you ignore evrything that i ask and you want me to answer your question. Answer my questions and don't try to help the fanatics attack all the anti sais.
  Tell me WHY ARE YOU OBSSED WITH THIS GROUP WHEN YOU HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN BABA????
  why do you always ask directing questions,obviously wanting the fanatics to take the cue??
  what happend to Sai bab discussion???
   
  Tell me the truth ,Areyou also the paid for doing this???
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Edited by author 03-02-2008 12:22 AM
/m458

Sanjay is trying to mislead people once again (as USUAL), or is he just a dumbloon? The public documentation shows VERY clearly that Sai Baba met with a GROUP of people, one of whom was a devotee. That person was Idi Amin's DOCTOR, by the name of Patel and was the reason Sai Baba went to Africa in the first place to warn Patel to LEAVE. Patel did not heed Sai Baba's warning and barely escaped with his life after Amin kicked all Indians out of the country.

This is the PERECT example as to how Sanjay's criminal mind works to package and distort information.


Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:44 PM
Contrary to what some zombie dumbloons assert, Sathya Sai Baba did meet with Idi Amin during the former's one and only trip abroad to Africa in 1968. Amin later seized power in a bloody coup and is believed to have ordered the murder of an estimated 300,000 Ugandan citizens and expelling thousands of Asians (Indians) out of Uganda. That is, when he was not openly indulging in his cannibalistic habit of gorging on human headskins and raw brains which he had declared to be his favourite food!

Proof? They posed for a photo. :-)

In 1968, Amin was a Chief of Staff and had not yet seized power. He met Sathya Sai baba and posed for a photo along with two (or more) of his wives.

I need to find that book with the picture in it, just so I can scan it and put it on my blog. :-) It's not looking good, ya know! :-)

/m455: Ha ha ha ha, I can't believe this. Lisa De Witt is actually questioning my sources in message /m451! LOL this is gonna be easy since it is already typed out on my blog.

Here is the reference for Sai Baba's authorising Kasturi:

"He placed his hand on my shoulder. He stood facing me. I could see my image in those eyes. 'Have the wedding at Puttaparthi. Come and tell me whatever you need. And.... after retiring from the University, stay with me. You can write my Jiva Charithra, Biography,' He said. 'Me?' I ejaculated.
"'Yes I shall tell you whom to consult for details - parents, brothers, kinsmen, neighbours, teachers etc. I shall also help.'" - Loving God, p. 89. (Kasturi's own autobiography)

Here is the reference where Sai Baba stated in public that there was no scorpion bite:

"You might have heard some people say that I became Sai Baba when a scorpion stung me! Well, I challenge any one of you to get stung by scorpions and transform yourself into Sai Baba. No, the scorpion had nothing to do with it! In fact, there was no scorpion at all!" - 23 February 1958

And here is Kasturi dozily referring to the scorpion bite in the first volume of Sathyam Sivam Sundaram, published a mere two years later:

"On March 8th, 1940, the whole town was shocked to hear that a big black scorpion had stung Sathya. There is a belief current in Uravakonda and the surrounding country that no one will survive a snakebite or scorpion sting in the place, because of the many-hooded serpent stone that has given the name to the place. The rock looks as if a serpent has raised its head to strike its poison fangs and hence, the dread superstition has gained currency. It was about seven o'clock, at dusk, and Sathya leaped with a shriek, holding the right toe!"

Lol.

Lisa, stop trying to change the subject when you have run out of arguments or coherent points to make. Whenever you have a lack of argument, you inevitably start with the ad-hominem attacks and personal below-the-belt stuff like the uncivilised person you are. Your sordid history is well known. And by the way, stop talking about "stalking women" etc when you have no proof to support that claim. And before you go off into a frenzy quoting Homoreno, he ha sno proof to support his claims either. Not that it is relevant to Sai Baba but it doesn't harm to distract the discussion, does it? :-)

Why are you sticking your nose into my business, what does it matter to you if I have a girlfriend or a wife or whatnot? Concentrate on your own love life and dildo games with your lesbian partner and keep your nose out of mine, thanks. Yes, we know that you are a lesbian.

