Edited by author 10-18-2006 12:23 AM
You think this is bad, you should see the hissy fits blabber mouth, and probably drunken, Sanjay is throwing on the other board! Twenty posts and counting!
Hey Sanjay, maybe when you grow up you can tell others what to do. After all, you are still living at home with your mommy and daddy at 28 years and counting.

Usedbybaba, I'm still waiting for you to explain why you believed Sai Baba was God and why your 15 year timeline isn't adding up and you are avoiding an explanation. You are going to be held accountable for your contradictory statements no matter how much you try to distract from the issues. Also, if you lived in Puttaparthi as a child, as you claim, you would have also gone to school there yet you have said nothing about that.

Homoreno, this is not a place to post your blogs wholesale. Either post an extract or give a link. Don't post entire blogs that are irrelevant and out of place in this discussion forum.

Behave.

Sanjay, re-read my prior comment and cry your heart out: /m590

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Here's soemthing that I just wrote on the SSBDC in response to a query:

"Whatever way one looks at it, Sai Baba is internationally acknowledged as a homosexual predator with involvement in murders, financial scandals, grandiose self-importance and many other disturbing things. He has been the subject of numerous news paper articles and television documentaries that report on all of these things. Even academics are now beginning to sit up and take note because this is now in the 'mainstream' perception of Sai Baba.

"It doesn't matter what devotees think and what they think of the controversy. We know very well how politics works; the slightest hint of dirt in someone's background is enough to discredit them. Nothing to do with his competency, he may have been very good at the job. Even apart from that, there were seveal political reasons why he could not have attained the position. One of them is that India is an up-and-coming superpower that is breaking new fields; the appointment of Tharoor - an Indian - would bring concerns about geopolitical nepotism.

"As a political diplomat who was vying for a position that would have brought him international renown and which would have merited his attention on matters of delicate international issues, his openly declared connections to a disturbing religious leader would work against him at the very least."

Edited by author 10-17-2006 11:29 PM
AbusedFor15Years / UsedByBaba Lies

Since mid-May of 2006, an anonymous and faceless person using the names "abusedfor15years" and "usedbybaba" (whom appears to have used the past names "ex-sai student", "X-S", "saibabagod", "sriram", "sebastian", "ravi saluja", "Another Ex Student", "victimofsaileela", "saurabh", "abhin", "blldexter" and many others) made numerous defamatory and criminal allegations against Sathya Sai Baba on the SathyaSaiBaba2 Yahoo Group & QuickTopic.

Needless to say, Sanjay immediately took to "usedbybaba" and engaged him in conversation, never expressing any sort of healthy skepticism or asking for any kind of proof, evidence, documents or data to support the erroneous and criminal allegations "usedbybaba" made against Sathya Sai Baba.

Fortunately, "usedbybaba" self-imploded and fully exposed himself (which Anti-Sai Activists tend to do when mildly provoked). The following posts reveal what kind of person "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" truly is ("linga", in the following posts, means "penis"):

who is premanand? by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole. you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA. I can write worse than this and i am capable of doing more, u shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth. Maybe you eat through your bottom. You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying. You bi''**h Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine. tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth. If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I remember people for life and don't take me for granted. BAS****D" (Reference).

sob sob sob sob sob. If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you. Go and taste baba's linga . or rathnakar maybe.it is free. They told me he is divorced. Is it true? if it is true you can get married to him. try him he is only in his thirties unlike BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know .maybe he will adjust it when he knows he is going to die to suit the stories that he told. by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the third leg. we know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy (Reference).

And on QuickTopic:

lenin999@yahoo.co.uk: you think the so called devotees will allow anyone to invetigate. NO, THEY WILL KILL HIM. Osama must be jelous of baba for having such wonderful (killers) devotees

It is significant to point out that the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning in Prashanti Nilayam is the only college in India to have received an "A++" rating by the National Assessment and Accreditation Council (an autonomous body established by the University Grants Commission: Reference). For further proof, one can also read the Draft Report of the Peer Team on Institutional Accreditation of the Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (Deemed University) Vidyagiri, Prashanthi Nilayam – 515 134 (A.P) Visit Dates: December 2 – 4, 2002 (Reference: DOC File).

This is the esteemed University that "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" claimed he attended. Those who have visited Sathya Sai Baba's ashram know full well that his students speak flawless English and are reputed as some of the brightest in all of India (even receiving national awards from the President of India).

All it takes is one look at the atrocious English grammar and spelling used by "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" to know that he never attended Sathya Sai Baba's prestigious University.

Funny enough "abusedfor15years" / "usedbybaba" pretended to be another student using the name of "blldexter". He accidentally posted under this name and tried to erase it later but his post was already sent to email subscribers, of which I am one. "usedbybaba" said about Baba's age, "BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know". If "usedbybaba" was really a student for 15 years, why doesn't he know Baba's age? "usedbybaba" has no clue if Baba is in his 70's, 80's or 90's.

These are the anonymous and faceless defamers who spread their lies on the internet against Sathya Sai Baba. The tide has turned and the only people who are being "exposed" are Anti-Sai Activists themselves.

Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba

Kristijan, precisely. You do not believe that they are lying. If you consider it from the other point of view, that they are lying, the whole problem is resolved. Either they are lying or they are hallucinating, the answer is along those lines.

It also doesn't ultimately matter if Sai Baba is guilty of child sex abuse or not, although this is not to be minimised. The fact is that he has attained fame (and wants more fame) on the basis of his alleged godhood. The fact also remains that he is not God and consequently his whole existence is based on a fraudulent and reprehensible sham. There are many reasons that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not God. For a start, he doesn't pass the acid test.

By the way, Raju also lied about his status as a reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba. He lied to Karanjia in a media interview that only he was responsible for knowing anything about Shirdi Sai Baba in an area where nothing was known of him. The recently discovered facts now show that there was a strong culture of Shirdi worship in Puttaparthi; Raju regularly attended Shirdi bhajans, memorised the Satcharita, openly worshipped Shirdi Sai Baba and sang praises in his honour, wore a locket of Shirdi around his neck and much more.

No wonder everyone was "amazed" when he declared himself as the reincarnation in 1943 (not 1940), they were not amazed, they thought he had gone nuts!

