can you see the blank page below? that was my mail

by the way is there any way i can retrive a message that i lost because my online connection got diconnected, Angel?
What i wrote was very satisfactory. you would have got a clear picture how this Avatar thing an God is used in India and now abroad. I wrote a full page,Maybe god does not want me to post it?? There was absolutely no abuse.I t was about me and my experience.

Edited by author 10-19-2006 11:43 AM
hey,Angel, if u think i did the "om sai" message sorry not me.

Sai Baba? What's the point? Why are you folks wasting your breath? He's already been proven as a fraudster, you people evidently have too much time on your hands. Get a life.

"lisa de bitch y dont u shut the fuck up u silly lallupanju whore"
ubb,
why are you using different username?
what's the point?

lisa de bitch y dont u shut the fuck up u silly lallupanju whore

Angelic, usedbybaba's statement was that he was "abused for 15 years". If he was abused for 15 years and the abuse did not start until he was nineteen and in college, that means he remained in the situation until he was approximately 34.

Not only that but I seriously doubt this bozo could ever get into Sai Baba's college. Like Joe said (and I was thinking the same thing) students from that institute are very smart and their english is excellent. Usedbybaba does NOT fit the profile of a student from that school.

Edited by author 10-18-2006 03:38 PM
"the fact is he tries two to three new persons every month "


that's a lot,so in 15 years that means he molested 540 boys .
In 30 years that's 1080 boys.

So ,is it safe to say that at this point it's a common knowledge in India that sb is an abuser,due to such enormously high number of his victims?

"Kristijan, precisely. You do not believe that they are lying. If you consider it from the other point of view, that they are lying, the whole problem is resolved. Either they are lying or they are hallucinating, the answer is along those lines."

Well, they both appear to be totally genuine ,caring people,you can just sense it ,both are well educated.
So, nope they aren't lying for sure.

Hallucination?
Yeah ,that would be my choice,but there's one problem though.
After she(L.) saw sb next to their bed at 3 AM,she woke J. up and he saw SB leaving their room.
They surely weren't hallucinating,not both of them.

Edited by author 10-18-2006 06:53 PM
usedbybaba,
I'm just wondering.
At the time of your abuse...

You were an adult,so I'm just thinking,OK you did it 1 time ,you were confused and shocked and didn't know how to react ,you were caught in the heat of the moment and did what he asked you,simple as that,he was your God.OK.

you said it was nauseating.I got that.

I mean that night after it happened for the first time I'm sure you thought thoroughly about what happened and you analyzed everything over and over again.



So, can you please tell me what was the reason you returned to Sb and gave him another bj for a few more times.

It's really difficult for me to comprehend. Please I'm just trying to understand.

Edited by author 10-18-2006 08:46 AM
"As far as the 15 years is concerned ,I lived more than that in Parthi "

how young exactly were you when you started living in Parthi, for what reason?
what did you do there for more then 15 years?

For those who do not understand why CO2000 & I make jests about Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") Serious Drinking Problems, here are the reasons: Posts taken from Sanjay's former "killuminati blog"

SANJAY DADLANI (aka SAI BABA EXPOSED) SAID:

It scares me, because I was able to get over it with drink before, but now it seems that the alcohol does not work. So that scares me. If alcohol doesn't work this time, I gotta cut myself?

F*ck, I shocked myself. I used to take bottles of vodka into college and drink it in the computer room as I surfed endlessly. I'm still f*cking surprised as to how no one ever smelt it on me? So now alcohol ain't gonnabe enough to deal with this sh*t? I need to progress to self-harm? What the f*cking F*CK?!?! I'm losing touch with reality. Someone needs to save me. Who? No idea. Who? Someone, who? Mr. Motherf*cker, I pray to be able to survive.

I have absolutely no idea what I wrote last night, as I was seriously blind drunk. That may or may not be a good thing, but the fact that I lost my blog somehow without posting it, and then to try and pen another one when even drunker was a bad idea...F*ck this drunken sh*t... Actually no.. I LOVE mixin drinks... Makes you more drunk than you have a right to be.. ;) In any case, four glasses of whiskey coupled with two bottles of Stella shoud sort you out .. ;)

I lost my bus pass and the money which was in it to buy my ticket for the Motorhead gig. :( So I got as drunk as f*ck, haha.

The woman is so f*cking ugly. She'd make dogs bark at each other. It's just as well I took a bottle of whiskey, I think I might have needed to get seriously drunk before I could get down to some serious sh*t with her.

By this time I was gasping for a drink. I bought a can of shandy. Lame I know, but it was the first thing I saw. One the way home I stopped off at a pub for a pint of Guinness. Just as I was ordering, some rock/gothic chick in a miniskirt and boots walked in and turned out she was the barmaid there. Gave me something cool to look at while I was supping.

Anyway, what's the point of crying about it now? I cry every night as it is, into my glass of whisky. I drink myself half-stupid every night since I got back and read that f*cking 'Dear John' email. I f*cking hate whisky, but that was the only alcoholic thing they drank in Sri Lanka and I developed a taste for it, so there. Beer will only give you a big belly anyway, liquor is where it's at. The hard stuff. Absinthe? Never tried it. Want to? I'd love some. Even though I'll have to f*cking figure out where to get it from and all.

I really shouldn't blog when I'm pissed; the alcohol makes me incoherent and a bad typist and the text becomes incomprehensible. I guess what I was trying to convey was how it always works out like sh*t.

Maybe I should talk about my deepest feelings when I'm pissed drunk, but when am I NOT drunk? I been crying and drinking every night since I got back from SL. And why? F*ck knows, man. I care for this b*tch, I love her more than anything, and she doesn't even realise..And they say the "real person" come sout when drunk, but I dunno how true that is.

So we were gonna meet up at her place while her boyfriend was away for a week. Ain't that smooth? I took a bottle of whisky coz I thought it'd be fun to have a drink as well as put us in the mood and all that. Throwing away your inhibitions and all that sh*t. And frankly, because she's not that much of a looker, I figure I'd need it. Harsh I agree, but hey, that's just the way it goes.

So the other night when I got so drunk that I ended up vomiting in the kitchen sink, after that I kind of realised how I had managed to vomit my pain out. My grief has considerably lessened since then, even though it is still very much there.

This is the sicko who posts here and tries to convince others of his lamentable arguments.

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-18-2006 01:08 AM
Too bad Dictator Sanjay.

Since "usedbybaba" is attempting to make his sympathy pitch here, my post (/m596) is entirely relevant. Have problems with it? Leave! :-)

It is nothing less than hypocritical that Sanjay is still citing LIMF as a reliable, honest, objective and accurate book relating to information about Sathya Sai Baba. The implications of Sanjay's acceptance of LIMF (of course) is that the astounding paranormal and psychic phenomena attributed to Sathya Sai Baba in LIMF is similarly reliable, honest, objective and accurate.

Don't you agree Sanjay? Oh wait. You already agreed with me since you keep citing LIMF as a reliable, honest, objective and accurate book. Speaks volumes about the reliability, honesty, objectivity and accuracy of Sai Devotees. Thank you Sanjay!

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Sanjay, apparently you have learning disabilities if you STILL have to ask what I think about Sai Baba.

Besides that, I do not see any point in discussing anything with you, especially when you are on a drunken rampage and ALWAYS so irrational to boot.

You are like a spoiled child who has constantly soiled pants and nothing consoles you.

And despite the fact that nobody in Puttaparthi was supposed to know who Shirdi Sai Baba was, two of Raju's own uncles were openly worshipping Shirdi Baba with devotion. :-)

It makes you wonder about the veracity of Kasturi's writing. When Raju went berserk after being bitten (or not, ha ha ha) by a scorpion and declaring that he was the Shirdi reincarnation, the family took him to a known worshipper of Shirdi Sai Baba in Penukonda who could have verified his identity/divinity, and according to Kasturi dismissed Raju as a lunatic.

Why did they travel all the way to Penukonda when two of Raju's own uncles could have answered the question, what to speak of the Shirdi devotees in Puttaparthi and Uravakonda? Yes, a newer fact shows that even the people of Uravakonda were Shirdi Sai devotees. Well, some of them anyway. :-)

As if posting my blogs wholesale on sathyasaibaba2 is any different to compared to Moreno's behaviour, who floods boards with irrelevant rubbish whenever the fancy takes him. Nice to see the two homosexuals openly embracing each other and approving each other's behaviour.

Lisa, stop barking and answer /m589. We are waiting for your explanation. You are in the minority so you have to explain your views. That is, if you can quit it with the schoolchild one-upmanship behaviour that disqualifies you from practising spirituality of any kind. :-)

Say, did you know that Puttaparthi Raju was wearing lockets of Shirdi Sai Baba around in neck when the whole village (and district) was not supposed to have a clue who Shirdi was? That's what I call miraculous, hey? :-)

Edited by author 10-18-2006 12:23 AM
You think this is bad, you should see the hissy fits blabber mouth, and probably drunken, Sanjay is throwing on the other board! Twenty posts and counting!
Hey Sanjay, maybe when you grow up you can tell others what to do. After all, you are still living at home with your mommy and daddy at 28 years and counting.

Usedbybaba, I'm still waiting for you to explain why you believed Sai Baba was God and why your 15 year timeline isn't adding up and you are avoiding an explanation. You are going to be held accountable for your contradictory statements no matter how much you try to distract from the issues. Also, if you lived in Puttaparthi as a child, as you claim, you would have also gone to school there yet you have said nothing about that.

Homoreno, this is not a place to post your blogs wholesale. Either post an extract or give a link. Don't post entire blogs that are irrelevant and out of place in this discussion forum.

Behave.

Sanjay, re-read my prior comment and cry your heart out: /m590

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Here's soemthing that I just wrote on the SSBDC in response to a query:

"Whatever way one looks at it, Sai Baba is internationally acknowledged as a homosexual predator with involvement in murders, financial scandals, grandiose self-importance and many other disturbing things. He has been the subject of numerous news paper articles and television documentaries that report on all of these things. Even academics are now beginning to sit up and take note because this is now in the 'mainstream' perception of Sai Baba.

"It doesn't matter what devotees think and what they think of the controversy. We know very well how politics works; the slightest hint of dirt in someone's background is enough to discredit them. Nothing to do with his competency, he may have been very good at the job. Even apart from that, there were seveal political reasons why he could not have attained the position. One of them is that India is an up-and-coming superpower that is breaking new fields; the appointment of Tharoor - an Indian - would bring concerns about geopolitical nepotism.

"As a political diplomat who was vying for a position that would have brought him international renown and which would have merited his attention on matters of delicate international issues, his openly declared connections to a disturbing religious leader would work against him at the very least."

Edited by author 10-17-2006 11:29 PM
AbusedFor15Years / UsedByBaba Lies

Since mid-May of 2006, an anonymous and faceless person using the names "abusedfor15years" and "usedbybaba" (whom appears to have used the past names "ex-sai student", "X-S", "saibabagod", "sriram", "sebastian", "ravi saluja", "Another Ex Student", "victimofsaileela", "saurabh", "abhin", "blldexter" and many others) made numerous defamatory and criminal allegations against Sathya Sai Baba on the SathyaSaiBaba2 Yahoo Group & QuickTopic.

Needless to say, Sanjay immediately took to "usedbybaba" and engaged him in conversation, never expressing any sort of healthy skepticism or asking for any kind of proof, evidence, documents or data to support the erroneous and criminal allegations "usedbybaba" made against Sathya Sai Baba.

Fortunately, "usedbybaba" self-imploded and fully exposed himself (which Anti-Sai Activists tend to do when mildly provoked). The following posts reveal what kind of person "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" truly is ("linga", in the following posts, means "penis"):

who is premanand? by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole. you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA. I can write worse than this and i am capable of doing more, u shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth. Maybe you eat through your bottom. You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying. You bi''**h Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine. tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth. If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I remember people for life and don't take me for granted. BAS****D" (Reference).

sob sob sob sob sob. If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you. Go and taste baba's linga . or rathnakar maybe.it is free. They told me he is divorced. Is it true? if it is true you can get married to him. try him he is only in his thirties unlike BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know .maybe he will adjust it when he knows he is going to die to suit the stories that he told. by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the third leg. we know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy (Reference).

And on QuickTopic:

lenin999@yahoo.co.uk: you think the so called devotees will allow anyone to invetigate. NO, THEY WILL KILL HIM. Osama must be jelous of baba for having such wonderful (killers) devotees

It is significant to point out that the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning in Prashanti Nilayam is the only college in India to have received an "A++" rating by the National Assessment and Accreditation Council (an autonomous body established by the University Grants Commission: Reference). For further proof, one can also read the Draft Report of the Peer Team on Institutional Accreditation of the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Deemed University) Vidyagiri, Prashanthi Nilayam – 515 134 (A.P) Visit Dates: December 2 – 4, 2002 (Reference: DOC File).

This is the esteemed University that "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" claimed he attended. Those who have visited Sathya Sai Baba's ashram know full well that his students speak flawless English and are reputed as some of the brightest in all of India (even receiving national awards from the President of India).

All it takes is one look at the atrocious English grammar and spelling used by "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" to know that he never attended Sathya Sai Baba's prestigious University.

Funny enough "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" pretended to be another student using the name of "blldexter". He accidentally posted under this name and tried to erase it later but his post was already sent to email subscribers, of which I am one. "usedbybaba" said about Baba's age, "BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know". If "usedbybaba" was really a student for 15 years, why doesn't he know Baba's age? "usedbybaba" has no clue if Baba is in his 70's, 80's or 90's.

These are the anonymous and faceless defamers who spread their lies on the internet against Sathya Sai Baba. The tide has turned and the only people who are being "exposed" are Anti-Sai Activists themselves.

Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba

Kristijan, precisely. You do not believe that they are lying. If you consider it from the other point of view, that they are lying, the whole problem is resolved. Either they are lying or they are hallucinating, the answer is along those lines.

It also doesn't ultimately matter if Sai Baba is guilty of child sex abuse or not, although this is not to be minimised. The fact is that he has attained fame (and wants more fame) on the basis of his alleged godhood. The fact also remains that he is not God and consequently his whole existence is based on a fraudulent and reprehensible sham. There are many reasons that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not God. For a start, he doesn't pass the acid test.

By the way, Raju also lied about his status as a reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba. He lied to Karanjia in a media interview that only he was responsible for knowing anything about Shirdi Sai Baba in an area where nothing was known of him. The recently discovered facts now show that there was a strong culture of Shirdi worship in Puttaparthi; Raju regularly attended Shirdi bhajans, memorised the Satcharita, openly worshipped Shirdi Sai Baba and sang praises in his honour, wore a locket of Shirdi around his neck and much more.

No wonder everyone was "amazed" when he declared himself as the reincarnation in 1943 (not 1940), they were not amazed, they thought he had gone nuts!

OK, thanks for sharing,that was interesting.
now ,if that is true i don't get how it's possible that SB appeared in peoples room, next to their bed.And i don't at all believe people who said that are lying.
Something is weird.
LOL

Edited by author 10-17-2006 11:17 PM
/m590

Trust Gerald 'HoMo'reno to twist my statements completely out of context to suit his desultory purposes. What else can we expect from a proven intellectually dishonest liar? Perhaps we need to drill it into his thick head a second time; My blog is specifically written for the layman who probably doesn't know Sai Baba from Adam. That is the main reason why all of my articles are written as 'simple' as possible so that even a child can understand. I have also stated in my blog in several places that, despite my Gaudiya Vaishnava religion, I will not be arguing my points against Sai Baba from the viewpoint of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Although I can do so very easily since it gives me plenty of ammunition, but it is unfair to launch a sectarian attack. :-)

Consequently I write for the 'layman' who may very well be an atheist and have no knowledge of Hindu/Vedantic philosophy and who can easily understand whatever it is that I am saying. As such, "sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like". Anyone with even half a brain can understand this point, but not Homoreno, oh no! He will find yet another way to twist this until it is unrecognisable, tsk tsk.

Homoreno accuses me (on other forums) of "cherry-picking" my sources when he does the exact same thing by paying undue attention to one sentence in a five-part series of articles. Talk about intellectual dishonesty with a generous helping of hypocrisy!

Joe Moreno EXPOSED! /m269

Dear Angel,
I will give you some details. Why? because I thought you are actually enticing me to tell some details and then maybe use it to get me in trouble. Now in the morning ,when I got up my heart told me that I need not fear you or anyone and I am getting a reassurance every time I am thinking of it.. If it happens to me I know that it is God’s voice (that has been my experience).I have also stopped abusing anyone including BaBa because of the same voice. I have learnt to forgive him too. Not that I am going to believe him ,but my inner feeing told me that for my own sake I have to forgive people.
Now coming to your questions. (I know that Lisa is going to ruthlessly abuse me usning my own words and that was one reason that I did not speak)
!.for nearly three years baba did not bother about me.During these years I was brain washed about Baba by my own faith being a fertile ground for growing my faith with tremendous input through Discourses, Students who were as devoted as me or more and the total Ambience.. This period makes you yearn for BaBa .Even during this period ,I saw Students who had been there before I joined behaving without any sense of so called Discipline, for reasons not understood by us. They would crack sex jokes etc.,. (period when I heard of Lallu Panju). Then when Baba started talking to me it was very very important thing in my life and all he did was told me to remove my pant and applied the oil below the solar plexes. Then he told me to take pada namaskar and when I tried to get up he would not allow me ,meaning he wanted me to go to his thing. by that time he had kissed me on the mouth and all that. Because of my faith it was a spiritual experience for me .My fear of thinking of sex in front of the Almighty etc., was gone. So I took it as an expeience.The next time he called me , I had just taken a cold shower and he caught my penis and the heat of his hand made it stand erect, But Baba was obviously very happy.He was all smiles. Now this handling of my thing went on for a few years and I thought he was purifying me or something beyond my comprehension. He did not do anything because I was not co-operate in the way he was expecting ,but I was very obviously very devoted and my faith was increasing .Seeing me innocently trusting him unlike the others who were either happily joining him or running away from parthi, he waited for me to get caught in his place.(Don’t ask me how?) Once I was caught he slowly started troubling me, but even here my innocence and faith in him saved me to a large extent. He compelled me to do the blow job and I was totally confused. He was giving me signals as though it is ok to be a homo .It was repulsive but God was telling me. I cannot tell you all the details because some of my friends know the details nd my way of expressing the same. Lisa said Baba must be having the knack of finding the dumb ones . the fact is he tries two to three new persons every month and it is we who decide what to do and I was dumb but there were many who were smart to use or go away. As far as the 15 years is concerned ,I lived more than that in Parthi and When I was supposed to fill the area of first name ,Second name and so on I just filled not knowing it will be displayed and to my own surprise. I haope you won’t lose your sleep over this.I feel you are sincere ,So let me reiterate. All the Molestation Charges are absolutely true, but some think it is the inexplicable way of God. When I was confused about things ,I met and Indian American ,to whom I had confessed, he told me that he had heard these accusations and was praying to know the truth and at that time I had confessed to him. Together we came out of thee rut mentally. I had to stay there for some more time and then was very happy to leave.
I cannot tell you when I came out becaus Every year except the boys who normally finish their cousre,among those who stayed longer,for more than a decade or so, only one or two persons come out and they can identify me.

re /m587 & /m588
Poor Sanjay (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"). He must be pulling his hair out by now. lol

First of all I never claimed that people who believe in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like are are not "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people. Sanjay was the person who made this claim. Sanjay said:

Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like.

Funny enough, since Sanjay and his Scriptures promote belief in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like, one is left to wonder why Sanjay (a fanatic miracle monger) would claim that such people are NOT "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth"?

Sanjay attempted to clarify his position (got to give him points for trying):

My sentence was clearly intended for the consumption of people who do not believe in reincarnation, etc. It does not reflect my own personal beliefs.

Now, Sanjay is telling us that for those who do not believe in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like, that he, his Hare Krishna Gurus (Srila Prabhupada and Srila Gour Govinda Swami), his Hindu Scriptures (Vedas, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Ramayana, Upanishads, etc) ALL should not be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Talk about shooting one's self in the foot TWICE! lol

I think a quote from Alan Kazlev (Sanjay's newfound friend) is called for. Kazlev called Sanjay a "adolescent f*ckhead" (Ref). lol

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Lisa, even though Sai Baba says that you are a dog and you insist on barking like one, I'd say you are getting much closer to attaining your true nature now that you acknowledge yourself as behaving like a ferret. Close, but there's some way to go yet.

Why don't you lay your cards on the table and tell everyone why you believe in Sai Baba as God? Since you are in a minority in the world population, the whole world is waiting for your answer since you are the curiosity here, not the other way around.

And while you're racking your two brain cells trying to think of an answer that will make you look all smart and scholarly (but will fail as usual), you can try quitting it with the school playground behaviour when you ridiculously assert that you know more about Hinduism than born Hindus. Get a reality check, honey, you don't know jack! :-)

Stop behaving like a silly child.

/m570:

Gerald 'HoMo'reno has, in many places (even on Wikipedia) decried psychic and paranormal phenomena like reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like.

Yet he openly professes his faith in Sai Baba (/m385) who, hilariously enough, is a complete believer in reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings, aliens, UFOs, and much more!

That's what you get for shooting yourself in your smelly feet, Homoreno! Lol.

Joe Moreno EXPOSED! /m269

Edited by author 10-17-2006 10:08 PM
Re /m570:

"On Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") blog, he said:

    "Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like."


Since all the scriptures that Sanjay believes in (i.e., Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Upanishads and Ramayana) talk about (and promote belief in) reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like, these scriptures cannot be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Sanjay just refuted the sciptures that are used to determine the "acid test" of an avatar. That's what you get for opening your big mouth Sanjay. lol"

Is Gerald 'HoMo'reno THICK Or Something?

My sentence was clearly intended for the consumption of people who do not believe in reincarnation, etc. It does not reflect my own personal beliefs. Unbelievable that such a thick person like Homoreno cannot understand such a simple thing. In fact, my entire blog is written in an "impartial" way since 'innocent' people are the target audience.

Tough luck Handbag! Please try again. :-)


P.S. And, as usual, neither of the two goons (Homoreno and Lisa) answered the point about the 'acid test'. The 'Acid Test' to determine avatarhood are predictions in the scriptures. Sai Baba is not predicted as an avatar in the scriptures, ergo he is a fraud. Very simple. It's all over. :-)

Edited by author 10-17-2006 07:28 PM
Usedbybaba, you have already claimed you believed Baba was God (and, according to you, that is why you gave him blow jobs) and now you are backtracking and saying he has to prove himself to you! Gee, can't you see how this makes you look like a liar?
Personally, I could care less whether you believe he is God or not. My job is to determine whether your statements are consistent and at this point they do not appear to be consistant all. When one combines that with the fact that you have ZERO corroborative witnesses and ZERO evidence of your claims, it is not hard to come to the conclusion that you are NOT a truthful person.
You have YET to tell us, even though you have been asked SEVERAL times, just WHY you believed Sai Baba was God.

You are the one playing with peoples emotions buddy. We are trying to ferret out the truth here and you keep jumping around the questions yet claiming you are answering them!

And quit your whining. You are just as abusive, if not more so, than anyone here with all your threats and mind games. You are using it as a poor excuse not to have to answer questions.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 02:04 PM
"Did I ?
Extremely sorry. That is another reason that i should not talk about my life and play with your emotions.
Angle"nobody needs to prove anything." so i need not prove whether i was abused or not. Or is this rule only for baba."

_____________
To me it doesn't make any sense that a sexually abused victim would speak of it's abuser like that, as if you're just a regular person.

this is what you said:






"If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. "
_____________________
That person sexually molested you ,so your abuser doesn't need to prove anything to you, you already know everything and you have no reason to be interested in getting to know the truth ,since you already now it ALL.
 
you NEED to be obsessed talking about him molesting you and WARNING other people .








"the onus is on him to prove it to us. "
___________________

BUT I THOUGHT YOU GAVE HIM A BLOW JOB FOR A FEW TIMES?????
WHAT DO YOU CARE??


it just doesn't make sense,That you're into such "general discussions" about your abuser.






"Because it will only put me in trouble and I cannot prove anything.As I said earlier it is my word Vs Babas or yours.So I want to discuss it from a normal person's point of view."
____________________
what trouble,again you make no sense.
It would only make you look incredible if the time frame wouldn't fit your earlier stories.




"You say you answered all my questions DID you?? no. you answered only one question."
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No, you're blatantly lying.I answered to ALL of your questions.







"By the way thi swill be my last reply to you if you insist on discussing ME."
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Hello!!!
you are a sexually molested victim,what else is there to discuss.
Sb's message??????? ....No, we can discuss that after we sort things out about your case.

At this point you just seem as a disingenuous person ,unwilling to reciprocate by answering to some simple most basic questions.
Like i said you're blatantly lying ..you know very well i answered honestly to all of your questions.I feel used and cheated .
You demanded that i answer...I did ,because i expected you'd answer back to me,but you refuse , by giving some lame excuses that JUST DON'T HOLD WATER.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 10:04 AM
Angel"How dare you play with people's emotions??
how dare you?"

Did I ?
Extremely sorry. That is another reason that i should not talk about my life and play with your emotions.
Angle"nobody needs to prove anything." so i need not prove whether i was abused or not. Or is this rule only for baba.

Angle"You're interested in generally discussing Sai Baba as if you're just a regular person,not a sexually abused victim."

