony to fill him on the details...

If proof comes from a liar and testimony from a theif, then perhaps justice will come from following the money rather then sex. What US citizen first paid to bring another US citizen Alaya to Baba?

If you were part of the Kreydick family, Sage, then you should have Known Kreydick's father was living at Sai Baba's ashram until 1999 where he passed away. If you were really suspicious of foul play then you would have filed a missing person report so I find your claim VERY suspicious. What is also very suspicious is that you just happen to turn up here at the "perfect time" to cast your aspersions. Why, as a supposedly "irate" family member who claims to have knowledge of Kreydick's alleged mob connections, weren't you voicing your concerns to the police prior to this Sage? Why didn't you care to protect your own family members prior to this? Why now, almost a decade later, when it suits the anti-Sai agenda and you can hide behind an anonymous name? Whoever you are (probably Tony O'Clery), you better hope Kreydick doesn't sue you.

Would any subtantiated untruths in the video deposition be subject to U.S. prejury laws?

"John was cremated quickly. Mary is buried in the Elmwook Park Cemetary Il. Walter had 9 siblings, these stories are legends...unsolved mysteries, told and retold... perhaps miscommunications over the generations."


*rolls eyes*

You're also probably Hedi

The fact remains that Alaya Rahm had every opportunity to take his case to trial and testify that Kreydick lied or was being untruthful. He did not. Instead of challenging Kreydick in any way, Alaya chose voluntariy to self-dismiss his case against the Sathya Sai Baba Society with "prejudice". No one has shown that Kreydick was untruthful or anything he said was a lie. Instead, we have someone using a fake name (i.e., "Sage") who is making all sorts of claims anonymously and under the guise of a psudeonym. If anyone has anything to hide, it is "Sage".

It is also important to point out the following:
1) Not even one single affidavit was submitted on Alaya's behalf.
2) Not even one single deposition was taken on Alaya's behalf.
3) Not even one single witness was identified to the court on Alaya's behalf.

If anyone has been shown to be untruthful, it was Alaya. Putting aside Alaya's numerous contradictory testimonies, the Rahm Family never had the integrity to come forward and discuss Alaya's sexual promiscuity and his (admitted) decade-long daily use of illegal street drugs. All these years, the Rahm Family never divulged the fact that Alaya never saw a therapist for his alleged "sexual abuse trauma". Alaya admitted to the court that he suffered no mental or emotional trauma that would have warranted him seeing a therapist or doctor of any kind!

"Sage" can come in here making all sorts of claims against the Kreydick family but she/he cannot refute Kreydick's testimony one bit. Since "Sage" is obviously aware of Alaya's failed lawsuit, one would think that she/he would have come forward to defend Alaya when it really mattered, not after the fact and after Alaya self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society.

Click Here For A Full Response To The Rahm Family & JuST

Love fosters peace,
Peace nourishes truth,
Truth confers bliss and
Bliss is God.

Edited by author 07-28-2006 10:23 PM
Time to get a few facts right (re /m178):

>> The fact remains that Alaya Rahm had every opportunity to take his case to trial and testify that Kreydick lied or was being untruthful. He did not. Instead of challenging Kreydick in any way, Alaya chose voluntariy to self-dismiss his case against the Sathya Sai Baba Society with "prejudice". No one has shown that Kreydick was untruthful or anything he said was a lie. <<

Here is what is written in the Joint Statement by JuST and the Rahm Family (/m158):

"In the case Alaya Rahm brought against them, the directors presented a witness - Lewis Kreydick, a US citizen and staunch Sai devotee who often lives near Sai Baba. Kreydick is so obviously prejudiced in favor of Sai Baba that his mostly conjectural ‘testimony’ was without probity. For example, it could easily be contested by expert psychologists who can readily explain why an abuse survivor can produce the sort of smiles that Kreydick describes of Alaya after the period in which he (Alaya) spoke of Sai Baba’s sexually abusing him many times."

What nobody says is that the deposition taken from Lewis Kreydick is exactly that, a deposition. It was simply "taken" from authorised law agents and was not heard in court according to my information. Consequently there is no question of Alaya/the Rahms refuting Kreydick's viewpoint because they had no opportunity to do so.

The other thing that nobody says is that the case was self-dismissed. Joe108 would like to tell people that this self-dismissal is connected to the taking of Kreydick's deposition. It is not. The two events were pure coincidence and nothing else. To say otherwise is to knowingly submit DISINFORMATION. The real reason why the case was dismissed is as follows (/m158):

"We were successful at the demurrer stage in establishing that a duty would be owed by the Society in the event they sponsored and/or endorsed the trips that Alaya went on when he was abused by Sai Baba. As it turns out, the Society is not the "hub" of all of Sai Baba's corporate activities. Rather, the Society, pursuant to declarations under penalty of perjury, confirmed they are a bookstore...nothing more. Accordingly, we do not have the necessary factual requirements to establish liability on the Society/Book center." - W. Brelsford, Alaya's attorney.

Very simply, the Sai "Organisation" is un-sueable and can practically get away with anything under the excuse that they are simply a bookstore.


Kreydick?

Al Rahm: "...why would he [Alaya] mention anything to Kreydick, who Sai Baba himself once removed from the Rahms’ visiting group? Sai Baba told us that Kreydick was spreading stories about our family and that we should not associate with him any longer. Sai Baba later banned Kreydick from the Ashram."

That says it all. Sai Baba himself discredits his own defense witness. :-) Imagine if that was stated in court! :-D


>> It is also important to point out the following:
1) Not even one single affidavit was submitted on Alaya's behalf.
2) Not even one single deposition was taken on Alaya's behalf.
3) Not even one single witness was identified to the court on Alaya's behalf. <<

Right. And the truth of the matter (/m158):

"Among others ready to testify to the court was the former Mrs Diane Payne - USA. Hislop mentioned her in the letters he wanted kept secret that describe her having written to him alleging Sai Baba’s sexual abuse of her then teenage son in the 1970’s. Her child was then a student at Sai Baba’s College at Whitefield, near Bangalore. Again because important depositions were not able to be heard in court, Mark Roche, who formerly had long-term close ties with the most important leaders of the Sai Organization in the USA, was unable to testify. He appeared in the BBC television documentary ‘The Secret Swami’ (2004): In his BBC interview, Mr Roche spoke of Sai Baba’s forcing oral sex on him in 1976 when Roche was very young. He was also prepared to state under oath that he had told Sai Baba’s foremost overseas leader, Dr John Hislop, well before 1980, that Sai Baba had sexually abused him."

And..

"Yet another strong witness standing by to verify these letters was Dr Timothy Conway, of Santa Barbara, USA, a former respected leader in the Sai Organization. It is a veracity which the Society’s directors could not, under oath (unless they perjured themselves) deny, for they were indeed among the recipients of these letters."

There is no use in listening to the lies and disinformation put out by Sai Baba's groupies. To be a great Sai devotee, you have to learn to read between the lies.

Sanjay Dadlani (aka, "Sai Baba Exposed") is totally ignorant about Alaya's court case and is basing his information on faulty information dispersed by the Rahm Family and JuST.

Sanjay has not refuted anything I have posted on my separate thread regarding this matter.

Regarding Sanjay's comment:

For example, it could easily be contested by expert psychologists who can readily explain why an abuse survivor can produce the sort of smiles that Kreydick describes of Alaya after the period in which he (Alaya) spoke of Sai Baba’s sexually abusing him many times.

It is amusing that Anti-Sai Activists claim that Kreydick's testimony "could easily be contested by expert psychologists". Notably, in pretrial discovery, Alaya Rahm claimed that he had suffered no psychological trauma that would have required medical or psychiatric care. Furthermore, Alaya identified no psychologist who had ever examined him! So it does not appear that there were any "expert psychologists" who were prepared to support or defend Alaya's position (scans coming soon).

Regarding Sanjay's comment:

"We were successful at the demurrer stage in establishing that a duty would be owed by the Society in the event they sponsored and/or endorsed the trips that Alaya went on when he was abused by Sai Baba. As it turns out, the Society is not the "hub" of all of Sai Baba's corporate activities. Rather, the Society, pursuant to declarations under penalty of perjury, confirmed they are a bookstore...nothing more. Accordingly, we do not have the necessary factual requirements to establish liability on the Society/Book center." - W. Brelsford, Alaya's attorney.

The Rahms (based on their own admission) were not novices to the Sai Organization. To the contrary, Al Rahm claimed three decades of membership, including holding important regional positions in the Sai Organization in the USA. If the Society was truly a "bookstore", Al Rahm would have known this. Brelsford accepted Alaya's case and pursued it for sixteen months. Surely an experienced trial lawyer would have been able to ascertain that the Society was a "bookstore" within a few days/weeks time. It obviously took Brelsford sixteen months to find this out even though the Rahms were fully familiar with the Sai Organization and the Society! The claim that lawsuit was dropped because the Society is a "bookstore" is an excuse, and a poor one at that. It took Brelsford 16 months to realize he did "not have the necessary factual requirements to establish liability on the Society/Book center"!

Regarding Sanjay's reference to:

"Among others ready to testify to the court was the former Mrs Diane Payne - USA. Hislop mentioned her in the letters he wanted kept secret that describe her having written to him alleging Sai Baba’s sexual abuse of her then teenage son in the 1970’s. Her child was then a student at Sai Baba’s College at Whitefield, near Bangalore. Again because important depositions were not able to be heard in court, Mark Roche, who formerly had long-term close ties with the most important leaders of the Sai Organization in the USA, was unable to testify. He appeared in the BBC television documentary ‘The Secret Swami’ (2004): In his BBC interview, Mr Roche spoke of Sai Baba’s forcing oral sex on him in 1976 when Roche was very young. He was also prepared to state under oath that he had told Sai Baba’s foremost overseas leader, Dr John Hislop, well before 1980, that Sai Baba had sexually abused him...Yet another strong witness standing by to verify these letters was Dr Timothy Conway, of Santa Barbara, USA, a former respected leader in the Sai Organization. It is a veracity which the Society’s directors could not, under oath (unless they perjured themselves) deny, for they were indeed among the recipients of these letters."

I have already responded to this in full. Diana Payne and Mark Roche were never identified to the court as witnesses on behalf of the plaintiff (Alaya Rahm). Attorney Brelsford would have had to identify Payne and Roche to the court as witnesses, so that either he (or the opposing attorney) could take depositions from them. In fact, no depositions (from any alleged witnesses) were taken on behalf of the plaintiff (Alaya Rahm). Nor were any alleged witnesses identified to the court on behalf of the plaintiff. How is it that a deposition was taken from Kreydick (on behalf of the defense), yet no depositions were taken on behalf of the plaintiff (Alaya Rahm)? Why is it that Diana Payne, Mark Roche and Timothy Conway were never identified to the court as witnesses by attorney Brelsford? Why is it that Payne, Roche and Conway failed to submit depositions on behalf of Alaya? Such being the case, the claim that "important depositions were not able to be heard in court" is a blatant distortion of the truth and amounts to nothing less than prevarication. Why doesn't Sanjay provide us with court documents to back up this lie from JuST? The records are now public record. Where are the depositions or references to Payne, Roche or Conway? I would like to see them.

Regarding Sanjay's comments:

What nobody says is that the deposition taken from Lewis Kreydick is exactly that, a deposition. It was simply "taken" from authorised law agents and was not heard in court according to my information. Consequently there is no question of Alaya/the Rahms refuting Kreydick's viewpoint because they had no opportunity to do so.

Kreydick's deposition was/is a sworn, signed, legal court record which was taken with Brelsford present and offering objections. This deposition was intended to be used in the court case that Alaya self-dismissed just prior to the trial being heard and not long after Kreydick's deposition was taken.

Regarding Sanjay's comments:

Very simply, the Sai "Organisation" is un-sueable and can practically get away with anything under the excuse that they are simply a bookstore.

Once again, the Rahms (based on their own admission) were not novices to the Sai Organization. To the contrary, Al Rahm claimed three decades of membership, including holding important regional positions. Certainly the Rahms were aware of the Sai Organization's structure and could name as defendants whomever they chose, and they did so. The Rahms also picked the jurisdiction and court that they filed in. Now, however, they claim they sued the wrong defendants in the wrong court and in the wrong country. No one can seriously rationalize that the Rahms (or their experienced trial lawyer) could have seriously believed that a USA court would have jurisdiction over Sathya Sai Baba as an individual defendant for events that were alleged to have occurred in India. If Alaya Rahm wanted to sue Sathya Sai Baba for money he needed to do so in India, not the USA. The actions against Sathya Sai Baba, Goldstein and the Sathya Sai Baba Society were not dismissed due to a "technicality". To the contrary, to have sued the wrong defendents in the wrong court and in the wrong country is an absurdity. So absurd, in fact, that it is incredulous that Alaya Rahm ever really intended to follow through with the suit. It appears that Alaya's lawsuit was a publicity stunt at best, judicial harrassment at worst.

Keep spinning Sanjay. Apparently, all you can do is repeat the lies dispersed by the Rahms and JuST like a trained parrot with no proof to back them up.

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Edited by author 07-29-2006 11:46 AM
the other day, I was thinking of the English movie from the early 70s called "BLOWUP"

http://www.filmsite.org/blow.html


 Blow-Up (1966) is director Michelangelo Antonioni's view of the world of mod fashion, and an engaging, provocative murder mystery that examines the existential nature of reality through photography. Antonioni's first film in English, it quickly became one of the most important films of its decade, and a milestone in liberalized attitudes toward film nudity and expressions of sexuality. The film was nominated for two Academy Awards (with no wins): Best Director, and Best Original Screenplay (Edward Bond, Michelangelo Antonioni, and Tonino Guerra).
A desensitized-to-life, nihilistic, high-fashion photographer Thomas (David Hemmings) in London, who lives a mid-60s life of excess (riches, fame, and women), becomes bored with his lucrative career of glamour photography. So he resorts to photographing, in documentary style, the seamy and sordid side of life in London, in flophouses and slums.

Innocently, he takes candid photos in a deserted park of a lover's tryst-rendezvous between a kerchief-wearing woman (Vanessa Redgrave) and a middle-aged, gray-haired man in a light-gray suit. She pursues him to ask for the illicit photos, as he imagines that he has witnessed a scene of sexual intrigue - never thinking that he may have accidentally obtained visual, criminal evidence of a murder.

Memorable scenes:


- the suspenseful, obsessive sequence of the photographer processing and blowing up several pictures from his park visit, and magnifying them larger and larger to poster size. As tension heightens, he pins the pictures on the wall of his living room - in sequence - giving them life as if they were individual frames in a motion picture. Ultimately, they reveal a riveting possibility - a man and a gun in the shadows of some bushes behind a fence. He speculates that he foiled a potential murder - but further blow-ups reveal what could be a dead body.
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My own take on this film, stays with me all of my life, that he went to the London park to take photos with his model and when he develops this film, one shot shows what *could* be an image, hidden in the bushes, very dimly and obscurely, in the far far distance background, of a man with a gun : he reads of someone murdered in the park, this maybe he thinks that he has a photo of the killer.
    he then litterly blows up the image to get a clearer picture of whether this blur *is* a man with a gun, or whether the image is just of a bush or stick pile. The more he blows up the image to a larger size, the clearer it becomes that this image IS of a man with a gun.
     My own "take" on this movie is that the message of the film is that if someone has a faint perception that something might be real, then fuerther examination will not only prove this out, that *ALSO* the physical evidence will "compline", will also become actually physically
to become that object thought-of, "Occultly"!!

In plain words....as if you peered into the woods and thought that you see a deer, the stump will turn into a real deer!! BE a real deer.

I sense that the "JFK researchers", when they examine the photo evidence of the JKF assaination, there, in Dallas, are finding litterly more and more extra "guns and killers", in this same way!

In other words, "object" and "mind" are not separated.

Now add a very very "magiacian/guru" with "occult powers" to the mix, and then just see what happens!
---did Baba materialize vibuti, or was that merely a "trick"?!
---was someone killed by baba's orders. or was this not so?!

on and on....


from my blog.
http://freestone.blogspot.com/
[here is an article that i wrote, once, about a book that I read, a book that put the *Fear* into me, over what is Real or Not real!!

If you believe this book writer's experience, be afraid, be very very very afraid!!


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The other day I was reminded of a book that I read over ten years ago.

I would say that what is in this book, I found to be the very " most scary" thing that I have ever read! This book, privately printed, never got to register on any radar, never got discussed in any new age forum, the "hydrogen bomb" contained in this book, exploded where no one ever heard it!

In my hometown of about 600 people, Interlaken, NY, there is a small public library, and it is very small indeed, perhaps the bookshelves take up all of a square 20 feet by 20 feet, the genealogy room is larger! This is in a town where they build one new house every ten years! I moved back there in the early 90s, and often went to this library.
One day, in the "occult" section, I found a book, this book was the *only* book in the occult section!
DUNDEE DREAMING by ??????
---a newspaper reporter from the [?]Dundee gazette newspaper had a column called "Dundee Dreaming". She collected the dreams of the people of Dundee, NY, a small city about 50 miles away from Interlaken. Then she would print them in the column, the dreams of Dundee. For years she ran this weekly column, and she asked the people of Dundee to submit their dreams. She had once lived in Elmira, NY, and thus in the 70s and 80s had also attended the Jane Roberts Seth Speaks classes.
This book was about this column and about the dreams of the people of that city.

the greatest Dream, was the 130 dreams that people mailed in to her about the man who was drowned in the sailing accident in Seneca lake. They all dreamed that a man drowned, in literal or symbolic language. Only thing was....That the Son of a Founding family was drowned weeks *AFTER* everyone dreamed this!!
[a collective premonitional dream, from over 100 people.]

*this* chapter, while amazing enough, is not the "bomb"! The utterly amazing event that I will write on, came from her own life, as this book is a bit "autobiographical"!

She had just come from one of the Lawyer meetings, her bad marriage had now just been Severed, the divorce was now Real. Stressed her to the max, the proceedings. She wanted to come to her uncle's farm, the childhood farm where she grew up on, for all of her years of childhood, so to heal and recover. She wanted to spend some hours in the barn attic where she spent SO many hours as a child, her 'safe spot", as her own parents lives were not so loving to each other. Her uncle now owned the farm, he just bought it.
She could hear him hammering away in the house as he did some fixing up on the old farmhouse, as she came up the stairs into the attic, unchanged since she was a girl, years ago. There *was* a change, though. The old nine pane window at the end of the attic now had four panes of glass in it, instead of the nine panes that it had when she was there, twenty years ago. She then sat where she always sat, nearly every day of the week that she could get there, as a child. She must have spent 15 years, five days a week, some bit of time in that room. There was only that one window. She now could see more, now that there were only four panes, as there were fewer window frames. She then came closer to the window. She then noticed that there was dust and dirt on the window sill and then on the putty at the bases of the four window panes.
"how *could* this be?" she asked herself! She was now in quite a bit of shock, as it seemed to be apparent that her uncle had never been to repair this window, that the panes have been there for years! After all, she looked out of this nine pane window for over ten years, nearly daily!
*REALLY* in a state of shock, when she asked her uncle about this, and she was told that he had not been up there.
a photo! She knew that there was a photo collection in some room in the house. Yes, the chest was still there and in it were several old albums of musty faded photos from her childhood, taken by her parents.

she found one with that attic in the background. There were four window panes in that window!

NOW....The "floor really did drop out from under her"!! How could this BE??

[be like, sports fans, like that year old white sports car you own, you get up to go to work and find that this white car has "miraculously" turned into a raspberry PINK!! You see by the dirt on the paint that it was not painted overnight! In fact you run to look at a photo taken months ago, only to see that this car has ALWAYS been pink!!]

she finally realized that the window REFLECTED her life, now that she has gotten this divorce from a marriage made when she was only 20 or so, she now had

A FAR WIDER VIEW ONTO LIFE

--and this window, so important to her growing soul, in childhood, reflected this!
More light, more freedom, more awareness. Four panes of glass; not nine.

Consider The Implications, sports fans!
--the outer "objective" world reflects your life inwardly, it changes as you change.
---many people might be able to change a "collective" reality, like of WAR or of EARTHCHANGES like of hurricanes or earthquakes.
---the weather that we have, might reflect the state of the souls of the people living under it!
--airplane contrails are "bad", thus they will make you sick in 20 seconds after
they appear in the sky, and that no doctor can deny the damaged body's symptoms!

this Dundee dreamer lady gave one more example, in this chapter! She had a friend
who took a photo with her camera, of her family, then she lost the camera before she was able to extract the film for development. She then moved five times and two of the moves were across country. Four to six years later she was one day hanging her wash on the clothesline and low and behold when she came out to the clothesline there was a camera hanging on the line. HER camera, as it had film in it and when developed, there were the pictures of her family that she took, still viewable after all those years!
?????
how?

the book is not listed in Google, long out of print, maybe if you were to go to the Home of the Rod Serling Twilight Zone, and visit the Library, you can check it out!
but my hometown of Interlaken, with its one room library *IS* the home of the twilight Zone, as 1955-1963 rod serling had his summer cottage there, a mile from Interlaken, on Cayuga lake: he wrote his scripts on the porch. He often was seen in town, and many of the stories used the town: "you cant go home again"...He revisited the town to walk it, the town was interlaken, I know where that carousel was!!

so ponder, if ye will, the Implications of that attic window!!

freestone

Honesty results from a pure heart and pure thought. It is also related to the desireless state because in that state, there is no need to distort the truth in order to achieve or obtain anything.

Honesty and truth are a way of life, the only way. It means more than just what the words imply, because it also means being true to yourself. The purity of heart is visible when the love of God is reflected so clearly and strongly that it shines through, even in the most adverse conditions and circumstances. Such a man has reached a point where nothing can touch him because he has come so close to God that his whole life is based on the solid foundations of truth, love and devotion to God. How can anything touch such a man?

Geez.
Now you are changing your story and saying that John disappeared. So who disappeared, John or Walter? Make up your mind!

Yes, Kreydick's words are relevant and he believed in them enough to testify in court, unlike you who are hiding out on a message board!

Edited by author 07-30-2006 01:59 AM
Re /m182:

>> Sanjay Dadlani (aka, "Sai Baba Exposed") is totally ignorant about Alaya's court case and is basing his information on faulty information dispersed by the Rahm Family and JuST. <<

Gerald 'Joe' Moreno (aka, "Joe108") should perhaps learn not to speak so presumptuously about my knowledge of the Alaya Rahm case. He would do well to realise that I and my colleagues are in full knowledge of the Rahm case, given that we are in touch with all parties concerned namely the Rahm family and their attorney, W. Brelsford.

While we're on that subject I think it's about time Moreno came clean and publicly disclosed his sources if he wishes to make this an issue, in the interests of informing the public.


>> Sanjay has not refuted anything I have posted on my separate thread regarding this matter. <<

An extremely silly thing to say. My post (/m181) was clearly addressing the issues brought up in /m178 and nothing else. I personally have no interest in reading any "separate threads" (where Moreno is simply posting repetitions of his own articles as published before on his website) when we are all here to discuss it here.