OK, thanks for sharing,that was interesting.
now ,if that is true i don't get how it's possible that SB appeared in peoples room, next to their bed.And i don't at all believe people who said that are lying.
Something is weird.
LOL

Edited by author 10-17-2006 11:17 PM
/m590

Trust Gerald 'HoMo'reno to twist my statements completely out of context to suit his desultory purposes. What else can we expect from a proven intellectually dishonest liar? Perhaps we need to drill it into his thick head a second time; My blog is specifically written for the layman who probably doesn't know Sai Baba from Adam. That is the main reason why all of my articles are written as 'simple' as possible so that even a child can understand. I have also stated in my blog in several places that, despite my Gaudiya Vaishnava religion, I will not be arguing my points against Sai Baba from the viewpoint of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Although I can do so very easily since it gives me plenty of ammunition, but it is unfair to launch a sectarian attack. :-)

Consequently I write for the 'layman' who may very well be an atheist and have no knowledge of Hindu/Vedantic philosophy and who can easily understand whatever it is that I am saying. As such, "sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like". Anyone with even half a brain can understand this point, but not Homoreno, oh no! He will find yet another way to twist this until it is unrecognisable, tsk tsk.

Homoreno accuses me (on other forums) of "cherry-picking" my sources when he does the exact same thing by paying undue attention to one sentence in a five-part series of articles. Talk about intellectual dishonesty with a generous helping of hypocrisy!

Joe Moreno EXPOSED! /m269

Dear Angel,
I will give you some details. Why? because I thought you are actually enticing me to tell some details and then maybe use it to get me in trouble. Now in the morning ,when I got up my heart told me that I need not fear you or anyone and I am getting a reassurance every time I am thinking of it.. If it happens to me I know that it is God’s voice (that has been my experience).I have also stopped abusing anyone including BaBa because of the same voice. I have learnt to forgive him too. Not that I am going to believe him ,but my inner feeing told me that for my own sake I have to forgive people.
Now coming to your questions. (I know that Lisa is going to ruthlessly abuse me usning my own words and that was one reason that I did not speak)
!.for nearly three years baba did not bother about me.During these years I was brain washed about Baba by my own faith being a fertile ground for growing my faith with tremendous input through Discourses, Students who were as devoted as me or more and the total Ambience.. This period makes you yearn for BaBa .Even during this period ,I saw Students who had been there before I joined behaving without any sense of so called Discipline, for reasons not understood by us. They would crack sex jokes etc.,. (period when I heard of Lallu Panju). Then when Baba started talking to me it was very very important thing in my life and all he did was told me to remove my pant and applied the oil below the solar plexes. Then he told me to take pada namaskar and when I tried to get up he would not allow me ,meaning he wanted me to go to his thing. by that time he had kissed me on the mouth and all that. Because of my faith it was a spiritual experience for me .My fear of thinking of sex in front of the Almighty etc., was gone. So I took it as an expeience.The next time he called me , I had just taken a cold shower and he caught my penis and the heat of his hand made it stand erect, But Baba was obviously very happy.He was all smiles. Now this handling of my thing went on for a few years and I thought he was purifying me or something beyond my comprehension. He did not do anything because I was not co-operate in the way he was expecting ,but I was very obviously very devoted and my faith was increasing .Seeing me innocently trusting him unlike the others who were either happily joining him or running away from parthi, he waited for me to get caught in his place.(Don’t ask me how?) Once I was caught he slowly started troubling me, but even here my innocence and faith in him saved me to a large extent. He compelled me to do the blow job and I was totally confused. He was giving me signals as though it is ok to be a homo .It was repulsive but God was telling me. I cannot tell you all the details because some of my friends know the details nd my way of expressing the same. Lisa said Baba must be having the knack of finding the dumb ones . the fact is he tries two to three new persons every month and it is we who decide what to do and I was dumb but there were many who were smart to use or go away. As far as the 15 years is concerned ,I lived more than that in Parthi and When I was supposed to fill the area of first name ,Second name and so on I just filled not knowing it will be displayed and to my own surprise. I haope you won’t lose your sleep over this.I feel you are sincere ,So let me reiterate. All the Molestation Charges are absolutely true, but some think it is the inexplicable way of God. When I was confused about things ,I met and Indian American ,to whom I had confessed, he told me that he had heard these accusations and was praying to know the truth and at that time I had confessed to him. Together we came out of thee rut mentally. I had to stay there for some more time and then was very happy to leave.
I cannot tell you when I came out becaus Every year except the boys who normally finish their cousre,among those who stayed longer,for more than a decade or so, only one or two persons come out and they can identify me.

re /m587 & /m588
Poor Sanjay (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"). He must be pulling his hair out by now. lol

First of all I never claimed that people who believe in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like are are not "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people. Sanjay was the person who made this claim. Sanjay said:

Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like.

Funny enough, since Sanjay and his Scriptures promote belief in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like, one is left to wonder why Sanjay (a fanatic miracle monger) would claim that such people are NOT "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth"?

Sanjay attempted to clarify his position (got to give him points for trying):

My sentence was clearly intended for the consumption of people who do not believe in reincarnation, etc. It does not reflect my own personal beliefs.

Now, Sanjay is telling us that for those who do not believe in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like, that he, his Hare Krishna Gurus (Srila Prabhupada and Srila Gour Govinda Swami), his Hindu Scriptures (Vedas, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Ramayana, Upanishads, etc) ALL should not be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Talk about shooting one's self in the foot TWICE! lol

I think a quote from Alan Kazlev (Sanjay's newfound friend) is called for. Kazlev called Sanjay a "adolescent f*ckhead" (Ref). lol

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Lisa, even though Sai Baba says that you are a dog and you insist on barking like one, I'd say you are getting much closer to attaining your true nature now that you acknowledge yourself as behaving like a ferret. Close, but there's some way to go yet.

Why don't you lay your cards on the table and tell everyone why you believe in Sai Baba as God? Since you are in a minority in the world population, the whole world is waiting for your answer since you are the curiosity here, not the other way around.

And while you're racking your two brain cells trying to think of an answer that will make you look all smart and scholarly (but will fail as usual), you can try quitting it with the school playground behaviour when you ridiculously assert that you know more about Hinduism than born Hindus. Get a reality check, honey, you don't know jack! :-)

Stop behaving like a silly child.

/m570:

Gerald 'HoMo'reno has, in many places (even on Wikipedia) decried psychic and paranormal phenomena like reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like.