Because it will only put me in trouble and I cannot prove anything.As I said earlier it is my word Vs Babas or yours.So I want to discuss it from a normal person's point of view.
You say you answered all my questions DID you?? no. you answered only one question.
By the way thi swill be my last reply to you if you insist on discussing ME.
All I acn say ,I did not lie but was not puorosely clear.There might be some which might be even anachronical but not untrue.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 04:03 PM
If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. Sri Yukteshwar Maharaj,guru of SRi Paramahamsa yogananda (yogda satsang society and author of Autobiography of a yogi) said before you accept anyone as Guru you have all the right to check his/her credibility.
Now that is the reason I say look before you leap.He is not showing he is credible.

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why are you mentioning OTHER GURUS ,what are you talking about,nobody needs to prove anything to you.
You were sexually abused by sai baba don't you remember?
what interest do yo have in discussing sb's credibility and his "message" in general.You gave him a "blow job".

You're interested in generally discussing Sai Baba(your abuser) as if you're just a regular person,not his sexually abused victim.
something doesn't make sense here.





"you will be wasting your time by trieng to get an answer from me."
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usedbybaba i answered to all of your questions!
why don't you answer mine?

you're not fair ,you asked me all kind of questions but you fail to respond to mine.
what kind of a logic is that?

Please don't tell me you lied about this and you personally weren't sexually abused by sb.
Did i waste my energy for nothing?
Did you lie about this?
What kind of a person are you.
Did you deceive me?
What gives you the right??
How dare you play with people's emotions??
how dare you?

Lisa"You don't have guts enough to answer my questions ya coward"
Thankyou for proving me correct by your abuse.By the way have you ever asked questions about Baba and your logical conclusion that he is God/Avatar.Surprising.

Angel"You can't find the proper answers.
You had no problem discussing Blow jobs, but when it comes to telling the time frame.You're left speechless."

Yes i am speechless and i can't find the proper answer.I had no problems discussing the "blow job" then,Now I have problems.You have won the argument, fine.
Dear angel is it not funny that you tell me the whole thing is a waste but you want us to discuss the waste again and again.you will be wasting your time by trieng to get an answer from me.Instead you can try the other forums and I think i recognise some students there.May God bless you

LISA"Usedbybaba, I have to remind you again that YOU are not a credible accuser"

Logic does not need credibility.If a criminal says that the sun rises in the east, will yous ay no, because you are a criminal and you do not have credibiliy I will not accept it??
Similarly the truth about baba is what we are discussing. We have heard recently of a group of cult members believing that the world is going to end and they together committed suicide.Why did they do that? because they did not have the logic to tell themselves ,If the whole world is going to die we have no choice ,but let us not assume that such and such a thing is going to happen.
Similarly if one person says (including me) nobody need to believe.instead let us analyse and find out why we should worship someon and sacrifice our whole life.If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. Sri Yukteshwar Maharaj,guru of SRi Paramahamsa yogananda (yogda satsang society and author of Autobiography of a yogi) said before you accept anyone as Guru you have all the right to check his/her credibility.
Now that is the reason I say look before you leap.He is not showing he is credible.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 06:28 AM
"In that case please find someone who is ready to speak about it. I am not.
period"

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usedbybaba,

how come you were more then ready to speak about blow jobs and touching ,but when i present you with the most simple questions ever to which answers would in no way point to your identity you back off.

You just don't know what to write regarding those 15 years of abuse.
You don't want to write about how long you stayed in Parthi... can it match with abusedfor15years??
And finally you can't find a proper explanation as to why you ,who are "1000 times more intelligent" after nauseating experience of giving sb a blow job as an adult went to him and gave it to him over and over and over again.
You can't find the proper answers.
You had no problem discussing Blow jobs, but when it comes to telling the time frame.You're left speechless.

Look at those 3 most simple questions,why would they leave a "truthful" person mute.
I'm sure You can't expect me to believe you ,if you're not willing to answer to my questions even though i answered to all of yours.





1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

Edited by author 10-17-2006 03:39 AM
You don't have guts enough to answer my questions ya coward. You lie about that too. I'm still waiting for you to act like an adult and answer my questions ya con artist. All you do is play abusive head games which is another clear sign you are a drunkard. I am more of a Hindu than you are bozo. You don't even understand your own religion or Baba. I don't believe you lived in Puttaparthi. Puttaparthi is full of miraculous happenings yet you claim you have never seen any. Yet you contradict yourself and claim you believed Sai Baba was God. Gee are you so dumb you cannot see how idiotic your contradictions are?

No, on the contrary you keep abusing others with your lies and you know I know you are a LIAR. You are the one who can't handle the truth. Baba is INNOCENT and YOU are the perpetrator of lies. You are the one with your drunken head in the sand.

As i said .you keep abusing me.nothing else.Is baba a person to be followed .He says "my life is my message" is my first question
I can see you that i have upset you with the truth.

LISA "And once again you show that you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking"

The fact is iam a hindu and you are not i was in parthi and you hawere not ,so when you cannot you just abuse and escape as i predicted.

I repeat, if you have guts try answering my simple questions and don't run away.People without matter will only abuse and not come to the point.
Wheni ask you how baba has proved in his so called Physical from that he is worth being followed,Remember he says"my life is my message"

I'll tellyou how you will answer
you will say" You dumbo are you so dumwitted that you cannot write a sentence in english,you must have fallen from a tree or something.Maybe
you dcid not understand what i said used buddy.you are so contradictory and idiotic you are caught in your own trap, blah blah blah".
AS I SAID YOU NEEDS GUTS TO SPEAK NORMALLY AND ANSWER MY QUESTION.DO YOU HAVE IT.OR ARE YOU GOING TO ABUSE AND ESCAPE????
See how logical you are Lisa By the way Sanjay is God don't abuse him and earn mor and more bad karma.

And the "main focus" here ISN'T your allegations ya arrogant drunk. The focus here is WHO is Sai Baba? According to MILLIONS of people Sai Baba is a Divine Being. Nobody even knows who you are bozo. You are a nobody who is hiding out spewing his cowardly poison on the internet because he apparently doesn't have a life and is in serious need of some reality therapy. Got that?

As far as I'm concerned YOU are the liar and abuser with criminal inclinations, usedbybaba. You have absolutely no proof of your claims. On the other hand we already have tons of proof as to your lack of character on these message boards. Gee will someone have to hunt you down by your IP # and send you a cease and desist notice?

"this topic is about SB,there's nothing more scandalous then him sexually abusing you ,that is the main focus here."
In that case please find someone who is ready to speak about it. I am not.
period

Edited by author 10-17-2006 02:44 AM
/m567

Pathetic! Sai Baba isn't misrepresenting Hinduism, YOU are bozo! You are so arrogant, contradictory and idiotic regarding your silly beliefs it is hilarious! Since you are not even rational or honest regarding your beliefs (or anything else for that matter) there is no use discussing it with you. But it is important to point out to the general public just how dishonest and ignorant you are about yourself and your so-called Hindu beliefs (see /m566), which are not really Hindu beliefs at all. You are more like a cult-like cartoon figure.

Where are all your followers, dumbo?

re /m563

On Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") blog, he said:

"Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like."

Since all the scriptures that Sanjay believes in (i.e., Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Upanishads and Ramayana) talk about (and promote belief in) reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like, these scriptures cannot be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Sanjay just refuted the sciptures that are used to determine the "acid test" of an avatar. That's what you get for opening your big mouth Sanjay. lol

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed /m272

/m566: "I'm not going to waste my time arguing..."

So why don't you get lost like people have been telling you? :-)

Re: /m566: "you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking about."

No they don't. :-)

Unless, of course, we are speaking about a minority opinion that has been humilated for centuries thanks to it's extremely weak exegesis and consistency. :-)

Have fun being a minor, lol.

So now Lisa De Witt thinks she knows more about Hinduism than I do. LOL. That's it, it's all over. She's finally up the wazoo.. :-)

I am not confused about anything. I know full well what I believe and I also know full well what Hinduism is all about. You cannot explain or understand even one iota of Sai Baba's teachings because he himself is misrepresenting Hinduism. The proof is all over my blog; just put the term "boo-boo" in the search box at the top and see what results. :-) Sai Baba can't even keep his stories straight about Radha, Krishna, Balaram, Shirdi Sai, and his moronic and barking dog devotees like Lisa hang onto every word. Lol.

Meanwhile, he's getting exposed all over the place since the 1970s Bock movies for cheating with vibhuti "miracles".

Edited by author 10-16-2006 11:56 PM
Usedbybaba, I have to remind you again that YOU are not a credible accuser. You are an obvious fabricator and gossip. The fact that you have to hide so that none can look into your claims is proof positive that you are nothing but a blatant liar. And I guess I also have to remind you that YOU started abusing people just for saying they didn't believe you so you are also a major hypocrite. Not to mention I also consider your continuous LIES about Sai Baba a form of ABUSE! You consistently try to turn things around when you are caught in your own trap. I can tell you are used to getting away with your mind games with other people and that's why you think you can do it here but it isn't going to happen. You are nothing but a con man who thinks he has learned to lie his way through life. You aren't going to con anyone this time. Your game is up. You have been had. Unless you can process your claims honestly in a legal setting you are considered a NONENTITY, got that used buddy?
And once again you show that you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking about.

Jesus once said, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

I suspect you are the one who has made up the student list claiming students were molested. I guess you are too ignorant to know some of those students have come forward and said they did NOT belong on that list, that it was a lie. This is obvious anyway as not ONE of those students had EVER previously made a public statement regarding the issue.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 12:40 AM
/m564

Dadlani, you haven't demolished ANYTHING except your own credibility. You are one of the dumbest Hindus there is! Even white people like me understand more about Hinduism than you do. You have the belief system of an evangelical Christian dumbo. You do not believe in reincarnation and neither do they. Hindus BELIEVE in reincarnation. According to your statements you do not believe in miracles EITHER (even though you claim to believe in Krishna who is renowned for His miracles)! This is an atheistic belief! You are so dumb you can't even get your belief systems to be consistent with the religion you claim to be a part of. You are so confused and contradictory about your belief systems that I do believe in the end you will end up as an atheist. This will most likely happen when you realize just how much trouble you are in as a result of your incessant lies and deviant behavior and you have to deal with some very harsh realities of life.

Re: /m548: Lisa De Witt barked thus: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu."

The main problem with Lisa De Witt's wholly ignorant and laughable rant is that her own "knowledge" of Hinduism leaves much to be desired. Based on her interpretation of Hindu tenets (that have been dealt with and demolished many a time) she thinks that she is some kind of spiritual authority in which she can tell born Hindus how orthodox they are!

Since Lisa appears to hold sacred a tenet that bespeaks of Advaitic (nondual) inclinations, I should make mention that this is a minority view. Not only is it in the minority but it has very little intellectual rigorousness to boast of and is incredibly weak. There are several different schools of "Hinduism" that have varying degrees of intellectual rigorousness and which are far stronger than Advaita. Some of these are Sri Vaishnavism, Tattvavada (Dvaita), Achintya-bheda-bheda, Pushti-margiya, Dvaitadvaita (Nimbarkis), Virashavism, Lingayat Shaivism, and many more. What to speak of different categories such as Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Sankhya, etc.

The point being that "Hinduism" is varied and made up of many different schools and it is upto the individual to decide which they want to follow. Lisa and Sai baba do not repreresent the majority view because there is no majority to speak of. Consequently Lisa is ill-equipped to determine the intellectual rigorousness of Sai Baba's teachings (which are hilarious and weak anyway) and she is similarly ill-equipped to judge who is and who isn't a "Hindu". Especially when she is an ignorant and hateful Fundamentalist Christian who knows next-to-nothing of Hinduism beyond Sai Baba's ridiculous "teachings".

However, if she continues to insist that she is correct then she may bow down and kiss my feet. I won't object.

Proof Sai Baba is NOT An Avatar

Re: /m551: Lisa very stupidly declared:

"You cannot prove that Sai Baba is not an Avatar."

Oh yes we can. There is only one way to determine who is a true avatar and who is not and it is a very, very simple way: The scriptures must predict his advent.

And why not? Sai devotees are already claiming that his advent has been predicted in scriptures. They are so greedy that they are not even satisfied with the Vedic scriptures, they insist that he is predicted in scriptures of other religions as well! What speak of so much talk of various 'naadi' scrolls that no one has ever nor which have been published.

Just one small problem: the propehecies are fake. Ergo, Sai Baba is a fake.

This is the Acid Test: If he's not indicated in the scriptures, he's not an avatar. End of.

How easy was it to prove Sai Baba is not an avatar? It took just two minutes to write this post. :-)

And while I'm on the subject, I also brought down another video from the loft which contains a copy of Richard Bock's 'Darshan - A Vision Of Reality'. Richard Bock was the premier devotee filmmaker of the 1970s and produced many movies that contains evidence of cheating on materialisations, although I don't think he ever realised it.

In this movie Sai Baba is in the 1970s with the famous 'short hair' look and because there is flashy camerawork, you can't see the whole incident in full since it is panning up and down on Sai Baba in darshan. Yet just before he proceeds to "materialise" vibhuti for someone, the camera clearly shows him taking something from out of his left hand.

This film shows that Sai Baba has been cheating on miracles since the 1970s at least, the old coot.

Speaking of cheating on videos, I remember reading a letter from James Redmond some time ago. For those who don't know, James Redmond is/was the official Sai Baba moviemaker of recent years. He was granted exclusive permission to film Sai Baba and collect footage for "darshan videos" and new movies, as well as being the near exclusive filmer of discourses. His contributions are so excellent that they even have English subtitles for the translation.

I don't know of his current devotee status but he did write a letter stating (in more or less) that he was leaving Sai baba on account of his sexual molestations and he had plenty of video evidence of his frauds. In another letter he made a specific mention about the famous "Bible materialisation" miracle of Christmass 1999 (I believe). He said that this video (filmed by him and sent to Sai Organisation worldwide) showed clear evidence that Sai Baba did not "materialise" that little book and that is was pure sleight-of-hand.

Even though I have had this video for years [:-)], I never bothered to check it out.

Recently (as of a couple of weeks ago) I went up into my loft to look for some stuff and I came across the tape, so I said I may as well check it out. Sure enough, I fast-forwarded to the place before he "materialises" the book and I couldn't believe my own eyes:

The old rascal has it in his hand the whole time

He never materialised it! We all know how he moves his hands in a circle to "materialise" anything he wants and, sure enough, he moved his hand in a circle to "materialise" this little Bible book. Trouble is, Sai Baba is too much of a show-off who relies almost exclusively on the element of surprise. People don't expect him to materialsie anything during a discourse so there is ample time for him to stun everyone with a sensational item such as a miniature Bible that he supposedly apported from it's place of irigin, some caves on the Black Sea.

The old squirt is amazing. He truly believes that no one is watching while he has the little book in his hand while he is circling his hand! The book is so miniature that he can "hide" it in his thumb. Sai Baba's usual materialisation practice involves all of his fingers (including the thumb) spread out. Well this one has four fingers and a thumb inside the palm, and behind the thumb is the book while he is pretending to materialise it.

James Redmond was right, Sai Baba is a charlatan. One more proof that he is a sham.

"I have already told you that i will never reveal my past.If you feel that you have answerd my question only for me to answer your my questions on me,
I am sorry ,I am not for that.You can answer only if you feel you want to know the truth about BABA,Because this site is about BABA and not me."

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this topic is about SB,there's nothing more scandalous then him sexually abusing you ,that is the main focus here.

Now answer these simple questions which in no way reveal your identity.
If you don't i can only assume that you're not being TRUTHFUL!

1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu

COME ON ANGEL,SHE IS SAYING BABA IS GOD IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS WORTH BEING WORSHIPPED.IS THIS ARGUMENT CORRECT.MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.MAYBE YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF HINUISM IS CONFUSING YOU.
BY THE WAY BABA GAVE THIS ARGUMENT ONCE WHEN HE WAS TALKING OF ANIMALS(STREET DOGS)
HE SAID TREAT THEM WELL BECAUSE THEY ARE GOD.BUT IF THEY COME INSIDE THE HOUSE KICK THEM OUT AND IT WILL BE GOD KICKING GOD

Angel,Can't you say .He is God Or HE is Not.
Maybe Lisa and her friends will start abusing you, is it???

If i have to answer your question,I have to give you disconnected things.
you will ask me details which i cnnot give.

you tell me how is my past going to help you.
All that will happen is help Lisa divert the attention of this forum.
I have already told you that i will never reveal my past.If you feel that you have answerd my question only for me to answer your my questions on me,
I am sorry ,I am not for that.You can answer only if you feel you want to know the truth about BABA,Because this site is about BABA and not me.

By the way i don't know why Anti-babas don't keep pestering me with questions about me. Thanks Anti-babas

 
 LISA: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

Can you answer my point without abusing

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usedbybaba what are you talking about?
She told you something logical ...in the end Brahman is all ,she didn't say "MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED".

why are you making things up,please let's focus on the REAL THING HERE,YOUUUUUUUUUUUU, HIS MOLESTATION VICTIM.

so anywayyyyyy,,,
1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

LISA: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

Can you answer my point without abusing.

Edited by author 10-16-2006 08:23 AM
"that is why i ask you, Do you have the guts to answer my question without abusing.
His so called physical life is full of crap and cheating and lies.He says that is his message to be followed.
Do you expect everyone to follow this.
If someone like mahatma Gandhi tells us his lifeis his message there is something.How can a person
1.got into murder controversy
2.has no propeer date of birth date,but tells the whole world a new date of birth.
3.Runs from people who are trying to attack him (which Avatar did that)
 did rama or krishna or jesus do that?
4.Does not reply to molestation charges?
 Be called God? and that too with"my life is my message.
"
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I totally get what you're s saying,he's a really controversial and suspicious person.








"I told you to answer the question : Is Sai ba is God or not?
you are saying, you don't know .
either he is or he is not .now you are trying to divert the atention by asking quetions about me."

________________________________


i have answered you honestly.I do not now,it's simple as that.
Now stop escaping 3 simple questions.I have answered to your each question,now it's time for you to do the same.
If you're being truthful you'll have no problem answering them.


1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

Edited by author 10-16-2006 07:44 AM
Abusive devotee of baba, you say "I have experienced Baba's divinity."

I say i have experinced his a molestation .both of us cannot prove our point.

that is why i ask you, Do you have the guts to answer my question without abusing.
His so called physical life is full of crap and cheating and lies.He says that is his message to be followed.
Do you expect everyone to follow this.
If someone like mahatma Gandhi tells us his lifeis his message there is something.How can a person
1.got into murder controversy
2.has no propeer date of birth date,but tells the whole world a new date of birth.
3.Runs from people who are trying to attack him (which Avatar did that)
 did rama or krishna or jesus do that?
4.Does not reply to molestation charges?
 Be called God? and that too with"my life is my message.
As far as your experiences are concerned,people have experienced God in their own Relatives like a dead Grand Father. Should we all do the same

Abuses only show that you have no answer so you are getting angry and abusing.

I told you to answer the question : Is Sai ba is God or not?
you are saying, you don't know .
either he is or he is not .now you are trying to divert the atention by asking quetions about me.

Edited by author 10-16-2006 06:18 AM
usedbybaba,
you made me answer your questions,now answer mine,just some simplistic stuff...

A devotee from childhood you say.
But it said usedbybaba for 15 years.
how were you used by baba for 15 years.
Can you explain?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Why did you give sb blow job for few times.
You said it was nauseating?
Why did you give him more?

Edited by author 10-16-2006 07:26 AM
The point is, usedbybaba that you are being VERY disingenuous and misleading regarding the God issue. Your statements indicate that you absolutely do not understand and have not studied Baba's TEACHINGS (and therefore were NEVER a devotee)!!! Thank you for showing me what a fraud you are. You have just made it all too clear!

And I guess I have to remind you that there is absolutely no PROOF of your ridiculous claims. On the other hand we do have DOCUMENTED PROOF on this and the other board of your statement discrepancies and outright lies.

Second hand stories are not proof you idiot!
And you still have no proof that this jeweller is bringing the stuff you claim. A leather bag is proof of NOTHING! The fact that you think you can play detective is laughable! You don't even have the slightest clue as to how to gather evidence! In other words, as usual, you have NO evidence. All you have is a second hand story accusing someone of something you cannot prove. Sound familiar? Just one more reason why I do not believe you are college educated. You are too gullible and dumb.

Regarding the rest of your statements you are doing nothing but playing mind games and talking nonsense. You are a VERY disingenuous and irresponsible person usedbybaba. It is VERY hypocritical of you to try to hold people to standards that you yourself are not following. You are not a role model. You are NOT a character witness usedbybaba. Character witnesses do not hide behind anonymous usernames and gossip nonstop second hand stories like girly girls.

Please get real and grow up. You are not fooling anyone with your continuous head games.

BTW, there is ALL kinds of documentation in books and on the internet about Sai Baba. Like I said, one cannot prove anything to another, one must experience. I have experienced Baba's divinity. You cannot prove that I haven't. Nor can you prove that others who say they have spiritual experiences with Him haven't. The fact that you pretend to know more than others is very disingenuous. You keep trying to set standards that you yourself cannot FOLLOW. You cannot prove that Sai Baba is not an Avatar. You cannot even prove something as SIMPLE as fraud! You are so full of hot air it is pathetic. Also, you cannot even prove who you are ya hypocrite! How dumb is that? Please engage your brain for once and think about how hypocritical you are being.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 10:14 PM
Lisa:No one can come up with any vibhuti pellets or the name of a jeweller who supposedly makes the rings or other objects Sai Baba hands out.

There are many contributors for jwels but his miain source of purchase is from a man called Aswath narayana from Anathapur (you can go to puttaparthi and watch for a short,dark man with specktacles.He always goes alone to the interview room with baba.What is the work of a jeweller with baba,every second or third week.Whenhe goes inside he woud carry a small leather bag,filled with something and comes back with an empty bag.Sanjay ,this guy has a son who told a student friend of mine that his Father was indeed the supplier(this student hailed from the same place and speak the same language using the same slang)Now this son of the jweller is for your reference.WE knew the fact that baba was being supplied by this man.After all we have and had so many boys doing "duty"in baba's room.
As far as watches there are many from Bombay atleast I know of two. I don't want to name one because his children studied there and the other person i know only by face.
Iam not here to approve or dis approve his so called omnipresence,It is as impossible to prove as his sexual molestationsand as i said earlier,I have seen people who clearly show their claivoyant skills and after that ask for money(like begger),Do we call them Avatars???
Let us not go into the direct experience thing.Even if it true it cannot be
discussed for there is no proof.

"If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

As far as the videos,any one can see that he is doing some mischief, it isvery clear in his Linga vomitting ,but those who do not want to see cannot.
I have told you that the point of dicussion is not about what happend to me and so th discussion on "usedby baba for 15 years " and all that is irrelevaent
Forget the Indian Govt.the point is what we have with us we discuss with and not somthing that is not available to us plus the indian gvt. has also got people like you and me.Talk with what we have.If lisa cannot answer point by point to my question,there is no discussion here (with her)
Lisa ,you ask the question ,marked 1 2 3 and prove that baba is GOD.
othrwise you are just wasting everyone's time.

"so-called evidence to the police or court to prove their allegations"

When she is not accepting things right in front of her,,even if she sees baba murdering someone she will say i am not sure. she has decide that he is her GOD.She can have that view and as far as i am concerned.

To repeat by your own logic you can start worshipping Sanjay and me,don't start abusing ,IT is your logic.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 08:41 PM
Usedbybaba changed his username from abusedfor15years immediately after I started questioning his timeline discrepancy on the 15 year claim. Since usedbybaba has stated that he was NOT abused until he was nineteen, this would mean he was allegedly abused from the age of 19 + 15 years or until the age of 34. This does not match usedbybaba's claim that he was a devotee as a child and changed somewhere in between since the alleged abuse did not happen until he was nineteen and he claims he let it continue (because he was allegedly a brainwashed adult) until the age of 34 before he became an ex-devotee. Apparently, usedbybaba is not very good at math.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 10:05 PM
/m530

OK, let's talk about all the lies coming out of usedbybaba's mouth.

If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu.

Usedbybaba's second lie is that Sai Baba's miracles have not been proven. Even the Indian government has documented and attested to Sai Baba's AUTHENTIC miracles (this was mentioned in Rod Serling's documentary, Man of Miracles). Besides this very important FACT, usedbybaba is so arrogant as to think that he can speak for other people, including me, who will attest to the FACT that Baba has proven his omniscience and DIVINE abilities to them from THOUSANDS of miles away. There are many of us who are smart enough, unlike usedbybaba, to create our own tests which can and have been documented. That being said, even scientific tests can be altered in any manner by unscrupulous persons (with an agenda) so the proof of authenticity must eventually come from DIRECT experience, not someone elses "test." It is ridiculous and disingenuous to think that spiritual phenomena can be attested to in any other way.

And thirdly, we have already discussed that usedbybaba is lying about the very subjective videos and besides that, video images can be altered and we have DOCUMENTED proof that the anti-Sais can and do falsely alter and scrub documents or anything else in order to further their agenda of lies. Maybe this is why the anti-Sais will not invite a neutral expert to examine their claims. Funny that they continuously demand others follow standards of PROOF they refuse to hold themselves to!