>> It is amusing that Anti-Sai Activists claim that Kreydick's testimony "could easily be contested by expert psychologists". Notably, in pretrial discovery, Alaya Rahm claimed that he had suffered no psychological trauma that would have required medical or psychiatric care. Furthermore, Alaya identified no psychologist who had ever examined him! So it does not appear that there were any "expert psychologists" who were prepared to support or defend Alaya's position (scans coming soon). <<

Moreno is engaging in deception. Notice that he started the above paragraph with, "Regarding Sanjay's comment" and then proceeds to quote a passage from the JuST statement! Moreno would do well not to carelessly mix up comments and source material, given his mind-numbing pedantry for proper sourcing in other areas of the Internet.

Regarding the point at hand, Moreno either has an insufficient knowledge of psychology or he is just deliberately playing dumb. The fact that Alaya Rahm claims not to have suffered psychological trauma or the fact that no psychologist examined him has nothing to do with the salient facts of the case. The scope of psychology is broader than people may think, and certainly exceeds in it's insights into the human mind beyond just "trauma". For example, one may wonder why Alaya continued to visit Sai Baba and wish for more experiences when he was being sexually abused (a question that has been asked many times). Psychologists, specifically trained abuse support workers, would be able to sufficiently explain this.

If Moreno or anyone else wishes to make a serious case using psychological reasoning, he/they would do well not to conveniently forget the Added complications that arise regarding Sai Baba's numerous declarations about his own divinity and also the effect that this has on his followers. For that matter, if Moreno and others wish to defend Sai Baba, they had better be prepared to explain the effect of these queer paradigms on the mind of a 16-18 year old (Alaya's age range during the abuse) what to speak of Sai Baba's own threatening behaviour and demands for forced secrecy. What does Moreno think of the effect all all these combined factors may have on the mind of a 16-18 year old boy?

No, scratch that. Moreno's opinion will be irrelevant considering that does not hold a psychological qualification of any form.


>> The Rahms (based on their own admission) were not novices to the Sai Organization. To the contrary, Al Rahm claimed three decades of membership, including holding important regional positions in the Sai Organization in the USA. If the Society was truly a "bookstore", Al Rahm would have known this. Brelsford accepted Alaya's case and pursued it for sixteen months. <<

Moreno deceptively quotes the JuST statement and attributes it to me again. Moreno then goes on to make his point in different ways. Regarding this particular point, Moreno should be aware that not everyone is aware about the incorporation status of their employ, nor is there any reason why they should be aware. To make it clearer, there is no reason why every employee of the Coca-Cola company or McDonald's (for example) should be privy to details regarding the incorporation status of their company, nor is there any reason why they should be aware. Unlike McDonald's or Coca-Cola, the Sai Organisation is not a company that provides food or entertainment to the public (unless you count distribution of vibhuti and weekly bhajans as sources of entertainment, as I do). We all know that the Sai Organisation's function is simply to operate weekly, monthly or bi-monthly gatherings by which devotees and followers of Sai Baba can congregate to sing bhajans, do seva and other things like Bal Vikas classes for the children. That is a conservative estimation of the Sai Organisation's function and rarely does anything unusual take place.

Consequently, the fact that Al Rahm held several important positions (which, funnily enough, Moreno does not specify) leads us to wonder what exactly his role was in the Organisation, what to speak of the fact whether he should be privy to details regarding the Organisation's incorporation. This is an incredibly facile argument from Moreno. I am surprised that such a point would even be brought forward for presentation.


>> Surely an experienced trial lawyer would have been able to ascertain that the Society was a "bookstore" within a few days/weeks time. <<

I must say that I find it absolutely hilarious that Moreno now questions Brelsford's "experience" as a trial lawyer when it is convenient for him. For the record, it should be known that Moreno has all along (until now) been referring to Brelsford's "experience" as a trial lawyer in the manner of taunting. When Moreno was gushing about the "failure" of the Rahm case, he repeatedly made reference to Brelsford's experience as a trial lawyer and insinuated that Brelsford knew that the case was "weak", which is why the "experienced lawyer" advised Alaya Rahm to self-dismiss his case.

Now, after the Sai Organisation has been publicly humiliated and embarrassed with the information that it is nothing but a bookstore and not an international organisation as previously thought (implying that they can get away scot-free with anything using the "we are just a bookstore" excuse!), Moreno consistently avoids addressing this point and instead tries to deflect attention to why the Rahm's didn't know this and why Brelsford didn't know this, even making a complete turnabout and questioning Brelsford's experience! Funny that!

In reply, we can say that it is nothing to do with Moreno. :-) After all, he is not a trial lawyer, nor is he a legal representative, nor has he ever presented himself as being knowledgable about the legal process in general. It is not necessary for him to be privy to the details of the case. Moreno might do well to question his own sources, namely the ones who fed him all the information in the first place. :-)


>> The claim that lawsuit was dropped because the Society is a "bookstore" is an excuse, and a poor one at that. <<

Moreno's opinion is not acceptable or relevant in a court of law. :-) The fact remains that the Sai Organisation is de facto "un-sueable" precisely because it is a bookstore and nothing more. It does not matter if the Rahms knew this. It does not matter if Brelsford took sixteen moths to discover this (according to Moreno, which is a lie). What does matter is that the Sai Organisation does not appear to be a proper legal entity by which any abuses effected within it, from it or by it can make them answerable for said abuses in a court of law! And that is a poor show.

The question now shifts to the premise of how and why the Sai Organisation is more or less allowed to get away with anything scot-free by using the "we are just a bookstore" excuse. What a cynical ploy by the Sai Organisation; to avoid hard questions being asked about why the directors of the Organisation (Hislop et al) did nothing at all when they were informed about Sai Baba's alleged sexually abusive behaviour as far back as the early 1980s as well as many other hard questions, they worm their way out of court with a chorus of "we are just a bookstore".

This itself goes to show how much respect the Sai Organisaiton has for the law. After all, if all the parties were innocent and had nothing to hide, there should have been no problem about all this coming out in court. Running scared.


>> Diana Payne and Mark Roche were never identified to the court as witnesses on behalf of the plaintiff (Alaya Rahm). Attorney Brelsford would have had to identify Payne and Roche to the court as witnesses, so that either he (or the opposing attorney) could take depositions from them ... Why is it that Diana Payne, Mark Roche and Timothy Conway were never identified to the court as witnesses by attorney Brelsford? Why is it that Payne, Roche and Conway failed to submit depositions on behalf of Alaya? <<

It is not our problem if Moreno didn't know if Payne, Roche and others were identified as witnesses to the court. One may well ask the same question as to why it took the Sai Organisation sixteen months to find a witness for the defendant, namely Lewis Kreydick. Let's not fight with phantoms here when Moreno tries to obfuscate the issue with pseudo-intelligent language. The exact same reasoning can be applied to the legal moves of the Sai Organisation: Why did it take sixteen months for the Sai Org. to declare Lewis Kreydick as a witness for the defence and/or take his deposition?


>> Such being the case, the claim that "important depositions were not able to be heard in court" is a blatant distortion of the truth and amounts to nothing less than prevarication. Why doesn't Sanjay provide us with court documents to back up this lie from JuST? The records are now public record. Where are the depositions or references to Payne, Roche or Conway? I would like to see them. <<

Er... what connections does Moreno have with this case? I wouldn't be so sure that the prosecuting witnesses calling was a "lie", but what investment does Moreno have with this case that we should inform him of developments? If Moreno (correctly) claims that the court records are now a matter of public availability, why does he contradict himself by asking to see court records that are "supposedly" hidden from the public?

I can bet money that Moreno would like to see them! Unfortunately, he has no reason to be privy to the case details unless and until he firmly and publicly declares his interests and investment(s) in this matter. The fact that he claims not to be a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba despite spending an inordinate amount of time and energy in defending him brings up very serious questions as to his suitability as a candidate.


>> Kreydick's deposition was/is a sworn, signed, legal court record which was taken with Brelsford present and offering objections. This deposition was intended to be used in the court case that Alaya self-dismissed just prior to the trial being heard and not long after Kreydick's deposition was taken. <<

Unfortunately, Moreno is making a facile argument again. I never questioned Kreydick's deposition as a sworn statement nor did I question it's probably inclusion and reference in the forthcoming trial. At the risk of repeating myself, I simply made the point as follows (which I made after the passage that Moreno quotes above and which he did not address):

"The other thing that nobody says is that the case was self-dismissed. Joe108 would like to tell people that this self-dismissal is connected to the taking of Kreydick's deposition. It is not. The two events were pure coincidence and nothing else. To say otherwise is to knowingly submit DISINFORMATION."

To put it simply, this refers to Moreno's insinuations that Alaya Rahm's case was "weak" and that he self-dismissed the case almost immediately after Kreydick's testimony was taken. The fact that these two events took place within a few days of each other does not confirm Moreno's insinuations, especially as we now know the real reason for the self-dismissal (the sliminess of the Sai Organisation's legal ploys).


>> Now, however, they claim they sued the wrong defendants in the wrong court and in the wrong country. <<

Pardon? Is Moreno getting a tad ahead of himself here? Where did the Rahms/JuST claim this?


>> No one can seriously rationalize that the Rahms (or their experienced trial lawyer) could have seriously believed that a USA court would have jurisdiction over Sathya Sai Baba as an individual defendant for events that were alleged to have occurred in India. <<

First, let me invite Moreno to clarify his contradictions. He first taunted people that Brelsford was an experienced trial lawyer who could see the "weaknesses" in Alaya's case. Earlier in his post he appeared to question Brelsford's experience. Now he affirms Brelsford's experience yet again! Pardon me, but I do think that a person like Brelsford would be amused to see the dogs yapping at his heels in their ignorance of his capabilities. Moreno will have to make up his mind. He will have to pick a position and stick with it: Is Brelsford a knowledgeable and experience trial lawyer or not?

The other thing with this troubling passage is that Moreno doesn't seem satisfied with Brelsford's experience (or not, pending his clarification) but even goes so far as to question the judge as well! After all, Brelsford (in the joint statement between the Rahms and JuST) states thus:

“The lawsuit against Sai Baba (individually) was dropped because the judge indicated in the initial court appearance that he did not wish to see us pursue a case against an out- of-country defendant that is not a signatory to the Hague Treaty. Sai Baba lives in India. California does not have reciprocal jurisdiction rights against an out-of-country defendant and we cannot utilize California state subpoena powers against an out-of- country defendant not subject to the powers of the Hague Treaty without pursuing the Letters Rogatory process. That process takes several years to complete and there is no guarantee Sai Baba would even respond to service of a subpoena once a subpoena was served. Which complicates matters even more. And given Sai Baba's age, there is no guarantee he would even be alive at the time we finally could have perfected service of a complaint, let alone a deposition subpoena.”

Consequently, if Moreno has a problem with this then he would be best advised to take it up with the judge. Perhaps if he is extra-keen to put all these issues to rest once and for all in a court of law, he may make a stab at initiating the Letters Rogatory Process. Assuming that he has the qualifications to do so in the first place.


>> If Alaya Rahm wanted to sue Sathya Sai Baba for money he needed to do so in India, not the USA. The actions against Sathya Sai Baba, Goldstein and the Sathya Sai Baba Society were not dismissed due to a "technicality". To the contrary, to have sued the wrong defendents in the wrong court and in the wrong country is an absurdity. So absurd, in fact, that it is incredulous that Alaya Rahm ever really intended to follow through with the suit. It appears that Alaya's lawsuit was a publicity stunt at best, judicial harrassment at worst. <<

We can note here that this typical statement represents yet another change in Moreno's reasoning and arguments. After first boasting and bragging that he was in possession of the case information, here is a typical statement from him (May 3rd, 2006) where he cannot contain his excitement and smugness:

"And it is much more than 'out in the open'. It's 'out in the open', fully documented on PUBLIC court records. Ouch. It's going to hurt and this information is going to significantly impact the broadcasting and the publishing of articles against Sathya Sai Baba. You can't argue with a Self-Dissmal. Can't blame the judge. Can't blame the system. The blame invariably comes down to a lack of evidence and crediblity. This is a bitter pill that Anti-Sai Activists are going to have a hard time swallowing. The fact they have suppressed this information and are refusing to publish it on their sites and blogs is proof enough."

To make it clear, Moreno was clearly confident of himself one day before he had posted any information about the case. Putting aside the fact that we knew about the self-dismissal significantly earlier than he did, it is interesting to see Moreno boasting about how the information would "prove" that the case lacked evidence and credibility. He was clearly overjoyed that the case had gone through due legal process and had been "proved" ineffectual as far as Sai Baba is concerned.

Now, when it suits the fella, he turns around and complains that the case should not have occurred in the USA but in India! It is a mystery as to where he acquired this ideas, certainly not from us! It is merely a restatement of his colleagues' (Lisa De Witt's) constant urgings that the cases must be filed in India. Why? Does India enact laws that would allow Alaya Rahm to claim money damages from Sathya Sai Baba? They must do, if Moreno appears to be urging Alaya to do so! We can put aside the fact that would form yet another contradiction for Moreno given the fact that he has also been boasting along these lines:

"This case was dismissed 'with prejudice' and is binding under the international doctrine of res judicata. This means that Alaya Rahm can never file another lawsuit against Sathya Sai Baba (in the USA or in India) for the same claims made in this case."

What a turnaround for Moreno! From first boasting that the case had gone through due process in court and "failed", to claims that he should have done it properly in the first place! Oh dear, and combined with his constantly dithering opinion of Brelsford's "experience" and consequent expertise in lawful matters, I think that it would be safe to say that Moreno would never make it as a lawyer or any other type of legal representative. :-) Perhaps he should first practice getting his story straight before insisting that others should do the same. That is the best advice that anyone can give, and I'm no lawyer. :-)

It's time to wipe away the eggs dripping from your faces.

>> Keep spinning Sanjay. Apparently, all you can do is repeat the lies dispersed by the Rahms and JuST like a trained parrot with no proof to back them up. <<

I do not need to spin anything. The statement speaks for itself. :-)

Sai Baba's Naughty Children.

Exbaba.com revising history and making more excuses
by Lisa De Witt
©2006LisaDeWitt

In a long-overdue statement regarding the failed Alaya Rahm lawsuit, Exbaba.com & Co. has managed once again to try and rewrite history and deceive those who are not familiar with the legal issues.

In their opening statement they claim,
"The case was heard by Judge John M.
Watson of the Superior Court, County of Orange, California, on April 28th, 2006.'"

Apparently someone forgot to inform the author of this article that the case was NOT heard by the judge because it was dismissed in April, more than two weeks before the trial was to start.

As if this weren't bad enough, the title of this article shows Exbaba.com & Co. cannot even get the name of the organization they are writing about correct! Yet, how critical Exbaba.com & Co. are of others perceived faults, oversights and indiscretions. However, this grand oversight is not surprising to those who know how sloppy this group has been with their historical facts.

Exbaba.com & Co. go on to state that the Rahm's attorney made the following statement.

"We were successful at the demurrer stage in establishing that a duty would be owed by the Society in the event they sponsored and/or endorsed the trips that Alaya went on when he was abused by Sai Baba. As it turns out, the Society is not the "hub" of all of Sai Baba's corporate activities. Rather, the Society, pursuant to declarations under penalty of perjury, confirmed they are a bookstore...nothing more. Accordingly, we do not have the necessary factual requirements to establish liability on the Society/Book center."

So, we are led to believe that Brelsford, a competent, experienced child abuse attorney FINALLY realized after a year long investigation or only as a result of a deposition that the Sathya Sai Baba Society was merely a bookstore and not an organization which could be sued? Holy Batman, what a revelation! Now they are hiding behind bookstores!

However, if one reads Kreydick's March 16 deposition, one might surmise that the Rahms led Brelsford to believe that the Sathya Sai Baba Society had paid for Alaya's trip to India and when the truth came out that Kreydick, a then family friend of the Rahm's had paid for the trip, Brelsford was left with egg on his face and no where to go but through the exit door..

Several online documents put Brelsford's alleged statement into question. The Sathya Sai Book Center does operate under the umbrella of the Sathya Sai Baba Society which is a non-profit corporation, NOT a bookstore.

According to a statement on sathyasai.org web site,

"The Sathya Sai Book Center of America is the official wholesale and retail distributor of Sathya Sai Baba literature in the United States, as authorized by Sathya Sai Baba in 1969. The Book Center operates within the jurisdiction of the Sathya Sai Baba Society, a non-profit corporation registered in the State of California."

The Sathya Sai Baba Society is also a vehicle set up to receive donations as evidenced by a recent online obituary.

"Donations may be made to the Sathya Sai Baba Society 305 West 1st Street Tustin California 92780, in William Altmann's name."

In an article titled, Hindu Diaspora and Religious Philanthropy in the United States,
Priya Anand describes the function of the Sathya Sai Baba Society.

"Members and devotees who wish to donate funds to projects in India are directed to the Sathya Sai Baba Society, a nonprofit corporation registered in the State of California. "The Sai organization does not solicit funds" says Mr Bob Bozzani, president of the Sathya Sai Baba Society of America. "However if anybody of their own accord wishes to donate money, we do not turn them away." The society is registered as a nonprofit with 501C(3) status and provides 100% tax exemptions to individuals who choose to donate money to the society, but this is not publicized. Any cash or checks received by the society are immediately sent to the Sathya Sai Central Trust..."

So one can easily see from online documents that the Sathya Sai Baba Society is not "just" a bookstore. It appears that Exbaba.com & Co. are attempting to distract from the fact that the Society could NOT be held liable for Alaya's trips because they, in FACT, had NOTHING to do with those trips.

But the excuses don't end there. Then Exbaba.com & Co. go on to state,

"No court found Alaya's allegations to be false. Simply, the suit could not continue on a technicality, and the claims of sexual abuse stand irrefutably true, just as before. The Sathya Sai Organization could take legal cover behind its bookstore."

In another attempt at reverse logic, the Exbaba crew conveniently forget that no court has EVER found the allegations to be "irrefutably" true and due process is the legal standard to be met, NOT media hype and propaganda from the questionable quarters that Exbaba & Co. live and breathe for. Their "believe me because I said so" mentality doesn't wash in the REAL world.

Then Exbaba.com & Co. attempt to go back into the past and rehash the usual unsubstantiated claims with much hand wringing, mudslinging and excuses as to why they are oh-so-powerless to find their way into a courtroom. They state,

"The Sathya Sai Organization has set itself up to avoid legal accountability and full public scrutiny. There is no legal entity in the United States against which a lawsuit demanding responsibility of Goldstein and other key directors of the Sathya Sai Society of America can be brought. The Organization's leaders will not truly investigate or let the lower echelon leadership and the rank-and-file members know the nature and seriousness of the accusations against Sai Baba. "


It seems to me that Exbaba.com & Co. has set itself up to avoid legal accountability and FULL public scrutiny. Exbaba.com & Co. just can't seem to get it through their heads (and stop trying to mislead the public while they are at it) that it is NOT the organization's duty to investigate "itself" regarding criminal allegations. That is law enforcement's job. It is the accuser's RESPONSIBILITY to file a criminal complaint in the appropriate jurisdiction. Not only that but ANYBODY can file a lawsuit against ANY person as long as they are within the statute of limitations, which most of the accusers AREN'T (due to their OWN suspicious negligence).

We are also led by Exbaba.com & Co. to believe that those in the Sai Baba organization are not being informed as to the allegations when we know this is patently false. How can those in the organization NOT know about the allegations when they have been called, email-bombed and sent letters from the mob of anti-Sai activists hungry for blood? On one hand, Exbaba..com & Co. are continually bragging and ranting about how membership has declined due to their "very successful" international media campaign yet now we are supposed to believe, "nobody in the org" is being informed. Will somebody PLEASE make up their mind?

The rest of the article is more of the same mudslinging, "feel-sorry-for-us-we-are-so powerless-against-the-fraud" and the big bad "ignorant" Indian government, racist-smelling drivel and propaganda from the powerless Exbaba.com & Co..

And finally, Exbaba.com & Co. attempts, once again, to gain sympathy by bringing up "poor" Alaya, the now 27 year old man who was "so traumatized" by Sai Baba that, after his interview at the age of eighteen, he begged for more interviews and went out giving public speeches lauding Sai Baba's love and spiritual powers. Alaya was so "traumatized" he even wrote Sai Baba a love poem.

I don't know about anyone else, but I could not STAND to be in the same room with my abuser after he molested me. I would run out of the building to get away from him.

Then Exbaba.com & Co. disingenuously state,
 
"Those who know Alaya and his family are satisfied that they have told the truth. Indeed, the penalty for lying to a court in the USA, a legal system which Alaya Rahm was every bit prepared to face, is severe!"

NOT everyone who "knows" Alaya and his family believe them. Many people who "know" them, such as Kreydick, do not believe them. I personally saw Al Rahm give a speech in the early-to-mid-nineties applauding Sai Baba for saving him from death in the Andies mountains. There is also a video of Al's talk (under the alias, Seral Rahm) being sold at Sai centers. Al and Marisa were selling their music tapes at the talk and Alaya was not there. I do not believe them because I have irrefutable direct personal experience that the Rahms have contradicted themselves. And WHERE is Alaya's deposition? I haven't seen it so I cannot be convinced that Alaya (or any other accuser) was prepared to face the consequences of lying. According to Exbaba.com & Co., not one of the accusers even made a deposition. We are supposed to take the word of accusers who claim to have such a strong case yet cannot even make it into a courtroom. Even I, a molestation victim (whose abuser is now deceased) at the age of thirteen do not believe Alaya. After almost four years of intensive research I do NOT believe ANY of the allegations withstand scrutiny.

Contrary to Exbaba.com & Co.'s hollow lip service regarding sensitivity toward molestation victims, this molestation victim has been harassed, vilified and lied to by Exbaba & Co.. for trying to tell the truth and nothing BUT the truth regarding the allegations set forth out of court by Sai Baba's accusers.

In order to believe Exbaba.com & Co., you not only have to revise history, you have to forget it completely.

References:

Alaya Rahm's Lawsuit vs Sathya Sai Society of America:
http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex_baba/engels/articles/alayarahm.htm

A Scathing Response by Joe Moreno:
http://www.sai-fi.net/z-alaya-rahm.shtml

Alaya Rahm Dismisses His Own Lawsuit
Against The Sathya Sai Baba Society:
http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/

Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?" The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."

Looks to me that Lisa De Witt's article (/m188), when first published online, was deemed so ridiculous that nobody bothered to even look at it. Even though it is right in front of me here, I haven't looked at it. That is because I am familiar with LDW's history and I know from experience that she very rarely states documented facts, does not address any of the pertinent issues, and is simply regurgitated propaganda. With a generous dash of conspiracy theory to spice up the meal.

Anyway, I wanted to state something for the record. As well as Gerald Moreno stating his inconsistent and contradictory propaganda everywhere, he has also been claiming that the Alaya Rahm court case was a failure. In this connection, I'd like to copy here a response to this point that I made elsewhere, just in case Moreno tries to play the same tricks here.


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Even funnier watching both Gerald Moreno and Lisa De Witt drive themselves up the wall about how the Alaya Rahm court case was a "failure".

How exactly was it a "failure"?

A "failure" can only be called as such if Alaya lost the case or if it was thrown out of court for some reason.

