Edited by author 10-17-2006 11:17 PM
/m590

Trust Gerald 'HoMo'reno to twist my statements completely out of context to suit his desultory purposes. What else can we expect from a proven intellectually dishonest liar? Perhaps we need to drill it into his thick head a second time; My blog is specifically written for the layman who probably doesn't know Sai Baba from Adam. That is the main reason why all of my articles are written as 'simple' as possible so that even a child can understand. I have also stated in my blog in several places that, despite my Gaudiya Vaishnava religion, I will not be arguing my points against Sai Baba from the viewpoint of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Although I can do so very easily since it gives me plenty of ammunition, but it is unfair to launch a sectarian attack. :-)

Consequently I write for the 'layman' who may very well be an atheist and have no knowledge of Hindu/Vedantic philosophy and who can easily understand whatever it is that I am saying. As such, "sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like". Anyone with even half a brain can understand this point, but not Homoreno, oh no! He will find yet another way to twist this until it is unrecognisable, tsk tsk.

Homoreno accuses me (on other forums) of "cherry-picking" my sources when he does the exact same thing by paying undue attention to one sentence in a five-part series of articles. Talk about intellectual dishonesty with a generous helping of hypocrisy!

Joe Moreno EXPOSED! /m269

Dear Angel,
I will give you some details. Why? because I thought you are actually enticing me to tell some details and then maybe use it to get me in trouble. Now in the morning ,when I got up my heart told me that I need not fear you or anyone and I am getting a reassurance every time I am thinking of it.. If it happens to me I know that it is God’s voice (that has been my experience).I have also stopped abusing anyone including BaBa because of the same voice. I have learnt to forgive him too. Not that I am going to believe him ,but my inner feeing told me that for my own sake I have to forgive people.
Now coming to your questions. (I know that Lisa is going to ruthlessly abuse me usning my own words and that was one reason that I did not speak)
!.for nearly three years baba did not bother about me.During these years I was brain washed about Baba by my own faith being a fertile ground for growing my faith with tremendous input through Discourses, Students who were as devoted as me or more and the total Ambience.. This period makes you yearn for BaBa .Even during this period ,I saw Students who had been there before I joined behaving without any sense of so called Discipline, for reasons not understood by us. They would crack sex jokes etc.,. (period when I heard of Lallu Panju). Then when Baba started talking to me it was very very important thing in my life and all he did was told me to remove my pant and applied the oil below the solar plexes. Then he told me to take pada namaskar and when I tried to get up he would not allow me ,meaning he wanted me to go to his thing. by that time he had kissed me on the mouth and all that. Because of my faith it was a spiritual experience for me .My fear of thinking of sex in front of the Almighty etc., was gone. So I took it as an expeience.The next time he called me , I had just taken a cold shower and he caught my penis and the heat of his hand made it stand erect, But Baba was obviously very happy.He was all smiles. Now this handling of my thing went on for a few years and I thought he was purifying me or something beyond my comprehension. He did not do anything because I was not co-operate in the way he was expecting ,but I was very obviously very devoted and my faith was increasing .Seeing me innocently trusting him unlike the others who were either happily joining him or running away from parthi, he waited for me to get caught in his place.(Don’t ask me how?) Once I was caught he slowly started troubling me, but even here my innocence and faith in him saved me to a large extent. He compelled me to do the blow job and I was totally confused. He was giving me signals as though it is ok to be a homo .It was repulsive but God was telling me. I cannot tell you all the details because some of my friends know the details nd my way of expressing the same. Lisa said Baba must be having the knack of finding the dumb ones . the fact is he tries two to three new persons every month and it is we who decide what to do and I was dumb but there were many who were smart to use or go away. As far as the 15 years is concerned ,I lived more than that in Parthi and When I was supposed to fill the area of first name ,Second name and so on I just filled not knowing it will be displayed and to my own surprise. I haope you won’t lose your sleep over this.I feel you are sincere ,So let me reiterate. All the Molestation Charges are absolutely true, but some think it is the inexplicable way of God. When I was confused about things ,I met and Indian American ,to whom I had confessed, he told me that he had heard these accusations and was praying to know the truth and at that time I had confessed to him. Together we came out of thee rut mentally. I had to stay there for some more time and then was very happy to leave.
I cannot tell you when I came out becaus Every year except the boys who normally finish their cousre,among those who stayed longer,for more than a decade or so, only one or two persons come out and they can identify me.