And fourthly, I have said before that fraud is a VERY easy thing to prove yet the anti-Sais have never tried to take their so-called evidence to the police or court to prove their allegations which is more proof they are lying. No one can come up with any vibhuti pellets or the name of a jeweller who supposedly makes the rings or other objects Sai Baba hands out. It is always whisper, gossip and innuendo. So what about the japamala David Bailey saw materialize and writes about in his book? Who is making those? And who is making the statues and photos (when there were no cameras around) Baba materializes? The anti-Sais want to be free to irresponsibly slander anyone they choose without proof and without repercussion and then whine like crybabies when they are called on it.

Usedbybaba is obviously a VERY dishonest fellow and a game player to boot. This is why he will not tell his story except in little bits which he appears to be making up as he goes along. You will also notice he is now renigging on the molestation issue and acknowledging that molestation cannot be proven! Now falling back on the very flimsy argument that the materializations can be proven to be fake!

Hilarious. Now you know why I call him bozo the clown.

Sai Baba Shirdi Lies or Sanjay Dadlani's Shirdi Lies?
Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 1
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 2
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 3

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-15-2006 02:36 PM
i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.

"It is a contradictory statement.you should understand that if someone is an Avatar he is God."

well i personally believe everything is God..i believe all is one,so sb and everything else including.

Now whether he's a purna avatar with a mission or if he's just a regular person i don't really know.

anyway,
how are you endangering yourself by telling me some simplistic stuff,you're just 1 outa billion people living in India?

A devotee from childhood you say.
But it said usedbybaba for 15 years.
how were you used by baba for 15 years.
Can you explain?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Why did you give sb blow job for few times.
You said it was nauseating?
Why did you give him more?

"YOU HAVE STILL NOT GIVEN A COMMITED ANSWER TO THE QUESTION :IS HE GOD OR NOT? JUST A STRAIT YES OR NO."

how the heck should i know???
i live across the globe in Croatia and I've never seen him.I have no idea who he is!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 02:16 PM
Again you are talking of sexual abuse.Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

you say: "Whether he is God or not i don't know that either."

how can you sy that ? Do you know that murders took place there.
Then Will God (that too, a God who proclaims "My Life is my message")allow murders to take place and on top of it act as a negative "example" by not talking openly and clearly about it and clear all the doubts.

He never answers any question on the accusations that are directed at him.Is this the right example.If it is not HOW CAN SUCH A PERSON WHO PREACHES SOMETHING SO WRONG BE GOD.Will you still say there is a chance that he might be God???

Angel:"how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is."

But you can say he is not God because God is Truth,Love and fearlessness and a person who is not truthful can never be God. is it not?
Do we have to doubt God's qualities or should we change our idea of God to suit such a person like Sai baba???
To me,my God is good ,loving, truthful and never hypocratic.and I think it is be the same for everyone.
So even if baba, so to say, flies up in the sky,he will be a Ghost and not GOD.
YOU HAVE STILL NOT GIVEN A COMMITED ANSWER TO THE QUESTION :IS HE GOD OR NOT? JUST A STRAIT YES OR NO.

i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.
It is a contradictory statement.you should understand that if someone is an Avatar he is God.

He molested me is true. but when i registered there were two columns (first and last name and i simply filled those not knowing that they will be displayed.
I cannot clarify more than this.
i was a devotee from childhood and changed somwhre in the middle when i was in parthi.
but tell me how does this help in our discussion.
I have been telling you that i cannot endanger myself by revealing too much about myself, but you continue to ask me questions about myself.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:44 PM
"Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

but that's the most awful thing of all ,sexual abuse.
i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.
I'm just shocked that he molested you.
Could you please tell me what does "abused for 15 years" stand for in your user name on yahoo?
You were his devotee for 15 years despite the abuse or ...??
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:34 PM
Good that you replied.
Again you are talking of sexual abuse.Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

you say: "Whether he is God or not i don't know that either."

how can you sy that ? Do you know that murders took place there.
Then Will God (that too, a God who proclaims "My Life is my message")allow murders to take place and on top of it act as a negative "example" by not talking openly and clearly about it and clear all the doubts.

He never answers any question on the accusations that are directed at him.Is this the right example.If it is not HOW CAN SUCH A PERSON WHO PREACHES SOMETHING SO WRONG BE GOD.Will you still say there is a chance that he might be God???

Angel:"how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is."

But you can say he is not God because God is Truth,Love and fearlessness and a person who is not truthful can never be God. is it not?
Do we have to doubt God's qualities or should we change our idea of God to suit such a person like Sai baba???
To me,my God is good ,loving, truthful and never hypocratic.and I think it is be the same for everyone.
So even if baba, so to say, flies up in the sky,he will be a Ghost and not GOD.

"I'm just interested in some basic facts of your case so that i can get a better picture of how his abuse works and the profile of his victims."

I can give you a clear idea,without giving you my story.believing it or not, is your problem.Because even if i give you my story, you can decide not to believe it.

My whole family knows what happened to me .but only that i was abused.It is very embarrsing and too shocking.we don't talk about it.
and No I did not go to a psychiatrist.There are many boys who are still acting as though they are devotees because they don't have the courage to face the consequences both within their family and outside.Even I don't tell devotees that i am against baba when i meet some of them(occassionally I meet them).

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:05 PM
Please usedbybaba i answered to all of your questions,now it's your turn ,please answer mine!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:01 PM
"DIRECT ANSWER TO MY POINTED QUESTION.
If they say baba is god,Are they not morally resposible to prove it(If they don't try to prove it, they will be guilty of promoting a Cheat to millions of gullible people .I am ready to prove otherwise."

"AS mentioned above Angel has not replied clearly in any of his messagesabout my second question.(the first one was very easy)"


what answer i don't understand?
I'm answering to ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS!

how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is .I don't get what you're saying?
I'm trying to find that out,that's why i am here and i'm ready to hear you ,his sexual victim.

NO i certainly don't think he's God if he sexually abused you and if he's involved in that 1993 thing.No way.
That's the worst thing,to sexually exploit students and children in such way.I'm really sorry that he did that to you.
 
i saw the videos and yes it appears sometimes as he's holding or transferring something i admit,whether he's cheating or not that i don't know.


"should he not come out openly about the controversies surrounding him??"

YES HE SHOULD,he totally SHOULD!

 
I'm just interested in some basic facts of your case so that i can get a better picture of how his abuse works and the profile of his victims.

Could you please tell me what does "abused for 15 years" stand for in your user name on yahoo?
You were his devotee for 15 years despite the abuse or ...??
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Have you confided to anyone about this,to a psychiatrist maybe,your siblings?
Thanks!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 11:56 AM
This is what i wrote: Here is my prediction.Angel will not give a clear reply or keep quite for some time and Lisa or some one else will start calling me names.Or one of them will try divert the topic by answering the most silly points in my message.
So let them answer(only if they want to speak the truth) the question -

AS mentioned above Angel has not replied clearly in any of his messagesabout my second question.(the first one was very easy)

Now as i predicted earlier they will "keep quite for some time".that is this phase and as soon as i post this message they will start what i call my third prediction.

Now the third prediction "Angel will say he wants to know more about me though i have proved in my previous mail how useless it is going to be -because they can still say they need more proofand say that they cannot believe me and my stories.
OR LISA (maybe some one else) will pick the cue and call me names and then ask why should anyone answer me , a pervert ...... and so on.They might find another way to circumvent the discussion, but IT WILL NOT BE A DIRECT ANSWER TO MY POINTED QUESTION.
If they say baba is god,Are they not morally resposible to prove it(If they don't try to prove it, they will be guilty of promoting a Cheat to millions of gullible people .I am ready to prove otherwise.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 11:51 AM
"Do you still say that he maybe God?"


NO i certainly don't think he's God if he sexually abused you and if he's involved in that 1993 thing.No way.
That's the worst thing,to sexually exploit students and children in such way.I'm really sorry that he did that to you.

"Should he not give an interview to the press about what happend there?"

Yes he should, he's not above the law.


"My reporting about my abuse cannot be a point of discussion ,because you can say,you want more and more and more proof.Which may finally include physical marks"

oh don't worry i'm just intrested in some basic facts of your case so that i can get a better picture.

Could you please tell me what does "abused for 15 years" stand for in your user name on yahoo?
You were his devotee for 15 years despite the abuse or ...??
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Have you confided to anyone about this,to a psychiatrist maybe,your siblings?
Thanks!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 10:23 AM
My discussion is going to be "whether baba is God or not"
My reporting about my abuse cannot be a point of discussion ,because you can say,you want more and more and more proof.Which may finally include physical marks.Even if i prove that i was abused,you can decide not to belive it.it would become my word against Baba's or the word of any one of you.
but when i take a general topic,and still prove that he is not God or he is God,Is it not good enough?
we have enough in the things that we know.

you say :"I'm trying to figure that out.I don't really know"
Then let me ask you,: you know that murders took place there, and as a person setting an example with a statement like"my life is my message"
should he not come out openly about the controversies surrounding him??
Why is he silent on the murders?Should he not give an interview to the press about what happend there? Don't you think then he is right when he says My life is my message?
If he is not done anything wrong should he not come out in the open confidently.
IF HE DOES THAT HE DOES NOT NEED MIRACLES TO SAVE HIM. SO WHY CAN'T HE DO THAT ?
Do you still say that he maybe God?

"1.CAN BABA BE CALLED GOD BECAUSE HE MATERIALIZES THINGS IN FRONT OF SO MANY PEOPLE.
2.when he says "my life is my message".is he behaving as an example to any of us like an avatar should?"

1.No
2.I'm trying to figure that out.I don't really know,but it seems you do,so if he abused you please share right away...





Could you please explain what does abused for 15 years stand for in your user name?
You were his devotee for 15 years,despite him molesting you?
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
How long were you in his college?
how many years ?
How old were you when you started there and how old when you left?

why are you beating around the bush again?

i already told you i saw the videos and yes it appears sometimes as he's holding or transferring something i admit,whether he's cheating or not that i don't know.
Whether he is God or not i don't know that either.

I'm more concerned about the abuse allegations.
And here you are his direct sexually abused victim and i think it's only natural that i want to know about your case so that i could make sense of it.
I answered to you ,now it's time that you answer to me.You're completely anonymous.
This is a topic about SB and everything else that's related directly to him.

"What is that you want.why should you know about me ( i am sorry your quetioning makes me think ou have an agenda)I am sorry,you have not proved yoursef to be a sincere seeker of truth."

LOL are you serious,of course i have an agenda.To know the details of your case,just some simple things,most basic.You come here claiming to be his sex victim and you expect me to discuss some vids on exbaba.
What do you think it's more logical to discuss here,the general stuff which has been processed zillion times already ,exbaba and some vids we've seen for a million times or to hear the actual abuse victim share it's story.

These are all basic simple questions,so please share right away.

Could you please explain what does abused for 15 years stand for in your user name?
You were his devotee for 15 years,despite him molesting you?
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
How long were you in his college?
how many years ?
How old were you when you started there and how old when you left?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 09:35 AM
"Again you're pointing to those videos.And talking in general."
What is that you want.why should you know about me ( i am sorry your quetioning makes me think ou have an agenda)
Read the full thing and tell me with or without my contribution ,(from my experience )whether you have proof that he is God or not.but you say that i am talking general.If you cannot understand the logic in my writing,then nothing will.so forget the topic.I have written so much and you just write a sentence and want me to give you my details. That makes me suspicious. I am sorry,you have not proved yoursef to be a sincere seeker of truth.What if it is general? Disprove my argument and then we can go further.
Now,get into the discussion and don't give me the "maybe,hmmm" and all that.Say why you think that my point is right or wrong And don't keep quite and allow Lisa to change the topic by abusing me.IF YOU ARE A SINCERE SEEKER OF TRUTH AND NUETRAL ONE AT THAT, COME TO THE POINT.
How can you say he is God.If you sy you don't know,you are escaping he is either God Or a cheatHe cannot be both at the same time.Pick one and discuss and not keep asking me unrelated questions about me(because it is a general topic and it is not about me ) Don't say you do not want to discuss baba and then come to Lisa's rescue when I retaliate to her verbal abuse.As she abuses in her way , I do it in mine.If you do not want to know about baba you should not be in ,here, taking sides.Leave us alone.

you say "Again you're pointing to those videos" If you do not want to talk about videos and you do not want to go there to see for yourself then nobody can help you,assuming u want the truth.Then there is no reason that we should be talking.
Maybe some of the fanatics do not want a discussion.What about you? should you also act like them ?
I have been in parthi for too long and i can understand every single person's intentions on this board.
From now on i will ignore any question that is not related to the topic,
"is baba God?" but those who abuse me will get it back from me multi fold.
plus atleast a nugget about baba ,Incase some one gets the idea that they can divert my attention.
Here is my prediction.Angel will not give a clear reply or keep quite for some time and Lisa or some one else will start calling me names.Or one of them will try divert the topic by answering the most silly points in my message.
So let them answer(only if they want to speak the truth) the question -
1.CAN BABA BE CALLED GOD BECAUSE HE MATERIALIZES THINGS IN FRONT OF SO MANY PEOPLE.
2.when he says "my life is my message".is he behaving as an example to any of us like an avatar should?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 08:28 AM
"i remember because every word of the avatar was important to my ears.that is how you remember,is it not."

but after 20 years you remember his every word?
an all those sentences are kinky ,that's weird.
i don't understand how you can remember so much kinky sentences after 20 years.


Again you're pointing to those videos.And talking in general.

I'm more intersted in your case then about the general stuff.

Could you please explain what does abused for 15 years stand for in your user name?
You were his devotee for 15 years,despite him molesting you?
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
How long were you in his college?
how many years ?
How old were you when you started there and how old when you left?

Why sai baba is not GOD?

1.He started his so called mission by “materializations”
  Which has turned out to be pure cheating. What is the proof that he is cheating? –
. of course videosfor those who have not noticed it directly. So using Materializations to prove his Divinity is out of the .
   Question.
2. He says his life is his message.-Time and again he has been accused of Cheating ,
    Molesting, lying, and his materializations are proved fake. Now does this Man
   Wants us to believe that as God he is above scrutiny .
   With his life being his message, should he not be open to scrutiny. Does he mean
    that anyone , including criminals ,should follow his ‘message ‘ and refuse to be
    questioned. An accused rapist should go scoot free, if he has connections and as a follower of the ‘divine’ Avatar should be above scrutiny. After all his life is his message, is it not..
Should he not come out in the open about the June 3rd murders and set an example to others –after all his “life is his message”.
3. Should he not clarify why there are so many contradictions in his “life History” including his date of birth.
4.If his “life is his message”. Should he not tell the world how his brother’s family became so rich. Did he work in some IT company and give all the money to them.
5.Why is there a long chain of stores inside the ashram, Is God teaching business.?
    Of course , they get tax exemption. Then why are the goods as costly as you find it in other places.(do you know that part of this money is directly given to baba for his use)
All his so called Physical activities are ungodly activities, so does he want us to follow the LORD and make sure we also get away from the law ,unquestioned.

With no proof of extraordinary powers , He has only proved that he is a normal human being and a cheat.(If he is God then he is not proving it in his daily activities ,except proving otherwise.)
Now his so called omnipresence has not been proved to many of the devotees (who still come to him for his materializations and assumed good teachings.)
Those who claim to have experienced his grace are two kinds
1.When they prayed he has helped them.-My answer to this is—God responds when you pray to him in any form. Is it not a fact that God responds to Hindus, Christians and Muslims alike. Thou they pray to different Gods. He would respond even if you sincerely pray to a Car or tree. Because the divine power that is responding is inside us and once we have faith in anything that we worship ,miracles will happen. So why do we need to ‘donate’ this power to the so called Avatar and allow him to exploit us.
There are Billions of non devotees and anti babas who do not have the need to have him as their guide. Are they not living as happily as the so called devotees. It is the devotees who suffer, because they .cannot listen to their conscience but have to listen to their so called guru, who is expecting them to swallow any nonsense, including molestation and murder. Do we need such a God. There was a student who knew everything about baba .Though he knew baba was not divine, he prayed to baba’s form.. He told me, he is so used to it and he is not able to change himself.
I have also talked to people who say that they pray to their dead Grand fathesr or grand mothers. If it works for them do we say these dead people are God (some of these grand fathers and mothers would have themselves suffered a lot in life and maybe died of Cancer or some other disease. Then can we also worship them??

There are other devotees who say ,he showed his omnipresence, by telling them something only they know. My point is, many of these are tricks. For eg., he told a Professor that his right eye was more damaged than his left eye. The Prof. was so happy about it. The only lacuna is ,he wore a very thick glass on his right eye compared to his left .
There are times we also come across people who are naturally intuitive and are clairvoyants. We also get it sometimes. then Can we declare all these people as Gods.
THINK, BUDDIES THINK BEFORE YOU SACRIFICE YOUR LIFE FOR ANY JOKER.

i remember because every word of the avatar was important to my ears.that is how you remember,is it not.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 06:47 AM
usedbybaba

you've quoted what baba supposedly said in front of you for many times so far,it's always something naughty and sexual.
I'm just wondering how is it possible that after 20 years you remember exactly what he said,his exact words ,the sentence is always kinky and perverted in a way.
Like i said you've quoted him for at least 6 times so far.
That's kinda impossible,to remember what somebody told in front of you 20 years ago,especially 6 times or so.

Could you please explain what does abused for 15 years stand for in your user names?
You were his devotee for 15 years,despite him molesting you?
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
How long were you in his college?
how many years ?
How old were you when you started there and how old when you left?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 06:25 AM
Lisa:"And just WHERE was usedbybaba the last six years (hiding under a rock)? I guess we have to remind him the anti-Sais have been torturing people on the internet for the last five or six years and we can see what a monumental failure they are and continue to be."

Used:I know you are constipated and that is why you always think of rocks?? and your Guru always thinks of _ocks.
I thought you are cured .
Bad luck. Go directly to baba and tell him to help you.He is an expert in these things.But don't stop singing the "grapes and banana song".

Edited by author 10-15-2006 04:52 AM
When do Dadlani's lies stop? We have discussed the translation issue regarding Sai Baba several times on the other board (and the info is also on Joe's site) and Dadlani continues to lie about it. PERIOD. And speaking of lies, everything about Dadlani and his perversions is CLEARLY documented in Joe's site, saisathyasai.com. This is ANOTHER huge fabrication Dadlani keeps telling in order to deceive people.

So Dadlani, who always claims devotees are liars is now using ANOTHER Sai Baba devotee as a "reliable source" for his info on Idi Amin's alleged cannibalism! Pathetic! Make up your confused and warped mind Dadlani! Like I said, you use devotees as reliable sources to bash Baba but then claim they are liars regarding miraculous phenomena (even when there are CORROBORATING witnesses as to the events which is more than we can say for accusers). Please get some mental help Dadlani so you can see how idiotic, dishonest and irrational your position is.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 07:53 AM
See what I mean folks? The anti-Sais are ALL a bunch of warped game players and duffers with nothing better to do than whine on the internet.

Usedbybaba is SO arrogant and deluded he thinks he is going to bring Baba down while hiding and cowering behind anonymous usernames, talking like a pervert and threatening people on the internet! And just WHERE was usedbybaba the last six years (hiding under a rock)? I guess we have to remind him the anti-Sais have been torturing people on the internet for the last five or six years and we can see what a monumental failure they are and continue to be.

Two U.S. mayors (one who is a lawyer) of St. Louis
and Little Rock declared Sathya Sai Baba Days last year. Glad to see the legal pros are taking a stand against this cowardly and lawless form of tyranny the anti-Sais are fomenting.

Thankfully, we live in a democratic country that abides by the rule of LAW and the accused is considered INNOCENT until proven guilty in a court of law. Thankfully, liars like Sanjay Dadlani and usedbybaba know that they can only get away with their lies outside a courtroom as long as nobody sues them for libel. Someone should remind them both that David Icke pushed his luck like they are doing and is now begging for money due to being sued for libel. David Icke was so arrogant he even begged people to sue him! The powers that be will only tolerate so much arrogance.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 03:53 AM
LISA YOU CAN DO IT . PICK UP THE TUNE AND SING.YOU CAN DO IT BABY,YOU CAN DO IT. THE WORDINGS ARE RIGHT BELOW.
"baba grapes dhey,banana dhey, Anada dhey .. baba grapes dhey" Please all of you-- Sing with lot of devotion.After all it is about Divine grapes AND HIS BANANA .(tune is like sai prem dhey shanthi dhey Andand dhey)SING SING SING SING.DON'T STOP.SING ...... NOW RUN TO THE ....AND FINISH IT.YOUR CONSTIPATION IS GONE BY BABA'S GRACE.



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I see you are still slopping around like a pervert usedbybaba. If this is your sober state of mind you DEFINITELY need a psychiatrist. Go whine to one of them. I'm tired of your childish whining. No ADULT man OR woman whines like you ya fraud. I know serious rape victims and they don't cower and whine like you ya pervert. And they don't hate their perps like you do. That's how I know for a FACT you are LYING.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 07:40 AM
ALWAYS gossiping like a girly girl aren't you usedbybaba aka lenin999? And you seem to be obsessed with your own homosexuality. I can only imagine what people who know you are saying about you.

I notice there is a lenin999 listed as a 27 year old male in England. Maybe you and dud boy have more in common than we think.

bozo queen has one more mail on nothing.
Lisa Go and drink toddy and sing Bhajans.
The one that i taught u .the grapes and banana song. sing it with as much devotion as possible.It will help you in your constipation.First start in low pitch and then reach the peak. see how it will miraculously clear your constipation.
then you can write about this new miracle in your "new Man of miracles"
What an Avatar. He clears constipations when you sincerely pray and sing his glory. Let me have the previlage of giving him the title "The Saviour of Constipates"

"Which classmates testify to his homosexuality and where? That would be a great find!"

some of my friends who met his uravakonda class mate (12 to 15 years ago )
told me about this then.it seems there was an old man who was baba's class mate and he told them that baba was a homo and he used to go around trying to find partners. The classmate was disgusted when he talked of baba.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 05:43 AM
What a bunch of bull. You whiners are pathetic. Usedbybaba is as much a provocateur and MORE and SO are YOU Dadlani so don't play the whiney victims with me ya con artists. One minute the dork is threatening me and the next he's whining like a crybaby. What a WIMP. And the pervert talks like a pervert without ANY provocation dumbo Dadlani. Funny that you think it is PERFECTLY ok that he is such a sewerbrain, but then we already know you are too so it doesn't surprise at all. Like you, he uses every excuse in the book to enable his perversion, Dadlani. You WON'T get away with it. I've had ENOUGH of your slop and sob.

Usedbybaba, you've already made a fool out of yourself and everytime you open your big mouth you do so even more. Talk on bozo the clown, I'm having fun watching you sink your own boat. As far as I'm concerned you are nothing but a cowardly con artist and you will pay the price for your lies in the not too distant future.

And sorry, usedbybaba but you and Dadlani et al are the ones with CLEARLY documented mental problems. My guess is that schizophrenia runs in your family as you seem to be VERY paranoid. So maybe you should go see a shrink. And if you are drinking that will certainly aggravate schizophrenic symptoms.

Angel,i am not saying they are lying or not lying. let me say i can't and my experience in parthi where i was betrayed by his lies, cannot make me believe even an iota of what these people say.
why bali? ,just a few days back a guy told me how baba used to jump from trees ,or ceiling in his house.how he gave this person so many things.etc.,
my suggestion to them is to go to a shrink (no offence) and check.May be a hypnotist can help.These are people who may be split personalities( iam not saying they are)but mere stories will not help.
I was a devotee from childhood and it never happened to me or anyone close to me.
It did not happen to any of my SSSIHL friends.Now how do you want me to believe this.To me it is just a waste of time.

Usedbybaba, I feel the same as you. No matter how much people may try to spin it, the fact remains is that for every 'positive' there is with Sai Baba, there are an equal amount (if not more) of 'negatives' too.

Thankfully some of us live in democratic countries that guarantee the right of Freedom of Speech. Similarly the Internet is largely uncensored and allows people a platform on which to make their views. As I said in a few messages back, the fact remains that Sai Baba is a public figure who has announced himself as being worthy of attention. Consequently he is going to get it whether he likes it or not, or whether his devotees like it or not. This goes for both positive and negative information.

People should learn to open their eyes. There are many sides to a story just as there are many sides to Sai Baba. It's about time people got used to the fact that Sai Baba is not liked and admired by everyone and that, no matter what, people are going to criticise him whether they know what they are talking about or not.

People should also learn to be intelligent. There is a vast amount of difference between blind critics and former devotees. The obvious advantage is that the latter group clearly know what they are talking about, having spent significant amounts of time in his following, visiting him, etc. It is upto people to exercise their discrimination in discerning the facts, and what we are doing is simply presenting the true facts as they are.

To repeat, people are just going to have to get used to the fact that not everyone will have a favourable view of Sai Baba and that no amount of yapping is going to convince them otherwise, which is especially true of former devotees. It is impossible to refute the claims of former devotees, they know what they are talking about. They have experiences, and they have stories to tell. Open your eyes and your ears. See and listen. And understand. Use your brains and think critically, don't accept blindly.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 11:03 PM
he appeared to people in their room at 3AM ,he told them to get up and go meditate,they were in Bali,they both saw him,husband and wife.They're not lying.
Something is not right here.
there are so many opposite experiences reported.I don't get it.