Yet he openly professes his faith in Sai Baba (/m385) who, hilariously enough, is a complete believer in reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings, aliens, UFOs, and much more!

That's what you get for shooting yourself in your smelly feet, Homoreno! Lol.

Joe Moreno EXPOSED! /m269

Edited by author 10-17-2006 10:08 PM
Re /m570:

"On Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") blog, he said:

    "Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like."


Since all the scriptures that Sanjay believes in (i.e., Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Upanishads and Ramayana) talk about (and promote belief in) reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like, these scriptures cannot be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Sanjay just refuted the sciptures that are used to determine the "acid test" of an avatar. That's what you get for opening your big mouth Sanjay. lol"

Is Gerald 'HoMo'reno THICK Or Something?

My sentence was clearly intended for the consumption of people who do not believe in reincarnation, etc. It does not reflect my own personal beliefs. Unbelievable that such a thick person like Homoreno cannot understand such a simple thing. In fact, my entire blog is written in an "impartial" way since 'innocent' people are the target audience.

Tough luck Handbag! Please try again. :-)


P.S. And, as usual, neither of the two goons (Homoreno and Lisa) answered the point about the 'acid test'. The 'Acid Test' to determine avatarhood are predictions in the scriptures. Sai Baba is not predicted as an avatar in the scriptures, ergo he is a fraud. Very simple. It's all over. :-)

Edited by author 10-17-2006 07:28 PM
Usedbybaba, you have already claimed you believed Baba was God (and, according to you, that is why you gave him blow jobs) and now you are backtracking and saying he has to prove himself to you! Gee, can't you see how this makes you look like a liar?
Personally, I could care less whether you believe he is God or not. My job is to determine whether your statements are consistent and at this point they do not appear to be consistant all. When one combines that with the fact that you have ZERO corroborative witnesses and ZERO evidence of your claims, it is not hard to come to the conclusion that you are NOT a truthful person.
You have YET to tell us, even though you have been asked SEVERAL times, just WHY you believed Sai Baba was God.

You are the one playing with peoples emotions buddy. We are trying to ferret out the truth here and you keep jumping around the questions yet claiming you are answering them!

And quit your whining. You are just as abusive, if not more so, than anyone here with all your threats and mind games. You are using it as a poor excuse not to have to answer questions.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 02:04 PM
"Did I ?
Extremely sorry. That is another reason that i should not talk about my life and play with your emotions.
Angle"nobody needs to prove anything." so i need not prove whether i was abused or not. Or is this rule only for baba."

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To me it doesn't make any sense that a sexually abused victim would speak of it's abuser like that, as if you're just a regular person.

this is what you said:






"If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. "
_____________________
That person sexually molested you ,so your abuser doesn't need to prove anything to you, you already know everything and you have no reason to be interested in getting to know the truth ,since you already now it ALL.
 
you NEED to be obsessed talking about him molesting you and WARNING other people .








"the onus is on him to prove it to us. "
___________________

BUT I THOUGHT YOU GAVE HIM A BLOW JOB FOR A FEW TIMES?????
WHAT DO YOU CARE??


it just doesn't make sense,That you're into such "general discussions" about your abuser.






"Because it will only put me in trouble and I cannot prove anything.As I said earlier it is my word Vs Babas or yours.So I want to discuss it from a normal person's point of view."
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what trouble,again you make no sense.
It would only make you look incredible if the time frame wouldn't fit your earlier stories.




"You say you answered all my questions DID you?? no. you answered only one question."
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No, you're blatantly lying.I answered to ALL of your questions.







"By the way thi swill be my last reply to you if you insist on discussing ME."
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Hello!!!
you are a sexually molested victim,what else is there to discuss.
Sb's message??????? ....No, we can discuss that after we sort things out about your case.

At this point you just seem as a disingenuous person ,unwilling to reciprocate by answering to some simple most basic questions.
Like i said you're blatantly lying ..you know very well i answered honestly to all of your questions.I feel used and cheated .
You demanded that i answer...I did ,because i expected you'd answer back to me,but you refuse , by giving some lame excuses that JUST DON'T HOLD WATER.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 10:04 AM
Angel"How dare you play with people's emotions??
how dare you?"

Did I ?
Extremely sorry. That is another reason that i should not talk about my life and play with your emotions.
Angle"nobody needs to prove anything." so i need not prove whether i was abused or not. Or is this rule only for baba.

Angle"You're interested in generally discussing Sai Baba as if you're just a regular person,not a sexually abused victim."

Because it will only put me in trouble and I cannot prove anything.As I said earlier it is my word Vs Babas or yours.So I want to discuss it from a normal person's point of view.
You say you answered all my questions DID you?? no. you answered only one question.
By the way thi swill be my last reply to you if you insist on discussing ME.
All I acn say ,I did not lie but was not puorosely clear.There might be some which might be even anachronical but not untrue.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 04:03 PM
If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. Sri Yukteshwar Maharaj,guru of SRi Paramahamsa yogananda (yogda satsang society and author of Autobiography of a yogi) said before you accept anyone as Guru you have all the right to check his/her credibility.
Now that is the reason I say look before you leap.He is not showing he is credible.

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why are you mentioning OTHER GURUS ,what are you talking about,nobody needs to prove anything to you.
You were sexually abused by sai baba don't you remember?
what interest do yo have in discussing sb's credibility and his "message" in general.You gave him a "blow job".

You're interested in generally discussing Sai Baba(your abuser) as if you're just a regular person,not his sexually abused victim.
something doesn't make sense here.





"you will be wasting your time by trieng to get an answer from me."
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usedbybaba i answered to all of your questions!
why don't you answer mine?

you're not fair ,you asked me all kind of questions but you fail to respond to mine.
what kind of a logic is that?

Please don't tell me you lied about this and you personally weren't sexually abused by sb.
Did i waste my energy for nothing?
Did you lie about this?
What kind of a person are you.
Did you deceive me?
What gives you the right??
How dare you play with people's emotions??
how dare you?

Lisa"You don't have guts enough to answer my questions ya coward"
Thankyou for proving me correct by your abuse.By the way have you ever asked questions about Baba and your logical conclusion that he is God/Avatar.Surprising.

Angel"You can't find the proper answers.
You had no problem discussing Blow jobs, but when it comes to telling the time frame.You're left speechless."