Neither of these things happened. Rather, Alaya SELF-DISMISSED (get that? SELF-dismissed) his case for extremely reasonable legal reasons; namely that the Sai Organisation is actually not an "organisation" and is thus not culpable for any legal claims made against it as such. This is an extremely embarrassing exposé for the Sai "Organisation" and will be a lot of fuel to our fire for years to come.

There is no question of the case being stood up for scrutiny because things did not get that far. This are just meaningless speculations and guesswork by devotees whose brains have melted. How can it be possible to speculate about a court case that never happened, much less declare it to be a "failure"?

We even know of how certain Sai leaders have been scrambling around writing letters to everybody to explain their NEW position with regards to legal culpability. But that's another story. :-)

In the meantime, expect Gerald Moreno and Lisa De Witt to continue their rabid drivel about a "failed" court case when it was anything BUT a failure. :-)

Edited by author 07-31-2006 12:22 AM
Yeah, Sanjay aka saiexposed420, we're all familiar with your sordid history too, i.e. admitting downloading child porn after I found your posts on ajesus porn site and lying about working for the Internet Watch Foundation. not to mention how you have continuously harassed Sai devotees for YEARS. Unfortunately for you this is ALL documented in saisathyasai.com so you can lie all you want about your perversions but your own words are now documented for the whole world to see.

The fact remains that MOST of the anti-Sais, like Sanjay, have major mental problems as a result of alcohol/drug abuse. The truth is coming out now about them and they are throwing hissy fits like you see Sanjay doing here. Sanjay's partner in crime, Tony O'Clery has been reduced to hiding behind other usernames spewing more of his foul-mouthed sexual perversions and lies that he is so well-known for. Joe has been documenting this on another blog so people can see how warped O'Clery is. These are the wackos that are attacking Sai Baba.


http://tony-oclery-exposed.blogspot.com/20...ality-disorder.html

Edited by author 07-31-2006 12:34 AM
Regarding Lisa's post (/m191):

Tony O'Clery Exposed

Sanjay Dadlani Exposed (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

It is amusing that Sai Baba EXPOSED" (aka Sanjay Dadlani) is trying to take a moral and ethical stand against Sathya Sai Baba when he has been fully exposed for his StreetBitches Blog, his Jesus Sex Fetish, his views on Child And Teen Pornography, his self-admitted Psychological Problems, his Views About Women, his self-admitted Drinking Problems, his Satanic Inclinations, his Shocking Confessions, his Long And Established History As A Pathological Liar, his apparent outward Denial Of His Own Guru Srila Prabhupada, his public Lie About Meeting Aghori Vimalananda, his Homoeroticism And Gender Confusion, and his Inability To Keep A Girlfriend.

This is the guy who is posting here, trying to deceive everyone into thinking he is rational and sober. He isn't.

Predictably (of course), Sanjay's typical responses will be that the debate is not about him, his character is not important and that he is going to refute my "lies" and "defamations" about him at some unknown future date. One will also notice how Sanjay resorts to long, rambling (and very boring) diatribes (as evidenced in his latest post: /m187) to water down the issue, discombobluate the reader and deflect from the core issues by making specious, half-baked arguments, citing no official court records, documents or scans to Brelsford's letters to support his comments.

Edited by author 07-31-2006 01:13 AM
Didn't take long for the ad-hominem attacks to start, did it? :-)

And in tandem too, wow we are honoured! :-) Tsk tsk, what a pity. And just when I thought that we were all actually here to discuss Sathya Sai Baba.


>> water down the issue, discombobluate the reader and deflect from the core issues by making specious, half-baked arguments, citing no official court records, documents or scans to Brelsford's letters to support his comments. <<


Er, sorry, but my points still stand. I have shown exactly how Gerald 'Joe' Moreno has been inconsistent and avoiding the core issues.

How ironic that Moreno speaks about specious and half-baked arguments when he is the one who focuses inordinately on why it took sixteen moths to find out that the Society was a bookstore, when the same reasoning can be applied to why it took the defendants sixteen months to find a defence witness who, by the way, is so obviously prejudiced in favour of Sai Baba that his testimony would have been ripped to shreds in court in all likelihood. :-)

And then let's not talk about Moreno's constant flip-flopping on the issue of Brelsford's "expertise" in legal matters. He just cannot make up his own mind on that. :-)

And then let's not talk about why Moreno appears to insist that every Sai devotee or serving officer in the Sai "Organisatio" should be privy to the details of the organisation's incorporation details. :-)

And then let's not discuss Moreno's points that betray his insufficient knowledge of psychology, and how psychology is not just restricted to descriptions about just "trauma". :-)

And then let's not discuss Moreno's knowingly disseminating DISINFORMATION by insinuating that the Rahm case was self-dismissed because of Kreydick's deposition. Not to mention his other disinformation about the court case is deemed as a "failure". :-)

Oh dear, I exposed so many of Moreno's avoidances and inconsistencies that it's getting too much just to recap them. Just read it all again: /m187. :-)

We can expect more of the same, and an increase in the ad-hominem attacks. :-) It just goes to show what depths devotees are dragged down to when they're losing the argument. :-)

P.S. And for the record, I have never downloaded child porn or viewed it any way, nor do I have any connections with child pornography. This malicious accusation has never been proven, but is always brought up (along with other malicious and distorted accusations) whenever devotees lose the argument. :-) Too bad that discussions with Sai Baba devotees almost always ends up with mudslinging on their part. They should perhaps go back to school and learn how to take part in a conversation/discussion/debate.

Sai Baba's Naughty Children.

Another garrulous reply from motormouth Sanjay. I have already responded to Anti-Sai Activist's response On This Separate Thread.

Since Sanjay claims to be so intimately familiar with Alaya's failed lawsuit, then he should have no problem getting scans to the court records that refute the points I made. Sanjay is arguing his case via prattle :-)

Unlike Sanjay (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"), I have given a full response to his posts against me: View My Full Response To Sanjay Kishore Dadlani's Defmatory Blog Posts Against Me.

It does not matter how long it took the defense to find a witness on their behalf. The fact remains that the defense did find a witness. During this same time-frame, the Plaintiff's side were unable to find (out of alleged "hundreds" of USA victims) even one single witness on Alaya Rahm's behalf. Not even one single deposition or affidavit was accepted on Alaya Rahm's behalf. Zero. Zilch. Now if Sanjay would like for others to take him seriously, he should provide us with scans to the public court record that refute these claims. He has not provided any scans to any court record, documents or letters to support his views against my comments.

Sanjay has yet to provide any court records or documents that support the LIES that Alaya's case was "was heard by Judge John M. Watson of the Superior Court, County of Orange, California, on April 28th, 2006", that Conway, Payne or Roche were identified by the court as witnesses or were not allowed to submit depositions, that William Brelsford was "working against a statute of limitations deadline" when Alaya dismissed his case, etc., etc.

Alaya's objective was to sue the Society for money damages. He self-dismissed his lawsuit before it went to trail. Now Sanjay might not see this as a "failure", but I do. Alaya failed in his objective. The Society was fully prepared to go to court. The Society never wavered or budged once inch. The society never caved in. Alaya did. Period. End of argument.

Furthermore, I do not need to endlessly engage myself with a fully exposed pervert who happens to be a pathological lair.

Exposing "SaiBabaExposed", Sanjay Kishore Dadlani

Namaste,

Yes I was present when Danny gave sb his Australian Passport in an
envelope, TWICE , over a period of time. sb was known to help people
extend their visas if they went to a devotee policeman in Anantapur.
sb just gave it him back twice!!!Although in an Aussie interview he
gave him one of those alloy rings of Saraswati, indicating he was a
devotee of the Goddess.

So in the end sb let him go to jail and be deported from India for
loving him too much. Daniel Valentine Grier was betrayed by sb his
guru.

Do you know why John left the hospital and ashram? I'll give you
another chance to show us you knew him. Also John and his assistant
had a hands energising session, at different times!!!!

Plus I will post a url to my article on the orange lodge so the
world can see what liars and distorters lisa simon and joe
are...Tony. Would you guys like to see a photo of me with sb to
prove my visits to the ashram?

Hi,
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Thank you,

Sheila

who is the administrator?

how is that peple like joe 108 do not reply to people like me.Is it convenience. Well now they will immediately tell me to reveal my identity.
That is the easiest way. How about the ex.baba .com videos showing baba cheating his "materialisations" If you want me to reveal my identity please you show me by doing it yourself.Afterall you are a Devotee and BaBa will save you.
Do you have the guts

You must be asleep or drunk usedbybaba. I replied to your post a long time ago and you ran away. Additionally, if you were paying attention you would have known that Joe has posted the link to his website numerous times and his name is ALL over his website. You are obviously not the brightest crayon in the box. I think it's funny that you are hiding behind an anonymous name whining about other people hiding! Sorry abusbybaba, like I said before, it's obvious you are a liar and a game player. You have not stated even ONE specific that can be corroborated. When asked by gr8sink you ran away like a coward too. Criminal allegations are to be addressed in court. We can't help it if you anti-Sais are so cowardly that you think the internet is going to get you anywhere with your continuous lies.

u cannot abuse me and try to make me angry and divert the attention. What answer? even now u just abused me and not answered me.
  "asleep or drunk usedbybaba " "not the brightest crayon in the box" I am not a cryon but baba is ,After all he is red.
  none of u told me why babas date of birth is wrong in his school register at uravakonda.
  I also asked you about the ex.baba videos showing him cheating his materilisations and u have no answer. of course u will just send me an abuse mail and get away with it. I know u do not want to know the truth.
  now tell me who is hiding from the truth.
  when i went away i did mention it and i came back.
  By the way why is joe not answering. now u can hide and he will answer. he now would not come to the point .
   
   
  
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Abusedfor15Years/UsedByBaba, feel free to contact me by email. Relevant information can be found on my Contact Page . All of your questions (as far as I can see) have already been answered on my site. I have no problem assisting you navigate my site for answers to your questions. However, it is clear that you oppose Sathya Sai Baba and no amount of reasoning is going to convince you otherwise. So why should I uselessly engage you here? Approach me in a true spirit of enquiry, and you will have my full attention and consideration.

SaiSathyaSai.com

First of all thank you for not using abusive language. I just saw your web site. I agree with you that there are christian organisations that are working against baba.But are you saying that i should forget what happened to me.believe me iam not one of these guys.I am a very stuanch hindu bordering on fanatism. Just answer these
  1. When baba made me do the blow job. i was confused and slowly understood that he was a homo.For that matter he did not want me to write to him as Sai Mother. 2.Will you allow it to happen to you or your kith and kin
  3.All the names mentioned in ex.baba .com of the student victims are 100% true 4.i lived with these guys.Nithyanand menon was a malayalee warden Radhakrishnanan who died on the june 6th incident had a brother calle ravishankar and they are from ooty. 5.Diwakar muthukrishna the person who molested small boys is now married to radhakrishna's sister and he is the adopted on of Dr.Kamla.his parents are from srilanka and australia (one from each country. 6.with so much you still want to believe that iam a lier.
  7.Who else you want to know about.
  8.What about Aswath narayana the jeweller from Anantapur.
   
  The fact is I have gone through these experiences and none of you have including thse from ex.baba Let us not be blind to the facts.
  tell me u have not answered my first question
  why is babas date of birth wrong in his school records.
  i don't think you will give me any logical answer, afterall iam not your brother. go close topeople who have sufferd and then talk.
  Atleast iam able to mail people.
  Hundreds have suffered because of his sexual exploits and nobody who has not experienced it can ever ever deny it. The pain i went through when i read some articles, irememberd my suffering. Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible. i was trying to justify it for a long time. but my consience did not permit it. Hey i recently met a jeweller who told me tha a close devotee of baba bought a lot of jewels from his shop a few years back before going to parthi
   
   
  

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Edited by author 09-06-2006 11:25 AM
Re /m201:

"Approach me in a true spirit of enquiry, and you will have my full attention and consideration."

Unbelievable, isn't he?

How long have we been asleep that we suddenly wake up and find that Gerald Moreno (Joe108) rules the world? Why should anybody approach him in a "true spirit of enquiry" as if he has become an expert on Sai Baba or something? Who cares for his "full attention and consideration" when he has been continually exposed as engaging in stalking behaviour, even going as far as to create a number of hateful blogs against several former devotees of SSB who now assist in the worldwide campaign to expose him?

He has recently been classed as a "f*****g wackjob" on a neutral forum by people who know next to nothing about the whole Sai Baba controversy. This is significant because it represents the latest episode in a long line of embarrassing exposures of Gerald Moreno, given that he has been ridiculed and humiliated on almost every neutral site that he seeks to spread his gospel of Sai Baba's innocence. Only very recently, he was kicked out of the same forum three times for stalking behaviour, ending up with a ban. For the record, he was there for the sole purpose of stalking me.

In the last three days, I have already exposed him as a pathological liar in an episode where he pretended to be almost completely naive about how blogs work. This may be unrelated to SSB as such, but I recognise it as the latest in a long line of lies. Now he is trying to pass himself off as some sort of "expert" on Sai Baba, arrogantly and conceitedly behaving as someone who should be respected enough to be approached in a "true spirit of enquiry". What stinking hypocrisy!

There is no use in replying (/m194) to his asinine and rambling ridiculous posts, especially when he is documented on many occasions as wriggling out and away from tough questions/points that he cannot answer. He cannot even employ simple logic in the case of Alaya Rahm, so how can one expect him to address other matters separately? Recenly he has even stated that the Joint Statement of JuST and the Rahm family (/m158) was authored by one person! Where was the proof to support this statement? Don't ask Joe108, he doesn't have any! :-)

Who am I talking about? Gerald 'Joe' Moreno.

Sai Baba EXPOSED!

Sai Baba EXPOSED (aka Sanjay Dadlani) has been fully exposed for Satanic Inclinations, his Shocking Confessions, his Long And Established History As A Pathological Liar, his outward Denial Of His Own Hare Krishna Guru - Srila Prabhupada, his public Lie About Meeting Aghori Vimalananda, his Homoeroticism And Gender Confusion, his Inability To Keep A Girlfriend, his Pseudo-Devotee Posturing, his He-Man Inspired God Concept, his Lies About Being A Vegetarian, his weird claim that He Was Dying, his amusing Belief That Semen Can Be Sucked Up From The Testicles, Via The Spine, To The Brain and his Suicidal And Self-Injurious Statements.

Unbelievable, isn't he?

Sanjay Dadlani Exposed

Oh yeah, Sai Baba EXPOSED has also been fully exposed for his StreetBitches Blog.

Facts Regarding Sathya Sai Baba's Multiple Birth-Dates.

The source for the second birthdate is referenced from LIMF. However, in LIMF, they explain why the birthdate is different:

""Sathya's date of birth in school records, however, is recorded as the 4th of October 1929 - and not the traditionally recognized date of the 23rd of November 1926. Talipineni Kesappa, son of Talipineni Ramappa maintains that Sathya was one year senior to him at school; therefore, Kesappa's date of birth being 11th of June 1927, Sathya's year of birth definitely is 1926. It has long been a practice in the schools to record a date of birth as being much later than the 'actual' date of birth - in order to facilitate career prospects. Sathya's parents wanted Sathya to become an educated officer. This, possibly could be the reason for the discrepancy. In addition, in 1926, people in remote villages like Puttaparthi, in pre-independent India, were not very particular about dates and birth registration was done much later."

This information, of course, is withheld from Anti-Sai Sites. Along with the fact that 10 (out of 12 names) were listed as having the exact same birthdate. This proves that the birthdates listed on the school records were wholly inaccurate. Therefore, no one can conclusively say that the birthdate given for Sathya Sai Baba on the school records is accurate or true.

SaiSathyaSai.com

Trust Gerald Moreno (/m204 and /m205) to continue not addressing any of the issues and to continue using this forum as a shaky soapbox for his fetid mental speculations. Even after he has been exposed as a rumbunctious liar, he continues to behave like an authority on Sai Baba.

The facts are thus: Moreno claims NOT to be a devotee of Sai Baba, but spends almost ALL of his time and creating vcarious websites, yahoogroups and blogs in defence of him. Go figure. :-)

Re /m206:

What Gerald Moreno forgets to tell everybody is that the birthdate of 4.10.29 is not just found on the records of one school, but in the three schools that Sathyanarayana Raju attended as a boy. You will not find Moreno divulging this information because he does not have a copy of LIMF, unlike other people. :-)

Furthermore, the whole argument rests on the testimony of a certain "Talipenni Kesappa" who claims that Raju was one year senior to him. He has almost certainly passed away by now and is not accessible for further interviewing. The whole argument rest son his testimony and devotees/critics are free to believe or disbelieve it as they choose. The fact remains that documents from three schools all list Raju's (Sai Baba's) birth-date as 4.10.29.

If one wants to argue that this was a "common practice" to enable Raju to get a government job by "looking younger", this does not hold water. Raju was 14 years old at the time he threw his books away and left school. If you want to get technical, he was 13 by Western standards. Consequently, Raju was "young enough" to get any damn job he wanted and there was NO NEED to make a pretence of being younger.

Thirdly, what is meant by "government officer"? Raju belonged to a family of Raju-kshatriyas who had disavowed their military calling in favour of pursuing the arts. By all reckonings of caste consideration, this made them "lower caste" Kshatriyas than normal. Raju's elder brother, Seshama, was a schoolteacher. In pre-Independence India, being a schoolteacher was a respectable job, probably as respectable as you can get, but still Seshama was no government officer. The ambitions of the Raju family to catapult their son with the queer behaviour into the offices of the government was very strange and lofty indeed. Don't be so flaming ridiculous.

And lastly, what's all this nonsense about backward villagers in backwoods villages not being particular with dates? They listed the same birthdate with three different schools. That sounds pretty particular to me!

Thus the whole argument collapses. :-)

I do not have to defend myself against an self-admitted pervert, stalker, pathological liar and drunk!

Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka Sai Baba Exposed) has been fully exposed for his StreetBitches Blog, his Jesus Sex Fetish, his views on Child And Teen Pornography, his self-admitted Psychological Problems, his Disturbing Views About Women, his self-admitted Drinking Problems, his Satanic Inclinations, his Shocking Confessions, his Long And Established History As A Pathological Liar, his outward Denial Of His Own Hare Krishna Guru - Srila Prabhupada, his public Lie About Meeting Aghori Vimalananda, his Homoeroticism And Gender Confusion, his Inability To Keep A Girlfriend, his Pseudo-Devotee Posturing, his He-Man Inspired God Concept, his Lies About Being A Vegetarian, his weird claim that He Was Dying, his amusing Belief That Semen Can Be Sucked Up From The Testicles, Via The Spine, To The Brain.

Sanjay Dadlani Exposed

Sanjay, this is the response you are going to get from now on to all of your posts. There is no arguing with a person who fantasizes about slicing his flesh with razors and licking the barrel of gun before blowing his brains out! That is exactly what you claimed on your former killuminati blog (the one you deleted then restored in an attempt to cover your tracks).

Better spend more time fantasizing about Lord Krishna's bulging biceps and He-Man's muscular body and "good looks". Not to talk about publicly sharing your dreams in which you want to have sex with a prostitute! Have you no shame? No need to reply because you will get this response again :-)

Oh dear, looks like Joe108 is stumped in his "defence" of Sai Baba yet again. :-) Looks like Sai Baba is also in trouble too, since his borth-dates cannot be explained away so easily. :-)

Freestone, since Joe108 (Gerald Moreno) has threatened to disrupt discussions on this board with his slanderous and defamatory (not to mention irrelevant) spam, I hope that you will step in to do the necessary; either deleting such spam-posts or banning the instigator altogether.

Disruptive people should not be allowed to disrupt discussions. People should not be prevented from engaging in open discussion due to the disruptive behaviour of a mischievious few.

Thanks for the reply
  But are u not contradicting yourself in giving two different replys. you yourself said 'In addition, in 1926, people in remote villages like Puttaparthi, in pre-independent India, were not very particular about dates and birth registration was done much later."
If that is the case why is it considered 23 november.I don't know whether i told you. Rathnakar, son of janakiramiyah (Baba's brother) told me that all dates were fake including his father's.supposed to be in may. I tell you that everything written about baba's birth is concocted. He was not born in the siva temple area.He was born in Karnata nagepalli on the other side of chitravathi and his uncle was the one who helped in eshwaramma's labour pains.
  I even heard that sai baba killed an old man in the hills and took his mantra book (sort of magic spell books) and became succesful but pesonaly i do not believe.
  His elder brother"s grand children claim that even he had some powers.
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Abusedfor15years, you said exactly what I was just about to say today! :-)

If Moreno/Padmanabhan (author of LIMF) want to hold that 4.10.29 is an inaccurate date due to the inaccurate time-keeping by backwoods villagers, then this argument also applies to 23rd Nov 1926. :-)

At the very least, we can say that 4.10.29 is the "official" date because it is in Sai Baba's documented school records. Not just the records from one school, but all three of the schools Raju attended. :-)

As for your other claims regarding Raju's birth in Karnatanagapalli, yes, it is all true. :-)

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Thanks Sheila. I hope you'll forgive me for wondering if the message was written by a real person or some kind of spambot, but what does this have to do with Sai Baba?

Regarding Sai Baba's official/unofficial birthdates: I should add that in ONE of the three school records for Raju, his DOB was mistakenly listed as 4/10/1939. This was corrected as 4/10/29, and it's right there in the original school record.

Still sounds pretty particular for me, for a bunch of backward villagers from a backwoods village who supposedly don't care much for registering birthdates accurately. :-)

The fact that you are not answering me anymore shows a lack of valid points to argue.I know that u are wrong and u also know that .
or just answer my question. Why the school records show adifferent date of birth. i know your answer.Abuse and get away.
As far as the murders are concerned BABA orderd the killings through Joga Rao
The person who heard the conversation is very close to me and even now a devotee. I do not want to mention his name.you are hiding behind a news broadcaster whereas i am talking out of my own knowledge.
You escaped from the date of birth controversy. Now tell me, the official records don't report that devotees killed the four who entered baba's chamber.
It says the inspector who shot these 4 is absconding,but the actual fact is
he was in Staff quarters for months together, maybe an year.
now why don't you answer the official record.
i know what you will do " abuse me " or say that you don't know about the official record or better than that Just keep quite
please answer point by point.
the third question about materialisations that are shown in ex.baba.com
what about them

the questions that are poste are for joe and Lisa

abusedbyababa, you are arguing you case via heresay. Anyone can claim they heard something from someone and repeat it as the truth. Neither you or anyone else can provide proof, evidence or first-hand testimonies from anyone with an verfiable, full name. Until you do, this conversation is going to go nowhere.

The school records are wholly inaccurate. Neither you or "Sai Baba Exposed" (aka Sanjay Kishore Dadlani) responded to the issue of exact birthdates shared by 10 out of the 12 individuals listed in the school records. There is only one way to get a certified date of birth for Sathya Sai Baba: obtain his passport. But even then people will not accept it. The doubters will continue to doubt. The debaters will continue to debate. And heresay, rumors and gossip will continue to be perpetuated ad nauseam.