Beleive me ,I am not angry with any of you. I am getting the satisfaction of abusing the molester.For you it might be a waste of time and it should be ,but for me, I will stop only when I cry my heart out against baba.I hate it when people call this cheat an Avatar and i will one day prove that he is nothing but a scoundrel.The minute my heart tells me to stop i will and will not waste even a second more on this crap.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 10:47 PM
ok, sorry usedbybaba i was wrong,that was posted few years ago by Amen i found it.
anyway,this whole thing is such a waste of time & energy.
Hopefully ,time will tell what the truth is.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 10:22 PM
Sure go ahead, I'll be interested to hear.

I'll check out the reference to Sai Baba's classmate but I find it interesting that two of his deskmates reincarnated as dogs. :-)

Which classmates testify to his homosexuality and where? That would be a great find!

Angel,you also sound like baba.Maybe, you are baba posting from Ashanthi nilayam.

Lisa the molester devotee :"And once again I remind you that you just berated Angel on the other board for not having ever seen Baba yet you are making very stupid judgments about unseen people on message boards!
My question is- why shoud he discuss things about someone who he has not met? seen? or worshipped? and to top it all take sides.

"Lisa: Do they come any dumber than you?"
used: yes like you and your paid friends

Lisa: "You are beginning to sound more and more like a high school drop out!"
Used: I wish I was,Atleast I would have not been molested by your Sick Guru
by the way no highschool drop outs speak english in india, like your pathetic guru.
Sanjay, speaking of high school drop outs, Baba had a friend in school who was very "Close" to him and he committed sucide according to baba( the divine ,who could not save him).If you can check through your sources and find out if it was baba's first murder or something.
one more thing, many of his class mates who maybe alive even now, report that baba was a homo, even in his school days.

well Usedbybaba could be someone who was posting years ago under a diff. nick,it sounds just like him.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 09:53 PM
Sanjay I want to tell you some thing and that is why i am checking whether you received my mail or not.As soon as you confirm, i will post my next mail to you and it might be very interesting.

Shut up Angelic, Amen's writing is there in the other forum for some time and you know that , go look into "My topic" and get into the one that i am talking about. when you cannot fight me directy you surreptiously use my quote to provoke the others and act like a coward.
I read that mail and i was upset for some time and you sadistic ******* make a joke out of that.
You call me pervert when i use exactly the expression of baba.So YOUR GOD IS THE PERVERT.He openly talks of the third leg etc., He once told a boy
""nee moodow kaalni erra kodathaanu" Meaning, I will break your third leg.WHO ?? YOUR GOD ofcourse.you worship a pervet and don't call others a pervert. There was another time he looked at kasthuri's son leaning on the second pillar in the portico and said 'Move a little, see there is a small hole on the pillar. I think your fart on it"
So it is your God who speaks like a pervert and those who continue to worship him, knowing fully well that he is a pervert are the ones who are perverts.
What latest out burst??.It is an anger that is inside me and AS I TOLD YOU I WILL CALL BABA NAMES. It was i who has experienced your divine master's molestation and not you. i cannot go to courts and this the only way i can take my revenge for destroying my life.Go get screwed by some one and then try to talk normally.
"a guy who enjoys making up and posting perverse stories for little kids to see??????????"
like your baba you are also behind kids.grow up.Why should i be nice to paid servents of baba.
If you don't like it get out.
I did not speak about any of you but the MOLESTER and world class HOMO.I know what i am doing is absolutely right.If i write about baba it is perversion and if you call me Amen it is not??? you sadist.Hey Sanjay ,Logical reasoning and talk will not help with these paid ones.
I am not going to stop my funny stories mingled with truths that i know of baba.Who are these peopel to say that i should not call bab a names.Did they rescue me when i was suffering in parthi, and on top of that they abuse me.
To reiterate what i said earlier, he would suddenly get up and 'miraculously' walk one day to show people that he can cure himself in a jiffy and then you will see how these paid ones will rejoice.
I care very little or nothing about their opinions.They keep telling that baba appeared here and there. Tell him to appear now in front of me.I will show him how to cut his twig.B*****d.This charlaten is destroying lives after lives and we have to worship him.
His brother ,janakiramiah,used to use foul language right in front of him.
Such foul language, that no one can stand near him whenhe does that.
He used the divine holy words "dengu" veeri pukka'etc. so often that a single glimpse will show what type of family he and his molester brother belonged to.
you paid devotees, i will show the world who your master is???
I AM NOT HERE TO DISCUSS philosophy of baba but facts that i know by my own experience and i care a foot, whether some paid fellow believes me or not.

Kristijan, I've caught up with the past messages and I believe that you are wrong. Usedbybaba is not posting as that "American woman", as she has been posting on that forum for a long time already. The particular message he quoted was written on 15th February 2005. As for John Walton being molested by Sai Baba, I have never heard of him. A lot of men abuse and rape women claiming that Sai Baba told them to do it, and there are even reports that he has "psychically" raped women in the ashram.

Usedbybaba, I also agree that Sai Baba is lying. We already know that he can stand (for a small amount of time) and that he does not need to be limited to his wheelchair all the time. I am also expecting a sudden "miracle cure" where he will stand up and pretend that everything is fine. In fact, I recently heard from a (brainwashed) Sai devotee who said that Sai Baba's current troubles are because he is "taking on someone's really strong karma." I just left because there is no point in talking to such stupid people who would believe anything that helps them justify their belief in an ailing deva.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 08:56 PM
Kristijan, sorry, like I said I'm not even following the fight, I don't even know who John Walton is. If he's wrong then he's wrong, if you're wrong then you're wrong. I'm just calling things as I see it. Sorry, I'm just trying to stick to Sai Baba here.

Usedbybaba sorry, I am just catching up on all that I've missed here. Yes I did receive your email but it didn't come through because it got caught in the spam filter. I will access the account on the web in a minute to read what you wrote and reply to it. Sorry for taking so long.

By the way, I was wrong! :-)

Kasturi's 'Sathyam Sivam Sundaram' (Volume 1) was not released in 1960.

It was, in fact, released on 23rd November 1961. :-)

This means that he had no less than three years to correct his text about the alleged scorpion bite, even after Puttaparthi Raju publicly denied the event of a scorpion bite in a discourse in 1958. Oh dearie me! :-)

Edited by author 10-14-2006 08:42 PM
"He was provoked into doing what he did "

but what about his latest outburst of perversion ?
was it also provoked??
he was provoked into writing that hideously perverted story about John Walton's wife?
and that's a supposed molestation victim of SB.
a guy who enjoys making up and posting perverse stories for little kids to see??????????

Re /m451:

"latest post from usedbybaba the"American lady",says otherwise,it can't get any worse then that."

Kristijan, I'm not getting involved in what I see as your childish pick'n'mix fight with Usedbybaba. I am just calling things as I see it. He was provoked into doing what he did and I think it is unfair that you, Lisa, Moreno and all are all torturing him about his behaviour when the behaviour of poiting-finger individuals is itself questionable. I am here to discuss Sai Baba. What's the matter? Has sathyasaibaba2 got boring or something?

"I already told you i don't read your blog ,nor your Shirdi posts..i honestly don't.Just occasionally i catch a glimpse and read it if it's not too long,otherwise i don't."

That's your problem then, not mine. You are the one missing out on scandalous exposés that completely prove that Sai Baba is a fraud, a fake and a liar.. I can't help noticing the discrepancy that arises when you swallow everything that is pro-Sai and give scant attention to any anti-Sai writings, no matter how reasonable it may be. This is clear burial of heads in the sand. But anyway, whatever floats your boat...

"I say nothing about the irreverent and irrelevant behaviour of Simon Brace, Lisa De Witt and Gerald Moreno."

they're not posting perversions and stuff of that nature. they're exposing you and other Sai critics.They think it's fair since you and others expose SB. why would i say anything?"

You know, you've got a real cheek with all this talk of "exposing" me when there is nothing to expose. And for the record, they are posting perversions. Of course you will not notice how they are the ones continually talking of Jesus sex crap, street bitches, homosexual brotherhood and whatever other fetid crap that comes out of their brains.

I like the way you copy their justifications exactly, thinking that they have a right to "expose" me when I am exposing Sai Baba. You clearly haven't understood that Sai Baba is in a major league that warrants attention and is going to get it whether he likes it or not. The point here is how you have nothing ast all to say about the thoroughly reprehensible behaviour of the 'three stooges' yet yourself indulge in finger-pointing fights with Usedbybaba. Like I said, I think this is a clear case of double standards. It's clear that Sai Baba devotees like you and the rest of them have no interest in critical thinking and discussion of Sai Baba, which is what all these forums were created for. It must be a nice life swallowing all the rubbish that comes from the Puttaparthi Propaganda Machine. I should know, I spent 10 years doing that.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 08:30 PM
/m481 /m482

Lisa Keeps On Lying :-)

"We've ALREADY discussed that some transcripts have translation problems. Dadlani is playing mind games again trying to distract from this fact."

We have not discussed the alleged translation problems of transcripts. Lisa De Witt has not responded to my point about why she screams about alleged problems evey time something is highlighted that proves Puttaparthi Raju as a shameless liar.

Furthermore, it is open knowledge that discourse transcripts are checked personally by Puttaparthi Raju before publication, and that every book sold in his ashram bookshop is done with his express permission. Tough beans. This is not to say that printing errors etc do not occur - of course they do - but since Sai Baba personally checks each and every discourse transcript and gives permission for it to be sold, why haven't these "mistakes" been corrected?

Only a dumb braindead zombie like Lisa De Witt continues to dribble endlessly about "translation problems2 whenever her faggot guru is proven to be a liar.

"Kasturi's book wasn't about Idi Amin. It was about Baba. Why put negativity where it is not needed?"

Is Lisa THICK or something?

Who said that Kasturi's book was about Amin? The fact remains that Sai Baba met Idi Amin and this is a recorded fact in his biography, period. End of discussion, as your friend Homoreno loves to say. That should put paid to some of the lies put out by your folks that the two didn't meet.

"Baba went to Uganda and did what he could do to change the situation and warned people when he saw Amin was not going to change his ways"

Yet even a smart person like Paul Holbach (who, by the way, presented some great rationalistic critiques of Sai Baba way before the allegations ever came out, showing that his critiques are "existential" and are largely untouched by sexual abuse controversies) noted the following:

"Sai Baba has stated to have come for 'the destruction of the evil-doers, for the re-establishment of righteousness, etc...'; then how to explain that, despite the direct intervention of the Supreme Embodiment of God, the only direct intervention ever made by Sai Baba, Idi Amin could have been free to do what he has done? And why so many others, some even worse than him, were free to act and grow old without troubles? Is this the way Sai Baba thinks to re-establish the righteousness worldwide?"

Tough beans.


"Why didn't Krishna stop the war that MILLIONS were killed in dumbo Dadlani? How many times do we have to keep repeating ourselves because YOU are SO dumb, hypocritical and intellectually dishonest, Dadlani?"

You are clearly an ignoramus. Don't you know what your own faggot guru has said? Here, let me enlighten your tiny peabrain:

"Let me tell you that emphatic declarations of the truth by Avathars were made so clearly and so unmistakably only by Krishna. In spite of the declaration, you will notice in the career of the same Krishna that he underwent defeat in his efforts and endeavors, on a few occasions; you must also note that those defeats too were part of the drama that he had planned and that he himself directed. For example, when many kings pleaded with him to avert the war with the Kauravas, he confessed that his mission to the Kaurava Court for ensuring peace had 'failed'! But, he had not willed that it should succeed! He had decided that war would be waged! His mission was intended to publish the greed and iniquity of the Kauravas and to condemn them before the whole world." - Source

For the record, your faggotface friend Gerald Homoreno got his butt kicked twice on this same subject. Do us all a favour and read up on your homoguru's teachings instead of humiliating yourself as an ignoramus in public. It's getting old.

"There is no proof Amin was into cannibalism. WE all know how Dadlani thrives on sensationalism and lies like they are manna from heaven."

The references to Idi Amin's taste for human headskins and raw brains comes from the Sai Baba book 'When God Walks The Earth' by Jack Shemesh. Typical, you don't know what you are talking about again.


"Likewise, when are you going to ask Sanjay to quit abusing people, hypocrite and whiner usedbybaba? Maybe when you bozos start acting like adults and take responsibility for your lies and hypocrisy you will be treated as such."

The record (on all forums including this one) clearly shows Lisa De Witt as an abuser, hypocrite, slanderer, defamer, and liar ad infinitum. Even without provocation, no less! I have attempted to discuss these issues in a calm and rational manner as I always do, but do not expect me to act nicely with people who insist on spitting in my face for no reason at all.

If you don't behave, you'll get a kick up the butt. Considering that Sai devotees are getting thoroughly thrashed here with 'philosophical' and 'historical' butt-kicks, it's no surprise when they get behavioural but-kicks as well. Get used to it.

"which has far exceeded anything that anti-Sai critics have done?"


latest post from usedbybaba the"American lady",says otherwise,it can't get any worse then that.


I already told you i don't read your blog ,nor your Shirdi posts..i honestly don't.Just occasionally i catch a glimpse and read it if it's not too long,otherwise i don't.


"say nothing about the irreverent and irrelevant behaviour of Simon Brace, Lisa De Witt and Gerald Moreno."


they're not posting perversions and stuff of that nature.
they're exposing you and other Sai critics.They think it's fair since you and others expose SB.
why would i say anything?

Re /m479:

"Wahhhhhh? I don't embrace perversion and deviance. I personally didn't like your streetbitches blog...i thought it was distasteful ,disrespectful and GROSSSSS."

Pardon me? My Streetbitches blog? You actually believe Moreno's foolish speculations and lies? Shame on you. I suppose you think that he has "proof" as well?

And as for your embrace of perversions and deviancies, I admit that it was a tongue-in-cheek comment to UsedByBaba. However, I find it extremely interesting how you enjoy engaging in a protracted fight with him (even now) about his "foul language" and "irrelevant gossip" when you sit back and say nothing about the irreverent and irrelevant behaviour of Simon Brace, Lisa De Witt and Gerald Moreno. It looks like a clear case of double standards to me. How come you have nothing to say about the behaviour of these three, which as far exceeded anything that anti-Sai critics have done?

By the way, I notice that you have nothing to say about the recent 'Shirdi Lies' expose either. Tough beans, Sai Baba's empire will come crashing down since it was all built on this Shirdi pronouncement. Wanna know something else? Puttaparthi Raju also wore a locket of Shirdi Sai Baba's around his neck when he was a schoolboy. :-)

Re /m478:

"i knew about that since like 1992 or something,what are you just now discovering these things? i thought you were en expert on SB. LOL"

What exactly do you find so funny? And what makes you think I am discovering this now? Because you are unfamiliar with these issues and you don't know know what I'm trying to get at, you didn't know that some devotees (perhaps De Witt and Gerald Moreno) are attmpting to peddle the lie that Sai Baba never met Idi Amin.

Good for you that you knew this since 1992. That means you worship a homosexual paedophile who met with a murderous cannibalistic dictator who proceeded to murder 300,000 of his own people and didn't lift a finger to prevent any of it.

the story was written by him,it's obvious.

I think it's funny that the supposedly "college educated" usedbybaba believes a story written by a person who is OBVIOUSLY mentally disturbed and sounds like a paranoid schizophrenic! Pathetic! Are you this dumb all the time usedbybaba?
And once again I remind you that you just berated Angel on
the other board for not having ever seen Baba yet you are making very stupid judgments about unseen people on message boards!

Do they come any dumber than you?

You are beginning to sound more and more like a high school drop out!

what a waste of time.

"your mind is so perverted it's unbelievable.
It's full of filth.Your behavior disgusts me."
So does yours when you call a lady victim "Amen" pervert.

your mind is so perverted it's unbelievable.
It's full of filth.
Your behavior disgusts me.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 01:30 PM
I have a strong doubt.I feel babas legs are O.k but he is acting.Wait for the day when he would suddenly get up and walk making people believe that he has cured himself.trust me he is going to do that.Sanjay believe me he has done this before.To raise the morale of his fanatic troops he is doing this.

My other funny view. Maybe some one bit his twig and it is really paining so much that the pain is shooting down the other leg.Maybe he has sent his people to find out the missing piece of twig,and after getting it back he will call his doctors and then wave his hand and materialise his
thing and tell them to fix it with "fevicol" or some other gum.
Then start his daily exercise again "pumping,pumping,pumping,pumping.

maybe it has worn out. now he does not know how to pee.
After all he has a super speciality hospital where they can fix him with a donkey's thing. Less wear and tear.When he is excited it will reach out to any one in front of him. Then he can learn to wave the thing and materialise vibhuthi.NO NEED TO USE HIS HAND, but again he has a problem.He cannot go near Sai Geetha his elephant.She will think her partner has come to mate and she might land on baba's lap.One more problem,he has to depute a sevadal to carry"It" when he walks around during dharshan or put "It" over his shoulder like a towel.
Baba is so good at things that he might even use his large new "fitting" to drink milk,Coffee,Tea.
After that we can send donkeys to suck (bite) his thing instead of young boys.Both will enjoy.
JOKES APART,BELIEVE ME BABA WILL GET UP AND WALK AGAIN INTRODUCING ANOTHER MIRACLE TO HIS BOOK OF LIES

Edited by author 10-14-2006 01:03 PM
usedbybaba wrote:
"I just read this mail from the other quick topic forum from a woman called amen.So sad. She has given her husbands' name and other details .It is really sad.May God help her through this trauma.She will get over her pain for sure by GOD"S grace.HOw can there be such bastards who are escaping the gallows.Read it, you will understand her pain(of course not the paid ones)
 "I am a woman from America who has decided to speak out against Sai Baba and any other who advocates opening a woman's first, ie sexual chakra through penetration into the sacred womb of woman's life. My husband, John Walton, held the theory that any woman who suffered from a blocked first chakra could automatically be cured by this sick approach. He had a guide named Hinono given to him by Sai Baba, and together the three of them made mince meat of me and my desire for truth, monogamy and woman's search for life. Many of the women he slept with claimed they too heard Sai Baba tell them it must be done. Later, they used the excuse that it was being done for my healing alone, as I would not submit to this vile rape and incest of all that was really God. So one day when I was at my lowest ebb, Sai Baba came to me and forced raped me anally. Thereafter, I was raped repeatedly and tormented on the psychic plane for many, many years. I was nearly made insane and I nearly died. I couldn't even eat. I know killing me was their combined evil desire. I have found ways on the psychic plane to fight him back, and am grateful this vicious and Satanic man is finally being rid off our precious Mother Earth. I know who I am spiritually and Sai Baba now has no power over me. I want to tell you all not to be afraid. I work with a large group of women who know how to undo his evil rituals performed by him and primarily Kumar. They are all liars and do indeed know what is going on."

____________________

This tops it all.
This "American woman" writes and sounds exactly like you.
It's now official, you're a p*****.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 10:07 AM
I just read this mail from the other quick topic forum from a woman called amen.So sad. She has given her husbands' name and other details .It is really sad.May God help her through this trauma.She will get over her pain for sure by GOD"S grace.HOw can there be such bastards who are escaping the gallows.Read it, you will understand her pain(of course not the paid ones)
 "I am a woman from America who has decided to speak out against Sai Baba and any other who advocates opening a woman's first, ie sexual chakra through penetration into the sacred womb of woman's life. My husband, John Walton, held the theory that any woman who suffered from a blocked first chakra could automatically be cured by this sick approach. He had a guide named Hinono given to him by Sai Baba, and together the three of them made mince meat of me and my desire for truth, monogamy and woman's search for life. Many of the women he slept with claimed they too heard Sai Baba tell them it must be done. Later, they used the excuse that it was being done for my healing alone, as I would not submit to this vile rape and incest of all that was really God. So one day when I was at my lowest ebb, Sai Baba came to me and forced raped me anally. Thereafter, I was raped repeatedly and tormented on the psychic plane for many, many years. I was nearly made insane and I nearly died. I couldn't even eat. I know killing me was their combined evil desire. I have found ways on the psychic plane to fight him back, and am grateful this vicious and Satanic man is finally being rid off our precious Mother Earth. I know who I am spiritually and Sai Baba now has no power over me. I want to tell you all not to be afraid. I work with a large group of women who know how to undo his evil rituals performed by him and primarily Kumar. They are all liars and do indeed know what is going on.

bits and pieces man Angel.Don't pick parts and put them in.and try to divert the attention from baba like Lisa .here is your quote from my mail "ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth"
What was the context.you asked me whether I discuss sex in matrimonial columns, sites. I was angry and i told you the above. later you acted as though you understood what i said and now stooping so low you quote from that.
This sample is enough for your accusations.
What is your profession? you answer me.Don't tell me that you are into this forum for fun .Then don't take sides.
Now i know that you are so angry and ready to give me back mmm.

Guys i will not stop talking about baba in the most derogative words.I will also keep posting on whatever information i have on parthi.These pro baba's have motivated me so much that i think i have to post more on baba
and not answer the "paid ones"

Let us ask some basic questions?
1.Why did Dr.Bhagavantham and his sons leave baba?
2.Dr.Sudharshan left baba and got married very late.
  He was a person who slept in the cold sands of brindawan just to gain
  baba's love and baba destroyed him slowly.Such is his selfishness.People like Dr.sudarshan cannot tell anyone about any of these things,because no one is going to believe them.They will end up making a fool of themselves,because the BaBa phenomenon has grown for nearly 70 years and many people are entwined by this. So these victims follow the Philosophy
of"IF you cannot fight them,join them." So many of my friends told me that it is a waste of time to fight against baba for he is too big. If we do it we will end up like those who were murdered there and went out from people's memory without a trace.He has people all over ,paid people.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 09:25 AM
bits and pieces man Angel.Don't pick parts and put them in.and try to divert the attention from baba like Lisa .here is your quote from my mail "ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth"
What was the context.you asked me whether I discuss sex in matrimonial columns, sites. I was angry as we indians consider marriage sacred and i told you the above. later you acted as though you understood what i said and now stooping so low to you quote from that.
This sample is enough for your accusations.
What is your profession? you answer me.Don't tell me that you are into this forum for fun .Then don't take sides.
Now i know that you are so angry and ready to give me back mmm.

Guys i will not stop talking about baba in the most derogatively.I will also keep posting on whatever information i have on parthi.These pro baba's have motivated me so much that i think i have to post more on baba
and not answer the "paid ones"

Let us ask some basic questions?
1.Why did Dr.Bhagavantham and his sons leave baba?
2.Dr.Sudharshan left baba and got married very late.
  He was a person who slept in the cold sands of brindawan just to gain
  baba's love and baba destroyed him slowly.Such is his selfishness.People like Dr.sudarshan cannot tell anyone about any of these things,because no one is going to believe them.They will end up making a fool of themselves,because the BaBa phenomenon has grown for nearly 70 years and many people are entwined by this. So these victims follow the Philosophy
of"IF you cannot fight them,join them." So many of my friends told me that it is a waste of time to fight against baba for he is too big. If we do it we will end up like those who were murdered there and went out from people's memory without a trace.He has people all over ,paid people.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 07:12 AM
--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
> ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth.
> You don't have to tell them about the other similar discussions that
> you had with joe 108.His wife may not like it.you are a very naughty
> girl.




--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
>
> who is premanand?
> by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole.
> you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. u must have molested

your brother or father and blamed them for this
> Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA.I can write worse than this and i am

capable of doing more, u shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth.Maybe you eat through your

bottom.
> You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying. You bi''**h
> Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine.
> tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did

ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth.
> If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I remember people for life and don't take me for

granted.
> BAS****D




--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
>
> sob sob sob sob sob.If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you. Go and

taste baba's linga . or rathnakar maybe.it is free .They told me he is divorced.Is it true? if it is true

you can get married to him. try him he is only in his thirties unlike BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who

is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know .maybe he will adjust it when he knows he is

going to die to suit the stories that he told.
>
> by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the third leg. we know of Siva's third eye what is the third

leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy.
>



--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, <conscientiousobjector2000@...> wrote:
> > "You still haven't explained why you think God
> > NEEDS a blow job "




> --- usedbybaba <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
    Because you have been doing it to him for such
> > a long time he wanted
> > everyone to do it,your way.Addict baba



--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, "usedbybaba" <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
> The only difference between homousedbybaba and hetrousedbybaba is If
> i was a Homo I would have used baba, and as a hetro I would maybe
> use you hmmm yuck no no nooooooooooo.I am running for cover.Sorry I
> forogt you are an Animal lover.


> --- usedbybaba <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
"I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha,Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any

message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do...I am smiling. blah blah blah

LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha

ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "

_____________________

"Animal lover"???????

so ,now your promoting bestiality????
where's the limit to your perversions???
Does it ever end?

Edited by author 10-14-2006 07:21 AM
/m486

Are you ALWAYS this immature, babaabuser? I don't believe you are in your 40s. You act like a five year old. Pathetic and childish. How did you get to be so dumb?

We can all see too clearly how intelligent you aren't.

I thought you are attracted to men like a normal woman.Now u suddenly talk about girls.. ???
why is it the baba disease???
"I've heard you like to abuse women "
So you like men who abuse men like your BABA
Do you like tetotlers like baba or are you interested to know about people who are alchoholic like you???.I heard you drink to the brim and sing sai bhajans and then serve Toddy to all the devotees, sick Divine

Who taught you to be such a girly gossip usedbybaba? You sound like an immature girly girl the way you run your sleazy mouth all the time.

Speaking of gossip, I've heard you like to abuse women and are an alcoholic who can't keep a steady job (probably because you run your gossipy mouth so much and nobody likes you).