Yes i am speechless and i can't find the proper answer.I had no problems discussing the "blow job" then,Now I have problems.You have won the argument, fine.
Dear angel is it not funny that you tell me the whole thing is a waste but you want us to discuss the waste again and again.you will be wasting your time by trieng to get an answer from me.Instead you can try the other forums and I think i recognise some students there.May God bless you

LISA"Usedbybaba, I have to remind you again that YOU are not a credible accuser"

Logic does not need credibility.If a criminal says that the sun rises in the east, will yous ay no, because you are a criminal and you do not have credibiliy I will not accept it??
Similarly the truth about baba is what we are discussing. We have heard recently of a group of cult members believing that the world is going to end and they together committed suicide.Why did they do that? because they did not have the logic to tell themselves ,If the whole world is going to die we have no choice ,but let us not assume that such and such a thing is going to happen.
Similarly if one person says (including me) nobody need to believe.instead let us analyse and find out why we should worship someon and sacrifice our whole life.If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. Sri Yukteshwar Maharaj,guru of SRi Paramahamsa yogananda (yogda satsang society and author of Autobiography of a yogi) said before you accept anyone as Guru you have all the right to check his/her credibility.
Now that is the reason I say look before you leap.He is not showing he is credible.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 06:28 AM
"In that case please find someone who is ready to speak about it. I am not.
period"

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usedbybaba,

how come you were more then ready to speak about blow jobs and touching ,but when i present you with the most simple questions ever to which answers would in no way point to your identity you back off.

You just don't know what to write regarding those 15 years of abuse.
You don't want to write about how long you stayed in Parthi... can it match with abusedfor15years??
And finally you can't find a proper explanation as to why you ,who are "1000 times more intelligent" after nauseating experience of giving sb a blow job as an adult went to him and gave it to him over and over and over again.
You can't find the proper answers.
You had no problem discussing Blow jobs, but when it comes to telling the time frame.You're left speechless.

Look at those 3 most simple questions,why would they leave a "truthful" person mute.
I'm sure You can't expect me to believe you ,if you're not willing to answer to my questions even though i answered to all of yours.





1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

Edited by author 10-17-2006 03:39 AM
You don't have guts enough to answer my questions ya coward. You lie about that too. I'm still waiting for you to act like an adult and answer my questions ya con artist. All you do is play abusive head games which is another clear sign you are a drunkard. I am more of a Hindu than you are bozo. You don't even understand your own religion or Baba. I don't believe you lived in Puttaparthi. Puttaparthi is full of miraculous happenings yet you claim you have never seen any. Yet you contradict yourself and claim you believed Sai Baba was God. Gee are you so dumb you cannot see how idiotic your contradictions are?

No, on the contrary you keep abusing others with your lies and you know I know you are a LIAR. You are the one who can't handle the truth. Baba is INNOCENT and YOU are the perpetrator of lies. You are the one with your drunken head in the sand.

As i said .you keep abusing me.nothing else.Is baba a person to be followed .He says "my life is my message" is my first question
I can see you that i have upset you with the truth.

LISA "And once again you show that you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking"

The fact is iam a hindu and you are not i was in parthi and you hawere not ,so when you cannot you just abuse and escape as i predicted.

I repeat, if you have guts try answering my simple questions and don't run away.People without matter will only abuse and not come to the point.
Wheni ask you how baba has proved in his so called Physical from that he is worth being followed,Remember he says"my life is my message"

I'll tellyou how you will answer
you will say" You dumbo are you so dumwitted that you cannot write a sentence in english,you must have fallen from a tree or something.Maybe
you dcid not understand what i said used buddy.you are so contradictory and idiotic you are caught in your own trap, blah blah blah".
AS I SAID YOU NEEDS GUTS TO SPEAK NORMALLY AND ANSWER MY QUESTION.DO YOU HAVE IT.OR ARE YOU GOING TO ABUSE AND ESCAPE????
See how logical you are Lisa By the way Sanjay is God don't abuse him and earn mor and more bad karma.

And the "main focus" here ISN'T your allegations ya arrogant drunk. The focus here is WHO is Sai Baba? According to MILLIONS of people Sai Baba is a Divine Being. Nobody even knows who you are bozo. You are a nobody who is hiding out spewing his cowardly poison on the internet because he apparently doesn't have a life and is in serious need of some reality therapy. Got that?

As far as I'm concerned YOU are the liar and abuser with criminal inclinations, usedbybaba. You have absolutely no proof of your claims. On the other hand we already have tons of proof as to your lack of character on these message boards. Gee will someone have to hunt you down by your IP # and send you a cease and desist notice?

"this topic is about SB,there's nothing more scandalous then him sexually abusing you ,that is the main focus here."
In that case please find someone who is ready to speak about it. I am not.
period

Edited by author 10-17-2006 02:44 AM
/m567

Pathetic! Sai Baba isn't misrepresenting Hinduism, YOU are bozo! You are so arrogant, contradictory and idiotic regarding your silly beliefs it is hilarious! Since you are not even rational or honest regarding your beliefs (or anything else for that matter) there is no use discussing it with you. But it is important to point out to the general public just how dishonest and ignorant you are about yourself and your so-called Hindu beliefs (see /m566), which are not really Hindu beliefs at all. You are more like a cult-like cartoon figure.

Where are all your followers, dumbo?

re /m563

On Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") blog, he said:

"Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like."

Since all the scriptures that Sanjay believes in (i.e., Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Upanishads and Ramayana) talk about (and promote belief in) reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like, these scriptures cannot be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Sanjay just refuted the sciptures that are used to determine the "acid test" of an avatar. That's what you get for opening your big mouth Sanjay. lol

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed /m272

/m566: "I'm not going to waste my time arguing..."

So why don't you get lost like people have been telling you? :-)

Re: /m566: "you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking about."

No they don't. :-)

Unless, of course, we are speaking about a minority opinion that has been humilated for centuries thanks to it's extremely weak exegesis and consistency. :-)

Have fun being a minor, lol.

