Re: /m566: "you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking about."

No they don't. :-)

Unless, of course, we are speaking about a minority opinion that has been humilated for centuries thanks to it's extremely weak exegesis and consistency. :-)

Have fun being a minor, lol.

So now Lisa De Witt thinks she knows more about Hinduism than I do. LOL. That's it, it's all over. She's finally up the wazoo.. :-)

I am not confused about anything. I know full well what I believe and I also know full well what Hinduism is all about. You cannot explain or understand even one iota of Sai Baba's teachings because he himself is misrepresenting Hinduism. The proof is all over my blog; just put the term "boo-boo" in the search box at the top and see what results. :-) Sai Baba can't even keep his stories straight about Radha, Krishna, Balaram, Shirdi Sai, and his moronic and barking dog devotees like Lisa hang onto every word. Lol.

Meanwhile, he's getting exposed all over the place since the 1970s Bock movies for cheating with vibhuti "miracles".

Edited by author 10-16-2006 11:56 PM
Usedbybaba, I have to remind you again that YOU are not a credible accuser. You are an obvious fabricator and gossip. The fact that you have to hide so that none can look into your claims is proof positive that you are nothing but a blatant liar. And I guess I also have to remind you that YOU started abusing people just for saying they didn't believe you so you are also a major hypocrite. Not to mention I also consider your continuous LIES about Sai Baba a form of ABUSE! You consistently try to turn things around when you are caught in your own trap. I can tell you are used to getting away with your mind games with other people and that's why you think you can do it here but it isn't going to happen. You are nothing but a con man who thinks he has learned to lie his way through life. You aren't going to con anyone this time. Your game is up. You have been had. Unless you can process your claims honestly in a legal setting you are considered a NONENTITY, got that used buddy?
And once again you show that you do not understand Baba or Hinduism's teachings regarding ALL being Brahman. I'm not going to waste my time arguing about it with two ignorant people (you and Dadlani). Authentic Hindus know what I am talking about.

Jesus once said, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

I suspect you are the one who has made up the student list claiming students were molested. I guess you are too ignorant to know some of those students have come forward and said they did NOT belong on that list, that it was a lie. This is obvious anyway as not ONE of those students had EVER previously made a public statement regarding the issue.

Edited by author 10-17-2006 12:40 AM
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Dadlani, you haven't demolished ANYTHING except your own credibility. You are one of the dumbest Hindus there is! Even white people like me understand more about Hinduism than you do. You have the belief system of an evangelical Christian dumbo. You do not believe in reincarnation and neither do they. Hindus BELIEVE in reincarnation. According to your statements you do not believe in miracles EITHER (even though you claim to believe in Krishna who is renowned for His miracles)! This is an atheistic belief! You are so dumb you can't even get your belief systems to be consistent with the religion you claim to be a part of. You are so confused and contradictory about your belief systems that I do believe in the end you will end up as an atheist. This will most likely happen when you realize just how much trouble you are in as a result of your incessant lies and deviant behavior and you have to deal with some very harsh realities of life.

Re: /m548: Lisa De Witt barked thus: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu."

The main problem with Lisa De Witt's wholly ignorant and laughable rant is that her own "knowledge" of Hinduism leaves much to be desired. Based on her interpretation of Hindu tenets (that have been dealt with and demolished many a time) she thinks that she is some kind of spiritual authority in which she can tell born Hindus how orthodox they are!

Since Lisa appears to hold sacred a tenet that bespeaks of Advaitic (nondual) inclinations, I should make mention that this is a minority view. Not only is it in the minority but it has very little intellectual rigorousness to boast of and is incredibly weak. There are several different schools of "Hinduism" that have varying degrees of intellectual rigorousness and which are far stronger than Advaita. Some of these are Sri Vaishnavism, Tattvavada (Dvaita), Achintya-bheda-bheda, Pushti-margiya, Dvaitadvaita (Nimbarkis), Virashavism, Lingayat Shaivism, and many more. What to speak of different categories such as Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Sankhya, etc.

The point being that "Hinduism" is varied and made up of many different schools and it is upto the individual to decide which they want to follow. Lisa and Sai baba do not repreresent the majority view because there is no majority to speak of. Consequently Lisa is ill-equipped to determine the intellectual rigorousness of Sai Baba's teachings (which are hilarious and weak anyway) and she is similarly ill-equipped to judge who is and who isn't a "Hindu". Especially when she is an ignorant and hateful Fundamentalist Christian who knows next-to-nothing of Hinduism beyond Sai Baba's ridiculous "teachings".