You are looking for a debate. I am interested in verifiable facts. Supply them for me and then we will talk. Otherwise, I will not respond to what I see as rumors, gossip and untruths. If someone made criminal allegations against you on the internet, there is little doubt that you would demand dates, names and verifiable first-hand information to defend yourself. Since you (and others like you) are making criminal allegations against Sathya Sai Baba, the burden of proof is on you. Supply it or you will get more silence from me.

great
If i tell u that i was there during this malee and if my close friend tells me what happened should i believe my own experience or yours. Hey it is not one day that i lived in this place. more than a deacade.I do not want to tell
details lest i reveal my identity.i have actually recognised people by the incidents that htey mention in this site and i don't want to do the same .
As far as the birthday celebrationis concerned why shoud ther be contradictions in an Avatar's birth date. so many confusions.How many times have you been to parthi..You don't seem to have been there often.
I know nearly 99% of the student victims mentioned in exbaba.com
I have personally experienced all these nonsense. By the way u did not answer my "materilisations" charge. is it too obvious that it is cheating.
anyone who wants to know the truth has to see these videos.
Attcking sanjay dalani will not solve my disbelief. i have neve seen him.
and his arguments will never help me,for i have lived there and i know how even todayu boy are suffering there. They are for eg., turned into homosexuals and they inturn destroy the smaller boys. Sick place.now the school teachers look at every single boy with this in mind wating for a homosexual to appear in every single person. My GOD Sick to the core.I really pity those students who are victimised. Look at how the past students charge Diwakar muthukrishna of molesting them.Poor guy he was first a victim of BABa and he did not know how to take it out.How could he have told his mother about these things and how to decide whether what he was doing was wrong or not. I really feel from my heart for all these guys who were completely destroyed Pshycologically. i remember reading a mail in ex.baba of a boy who said his marriage life is gone.Who the bloody hell was
responsible but that pervert,murderer BABA and those who refuse to see the truth.Oh there are some ba***rd parents who do not trust their own child. Can't you make out my anguish and outporings .My God.
Answer my questions
1.Janakiramiah's childern are millioniares.How?
2.Why did Baba never talk to his elder brother.
3.Who was the police inspector who killed the four people.
4.How did they get permission at mid night to kill these people.
5.Why did BaBA change his residence.
6.What has happened to the case now?
7.I can ask many more but i know you or anyone supporting baba will nnot have the answer.
8. What happened to Kumar the watch man ? Why was he murdered?
9.Why did BABA not save Kutumb Rao? He actually told him that his cancer is cancelled.
10 He declared that he would become different after his 60th birthday.
HE IS A CHEAT AND MURDERER AND if you read this i know you will just question the validity of my statements.My confidence and my sincerity can be seen by those who want to see and not those who refuse to see.
That is my validity.
I will keep telling people that BABA is a cheat of the highest order

People who have financial interests in the Baba kingdom continuing will never
agree to what we victims say.that is the reason thst old student victims don't open their mouth.Bab has grown too big and is supported by lots of politicians.One more news: Baba always used to tell us to vote for congress then I don't know what he is doing now after the death of his brother the congress man

Edited by author 09-09-2006 07:35 PM
Re /m219:

Since Gerald 'Joe' Moreno (Joe108) has mentioned me in his post, I will reply to the point. After that, we will see who is silent, or who responds by posting slanderous and defamatory (irrelevant) material against opponents. :-)

>> The school records are wholly inaccurate. Neither you or "Sai Baba Exposed" (aka Sanjay Kishore Dadlani) responded to the issue of exact birthdates shared by 10 out of the 12 individuals listed in the school records. <<

Probably because Gerald did not ask for comment. :-) If Gerald seeks comment on this point then he must specifically ask for it. He cannot just post a link to his webpage and expect us to read it. Some of us don't bother reading his website and/or his rabid defences of Sathya Sai Baba. :-)

Now that he has brought up this point, we can address it. The scanned record shows four individuals sharing the same birthdate of 1.7.34 and three sharing the date of 1.7.35. other individuals with differing birth years share the same birthdate of 1st July. Gerald takes issue with this and, on the sole basis of this assumption of impracticality, asserts that Sathyanaran Raju's birthdate of 4.10.29 is inaccurate. It is clear that some backwoods school administrative clerk was too lazy to fill in the correct birthdates of the children and just gave them all the same birthdate with a few changes of year. Either that, or these questionable dates come directly from the villagers who just randomly selected a birth year to get their children in the school. Backward villagers in backwoods villages are not fussy about dates, fair enough. :-)
However, the same logic does not apply to Sathyanarayan Raju (Sathya Sai Baba). His birthdate is way off from any of the others, making him the second oldest child in that classs even if the classmates' birthdates are faked.

Gerald queerly complains that his points have not been addressed, but he has not responded to the assertion that no less than three school records for Sathya Sai Baba contain the same birthdate of 4.10.29! Gerald's problem is that his whole argument rests on the school record of the Bukkapatnam school, when we have school records for two other schools that the young Sathya Sai Baba attended. Guess what? They also confirm 4.10.29 as his date of birth. :-)
As a matter of fact, in one of those records Raju's birthdate was mistakenly listed as 4.10.39, and the record itself contains a noted correction to 4.10.29. So Gerald's argument completely collapses. :-)

Gerald simply does not know any of these things. His words are a mere puff of smoke. He does not have access to the other two pieces of evidence that confirm that 4.10.29 is the birthdate, which again collapses his other argument about "not being particular with dates". One piece of evidence even has the date spelled out: "fourth october, nineteen twenty-nine". :-) Even when a mistake (1939) was obviously made, someone sure took pains to correct it. :-)

If he wants evidence of all this then he will just have to wait. We have bigger projects on our minds right now. :-) In the meantime, he can contemplate the glaring holes in his fallacious arguments and ruminate upon them, thinking up some more novel ways to defend his fraud master.

Edited by author 09-09-2006 07:54 PM
I forgot to respond to some other points brought up by Joe108 (Moreno) about the birthdate controversy (/m219):

>> There is only one way to get a certified date of birth for Sathya Sai Baba: obtain his passport. But even then people will not accept it. The doubters will continue to doubt. The debaters will continue to debate. And heresay, rumors and gossip will continue to be perpetuated ad nauseam. <<

I'm afraid that Gerald is in error yet again. A passport does not prove a birthdate as authentic. One of my own family members is officially older than they actually are, and their "official" birthdate is hugely different from their real one. We often joke that this relative is like the Queen of England, having a "real" birthday and an "official" birthday. The fact remains that passports are not verification of an authentic birthdate.

Gerald forgets that his fraud master lives in a third-world country, where anything can be gained for the right price. What do you think Sai Baba's passport might say? 23.11.26 of course, and Sai Baba would probably not even have to buy that date as his own since nobody would even bother to question it now. The only documented evidence for Sai Baba's birthdate are the three school records and all of them are unanimous on 4.10.29 being the correct date, one even spelling it out for people who may be thick. I'll be taking questions now. :-)


>> You are looking for a debate. I am interested in verifiable facts. Supply them for me and then we will talk. Otherwise, I will not respond to what I see as rumors, gossip and untruths. If someone made criminal allegations against you on the internet, there is little doubt that you would demand dates, names and verifiable first-hand information to defend yourself. Since you (and others like you) are making criminal allegations against Sathya Sai Baba, the burden of proof is on you. Supply it or you will get more silence from me. <<

Gerald's sense of arrogance, narcissism, conceit and grandiosity knows no bounds! We might have to repeatedly remind him that he is not authorised to defend Sai Baba by any Sai organisation authority least of all Sai Baba himself (his own statement). He claims that he is not a devotee and therefore has no investment in Sai Baba's long-term status. He is just a weird person with lots of time on his hands and nothing else to do, that's why he has taken all of this on his drooping shoulders in a desperate bid to seek attention. And to top it all off, he himself was "oiled" by Sai Baba. So go figure.

And suggesting/asserting that Sathya Sai Baba was born in a different date is not a criminal allegation. He cannot even answer any of the points (/m220) because he doesn't know anything. Perhaps we don't even care if Gerald chooses to remain silent, because that is how things should be. :-)

Abusedfor15years, I would be grateful to hear your account of why Sai Baba changed his residence after the events of 6th June 1993 (murder). I have some theories of my own but I would like to hear another viewpoint, so if you could kindly explain that for me thank you.

I also find it interesting how you mention Seshama Raju (Sai Baba's elder brother) did not talk to him. Would you mind giving details about that too?

Some years ago I came across a testimony from a person (now a spiritual guru in his own right) who met Sai Baba in his youth (the guy, not SB) and even spoke to Seshama Raju. According to him, Seshama believed that what his younger brother was doing was wrong. :-)

The reason why baba changed was because he is scared.$ people died in his roomor shall i say murdered and two more by the intruders in the ground floor. But this bum sends two students every day to sleep in the balcony of the first floor. I do not want to tell u details here for there are certian things only i was told by another peson and he would recognise me. As far as Seshama raju is concerned ,the brothers were jelous of each other.
  they would not see eye to eye.Seahama raju could not oppose BABA because BABA was rich and he would lose whatever benifits he was getting.His grandson Phani kumar (now i remember the name) use to lament how his grandfather was also gifted with "powers". BABA would rarely talk to seshamaraju's children and grand children. His favorite was Rathnakar, Janakiraman's son. and then came his sister's children and grand children. Typical cheap family politics

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As I said before, all speculation, rumor and gossip. No proof, no evidence, no first-hand testimonies from anyone with a verfiable name. No nothing! Just long, rambling diatribes making all sorts of assertions. In other words, just more of the same.

Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka Sai Baba Exposed) has been fully exposed for his StreetBitches Blog, his Jesus Sex Fetish, his views on Child And Teen Pornography, his self-admitted Psychological Problems, his Disturbing Views About Women, his self-admitted Drinking Problems, his Satanic Inclinations, his Shocking Confessions, his Long And Established History As A Pathological Liar, his outward Denial Of His Own Hare Krishna Guru - Srila Prabhupada, his public Lie About Meeting Aghori Vimalananda, his Homoeroticism And Gender Confusion, his Inability To Keep A Girlfriend, his Pseudo-Devotee Posturing, his He-Man Inspired God Concept, his Lies About Being A Vegetarian, his weird claim that He Was Dying, his amusing Belief That Semen Can Be Sucked Up From The Testicles, Via The Spine, To The Brain.

Sanjay Dadlani Exposed

you have enough names but do not have the heart or may be courage to accept.Why should i reveal my name? i am not a fool and don't expect me to be one.When i started this discussion a few days back i told u that u will hide behind the argument that u don't know my name and u are doing the same now.If i tell u my name u will want my photo ,my college certificates my proof of address, my lenieage and my present physical address and what not? i told u that in the official verson of the murders ( don't tell me i am obliged to prove even that) the inspector is absconding.Is it not BABA's responibility as a citizen (leave alone being an"Avatar")to see justice is done.He is supposed to uphold dharma as an Avatar. There is a black hole called karma theory because of which he need not have saved Radhakrishnan,Sai Kumar mahajan (a very innocent kid and only child to their parents) Oh ,i know KARMA theory. In that case all the proponents of Karma theory can give their life for Sai Baba the scoundrel.I am here to warn people that i have lost a lot in my life due to this bastard and i don't want more people to suffer my fate.Atleast i have a forum to share my views and i am thankful to the moderators and all those involved with this yahoo group Those who want to keep falling at Baba's feet can do it at their own peril. Shiv khera of you can win famous says that closed minded people will always refuse to see the truth and i am seeing that here.They will not grow and will not allow others to grow.Look at the case of Prof .Kuppuswamy, his wife died of hammeorage when he fought with Hanumanthappa tha V.C of SSSIHL.Now i don't know how he is living His father-in-law is blaming him and SaiBaba.May God bless him. I really feel for him. Hey new commers .Don't be pig headded,listen to what i am saying and save yourself. If you don't believe me check it up for yourself without being emotional.Once you are in the whirlpool of being a ardent devotee u re gone for good,unless u are lucky like me.

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Edited by author 09-10-2006 08:34 PM
Re /m226:

As fully expected, Gerald Moreno (Joe108) has nothing to say in the fact that ALL evidence points to the fact that Sai Baba's birthdate is 4.10.29 and not 23.1.26. He even shoots himself in the feet with this:

>> all speculation, rumor and gossip. No proof, no evidence, no first-hand testimonies from anyone with a verfiable name. No nothing! Just long, rambling diatribes making all sorts of assertions. In other words, just more of the same. <<

Speculation? Rumour? Gossip? Proof? Evidence? Didn't I already say that three pieces of documented evidence points to the 4.10.29 birthdate? If Gerald wants to look at this evidence then he will just have to wait. As I said before, he can sit quietly and contemplate the glaring holes in his fallacious arguments and ruminate upon them, thinking up some more novel ways to defend his fraud master. LOL, he cannot even answer the points about passports, nor can he explain why he is so interested in defending SSB despite claiming not to be a devotee. It doesn't get much weirder than this fella! :-)

And as is typical of this fella, he chooses to spend his time misusing the purpose of this site by abusing other posters. Two can play at that game.

Find out all about Gerald Moreno being oiled by Sathya Sai Baba, his slandering of a variety of former devotees, his own confession to being on the brink of insanity twice, his "convenient" changes from non-devotee to ex-devotee, his flip-flopping on Sai Baba's molesting of little boys, his humiliating defeat on the Guruphiliac blog, his strange fascinations with faecal waste material and anuses, his self-conception as a garden weed covered in animal excrement, his affiliation with ex-porn stars who make sick pornographic scenes of urination and simulated eating of excrement, his disturbing dreams about stalking me at night which unmasks his suppressed homosexuality: Naughty Children: Gerald 'Joe' Moreno.

And that's not even counting the sexual abuse, murders, lying about concealing his IP, exposed for faking emails to former devotees, having his "FAQ" blown apart (this guy thinks he is SO important that he has an FAQ!), his sound thrashing form the JuST group, and last but NOT least, the COMPLETE EXPOSURE of his shameless paedophile accusations against a respectable former devotee.

Does it end there? Certainly not! There is TONS more that you don't know about this puppet of Sai Baba's that is waiting to be revealed.

Gerald, feel free not to respond. :-) I will match all of your silly tactics with even more information about you that is due to be published. If you are going to act like an idiot in public, you may as well get humiliated even more than you already have been. Painfully so. :-)

Ityalam.

Hi Abusedfor15years,

there is no use in wasting time talking to someone who admitted that he was on the brink of insanity twice. Even though he is speaking about birthdates, here is what he said that gives us an insight into the way his mind works:

>> There is only one way to get a certified date of birth for Sathya Sai Baba: obtain his passport. But even then people will not accept it. The doubters will continue to doubt. The debaters will continue to debate. And heresay, rumors and gossip will continue to be perpetuated ad nauseam. <<

In the same way, we can come up with countless proofs of Sai Baba's homosexual paedophilia, involvement in murders and the like (as we already HAVE done), but puppets like him who do not have a brain of their own will "not accept it. [He] will continue to doubt. [He] will continue to debate. And heresay, rumors and gossip will continue to be perpetuated ad nauseam."

He also told you:

>> However, it is clear that you oppose Sathya Sai Baba and no amount of reasoning is going to convince you otherwise. So why should I uselessly engage you here? Approach me in a true spirit of enquiry, and you will have my full attention and consideration. <<

Ha ha ha ha ha. And in exactly the same way, it is clear that Gerald (Joe108) devotedly defends Sathya Sai Baba and no amount of reasoning (or even plain common sense) will convince him otherwise. Consequently there is no use in uselessly engaging him. He is a troll who needs regular feeding. Let him starve to death, we will carry on publicising the truth, isn't it funny how lots of newspapers and TV stations listen to us?

Edited by author 09-12-2006 10:34 PM
Been a long while since I posted updates on my blog, so I thought readers here might like to take note of the following recent articles on my blog:

- Black Magic Rape
- Sai Devotee Sums Up Terrorism (connected to Terrorism Failures and Devotee Reactions)
- Elephants Never Forget
- Electronic Karma
- Yajna For All Humanity and Sai Devotees and their Rudra Yajna
- Questions & Answers from Indonesia
- Sai Baba: Feeling The Heat
- Dog-Face Boy
- ACADEMIC CITATION Of Sai Baba Homosexual Paedophilia!
- Prostitution In Puttaparthi
- Mahaprabhu Boo-Boo
- Sai Baba: The SEX Files
- Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Brainwashing
- Sai Baba: The Terrorist Connections

Whew! That's a lot of updates, and those are just the best articles (in my opinion) that have been publishe don my blog lately. In any case they should provinde some food for thought and hopefully some interesting discussion.

Good time to update links to my blogs as well:

Sanjay Dadlani Exposed (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"
- Sanjay's StreetBitches Blog
- Sanjay's Jesus Sex Fetish
- Sanjay's Views On Child And Teen Pornography
- Sanjay's Psychological Problems
- Sanjay's Disturbing Views About Women
- Sanjay's Drinking Problems
- Sanjay's Satanic Inclinations
- Sanjay's Shocking Confessions
- Sanjay's Long And Established History As A Pathological Liar
- Sanjay, The Hare Krishna Wannabee
- Sanjay's Lie About Meeting Aghori Vimalananda
- Sanjay's Homoeroticism And Gender Confusion
- Sanjay's Inability To Keep A Girlfriend
- Sanjay's Pseudo-Devotee Posturing
- Sanjay's Amusing He-Man Inspired God Concept
- Sanjay's Lies About Being A Vegetarian
- Sanjay's Claim That He Was Dying
- Sanjay's Belief That Semen Can Be Sucked Up From The Testicles, Via The Spine, To The Brain

Robert Priddy Exposed
- Robert Priddy Literally Stumbles Onto The Scene
- Say What?
- Another Not So Priddy Lie Exposed
- Another Spiteful & Erroneous Lie
- Robert Priddy Lies About Lisa De Witt
- A Funny And Embarrassing Wikipedia Blunder
- Robert Priddy's Fraudulent Information

Tony O'Clery Exposed (aka "aoclery")
- O'Clery's Demon Trances
- Who Are You Going To Call? The O'Clery Ghost Busters!
- O'Clery's Multiple Personality Disorder
- Ahimsa With A Side Of Bacon
- O'Clery's Acid Trip, Alcoholism And Psylocybin
- O'Clery, Sanjay & A Kinky Boot Fetish

These are the people who are trying to "expose" Sathya Sai Baba. They are wholly unbelievable for self-evident reasons.

Edited by author 09-13-2006 01:09 AM
First of all, there are no "updates" here. Moreno has posted these links before in his previous posts.

Until such time as the moderator returns from his vacation and reads his mails appealing to delete and ban bad behaviour from Moreno (Joe108), we may take notice of the following facts. Maybe Moreno will learn to behave properly in discussion forums instead of using every arena as his personal soapbox, leave alone the fact that he has opened his own QuickTopic board for the purpose. This information will be used as evidence against Moreno in places like Wikipedia, etc.

Find out all about Gerald Moreno being oiled by Sathya Sai Baba, his slandering of a variety of former devotees, his own confession to being on the brink of insanity twice, his "convenient" changes from non-devotee to ex-devotee, his flip-flopping on Sai Baba's molesting of little boys, his humiliating defeat on the Guruphiliac blog, his strange fascinations with faecal waste material and anuses, his self-conception as a garden weed covered in animal excrement, his affiliation with ex-porn stars who make sick pornographic scenes of urination and simulated eating of excrement, his disturbing dreams about stalking me at night which unmasks his suppressed homosexuality: Naughty Children: Gerald 'Joe' Moreno.

And that's not even counting the sexual abuse, murders, lying about concealing his IP, exposed for faking emails to former devotees, having his "FAQ" blown apart (this guy thinks he is SO important that he has an FAQ!), his sound thrashing form the JuST group, and last but NOT least, the COMPLETE EXPOSURE of his shameless paedophile accusations against a respectable former devotee.

Does it end there? Certainly not! There is TONS more that you don't know about this puppet of Sai Baba's that is waiting to be revealed.

Edited by author 09-13-2006 01:26 AM
Sai Baba EXPOSED (aka Sanjay Dadlani) stop your whining. lol

Regarding your link about "Naughty Chiildren Exposed", I have fully responded to it HERE.

Regarding your links to Premanand's responses, I have similarly given my responses HERE.

Again, I have fully responded to "JuST" with a scathing response HERE.

Regarding Barry Pittard and my former comments about him, I updated my article a long time back HERE. Although I have given valid reasons for making this comment, whiners like Sanjay refuse to divulge my response on their one-sided and selective sites. Don't expect Sanjay to retract his slander that Tony O'Clery is a homosexual and engaged in sexual relations with an alleged "informant" of his and David Bailey (Reference). He has not retracted these comments in 5 years, nor has he issued an explanation for making these comments against Tony O'Clery (a fellow Anti-Sai Activist).

I, on the other hand, have given entirely valid reasons for those who are sober enough to hear both sides of the story. Don't expect Sanjay to be sober enough to hear both sides of the story. He is a self-professed drunk.

Does it end there? Certainly not! There is TONS more that you don't know about this Anti-Sai Clown that is waiting to be revealed.

Edited by author 09-13-2006 02:49 AM
Moreno, do NOT use this forum as your personal soapbox to criticise other people. Nobody cares for your opinions about it's relevance or not. This board is about Sai Baba, and Sai Baba only.

The more you abuse this board, the more you will have to suffer ignominy. I repeat again, do not abuse this board and treat it as your soapbox or defence court. Discuss Sai Baba or else get out of here.


And by the way:

>> Don't expect Sanjay to retract his slander that Tony O'Clery is a homosexual and engaged in sexual relations with an alleged "informant" of his and David Bailey (Reference). He has not retracted these comments in 5 years, nor has he issued an explanation for making these comments against Tony O'Clery (a fellow Anti-Sai Activist). <<

Either Moreno is playing stupid or is deliberately lying. I have explained my comments several times in the discussion groups and have even apologised to Tony, which he accepted. Tony has himself stated the same thing as I did in more or less the same way. If Moreno does not know this, not my problem. If he regularly criticises others for "poor research", he would do well to focus on his own appalling standards of research. His ignorance on this particular subject is just one glaring example.

Until such time as the moderator returns from his vacation and reads his mails appealing to delete and ban bad behaviour from Moreno (Joe108), we may take notice of the following facts. Maybe Moreno will learn to behave properly in discussion forums instead of using every arena as his personal soapbox, leave alone the fact that he has opened his own QuickTopic board for the purpose. This information will be used as evidence against Moreno in places like Wikipedia, etc.

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Find out all about Gerald Moreno being oiled by Sathya Sai Baba, his slandering of a variety of former devotees, his own confession to being on the brink of insanity twice, his "convenient" changes from non-devotee to ex-devotee, his flip-flopping on Sai Baba's molesting of little boys, his humiliating defeat on the Guruphiliac blog, his strange fascinations with faecal waste material and anuses, his self-conception as a garden weed covered in animal excrement, his affiliation with ex-porn stars who make sick pornographic scenes of urination and simulated eating of excrement, his disturbing dreams about stalking me at night which unmasks his suppressed homosexuality: Naughty Children: Gerald 'Joe' Moreno.