So now Lisa De Witt thinks she knows more about Hinduism than I do. LOL. That's it, it's all over. She's finally up the wazoo.. :-)

I am not confused about anything. I know full well what I believe and I also know full well what Hinduism is all about. You cannot explain or understand even one iota of Sai Baba's teachings because he himself is misrepresenting Hinduism. The proof is all over my blog; just put the term "boo-boo" in the search box at the top and see what results. :-) Sai Baba can't even keep his stories straight about Radha, Krishna, Balaram, Shirdi Sai, and his moronic and barking dog devotees like Lisa hang onto every word. Lol.

Meanwhile, he's getting exposed all over the place since the 1970s Bock movies for cheating with vibhuti "miracles".

Edited by author 10-16-2006 11:56 PM
Usedbybaba, I have to remind you again that YOU are not a credible accuser. You are an obvious fabricator and gossip. The fact that you have to hide so that none can look into your claims is proof positive that you are nothing but a blatant liar. And I guess I also have to remind you that YOU started abusing people just for saying they didn't believe you so you are also a major hypocrite. Not to mention I also consider your continuous LIES about Sai Baba a form of ABUSE! You consistently try to turn things around when you are caught in your own trap. I can tell you are used to getting away with your mind games with other people and that's why you think you can do it here but it isn't going to happen. You are nothing but a con man who thinks he has learned to lie his way through life. You aren't going to con anyone this time. Your game is up. You have been had. Unless you can process your claims honestly in a legal setting you are considered a NONENTITY, got that used buddy?
And once again you show that you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking about.

Jesus once said, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

I suspect you are the one who has made up the student list claiming students were molested. I guess you are too ignorant to know some of those students have come forward and said they did NOT belong on that list, that it was a lie. This is obvious anyway as not ONE of those students had EVER previously made a public statement regarding the issue.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 12:40 AM
/m564

Dadlani, you haven't demolished ANYTHING except your own credibility. You are one of the dumbest Hindus there is! Even white people like me understand more about Hinduism than you do. You have the belief system of an evangelical Christian dumbo. You do not believe in reincarnation and neither do they. Hindus BELIEVE in reincarnation. According to your statements you do not believe in miracles EITHER (even though you claim to believe in Krishna who is renowned for His miracles)! This is an atheistic belief! You are so dumb you can't even get your belief systems to be consistent with the religion you claim to be a part of. You are so confused and contradictory about your belief systems that I do believe in the end you will end up as an atheist. This will most likely happen when you realize just how much trouble you are in as a result of your incessant lies and deviant behavior and you have to deal with some very harsh realities of life.

Re: /m548: Lisa De Witt barked thus: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu."

The main problem with Lisa De Witt's wholly ignorant and laughable rant is that her own "knowledge" of Hinduism leaves much to be desired. Based on her interpretation of Hindu tenets (that have been dealt with and demolished many a time) she thinks that she is some kind of spiritual authority in which she can tell born Hindus how orthodox they are!

Since Lisa appears to hold sacred a tenet that bespeaks of Advaitic (nondual) inclinations, I should make mention that this is a minority view. Not only is it in the minority but it has very little intellectual rigorousness to boast of and is incredibly weak. There are several different schools of "Hinduism" that have varying degrees of intellectual rigorousness and which are far stronger than Advaita. Some of these are Sri Vaishnavism, Tattvavada (Dvaita), Achintya-bheda-bheda, Pushti-margiya, Dvaitadvaita (Nimbarkis), Virashavism, Lingayat Shaivism, and many more. What to speak of different categories such as Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Sankhya, etc.

The point being that "Hinduism" is varied and made up of many different schools and it is upto the individual to decide which they want to follow. Lisa and Sai baba do not repreresent the majority view because there is no majority to speak of. Consequently Lisa is ill-equipped to determine the intellectual rigorousness of Sai Baba's teachings (which are hilarious and weak anyway) and she is similarly ill-equipped to judge who is and who isn't a "Hindu". Especially when she is an ignorant and hateful Fundamentalist Christian who knows next-to-nothing of Hinduism beyond Sai Baba's ridiculous "teachings".

However, if she continues to insist that she is correct then she may bow down and kiss my feet. I won't object.

Proof Sai Baba is NOT An Avatar

Re: /m551: Lisa very stupidly declared:

"You cannot prove that Sai Baba is not an Avatar."

Oh yes we can. There is only one way to determine who is a true avatar and who is not and it is a very, very simple way: The scriptures must predict his advent.

And why not? Sai devotees are already claiming that his advent has been predicted in scriptures. They are so greedy that they are not even satisfied with the Vedic scriptures, they insist that he is predicted in scriptures of other religions as well! What speak of so much talk of various 'naadi' scrolls that no one has ever nor which have been published.

Just one small problem: the propehecies are fake. Ergo, Sai Baba is a fake.

This is the Acid Test: If he's not indicated in the scriptures, he's not an avatar. End of.

How easy was it to prove Sai Baba is not an avatar? It took just two minutes to write this post. :-)

And while I'm on the subject, I also brought down another video from the loft which contains a copy of Richard Bock's 'Darshan - A Vision Of Reality'. Richard Bock was the premier devotee filmmaker of the 1970s and produced many movies that contains evidence of cheating on materialisations, although I don't think he ever realised it.

In this movie Sai Baba is in the 1970s with the famous 'short hair' look and because there is flashy camerawork, you can't see the whole incident in full since it is panning up and down on Sai Baba in darshan. Yet just before he proceeds to "materialise" vibhuti for someone, the camera clearly shows him taking something from out of his left hand.

This film shows that Sai Baba has been cheating on miracles since the 1970s at least, the old coot.

Speaking of cheating on videos, I remember reading a letter from James Redmond some time ago. For those who don't know, James Redmond is/was the official Sai Baba moviemaker of recent years. He was granted exclusive permission to film Sai Baba and collect footage for "darshan videos" and new movies, as well as being the near exclusive filmer of discourses. His contributions are so excellent that they even have English subtitles for the translation.

I don't know of his current devotee status but he did write a letter stating (in more or less) that he was leaving Sai baba on account of his sexual molestations and he had plenty of video evidence of his frauds. In another letter he made a specific mention about the famous "Bible materialisation" miracle of Christmass 1999 (I believe). He said that this video (filmed by him and sent to Sai Organisation worldwide) showed clear evidence that Sai Baba did not "materialise" that little book and that is was pure sleight-of-hand.

Even though I have had this video for years [:-)], I never bothered to check it out.