So why don't you tell us why you believed Baba was God? I haven't heard anything convincing out of you yet.

The sick licksa again rambles.
Sanjay you know why baba does not leave India? Because he knows he will be caught red handed cheating his miracles.
and maybe he would be arrested if he goes to U.S.,now with all the sex scandels.
Lisa is talking of the Indian politicians and Govt. supporting BABa the molester,but what abot the U.S govt.'s warning to those Americans who come to India and want to see the Cheat.
As an Incarnation should he not clear the doubts of his devotees??
One more thing Sanjay Did you get my mail that i sent to your gmail id 20 or 25 days back ?

Edited by author 10-14-2006 04:10 AM
Sanjay :"Contrary to what some zombie dumbloons assert, Sathya Sai Baba did meet with Idi Amin during the former's one and only trip abroad to Africa in 1968. Amin later seized power in a bloody coup and is believed to have ordered the murder of an estimated 300,000 Ugandan citizens and expelling thousands of Asians (Indians) out of Uganda. That is, when he was not openly indulging in his cannibalistic habit of gorging on human headskins and raw brains which he had declared to be his favourite food!"

As a student i used to wonder why my divine baba met a murderer.Now as a non devotee I know he was pure stupid.
By the way Dr.Patel's two grand children (now must be in their thirties (Kush Patel and Raj Patel studied in Parthi secondry school.
Most of those who were "used" belonged to Kush patel's batch and the next few batches.
The later batches were alerted by their seniors'experience.Though the numbers reduced,it did not stop.

/m469

Likewise, when are you going to ask Sanjay to quit abusing people, hypocrite and whiner usedbybaba? Maybe when you bozos start acting like adults and take responsibility for your lies and hypocrisy you will be treated as such. Funny that you are so blind that you cannot see how immature or drunk you are acting.

And I do remember you making insults WAY before anyone said anything to you. Your ridiculous comments about people having sex, remember hypocrite? How easily you forget your own abusive posts.

Practice before precept bozo.

Edited by author 11-07-2006 03:40 AM
/m470, /m471

We've ALREADY discussed that some transcripts have translation problems. Dadlani is playing mind games again trying to distract from this fact.

Smart people don't play mind games and lie the way you do usedbybaba. You and Sanjay together are producing more ad hominem attacks than either you hypocritical bozos can probably count.

I wouldn't even venture to say you are clever either. A smart adult doesn't think sex with God will purify him. A smart adult doesnt hide behind numerous usernames and then lie about it.
You are a legend in your own mind usedbybaba. If your ego gets any bigger you may not be able to fit through the door.

/m478, /m477

Especially disturbing since I have written about Idi Amin before and Dadlani is still trying to lie about it out of desperation. Kasturi's book wasn't about Idi Amin. It was about Baba. Why put negativity where it is not needed? Baba went to Uganda and did what he could do to change the situation and warned people when he saw Amin was not going to change his ways (kind of like Dadlani the Terrible who would rather look at jesus porn and stalk women with his camera and post disgusting garbage about them on his pervert blog...see /m272).
Why didn't Krishna stop the war that MILLIONS were killed in dumbo Dadlani? How many times do we have to keep repeating ourselves because YOU are SO dumb, hypocritical and intellectually dishonest, Dadlani?
Your lying and whining is getting VERY old, Dadlani. It's the same TRASH over and over again with you. Better change your evil ways or your karma's gonna hit you in the head one of these days.

BTW, Dadlani forgets to tell people that Idi Amin was eventually chased out (perfect karma) of Uganda and was on the run for years (and had to hide out in Libya...where anti-Sai, Duncan Roads is friends with Libyan leader, Gaddafi who helped Amin...and then Saudi Arabia) before he died. There is no proof Amin was into cannibalism. WE all know how Dadlani thrives on sensationalism and lies like they are manna from heaven. Talk about dishonesty and lack of historical objectivity. Dadlani takes the cake. Dadlani is a real duffer who thinks everyone is as dumb as he is.

Edited by author 10-14-2006 12:07 AM
"I deliberately did not bother about the singulars and plurals in my so called details.
I WILL NEVER GIVE THE DETAILS

your assumptions will only make you look stupid."
_________________

wahhhhhhhhh?

you said enough.
you gave SB a blow job "FEW TIMES" and you touched his and he touched yours for "many more times"
that's enough for me to know.





"I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha,Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do...I am smiling. blah blah blah LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "
________________________

And for God's sake stop laughing,there's nothing funny about sexual abuse.
GEEEEZ

Edited by author 10-14-2006 01:04 PM
"And there is no use in asking Angelic what he thinks about Lisa's own behaviour etc. These people are just partisan and biased in favour of Sai Baba, openly worshippping him and being his devotees so they are unfair and have double standards. They just embrace each other's perversions and deviancies "

Wahhhhhh?
I don't embrace perversion and deviance.
I personally didn't like your streetbitches blog...i thought it was distasteful ,disrespectful and GROSSSSS.

"Just look at this recent Idi Amin thing. They didn't even know that Sai Baba had met Idi Amin! Now I don't have to scan that photo after all since Kasturi just verified their meeting for me. :-)"


i knew about that since like 1992 or something,what are you just now discovering these things?
i thought you were en expert on SB.
LOL

"That's all Kasturi had to say about Sai Baba and Idi Amin. When we consider that Kasturi's work has been written after that Amin committed his massacres and his misfacts, one has to say that this biography is a clear example of historical objectivity and impartiality in the recording of facts the way they had really happened... However, and evidently Kasturi seems not to have noticed it, the 'blessings and counsels' and the 'vision of His Glory' have been quite effective, since shortly after this 'august and Divine Encounter' with Sai Baba, Idi Amin expelled all the Asians, put his Country down on knees and killed and tortured almost 300.000 peoples. Not so bad indeed."

"I've read that SB would have gone to Uganda to protect the big Hindu community which was living there. That didn't help much, since in 1972 Idi Amin expelled all Asians, Hindus included, from Uganda. And anyway, if ever this hypothesis were true, it would remain to explain this: Sai Baba has stated to have come for 'the destruction of the evil-doers, for the re-establishment of righteousness, etc...'; then how to explain that, despite the direct intervention of the Supreme Embodiment of God, the only direct intervention ever made by Sai Baba, Idi Amin could have been free to do what he has done? And why so many others, some even worse than him, were free to act and grow old without troubles? Is this the way Sai Baba thinks to re-establish the righteousness worldwide?"

- Paul Holbach

"Real devoteed never venture into abusive language.They try to discuss."

I have offered them the chance many times to stop insulting and discuss properly, but they refuse to do so. All of them. They love to abuse so that is why they do it. They disobey Sai Baba and don't follow his teachings, but they want to defend him and pretend to be devotees anyway. They can't defend Sai Baba so they abuse us instead.

Just look at this recent Idi Amin thing. They didn't even know that Sai Baba had met Idi Amin! Now I don't have to scan that photo after all since Kasturi just verified their meeting for me. :-)

And just for a laugh, here is the reference:

"Baba's Presence at Kampala was utilised by many for receiving Blessings and Counsel. The High Commissioner of India, Shri K.P.R. Singh, the Chief of Staff of the Uganda Army, General Idi Amin, the Minister of Defence, Mr. Onama, the Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Mr. Ojira, the Minister of Internal Affairs, Mr. Bataringaya, the Inspector of Police, Mr. Oryema, and other African leaders met Him at Dr. Patel's residence and obtained a glimpse of the Glory of Baba." - SSS Vol 3, 'The Awakening Continent'

Edited by author 10-13-2006 11:21 PM
 "They can't defend Sai baba to save their lives so they just talk crap instead.

Real devoteed never venture into abusive language.They try to discuss.
If they cannot they diappear to keep their faith intact.
THESE ARE PAID MERCINARIES

OFCOURSE SHE IS STUPID.STUPID IS AN EUPHEMISM FOR BRAIN DEAD HERE

Edited by author 10-13-2006 11:09 PM
For the record, and for all their talk about 'UsedByBaba's' "foul language" and "potty mouth", they conveniently forget that UsedByBaba was provoked by Lisa De Witt, just as she provokes everybody else.

And there is no use in asking Angelic what he thinks about Lisa's own behaviour etc. These people are just partisan and biased in favour of Sai Baba, openly worshippping him and being his devotees so they are unfair and have double standards. They just embrace each other's perversions and deviancies as if they were normalcy, yet obsessively pick over the real or imgined faults of everyone else all in a bid to obfuscate the discussion away from Sai Baba.

We must try not to fall for the trick and keep to our discussions on Sai Baba. When we don't post on other forums (like sathyasaibaba2) they obsessively follow us here and harass everyone with their foul abuses, irrelevant dribbling and ad-hominem attacks. They can't defend Sai baba to save their lives so they just talk crap instead.

"1000 times more INTELLIGENT "than lisa
i have not clerly given details and assuming that u have all the details by just reading or copy pasting will not help.I deliberately did not bother about the singulars and plurals in my so called details.
I WILL NEVER GIVE THE DETAILS

your assumptions will only make you look stupid.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 11:02 PM

Is Lisa STUPID?

Questioning the official transcripts of the discourses? Tsk tsk. This info is in the SSSBPT site as a PDF file, and it is also in my own edition of 'Sathya Sai Speaks' Volume 1.

Isn't it funny how blind and brainwashed Sai devotees always doubt those sayings which put Sai Baba into trouble? Funnily enough, we are not talking about Sai Baba's contradictions here (which he always makes anyway) but as far as anyone is concerned, this is just a simple discourse where Sai Baba is telling a biographical fact about his own life. Trouble? Not to worry! Throw it into doubt! 'Tis a translation mistake!

Sai Baba devotees are not only pseudo-intellectual but also intellectually dishonest. According to them, Sai Baba's entire canon of discourses muyst be dumped in the garbage bin because they may all contain translation mistakes whenever someone makes a (documented) point that exposes Raju for the lame fraud that he is.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 11:13 PM
Angel"i like to know what's happening with Sb,"

Used"But you talk only about us and you wrote you are not intrested inknowing about baba , Mandir etc.,Do you remember?

Angel:"look ,the only thing i pointed out is that some of your posts have been written in hideously perverted style".

I ahve not written any thing in my recent mails after my outburst when she called me a pervert.Then how come you lead everyone to this again and again?
How is that Lisa's abuses Don't appear bad to you??ARe they holy??
You go out of the way to search for my posts and do the cut and post job,precisely when I ask Lisa not to abuse,suggesting, u(me)too abuse??
You know very well I have not abused her for a long time now,then why are you so interested in reverting back??
You had no qualms when she kept abusing me in the beginning when i started writing,not knowing who is lisa or anyone else?
You waited for me to blow my top and now you are using it to help others(or is it helping you??) to attack me.
Asking her to write civilly is wrong is it??
Then do have a vested interest in making this forum continue to be an abusive one????

Is Lisa BLIND?

I already said that a photo exists of Sai Baba and Idi Amin, bozo. Unlike you I don't rely on the Puttaparthi Propaganda Machine to arm myself with facts, I rely on the reports in a book that was published at the time.

Just wait till I find it, I'll scan the pic of Amin and Sai Baba. :-)

Edited by author 10-13-2006 10:51 PM
anywayyyyyy,why did you MR.("believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN" )as an adult give sb a blow job?

WHY SHOULD AN AND 1000 TIMES LESS INTELLIGENT PERSON SPEND SO MUCH TIME IN THE NET TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HE DAS NOT EVEN SEEN???? AND HAVE A FEMALE NAME ????
Why should he/she ask leading questions that help one group to abuse others????
What are you benefits ??
Are a part of this fanatic gang? Why should Lisa and others be mollycoddling you when you are supposed to be neutral?

Why do you refuse to talk about baba but jump to give one liners about.
people?

By the way I have not given clear details about how he used me and using my writings on myself will not make me come out with the details about myslef.
you should know when ? how many times? and how ? i was molested? for you to conclude.
I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha
I survived in parthi with baba and all others are next to nothing compared to BABA THE BASTARD

so don't waste your time,here with your leading intelligent ??? one liners
(Planning how to attack smoothly??)
__________________

I'm not asking you details because you already gave me details.

You said you gave him a blow job for a FEW TIMES and touched his thing for "many more times",that's enough.

I'm just WONDERING since you CLAIM to BE "1000 times more INTELLIGENT",why on earth did you,such super intelligent Indian ,why did you as an adult give SB a blow job,returned and gave him a blow job AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.




whyyyyyyyyyyy?


"I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha"

why are you laughing?there's nothing funny about sexual abuse.
your "HEHEH AHAHA ha aha ha ,I'm enjoying this"
comments are weird and kinda inappropriate in such serious discussionnnnn.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 10:41 PM
anywayyyyyy,why did you MR.("believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN" )as an adult give sb a blow job?

WHY SHOULD AN 1000 TIMES LESS INTELLIGENT PERSON SPEND SO MUCH TIME IN THE NET TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HE DAS NOT EVEN SEEN???? AND HAVE A FEMALE NAME ????
Why should he/she ask leading questions that help one group to abuse others????
What are your benefits ??
Are a part of this fanatic gang? Why should Lisa and others be mollycoddling you when you are supposed to be neutral?

Why do you refuse to talk about baba but jump to give one liners about.
people?

By the way I have not given clear details about how he used me and using my writings on myself will not make me come out with the details about myslef.
you should know when ? how many times? and how ? i was molested? for you to conclude.
I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha
I survived in parthi with baba and all others are next to nothing compared to BABA THE BASTARD

so don't waste your time,here with your leading intelligent ??? one liners
(Planning how to attack smoothly??)

look ,the only thing i pointed out is that some of your posts have been written in hideously perverted style.
That's all.

For all i know you could be telling the truth

And I'm not obsessed ...i just have some free time and i like to know what's happening with Sb, I've known about him since 1990,it's not an obsession,it's just my interest.
I've answered your questions.
















"HERE IS SOME MORE HELP ANGEL
IF YOU ARE AS SINCERE AS YOU TRY TO SHOW TO BE, ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT I RAISED:
AND THAT WAS TO YOU

Just answer these
1. When baba made me do the blow job. i was confused and slowly understood that he was a homo.For that matter he did not want me to write to him as Sai Mother.
____________

ok.

2.Will you allow it to happen to you or your kith and kin
_____________
no.

3.All the names mentioned in ex.baba .com of the student victims are 100% true
4.i lived with these guys.Nithyanand menon was a malayalee warden
   Radhakrishnanan who died on the june 6th incident had a brother calle ravishankar and they are from ooty.
5.Diwakar muthukrishna the person who molested small boys is now married to
   radhakrishna's sister and he is the adopted on of Dr.Kamla.his parents are from srilanka and australia (one from each country.
_______________
ok.


6.with so much you still want to believe that iam a lier.
_______________
i'm saying you could be just about anyone.I have no idea,but thanx for sharing your traumatic experince ,perhaps it'll help some people.


7.Who else you want to know about.
8.What about Aswath narayana the jeweller from Anantapur.

________________
okaaaaaaaay.


 
The fact is I have gone through these experiences and none of you have including thse from ex.baba
Let us not be blind to the facts.
tell me u have not answered my first question
why is babas date of birth wrong in his school records.
_____________________

i have no idea.

_______________________

i don't think you will give me any logical answer, afterall iam not your brother.
go close topeople who have sufferd and then talk.
Atleast iam able to mail people.
Hundreds have suffered because of his sexual exploits and nobody who has not experienced it can ever ever deny it.
The pain i went through when i read some articles, irememberd my suffering.
Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible. i was trying to justify it for a long time. but my consience did not permit it.
Hey i recently met a jeweller who told me tha a close devotee of baba bought a lot of jewels from his shop a few years back before going to parthi
____________________

"believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN (no offence meant towards other nationals)."



"Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible"
______________________



I can see that you're intelligent,you're really smart and stuff .


so ,anywayyyyyy,why did you MR.("believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN" )as an adult give sb a blow job?

if it was horrible and you are intelligent as you say,why then ,after that first nauseating as you say ,horrible experience,of giving a blow job to an old man at the time you were an adult,why did you return and gave that kinda old man a "blow job" few more times,why did you MR.("1000 times more intelligent") do it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN?
and if it was so horrible and nauseating,why did you touch his thing for "many more times" also?

















????

Edited by author 10-20-2007 07:53 AM
Usedbybaba (why do I have to repeat this AGAIN if you supposedly have a college education?), I WANT people to know that I am a REAL molestation victim who has the EXPERIENCE to back up my OPINION. I do NOT believe you are. I do NOT believe you reacted in the manner an ADULT would react if they were molested by Sai Baba. PERIOD. Whine all you want about it. You sound jealous. Grow up and quit trying to distract from the issues with your incessant whining. It's getting VERY OLD.

Are you ALWAYS so whiney?

Edited by author 10-26-2006 09:30 PM
/m455

So Sanjay is using one of those transcripts from 1958 which may contain translation mistakes. Any first grader can deduce that there is OBVIOUSLY a translation error.

Ask hypocrite Sanjay why he is not so picky about his anti-Sai buddies who contradict their stories when there is NO translation discrepancy? In other words, his buddies are out right liars but he could care less. Given Sanjay's track record for fibbing, this does not surprise me.

I could care less whether you believe I was molested or not.
Ho DO YOU THINK WE CARE ANYTHING ABOUT A PAID RAMBLLER.
BUT THE POINT IS YOU REPEAT THIS MOLESTATION THING AS THOUHGH IT IS AN ACHIEVEMENT. You don't need to be a victim to understand other victims,All you u need is a heart.NONE OF YOU SICK ONES HAVE IT.Other wise why should you make money using other people's life.

Madam bah blah = Answer my question you ******* Are you a woman?
  How much are you paid for becoming Licksa ?
  What is your (Pretext) job?
  

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you ignore evrything that i ask and you want me to answer your question. Answer my questions and don't try to help the fanatics attack all the anti sais.
  Tell me WHY ARE YOU OBSSED WITH THIS GROUP WHEN YOU HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN BABA????
  why do you always ask directing questions,obviously wanting the fanatics to take the cue??
  what happend to Sai bab discussion???
   
  Tell me the truth ,Areyou also the paid for doing this???
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Edited by author 03-02-2008 12:22 AM
/m458

Sanjay is trying to mislead people once again (as USUAL), or is he just a dumbloon? The public documentation shows VERY clearly that Sai Baba met with a GROUP of people, one of whom was a devotee. That person was Idi Amin's DOCTOR, by the name of Patel and was the reason Sai Baba went to Africa in the first place to warn Patel to LEAVE. Patel did not heed Sai Baba's warning and barely escaped with his life after Amin kicked all Indians out of the country.

This is the PERECT example as to how Sanjay's criminal mind works to package and distort information.


Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:44 PM
Contrary to what some zombie dumbloons assert, Sathya Sai Baba did meet with Idi Amin during the former's one and only trip abroad to Africa in 1968. Amin later seized power in a bloody coup and is believed to have ordered the murder of an estimated 300,000 Ugandan citizens and expelling thousands of Asians (Indians) out of Uganda. That is, when he was not openly indulging in his cannibalistic habit of gorging on human headskins and raw brains which he had declared to be his favourite food!

Proof? They posed for a photo. :-)

In 1968, Amin was a Chief of Staff and had not yet seized power. He met Sathya Sai baba and posed for a photo along with two (or more) of his wives.

I need to find that book with the picture in it, just so I can scan it and put it on my blog. :-) It's not looking good, ya know! :-)

/m455: Ha ha ha ha, I can't believe this. Lisa De Witt is actually questioning my sources in message /m451! LOL this is gonna be easy since it is already typed out on my blog.

Here is the reference for Sai Baba's authorising Kasturi:

"He placed his hand on my shoulder. He stood facing me. I could see my image in those eyes. 'Have the wedding at Puttaparthi. Come and tell me whatever you need. And.... after retiring from the University, stay with me. You can write my Jiva Charithra, Biography,' He said. 'Me?' I ejaculated.
"'Yes I shall tell you whom to consult for details - parents, brothers, kinsmen, neighbours, teachers etc. I shall also help.'" - Loving God, p. 89. (Kasturi's own autobiography)

Here is the reference where Sai Baba stated in public that there was no scorpion bite:

"You might have heard some people say that I became Sai Baba when a scorpion stung me! Well, I challenge any one of you to get stung by scorpions and transform yourself into Sai Baba. No, the scorpion had nothing to do with it! In fact, there was no scorpion at all!" - 23 February 1958

And here is Kasturi dozily referring to the scorpion bite in the first volume of Sathyam Sivam Sundaram, published a mere two years later:

"On March 8th, 1940, the whole town was shocked to hear that a big black scorpion had stung Sathya. There is a belief current in Uravakonda and the surrounding country that no one will survive a snakebite or scorpion sting in the place, because of the many-hooded serpent stone that has given the name to the place. The rock looks as if a serpent has raised its head to strike its poison fangs and hence, the dread superstition has gained currency. It was about seven o'clock, at dusk, and Sathya leaped with a shriek, holding the right toe!"

Lol.

Lisa, stop trying to change the subject when you have run out of arguments or coherent points to make. Whenever you have a lack of argument, you inevitably start with the ad-hominem attacks and personal below-the-belt stuff like the uncivilised person you are. Your sordid history is well known. And by the way, stop talking about "stalking women" etc when you have no proof to support that claim. And before you go off into a frenzy quoting Homoreno, he ha sno proof to support his claims either. Not that it is relevant to Sai Baba but it doesn't harm to distract the discussion, does it? :-)

Why are you sticking your nose into my business, what does it matter to you if I have a girlfriend or a wife or whatnot? Concentrate on your own love life and dildo games with your lesbian partner and keep your nose out of mine, thanks. Yes, we know that you are a lesbian.

I already stated that the source of my claim is Howard Levin himself. Clearly you have reading problems or you just didn't pick up on it. Got a problem? Talk to Levin. He should know what he's talking about, he wrote it all down in one of those annoying things called 'books'. :-) Of course I could provide you with direct quotes but hey, I'm in a lazy mood tonight.

You are obviously dumb when you are not braindead. Sai Baba is a public figure who has publicly advertised himself as an incarnation of God, the saviour of the world, gonna sort out all the problems, etc etc etc. Consequently he is going to be the object of attention which will be positive and negative. He is the founder of a New Religious Movement (NRM) and that is why he gets attention. Get that fact into your brain and then come back when you have something interesting to say. Check under your pillow before you go to sleep tonight, honey...

/m451

Sanjay, since you post no references regarding your claims, one can only assume you are twisting the truth as usual and have something to hide.
Anyone who knows how you operate knows they cannot trust anything you say.
If you want to nitpick and be a drama queen, join the circus where you belong.

Sanjay why are you such a busybody sticking your nose into everyone's business? Because you don't have a life of your own and cannot get a girlfriend? Save the phony "I care for my fellow man" tosh for someone who doesn't know what a sleazy pervert you are. Stalking women and posting sleaze about them (like "They want it" and other more x-rated and disgusting trash) on a blog is NOT a humanitarian project. Stalking Sai Baba and other humans is NOT a humanitarian project.

You are obviously so desperate and bored with your own dysfunctional life you have gone on another childish nitpicking campaign.

Thankfully I saw the light and I was rescued from the ocean of muck that I was in as a Sai devotee. And because I care about my fellow men, I try to do the same to current devotees and extend them a hand so that they can raise themselves out of said mucky ocean. Unfortunately the vast majority of them are ungrateful tosspots who spit in return.

I don't care about Filipino healers, ha ha ha, what is this? Conman Convention? Sai Baba has no recognised medical qualifications to perform any kind of medical treatment or "purificatory treatment" on mouths, anuses and genitals. Especially when his "patients" (like our own favourite Morono) testify that they have no clue what he is doing. Think about it, this old faggot feels you up and you let him do it? What drugs are you on?

And you are wrong again about Sharada Devi. She wanted to leave the ashram to see her husband and aksed Raju's permission to do so. Instead of "lovingly" and "sweetly" giving her the permission, he proceeded to 'bark' at her, telling her that her husband was a dog with seven girlfriends and that she should be the eighth. Needless to say, she wept her eyes out at this rough treatment.

Ah yes, and let's not forget that Raju "lovingly" wondered why she wasn't dead yet. Such loving compassion and grace from the living avatar! It's unbelievable! We are fortunate to witness these bountiful acts of grace and expose them on our blogs! :-)

Edited by author 10-20-2007 08:00 AM
/m450, /m446

I guess Sanjay forgets he was one of those devotees who makes stupid statements yet accuses others of doing the same while he STILL hypocritically engages in the same stupidity. Funny that he is too blind too see this.

I did NOT contradict myself you buffoon. Read it AGAIN. I said I do NOT believe Sai Baba does oilings on ANYONE UNDER 18. Why are you so dense?

So, Phillipine psychic healers don't hold medical degrees and they do healings. If India has no laws against it, which it appears they don't you are blowing hot air as usual.

Sharada Devi left her husband after her children died and he swindled her out of her money. She was not with Sathya Sai Baba at the time.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:10 PM
Dear Braindead Dumbloons, :-)

In 1948, Puttaparthi Raju fully authorised Narayana Kasturi to write his biography. Raju specifically granted Kasturi exclusive access to himself, his parents, friends, kinsfolk, villagers and so on to garner material. Kasturi published the first volume of 'Sathyam Sivam Sundaram' in 1960, a full twelve years after the project was inaugurated.