And that's not even counting the sexual abuse, murders, lying about concealing his IP, exposed for faking emails to former devotees, having his "FAQ" blown apart (this guy thinks he is SO important that he has an FAQ!), his sound thrashing form the JuST group, and last but NOT least, the COMPLETE EXPOSURE of his shameless paedophile accusations against a respectable former devotee.

Does it end there? Certainly not! There is TONS more that you don't know about this puppet of Sai Baba's that is waiting to be revealed.

The fact of the matter is that character and honesty count. Those who are trying to "expose" Sathya Sai Baba lack character and honesty and these facts are entirely relevant to Sathya Sai Baba and these discussion boards. Weirdo's and whacko's like "Sai Baba EXPOSED" & Co. would like to dictate the conversation and divert attention away from themselves because they have been fully exposed as established liars, embellishers and conspriacy theorists.

In Sanjay Dadlani's case, it's much worse. One will also notice how when Anti-Sai Activists criticize devotees and proponents, they think they are perfectly entitled to do so, yet exempt themselves from the same criticism they mete out to others. It's all hypocrisy. All lies. All "poison" (Sanjay's word: Ref).

Buckle down for the long haul, Sanjay. You will be held accountable for your perversities, obscenities and absurdities. You are a pervert, a liar, a stalker and an overall freak, with proof. The general public that reads your frothing-at-the-mouth slop deserves to know what kind of person you are. There is no avoiding this issue so you better get used to it :-)

Exposing "Sai Baba EXPOSED" (Sanjay Kishore Dadlani), Middlesex University Student residing the UK

Sanjay Dadlani Exposed Blog

Edited by author 09-14-2006 12:12 AM
Even though this is off-topic (yet again), I'll reply for the sake of readers on this board who are not familiar with issues dicussed elsewhere.

>> The fact of the matter is that character and honesty count. <<

Since when? The topic of these discussion boards is Sathya Sai Baba. His character and his honesty (or lack thereof) count. Apart from this pivotal fact, if people like Moreno want to peep into people's characters, they suddenly assume that they have the automatic right to do so with no regards as to their own qualification to do so. Not even mentioning the fact that they themselves must stand upright with regards to "character" and "honesty" in themselves. See below.

>> Those who are trying to "expose" Sathya Sai Baba lack character and honesty and these facts are entirely relevant to Sathya Sai Baba and these discussion boards. <<

The very same logic applies to Moreno and his cohorts. They lack character and this has been proven and established all over the place. The one reason why this is not highlighted so much is that those of us who are exposing Sai baba for his homosexual paedophilia, involvement in murders and the like, do so with their complete attention and focus. The behaviour of our "critics" are an insignificant issue and are largely irrelevant to our purpose. A large part (around 99%) of criticism is ignored, because the so-called criticism is almost always based on a lack of facts at hand, not to mention the lack of common decency and manners. However, due to Moreno's increasingly fanatical and obsessive behaviour, it's about time that the lies that he has propounded as "truth" must be exposed for the lies that they are. You will not find us doing this on public discussion boards, since we do our very best to stick to the topic and respect the fact that discussion boards about Sathya Sai Baba are meant for discussions about Sathya Sai Baba.

Moreno's point is only partially valid if his attacks on Sai Baba's critics were based on something substantial, leave alone the fact that they are side-issues. This is not the case, because Moreno's entire gamut and function in life is to attack and "expose" Sai Baba's critics. Moreno has three websites that are devoted to Sathya Sai Baba; two of them are largely devotional in content whereas the third is "magnum opus" of attacks and criticisms that are like the effect of a fly on an elephant. He also owns two yahoogroups that are dedicated for the purpose of attacking Sai Baba's critics, and also has a total of no less than five defamatory and slanderous blogs that repeat and rehash the same things he has said previously in different ways. And to top it all off, Moreno has the blazing audacity to insist that he should be allowed the right to enter and disrupt discussions on Sathya Sai Baba on discussion board meant for that subject with his neurotic drivel and propaganda!

Readers, make up your own minds with the facts. And in response to Moreno's point, I haven't even begun discussing the lack of "character" and "honesty" on their part, nor the fact that they have no logical or coherent defence of Sathya Sai Baba. There is much to say on that, however.

>> Weirdo's and whacko's like "Sai Baba EXPOSED" & Co. would like to dictate the conversation and divert attention away from themselves because they have been fully exposed as established liars, embellishers and conspriacy theorists. <<

For reasons stated above, it should be clear that Moreno & Co.'s tactics to divert the topic away from Sathya Sai Baba (the stated purpose of this discussion board, yawn) and focusing on other de-facto irrelevant topics. By all means, if disaagreement on views exist then that is fine. Feel free to disagree! That is what discussion is all about. Unfortunately, Moreno's attacks are part of a sinister hate campaign where he is not interested in any form of conversation, discussion or exchange whatsoever. He is here only for the express purpose of posting texts and links about Sai Baba's critics, flooding this board with the same and disrupting the discussion thereof.

It also remains to be seen who are the established liars, embellishers and conspiracy theorists. Moreno and his minions are no angels in this regard; together they have come up with the most idiotic and asinine ideas I have ever heard in my life. Just two examples of this that come to mind:

- Several of Moreno's assumptions and speculations have been blown apart and refuted in many places. Still he has not corrected his misconceptions and continues to hold then in spite of all opposing evidence. Please see back archives for discussion of Alaya Rahm's court case for example.
- The anti-Sai movement (if there is such a thing!) consists of a Fundamentalist Christian, racist and white supremacist conspiracy with connections to the CIA in order to spread a campaign of disinformation about Sathya Sai Baba.

And Moreno has the audacity to claim that we are the weirdos and wackos? Ha! :-) Moreno openly associates with an admitted drug-abuser who grew drugs in his own home and even confessed to consuming hallucinogenic mushrooms, and also the open fact that he is an alcoholic with admiration for Adolf Hitler among a number of other weird facts. Another associate of Moreno's is a vile and vicious abuser who is pathologically incapable of holding a civilised conversation due to attitude problems. This associate openly hates men and has been responsible for creating and perpetuating some of the worst lies about Sai Baba's critics with no proof at all, despite repeated demands. An example of how this wacko did this is by maintaining the lie/conspiracy theory that the Expose campaign is carried out by a group of homosexuals and paedophiles (which is why they accuse him of being a homo-paedo in the first place). How ironic this is, when this associate was recently unmasked as confessing her own homosexuality and concealing it from others.

Tough luck. Moreno and his goons are no angels, so they can quit posturing and posing as moral guardians and the like since they will have much repercussions to suffer when all of these facts are publicised and brought out into the open.

>> Buckle down for the long haul, Sanjay. You will be held accountable for your perversities, obscenities and absurdities. You are a pervert, a liar, a stalker and an overall freak, with proof. <<

For reasons stated above, it should now be obvious that Moreno's posturing as a moral guardian now faces the event of being a laughing stock. In light of of his own perversities, obscenities and absurdities, it is hilarious that he attempts to point out these faults in other people that lie within himself. Need proof? He is a pervert, a liar, an *admitted* stalker and an overall freak, with proof. :-)

>> The general public that reads your frothing-at-the-mouth slop deserves to know what kind of person you are. There is no avoiding this issue so you better get used to it :-) <<

Touché. Unfortunately, the general public have evaluated my "slop" and find nothing essentially wrong with it. On the other hand, the general public are united on the fact that Gerald Moreno is a freak of nature. :-) He has been ridiculed and publicly humiliated in various places on the Internet for peddling his own distinctive brand of "slop", namely at the Guruphiliac blog, Dinakaran's blog, Gaudiya Discussions forum, Gaudiya Repercussions forum (kicked out three times in succession for exhibiting his perverted tendencies and stalking behaviour), and last but not least, Moreno has been termed as nothing less than a "f*****g wackjob" at TheStranger forums. That says it all, in my view. :-)

Here is yet another example of Moreno's vile campaign of hate and slander; whereas the article is about Shashi Tharoor's nomination for the UN Sec-Gen post, Moreno has nothing to comment on the article except to scandalise and smear me there for no reason at all. The author simply used one of my blog posts as a resource and all Moreno could do was criticise this. Behind my back too, and in tandem with one of his associates (mentioned above). This is proof that Moreno is a hateful, spiteful and vicious rottweiler who has no function in life except to defend a homosexual paedophile who he does not even believe in. Yep, that's wacky and weird alright.

Oh yes, and he had better get ready to buckle down for the long haul too. A time will come when all of Moreno's scandalous lies will be blown apart for the world to see. He will only have himself to blame, given the appalling standard of his vapid speculations on every issue to do with Sai Baba. :-)

Naughty Children: Gerald 'Joe' Moreno

I fully expect Moreno to come back (with froth at the mouth to boot) about how I am "ranting" with such "boring diatribes". That in itself is further proof that all of my statements about his own lies and hypocrisy are all correct. If Moreno claims that my writings are boring and that he has no interest in them, then he should explain why he relentlessly reads everything I say and keeps a record of it all to satisfy his admitted cravings for stalking people.

On the other hand, he can just display common decency and good behaviour (values that he claims to hold close to his heart) and either participate in this forum as a proper discussion participant or just leave altogether. Irrelevant behaviour is not to be tolerated here because this is not a soapbox for Moreno. Either discuss Sai Baba or get out, it's that simple. And that goes for everybody.

Ityalam.

For crying out loud Sanjay, do you have to babble and whine so much? Honestly, you have diarrhea of the mouth.

Sanjay Dadlani Exposed Blog
Exposing "Sai Baba EXPOSED"

What did I tell you, folks? :-)

Simple advice for Mr. Moreno the "f*****g wackjob":

Can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen. :-)

Be relevant, or leave.

Naughty Children: Gerald 'Joe' Moreno

No such luck :-)

Tough luck then. :-)

Let everyone witness Moreno's de-facto admission that he has nothing of value to contribute to discussions on Sathya Sai Baba. His purpose here is solely for slandering and demeaning a variety of ex-devotees in favour of a perverted guru who he does not even believe in, out of some sick compulsion to fulfil his proven and documented addictive stalking behaviour and obsessional fascinations.

Let everyone witness it. :-)

I have no further interest. :-)

Contrary to your ludicrous assertions, my comments here are entirely applicable to Sathya Sai Baba and the controversy surrounding him. Exposing Anti-Sai Activists for their lies, deceit and dishonesty is relevant to Sathya Sai Baba. You, as a fully exposed pervert and pathological liar, want to dominate the discussion and divert attention away from Anti-Sai Activists. Tough luck.

- Information Page About Sathya Sai Baba

- Sanjay Dadlani Exposed
- Exposing "Sai Baba Exposed"

Edited by author 09-14-2006 03:25 PM
For those of you who have been reading this thread and the comments made by "abusedfor15years / usedbybaba", perhaps you are not familiar with his recent comment made on the sathyasaibaba2 yahoo group?

"abusedfor15years / usedbybaba" said:

"who is premanand? by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole. you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA. I can write worse than this and i am capable of doing more, u shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth. Maybe you eat through your bottom. You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying. You bi''**h Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine. tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth. If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I remember people for life and don't take me for granted. BAS****D" (Reference).

What do you want to bet that Sanjay will defend "abusedfor15years / usedbybaba" and his deeply disturbing, disgusting and sexually perverse comments?

As I have said before, Anti-Sai Activists are moral degenerates, liars, deceivers and much worse. Given enough time, they expose themselves and it is always NOT a pretty sight.

Edited by author 09-14-2006 09:57 PM
Re /m241:

Moreno, once and for all, get into your thick head: Discussion here is on Sathya Sai Baba. Your ludicrous assertion that discussion of this topic is a "diversion" is in itself utterly hilarious. Aside from the fact that you have several boards of your ownin which to carry out your obsessional hate crusade, the real situation is that you are the one distracting attention away from the fact that you cannot defend Sathya Sai Baba for all of the allegations that he faces, not that you were ever qualified or authorised to do so in the first place. You have a compulsive need to insert your nose into places where it doesn't belong. Imagine that! You have nothing to say in defence of Sathya Sai Baba. The recent discussion about birthdates is proof of that; you ran away and came back with more ad-hominem arguments which are your stock-in-trade.

Get that into your thick skull. You drone on and on in Wikipedia about how people should stay on-topic, yet you do not do so yourself. You are an extraordinary hypocrite who has been proven as a pervert and a pathological liar, and I have proved it.

You want my opinion on Abusedfor15years? I want your opinion on Simon Brace and Lisa De Witt, two of the biggest degenerates to ever set foot in a Sai Baba forum. Tough luck, because I have seen your hypocrisy on your website. You openly associate with them and embrace them, homosexuals and drunken drug-addicts that they are. I have no more interest in a pervert like you. Keep on trying to catch my interest, a pathetic pervert like you will not succeed. :-)

Look at Sai Baba EXPOSED whine, snivel and throw his typical girly hissy fits because I am not behaving and speaking as he thinks I should! lol

Far be it for "Sai Baba EXPOSED" (aka Sanjay Kishore Dadlani) to point his pudgy fingers (with pictures of Sanjay) and call others "homosexuals", "drunks", "drug-addicts" and "perverts" when the only person who has been fully exposed for these things is Sanjay himself. Even with self-admissions! The fact that Sanjay points out these things when he suffers from them himself strongly suggest he has some sort of deeply rooted psychological problems. He even contemplated the idea of slicing his flesh with razors and blowing his brains out with a gun after licking the barrel with his tongue! One word: Sicko.

Need Proof?

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") is a pervert: References: 01 - 02 - 03

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") has homoerotic feelings for other men:
References: 01 - 02

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") is a drunk with a serious drinking problem:
Reference: 01

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") is racist against black people and purchased illegal drugs:
Reference: 01

Calling me a pervert is a very decent comment and i have to appreciate those who called me that. tell her to go find a chicken. Did i write about anyone else like that.or did i abuse any of you including lisa the sick one. My god i am fuming.If i call you a word connecting you and your parents how will you react.
I have been affected by baba in the same perverted way that she is calling me. i am the victim ( (u will not believe but for me it is real)and u touch a raw nerve i will explode. Again, i don't want to ask u to answermy questions,for, i know that in your heart of hearts u know that i am speaking the truth.even thaough u will deny it. I also did the same for a long time. but i did not abuse people who were anti sai.i thought that if he was god these people were his children. that was my faith then. maybe some of you are not confident of your baba that he can defend himself. or is it because you know that you are are fighting for a losing cause.




     
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Edited by author 09-15-2006 11:58 AM
"abusedfor15years", you are a pervert. Your former comments (/m242) prove that abundantly.

I also have a question for you. Did you formerly use the name "ex-sai student"?

Edited by author 09-16-2006 06:33 AM
For the record, usedfor15years aka usedbybaba was the FIRST person to make lewd comments insinuating others were perverts because they don't believe his garbage and now the abusive phony is playing the victim.

Here is the proof:

usedbybaba wrote:

"sob sob sob sob sob.If you like the taste of
linga how can you object to some one "molesting "
you. Go and taste baba's linga . or rathnakar
maybe.it is free .They told me he is divorced.Is
it true? if it is true you can get married to
him. try him he is only in his thirties unlike
BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his
seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont
know .maybe he will adjust it when he knows he is
going to die to suit the stories that he told.

by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the
third leg. we know of Siva's third eye what is
the third leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy."

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/52399


Not only that but usedbybaba has been making threats and extremely lewd comments (as you can see) not fit to print.

As usual, it's not hard to tell who the REAL pervert is.

Do you people know how some devotees manage to make flashes of ashes appear on the picture frames of SSB? I want to hear your close experiences. Has any of you try investigate? Even if it failed I want to know how did it go.

Here is an account from http://www.exbaba.com/

how did they do it? Vertically in the top of the frame around the picture is a nail that sticks out by accident. In the board there is an impression of that nail, something that can only happen when you bring the picture in a horizontal position. This picture is the only one that is attached to the board by a kind of primitive hinge, consisting of two nails and iron wire wound around them. All other pictures just lean against the board. If you look carefully, it is clear that the hinge is used often.

Every Sunday afternoon, according to an informant, the picture is lifted from below and smeared with a kind of slush of water and ash. Of course, nobody may then enter the room. One day later the ash has dried, and the manager lets down the picture again, carefully. Because the ash comes off easily from the glass, the hinge has an important function: motions and vibrations are minimized during the process of letting the picture down. We tried the trick at home with ash from Baba. It works to perfection.

Edited by author 09-25-2006 03:31 AM
I don't know if Beast master thinks he is Sherlock Holmes or what but there are many many accredited scientists and journalists who have actually investigated Sai Baba (unlike Beast Master the anonymous armchair internet critic).
The award-winning journalist, Rod Serling did a documentary about Sai Baba in the early 1970s titled, Sathya Sai Baba: Man of Miracles. Even Mick Brown (who was raised a Catholic, as were most of the anti-Sais causing problems, and may have been acting on behalf of the Catholic church when he did the Alaya Rahm 2000 hit piece on Sai Baba) said in a 2004 radio interview that he does not believe the vibhuti materialzations are a hoax.


"Yes, well Sai Baba is I think an extraordinary phenomenon and a very perplexing phenomenon. Of course he's probably the best-known of all the living Indian swamis or teachers, and has a global following, running into, it's estimated, many, many millions. I'd heard a lot about Sai Baba over the years, but then as I became exposed to more and more of these stories and began to hear more and more about him, my path eventually led me to a house in North London, where I witnessed something rather remarkable, and one of the things that Sai Baba is said to do, as an avatar, as an incarnation of the Divine, as it's claimed of him, he's said to be able to perform many, many miracles, perhaps the least of which is to produce vibhuti, which is this holy dust, for want of a better word. And there are many accounts of him producing this from his fingers, but also of it manifesting quite spontaneously on photographs of Sai Baba in the homes of devotees. And I'd heard about this, but I hadn't actually seen it myself until I went to a house in North London.
It was an Indian gentleman who actually worked as a taxi driver, and he'd wanted to build an extension to his home in order to house this snooker table, billiard table, and so he'd gone ahead and built the extension, and had then invited some Hindu priests to bless the broken ground, and they happened to be devotees of Sai Baba, and they left in the home a picture of Sai Baba. Shortly after that, vibhuti began to spontaneously manifest on the picture, and he was rather disconcerted by this, and called them back and asked exactly what was going on, and they said, 'Well this is a blessing, this means that Baba is present in the house, and you're not to disturb anything, you're not to touch anything. And was told you can't put your snooker table in, this is now consecrated ground, as it were, and you must keep this as a shrine to Baba.
And so he had added to this picture with many other pictures, and also with little Buddha statuettes and images of the Christ and symbols of Islam, all of which appeared to be manifesting this extraordinary scented dust, vibhuti. And devotees would come to his house and would pray and have small services and then they'd scrape off the vibhuti from the pictures and give to devotees and they'd take it away with them by way of a blessing...But what I do believe is that it wasn't a hoax. So I do believe that that is the case, and I think in a way this goes to the heart of the ambivalence of Sai Baba, because he's a very perplexing and very confusing character to me..."--Mick Brown, ABC Interview-6/27/2004

Edited by author 09-25-2006 11:45 AM
Re /m248:

Exactly. Anyone can try this out for himself and see how easy it is to replicate Sai Baba's "miracles". For example. Exbaba.Com contains several clips from the 'SEDUCED' movie where the reporter/interviewer shows the camera exactly how vibhuti pellets can be concealed between fingers, pretend to "materialise" them, squish the pellets ito ground ash and give it to the "lucky" recipient.

I see that Lisa De Witt is Still touting Rod Serling's movie as an example of investigated miracles. Ha ha ha ha ha. This movie is from the 1970s and is a devotional movie, so it's not like it's without bias! :-) Try looking at recent movies which do not close up too much on Sai Baba's ugly mug and show his hands instead, then we can see exactly what he is up to.

Speaking of which, my very recent meeting with a high-ranking former devotee enabled me to acquire a copy of the very famous 'Aura of Divinity' movie (Parts 1 and 2) filmed and presented by the famous devotee duo Richard and Janet Bock. The film was released around 1980 and is very well known. I actually had my own copy of this movie from my devotee days but I seem to have misplaced it so it was good to get it again.

This is a devotional movie, and just by briefly watching it I already spotted three instances of Sai Baba cheating with vibhuti materialisations! This, from a movie by Richard Bock of all people! The first and third ones are unclear or out of camera range, but the second instance is a full and clear-cut observation of cheating. So tough luck, nobody can question a staple devotee movie that has been around since at least 1980 and filmed by FAMOUS devotees. Janet Bock is now known as Janet Bicker.

The anti-Sais have ZERO proof that the videos show Sai Baba cheating. I have looked at those videos on a 19in tv and do not see the alleged fraud they are claiming. We have already covered how Erlendur Haraldsson has already had experts examine the Doordarshan video the anti-Sais claim show cheating and the UNBIASED experts say it shows NO proof of fraud. Yet, the anti-Sais continue to lie and claim they see fraud when there is NO such proof. These are the paranoid clowns who cry brainwashing at every turn yet are attempting to brainwash everyone with their idiocy. If they actually had PROOF they could easily take it to court and file a claim. The anti-Sai pathological liars think everyone is as dumb and as gullible as they are.

Sanjay Dadlani obviously has NOT seen the Man of Miracles video nor does he know anything about it. And so typical of his know-it-all attitude to claim to be the great expert regarding that which he knows nothing about. It was NOT a "devotional" video. It was one of SEVERAL investigative documentary videos in a MYSTERY SERIES and shows VERY good footage of the BOTH the Shivarathri vibhuti and amrit miracles. Rod Serling was an award-winning journalist who investigated VERY carefully anything that he wrote or filmed about. Dadlani, another armchair critic, wasn't even alive then as he was not born until the late seventies and has a history of blatantly lying about his past experiences with the aghori Vimalananda, etc so anything he claims must be taken with a grain of salt unless documented in some concrete manner.

It has also been a consistent pattern of the anti-Sais to smear dead people because they obviously think dead people are easy targets.


It is typical of Dadlani to make true believer-like statements and judgements regarding things he knows absolutely NOTHING about. Apparently, Dadlani also thinks he is a mind-reader as he is always claiming to know what others are thinking but he is wrong most, if not all of the time. Why just yesterday he was claiming I had made a psychic prediction when I had done nothing of the sort.
In short, Dadlani is a fabricator who lives to fabricate stories.

Very good, now how about actually addressing my points? :-)

Rod Serling or no Rod Serling, there are plenty of miracle videos abounding in the Sai Organisation, the most famous of which were filmed by the late Richard Bock and his wife Janet (now Janet Bicker). Where did I make fun of dead people?

Fact remains, I recently acquired a copy of Bock's arguably most famous movie (Aura of Divinity) and there are at least three suspicious incidents involving sleight-of-hand materialisations of vibhuti. The first and third are out of camera range, whereas the second is performed in full view of the camera. In a devotional movie too, so tough luck. Bock presented his movie as an "investigation" too, so I'm not interested in technical definitions of devotional movies. Ditto for Rod Serling, his movie was positive (biased).