re /m587 & /m588
Poor Sanjay (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"). He must be pulling his hair out by now. lol

First of all I never claimed that people who believe in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like are are not "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people. Sanjay was the person who made this claim. Sanjay said:

Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like.

Funny enough, since Sanjay and his Scriptures promote belief in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like, one is left to wonder why Sanjay (a fanatic miracle monger) would claim that such people are NOT "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth"?

Sanjay attempted to clarify his position (got to give him points for trying):

My sentence was clearly intended for the consumption of people who do not believe in reincarnation, etc. It does not reflect my own personal beliefs.

Now, Sanjay is telling us that for those who do not believe in reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous phenomena and the like, that he, his Hare Krishna Gurus (Srila Prabhupada and Srila Gour Govinda Swami), his Hindu Scriptures (Vedas, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Ramayana, Upanishads, etc) ALL should not be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Talk about shooting one's self in the foot TWICE! lol

I think a quote from Alan Kazlev (Sanjay's newfound friend) is called for. Kazlev called Sanjay a "adolescent f*ckhead" (Ref). lol

Sanjay Dadlani: Fully Exposed: /m272

Lisa, even though Sai Baba says that you are a dog and you insist on barking like one, I'd say you are getting much closer to attaining your true nature now that you acknowledge yourself as behaving like a ferret. Close, but there's some way to go yet.

Why don't you lay your cards on the table and tell everyone why you believe in Sai Baba as God? Since you are in a minority in the world population, the whole world is waiting for your answer since you are the curiosity here, not the other way around.

And while you're racking your two brain cells trying to think of an answer that will make you look all smart and scholarly (but will fail as usual), you can try quitting it with the school playground behaviour when you ridiculously assert that you know more about Hinduism than born Hindus. Get a reality check, honey, you don't know jack! :-)

Stop behaving like a silly child.

/m570:

Gerald 'HoMo'reno has, in many places (even on Wikipedia) decried psychic and paranormal phenomena like reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like.

Yet he openly professes his faith in Sai Baba (/m385) who, hilariously enough, is a complete believer in reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings, aliens, UFOs, and much more!

That's what you get for shooting yourself in your smelly feet, Homoreno! Lol.

Joe Moreno EXPOSED! /m269

Edited by author 10-17-2006 10:08 PM
Re /m570:

"On Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") blog, he said:

    "Sensible and rational people who are logical and down-to-earth do not believe in things like reincarnation, spirit possession, miraculous materialisations and the like."


Since all the scriptures that Sanjay believes in (i.e., Vedas, Puranas, Mahabharata, Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Upanishads and Ramayana) talk about (and promote belief in) reincarnation, spirit possessions, miraculous materializations, ghosts, miracles, demons, psychic powers, black magic, shape-shifters, angelic beings and the like, these scriptures cannot be believed by "sensible", "rational", "logical" or "down-to-earth" people!

Sanjay just refuted the sciptures that are used to determine the "acid test" of an avatar. That's what you get for opening your big mouth Sanjay. lol"

Is Gerald 'HoMo'reno THICK Or Something?

My sentence was clearly intended for the consumption of people who do not believe in reincarnation, etc. It does not reflect my own personal beliefs. Unbelievable that such a thick person like Homoreno cannot understand such a simple thing. In fact, my entire blog is written in an "impartial" way since 'innocent' people are the target audience.