Recently (as of a couple of weeks ago) I went up into my loft to look for some stuff and I came across the tape, so I said I may as well check it out. Sure enough, I fast-forwarded to the place before he "materialises" the book and I couldn't believe my own eyes:

The old rascal has it in his hand the whole time

He never materialised it! We all know how he moves his hands in a circle to "materialise" anything he wants and, sure enough, he moved his hand in a circle to "materialise" this little Bible book. Trouble is, Sai Baba is too much of a show-off who relies almost exclusively on the element of surprise. People don't expect him to materialsie anything during a discourse so there is ample time for him to stun everyone with a sensational item such as a miniature Bible that he supposedly apported from it's place of irigin, some caves on the Black Sea.

The old squirt is amazing. He truly believes that no one is watching while he has the little book in his hand while he is circling his hand! The book is so miniature that he can "hide" it in his thumb. Sai Baba's usual materialisation practice involves all of his fingers (including the thumb) spread out. Well this one has four fingers and a thumb inside the palm, and behind the thumb is the book while he is pretending to materialise it.

James Redmond was right, Sai Baba is a charlatan. One more proof that he is a sham.

"I have already told you that i will never reveal my past.If you feel that you have answerd my question only for me to answer your my questions on me,
I am sorry ,I am not for that.You can answer only if you feel you want to know the truth about BABA,Because this site is about BABA and not me."

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this topic is about SB,there's nothing more scandalous then him sexually abusing you ,that is the main focus here.

Now answer these simple questions which in no way reveal your identity.
If you don't i can only assume that you're not being TRUTHFUL!

1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu

COME ON ANGEL,SHE IS SAYING BABA IS GOD IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS WORTH BEING WORSHIPPED.IS THIS ARGUMENT CORRECT.MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.MAYBE YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF HINUISM IS CONFUSING YOU.
BY THE WAY BABA GAVE THIS ARGUMENT ONCE WHEN HE WAS TALKING OF ANIMALS(STREET DOGS)
HE SAID TREAT THEM WELL BECAUSE THEY ARE GOD.BUT IF THEY COME INSIDE THE HOUSE KICK THEM OUT AND IT WILL BE GOD KICKING GOD

Angel,Can't you say .He is God Or HE is Not.
Maybe Lisa and her friends will start abusing you, is it???

If i have to answer your question,I have to give you disconnected things.
you will ask me details which i cnnot give.

you tell me how is my past going to help you.
All that will happen is help Lisa divert the attention of this forum.
I have already told you that i will never reveal my past.If you feel that you have answerd my question only for me to answer your my questions on me,
I am sorry ,I am not for that.You can answer only if you feel you want to know the truth about BABA,Because this site is about BABA and not me.

By the way i don't know why Anti-babas don't keep pestering me with questions about me. Thanks Anti-babas

 
 LISA: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

Can you answer my point without abusing

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usedbybaba what are you talking about?
She told you something logical ...in the end Brahman is all ,she didn't say "MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED".

why are you making things up,please let's focus on the REAL THING HERE,YOUUUUUUUUUUUU, HIS MOLESTATION VICTIM.

so anywayyyyyy,,,
1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

LISA: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

Can you answer my point without abusing.

Edited by author 10-16-2006 08:23 AM
"that is why i ask you, Do you have the guts to answer my question without abusing.
His so called physical life is full of crap and cheating and lies.He says that is his message to be followed.
Do you expect everyone to follow this.
If someone like mahatma Gandhi tells us his lifeis his message there is something.How can a person
1.got into murder controversy
2.has no propeer date of birth date,but tells the whole world a new date of birth.
3.Runs from people who are trying to attack him (which Avatar did that)
 did rama or krishna or jesus do that?
4.Does not reply to molestation charges?
 Be called God? and that too with"my life is my message.
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I totally get what you're s saying,he's a really controversial and suspicious person.








"I told you to answer the question : Is Sai ba is God or not?
you are saying, you don't know .
either he is or he is not .now you are trying to divert the atention by asking quetions about me."

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i have answered you honestly.I do not now,it's simple as that.
Now stop escaping 3 simple questions.I have answered to your each question,now it's time for you to do the same.
If you're being truthful you'll have no problem answering them.


1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

Edited by author 10-16-2006 07:44 AM
Abusive devotee of baba, you say "I have experienced Baba's divinity."

I say i have experinced his a molestation .both of us cannot prove our point.

that is why i ask you, Do you have the guts to answer my question without abusing.
His so called physical life is full of crap and cheating and lies.He says that is his message to be followed.
Do you expect everyone to follow this.
If someone like mahatma Gandhi tells us his lifeis his message there is something.How can a person
1.got into murder controversy
2.has no propeer date of birth date,but tells the whole world a new date of birth.
3.Runs from people who are trying to attack him (which Avatar did that)
 did rama or krishna or jesus do that?
4.Does not reply to molestation charges?
 Be called God? and that too with"my life is my message.
As far as your experiences are concerned,people have experienced God in their own Relatives like a dead Grand Father. Should we all do the same

Abuses only show that you have no answer so you are getting angry and abusing.

I told you to answer the question : Is Sai ba is God or not?
you are saying, you don't know .
either he is or he is not .now you are trying to divert the atention by asking quetions about me.

Edited by author 10-16-2006 06:18 AM
usedbybaba,
you made me answer your questions,now answer mine,just some simplistic stuff...

A devotee from childhood you say.
But it said usedbybaba for 15 years.
how were you used by baba for 15 years.
Can you explain?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Why did you give sb blow job for few times.
You said it was nauseating?
Why did you give him more?

Edited by author 10-16-2006 07:26 AM
The point is, usedbybaba that you are being VERY disingenuous and misleading regarding the God issue. Your statements indicate that you absolutely do not understand and have not studied Baba's TEACHINGS (and therefore were NEVER a devotee)!!! Thank you for showing me what a fraud you are. You have just made it all too clear!

And I guess I have to remind you that there is absolutely no PROOF of your ridiculous claims. On the other hand we do have DOCUMENTED PROOF on this and the other board of your statement discrepancies and outright lies.

Second hand stories are not proof you idiot!
And you still have no proof that this jeweller is bringing the stuff you claim. A leather bag is proof of NOTHING! The fact that you think you can play detective is laughable! You don't even have the slightest clue as to how to gather evidence! In other words, as usual, you have NO evidence. All you have is a second hand story accusing someone of something you cannot prove. Sound familiar? Just one more reason why I do not believe you are college educated. You are too gullible and dumb.