Nobody cares what Lisa De Witt thinks. The movie clips are freeely available on the Net for anyone to see and judge with their own brains whether there is suspicious dealings or not. And by te way, Erlendur Haralddson did not comment on any of the movies except for the famed 'Gurubusters' clip, which incidentally was the first clip that brought Sai Baba's fraudulent miracles to light. :-)

The tide is turning. Sai Baba and his lies will be washed away. :-)

Oh yes, let's not forget my own movie. I bought a "live darshan" video from the Ashram's own video shop in 1997, a three-hour video filled with "live darshan" footage. Incidentally this is the video that documents the occasion where Sai Baba blessed my picture, stood right in front of me for about 2 minutes, held my hand and blessed me on the head, so I am in it. :-)

Trouble is, there are two occasions in that video (that I've discovered so far anyway) where Sai Baba is caught cheating on "materialising" vibhuti. In the first instance, his arms are out of camera range due to excessive zooming on his ugly face, whereas in the second instance the whole thing is laid out for the viewer to see. :-)

You can bet your ass that Exbaba.Com will get those two clips at the earliest opportunity, and more if I can find any. :-) This is an ashram video that was sold just 1 or 2 days after it was made and which I purchased form the ashram's own video shop. 3 hours of unedited darshan footage, so no claims of editing or whatever. Tough luck. Sai Baba will be washed away. :-)

Despite all these rampant claims that Sathya Sai Baba has been caught "faking" materializations on video, no one has even attempted to have these alleged incidents of fraud verified by any reputable company specializing in fraud. Having a reputable company document incidents of fraud would greatly advance the Anti-Sai agenda. Needless to say, despite claiming there is proof that Sathya Sai Baba is faking materializations, no one has done anything about it!

This reminds me of the numerous claims (even made in Indian newspapers and on the Gurubusters Film) that Sathya Sai Baba clearly faked a necklace materialization caught on film. Despite the alleged clarity of the fraud, Anti-Sai Activists could not agree what actually transpired. Some argued that Baba took the necklace from under the award and others claimed that a devotee gave Baba the necklace in his hand.

Erlendur Haraldsson (in his book "Miracles are my visiting cards - An investigative inquiry on Sathya Sai Baba, an Indian mystic with the gift of foresight believed to perform modern miracles") stated that he and his associates carried out a careful analysis of the video shown in Guru Busters film (that Anti-Sai Activist love to boast "proves" that Baba fakes materializations). Haraldsson stated the following about the video:

"The quality and resolution of the tape leaves much to be desired and limits the inferences that can be drawn from it. Dr. Wiseman took the videotape to a company which specialises in investigating corporate fraud. This company posesses some of the world's best equipment designed to enhance poor quality videotape. The technician kindly offered to enhance the videotape in question. The videotape was run thorugh a real time Snell & Wilcox Kudos Noise Reducer. The machine carries out three operations. First, it removes via recursive filters the random noise on the tape caused by repeated copying. Second, it imporves the graininess of the video by median filters and finally enhances any edges on the the video through edge enhancement filters. After all this the video is certainly easier to watch, and did not contain much of the random noise present on the copy provided by the Deccan Chronicle. However, the resulting tape still did not reveal further information about the incident. In short, the reason for Sai Baba's hand movements still appears unclear and is open for various interpretations, but the tape contained no firm evidence of fraud. The company also analysed several still frames taken from the video. These were scanned into a computer and run through an Improve image processing system (developed by the Home Office in Britain). Again, the images were enhanced via median filters and certain areas of the frames were enlarged. The resulting photographs show the crucial moment as Sai Baba's hands touch under the memento, but do not reveal any further information."

Therefore, despite the rants and ravings by Anti-Sai Activists, they simply cannot argue with the results of the analysis. The allegation of fraud is completely unsubstantiated and no one has even attempted to get these alleged "fake materializations" documented by any reputable company specializing in fraud. Period. End of discussion.

Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba

just new. was told by a friend about this

i did watch the videos in exbaba and to me baba is taking something from his left hand every time before creating vibutti.that is what i see and i have never been a devotee.I would call him guilty but that does not mean any one has to agree with me.
And for the linga,in atleast one film he is pushing it into his mouth.Why should he use a towel at all?

Hi Bildexter, exactly. Devotees will claim that he is wiping away the drool/sweat from his mouth as he always does, which then leads us to question why he is drooling/sweating in the first place? Furthermore, it is widely believed that Sai Baba had decided to start performing this "miracle" in public from 1999 onwards in a specific bid to revive his image as a powerful guru and to combat the proliferation of sexual abuse allegations, which started coming out around 1999. Bear in mind that he had been perfoming this linga trick since around 1958 or so, and stopped doing it in 1979 ostensibly because of the rowdy crowds. Twenty years later he "conveniently" starts it up again to revive his flagging fame.

By the way, would you like to consider the story of the 2004 Lingodbhava? Even though the video clip of that event (released on the Internet via devotional websites) was very poor, I immediately knew that this was a fraud due to the large bulge in the handkerchief in Sai Baba's hands. Sai Baba clearly popped it into his mouth and pretended to vomit it out. This was confirmed by the crystal-clear BBC video footage who were incidentally there at the time filming the event. They had a glorious side-view of the event which clearly showed no lingam coming out of Sai Baba's mouth. The only thing that came out of Sai Baba's mouth was regurgitated water. He collapsed shortly afterwards in full public view, was escorted into his room and came out later to tell everyone that he had again vomited a lingam that weighed three tons!

How any reasonable, rational and sensible person with an active brain could believe any of that pap is beyond me.

We don't need an independent agency to confirm something that everyone can see with their own eyes, duh. Not least the fact that Sai Baba is carelessly caught cheating in devotional movies produced by Richard Bock, live darshan videos like my own, as well as the famous 'God Lives In India' video that was pulled from the ashram shelves soon after the trick was discovered. More like 'Cheats Live In India'.

People like Erlendur Haraldsson would rather spend a lot of time trying to eliminate noise from movies, lol.

The post /m249 did not address the main point of my post /m248 , the enquiry part of the ash falling off picture frames.

It simply states Mick Brown's reporting of his meeting with another person. Mick Brown did not conduct an investigation. He did not confirm positively what makes the ash appear. He simply believes it is not a hoax.

What I asked for was an investigation experience but not some one's belief.

Edited by author 09-27-2006 01:20 AM
Why do you bozos always lie about people addressing your points?

Beast Master, as far as I know you have NEVER been to see Sai Baba or any of the phenomena so you are a hypocrite babbling about things you have no experience of. Like I said, YOU are a condescending anonymous armchair critic who, like most of the anti-Sais, has absolutely nothing better to do than play mind games on the internet. To people like me who have DECADES of experience with miraculous phenomena and have researched it VERY carefully, you are just another arrogant ignoramous going nowhere fast. I'm not going to waste my time playing your games Beast Master. Miraculous phenomena can usually not be "proven". Usually only it's EFFECTS can be documented. That's why it is called MIRACULOUS! The fact that you goofballs think you can "prove" something when you were not even there is just idiotic. Please get a life and quit wasting my time with your illogical, childish and phony tripe. You are as bad as Dadlani with your facade of "knowing".

Edited by author 09-27-2006 01:44 AM
Lisa, you do not have "decades of experience" with Sai Baba, so nobody cares about any other "miraculous phenomena" that you may or may not have experienced. Specifically, nobody is interested in your claims of regular visitations by disembodied spirits such as various assorted angels and Jesus Christ, etc.

Fact remains that you cannot argue that Sai Baba is not cheating when he has been exposed all over the place. Anyone can see the clips for themselves and use their own brains to make their decisions. The only thing you can glark about is Gurubusters, which is a bad-quality movie in the first place. This argument cannot be applied to ultra-clear movies such as 'Aura of Divinity', 'God Lives In India' as well as my own live footage darshan movie. Tough luck, Sai Baba will be swept away and there's nothing anyone can do about it. So stop glarking.

As if the BBC footage of the faked 2004 Lingodbhavam is not enough to convince these brainwashed puppets lol. Just wait until I get my own movie clips up on Exbaba.Com, then we'll see. :-)

Just for laughs maybe I'll even get them tp upload the part where the camera zooms right on my face while Sai Baba is standing in front of me for about a minute, holding my hand, blessing my picture and blessing me on the head, lol. :-)

Beastmaster, I was very impressed with your recent post about a "Times of India" challenge. I think that is a perfect challenege for Sai Baba to attempt. Why not put that post here so that everyone can see it? I was very impressed with that, you come up with such good ideas. :-)

Edited by author 09-27-2006 02:49 AM
First of all, the alleged miracles attributed to Sathya Sai Baba far exceed the materializations of vibuthi from pictures. Not only does vibuthi manifest from pictures, so do amrit, kum-kum, tumeric, ghee, butter, flowers and fragrances. There are even reports of vibuthi footprints, handprints, statues, crystals, gems, sugar candy, coins, hand-written letters, etc.

If you live in the USA, check out the Colusa Shrine In South San Franciso for numerous manifestations, even a dhuni fire and butter from a Radha-Krishna deity.

If you live in Bali, check out the Monang Maning Temple.

If you live in India, check out the Sri Ragnapatnam Orphanage.

If you live in London, check out the Rajiv Adatia Home Shrine where vibuthi even allegedly comes out of the entire wall.

Also JK manifestations: 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06

Even media articles: 01 - 02 - 03

To date, not even one single critic, skeptic or rationalist has exposed any of these places as frauds. Some of these manifestations have been happening for decades (such as Sri Ragnapatnam and Colusa Shrine) and although critics, skeptics and rationalists have had every opportunity to expose these places as frauds, they have not done so. One can only wonder why.

Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 09-27-2006 06:16 AM
i don't think your photographs can neither prove nor disapprove,whether they were real miracles or not.I can say that i have not seen thins happening in front of me.Whereas Baba's materialisations are recorded in videos and the anti babas are not doing anything to change that. I have not seen a video of vibuthi falling from a photo.so i say it is not proof.it might be miracle or maynot be and there is no proof for either of these.But video evidences on baba's creations seem very authentic.

Edited by author 09-27-2006 05:56 PM
Bildexter, some time ago on Channel 4 (UK), there was a programme about some journalistic researcher "checking out" Indian gurus, including Sathya Sai Baba. He even visited various "miracle houses" in the UK where vibhuti allegedly comes out of pictures, etc, and even purchased a picture in the hope that vibhuti would come out of it (thus authenticating SSB's miracles). It didn't. Furthermore, the journalist figured out exactly how the manifestation was happening in the home of a devotee and even confronted that devotee about it, to which the devotee meekly responded, "You have your opinion and I have my opinion." LOL.

I could kick myself for not making a note of the programme title and other details. I'm sure I'll come across it eventually one day. :-)

The vibhuti and amrith miracles have been debunked many times by various people. I recently picked up a load of 37 books and two videos from a high-ranking former devotee, and one of the videos contains a clip from a German TV show where SSB's miracles were exposed as a fraud. Nobody needs to visit houses (or "shrines", lol) to prove them as frauds when anyone with a brain can do it at home. Sai Baba is reported to have said that such "miracles" are not his doings per se but are extensions/projections of the devotees' own devotion. The same phenomenon occurs in the case of other spiritual leaders.

I find it hilarious that advocates and defenders of SSB take great pains to research the Net for examples of miracles, yet themselves forcefully declare that they are not his devotees. :-)

Edited by author 09-27-2006 06:57 PM
Please! Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "SaiBabaExposed") is a pathological liar, with proof. He makes up all sorts of unverifiable stories and tries to pass them off as credible.

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") even indulged in his pathological lies when he was a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba.

Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") viciously lied about Tony O'Clery, claiming that Tony had sex with his first-hand "informant" and David Bailey and was banned from the Vancouver Sai Center for sexual molestation (Reference)! Sanjay similarly lied about Glen Meloy and also lied about meeting Aghori Vimalananda.

Of course, Sanjay adamantly refuses to clarify or discuss these shameless lies, libel and defamation. He even accused me similarly, without proof and without remorse. Who can believe this rascal, fool and prevaricator? Expect more of the same excuses from Sanjay, i.e., that the discussion is supposed to be about Baba, these are ad hominem attacks, etc.

Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

re /m264

Joe108,

I went through some of the links. They have good pictures and are accounts reporting the ash mystery. I will go thruough the rest of them later. I am hoping some the links you gave would have investigative reports which are what I am looking for.

- Beast Master

Didn't take Joe108 to start with the ad-hominem attacks once he ran out of arguments, did it? :-)

And as is typical of this fella, he chooses to spend his time misusing the purpose of this site by abusing other posters. Two can play at that game.

Find out all about Gerald Moreno being oiled by Sathya Sai Baba, his slandering of a variety of former devotees, his own confession to being on the brink of insanity twice, his "convenient" changes from non-devotee to ex-devotee, his flip-flopping on Sai Baba's molesting of little boys, his humiliating defeat on the Guruphiliac blog, his strange fascinations with faecal waste material and anuses, his self-conception as a garden weed covered in animal excrement, his affiliation with ex-porn stars who make sick pornographic scenes of urination and simulated eating of excrement, his disturbing dreams about stalking me at night which unmasks his suppressed homosexuality: Naughty Children: Gerald 'Joe' Moreno.

Welcome to the new exposés: Gerald's homosexuality, intellectual dishonesty, copyright violations, clarifying the copyright violations, lying about the Sai Krishna picture controversy, his psychologically disturbing self-conception of being enveloped in blinding darkness, more proof of his effeminate behaviour on Wikipedia, his confessions to almost going insane twice(!), his hypocritical stance on meat-eating, pathological inability to shut up (!), having his lies about homo-eroticism exposed, his confusion about his gender, and so much more!

And that's not even counting the sexual abuse, murders, lying about concealing his IP, exposed for faking emails to former devotees, having his "FAQ" blown apart (this guy thinks he is SO important that he has an FAQ!), his sound thrashing form the JuST group, and last but NOT least, the COMPLETE EXPOSURE of his shameless paedophile accusations against a respectable former devotee.

Does it end there? Certainly not! There is TONS more that you don't know about this puppet of Sai Baba's that is waiting to be revealed. So don't play these stupid games with me, puppet boy, as I am not even interested in talking to you. If you can't stick to the topic and discuss rationally, then leave.

Re /m267:

>> viciously lied about Tony O'Clery, claiming that Tony had sex with his first-hand "informant" and David Bailey and was banned from the Vancouver Sai Center for sexual molestation (Reference)! Sanjay similarly lied about Glen Meloy and also lied about meeting Aghori Vimalananda. Of course, Sanjay adamantly refuses to clarify or discuss these shameless lies, libel and defamation. He even accused me similarly, without proof and without remorse. <<


Just for the record, I have discussed the Tony O'Clery "lie" on other forums in public, in full view of O'Clery who agreed with my viewpoint and also accepts that I never lied about it. Furthermore, Gerald Moreno has never asked me to clarify the issue about Glen Meloy either, despite the fact that there is a perfectly rational explanation that was known to Meloy and fully accepted by him when he was still alive.

If Gerald aka Joe108 hasn't bothered to do his research properly then that's not my problem. I have all along claimed that Gerald's research is incredibly poor and sloppy with scant proof to support his asinine accusations, and this just proves it. He didn't even know that the Tony O'Clery issue has been discussed and clarified in public at least twice, while he was supposedly a witness to the discussion. This means that he is either very stupid or is deliberately lying himself. Oh the irony! :-)

And yes, this is a discussion forum about Sai Baba and nothing else. Trust Puppet Moreno to make the first move and take the discussion completely off-track when we were all having a perfectly reasonable and rational discussion about Sai Baba's fake materialisations caught on movies. Especially when I wasn't even talking to him and do not consider him to be a qualified participant in this discussion on account of his affirmed non-devotee status while rabidly defending Sai Baba exactly like a devotee, claiming to be "impartial".

BeastMaster, I am not sure if there are any official investigative reports, like the ones you are looking for. What is strange, however, is that not even one single skeptic or critic has ever attempted to expose any of these places (where manifestations occur) as fraudulent. That is revealing in itself. Secondly, vibuthi is not the only substance that allegedly manifests from pictures. There are numerous other substances as well.

Erlendur Haraldsson (in his book "Miracles are my visiting cards - An investigative inquiry on Sathya Sai Baba, an Indian mystic with the gift of foresight believed to perform modern miracles") did investigate Sathya Sai Baba's miracles (relating to his physical form). Haraldsson interviewed many people, including ex-devotees, and all of them (ex-devotee and devotee alike) attested to what they felt was genuine and unexplainable paranormal phenomena in relation to Sathya Sai Baba. All, without exception.

Edited by author 10-25-2006 01:14 AM
Exposing "Sai Baba EXPOSED", aka Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (Updated As Needed):

SANJAY DADLANI'S PERVERSITY:
- SuicideGirls.com & The Gothic Vaishnava
- Another Example Of Sanjay's Perversity
- Sanjay's Views On Teen Porn & Child Pornography
- Sanjay & Gomorrah: Dadlani's Jesus Sex Fetish
- Requests For Jesus, Biblical & Disney Pornography
- What Kishore Dadlani Really Thinks Of Women
- Sanjay Kishore Dadlani's StreetBitches Blog
- More Proof Sanjay Created The StreetBitches Blog

SANJAY DADLANI'S PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS:
- Sanjay Rejoiced When Sai Baba Temples Bombed
- Bitter And Poison
- Psychologically Unstable Hip Hop Boy
- Sanjay: Multiple Personalities?
- Sanjay Dadlani's Serious Drinking Problems
- Proof Sanjay Dadlani Is Mentally Disturbed
- Bad Pudgy Finger Day

SANJAY THE PSYCHOPATH:
- Psychopathy, Psychopaths & Psychopathic Behavior

SANJAY DADLANI'S HARE KRISHNA TIES:
- The Hare Krishna Wannabee
- Sanjay Defending Sathya Sai Baba
- Lord Krishna's Inability To Protect His Devotees?
- Sathya Sai Baba, Lord Krishna & Terrorism
- Yajna For All Humanity
- Another Guru Or Fake Pic?
- The Cow Hating Leather Fetishist

SANJAY DADLANI'S CHARACTER PROBLEMS:
- Sanjay's Holy War
- Sanjay's Purchase Of Drugs And Racist Comments

SANJAY DADLANI'S SATANIC INCLINATIONS:
- The Angel Of Death: Azra`iL
- Sanjay, 666, Incest, Satan, & Alleged Christian Sciptures
- Sanjay's Satanic Inclinations
- Sanjay And The Satanic Bible

SANJAY DADLANI'S PATHOLOGICAL LIES:
- Sanjay's Yahoo Photo Album Lies
- More Lies: Trying to Keep Up
- Did Dr. Naresh Bhatia Molest Females?
- Arnold Schulman And The Alleged "Serpentine Lie"
- The Aghori Vimalananda Lie
- Kishore Dadlani - Vicious Slanderer Extraordinaire
- Pious Pretenses
- Sanjay's Pseudo-Devotee Status
- The Meat Eating Vegetarian
- Is Tony O'Clery Bisexual/Homosexual And A Molestor?
- Was Glen Meloy A "Disturbed Person"?
- Stunning Tony O'Clery & Glen Meloy Update

AMUSING STUFF ABOUT SANJAY KISHORE DADLANI:
- Maybe This Will Help
- Dadlani likes merged images. Me too
- Studmuffin Sanjay
- Practical Tips For Sanjay
- Dying But Still Not Dead
- A Seminal Discussion On Ojas, Urdhvaretas And Kishore Dadlani
- Sanjay's Love Life Trumps London Attacks
- Swaaaami!!! La la la la laaaaa!!
- Sanjay Begs For Sathya Sai Baba

SANJAY DADLANI'S HOMOEROCTISM AND GENDER CONFUSION:
- Sanjay's Homoeroticism: A Closer Look
- Sanjay's Homoeroticism And Gender Confusion
- Move Over He-Man - Here Comes He-Krsna!
- Pink Blog Theme
- Dream About Sanjay
- "Effeminancy" On Wikipedia?

SANJAY'S SAI BABA SHIRDI LIES EXPOSED:
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 1
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 2
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 3

DEFAMATORY ATTACKS ADDRESSED:
- Gerald 'Joe' Moreno: A Response
- Newest Defamation Campaign

SANJAY DADLANI & ROBERT PRIDDY:
- Robert Priddy Bashes Sanjays Guru And Beliefs
- Robert Priddy: The Pseudo-Moralist
- Blog Exposing Robert Priddy

MISCELLANEOUS:
- Fake Miracle Pictures Of Sathya Sai Baba
- Sanjay Dadlani Criminal & Drunk At Large
- Occurrences of the number 108 - 1008
- Tapati And Her Sanjay-Repercussions
- International Sai Tribune Blog
- Feng Shui Buddha Mandalas
- Sanjay Dadlani and Brian Steel's Flip-Flopping
- Alaya Rahm's Failed Lawsuit
- SaiBabaExposed Blog Failing Fast
- saibabaexposed Not Number One
- Sai Baba's Internet Ban UN-CONFIRMED!
- Sanjay's Mind Of A Prostitute

blldexter (/m265) is "usedbybaba" / "abusedfor15years". More fake names from the fully exposed potty mouth and pervert: /m242 & /m247

Edited by author 09-28-2006 12:24 AM
Regarding Sanjay's claim that he has already discussed his vicious lie againt Tony O'clery (/m270) Sanjay should post those links here because I am not aware of any clarification made by him on other forums. I have not heard you give any explanation regarding your first-hand "informant" either.

Sanjay, please clarify why you claimed Glen Meloy was a disturbed person and why you said you had information that could ruin his reputation. There, I just asked for your clarification. Awaiting your response.

And I will aptly note you refused to say anything about your Aghori Vimalananda lie. Why? When and where did you meet Aghori Vimalananda?

you think the so called devotees will allow anyone to invetigate. NO, THEY WILL KILL HIM. Osama must be jelous of baba for having such wonderful (killers) devotees
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There goes Sanjay the liar again sticking his big nose where it doesn't belong. Sanjay, who has lied about his alleged experiences with the ahori Vimalananda (documented on saisathyasai.com in the Sanjay Dadlani section) has NO clue about my relationship with Sai Baba or ANY of the other masters who have blessed me with their grace for DECADES.


Sanjay Dadlani is a pathological liar who needs to seriously learn to mind his own business and clean up his life so he can stop being jealous of others. He lives at home with his parents at 28 years of age acts like a five year old most of the time. Sanjay is mad at me because I am the ONE who uncovered his sexual perversions and lies and began to began to document them in February of 2003.

Edited by author 09-28-2006 03:26 AM
We are investigating lenin aka abusedbybaba aka blldexter. You are a game player and liar just like the rest of you I have spoken to. Nobody kept you from going to the police. Nobody kept you from filing charges. The truth is, YOU are a liar and a coward. You are so cowardly you can't even tell me how old you are! Who can "investigate" a coward like YOU? You said even your OWN family doesn't believe you so WHY on earth should anyone else?

I have been researching these claims for four YEARS come this November and every accuser fits pretty much the same profile as lenin. They ALL appear to be attention-seeking pathological liars.