Kasturi would doubtless have heard about the "scorpion bite" incident and may well have been exposed to the peoples' theories and speculations about how the scorpion bite caused Raju to become "Sai Baba".

Not to worry! In a public discourse in 1958, Raju confirmed that there was no scorpion at all, and even challenged people to be bitten by scorpions and become Sai Babas of their own.

That should clear up everything, right?

WRONG!

Two years later in 1960, Kasturi published the book that continues to mislead people into thinking that Puttaparthi Raju was bitten by a scorpion on the night of 4th March 1943, not 8th March 1940 as Kasturi couldn't even get his facts right on that one either. Sai Baba told his own sister that he was bitten by a socrpion, who wrote it down in her own diary.

Think about that one before you go to sleep tonight, dumbloons. :-) And check under your pillow for scorpions and spiders and snakes. We wouldn't want to start off another serpentine rumour, would we? ;-)

[Edit: See /m457 for references.]

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:44 PM
Re /m448: "There is absolutely NO proof the genital oilings are what you are babbling about."

We know that already, dumbloon. It is the pseudo-intellectual "devotees" on your side who are peddling the lies about genital oilings/fondlings as being some kind of "purification" or other. Don't even bother trying to deny this, this is documented everywhere and is not based on rumours and hearsay, unbelievable liar.

"Like I said before ADULTS KNOW the difference between love, or healing and SEXUAL assault dumbo. Even a CHILD can understand the difference so these must be some VERY dumb men. If you can't understand the difference you need a lot of help. The FACT that these ADULTS are making claims DECADES later suddenly claiming they realized they were "molested" is extremely suspicious."

Like I said before, it is the least of our problems whether Sai Baba is indulging in a "loving" act or a "sexually abusive" act. The fact remains that he does not hold any medical or any other type of qualifications that endow him with the right to perform any of these treatments. The simple fact that his victims (sorry, patients cough cough) invariably do not even know what he is doing is proof enough that they have little or no control over the situation.

"I believe the FACTS reveal that Baba does not EVER do oilings on anyone under 18 and that when he does do an oiling it is below the navel and ABOVE the pubic area."

You are not in possession of any facts. What do you know about Sai Baba and his interviewees? Have you been present at every single interview or every single oiling? No you haven't. You have never had an interview so you are not in the possession of any "facts". Keep your opinions to yourself.

Secondly, you similarly do not know for sure if the oilings take place between the navel and the pubis. Many people have experienced this, devotees and non-devotees alike. Do you even know that Arthur Hillcoat was allegedly healed of his hernia by the application of oil on his genitals by Sai Baba? It does not matter if he is under or over 18, the fact is that your guru is a faggot and fondles genitals.

You contradicted yourself in the same sentence you braindead dork. In the same sentence you vehemently claim that he does not do oilings and that if he does, it takes place between the navel and the pubis. Make up your mind, lunatic, does he oil/fondle genitals or NOT? Or the men in white coats are coming after you. :-)

"Many healers, including ME use oil which may be placed anywhere from the stomach to the head. Massage therapists also massage every part of the body. It's perverts like you who try to make it something it isn't."

You are not a healer, you are a liar. And it's brainwashed perverts like you who glorify oral sex, anal sex and genital fondlings/oilings as some sort of "divine act" that effects "purification" in the recipient. Who cares what massage therapists do? Is Sai Baba a massage therapist now? What business does Sai Baba have touching private and intimate places of young males?

And above all,

how come females do not get the oil treatment? :-)

Joe Homoreno squealed thus:

"Sanjay recently wrote no less than 5 blogged articles about Shirdi Sai Baba and Sathya Sai Baba and poorly attempted to make the argument against the latter being an alleged reincarnation of the former. In my next blogged article, I will highlight these discrepancies and the low standards that Sanjay erroneously uses and abuses to promote his smear campaigns with."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Go ahead Lipstick Boy, try and astound us all with your scandalous exposure of my "poor" research, lol.

Judging by Homoreno's own comment, even he is unsure if Puttaparthi Raju is the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba, lol ("the latter being an alleged reincarnation of the former"). I am not expecting any serious refutation from the likes of Homoreno's proven intellectual dishonesty and pseudo-intellectualism, there's no way he or anybody else can get past the fact that the "transition" took place in 1943 and not 1940, lol! Nor can he get past the fact that, despite the lie, worship of Shirdi Sai Baba was prevalent in Puttaparthi and that Raju himself used to attend these bhajans, his own uncles being devotees. LOL. Nope, I'm not expecting any serious "refutation" but I'll be interested in Homoreno's speculations and pseudo-intellectual mental gymnastics for a laugh! :-)

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:29 PM
/m447

There is absolutely NO proof the genital oilings are what you are babbling about. All of your claims are based on hearsay and rumor. Like I said before ADULTS KNOW the difference between love, or healing and SEXUAL assault dumbo. Even a CHILD can understand the difference so these must be some VERY dumb men. If you can't understand the difference you need a lot of help. The FACT that these ADULTS are making claims DECADES later suddenly claiming they realized they were "molested" is extremely suspicious.

I believe the FACTS reveal that Baba does not EVER do oilings on anyone under 18 and that when he does do an oiling it is below the navel and ABOVE the pubic area. Many healers, including ME use oil which may be placed anywhere from the stomach to the head. Massage therapists also massage every part of the body. It's perverts like you who try to make it something it isn't.

And anyone who knows how you bozos operate KNOWS you take the most innocent action and twist it with your perversion. In every accusation I have looked into I have seen how you liars warp the truth.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:22 PM
And Howard Levin says that he enjoyed his experiences so much that if he had a choice between liberation and watching Raju abuse an old woman, he'd choose the latter.

These Sai devotees are all a bunch of mentally sick homosexuals who worship a faggot "god". They'd excuse any behaviour. Just like Isaac Tigrett in the BBC documentary, he clearly stated that even if Sai Baba was guilty of murder it would not change his faith even a bit.

You braindead zombies ought to be incarcerated, all of you. At the very least, the men in white coats are coming with the straitjackets.

Did Lisa De Witt try to spam this board with an article about Pedda Bottu Sarada Devi, the lady who was allegedly with Shirdi Sai Baba when he was alive? Yes she did. :-)

Shall I tell you a couple of things? Yes I will. :-)

(Sathya) Sai Baba was notorious for mentally and emotionally abusing her until she became near to a gibbering wreck. One day he threatened to throw her out of the ashram, telling her: "your husband has become a dog, he has seven girlfriends. Go there, be Number Eight!"

Is this the kind of loving and compassionate kind treatment that comes from someone with the "love of a thousand mothers" as he alleges? Pedda Bottu (aka "Shirdi Ma") was a rather aged lady (who died in 1987 so I hear) at the time as can be expected from her alleged association with Shirdi Sai Baba.

One day Shirdi Ma came up to Puttaparthi Raju and he looked at her and exclaimed, "what? Not dead yet?"

And this passes for "Sai Humour"? I say these things, because Sai Baba reportedly thought that this behaviour was the funniest thing on the planet and didn't seem at all concerned about reducing her to tears. Nobody else thought that wishing death on an old lady was very funny either, because a female Western devotee who observed this episode was visibly upset at Raju's conduct. When Raju noticed this, he realised that he had been behaving badly, and so he calmly walked to the female devotee and "materialised" a piece of cake for her, a bribe to shut her up.

So this is what Puttaparthi Raju is like, he treats his devotees like crap and calls them dogs. He takes great delight in insinuating that old women should participate in bestiality (!!!) and is also waiting for them to die.

The source of these stories? Howard Levin. :-)

Re: /m430:

"And since WHEN does Hinduism teach MEN to purify themselves by having sex with God, dumbo? Since WHEN did Arjuna have sex with Krishna to purify himself? You are standing on VERY shaking ground, ignoramus."

Tell this to the leaders in the Sai Organisation, Michael Goldstein, Thorbjorn Meyer, Steen Picullel, Ashok Bhagani and many more. They are the fools who stupidly try to explain Sai Baba's homosexual paedophilia activities of oral sex, anal sex and genital fondlings with oil as some kind of "Kundalini purification" and whatnot.

Yep, ask them the same questions and let us know where they think Hinduism advises all of this stuff. I'll be extremely interested to hear what pseudo-intellectual non-Hindus have to say.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 06:57 PM
/m441

I could care less whether you believe I was molested or not. You are missing the point (as usual) which also tells me again you are most likely lying. A molestation victim KNOWS what it is like to be molested and HOW a victim reacts. I have lived the experience and have the emotional frame of reference that comes from that experience. I do not feel that you exhibit the behaviors of an ADULT person who has been molested. I also do not feel an ADULT at 19 would react the way you claim to have reacted. I do not believe that you were brainwashed as I do not believe you EVER believed Sai Baba was God and therefore I do not believe you had sex with Baba because you "believed he was God."


Besides that, brainwashing is something you would have to prove in court and your claim is very suspicious and does not match most other peoples experience. Since no one else has had the experience you claim, it may be that you have some form of mental illness and/or alcohol/drug addiction as do so many of the anti-Sais. This is why your allegations should be addressed in court and not on the internet. You have ZERO credibility hiding on the internet. Why you think anyone should believe you is beyond me.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 06:34 PM
/m438

usedbybaba wrote:

"I have received materializations."

Sounds like another one of your contradictions.
Besides that there are MANY MANY people who receive materializations at a distance which cannot be faked. I personally have tested Baba's omnipresence from a distance, as have many others, and he fulfilled my request and passed my long distance test. Tough luck for you.


And why do you keep telling people not to ask you any questions? Are you a control freak or just afraid to tell the truth because it would compromise your position?

Like I said, we don't OWE you ANYTHING (especially someone who hides and will not answer questions without playing continuous mind games). Funny that you think we owe you something. If you have a complaint, file it with the proper authorities.

Your accusations are so choppy and rambling it's getting ridiculous. It is also VERY suspicious the way you are trying to control everything. I seriously doubt you will ever sit down and write out your accusations in a cohesive and intelligent manner (so they can be analyzed) because either :

A. you are not smart enough (strange that you claim to be college educated) or are too lazy to do so.
  
or

B. You know that doing so will reveal even more clearly that you are a liar.

I already feel that I have enough info to conclude you are a liar so it really doesn't matter to me what you do.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 04:38 PM
"HERE IS SOME MORE HELP ANGEL
IF YOU ARE AS SINCERE AS YOU TRY TO SHOW TO BE, ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT I RAISED:
AND THAT WAS TO YOU

Just answer these
1. When baba made me do the blow job. i was confused and slowly understood that he was a homo.For that matter he did not want me to write to him as Sai Mother.
____________

ok.

2.Will you allow it to happen to you or your kith and kin
_____________
no.

3.All the names mentioned in ex.baba .com of the student victims are 100% true
4.i lived with these guys.Nithyanand menon was a malayalee warden
   Radhakrishnanan who died on the june 6th incident had a brother calle ravishankar and they are from ooty.
5.Diwakar muthukrishna the person who molested small boys is now married to
   radhakrishna's sister and he is the adopted on of Dr.Kamla.his parents are from srilanka and australia (one from each country.
_______________
ok.


6.with so much you still want to believe that iam a lier.
_______________
i'm saying you could be just about anyone.I have no idea,but thanx for sharing your traumatic experince ,perhaps it'll help some people.


7.Who else you want to know about.
8.What about Aswath narayana the jeweller from Anantapur.

________________
okaaaaaaaay.


 
The fact is I have gone through these experiences and none of you have including thse from ex.baba
Let us not be blind to the facts.
tell me u have not answered my first question
why is babas date of birth wrong in his school records.
_____________________

i have no idea.

_______________________

i don't think you will give me any logical answer, afterall iam not your brother.
go close topeople who have sufferd and then talk.
Atleast iam able to mail people.
Hundreds have suffered because of his sexual exploits and nobody who has not experienced it can ever ever deny it.
The pain i went through when i read some articles, irememberd my suffering.
Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible. i was trying to justify it for a long time. but my consience did not permit it.
Hey i recently met a jeweller who told me tha a close devotee of baba bought a lot of jewels from his shop a few years back before going to parthi
____________________

"believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN (no offence meant towards other nationals)."



"Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible"
______________________



I can see that you're intelligent,you're really smart and stuff .


anywayyyyyy,why did you MR.("believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN" )as an adult give sb a blow job?

if it was horrible and you are intelligent as you say,why then ,after that first nauseating as you say ,horrible experience,of giving a blow job to an old man at the time you were an adult,why did you return and gave that kinda old man a "blow job" few more times,why did you MR.("1000 times more intelligent") do it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN?
and if it was so horrible and nauseating,why did you touch his thing for "many more times" also?

Edited by author 10-13-2006 02:51 PM
"The burden of proof is on you."
Do i show every one my rape marks or something.

What is the proof that you are a molestation victim.you keep bragging about this molestation thing as though it is an olympic Gold medal that you need to be proud of.How do I know that you are a woman? Send us a Photograph and ID card.As far as we are concerned ,the guy you accuse of molesting you is a great soul and he has proved it by not abusing you in this forum.You and your friends seem to want to be the center of attention with all your sordid, unprovable ramblings, victim baby.
I AM USING YOUR LOGIC AND IT IS WORKING OUT GREAT.If you think you are smart,believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN (no offence meant towards other nationals).

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:27 AM
HERE IS SOME MORE HELP ANGEL
IF YOU ARE AS SINCERE AS YOU TRY TO SHOW TO BE, ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT I RAISED:
AND THAT WAS TO YOU

Just answer these
1. When baba made me do the blow job. i was confused and slowly understood that he was a homo.For that matter he did not want me to write to him as Sai Mother.
2.Will you allow it to happen to you or your kith and kin
3.All the names mentioned in ex.baba .com of the student victims are 100% true
4.i lived with these guys.Nithyanand menon was a malayalee warden
   Radhakrishnanan who died on the june 6th incident had a brother calle ravishankar and they are from ooty.
5.Diwakar muthukrishna the person who molested small boys is now married to
   radhakrishna's sister and he is the adopted on of Dr.Kamla.his parents are from srilanka and australia (one from each country.
6.with so much you still want to believe that iam a lier.
7.Who else you want to know about.
8.What about Aswath narayana the jeweller from Anantapur.
 
The fact is I have gone through these experiences and none of you have including thse from ex.baba
Let us not be blind to the facts.
tell me u have not answered my first question
why is babas date of birth wrong in his school records.
i don't think you will give me any logical answer, afterall iam not your brother.
go close topeople who have sufferd and then talk.
Atleast iam able to mail people.
Hundreds have suffered because of his sexual exploits and nobody who has not experienced it can ever ever deny it.
The pain i went through when i read some articles, irememberd my suffering.
Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible. i was trying to justify it for a long time. but my consience did not permit it.
Hey i recently met a jeweller who told me tha a close devotee of baba bought a lot of jewels from his shop a few years back before going to parthi

i called baba lallu panju and so did "om sai" but i did not call her names. i was sarcastic , yes,
but do you see lisas language ,Dear angel, NOOOOOOO NEVER.
you did not answer my question to you.why are you obssesed with this forum for someone who has never seen baba.????

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:10 AM
I was waiting for you to pst from my old writing.because Lisa was overwhelmed by my asking her to talk without abusing, you come in the nick of time to the rescue.wel done.
now they know what to write .
If you cannot talk directly.you will make Lisa abuse and when she is in trouble you will come to the rescue.GREAT.
but the only handicap is that we understand your game Angel.
Lisa and others would provoke people and you will act as a moderator and seemingly a genuine one at that.You will quote from what I wrote long back. can you quote from the new ones where I do not abuse,No,Tha is not your job. See what word you ended up in -- Pervert( iam not calling you that ,but just quoting).They will pick up the from there. The joke is some time back you told me that you never called me pervert.
All this won't help. Now you will give me one liner to cool me and then ask me What is your Age ? your period of stay in Parthi etc.,
I am sorry you are part of the group to disrupt the discussions on baba.
WHY DON'T YOU COPY THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED IN THE BEGINNING EVEN BEFORE I WAS PUSHED TO ABUSE YOUR FRIEND lISA.MAY BE I CAN HELP YOU.
HERE IS WHAT I TOLD ABOUT BABA AND MORE.IT IS CALLED DELIBERSTE AMNESIA.
WELL TAKE MY HELP AND ATLEAST NOW DISCUSS BABA.THOUGH THE DIVNE LISA HAVE DIVERTD THE TOPIC.I DO SUSPECT THAT THERE ARE A FEW WHO ARE BEING PAID TO DIVERT THE ATTENTION AND I HOPE YOU ARE NOT PART OF THAT

  how can god come in human form and rape children and women.
> I do not believe so much in avatars/incarinatio ns.
> to answer some of ur questions
> 1.Baba does not molest every student.one of my relatives who was
there for a long time did not know it untill i told him.
> 2.His materialisations are fake.See ex baba.com
> 3.He very carefully chooses his victims
> 4.those who do not co operate are shunted out on some pretext or
the other or just because baba wanted the person out he would be sent out.
> 5. In a few cases they are murdered
> 6.i came to know that people used to hang from trees to death in
early 60s and 50s. This was told to me by a former lecturer who was
devotee from childhood and he is around 50yrs old now and is not in
babas fold
> 7.Yes boys were made to become Homosexuals because of baba
> but hostels are generally places for gays
> 8. what else. He makes boys suck his cock, kisses them hugs them
some even told me that he sucked theirs and entered from behind
> 9.when all the wardens know of this who dares question him
> 10.for your information most of the wardens are themselves one
time victims who refuse to see anything wrong in his actions. even i
did it for sometime but when i could not take it anymore i carefully
escaped
> 11. i am not scared of telling my name but if i do that my social
life and career will be affected
> 12.well sai baba molested even his sister's grandson and that
idiot was proud about it.
> 13. there was a time when this grandson told us that baba was
drooling for a lady in the crowd and this guy noticed it
> 14. Afterall they are all bascically people of the lower class who
lived as bards prising the local landlords ( they claim that they were
bards for kings). They are called potha rajus
> 15. Babas brother janakiramiah' s son ratnakar molested a girl when
he was in 10 th std and the villagers and the girls relatives wanted
to kill him. BaBa sent this guy to bangalore for a long period with
Col.Joga rao as escort
> 16. I HAVE RECEIVED MATERIALISATIONS please no more questions
about me.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 06:58 AM
--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
> ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth.
> You don't have to tell them about the other similar discussions that
> you had with joe 108.His wife may not like it.you are a very naughty
> girl.
--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
>
> who is premanand?
> by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole.
> you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this
> Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA.I can write worse than this and i am capable of doing more, u shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth.Maybe you eat through your bottom.
> You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying. You bi''**h
> Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine.
> tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth.
> If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I remember people for life and don't take me for granted.
> BAS****D
--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
>
> sob sob sob sob sob.If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you. Go and taste baba's linga . or rathnakar maybe.it is free .They told me he is divorced.Is it true? if it is true you can get married to him. try him he is only in his thirties unlike BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know .maybe he will adjust it when he knows he is going to die to suit the stories that he told.
>
> by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the third leg. we know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy.

"Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do...I am smiling. blah blah blah LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "

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OMG @ this PERVERTED MESS.

Okay,Lessons from the Devi Abusaanandamayi.By the way, call your man a bozo and then find out whether he will beat you or not.You sit somewhere in a corner and abuse people.Try doing it in front of people.YOU ARE SHIVERING AT THE THOUGHT OF BEING BEATEN UP,THOU I NEVER TOLD YOU I AM GOING TO DO SO,AND WHINING SO MUCH.BUT YOU WANT ME TO EXPOSE MYSELF BY GIVING MY NAME AND OTHER DETAILS,.HOW CONVENIENT.LOOK AT YOUR MAILS AND ANSWER IF YOU ARE A NORMAL WOMAN. You call everyone names and when i call you to come to India you run with your tail between your legs.If you are so sure of the Legal system here, why are you chikening out. Come here I will show you how the legal system works here.
In every mail you call me and Sanjay names, though our mails will not be about you.ANSWER ME.WHY DO YOU ABUSE WHEN WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT YOU.And your chicken friends immediately support you.That is why I say YOU ARE ALL PAID AND PAID WELL.
"Does it make you feel like a 'man' " Well there are other ways to prove that i am a man.BaBa knows how ? learn from him.

And regarding your continual threats usedbybaba. Does it make you feel like a 'man' to threaten a woman? Is beating up on women what floats your boat?
Maybe you should ask yourself just why you are so moved to violence when someone tells you the truth about your childish, perverted and abusive behavior. My guess is you already have a criminal history if you are so easily moved to violence. No 19 yo would react the way you claim to regarding having a sexual pass made at you. As a molestation victim I KNOW this for a FACT.

Do you always throw such childish temper tantrums when you don't get your way?

Edited by author 10-13-2006 05:25 AM
/m423, /m432

See what I mean about the subconscious sleaze that continually pours out of usedbybaba et al's pores? Look in the mirror again usedbybaba. You are a testament to ignorance at its finest.

You seem to be obsessed with your own homosexuality used buddy. Maybe Sanjay can help you.

You and Sanjay seem to want to be the center of attention with all your sordid, unprovable ramblings, used buddy. So we are focusing on your accusations and your accompanying mind games as the two seem to be forever intertwined.

Whatever I and others have experienced with Sai Baba is only held up to be ridiculed by you and your ilk, so why should you expect anything different in return bozo the clown? Look in the MIRROR!!!

Like I said before, Baba has proven himself to me and you have proven only that you hide and play mind games. You have proven NOTHING. Can you count? ZERO. ZILCH. NADA! Your accusations are unbelievable and sound VERY stupid to me. The burden of proof is on you. Nobody has to believe your accusations. You are living in lala land if you think you can guilt trip people into believing you. There are millions of liars in the world and from what I can see you are one of them.

I have been working with people for over twenty five years and I am VERY good at reading people. If you think I am going to trust your judgement over mine you are sorely mistaken.

End of story.

Are you paid for everything that you do to baba I mean EVERYTHING.
Is it a Homo based business.sorry,I mean home based business???

Edited by author 10-13-2006 02:37 AM
Lisa my divine friend, Did i tell you how many interviews i got i when i did the blow job and when i converted into anti sai.You are so obsessed with this blow job and maybe you have done it to baba and reminding you of it is making you so angry.YOU HAVE PROVED BY YOUR OBSSESIVE RAMBLINGS THAT YOU "ARE BEING PAID" - Like the ones who enjoy baba's homosexual pervertions.
your thinking and language is so low class that only **** comes out of your mouth.
If you have guts, come to india and let us meet. Then find out what an ordinary citizen like me can do to you. Imagine your powerful HOMO the great.

Dear anti sai's Imagine if Lisa was a Politician in India.Do you think she and her ilk would have left me alive.There are many parasites disguised as human beings and BaBa is their Leader and they will do anything for their
BOSS. After all money is more important than human lives(for these creatures)

Yes, now I am Lisa,Joe 108, Co2000,Sanjay and everyone else in this forum.
Now that it is proved that I am writing in all these names the real Lisa can get out.

LISA wrote "You are very deluded if you think you are fooling anyone who actually has a working brain." O.K Are you saying I fooled only you??

LISA:” you think you are VERY funny" - so you laughed at my jokes on baba.Carefull he might not like it.

LISA:” Like I said before, if accusations were true, Baba REALLY knows how to pick the dummies like you out of the crowd.” Well you are right we were dummies then but you continue to be one.

Lisa "Anybody else notice how the anti-Sais ALWAYS manage to turn the board into a idiot session full of their OWN subconcious sexual sleaze? Just listen to the garbage coming out of usedbybaba and you'll see what I mean."

Now, when sanjay does not talk of Baba's sexual exploits why do you call him names. Is it not you and your conniving friends who turn the board into an idiot session, by talking about us instead of baba.The more you abuse the more you prove that you are being paid to disrupt this forum

Edited by author 03-02-2008 12:08 AM
/m429

Look in the mirror at your own perverted drivel, bozo the clown, aka usedbybaba.


Funny that you can't see how you constantly contradict yourself usedbybaba. So how is giving Baba a blow job (as you claim you did at 19 yo) not sexual you dork? Sounds to me like you are trying to talk yourself out of the hole you just dug. And since WHEN does Hinduism teach MEN to purify themselves by having sex with God, dumbo? Since WHEN did Arjuna have sex with Krishna to purify himself? You are standing on VERY shaking ground, ignoramus. Funny that you think your story is even believable. I got knews for you. IT ISN'T!!! You sound like a paranoid schizophrenic rambling about how everyone conspired to get you to have sex with Baba. Pathetic! Get some help before you drown in your booze or whatever drug has turned you into such an attention-seeking wacko!


And remember whiner (hard to believe you are 40ish), you are just an anonymous entity who cannot even prove he has done anything except babble and play mind games like an idiot on the internet. I don't know any 19 yo men who are so dumb (yet claim to be college material) as to think having sex with God is going to purify them (roll eyes...geez). Get REAL...lol!

The ONLY thing you got right is in an earlier post you claimed you are a "staunch Hindu" bordering on fanaticism." Only a fanatic would claim that having sex with God would "purify" him. LOL

Edited by author 10-13-2006 12:28 AM
"You still haven't explained why you think God NEEDS a blow job "
Because like you I refused to see the truth.That lalu panju told me that he is doing something divine and not having sex. He wanted me to change the belief that i was offering my lust to the Divine.Before I understood what he was doing,I was confused and indirectly refused to co-operate,like,by hiding from him during Dharshan.He would choose some new Chick (victim student) or a collaborater.But he would unleash his Administration Dogs like the warden, Registrar,on those of us who refuse to be converted into a Homo victim.
This is India,the law takes its own course,according to the police and the influential.