Regarding the rest of your statements you are doing nothing but playing mind games and talking nonsense. You are a VERY disingenuous and irresponsible person usedbybaba. It is VERY hypocritical of you to try to hold people to standards that you yourself are not following. You are not a role model. You are NOT a character witness usedbybaba. Character witnesses do not hide behind anonymous usernames and gossip nonstop second hand stories like girly girls.

Please get real and grow up. You are not fooling anyone with your continuous head games.

BTW, there is ALL kinds of documentation in books and on the internet about Sai Baba. Like I said, one cannot prove anything to another, one must experience. I have experienced Baba's divinity. You cannot prove that I haven't. Nor can you prove that others who say they have spiritual experiences with Him haven't. The fact that you pretend to know more than others is very disingenuous. You keep trying to set standards that you yourself cannot FOLLOW. You cannot prove that Sai Baba is not an Avatar. You cannot even prove something as SIMPLE as fraud! You are so full of hot air it is pathetic. Also, you cannot even prove who you are ya hypocrite! How dumb is that? Please engage your brain for once and think about how hypocritical you are being.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 10:14 PM
Lisa:No one can come up with any vibhuti pellets or the name of a jeweller who supposedly makes the rings or other objects Sai Baba hands out.

There are many contributors for jwels but his miain source of purchase is from a man called Aswath narayana from Anathapur (you can go to puttaparthi and watch for a short,dark man with specktacles.He always goes alone to the interview room with baba.What is the work of a jeweller with baba,every second or third week.Whenhe goes inside he woud carry a small leather bag,filled with something and comes back with an empty bag.Sanjay ,this guy has a son who told a student friend of mine that his Father was indeed the supplier(this student hailed from the same place and speak the same language using the same slang)Now this son of the jweller is for your reference.WE knew the fact that baba was being supplied by this man.After all we have and had so many boys doing "duty"in baba's room.
As far as watches there are many from Bombay atleast I know of two. I don't want to name one because his children studied there and the other person i know only by face.
Iam not here to approve or dis approve his so called omnipresence,It is as impossible to prove as his sexual molestationsand as i said earlier,I have seen people who clearly show their claivoyant skills and after that ask for money(like begger),Do we call them Avatars???
Let us not go into the direct experience thing.Even if it true it cannot be
discussed for there is no proof.

"If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

As far as the videos,any one can see that he is doing some mischief, it isvery clear in his Linga vomitting ,but those who do not want to see cannot.
I have told you that the point of dicussion is not about what happend to me and so th discussion on "usedby baba for 15 years " and all that is irrelevaent
Forget the Indian Govt.the point is what we have with us we discuss with and not somthing that is not available to us plus the indian gvt. has also got people like you and me.Talk with what we have.If lisa cannot answer point by point to my question,there is no discussion here (with her)
Lisa ,you ask the question ,marked 1 2 3 and prove that baba is GOD.
othrwise you are just wasting everyone's time.

"so-called evidence to the police or court to prove their allegations"

When she is not accepting things right in front of her,,even if she sees baba murdering someone she will say i am not sure. she has decide that he is her GOD.She can have that view and as far as i am concerned.

To repeat by your own logic you can start worshipping Sanjay and me,don't start abusing ,IT is your logic.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 08:41 PM
Usedbybaba changed his username from abusedfor15years immediately after I started questioning his timeline discrepancy on the 15 year claim. Since usedbybaba has stated that he was NOT abused until he was nineteen, this would mean he was allegedly abused from the age of 19 + 15 years or until the age of 34. This does not match usedbybaba's claim that he was a devotee as a child and changed somewhere in between since the alleged abuse did not happen until he was nineteen and he claims he let it continue (because he was allegedly a brainwashed adult) until the age of 34 before he became an ex-devotee. Apparently, usedbybaba is not very good at math.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 10:05 PM
/m530

OK, let's talk about all the lies coming out of usedbybaba's mouth.

If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu.

Usedbybaba's second lie is that Sai Baba's miracles have not been proven. Even the Indian government has documented and attested to Sai Baba's AUTHENTIC miracles (this was mentioned in Rod Serling's documentary, Man of Miracles). Besides this very important FACT, usedbybaba is so arrogant as to think that he can speak for other people, including me, who will attest to the FACT that Baba has proven his omniscience and DIVINE abilities to them from THOUSANDS of miles away. There are many of us who are smart enough, unlike usedbybaba, to create our own tests which can and have been documented. That being said, even scientific tests can be altered in any manner by unscrupulous persons (with an agenda) so the proof of authenticity must eventually come from DIRECT experience, not someone elses "test." It is ridiculous and disingenuous to think that spiritual phenomena can be attested to in any other way.

And thirdly, we have already discussed that usedbybaba is lying about the very subjective videos and besides that, video images can be altered and we have DOCUMENTED proof that the anti-Sais can and do falsely alter and scrub documents or anything else in order to further their agenda of lies. Maybe this is why the anti-Sais will not invite a neutral expert to examine their claims. Funny that they continuously demand others follow standards of PROOF they refuse to hold themselves to!

And fourthly, I have said before that fraud is a VERY easy thing to prove yet the anti-Sais have never tried to take their so-called evidence to the police or court to prove their allegations which is more proof they are lying. No one can come up with any vibhuti pellets or the name of a jeweller who supposedly makes the rings or other objects Sai Baba hands out. It is always whisper, gossip and innuendo. So what about the japamala David Bailey saw materialize and writes about in his book? Who is making those? And who is making the statues and photos (when there were no cameras around) Baba materializes? The anti-Sais want to be free to irresponsibly slander anyone they choose without proof and without repercussion and then whine like crybabies when they are called on it.

Usedbybaba is obviously a VERY dishonest fellow and a game player to boot. This is why he will not tell his story except in little bits which he appears to be making up as he goes along. You will also notice he is now renigging on the molestation issue and acknowledging that molestation cannot be proven! Now falling back on the very flimsy argument that the materializations can be proven to be fake!

Hilarious. Now you know why I call him bozo the clown.

Sai Baba Shirdi Lies or Sanjay Dadlani's Shirdi Lies?
Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 1
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 2
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 3

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-15-2006 02:36 PM
i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.