Tough luck Handbag! Please try again. :-)


P.S. And, as usual, neither of the two goons (Homoreno and Lisa) answered the point about the 'acid test'. The 'Acid Test' to determine avatarhood are predictions in the scriptures. Sai Baba is not predicted as an avatar in the scriptures, ergo he is a fraud. Very simple. It's all over. :-)

Edited by author 10-17-2006 07:28 PM
Usedbybaba, you have already claimed you believed Baba was God (and, according to you, that is why you gave him blow jobs) and now you are backtracking and saying he has to prove himself to you! Gee, can't you see how this makes you look like a liar?
Personally, I could care less whether you believe he is God or not. My job is to determine whether your statements are consistent and at this point they do not appear to be consistant all. When one combines that with the fact that you have ZERO corroborative witnesses and ZERO evidence of your claims, it is not hard to come to the conclusion that you are NOT a truthful person.
You have YET to tell us, even though you have been asked SEVERAL times, just WHY you believed Sai Baba was God.

You are the one playing with peoples emotions buddy. We are trying to ferret out the truth here and you keep jumping around the questions yet claiming you are answering them!

And quit your whining. You are just as abusive, if not more so, than anyone here with all your threats and mind games. You are using it as a poor excuse not to have to answer questions.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 02:04 PM
"Did I ?
Extremely sorry. That is another reason that i should not talk about my life and play with your emotions.
Angle"nobody needs to prove anything." so i need not prove whether i was abused or not. Or is this rule only for baba."

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To me it doesn't make any sense that a sexually abused victim would speak of it's abuser like that, as if you're just a regular person.

this is what you said:






"If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. "
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That person sexually molested you ,so your abuser doesn't need to prove anything to you, you already know everything and you have no reason to be interested in getting to know the truth ,since you already now it ALL.
 
you NEED to be obsessed talking about him molesting you and WARNING other people .








"the onus is on him to prove it to us. "
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BUT I THOUGHT YOU GAVE HIM A BLOW JOB FOR A FEW TIMES?????
WHAT DO YOU CARE??


it just doesn't make sense,That you're into such "general discussions" about your abuser.






"Because it will only put me in trouble and I cannot prove anything.As I said earlier it is my word Vs Babas or yours.So I want to discuss it from a normal person's point of view."
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what trouble,again you make no sense.
It would only make you look incredible if the time frame wouldn't fit your earlier stories.




"You say you answered all my questions DID you?? no. you answered only one question."
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No, you're blatantly lying.I answered to ALL of your questions.







"By the way thi swill be my last reply to you if you insist on discussing ME."
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Hello!!!
you are a sexually molested victim,what else is there to discuss.
Sb's message??????? ....No, we can discuss that after we sort things out about your case.

At this point you just seem as a disingenuous person ,unwilling to reciprocate by answering to some simple most basic questions.
Like i said you're blatantly lying ..you know very well i answered honestly to all of your questions.I feel used and cheated .
You demanded that i answer...I did ,because i expected you'd answer back to me,but you refuse , by giving some lame excuses that JUST DON'T HOLD WATER.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 10:04 AM
Angel"How dare you play with people's emotions??
how dare you?"

Did I ?
Extremely sorry. That is another reason that i should not talk about my life and play with your emotions.
Angle"nobody needs to prove anything." so i need not prove whether i was abused or not. Or is this rule only for baba.

Angle"You're interested in generally discussing Sai Baba as if you're just a regular person,not a sexually abused victim."

Because it will only put me in trouble and I cannot prove anything.As I said earlier it is my word Vs Babas or yours.So I want to discuss it from a normal person's point of view.
You say you answered all my questions DID you?? no. you answered only one question.
By the way thi swill be my last reply to you if you insist on discussing ME.
All I acn say ,I did not lie but was not puorosely clear.There might be some which might be even anachronical but not untrue.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 04:03 PM
If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. Sri Yukteshwar Maharaj,guru of SRi Paramahamsa yogananda (yogda satsang society and author of Autobiography of a yogi) said before you accept anyone as Guru you have all the right to check his/her credibility.
Now that is the reason I say look before you leap.He is not showing he is credible.