In addition, the Indian government has categorically denounced this group as a bunch of malicious liars so I can only conclude that the government HAS done and investigation and their specific findings are most likely a matter of national security as I do believe Sai Baba is most likely a national security asset and their specific findings are not to be released to the public. When Vajpayee et al made their very public announcement in the year 2000 any accusers could have personally raisied Cain for calling them liars but there was NOT a peep out of them about it. NOT ONE of the accusers wrote a letter to Vajpayee et al denouncing their statements!!! If I was a molestation victim I would have done that and more. So one can only wonder WHY the accusers are so VERY complacent whenever they have had the PERFECT opportunity to stand up for themselves.

Beast Master, if your intention is to look for the negative that is what you are going to find. You cannot seek the truth with a negative mind set disguised as a "search for the truth," and expect to find the truth because you are biased. The HONEST mind says, "I do not know what the truth is but I am open EXPERIENCING to WHATEVER the truth is. Open-mindedness is NOT gullibility. It is an HONEST enquiry into the nature of whatever one is focused on. And it is a process that most likely never ends in a lifetime.

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Hey lenin999, why don't you put your money where your big mouth is and get together with Beast Master since he is OBVIOUSLY on your side and wants to investigate? I bet you won't tell even him your name, age, or where you are from originally. Why, Because you are a game player. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Lenin999 aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years", you said you lived in Chennai, India. So why do you have an UK email address? What part of the UK did you allegedly live in? You never answered my previous question (/m246): Did you use the name "ex-sai student"?

I never said i lived in chennai it is your guess

Re /m276:

>> Sanjay is mad at me because I am the ONE who uncovered his sexual perversions and lies and began to began to document them in February of 2003. <<

Huh?

Let's set the record straight: Lisa De Witt has accused me of having sexual perversions as well as a whole host of other things, yet the record shows that she has not been able to prove even one of them. As if that wasn't enough, she has deliberately run away every single time that I have confronted her with the inherent contradictions in her own web of lies, deliberately avoiding the hard questions on every single occasion.

Now she sits here and pretends to be some hotshot investigator when not even one of her "accusations" have been proven. Not only against me, but against everyone else in her line of fire. And from 2003 too! That's about the only truthful statement in her ramble, that she has been running away from the truth for almost four years. Says a lot doesn't it? :-)

This is going on your blog, Lisa. :-) Another lie to fit in with all the others. :-)

And to the both of you rednecks: Do yourselves a favour and justify your existences here. Nobody is interested in your slanderous "crap". Surprisingly, people are only here to discuss Sathya Sai Baba, the subject of this board. Stay relevant or be ignored. :-)

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT SAI EXPOSED ON "insist on
disrupting the discussion on this board with your irrelevant and
baseless lies,"
THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.heartless animals.they call us selfish.Some of these scoundrels know that we are telling the truth but for some selfish reason keep disturbing us writing nonsensical posts.
I i said earlier you cannot wake up people who are acting as being asleep.

Assuming sanjay is a pervert.Atleast he is not making people fall at his feet and sexually abusing them.UNLIKE YOUR MASTER AND GURU.And why are you obsessed with Sex. are you jelous of his sexual capabilities. May be you are.Go and see a Pshycatrist. or go find a girl or boy of your choice.
BELIEVE ME, YOU ARE JELOUS.

Edited by author 09-29-2006 12:01 AM
Their obsession with sex and sexual abuse is indeed very strange. Not that the charges of sexual abuse are in any way to be minimised, but there is much more to the Sai Expose than sexual abuse such as his avatarhood, declarations of being God on earth, unscientific pronouncements, philosophical/theological inconsistencies and much more, which are all patently false and fraudulent. I have recently voiced these same sentiments on another forum, I am incredibly surprised at the level of interest in sex where Sai-defenders are concerned, having observed it myself for several years.

Edited by author 09-29-2006 01:26 AM
See post: /m272 For The Full Exposure Of Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED").

I will note that "lenin999@yahoo.co.uk" aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years" once again refused to answer my question if he used the name "ex-sai student". Also, see the kind of potty mouth "usedbybaba" has: /m242 & /m247

Now everyone can see how Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") is a pathological liar in action. First Sanjay claimed that:

Just for the record, I have discussed the Tony O'Clery "lie" on other forums in public, in full view of O'Clery who agreed with my viewpoint and also accepts that I never lied about it (/m270)

Now that Sanjay has been challenged to provide his posts made in other forums, he refuses to do it! One will also notice that Sanjay claimed that O'Clery accepted that Sanjay never lied about O'Clery having sex with Sanjay's first-hand "informant" and David Bailey! Since Sanjay claimed that O'Clery "accepts" that Sanjay did not lie, O'Clery is admitting that he was banned from the Vancouver Sai Center for sexual molestation! So O'Clery is a pervert, a molestor and a homosexual! Sanjay just confirmed it and said O'Clery approved it as well!

One will also notice how Sanjay rants about how I do not care to clarify my comments by asking him directly. Once I ask him directly, he tells me it's none of my business and that he will expose my alleged lies on his own time. That's the reason I don't ask him :-)

As I said before, Sanjay Kiwhore Dadlani is a pathological liar, pervert, Jesus Sex Fetishist, a self-professed drunk and psychologically disturbed person out of his own mouth! If anyone has been shown to be "obsessed with sex", it is Sinjay.

Stay tuned, a scathing response exposing Sanjay the Psychopath is in the works. As a matter of fact, the more Sanjay talks, the more he confirms the fact that he is a psychopath. lol
Push, I'll push back harder :-)

Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

Edited by author 09-29-2006 03:22 AM
Sanjay seems to forget it is he and his sordid crew that have spent the last SIX years obsessing over sexual allegations the Indian government says are FICTION. Then on top of that Sanjay seems to like to air his sexual obsessions on the internet by posting his drivel on sex blogs with links to other sex blogs like teensinboots.com and suicidegirls.com! Regardless of how much Sanjay, the pathological liar whines and lies about it, ALL this information is documented on Joe's site, saisathyasai.com.

And then when I see a person like lenin999 aka abusedbybaba aka blldexter jumping "into bed" with Sanjay yet claiming to be a molestation "victim" abused by Baba while he was an adult in college, I wonder just WHERE the insanity in this group of PERVERSE anti-Sais ends.

Unfortunately, I think this group is so ARROGANTLY corrupt, the only way to shut them up is to sue them or throw them in jail. One thing is for sure. Their karma has certainly run over their dogma.

Edited by author 09-29-2006 07:21 AM
[http://www.thepost.co.za/general/print_art...tionId=1&fSetId=517 I'm blessed]
 

By Yogas Nair

As millions of devotees around the world celebrate the 80th birthday of Sri Sathya Sai Baba today (Wednesday), an unemployed Benoni father and his two children are giving thanks for the "amazing" miracles which have blessed their humble Actonville home - coconut water oozing from a lingum; sacred vibbuthi (ashes), kumkum and turmeric splattering pictures of Sai Baba and other Hindu deities, and honey trickling from the trunk of a Lord Ganesha statue.

For many years single parent Roy Naidoo, 45, a former chef, of Caledon Street, and his children Kreeson, 11, and Krystal, 14, have moved from home to home, relying on the generosity of people to survive. However, despite their trying circumstances, they left their fate at the "lotus feet of our Swamiji, Sri Sathya Sai Baba".

With no television or radio to entertain them at the time, Kreeson and Krystal often passed their time by singing praises to their Divine Master. In July this year Naidoo was at his wit's end - he was unemployed and living in a single garage with his two children was not the "ideal situation".

Naidoo said: "The kids had gone to school and I was sitting outside thinking about my future when I heard a sound similar to a kettle boiling. I went inside but the kettle was switched off. I went back outside and heard the same noise again. When I went to investigate I saw vibbuthi literally boiling out of a picture of Sai Baba."

He said the white, strongly scented ash was "flying" out of the picture and on to the floor and ceiling. "I was in awe. Within minutes neighbours had flocked to my home and were amazed at what was happening."

Naidoo said as the days passed his home became a "shrine" where raisins, kumkum, pendants and rings "miraculously" appeared. "We were truly blessed. Every day was a new miracle and people were coming in their hundreds to witness it."

He said on Luxmi pooja day (a prayer dedicated to the goddess of wealth and prosperity) they were miraculously blessed with red strings on Swami's pictures and on Ganesha day, honey began trickling from the trunk of a Ganesha statue in the ashram.

Two weeks ago, Naidoo went on a pilgrimage to Baba's ashram in Puttaparthi, thanks to two devotees who paid for his air ticket and expenses.

"I was longing to see Baba and was blessed with his presence on the third day of my visit to his ashram. He was giving darshan (blessing) from his car and I was upset because I wanted to see him physically. It was as if he had read my mind. The car stopped and he came up to me.

"He said 'I am always with you' and 'I give South Africa my highest blessings'. He then waved his hand and materialised a lingum for me which was covered with ashes. I was suddenly mobbed by devotees and had to be taken away under police escort."

On his return home Naidoo, who said he was identified because of a South African sash, said he felt "reborn" and would continue to do seva (charity work) in Swami's name.

"I have been called a fake by many people. Some have even accused me of placing the vibbuthi on the walls and pictures myself. For them I have just one message - I live each day by Swami's name and one day you will come to know the truth."

Samantha Packery, 28, a planner, of Boksburg, said she had "witnessed" many of the miracles.

"Swami has found a home in Benoni and it is as a result of Roy's devotion and love for him. We have all been blessed and every moment at Roy's ashram is a spiritually fulfilling experience."
Selven Govender, 42, a wealthy businessman, of Northmead, said "seeing is believing". "I have seen these miracles happen and how it has changed the lives of people. This is divine bliss and has been a life-changing experience for me and my family."

Footnote: I visited Roy Naidoo and his family on Saturday and was amazed by their love and devotion for Shri Sathya Sai Baba. When I entered the ashram my nostrils were filled with the sweet smell of ashes and I felt weak at the knees.

I was suddenly filled with tearful emotion. As we spoke, it seemed like Swami was acknowledging the interview as spots of kumkum appeared on the carpet where we sat. A very calm Roy was not surprised and just said "He's listening to you" but for me it was a mind- boggling experience.

I do believe in miracles and it seems that Baba has chosen Roy to spread his love and teachings because of his loyalty and humility.

To me these miracles are Swami's way of reaffirming his presence and giving hope to the millions of destitute, sick, unemployed and confused people who look to him for sanity and salvation.

Published on the web by Post on November 22, 2005.
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YOU ARE RIGHT.one more point.Baba has way of learning new things.In the beginning babs used kasthuri to tell him certain things in a layman's language and later it was v.k.narasimhan, who used to go to the SSSIHL library and select books to read and give the gist of the matter. babs also had a Gospel of sri rama krishna (telugu version) in his room from where he would quote in his speeches.No wonder he always praised Ramakrishna paramahamsa.He used to tell us that Swami Vivekananda had sexual relations with sister nivedita and the same for Aurobindo and mother.He thought every one was like him.
  In the hostel there were homos and there were some who always talked about this or dicussed how to watch two homos etc. these were fellows who actually wanted to be a part of this but were afraid to do it without getting caught. Now we know why some sai defenders are obsessed with sex.
  AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED YOU AREE DOING A GREAT JOB.

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lenin999's extreme perversion


http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/52927

Edited by author 09-29-2006 10:21 PM
The previous article WAS about Sai Baba and his MIRACLES. Are you REALLY that dumb and corrupt lenin999 or are you just dyslexic?

You seem to keep forgetting it is YOU who is obsessed with sex and keeps talking about it, as well as talking like a pervert, lenin999. In fact you seem to enjoy all the attention a little too much.

When Baba has people around him 24/7, WHEN does he have time to talk like the way you claim? See, you are so DUMB you think you can CON everybody by talking like a trench mouth and not have to provide ANY proof. Put up or shut up trench mouth.

You OBVIOUSLY have a loose mouth and sound like a gossipy old woman. You cannot give ONE specific incident that happened and provide ANY corroborative witnesses as to your slimey claims.
If you think you are going to continue to get away with your slimey accusations without providing some proof you have another thing coming.

Re /m289:

As is typical of Gerald Moreno's moronic drivel, just see how he changes from day to day:

>> Now that Sanjay has been challenged to provide his posts made in other forums, he refuses to do it! <<

Excuse me, but the issue here is Gerald's poor performance of research. He presumptuously claimed (with no evidence) that I had lied about O'Clery and Glen Meloy. When it was pointed out to him that this issue was clarified (O'Clery, not Meloy) as per /m270, he suddenly changed and asked me to do his research for him (/m274)!

So because Gerald Moreno is such a blatant lazybones who cannot be bothered to research properly, despite actively participating in the same discussion forum, he now decides that I "refuse" to supply him with the information because he is far too lazy to look for it himself.

No one is fooled by your lies, Joe. You are a lazy bum. If you want to know about this issue, you look for it. We all know it is there, and we both know how hard it is to look for things in the back archives of ssb2. :-) Tough luck, you are in the business of cleaning gutters and collecting trash, so you get on with what is expected of you. I have no need to lower myself to your level when I am engaged in the task of exposing a homosexual disgusting pervert like Sai Baba, and his disgusting followers such as yourself. :-)

Don't be switchin' your positions now! Be a goo dboy and admit where you're wrong. :-)


>> One will also notice that Sanjay claimed that O'Clery accepted that Sanjay never lied about O'Clery having sex with Sanjay's first-hand "informant" and David Bailey! Since Sanjay claimed that O'Clery "accepts" that Sanjay did not lie, O'Clery is admitting that he was banned from the Vancouver Sai Center for sexual molestation! So O'Clery is a pervert, a molestor and a homosexual! Sanjay just confirmed it and said O'Clery approved it as well! <<

This is the result of the fermentation within a psychopathic brain like Gerald Moreno's. OK Gerald, let me take pity on you and give you the short version of the story (feel free to look for the posts on ssb2 to back it up, I'm still not doing your dirty work for you): Tony O'Clery claimed that I had made posts against him when I was a defending devotee of Sathya Sai Baba (and he was a critic), which consisted of allegations more or less like the ones you mention. Tony thinks that I did this because I was a brainwashed devotee who believed the information that was provided to me, which is apparently why I made those posts in the first place (exactly like you do now, posting all your filth everywhere). The only problem is that I do not remember making such posts. I have no record of them in my files and nobody else does either. The posts are non-existent. Try finding them in the SSBDC archives if you can. In any case, if I did in fact make those posts then I publicly apologised to Tony (at least twice if I recall) on SSB2 and he accepted it. The issue is over, except for morons like you who perpetuate it. Look at your quoted paragraph above and see how silly it looks in light of the facts.

Now here's something for you to answer: Since there is no record of any defamatory postings by me against Tony, your only source is an old post by Tony (on SSBDC) which he made when I turned into a critic, wherein he states that I should apologise for making those allegations against him. Since I have no recollection of the posts at hand and neither does Tony or anyone else, your only source for this whole story is that one post from Tony demanding an apology. Until just now, you did not know the whole facts of the matter, and you are on record in several places making unsubstantiated allegations against me for my apparent allegations against Tony (all on record of course).

Since you have also, in many places, declared Tony O'Clery to be a pathological liar for many reasons of your own which you have so kindly documented :-), you have to explain why you believe Tony O'Clery's one post that appears to have no substance to it? It's funny what you pick and choose to believe, isn't it? :-) It doesn't matter, we have noted your intellectual dishonesty in the past and we will continue to record it. :-) You are a bum and a deceitful rascal, picking and choosing anything just so you can get along with your job of smearing Sai Baba's critics. You even believe critics whenever it suits you, and disagree with the rest of it. LOL. No wonder you are a "f*****g wackjob", you sausage boy. :-)


>> One will also notice how Sanjay rants about how I do not care to clarify my comments by asking him directly. Once I ask him directly, he tells me it's none of my business and that he will expose my alleged lies on his own time. That's the reason I don't ask him :-) <<


Or it might be because Gerald Moreno is such a heartless conscience-less desultory piece of "humanity" that his response to any clarification about Glen Meloy will desecrate the memory of departed Glen Meloy. He will still do it when I decide to make my clarification, and I will be ready to record any such desecration when he does it. :-) The main point here is that Gerald Moreno simply does not know what he is talking about, and his statements so far on the subject are enough comedic material to keep us laughing until our sides are in danger of splitting. :-)

Psycho Joe, get it into you thick head: NOBODY LISTENS TO YOU. :-) You are a confirmed psychopath and a "f*****g wackjob". You cannot even come up with a defensive Sai Baba argument to save your life, you pick on critics because they are easy targets, lol. You are a lily-livered sausage boy who nobody cares about. :-) For Christ's sake get it into your thick head and leave us alone to discuss Sai Baba, you moron.

Re /m289:

>> Stay tuned, a scathing response exposing Sanjay the Psychopath is in the works. As a matter of fact, the more Sanjay talks, the more he confirms the fact that he is a psychopath. lol Push, I'll push back harder :-) <<

Save it, I've already seen it, and it's not "scathing" at all. I found it incredibly boring, not least for the fact that Gerald Moreno has again rehashed the same thing that he keeps repeating over and over again like a parrot. I yawned while reading it. Fancy using exaggerated blog posts as "evidence", lol.

And for the record, Gerald Moreno again misrepresents me: He claims that my knowledge of psychopathy etc. is that of a "layman". Whereas it is true that I have no qualifications in the field to speak of, I am a student of BSc. Psychology, and so consequently I am well-placed to speak of such things, widely reading about it and passing exams on it, duh. For the record I am due to attend a seminar on psychoapthy on October 12th. I wish Gerald Moreno would jet over here so that I could take him and show him to everyone as a perfect example of a psychopath. :-) His last sentence in the above quote is a word-perfect example of infantile behaviour. :-)

Sorry Gerald, you are still a CONFIRMED psychopath who makes fun of people's disabilities and get's called a "f*****g wackjob". No wonder you were thrown out of the same forum three times in succession. Lol. Now get lost and come back when you have something interesting to say, sausage boy.

To get back to matters of Sai Baba, I have heard that B.V. Narasimha Swamiji (orthodox Shirdi Sai Baba devotee) wrote about the young Sathyanarayana Raju in his famed 'Sai Sudha' magazine. If anybody has more details about this 'Sai Sudha' report I'll be most grateful, thanks.

saibabaexposed[at]gmail[dot]com

Edited by author 09-30-2006 02:56 AM
LOL, Sanjay is a student of "b.s." psychology alright. Ask him why he has been claiming he has been in school since the year 2000 and still does not have a degree. In 2000 he was claiming he was studying multi media and then changed it to computers. The only thing we have proof of is that Sanjay was using the computer room at Middlesex University (where he admitting to guzzling vodka) and stalking women on campus with his camera so he could post their pics on his streetbitches blog along with disgusting comments like, "They want it," and even more perverse comments not fit to print.

More than likely Sanjay hangs out on the campus so that he can gawk at the girls and drool over their boots.

THESE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY PAID TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SENSIBLE DISDUSSION , FOR A SENSIBLE ONE WILL REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT BABA. WE SPOKE ABOUT BAB'S CREATION VIDEO BUT THEY SLIP AWAY BY JUST CALLING NAMES.I ASKED ABOUT THE MURDERS THERE IS NO PROPER RESPONSE.INSTEAD THEY JUS ABUSE.TRUTH IS BITTER. JOE108,VISHVARUPA108 AND LISA DON'T HAVE THE GUTS TO FACE THE TRUTH.MAYBE THEY ARE TOO DEEP INTO THIS BABA THING AND PEOPLE WILL LAUGH AT THEM IFTHEY SAY THEY FOLLOWED A FALSE GURU.SANJAY,THEY WILL NEVER COME TO THE POINT.I AM 1000% SURE.
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joe wrote: (where he admitting to
guzzling vodka) and stalking women on campus with his camera

how does that matter to you.Are you jelous.if u want u can also have vodka
or toddy.How the hell is it related to baba and his mischeifs.

As promised, an extensive and fully documented article exposing:
(link) SANJAY THE PSYCHOPATH


See post: /m272 For The Full Exposure Of Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED").

"lenin999@yahoo.co.uk" aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years" is a pervert with proof: /m242 & /m247 His accusations against Sathya Sai Baga are useless and without effect considering he is not only a pervert, he is a pathological liar (recently claiming I have a wife and that I was having sex chats with AngelSeraphim: Reference).

Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

Edited by author 09-30-2006 11:24 AM
"lenin999@yahoo.co.uk" aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years" is not only pervert with proof: /m242 & /m247 He thinks there is nothing wrong with Sanjay secretly stalking innocent teenagers, mothers and female Middlesex University students with his digicam, taking pictures up their dresses and under tables and posting over 300 pictures of his lustful sexual escapes on his StreetBitches Blog! To date, Sanjay has never denied that he created this blog. Not even once!

Apparently, "lenin999@yahoo.co.uk" aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years" sensitivities toward sexual exploitation are limited to unproven and unverfiable allegations against Sathya Sai Baba. When it comes to the proven sexual exploitation of innocent female teenagers, mothers and students (behavior also caught by the webmaster of GauidyaDiscussions.com, a friend of Sanjay) "usedbybaba" thinks there is nothing wrong with this type of behavior and actually cheers and justifies the sexual exploitation of innocent women! Sanjay even referred to some of the women as "MILFs" (an acronym for "Mother's I'd Like To F*ck". Enough said.

These are the perverts and moral degenerates trying to expose Sathya Sai Baba.

don't change the topic.you are baba's stooge and everyone knows this.i wrote the following and see this cold blooded animal's answer.I repeat,these bums DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS BABA AND THAT IS THEIR SOLE AIM.ANGEL CLEARLY WROTE THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BABA OR MANDIR BUT ABOUT ME.iS THIS TOPIC:Sathya Sai Baba, 2005, who is he? OR Usedbybaba 2006 who is he ? or is it Sanjay dadlani and his life?
HOW CHEAP CAN YOU ALL GO. get out of this discussion and start your own you SOB.


THESE PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY PAID TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SENSIBLE DISDUSSION , FOR A SENSIBLE ONE WILL REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT BABA. WE SPOKE ABOUT BAB'S CREATION VIDEO BUT THEY SLIP AWAY BY JUST CALLING NAMES.I ASKED ABOUT THE MURDERS THERE IS NO PROPER RESPONSE.INSTEAD THEY JUS ABUSE.TRUTH IS BITTER. JOE108,VISHVARUPA108 AND LISA DON'T HAVE THE GUTS TO FACE THE TRUTH.MAYBE THEY ARE TOO DEEP INTO THIS BABA THING AND PEOPLE WILL LAUGH AT THEM IFTHEY SAY THEY FOLLOWED A FALSE GURU.SANJAY,THEY WILL NEVER COME TO THE POINT.I AM 1000% SURE.