"It is a contradictory statement.you should understand that if someone is an Avatar he is God."

well i personally believe everything is God..i believe all is one,so sb and everything else including.

Now whether he's a purna avatar with a mission or if he's just a regular person i don't really know.

anyway,
how are you endangering yourself by telling me some simplistic stuff,you're just 1 outa billion people living in India?

A devotee from childhood you say.
But it said usedbybaba for 15 years.
how were you used by baba for 15 years.
Can you explain?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Why did you give sb blow job for few times.
You said it was nauseating?
Why did you give him more?

"YOU HAVE STILL NOT GIVEN A COMMITED ANSWER TO THE QUESTION :IS HE GOD OR NOT? JUST A STRAIT YES OR NO."

how the heck should i know???
i live across the globe in Croatia and I've never seen him.I have no idea who he is!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 02:16 PM
Again you are talking of sexual abuse.Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

you say: "Whether he is God or not i don't know that either."

how can you sy that ? Do you know that murders took place there.
Then Will God (that too, a God who proclaims "My Life is my message")allow murders to take place and on top of it act as a negative "example" by not talking openly and clearly about it and clear all the doubts.

He never answers any question on the accusations that are directed at him.Is this the right example.If it is not HOW CAN SUCH A PERSON WHO PREACHES SOMETHING SO WRONG BE GOD.Will you still say there is a chance that he might be God???

Angel:"how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is."

But you can say he is not God because God is Truth,Love and fearlessness and a person who is not truthful can never be God. is it not?
Do we have to doubt God's qualities or should we change our idea of God to suit such a person like Sai baba???
To me,my God is good ,loving, truthful and never hypocratic.and I think it is be the same for everyone.
So even if baba, so to say, flies up in the sky,he will be a Ghost and not GOD.
YOU HAVE STILL NOT GIVEN A COMMITED ANSWER TO THE QUESTION :IS HE GOD OR NOT? JUST A STRAIT YES OR NO.

i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.
It is a contradictory statement.you should understand that if someone is an Avatar he is God.

He molested me is true. but when i registered there were two columns (first and last name and i simply filled those not knowing that they will be displayed.
I cannot clarify more than this.
i was a devotee from childhood and changed somwhre in the middle when i was in parthi.
but tell me how does this help in our discussion.
I have been telling you that i cannot endanger myself by revealing too much about myself, but you continue to ask me questions about myself.

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:44 PM
"Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

but that's the most awful thing of all ,sexual abuse.
i don't perceive God as a person so if he's an avatar or not is pretty irrelevant to me.
I'm just shocked that he molested you.
Could you please tell me what does "abused for 15 years" stand for in your user name on yahoo?
You were his devotee for 15 years despite the abuse or ...??
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:34 PM
Good that you replied.
Again you are talking of sexual abuse.Forget it,that cannot be proved easily.but we can prove his "non godliness"

you say: "Whether he is God or not i don't know that either."

how can you sy that ? Do you know that murders took place there.
Then Will God (that too, a God who proclaims "My Life is my message")allow murders to take place and on top of it act as a negative "example" by not talking openly and clearly about it and clear all the doubts.

He never answers any question on the accusations that are directed at him.Is this the right example.If it is not HOW CAN SUCH A PERSON WHO PREACHES SOMETHING SO WRONG BE GOD.Will you still say there is a chance that he might be God???

Angel:"how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is."

But you can say he is not God because God is Truth,Love and fearlessness and a person who is not truthful can never be God. is it not?
Do we have to doubt God's qualities or should we change our idea of God to suit such a person like Sai baba???
To me,my God is good ,loving, truthful and never hypocratic.and I think it is be the same for everyone.
So even if baba, so to say, flies up in the sky,he will be a Ghost and not GOD.

"I'm just interested in some basic facts of your case so that i can get a better picture of how his abuse works and the profile of his victims."

I can give you a clear idea,without giving you my story.believing it or not, is your problem.Because even if i give you my story, you can decide not to believe it.

My whole family knows what happened to me .but only that i was abused.It is very embarrsing and too shocking.we don't talk about it.
and No I did not go to a psychiatrist.There are many boys who are still acting as though they are devotees because they don't have the courage to face the consequences both within their family and outside.Even I don't tell devotees that i am against baba when i meet some of them(occassionally I meet them).

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:05 PM
Please usedbybaba i answered to all of your questions,now it's your turn ,please answer mine!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 12:01 PM
"DIRECT ANSWER TO MY POINTED QUESTION.
If they say baba is god,Are they not morally resposible to prove it(If they don't try to prove it, they will be guilty of promoting a Cheat to millions of gullible people .I am ready to prove otherwise."

"AS mentioned above Angel has not replied clearly in any of his messagesabout my second question.(the first one was very easy)"


what answer i don't understand?
I'm answering to ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS!

how can i prove that he is God if i don't know what he is .I don't get what you're saying?
I'm trying to find that out,that's why i am here and i'm ready to hear you ,his sexual victim.

NO i certainly don't think he's God if he sexually abused you and if he's involved in that 1993 thing.No way.
That's the worst thing,to sexually exploit students and children in such way.I'm really sorry that he did that to you.
 
i saw the videos and yes it appears sometimes as he's holding or transferring something i admit,whether he's cheating or not that i don't know.


"should he not come out openly about the controversies surrounding him??"

YES HE SHOULD,he totally SHOULD!

 
I'm just interested in some basic facts of your case so that i can get a better picture of how his abuse works and the profile of his victims.

Could you please tell me what does "abused for 15 years" stand for in your user name on yahoo?
You were his devotee for 15 years despite the abuse or ...??
Did you tell your parents about it and do they believe you?
for how many years were you in his college?
How old were you when you started your course there and how old when you finished and left ?
Have you confided to anyone about this,to a psychiatrist maybe,your siblings?
Thanks!

Edited by author 10-15-2006 11:56 AM
This is what i wrote: Here is my prediction.Angel will not give a clear reply or keep quite for some time and Lisa or some one else will start calling me names.Or one of them will try divert the topic by answering the most silly points in my message.
So let them answer(only if they want to speak the truth) the question -

AS mentioned above Angel has not replied clearly in any of his messagesabout my second question.(the first one was very easy)

Now as i predicted earlier they will "keep quite for some time".that is this phase and as s