However, if she continues to insist that she is correct then she may bow down and kiss my feet. I won't object.

Proof Sai Baba is NOT An Avatar

Re: /m551: Lisa very stupidly declared:

"You cannot prove that Sai Baba is not an Avatar."

Oh yes we can. There is only one way to determine who is a true avatar and who is not and it is a very, very simple way: The scriptures must predict his advent.

And why not? Sai devotees are already claiming that his advent has been predicted in scriptures. They are so greedy that they are not even satisfied with the Vedic scriptures, they insist that he is predicted in scriptures of other religions as well! What speak of so much talk of various 'naadi' scrolls that no one has ever nor which have been published.

Just one small problem: the propehecies are fake. Ergo, Sai Baba is a fake.

This is the Acid Test: If he's not indicated in the scriptures, he's not an avatar. End of.

How easy was it to prove Sai Baba is not an avatar? It took just two minutes to write this post. :-)

And while I'm on the subject, I also brought down another video from the loft which contains a copy of Richard Bock's 'Darshan - A Vision Of Reality'. Richard Bock was the premier devotee filmmaker of the 1970s and produced many movies that contains evidence of cheating on materialisations, although I don't think he ever realised it.

In this movie Sai Baba is in the 1970s with the famous 'short hair' look and because there is flashy camerawork, you can't see the whole incident in full since it is panning up and down on Sai Baba in darshan. Yet just before he proceeds to "materialise" vibhuti for someone, the camera clearly shows him taking something from out of his left hand.

This film shows that Sai Baba has been cheating on miracles since the 1970s at least, the old coot.

Speaking of cheating on videos, I remember reading a letter from James Redmond some time ago. For those who don't know, James Redmond is/was the official Sai Baba moviemaker of recent years. He was granted exclusive permission to film Sai Baba and collect footage for "darshan videos" and new movies, as well as being the near exclusive filmer of discourses. His contributions are so excellent that they even have English subtitles for the translation.

I don't know of his current devotee status but he did write a letter stating (in more or less) that he was leaving Sai baba on account of his sexual molestations and he had plenty of video evidence of his frauds. In another letter he made a specific mention about the famous "Bible materialisation" miracle of Christmass 1999 (I believe). He said that this video (filmed by him and sent to Sai Organisation worldwide) showed clear evidence that Sai Baba did not "materialise" that little book and that is was pure sleight-of-hand.

Even though I have had this video for years [:-)], I never bothered to check it out.

Recently (as of a couple of weeks ago) I went up into my loft to look for some stuff and I came across the tape, so I said I may as well check it out. Sure enough, I fast-forwarded to the place before he "materialises" the book and I couldn't believe my own eyes:

The old rascal has it in his hand the whole time

He never materialised it! We all know how he moves his hands in a circle to "materialise" anything he wants and, sure enough, he moved his hand in a circle to "materialise" this little Bible book. Trouble is, Sai Baba is too much of a show-off who relies almost exclusively on the element of surprise. People don't expect him to materialsie anything during a discourse so there is ample time for him to stun everyone with a sensational item such as a miniature Bible that he supposedly apported from it's place of irigin, some caves on the Black Sea.

The old squirt is amazing. He truly believes that no one is watching while he has the little book in his hand while he is circling his hand! The book is so miniature that he can "hide" it in his thumb. Sai Baba's usual materialisation practice involves all of his fingers (including the thumb) spread out. Well this one has four fingers and a thumb inside the palm, and behind the thumb is the book while he is pretending to materialise it.

James Redmond was right, Sai Baba is a charlatan. One more proof that he is a sham.

"I have already told you that i will never reveal my past.If you feel that you have answerd my question only for me to answer your my questions on me,
I am sorry ,I am not for that.You can answer only if you feel you want to know the truth about BABA,Because this site is about BABA and not me."

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this topic is about SB,there's nothing more scandalous then him sexually abusing you ,that is the main focus here.

Now answer these simple questions which in no way reveal your identity.
If you don't i can only assume that you're not being TRUTHFUL!