Lisa,Read your own writing below.Except for one line which i have marked,the whole paragraph is nothing but abuses without any reason.
Calm Down. Try to make some sense.You called me names even after i told you and angel that om sai is not me.Now that you know he is from malaysia,you are looking for something else to spew venom. If you continue this ,you will prove that you are being paid by someone for disrupting this forum and proving sanjay who said:
"I'm glad to see that when Lisa De Witt runs out of arguments or any coherent points to make, Hey Sanjay the mega-hypocrite and drunk, WHEN are you going to"
give apoint to point reply instead of incoherently calling people names.
To repeat, LOOK AT YOUR MESSAGE BELOW:


"follow your own dictates dumbo? You go around acting like a
gangster and yet expect everyone else to play nice because you
are such a whiney, sleazy, childish wimp who wants to be free to
beat up on everyone. You are just like your new lover,
usedbybaba. Look in the mirror, dorkbrain. Like I said before if
you are going to be abusive you are going to get what's coming
to you FULL barrel. Got it bozo? Maybe if you weren't so
self-centered and arrogant you might be able to see the forest
for the trees.

Your idiotic diatribes are so foolish (as are 99% of your posts)
they are not even worth replying to. First graders in India know
more than you do.

Why are there so many drunks like you and usedbybaba in your
group of perverted gropers?

"I could care less if Tharoor got the UN position"(The only sensible sentence in the whole mail). I thought
it was funny you immature bozos were having such a hissy fit
over it. Just shows how superficial you all are.

Edited by author 03-02-2008 12:10 AM
/m422

So far, the only thing we have established is that you are an alcoholic who likes to play
mindgames under the guise of different
usernames (blldexter, OM Sai, etc.). You are very deluded if you think you are fooling anyone who actually has a working brain.
 
You still haven't explained why you think God NEEDS a blow job and why you didn't say no when you were allegedly asked to do so. Explain to us how it is that you think having sex with God can purify you!
 
I know you think you are VERY funny but one way or another you are going to be held accountable for your accusations bozo the clown.
 
Like I said before, if accusations were true, Baba REALLY knows how to pick the dummies like you out of the crowd.
  
Anybody else notice how the anti-Sais ALWAYS manage to turn the board into a idiot session full of their OWN subconscious sexual sleaze? Just listen to the garbage coming out of usedbybaba and you'll see what I mean.

/m423

Hey Sanjay the mega-hypocrite and drunk, WHEN are you going to follow your own dictates dumbo? You go around acting like a gangster and yet expect everyone else to play nice because you are such a whiney, sleazy, childish wimp who wants to be free to beat up on everyone. You are just like your new lover, usedbybaba. Look in the mirror, dorkbrain. Like I said before if you are going to be abusive you are going to get what's coming to you FULL barrel. Got it bozo? Maybe if you weren't so self-centered and arrogant you might be able to see the forest for the trees.

Your idiotic diatribes are so foolish (as are 99% of your posts) they are not even worth replying to. First graders in India know more than you do.

Why are there so many drunks like you and usedbybaba in your group of perverted gropers?

BTW, I could care less if Tharoor got the UN position. I thought it was funny you immature bozos were having such a hissy fit over it. Just shows how superficial you all are.

Edited by author 10-12-2006 10:46 PM
Oh, by the way, your devotee brother Shashi Tharoor has lost his bid to attain the UN Secretary-General post. Read it and weep. We don't want no devotees of lallupanjus running the UN, thank you very much. :-)

[Edit: According to this, it was the United States of America that vetoed Shashi Tharoor for the job, ha ha ha ha ha ha. G Parthasarathy lets us know his opinion about that:

"Professional diplomats in South Block with years of experience of the UN had, from the very outset, warned that Tharoor's candidature was doomed to failure. The candidature was announced with no prior consultations with our permanent mission to the UN and without consultations with even a single permanent member of the UN Security Council."

Tharoor himself ran crying into the arms of Indian PM, Manmohan Singh while forgetting to inform people about his withdrawal.]

Usedbybaba, check this out for a good laugh. :-) The empire is crumbling, his lies are exposed. The Emperor has no clothes.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, oh my god, I completely laughed my ass off at "lallupanju" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, LOL!!

'Lallupanju' is slang in some Indian languages or dialects for 'homosexual' or 'gay'. 'Bhangi' is also slang and it's usage depends on the context. It generally stands for 'dirty person', 'vagrant', 'tramp', those sorts of things. Nothing to do with bhang, although I suppose you could also use it as a reference to bhang, lol.

And if that wasn't funny enough, we now have Joe "Homoreno", ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Homoreno, better select a nice handbag that matches with your lipstick before you go out! :-) Lol.

Re /m399: You have a cheek talking about echolalia when you are world-famous for repeating yourself like a broken record, you sick pervert. Oh, and because you are too thick to figure it out (no surprise there), the fact that the "materialisation" "discussion" has come to a "standstill" is because you have no explanation for them. Lol.

Re /m401: I'm glad to see that when Lisa De Witt runs out of arguments or any coherent points to make, she inevitably returns to ad-hominem attacks of the penis and genitalia-fascination variety ("dick-tater").

Foolish Lisa

barked the following:

"I guess Sanjay 'the great brain' thinks we should accept negatively biased sources over positively biased sources because he thinks in his deluded mind he is more objective...cough, cough. Hilarious."

This is proof that Foolish Lisa puts her foot in her mouth without even understanding the discussion. Mind telling me which of my sources are negatively biased against Sathya Sai Baba? All the sources I used were devotional ashram literature approved by Puttaparthi Raju himself with the exception of LIMF and Narasimha Swamiji's books. And even then Narasimhaswami didn't even speak about Puttaparthi Raju but only appeared to hint at him. Anybody with a brain can see how the "authorised" literature of Puttaparthi Raju is weak and self-contradictory, not to mention delusionary. Want objectivity? Don't read the books of Puttaparthi Raju. :-)

Face facts, Raju is dead. It only remains for us to twist the knife. :-) And twist the knife we will!

"This board is about SAI BABA and what THOSE directly connected to him (and who KNOW him) think, NOT about what a know-nothing narcissistic .. And you must keep forgetting this ISN'T YOUR message board, bozo. Go play on your own board, or can't you get anyone else to 'play' with your masochistic, mysogynistic, hateful self?"

A fine thing you're talking there, telling me that this board is about Sai Baba. Mind telling me where I have not spoken about Sai Baba? In case it escaped your schizophrenic brain, we have all along been discussing how Puttaparthi Raju Boy's lies about being the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai are bunkum.

I never said that this was my message board. However, I do say that you should conduct yourself in a manner that befits a public discussion board. You clearly don't know how to behave like an adult and you are acting as if you are in a sandpit. Several members (including myself) have already made it clear that you and Moreno's crap is not welcome here, especially when you haven't got a coherent argument to present in the first place. You braindead morons like to infect every board with your filthy disgusting stench, don't you? You like to ruin every place like you ruined sathyasaibaba2. Get lost already and stop wasting my time you brainwashed jerk. Suck a lemon. Your faggot guru is an inbred liar who has been exposed for his Shirdi Sai lies, you haven't got one thing to say in refutation. Deal with it and get lost.

Now imagine if baba was with normal sexual urge.he would have had Sons and duaghters all over the world.Ah, thus unifying the world.Then we would have had Indian BABAs,American BABAs,Chinese babas, Australian BABAs,European babas, African babas .Christian BAbas,Muslim babas,Hindu BAbaaaas, Jewish babas, buddhist babas, Sardarji babas and also hundreds of (Female) baabinees. All together producing more and more babas and babiniees.My God,He would have had the whole world in his hands.Then they will all sing "he's got the whole world in his hands..."
Now his devotees can sing "he's got pole world in his hands..."
N.B
Don't read it and say yuck, if you cannot see the truth. This is what happened to us. WE should call him Poleananda baba.The one who attained happiness by using poles.

Now we can laugh He He HE

My God Now I know why some guys used to laugh so much. There were atleast two malaysians who were students and we kept calling people lalupanju
without knowing the meaning (atleast i thought it was some film).
Usedbylalupanju

wow evry1 got excited by lallupanju name, i come from malaysia. saibaba screwed boys from here so he is lallupanju and pervert homosexual, and many of his devotees r homos too.

Edited by author 10-12-2006 11:16 AM
"Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do...I am smiling. blah blah blah LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "






























 






WTF?

I said i am.
I gave you an honest answer!

well avoided

I'm interested beacuseeee... i dunno...... simply.....I'AM
HEHE HAHAHA

Maybe this is the first time you did not ask why i did not answer your question on my age etc.,
i know you keep asking my age etc., and Lisa and all the others pick up from where you have left.Are you not hand in glove with these people.
Please tell me why are soo intrested in this baba thing when u are not a devotee or anti baba?

Edited by author 10-12-2006 09:35 AM
"word lallu panju was in vogue"??

*Strikes a Pose*

Look around everywhere you turn is oneness
It's everywhere that you go
All you need is your own imagination
So use it that's what it's for
Go inside, for your finest inspiration
Your dreams will open the door.

If the music's pumping it will give you new life
You're a superstar, yes, that's what you are, you know it!

Love's where you find it
Not just where you bump and grind it
Soul is in the musical
That's where I feel so beautiful
Magical, life's a ball
So get up on the dance floor!!

Edited by author 10-12-2006 08:47 AM
Hey Angel I know you are smart not to show your devotion to baba. and I know you are part of the Staunch Pro Sai group.Though you act very balanced.
The fact that I did not post was because I was busy.I was reading the mails.Even now it is only today that i am writing.
You should understand that omsai and me were in the same place for a long time (I know that only students use this word lallu panju)and we might have similar expressions. I am tickled pink when i read this word and i still do not remember the meaning.
My memeory tells me that this word was in vogue in parthi for nearly a month or so in the 80s.
I am answering you for you have been quite descent to me .It is not me -- this om sai.As i said earlier I hate to use this name and i will never never use a positive baba name.
now i am going to call myself usedbylalupanju
USEDBYBABA

as soon as i've seen Om Sai's post

" if u r attracted to sai baba who is a lallupanju and a bhangi "
posted by Om Sai

i assumed usedbybaba is back and what a coincidence, he really is

"Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do...I am smiling. blah blah blah LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "


HEHE AHAHA HEHE ,BLAH BLAH HE HE HAHAHA ,HAHAH ,YOU'RE ENJOYING THIS?????????

are you sure you're 40?

"Listening to an immature 40ish yo clown like you spout like a hatemonger and then rant about other people going to hell is very laughable considering the poison that constantly comes out of your face. So just where do you think a pervert like you will end up?"

WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT YOURSELF. DIVINE LISA. LOOK HOW YOU POUR VENOM.are you able to sleep well. oh! what hatred. May God bless you.
Don't waste your time on me.continue with your Divine ramblings.
I already told you that i do not reply to Joe108's messages and iam happy he is not disturbing me too. I will not call him names unless i am angry or something. I don't bother about him and he does not. THANK GOD
you continue your blah blah blah and sorry for interrupting.
I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "lalu panju"

Edited by author 01-23-2008 04:12 AM
That's the point bozo. WHY would an anti-Sai (who called joe, "homoreno") use the name Om Sai? You've used so many different names I'm surprised you can keep track of them all or maybe you have mulitple personality disorder.

Listening to an immature 40ish yo clown like you spout like a hatemonger and then rant about other people going to hell is very laughable considering the poison that constantly comes out of your face. So just where do you think a pervert like you will end up?

You're just mad because you can't get away with all your immature little mindgames here.

Keep babbling like an ignoramus. I don't understand a word you are saying so you must be drunk again.

You sure love your mind games, I'll give you that.

No hate here. I don't put up with abusers like you. No law says I have to. Get some counseling so you can grow up and learn to act like an adult.

LISA ya ya .blah, blah blah.I said i will be away for a few days. your hatred is skyrocketing. DID BABA NOT TELL YOU "LOVE ALL".
HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and cheat all and Service to his family is service to God.
Never mind what others say "Lisa the Divine". YOU GO AHEAD serve your master AND MAKE MONEY.
Forget about people who suffer because of baba.you are doing a great service to Humanity by protecting BABA the molester and murderer.
YOU DESERVE A PLACE IN HEAVEN,Hmmmm, BUT BABA WILL BE IN HELL AND YOU WILL MISS HIS SATANIC COMPANY.

I will NEVER CALL MYSELF "OM SAI".I HATE BABA TOO MUCH FOR USING SUCH A NAME.
Arey "om sai" you must be laughing. I can make out you don't like babs the red one. why don't you have a different name,like lallu panju,If you don't mind i would like to use this name lallu panju.Is it fine with you.You must have studied in parthi in the 80 s . I am really enjoying calling baba lallu panju. Is it a word used in any Hindi film? Om sai,Please reply. Bhang is something related to use of Bhang, is it not?
lallu panju is better
lallu panju, lallu panju lallu panju, lallu panju lallu panju, lallu panju

LOL..funny that you should show up usedbybaba, which only strengthens my suspicions. You told people you would be gone, remember? Besides that, we have all kinds of proof (in the form of matching IPs) you play mindgames by using different usernames to make it look like there are more of you than there are. Yours is the coward's way usedbybaba. You seem to be very amused by your own posts and mindgames usedbybaba. I'm glad you are because nobody with a brain is. Maybe you can go play with Sanjay on one of his blogs. You two make a PERFECT pair.

/m402

Beast Master (aka BM aka Telugu Veera), I can't help to wonder why you ceaselessly state that you only want to focus on the alleged manifestations on pictures when it has already been established (long ago on this thread) that there are no neutral, scientific, third party investigations into this alleged phenomena (although journalists have written about it and are convinced of its authenticity). This is a typical non sequitur argument. You have effectively brought this discussion to a standstill because your criteria have not been fulfilled. So why keep bringing it up over and over again?

Edited by author 10-11-2006 11:41 PM
Lisa,Are you so paranoid thinking of me.Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do.

hey, who is this? using the word" lallu panju".I have heard it parthi.but forgot the meaning. can you just please tell me the meaning? I heard this after a very very long time. I am smiling. LALUPANJU,he,he,he.



"So according to your reasoning Om Sai (most likely usedbybaba the the gameplayer who changes names like diapers), that means everyone attracted to Sanjay et al are homos (since Larsson et al are) and perverts who like jesus porn!"

/m404

So according to your reasoning Om Sai (most likely usedbybaba the the gameplayer who changes names like diapers), that means everyone attracted to Sanjay et al are homos (since Larsson et al are) and perverts who like jesus porn!

joe homoreno, i think that if u r attracted to sai baba who is a lallupanju and a bhangi this is proof.

According to one poster Erlender Haroldson didn't investigate Sai Baba himself under controlled conditions, is this true?

re /m400

Joe108,

I want to focus this discussion on material appearance on the picture frames. I would not address the questions that are irrelevant to the topic at hand.

- ash, honey vs vibhuti, amrit: Many things including these 4 are reported to be appearing on the picture frames (pls read the past posts on this thread). I picked the first 2 as examples. I did not equate ash to vibuti or honey to amrit. You totally missed the point. (if you care to know: in rural coastal AP ash made of cowdung is cosidered holy.) My point is to study the phenomena, not to equate or differentiate these items.

- theosophical explanations: I am open to read deep philosophical, spiritual discussion or explanation. Though I would be more interested in explanations with Hindu touch, I don't mind reading any other aspects as long as they contain philosophical discussion. But jumping to theosophical explanation skipping the first 2 parts, study of credibility and phenomenon is haste and blind in my humble opinion.

- Telugu Veera (aka BM)

Edited by author 10-11-2006 01:49 AM
Gee Sanjay (the dick-tater), can you PLEASE stop spamming this board with your idiotic diatribes(/m392)? This board is about SAI BABA and what THOSE directly connected to him (and who KNOW him) think, NOT about what a know-nothing narcissistic, obnoxious sex pervert like you (who is inebriated on alcohol most of the time) thinks.

I guess Sanjay "the great brain" thinks we should accept negatively biased sources over positively biased sources because he thinks in his deluded mind he is more objective...cough, cough. Hilarious. The drunk is lucky he can find his way to the bathroom without his mommy. What you are being assailed with right now is Sanjay the drunk. He's not much better when he is sober.

And you must keep forgetting this ISN'T YOUR message board, bozo.
Go play on your own board, or can't you get anyone else to "play" with your masochistic, mysogynistic, hateful self?

Edited by author 10-11-2006 01:23 AM
/m397

BeastMaster (BM), you did not answer any of my questions from my former post: /m351. Why not? After all you were the one who claimed, out of your own mouth, that the materialized vibuthi is "cow dung" and that amrita is "honey". Although you try to present yourself as neutral, when confronted with your bias, you cower behind innuendo and accuse me of taking off on a "tangent". First answer my questions about where you got your information from. If you did not get your information from neutral third parties (but just fabricated this information by yourself) just say so.

I already told you long ago that I am not aware of any official, neutral, third party investigations about these alleged materializations. What is amusing about your position is that you were willing to cite an unreliable account taken from an anonymous source on the exbaba site (/m248). Now, however, you are trying to give the impression that you will only settle for a scientific, neutral, official and third-party investigation. The standards you demand are inconsistent.

Also, you also did not answer my former question about which "theosophical explanations" you are willing to accept. Are there any you are willing to accept? If so, what are they? If not, why ask for them?

Sanjay, sounds you are like suffering from "broken-record syndrome" or echolalia :-)

Sanjay Dadlani Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-11-2006 12:45 AM
Awwwwwww, poor Mowenno can't answer the points, poor baby-waby. :-)

He knows jack about Shirdi. He knows jack about Shirdi literature. He knows jack about Puttaparthi history. He knows jack about Puttaparthi Raju's sordid Shirdi LIE. He does not know anything about these matters except from biased and slanted Sathya Sai sources which are incorrect and opportunistic. And all of this is proven.

Gerald 'Joe' Moreno EXPOSED /m269

Deal with that. :-)

J108,

The point of interest of my earlier post has been mysterious objects appearing on picture frames. Erlendur Haraldsson has not conducted any investigattion into it. Why bring his name here? I am specifically interested in the 3 aspect investigation as explained in my earlier posts. You have not offered any continuation to my view points.

Instead you went tangent with;

- EH reports on paranormal phenomena that excludes the point at hand.
- You incorrectly accuse me of claiming amrit as honey. You talk about Amrit and Vibhuti while I took an example of honey and ash out of many things that allegedly appear.

If there are no verification/investigation done on a)credibility of the claim b)study of the phenomena c)theological implication- so be it.

- Bm

Edited by author 10-10-2006 10:51 PM
As I have said many times before, there is no rationalizing with Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"), a confirmed psychopath, drunk, pervert, Jesus sex fetishist and pathological liar.

Sanjay Dadlani Fully Exposed: /m272

Well I'm glad that you finally admitted it, Morono. Now watch. :-)

Re /m384:

Looks like poor Gerald Moreno has started needlessly obsessing about Venkamma Raju (Puttaparthi fraudster's elder sister) and trying very hard (and desperately) to prove me wrong, utterly failing in doing so. Let's amuse ourselves with a couple of his spurious arguments:

"First Sanjay argued that Sathya Sai Baba was not bitten by a scorpion based on Baba's own words and tried to refute Baba's words by citing Venkamma ... Since Sanjay just conceded that Venkamma is a liar, then WHY is Sanjay citing her as an authority on what really happened to Baba? If Baba and Venkamma are liars, then where is Sanjay getting his accurate & truthful information from? According to Sanjay, none of these devotees and relatives are trustworthy. Therefore, all these citations are useless in revealing the truth because there are NO non-devotee biographies on Baba. Sanjay is clueless. Sanjay has no proof to support any of his conspiracy theories. It's all fluff, deception and imagination."

Unfortunately not. :-) Gerald Moreno is guilty of intellectual dishonesty. In /m373, I outlined a popular story regarding Venkamma and the Shirdi Sai picture:

One of Venkamma's favourite stories is how she repeatedly begged Raju to provide her with a picture of Shirdi Sai Baba, since Raju was guffing all the time about Shirdi Baba and apparently no one knew anything about Shirdi Baba (ha ha ha, cough cough!).

Now why would Venkamma beg Raju for a Shirdi picture when they were freely available in Puttaparthi? What to speak of the fact that not one, but two of her own uncles were devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba way before Raju went off on his acid trip? :-) And, oh yeah, please do remember that Raju (and why not Venkamma too?) was attending Shirdi bhajans regularly in the house of a villager who had been personally trained by Narasimha Swamiji, and who got the picture of Shirdi Baba from him? :-)

Conclusion: Evidence suggests that Venkamma Raju was a party to Raju's increasing pile of lies upon lies.

It's pretty clear where the lie is; these stories were created much later in order to give backing to the mythos of Raju's reincarnation claim. Funny how Gerald Moreno has no comment on the glaring inconsistency here: why should Venkamma beg for a picture when they were freely available in the village? Instead, a fanciful story is made up about how Raju was creeping around the house at night and woke Venkamma up, who then discovered a picture that Raju left behind! Awwwwwwww, such a sweet story that proves Raju's divinity, not! :-)

What Gerald Moreno cannot understand (or rather, cannot get into his thick head) is that since all of these people are dead (except for Raju the fraud), it is well nigh impossible to get at the truth and to interview all of them. What we are left with is a set of glaring contradictions and inconsistencies. I see no harm in highlighting all of these problems so that dumbloons like Moreno and De Witt can try and explain it all away, driving themselves up the wall in the process. :-)

You have to consider: why did "Sathya" Sai Baba tell his sister that he was bitten by a scorpion and then publicly deny years later? Why do all of the official biographies talk so much about a scorpion incident when there was no scorpion at all (according to Raju)? If there was no scorpion at all as Raju said in 1958, then why was it published in 'Sathyam Sivam Sundaram' in 1960??

[Text: "On March 8th, 1940, the whole town was shocked to hear that a big black scorpion had stung Sathya. There is a belief current in Uravakonda and the surrounding country that no one will survive a snakebite or scorpion sting in the place, because of the many-hooded serpent stone that has given the name to the place. The rock looks as if a serpent has raised its head to strike its poison fangs and hence, the dread superstition has gained currency. It was about seven o'clock, at dusk, and Sathya leaped with a shriek, holding the right toe!"]

Gerald Moreno is clueless. There is no use in asking for his opinion on these matters because he doesn't know. All he can do is avoid the issues, make ad-hominem attacks and twist himself into a conundrum.

He knows jack about Shirdi. He knows jack about Shirdi literature. He knows jack about Puttaparthi history. He knows jack about Puttaparthi Raju's sordid Shirdi LIE. He does not know anything about these matters except from biased and slanted Sathya Sai sources which are incorrect and opportunisitic. And all of this is proven.

Deal with that. :-)

Another Lie from Lisa De Witt

In /m389, Lisa De Witt stated the following:

"According to Narasimha's biography, Narasimha did not even know about Shirdi Sai Baba until 1936 Sanjay! It also states in his biography that VERY few people knew about Shirdi in the late 1930s. Even then, Narasimha had language barriers to deal with because he spoke only a little Marathi. So, unless one spoke Marathi, one was very unlikey to have heard about Shirdi Sai Baba at that time."

She was apparently influenced by this article. What a pity she didn't read any further:

"Sri B.V. Narasimha Swamiji felt, how important it was to spread the spiritual life and message of Baba throughout our country. So, he looked for the biography on Baba. He got Dasganu Maharaja's 'Sai Leelamrit' in Marathi, 'Glimpses of Spirituality' by Raobahadur M.W. Pradhan and also 'Sai Satcharita' in verse in Marathi, written by Annasaheb Dabholkar. His first publication 'Who is Sai Baba' was released in 1939. His next work 'Wondrous Saint' has been translated into Telugu, Hindi, Bengali and Gujrathi. ... The author's next work was 'Gospel of Sri Sai Baba', which had been translated into Tamil, Telugu, Hindi and Malyalam. Swamiji composed hymns in Sanskrit, entitled 'Sri Sainath Smaranam', which was translated into Tamil and English. In 1944, Swamiji wrote a play in seven acts in Tamil, entitled 'Sri Sai Charita Natakam'. Swamiji also wrote 'Sri Sai Harikalha' to popularise Sai-movement through kalakshepam (musical discourse).

"Sri Narasimha Swamiji commenced his great task of writing a detailed biography of Sri Sai Baba in English. ... In addition to these, he published many other books on Sai Baba, many of which have been translated into many Indian languages, like Tamil, Telugu, Marathi etc. It became necessary to formulate a systematic way of conducting Sai worship. So, Swamiji wrote 'Sri Sainath Pooja Vidhi' and 'Sai Sahasranamam' in addition to the ashtotaram, already in use and practice. This is published in Sanskrit, Tamil, Telugu and Canareese."

Need more? Even assuming that all of his works were translated into different languages by other people, he still needed a command of South Indian languages (including Telugu) because he preached the glories of Shirdi Sai Baba especially in the South. For Christ's sake, he set up the All-India Sai Samaj that is based in Chennai!