Edited by author 09-30-2006 01:40 PM
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/52927

> --- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years
> <usedbybaba@> wrote:
> > ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth.
> > You don't have to tell them about the other similar discussions
> that
> > you had with joe 108.His wife may not like it.you are a very
> naughty
> > girl.
> --- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years
> <usedbybaba@> wrote:
> >
> > who is premanand?
> > by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole.
> > you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among
> these is premanand. u must have molested your brother or father and
> blamed them for this
> > Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by
> BaBA.I can write worse than this and i am capable of doing more, u
> shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth.Maybe you eat
> through your bottom.
> > You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying.
> You bi''**h
> > Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine.
> > tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally
> meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr
> mouth.
> > If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I
> remember people for life and don't take me for granted.
> > BAS****D
> --- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years
> <usedbybaba@> wrote:
> >
> > sob sob sob sob sob.If you like the taste of linga how can you
> object to some one "molesting " you. Go and taste baba's linga . or
> rathnakar maybe.it is free .They told me he is divorced.Is it true?
> if it is true you can get married to him. try him he is only in his
> thirties unlike BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his
> seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know .maybe he
> will adjust it when he knows he is going to die to suit the stories
> that he told.
> >
> > by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the third leg. we
> know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is cock
> u dummy.
> >
>

Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth?
lingam sucking swine u must have molested your brother or father.
you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among
these is premanand.Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA
we know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is
cock u dummy.

Sanjay you wrote :To get back to matters of Sai Baba, I have heard that B.V. Narasimha Swamiji (orthodox Shirdi Sai Baba devotee) wrote about the young Sathyanarayana Raju in his famed 'Sai Sudha' magazine. If anybody has more details about this 'Sai Sudha' report I'll be most grateful, thanks.
CAN YOU GIVE ME THE DATE OF PUBLICATION? MAYBE THAT WILL HELP

OMG lenin999 ,Why did you post something so hideously perverted?

lenin999,watch your dirty mouth,it's bad for your Karma and stuff!

"lingam sucking swine u must have molested your brother or father."
Swine molested her brother or father??
OMG,how dare you using dear animals in your perversions.
Bad boy!

CHECKING

Edited by author 09-30-2006 02:06 PM
"Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth? lingam sucking swine u must have molested your brother or father.
blldexter wrote:
well I DID NOT POST THIS AND THIS IS A NEW TRICK FOR WHICH I WILL NOT FALL"

well I'm just posting under your name, it's what you posted earlier,they're you perversions and should be assigned to your name,they're your creation.

I am used by baba . i canalso do your tricki did not post this now .it was done long back. and they are trying to copy and send it in my name. I was extremely angry when i wrote this but i have stopeed for some days before i cooled down. now is it possible to write in my name.yes i can

"I am used by baba . i canalso do your tricki did not post this now .it was done long back. and they are trying to copy and send it in my name. I was extremely angry when i wrote this but i have stopeed for some days before i cooled down. now is it possible to write in my name.yes i can"

are you slow?
i said i posted it ,but it's your perversion ,you've created it!
you're capable,some or not,but you're capable of writing down hideous perversion.

Bad boy!

I will kill you usedbybaba you are an arsehole. Are you leaking below.Don't tell me baba f****cked you He would prefer me.I am more girlish than you you lier.the lingam is mine

My god joe 108 why do you have to stoop so low.why do you post all nonsense in the name of shady.it is not fair

"joe 108 316
 
09-30-2006 02:10 PM ET (US)
 I will kill you usedbybaba you are an arsehole. Are you leaking below.Don't tell me baba f****cked you He would prefer me.I am more girlish than you you lier.the lingam is mine "

Hi usedbybaba,thanks for revealing once again,your true nature.
My experiment was successful.

Under your name i posted your perversion.

You on the other hand under Joe's name posted your perversion,that perversion belongs to your mind and not his.

I assumed i would provoke you enough ,so you would spew some more of your hideous perversion,you're capable of it,that's for sure.

Once again you've showed us and once again you've been a
BAD BOY!

Hey krishana.I am afterll your brother.listin,don't believe these people who claim to like baba. they might use you.careful.They are mother fu****g ba***ds.Don't support them.they can stoop to any level

"My god joe 108 why do you have to stoop so low.why do you post all nonsense in the name of shady.it is not fair"

ermm,nooo under your name i posted your perversion,or is that still not clear to you.It belongs to you and it should be posted under your name.

Hey you did that.what happend to our friendship.unnecessarily i called usedbybaba names.I am sorry usedbybaba.Now i know who is the pervert.She "O"
sorry he Hmmmmm "IT" is in my camp.

Edited by author 09-30-2006 02:25 PM
"balarama 319
 
09-30-2006 02:16 PM ET (US)
 Hey krishana.I am afterll your brother.listin,don't believe these people who claim to like baba. they might use you.careful.They are mother fu****g ba***ds.Don't support them.they can stoop to any level "

Hi!
I'm not really Krishna.I just chose that username!
What are you talking about.You're my brother?
Wahhh??
btw,speaking of stooping to levels,stop using perverted language
okaaaaaaay?

Finally the truth comes out about "lenin999@yahoo.co.uk" aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years" (the fully exposed pervert with proof: /m242 & /m247).

Not only is he using multiple names, he also attempted to use my name "Joe 108" (notice the poor spelling and grammar?). My name is registered and has a star next to it.

lenin999,
ask Krishna for forgiveness and enough with perversion already.
Perverted words are useless. Gobble, gobble, gobble. There is too much of it, darling. Too much

Here is the post that "lenin999@yahoo.co.uk" aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years" made under the name "blldexter" that he deleted:

"This was posted long time ago and someone is copying it and sending it .go back and see .it was posted long back and i stopeed getting angry.even though they are calling me names.now who are you krishna and shady? suddenly coming into the picture and answering.well I DID NOT POST THIS AND THIS IS A NEW TRICK FOR WHICH I WILL NOT FALL"

Tell me the guy is not mentally challenged (as most self-proclaimed, alleged victims are).

Here is the post that JOE 108
 made under the name "blldexter" that he
deleted:
"This was posted long time ago and someone is copying it and
sending it .go back and see .it was posted long back and i
stopeed getting angry.even though they are calling me names.now
who are you krishna and shady? suddenly coming into the picture
and answering.well I DID NOT POST THIS AND THIS IS A NEW TRICK
FOR WHICH I WILL NOT FALL"
Tell me the guy is not mentally challenged (as most
self-proclaimed, alleged victims are).

Edited by author 09-30-2006 02:52 PM
"Here is the post that JOE 108
made under the name "blldexter" that he
deleted:"

ermmmm, nope, it's a post you(lenin999/abused.../"blldexter") posted and deleted.I saw it.
Why are you lying?this is no big deal,why do you need to lie about something so insignificant.
Lying is generally a bad thing to do!
Bad boy!

"ask Krishna .... There is too much of it, darling. Too much.
My god you calim to be a man and you call Lenin as darling TOOOOOO MUCH.

Finally the truth comes out about joe 108.He is using my name and
 
Not only is he using multiple names, he also attempted to use my
name "blldexter" (notice the poor spelling and grammar?). My name
is registered .Look how low he can stoop. ho that is his job as directed by baba

"ask Krishna .... There is too much of it, darling. Too much.
My god you calim to be a man and you call Lenin as darling TOOOOOO MUCH."

I quoted Edna from The Incredibles.I watched a DVD recently and I'm still under influence.

BTW,why do you speak of yourself in a 3rd person.
it's a Total and a complete mess.

ermmmm, nope, it's a post you(joe 108) posted and deleted.I saw it.
Why are you lying?this is no big deal,why do you need to lie about something so insignificant.
Lying is generally a bad thing to do!

"Finally the truth comes out about joe 108.He is using my name and
 
Not only is he using multiple names, he also attempted to use my
name "blldexter" (notice the poor spelling and grammar?). My name
is registered .Look how low he can stoop. ho that is his job as directed by baba"

"blldexter", your name is not registered, Joe's name is,You don't make sense as usual.

Edited by author 09-30-2006 03:06 PM
Lenin999
Do you now understand why you don't appear to be credible?
If you're bored stop with perversions and watch the Incredibles.

Edited by author 09-30-2006 09:09 PM
Something, funny I've noticed.

I quoted Edna Mode from "The Incredibles" in my response to lenin999 in a thread where we discuss credibility.

i watched the movie in a multiplex years ago and bought a DVD recently.
I think Edna Mode is a hilarious character.

I didn't think about the title of the movie while posting and quoting Edna( "words are useless. Gobble, gobble, gobble. There is too much of it, darling. Too much") i just remembered that sentance ...but like i said i wasn't even aware of the meaning of the movie title,not until after i saw my response appear and there it was ,above lenin999/blldexter 's post ,the title "The IncrediblEs"
and i thought to myself,wow,what a coincidence!!!

incredible

adjective

Not plausible or believable: flimsy, implausible, improbable, inconceivable, shaky, thin, unbelievable, unconceivable, unconvincing, unsubstantial, weak. See likely/unlikely.
Not to be believed: inconceivable, unbelievable, unimaginable, unthinkable.

BWAHAHAH

re /m271 .

Awareness, consciousness breed spirituality
Ignorance, confusion breed superstition
- Beast Master, 2006

Joe108,

The reference to Erlendur Haraldsson's work has no value here since his goal was to record the paranormal experiences but not to investigate credibility, phenomena or the meaning of ash falling off picture frames.

You seem to be betting on lack of explanation. Sai devotees should get these mysteries investigated by independant third party teams to avoid Sai movement ending up into superstition. In such case guess what happens in the 8 years period from the time of SSB passing away and Prem Sai coming into being. How can you stop fake devotees manipulate these events to confuse the genuine devotees?

Sai devotees should deploy an independant third party expert committee to investigate the following aspects;

- Credibility: is it really happening or is the devotee, suffering from a psychological disorder manipulating?

- Phenomenon: How is the holy ash which is made of cow dung is reaching the picture frames? How is honey which is nectar from the flowers collected and processed by bees is oozing from the glass plate of the pictures? How about finger prints? Who are they matching to?

- Theological implication: Is it a good sign or a bad one? Is God or Satan sending a message? Or is it aliens? How is it linked to SSB? What does it indicate if the same is happening to Ammachi or some other Avatars?

There are no investigative reports published on Voodoo magic as well. Again, there is as much confusion exist on this mystery just as that on Voodoo magic.

- Beast Master

Edited by author 10-01-2006 12:58 AM
It may be a coincidence, but I was just about to say the exact same thing. Since Sai Baba has never submitted himself to a serious scientific investigation, despite being challenged to do so (by Narasimhaiah) and requested by Haraldsson, any "scientific" investigation by Haraldsson is of no value.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great book. I've read it. But those of us who have been trained to carry out and perform scientific investigations will know that Haraldsson's work is not a scientific investigation of any kind. It is merely an empirical report based on his own observations, which he had no choice to do anyway since Sai Baba refused his requests for an investigative experiment.

One can muse that Sai Baba repeatedly refuses to submit himself to experiments is because he is scared that all of his simpleton tricks will be exposed. It has already been established that simple street magicians can replicate every miracle than Sai Baba can "do", including the Lingodbhavam, so Sai Baba is nothing special.

Edited by author 10-01-2006 01:10 AM
I'm awfully sorry to interrupt the scintillating(!) level of discussion here, but Sai Baba has just been fully exposed as a fraud, a sham, a conman and a liar.

--------------------------------

A Full Exposure of Sathya Sai Baba's claims to be the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba (d. 1918). Complete re-evaluation of the facts in the light of new evidence that blows apart unquestioned and accepted histories in the hagiographic milieu of Puttaparthi.


Sai Baba's Shirdi LIES - | Introduction | Kasturi's storytelling | Shirdi Sai Baba unknown in Puttaparthi | Sathya Sai Baba interviewed declaring his identity with Shirdi Sai |


Sai Baba's Shirdi LIES 2 - | Sathyanarayana Raju worshipping Shirdi Sai in 1941 | Raju attending Shirdi Sai bhajan sessions | Puttaparthi villagers "trained" under Narasimha Swamiji | Raju's two uncles openly worshipping Shirdi Baba | Classmates testify Raju's worship of Shirdi Baba | A strong culture of Shirdi worship in Puttaparthi |


Sai Baba's Shirdi LIES 3 - | Raju bitten by a scorpion in 1940 | A turning-point in Raju's life | Sathya Sai Baba denies scorpion bite | Raju's sister confirms scorpion bite in 1943 | Raju's suffering and epileptic seizures | Raju taken for exorcisms | Raju affirms he is under Sai Baba's protection |


Sai Baba's Shirdi LIES 4 - | Raju's brother muses on Shirdi Sai possession | Ra. Ganapati muses further on possession | H.S. Dixit on Shirdi Sai's return after 8 years (or not) | Sathya Sai claims Dixit misreportage | Ganapati musing unacceptable due to self-serving convenience | Sathya Sai devotees' ignorance of Shirdi culture and practice | January 2006 punitive legal action |


Sai Baba's Shirdi LIES 5 - | Shocking discovery of Shirdi name misused | Raju's brother & sister claim Narasimha Swami visit | Brief description of Narasimha Swami's activities | Narayana Baba says Shirdi Baba not reincarnated | Brief recap of last four articles | Sathya Sai's empire foundations to crumble | Narasimha Swami on Shirdi succession | Narasimha Swami indicates Raju not a reincarnation | Narasimha Swami discusses Dixit's 8-year claim | Narasimha Swami regards posthumous Shirdi miracles as evidence of Shirdi Sai's ever-living presence | Narasimha Swami concludes no successor for Shirdi Sai Baba |

Copyright © Sai Baba EXPOSED! 2005-2006.

Edited by author 10-01-2006 01:54 AM
Oh and by the way, to get away from the craziness of the braindead zombies (Sai Baba devotees/defenders) and since there is obviously no moderator here (which is why they can get away with their foolishness) feel free to join a new QuickTopic forum opened just now:

Sai Baba EXPOSED!

The rules are very simple: Discussion is about Sai Baba, and no ad-hominem attacks on other posters will be tolerated. Devotees etc. are welcome of course, providing that they follow the rules.

Edited by author 10-01-2006 01:42 AM
Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") has been fully exposed as a fraud, a sham, a conman and a pathological liar with proof. See /m272 for a full list

It is also amusing that Sanjay is claiming he read Haraldsson's book when he does not even have it! As a matter of fact, it is still listed on his froogle wish-list where he is begging for books on Sathya Sai Baba. See for yourself: Reference. Why would Sanjay be begging for Haraldsson's book if he has already had access to it?

Sanjay is such a pathetic liar, it is unreal!

Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

New blog articles starting tomorrow :-)

Edited by author 10-01-2006 05:21 AM
CO2000 is NOT joe, usedbybaba! CO2000=conscientiousobjector2000 abbreviated. Seems to me you are the one wasting everyone's time with your continuous mind games usedbybaba. You guys have had YEARS to prove your case and all you do is play mind games and lie! You haven't responded to ANY of my points honestly. You have evaded, hid behind other usernames, like blldexter, to make it look like there are more of you than there are, etc.. It's obvious this is all a big game to you. You are nothing but a sick sadist who likes to torture people with your idiotic mind games. You won't get away with it.

Edited by author 10-01-2006 07:08 AM
Beast Master,
Even Uri Geller was tested by people in the U.S. intelligence communty and you bozos are still calling him a fake. And I don't see you demanding that Christian or any other miracles be evaluated in the same way! If you demand one YOU MUST demand all or you reveal yourself to be nothing but a hypocrite and/or racist.
Why are you picking on just Sai Baba? I know you won't answer me because you know I've got your number. You want Baba to do this and that to prove his powers but you are not really smart enough to even know how to set the parameters for such demands. You can't even post your name online honestly for God's sake yet you have all kinds of demands for others! Pathetic.

And another thing...when are you going to hold the anti-Sais to the same standards of PROOF you are trying to hold Sai Baba to?
Without legal standards of PROOF you are ALREADY assuming Baba is guilty. This is why I cannot take people like you seriously. You live by one set of rules for yourself and another for everyone else. You want proof and when it is given you ignore it. Then, when you are asked for proof you supply NONE and pretend the laws don't apply to you. And then you wonder why people like me are totally exasperated with your hypocrisy.

Edited by author 10-01-2006 02:09 AM
Re /m339:

Trust Gerald Moreno to continue drooling like a rabid ignoramus. I may not have the book but I have read it, dork. LOL, "unreal". :-) Notice how Moreno pounce son me every time I say something, perverted little homosexual obsessive stalker. Chee!

Tough luck, Sai Baba has just suffered the biggest expose of his life. His entire empire is based on his declaration to be Shirdi Sai, and now that whole empire comes crumbling down. He is a liar, pure and simple. :-)

Oh, and I hope you all noticed the irony of the postings; Since Sathya Sai Baba is an equally stupid fellow who contradicts himself all the time, he has given two dates for the birth of Shirdi Sai Baba, which is quite presumptuous since no one knows Shirdi's birthdate. The two dates are Sept 27 1838 and Sep 28 1835. So my articles were split between Sep 27 and 28. :-)

Parthi Baba's boo-boo on Shirdi Baba. :-)

Edited by author 10-01-2006 11:34 AM

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") fully exposed: (See /m272)

To the contrary, Sanjay Dadlani has just suffered the biggest expose of his life. Sanjay's entire looney-cartoon-world is crumbling down. Sanjay is a liar, pure and simple. :-)

Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

Rege Rebuffs Sai Baba

Notable Shirdi devotees like Justice M.B. Rege who were alive at the time Sathya Sai was actively promoting himself as the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai, never authenticated him as a reincarnation. Ditto for other Shirdi stalwarts such as B.V. Narasimha Swamiji.

The Shirdi snowball rolling down the hill gains increasing speed and momentum. :-)

Sai Baba the Liar told the media that he knew that he was Shirdi Sai Baba because the fact that only he knew and nobody else knew was proof of the fact, declaring it so in 1940, which we now know to be 1943.

However, he himself was actively worshipping Shirdi Sai Baba in 1941, attending bhajans and satsangs to a guru who apparently no one knew about, and correcting readings from the life-story of a saint who nobody knew about, not least having two uncles who were openly devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba. So much for only him knowing about Shirdi Sai Baba. He is a liar, plain and simple. :-)

If this is not devastating then I don't know what is! :-)

Edited by author 10-02-2006 09:15 PM
And we know exactly why the year was changed from 1943 to 1940, don't we? :-)

Hmmmm... sounds like a new expose coming up. ;-)

Feel free to discuss all of this and more. :-)

re /m341

Co2000,

We need to see what was Uri Geller tested for and what were the results? This kind of claims need a 3 level investigation, like I said in the earlier post- credibility, Phenomenon and Theological implication.

Claim: lightning is originated in the sky without manual intervention.

Phenomenon: God Zeus(or varun) throws the bright light either into the sky or onto earth.

Theological implication: God Zeus(or varun) is angry. Something is going on that makes him angry. We must try please him.

After investigation here is our current understanding:

Credibility of the claim: Yes, genuine claim. There is no manual intervention. It is originated in the sky.

Phenomenon: Weather study is complex. Lightning is more common with cumulus clouds than with other types of clouds. Air currents in the cloud cause the water particles to charge up to a very high levels of static electric charge. The difference in static charge in 2 objects(example erath-cloud, cloud-cloud) results in sudden discharge. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning for more.

Theological implications: I will leave this to individual view points.

But the exploration of lightning only suggests that this world is more complex, more beautiful and there is more to explore. It is haste to conclude without ever probing investigation. Hasty conclusions lead you to superstition. Exploration shows clearer path to God than ignorance.

Again,

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind., Albert Einstein, 1941

- Beast Master

No, Beast Master, YOU need to do a three level search. I already researched it. Look it up, you claim to be so intelligent. If you are going to act like a know-it-all all the time, you are going to pay the price. I'm not going to babysit you. I have had enough of babysitting the anti-Sai nutters of negativity.

There's all kinds of credible stuff on the internet about Geller's association with U.S. intelligence. If you are as smart as you pretend to be you should be able to find it.

Besides that, I do not consider you very credible since I know you are an armchair critic who is afraid to get your feet wet.

The only thing that is devastating Sanjay is how you keep babbling incoherently thinking you actually know what you are talking about or are making sense.

/m347
BeastMaster, why are you not preaching to Sanjay Dadlani?

After all, Sanjay is a Hare Krishna Congregational Member who superstitiously believes in scriptures (specifically, the Srimad Bhagavatam) that promotes belief in rain, lightning and thunder gods. Your comments fully apply to him as well.

Edited by author 10-04-2006 01:09 PM
/m335
BeastMaster, you are dismissing paranormal phenomena that have been investigated by a "neutral third party" (Erlendur Haraldsson) and are focusing on other alleged paranormal phenomena you have ascertained have not been investigated by a "neutral third party". In one instance, you dismiss the "neutral third party" and in another instance you demand it. You are cherry-picking your critiques.

These alleged manifestations (which, once again, are not limited to vibuthi) have not been investigated by critics and skeptics although they allege this phenomena is fraudulent. Critics draw conclusion a priori without viewing the alleged phenomena first-hand. Critics have had every opportunity to expose these alleged manifestions that they consider fradulent. They have chosen the path of long-distance speculative rationalizations.

Devotees accept these alleged manifestations as signs from Sathya Sai Baba and do not require further proof for themselves. They do not see a reason to prove what they believe to be real.

The bigger question is why haven't you investigated it for yourself? It is amusing that you ask that Sai Devotees (of all people) acquire a "neutral third party" to investigate the alleged materializations happening in their homes. Will you accept the findings of a "neutral third party" selected by Sai Devotees? The critera you demand is compromised. No matter what the results, you will find a reason not to accept the results.

It is also amusing that you are attempting to request a formal investigation on a forum board. If you were truly interested, one would think you would make other efforts than the superficial ones you are making here.

Regarding your comment:

"How is the holy ash which is made of cow dung is reaching the picture frames?"

- How do you know that the alleged materialized vibuthi is made from cow dung?

- What "neutral third party" supplied you with this information?

- Why are you claiming you know what the vibuthi is allegedly made of if you already acknowledged that no independent research has been conducted about these alleged vibuthi manifestations? In other words, where are you getting your information from? Since you set the standard of a "neutral third party", I would like the name to the "neutral third party" who gave you this information. Surely, you are not basing your words on speculation, assumption, conjecture or the words of a non-independent source? Are you?

Regarding your comment:

"How is honey which is nectar from the flowers collected and processed by bees is oozing from the glass plate of the pictures"

- Amrita is not honey.

- What "neutral third party" gave you the information that amrita is honey?

- Why would you claim that amrita is honey in the first place? Did you see and taste it for yourself? When, where, under what circumstance? Why weren't you aware of this basic fact?

Finally, and perhaps the most important, what theosophical explanations are you willing to accept?

As far as I am concerned, this discussion is moot. Until you experience and investiagate this matter for yourself, no amount of "neutral third party" demands (made on a internet forum) are going to satisfy you. This is evident by your casual dismissal of Erlendur Haraldsson's work (from a "neutral third party"), which was thorough and even included the experiences from ex-devotees. Once again, the fact remains that every single person (devotee and ex-devotee alike) attributed unexplained, miraculous, paranormal phenomena to Sathya Sai Baba. All without exception. These were first-hand accounts obtained through first-hand interviews. You are free to believe or disbelieve as you choose. Nevertheless, it is apparent which position you are taking.

It is also amusing that earlier (/m248) you were willing to cite an unsubstantiated account from Piet Vroon's "Santa Claus In India" (which was based on the word of an anonymous and alleged "informant"). Strange enough, Piet Vroon was such a psychologically unstable critic, he committed suicide. Nice double checking there :-)