1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism. So this is usedbybaba's first lie. One can tell that usedbybaba did not understand this or he would not be talking such nonsense. Other cultures may not understand the significance of usedbybaba's total ignorance in this regard but to devout Hindu's this is a red flag which shows that usedbybaba most likely has not been raised as a Hindu and may be from a different religion. At the very least, usedbybaba is certainly NOT an orthodox Hindu

COME ON ANGEL,SHE IS SAYING BABA IS GOD IN THE SENSE THAT HE IS WORTH BEING WORSHIPPED.IS THIS ARGUMENT CORRECT.MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.MAYBE YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF HINUISM IS CONFUSING YOU.
BY THE WAY BABA GAVE THIS ARGUMENT ONCE WHEN HE WAS TALKING OF ANIMALS(STREET DOGS)
HE SAID TREAT THEM WELL BECAUSE THEY ARE GOD.BUT IF THEY COME INSIDE THE HOUSE KICK THEM OUT AND IT WILL BE GOD KICKING GOD

Angel,Can't you say .He is God Or HE is Not.
Maybe Lisa and her friends will start abusing you, is it???

If i have to answer your question,I have to give you disconnected things.
you will ask me details which i cnnot give.

you tell me how is my past going to help you.
All that will happen is help Lisa divert the attention of this forum.
I have already told you that i will never reveal my past.If you feel that you have answerd my question only for me to answer your my questions on me,
I am sorry ,I am not for that.You can answer only if you feel you want to know the truth about BABA,Because this site is about BABA and not me.

By the way i don't know why Anti-babas don't keep pestering me with questions about me. Thanks Anti-babas

 
 LISA: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

Can you answer my point without abusing

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usedbybaba what are you talking about?
She told you something logical ...in the end Brahman is all ,she didn't say "MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED".

why are you making things up,please let's focus on the REAL THING HERE,YOUUUUUUUUUUUU, HIS MOLESTATION VICTIM.

so anywayyyyyy,,,
1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

LISA: "If usedbybaba were a devout Hindu, he would understand that the MAIN precept of Hinduism is that God or Brahman is ALL, therefore Sai Baba IS God as is everyone else according to Hinduism."
ho,ho,so you have come to the point finally.SO ACCORDING TO YOU ,A THIEF AND MURDERER CAN ALSO BE WORDHIPPED,AFTERALL HE IS GOD.Hey are we all ready to worship Hitler and in your case you are Lisa talking to a GOD who you hate (that's me).Can you worship me.After all I am also GOD.

Can you answer my point without abusing.

Edited by author 10-16-2006 08:23 AM
"that is why i ask you, Do you have the guts to answer my question without abusing.
His so called physical life is full of crap and cheating and lies.He says that is his message to be followed.
Do you expect everyone to follow this.
If someone like mahatma Gandhi tells us his lifeis his message there is something.How can a person
1.got into murder controversy
2.has no propeer date of birth date,but tells the whole world a new date of birth.
3.Runs from people who are trying to attack him (which Avatar did that)
 did rama or krishna or jesus do that?
4.Does not reply to molestation charges?
 Be called God? and that too with"my life is my message.
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I totally get what you're s saying,he's a really controversial and suspicious person.








"I told you to answer the question : Is Sai ba is God or not?
you are saying, you don't know .
either he is or he is not .now you are trying to divert the atention by asking quetions about me."

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i have answered you honestly.I do not now,it's simple as that.
Now stop escaping 3 simple questions.I have answered to your each question,now it's time for you to do the same.
If you're being truthful you'll have no problem answering them.


1)How were you used by baba for 15 years?


2)How old were you when you started your course in his college and how old when you finished and left ?

3)You said it was nauseating giving SB a blow job,why did you do it few more times?

Edited by author 10-16-2006 07:44 AM
Abusive devotee of baba, you say "I have experienced Baba's divinity."

I say i have experinced his a molestation .both of us cannot prove our point.

that is why i ask you, Do you have the guts to answer my question without abusing.
His so called physical life is full of crap and cheating and lies.He says that is his message to be followed.
Do you expect everyone to follow this.
If someone like mahatma Gandhi tells us his lifeis his message there is something.How can a person
1.got into murder controversy
2.has no propeer date of birth date,but tells the whole world a new date of birth.
3.Runs from people who are trying to attack him (which Avatar did that)
 did rama or krishna or jesus do that?
4.Does not reply to molestation charges?
 Be called God? and that too with"my life is my message.
As far as your experiences are concerned,people have experienced God in their own Relatives like a dead Grand Father. Should we all do the same

Abuses only show that you have no answer so you are getting angry and abusing.

I told you to answer the question : Is Sai ba is God or not?
you are saying, you don't know .
either he is or he is not .now you are trying to divert the atention by asking quetions about me.