And then Lisa's spurious contention that Shirdi Sai Baba was known by only a few by the 1930s. Gee, this must be why he had followers even in far-off Bombay and Allahabad, which was a big achievement at the time. Few people? I think not. And because Lisa is such an ignoramus, she doesn't know that Shirdi Baba himself spoke Marathi, Hindi and Urdu, the latter two are prominent Indian languages so there was no bar to hearing about Shirdi Sai Baba at the time. Even Puttaparthi Raju books state that he was famous enough in his local area, lol! That's before they initiated the lie that Shirdi Baba was nowhere heard of in Puttaparthi in 1943 (not 1940!), when two of Raju's own uncles were Shirdi devotees and Raju himself regularly attended Shirdi bhajans by people who had been personally trained by Narasimha Swamiji.

LOL, Lisa! Keep on burying your head in the sand when you know jack about all of these things.

You are a liar. :-)

Edited by author 10-11-2006 12:45 AM
Lisa, please do not spam this board with long articles about Sai Baba. Simply providing a link to the article is enough.

Not that the article about Pedda Bottu proves a thing anyway. :-) Who can corroborate Bottu's presence in Shirdi? No one. :-)

Re /m389 "According to Narasimha's biography, Narasimha did not even know about Shirdi Sai Baba until 1936 Sanjay! It also states in his biography that VERY few people knew about Shirdi in the late 1930s. Even then, Narasimha had language barriers to deal with because he spoke only a little Marathi. So, unless one spoke Marathi, one was very unlikey to have heard about Shirdi Sai Baba at that time."

Yet again, this proves nothing. I have already mentioned that Narasimha Swamiji did not know about Shirdi Sai Baba, and that he became a devotee of Shirdi Baba after the latter's passing. Get with the program and know what people are saying before you spout off. The fact is irrelevant anyway; what does matter is that Narasimha Swami travelled widely around India personally meeting with the devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba who had personally met and experienced the miracles/knowledge/wisdom/love of the saint in order to compile his famous four-volume biography of Shirdi Sai as well as his three-volume compilation of devotee experiences. Not to mention countless other literatures and formulations of worship that were eventually for permanent use by the Shirdi Sansthan.

What are language barriers supposed to prove, if they even existed? The simple fact is that Narasimha Swamiji personally went around constructing temples and investigating people who made claims of reincarnation. Funnily enough, Narasimha Swami published his four-volume biography in 1956 and Puttaparthi Raju declared himself in 1943 (not 1940 as wacko hagiographers erroneously contended). Narasimha Swami apparently witnessed Raju materialising trinkets and claiming to be Shirdi Sai reborn after his declaration to be so. Still he was not impressed and didn't even bother mentioning Raju in his treatment of the subject. LOL.

He found time to mention a boy from Karur and a girl from Bangalore (whom he personally exposed as frauds) but had no time in thirteen years (1943-1956) to include fraud-boy Puttaparthi Raju in his magnum opus. Ha ha ha ha ha, that says it all doesn't it? :-)

Re /m388: "Gee Sanjay how can I make this ANY clearer to you? I do NOT consider YOU a reliable (or sane) source."

Gee Lisa, how can I make this ANY clearer to you? I do not care what you think. :-) It doesn't even matter if I am the one who has researched and found out all of this information; if I didn't do it, someone else would. Fact remains that your Puttaparthi guru is a confirmed liar who is not the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba. You can keep burying your head in the sand and pretending that it will all go away while maintaining your charade and your self-created delusion, it won't go away. The Expose is here to stay and this is the latest (biggest) stumbling block for "Sathya" Sai Baba. :-)

Try as you may, you won't over come it. :-)

Get this into your thick head:

You know jack about Shirdi. You know jack about Shirdi literature. You know jack about Shirdi devotees. You know jack about Shirdi Sai Baba. You do not know anything about Shirdi Sai Baba except from biased and slanted Sathya Sai sources which are incorrect and opportunistic. And all of this is proven.

Deal with that. :-)

Edited by author 10-08-2006 02:56 AM
"Inside the room were lecturer Sai Kumar Mahajan, the Baba’s cook Vishnu Bhatt, and a student called Anil Paitley. So too, perhaps, was Sairam. The trio had no problem entering the room and they said they had brought a telegram for the Baba from godman Chandraswamy. It was then that Radhakrishna, who was in the Baba’s suite on the first floor, came down and was immediately stabbed to death. Mahajan, too, was killed in the scuffle and Vishnu Bhatt and Paitley lay wounded.

The assailants swiftly bolted the door of the reception room but a young boy in the vicinity who witnessed the stabbing ran behind the room, throwing open the door that led to the veranda. His screams woke up devotees whoe were sleeping in adjacent rooms and they rushed to the spot."

This is the first time i am reading basava Premanand from Sanjay"s Gerald 'Joe' Moreno EXPOSED /m269 MorenoJoe.

I have not yet read it fully,but this part of the fact as it happened is wrong. 1.sai kumar mahajan was not a lecturer. He was a student who studied in Ss higher secondry school.His father was a Professor and head of the deparment (Bio Sciences and had died only one moth before this incident.SaiKumar mahajan then studied in Brindawan Campus and had come back to do his M.B.A at Parthi 2. Radhakrishna was not upstairs. Subbapiah the helper for vishnu bhatt opened the door and saw E.K (Suresh) standing their after knocking mildly.Seeing him, Radha krishana told Subbapiah to remove the security chain.He did it and went towards the kitchen.Radhakrishna asked E.K what happened, how are you etc., but e.k who had taken drugs (post mortem report told this)along with the other 3, took out a one foot dagger and cut the important vein(jagular or something) in the neck and stabbed him 3 to 4 times in the stomach by holding him from behind. Subbapiah ran out of the back door and created a stir. Vishnu Bhatt hid himself in the next room and in the dark Siram and Jagnathan stabbed him on the head.(He still has the marks).They did not know the switch.One more thing After some time when vishnu bhatt came out thinking every one has gone,he was seen by E.K who had cooled down a little.E.K told him to go inside and left him without killing him.

From Shirdi Sai to Sathya Sai

by Sharada Devi alias 'Pedda Bottu'
Prasanthi Nilayam, India, 1985.

Web Posted: July 28, 1999, Gurupoornima.

  

My mother, Manthrapragada Ramalaksmhi Devi, and my father, Venkata Narasimha Rao—who were childless in spite efforts—visited their Guru, Shirdi Sai Baba, in 1887 and prayed to him for a child. As the fruit of Shirdi Sai Baba's grace, I was born to them on August 8, 1888. Shirdi Sai Baba himself gave me my name, Shringeri Sharada Devi. As I am of fair complexion, he used to lovingly call me Gori.

In my sixth year, my elders took me on a pilgrimage to Badrinath in the Himalayas. Soon after this trip, I was arranged in marriage and moved into my husband's household in my twelfth year [as was customary in India in earlier days]. I bore six male children to my husband by the age of 23, but all of them died after living for merely three to four years of age.

As all my children were lost and I failed to bear any more children, I consented for my husband to remarry, and I moved to settle down at Shirdi in the presence of Sai Baba.

I saw Shirdi Sai Baba perform many miracles. Once, a tahasildar, an old devotee of Shirdi Baba came for Baba's darshan. On seeing him Baba said, "I am happy that you have come. I wish to have puran poli [fried sweet]. Bring me one." As there were no hotels in those days the man proceeded all the way to Kopargaon, a larger town about 20 km away from Shirdi, to have a few puran poli's prepared somehow. He brought them to Shirdi the following day for Baba's lunch time.

Baba then told him, "I have eaten my belly full. Why did you bring them? You may take them back." On hearing this, the devotee was stupefied and started weeping. He said, "Because you asked for puran poli's, I got them prepared—straining myself. How could you have your fill when you have not even started your lunch, Baba? Please eat at least one for all my labor."

Baba replied, "When you were getting the sweets prepared, I visited the place in the form of ants and ate them. Can you not believe that my stomach is really full? Look at this," so saying Baba belched and spat out some pieces of puran poli. God is the indwelling spirit of everyone. There were many instances when Baba demonstrated this truth.

Baba never failed to give succour to those who prayed to him with full faith.

One day I requested Baba to give me Mantra Upadesh (Spiritual initiation).. Baba replied, "You are young yet. I will give you Upadesh when you grow older." I waited until I was 29 years old and prayed to Baba again. He shouted at me with anger, "You are always obsessed with Upadesh!," and kicked me on the chest with his right foot.

With tears of dejection streaming down my face, I went out and laid down under a tree. I must have slept after weeping for a long time; it was very late at night when Baba came to wake me up. He asked me to follow him to the Lendi Garden. When we reached the garden, he said, "My child! I could not sleep in Dwarka Mayi [Baba's dweling] when you were lying out there without food since morning. I have brought you here, for I want to tell you something. But first you must eat."

He stretched out his right hand with palm up and said, "Allah Malik hai" (God is the master).

Two chapathis and a lemon sized kova [a sweet, made out of milk] materialized in his palm. He gave them to me to eat. Again, he stretched out his hand and this time a very small mud pot full of water materialized. When I ate and drank he asked me, "Gori, is your anger gone?" I mentally replied in all humility, "There is no anger or frustration now. I was a fool not to realize that your kick was in fact your grace. My heartfelt gratitude to you for allowing me to eat your divine materialization's." Baba then told me, "I will tell you something, but before that you should hold my feet and promise me not to tell this to anyone." With pounding heart and anticipating the much awaited Mantra Upadesh, I did as he told me.

"Gori, I will appear in Andhra [Pradesh] with the same name of Sai Baba but in another Avathar. Then again, you will come to me. I will keep you with me and give you joy." I was ecstatic in joy and said, "I am blessed my Lord, this is my greatest fortune! Should I not reveal this fact to anybody?" Baba confirmed, "No, you alone will see my second Avathar, none else will. After you have seen me in my second form, you may tell this to others when occasions arise."

This conversation between us took place in 1917. Later, I was informed that my ailing elder aunt wanted to see me at Rajahmundry. It was when I was at Rajahmundry in 1918 that I learnt that Baba had left his physical body. I was filled with a kind of inexplicable anguish.

One day my aunt told me, "I must arrange my journey on Ekadasi, day after tomorrow. Sri Baba himself appeared in my dream and called me to him." On Ekadasi she passed away with the Lord's name on her lips. I had deserted my family life due to the loss of all my sons. The parents too, who loved me, had left this world long ago. There was no longer the solace and protection I had from Baba. To top it all, now my dearest aunt was also no more! The sense of forlornness and depression was now to the full brim. I learnt that there was a number of learned saints in the hills of Dwaraka and decided to spend the rest of my life in their service.

I started off and after five days of crossing rivers in spate and fearsome forests, I reached a tunnel-like cave. I entered it, walked through its length and reached the other side. A group of people were shouting slogans in praise of a 'Sadguru Maharaj'. I soon understood that this great man was about 360 years old. I was keen on having his darshan and earn some spiritual merit. I sat in meditation under a tree but nobody came to see or talk with me. I was steeped in sorrow. On the fourth day, an old saint, presumably the Sadguru Maharaj, appeared in front of me and asked me the reason for my unhappiness. I replied that when he, the Swamiji, the all-knowing omniscient did not bother about me, I got disheartened. The great one told, "You are new to this place. I wanted to test your endurance. Now, go and take a dip in that holy lake and come back. I shall give you Upadesh." I was elated! I bathed in the holy water, returned, and received the Mantra Upadesh. Now I had a holy word to repeat in meditation and reach the highest level of serenity.

Sadguru Maharaj himself had five Masters. He showed me five caves in which each of these supreme saints sat in perpetual meditation. Sadguru Maharaj advised me to choose one of these supreme saints, sit in meditation in his company and obtain Siddhi [spiritual power]. I selected the Master of the first cave. His name was Sri Chandra Yogi. I preferred him to others because I recollected a person of the exact likeness of Sri Chandra Yogi appearing and calling me to him in a dream in my childhood days. I sat in the presence of Sri Chandra Yogi every day, repeating the mantra twenty million times and obtained the Siddhi.

I spent six more years in those holy hills. Sadguru Maharaj gave me and other disciples a series of discourses on the Vedas; Vedanta, secrets of the entire cosmos, and many topics of spiritual importance. One day the Maharaj told me, "You have learnt everything that there is to know. Now listen to me carefully. You have to do many more good deeds. The God you think you have lost is about to come into this world soon, for the uplift of the entire humanity. You will not see him in the old form with which you are familiar. He will appear in a new captivating form. He will be the most powerful Avathar and will do many extraordinary things. Hence, return to your place, learn about this lovable God and receive your salvation in his service."

I developed a great liking to the sacred atmosphere of the hills, the peaceful and calm life of meditation and the company of the holy, scholarly persons. So, it was with a heavy heart I persuaded myself to return to Hyderabad.

In an effort to spend my time, money, and strength in a beneficial activity, I planned a home for the poor, and destitute children and named it 'All India Sai Sadan'. It started functioning with eighty children. I gave them not only food and formal education, but taught them vocational activities like stitching, making toys, and other handicrafts. After some time, I began to run out of money and supplemented the income by writing Hari Kathas [short stories about God] and singing them wherever I was asked to. One day I was invited to sing a Hari Katha in a village called Uruvakonda. In the house where this event was arranged, I happened to see on the wall a photograph of a beautiful lad. He had a large crown of hair. The face and eyes were most charming and magnetic. I asked the housewife whose photo it was. She told me, "Don't you know? He is Puttaparthi Sai Baba. If you want to see him, I can take you to him tomorrow." The next day I was taken to the house of one Mr. Seshama Raju, the elder brother of Baba.. I then saw the young 14 year old Baba. It was in 1940. I was then 52 years old.

The first words that Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba uttered to me where, "Gori, you owe me 16 rupees in my Shirdi incarnation." I replied that I had already paid up all my debts to Shirdi Baba. He said, "I know. I said it because you are not able to recognize me. Otherwise, you would have fallen at my feet. All right! After completing all your tasks at the Poor Home you are running, go to Puttaparthi. I shall retain you with me and shall bestow all the joy you want." For the next 17 years, I used to visit Puttaparthi frequently and spend a few months every time in the divine presence of Baba. In 1958, when I was 70, I closed down the Poor Home and went to Puttaparthi to spend the rest of my life there. Baba gave me an apartment to stay in the ashram.

Once I was ill when Baba was away at Bangalore. In spite of my indisposition, I wanted to perform my duty as a lady volunteer in maintenance of discipline and silence in the temple premises. It was 6:30 PM. The post-bhajan meditation pactice was in progress. Suddenly I noticed Bhagavan Baba beckoning me into the temple corridor. Since meditation was going on, he was naturally motioning his hand silently but it was clear he wanted me to go to him. How can Baba be here too at the Puttaparthi temple, when he was in Bangalore right at that moment? I was sure it was some apparition; my sick mind was evidently playing tricks. I looked the other way for a moment and again turned back. Baba was very much there. Losing faith in my faculties, I looked away. This time Baba walked towards me and said very audibly, "Come!" I had to believe the voice at least. Baba might have returned from Bangalore without my knowing it.

He materialised Vibhutti and gave me to cure my illness with. He then motioned me to take Padnamaskar. Filled with bliss at his loving concern for me, I bowed down and had the Padnamaskar. When I raised my head there was no Baba to be seen anywhere. By this time, I was surrounded by many women. Serious doubts of my mental soundness was being freely exchanged. There were few takers when I narrated what actually happened. I showed them the Vibhutti that Baba had given me. Some, at least, in the group must have thought I was a blessed soul. I began to feel better when I ate the Vibhutti. By next morning, I was fit as a fiddle.

This happened again when Baba was away at Bangalore. My eye was swollen and red. The eyelid was hanging down swollen and red. The eyelid was ha and it was giving me excruciating pain. The doctor at the Puttaparthi hospital told that it was a serious condition and that an operation was necessary. I was scared out of my wits and rushed to Bangalore. Baba saw me and admonished, "Why did you come here?"

I wailed, "You are the Lord of all creation. Where else can I go? Look at my eye. I came here because I could not bear the pain." He materialised Vibhutti and poured the entire stuff into my eye. He asked me to close the eye and led me to a place to lie down. He called a security guard and instructed him, "Nobody should disturb this old lady as long as she sleeps.." I slept until eight o'clock the next morning. Baba came and examined the eye. He said, "It is normal. Now go back to Puttaparthi and attend to your duties. I shall return tomorrow." On another occasion, I went to Baba complaining of a stomach ache. He materialised Vibhutti with the familiar rotation of his hand and asked me to smear it on my forehead in the form of a big Bottu (dot). Baba added, "Your stomach pain will vanish. And from now on you will be called Pedda Bottu (Big dot)!" Thus Pedda Bottu became my permanent name."

Shreemata Sharada Devi alias 'Pedda Bottu' has left her mortal frame several years back. We are grateful and delighted to have a share in her innocent and unusal story.

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Edited by author 10-07-2006 05:39 AM
/m373

According to Narasimha's biography, Narasimha did not even know about Shirdi Sai Baba until 1936 Sanjay! It also states in his biography that VERY few people knew about Shirdi in the late 1930s. Even then, Narasimha had language barriers to deal with because he spoke only a little Marathi. So, unless one spoke Marathi, one was very unlikey to have heard about Shirdi Sai Baba at that time.



BECOMES A SAI DEVOTEE

In 1936, Narasimha Swamiji visited the Samadhi of Sri Sai Baba. It was a memorable event in his life. He stood silently watching the Samadhi. It was the happiest moment in his life. Baba spoke to him in eloquent silence... Sai Baba kindled the light in Swamiji. It was an everlasting, spiritual bliss lo him. He expressed his joy as follows :

"My hunger for spiritual food was not satisfied, till I came to Shirdi. At Shirdi, I was given more than I could lake. I had at last discovered my Sadguru. He is Samartha Sadguru and I live in constant communion with him."

Swamiji was surprised to find, how, for nearly sixty years, a great saint had lived and blessed so many in that neglected village. Swamiji wanted all to experience this spiritual bliss, which Sai Baba can bestow on us. In nineteen thirties, the number of persons seeking solace at the feet of Sri Sai Baba of Shirdi was very small. He also wanted to carry Baba's message to his home province touring every town and village and spread Baba's gospel everywhere in India. He knew enough Marathi to seek and collect information from those, who were lucky enough to come into personal contact with his Master, Sai Maharaj.

In this way, he met and interviewed more than sixty devotees, who had personally seen Sri Baba. Among them were Abdul, Dasganu Maharaj, Sri M.B. Rege etc. Swamiji made enquiries and recorded their experiences, which revealed, how Baba had helped His devotees from danger. Then, with justice Rege, he toured Maharashtra, addressing mass meetings in English and Marathi in many places. Meanwhile, he wrote a series of articles on Sai Baba in the 'Sunday Times' of Madras. All these activities occupied him till the end of 1938 and in the beginning of 1939, he returned to Madras.

Edited by author 01-23-2008 03:57 AM
/m368

Gee Sanjay how can I make this ANY clearer to you? I do NOT consider YOU a reliable (or sane) source. Got that? YOU are definitely NOT guru or college material! Why would I listen to a morally and mentally warped person who I found was perusing jesus porn groups, lying about his past experiences with Vimalananda, sexually exploiting women with his camera, etc.?

The only thing you are really good at is continuously making a fool of yourself over and over again. The only people who listen to you and take you seriously are other perverts and alcoholics who, like you, claim to be moral stalwarts.

One thing is certain. You all deserve each other.

Edited by author 03-01-2008 11:55 PM
/m383

What I think is funny, is that Sanjay is so deluded as to think HE is going to bring Sai Baba down by writing about him! If simply writing about Sai Baba could bring him down, it would have been accomplished long ago given that even before the internet existed people who lived in India were writing bad things about him, trying to poison him, etc..

Sanjay is too blind to see his own selective argumentation, ad hominem attacks, contradictory waffling and denial of certain facts which will in the end take him nowhere.

Dadlani quotes authors/sources as authorities when they suit his argument and liars when they do not. This is typical of the anti-Sai behavior and double standard.
 
What the anti-Sais REFUSE to acknowledge is that there are NUMEROUS corroborative WITNESSES to Sai Baba's miracles which, in addition to these corroborative witnesses, include documentation such as in the case of healings, etc. Anyone who says this does not exist is a liar.
Even government officials say it is so, yet the handful of anti-Sais, most of whom are WHITE, many of whom have very shady mental health and/or criminal histories or religious agendas, think everyone should consider them MORE credible than the massive documentation regarding Sai Baba's history.

The anti-Sais want everyone to just believe them because they say so, yet call us "true believers" because we don't just fall for every hook, line and sinker they throw at us. If only they could make up their minds and quit contradicting themselves! And these are the people who originally wrote VERY positive books about Sai Baba or brag they were devotees for ten or twenty years! Now they think they have seen the light and everyone else is blind. All one hundred or so of them. The internet became their guru and they suddenly "saw the light." Decades of DIRECT experiences be damned.



Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

The big question is: If Kasturi could not get his facts right (as Sanjay contends), then who did? Still waiting for an answer :-)

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Sanjay, get your facts right for once! I believe in Sathya Sai Baba due to my own personal, spiritual experiences with him. I am not a devotee, however. I have a favorable view about Baba. Once again, you are twisting facts and telling your pathological lies because that is all you can argue with. This discussion has been very revealing. You just utterly compromised all the arguments you have been trying to make. Thank you :-)

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Too funny, now Sanjay said the following:

"Poor Morono still doesn't get it. I can do anything I want since I am dealing with a bunch of confirmed liars. :-) Raju is a lair and Venkamma is a liar too. Nobody can explain how they could have access to Shirdi paraphernalia in a village that was supposedly cut off from the outside world, lol." /m381

First Sanjay argued that Sathya Sai Baba was not bitten by a scorpion based on Baba's own words and tried to refute Baba's words by citing Venkamma:

"Titter ye not, for Raju was in the bathroom when he was bitten and himself said that he was bitten by a scorpion, according to his own sister Venkamma." /m370

Since Sanjay just conceded that Venkamma is a liar, then WHY is Sanjay citing her as an authority on what really happened to Baba? If Baba and Venkamma are liars, then where is Sanjay getting his accurate & truthful information from? According to Sanjay, none of these devotees and relatives are trustworthy. Therefore, all these citations are useless in revealing the truth because there are NO non-devotee biographies on Baba. Sanjay is clueless. Sanjay has no proof to support any of his conspiracy theories. It's all fluff, deception and imagination.

Sanjay, tsk. Your girly, shrieking and vitriolic hissy fits give the impression that you are coming undone at the seams. Calm down and do some japa. lol

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Aw shucks! I let Sicko Morono do it to me again! Dragging me down into his quagmire and whirlpool of ad-hominem attacks.

This pervert is pathologially incapable of defending Sai Baba in a public forum, what to speak of presenting a reasonable, rational, sensible and logical statement to save his life.

Observe his pathetic downward spiral while I go to sleep. I have no more need to discuss Puttaparthi Raju's lies with people who cannot even explain why they defend him without believing in him. :-)

For the last time tonight:

Gerald 'Joe' Moreno EXPOSED /m269 MorenoJoe

:-)

Edited by author 10-07-2006 01:29 AM

Sick pervert Gerald Moreno!

Nothing is free from his sexual perversions. First he spends an entire page talking about excrement, then he spends time talking about Sai Baba's genitals, then he talks about anuses and genitals, then he talks about covering himself with animal excrement, then he starts talking about bestiality (sex with animals), then he starts posting onto teen porn sites, then he starts projecting his own homosexual desires onto other people,...

And now this sick pervert thinks that I have incestuous homosexual feelings towards my own brother.

Nothing is free from the sick purview of this thoroughly despicable and sexually immoral pervert who cries when he thinks about the ocean.

Sick Pervert Moreno /m269

Re /m377:

"Now you are claiming that 'Narayana Baba' (a trance medium who is alleged to materialize stuff) is an authority on Shirdi Sai Baba because he says so! lol"

Read the quote properly, dumbloon. It is sourced from a challenge to behavioural sciences from Sai Baba by Satya Pal Ruhela and Duane Robinson (both well-known devotees). You're very fond of "investigative reports" aren't you, since we know you like to deceive people into thinking that Puttaparthi Sai baba has been "scientifically investigated" when he hasn't. :-)

Do I look like I care about this investigative report? :-) If you care to read the original source, you'd see that as recently as 1982 devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba, who manifested the same powers as Sathya Sai Baba stated that he (Shirdi) has not reincarnated. So tough luck. And we are not talking about the mechanics of reincarnation per se, dumbloon, just the fact that Puttaparthi Sai Baba is a big fat liar when he claimed to be Shirdi's reinc. :-)

"One will also notice that Sanjay could not provide any conclusive evidence to support his claims about dates, etc."

Is Joe Moreno dumb or something? I just stated that it's coming soon: /m372

In fact I just scanned the "conclusive evidence2 yesterday, lol. As if Moreno has any "conclusive evidence" to prove his points when all he has are the fairy-tales of Kasturi who took twelve years to write a book and couldn't even get his facts straight, lol.

"Yes, (according to Sanjay) Venkamma is an authority on Sathya Sai Baba. Her numerous statments about Baba's divinity, miracles and avatarhood must also be accepted with her statements that Baba was bit by a scorpion. You can't accept one story and reject the others."

Poor Morono still doesn't get it. I can do anything I want since I am dealing with a bunch of confirmed liars. :-) Raju is a lair and Venkamma is a liar too. Nobody can explain how they could have access to Shirdi paraphernalia in a village that was supposedly cut off from the outside world, lol.

Liar Morono EXPOSED! /m269