I already stated that the source of my claim is Howard Levin himself. Clearly you have reading problems or you just didn't pick up on it. Got a problem? Talk to Levin. He should know what he's talking about, he wrote it all down in one of those annoying things called 'books'. :-) Of course I could provide you with direct quotes but hey, I'm in a lazy mood tonight.

You are obviously dumb when you are not braindead. Sai Baba is a public figure who has publicly advertised himself as an incarnation of God, the saviour of the world, gonna sort out all the problems, etc etc etc. Consequently he is going to be the object of attention which will be positive and negative. He is the founder of a New Religious Movement (NRM) and that is why he gets attention. Get that fact into your brain and then come back when you have something interesting to say. Check under your pillow before you go to sleep tonight, honey...

/m451

Sanjay, since you post no references regarding your claims, one can only assume you are twisting the truth as usual and have something to hide.
Anyone who knows how you operate knows they cannot trust anything you say.
If you want to nitpick and be a drama queen, join the circus where you belong.

Sanjay why are you such a busybody sticking your nose into everyone's business? Because you don't have a life of your own and cannot get a girlfriend? Save the phony "I care for my fellow man" tosh for someone who doesn't know what a sleazy pervert you are. Stalking women and posting sleaze about them (like "They want it" and other more x-rated and disgusting trash) on a blog is NOT a humanitarian project. Stalking Sai Baba and other humans is NOT a humanitarian project.

You are obviously so desperate and bored with your own dysfunctional life you have gone on another childish nitpicking campaign.

Thankfully I saw the light and I was rescued from the ocean of muck that I was in as a Sai devotee. And because I care about my fellow men, I try to do the same to current devotees and extend them a hand so that they can raise themselves out of said mucky ocean. Unfortunately the vast majority of them are ungrateful tosspots who spit in return.

I don't care about Filipino healers, ha ha ha, what is this? Conman Convention? Sai Baba has no recognised medical qualifications to perform any kind of medical treatment or "purificatory treatment" on mouths, anuses and genitals. Especially when his "patients" (like our own favourite Morono) testify that they have no clue what he is doing. Think about it, this old faggot feels you up and you let him do it? What drugs are you on?

And you are wrong again about Sharada Devi. She wanted to leave the ashram to see her husband and aksed Raju's permission to do so. Instead of "lovingly" and "sweetly" giving her the permission, he proceeded to 'bark' at her, telling her that her husband was a dog with seven girlfriends and that she should be the eighth. Needless to say, she wept her eyes out at this rough treatment.

Ah yes, and let's not forget that Raju "lovingly" wondered why she wasn't dead yet. Such loving compassion and grace from the living avatar! It's unbelievable! We are fortunate to witness these bountiful acts of grace and expose them on our blogs! :-)

Edited by author 10-20-2007 08:00 AM
/m450, /m446

I guess Sanjay forgets he was one of those devotees who makes stupid statements yet accuses others of doing the same while he STILL hypocritically engages in the same stupidity. Funny that he is too blind too see this.

I did NOT contradict myself you buffoon. Read it AGAIN. I said I do NOT believe Sai Baba does oilings on ANYONE UNDER 18. Why are you so dense?

So, Phillipine psychic healers don't hold medical degrees and they do healings. If India has no laws against it, which it appears they don't you are blowing hot air as usual.

Sharada Devi left her husband after her children died and he swindled her out of her money. She was not with Sathya Sai Baba at the time.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:10 PM
Dear Braindead Dumbloons, :-)

In 1948, Puttaparthi Raju fully authorised Narayana Kasturi to write his biography. Raju specifically granted Kasturi exclusive access to himself, his parents, friends, kinsfolk, villagers and so on to garner material. Kasturi published the first volume of 'Sathyam Sivam Sundaram' in 1960, a full twelve years after the project was inaugurated.