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why are you mentioning OTHER GURUS ,what are you talking about,nobody needs to prove anything to you.
You were sexually abused by sai baba don't you remember?
what interest do yo have in discussing sb's credibility and his "message" in general.You gave him a "blow job".

You're interested in generally discussing Sai Baba(your abuser) as if you're just a regular person,not his sexually abused victim.
something doesn't make sense here.





"you will be wasting your time by trieng to get an answer from me."
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usedbybaba i answered to all of your questions!
why don't you answer mine?

you're not fair ,you asked me all kind of questions but you fail to respond to mine.
what kind of a logic is that?

Please don't tell me you lied about this and you personally weren't sexually abused by sb.
Did i waste my energy for nothing?
Did you lie about this?
What kind of a person are you.
Did you deceive me?
What gives you the right??
How dare you play with people's emotions??
how dare you?

Lisa"You don't have guts enough to answer my questions ya coward"
Thankyou for proving me correct by your abuse.By the way have you ever asked questions about Baba and your logical conclusion that he is God/Avatar.Surprising.

Angel"You can't find the proper answers.
You had no problem discussing Blow jobs, but when it comes to telling the time frame.You're left speechless."

Yes i am speechless and i can't find the proper answer.I had no problems discussing the "blow job" then,Now I have problems.You have won the argument, fine.
Dear angel is it not funny that you tell me the whole thing is a waste but you want us to discuss the waste again and again.you will be wasting your time by trieng to get an answer from me.Instead you can try the other forums and I think i recognise some students there.May God bless you

LISA"Usedbybaba, I have to remind you again that YOU are not a credible accuser"

Logic does not need credibility.If a criminal says that the sun rises in the east, will yous ay no, because you are a criminal and you do not have credibiliy I will not accept it??
Similarly the truth about baba is what we are discussing. We have heard recently of a group of cult members believing that the world is going to end and they together committed suicide.Why did they do that? because they did not have the logic to tell themselves ,If the whole world is going to die we have no choice ,but let us not assume that such and such a thing is going to happen.
Similarly if one person says (including me) nobody need to believe.instead let us analyse and find out why we should worship someon and sacrifice our whole life.If a person is God, the onus is on him to prove it to us. Sri Yukteshwar Maharaj,guru of SRi Paramahamsa yogananda (yogda satsang society and author of Autobiography of a yogi) said before you accept anyone as Guru you have all the right to check his/her credibility.
Now that is the reason I say look before you leap.He is not showing he is credible.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 06:28 AM
"In that case please find someone who is ready to speak about it. I am not.
period"

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usedbybaba,

how come you were more then ready to speak about blow jobs and touching ,but when i present you with the most simple questions ever to which answers would in no way point to your identity you back off.

You just don't know what to write regarding those 15 years of abuse.
You don't want to write about how long you stayed in Parthi... can it match with abusedfor15years??
And finally you can't find a proper explanation as to why you ,who are "1000 times more intelligent" after nauseating experience of giving sb a blow job as an adult went to him and gave it to him over and over and over again.
You can't find the proper answers.
You had no problem discussing Blow jobs, but when it comes to telling the time frame.You're left speechless.

Look at those 3 most simple questions,why would they leave a "truthful" person mute.
I'm sure You can't expect me to believe you ,if you're not willing to answer to my questions even though i answered to all of yours.





1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

Edited by author 10-17-2006 03:39 AM
You don't have guts enough to answer my questions ya coward. You lie about that too. I'm still waiting for you to act like an adult and answer my questions ya con artist. All you do is play abusive head games which is another clear sign you are a drunkard. I am more of a Hindu than you are bozo. You don't even understand your own religion or Baba. I don't believe you lived in Puttaparthi. Puttaparthi is full of miraculous happenings yet you claim you have never seen any. Yet you contradict yourself and claim you believed Sai Baba was God. Gee are you so dumb you cannot see how idiotic your contradictions are?