Kasturi would doubtless have heard about the "scorpion bite" incident and may well have been exposed to the peoples' theories and speculations about how the scorpion bite caused Raju to become "Sai Baba".

Not to worry! In a public discourse in 1958, Raju confirmed that there was no scorpion at all, and even challenged people to be bitten by scorpions and become Sai Babas of their own.

That should clear up everything, right?

WRONG!

Two years later in 1960, Kasturi published the book that continues to mislead people into thinking that Puttaparthi Raju was bitten by a scorpion on the night of 4th March 1943, not 8th March 1940 as Kasturi couldn't even get his facts right on that one either. Sai Baba told his own sister that he was bitten by a socrpion, who wrote it down in her own diary.

Think about that one before you go to sleep tonight, dumbloons. :-) And check under your pillow for scorpions and spiders and snakes. We wouldn't want to start off another serpentine rumour, would we? ;-)

[Edit: See /m457 for references.]

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:44 PM
Re /m448: "There is absolutely NO proof the genital oilings are what you are babbling about."

We know that already, dumbloon. It is the pseudo-intellectual "devotees" on your side who are peddling the lies about genital oilings/fondlings as being some kind of "purification" or other. Don't even bother trying to deny this, this is documented everywhere and is not based on rumours and hearsay, unbelievable liar.

"Like I said before ADULTS KNOW the difference between love, or healing and SEXUAL assault dumbo. Even a CHILD can understand the difference so these must be some VERY dumb men. If you can't understand the difference you need a lot of help. The FACT that these ADULTS are making claims DECADES later suddenly claiming they realized they were "molested" is extremely suspicious."

Like I said before, it is the least of our problems whether Sai Baba is indulging in a "loving" act or a "sexually abusive" act. The fact remains that he does not hold any medical or any other type of qualifications that endow him with the right to perform any of these treatments. The simple fact that his victims (sorry, patients cough cough) invariably do not even know what he is doing is proof enough that they have little or no control over the situation.

"I believe the FACTS reveal that Baba does not EVER do oilings on anyone under 18 and that when he does do an oiling it is below the navel and ABOVE the pubic area."

You are not in possession of any facts. What do you know about Sai Baba and his interviewees? Have you been present at every single interview or every single oiling? No you haven't. You have never had an interview so you are not in the possession of any "facts". Keep your opinions to yourself.

Secondly, you similarly do not know for sure if the oilings take place between the navel and the pubis. Many people have experienced this, devotees and non-devotees alike. Do you even know that Arthur Hillcoat was allegedly healed of his hernia by the application of oil on his genitals by Sai Baba? It does not matter if he is under or over 18, the fact is that your guru is a faggot and fondles genitals.

You contradicted yourself in the same sentence you braindead dork. In the same sentence you vehemently claim that he does not do oilings and that if he does, it takes place between the navel and the pubis. Make up your mind, lunatic, does he oil/fondle genitals or NOT? Or the men in white coats are coming after you. :-)

"Many healers, including ME use oil which may be placed anywhere from the stomach to the head. Massage therapists also massage every part of the body. It's perverts like you who try to make it something it isn't."

You are not a healer, you are a liar. And it's brainwashed perverts like you who glorify oral sex, anal sex and genital fondlings/oilings as some sort of "divine act" that effects "purification" in the recipient. Who cares what massage therapists do? Is Sai Baba a massage therapist now? What business does Sai Baba have touching private and intimate places of young males?

And above all,

how come females do not get the oil treatment? :-)

Joe Homoreno squealed thus:

"Sanjay recently wrote no less than 5 blogged articles about Shirdi Sai Baba and Sathya Sai Baba and poorly attempted to make the argument against the latter being an alleged reincarnation of the former. In my next blogged article, I will highlight these discrepancies and the low standards that Sanjay erroneously uses and abuses to promote his smear campaigns with."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Go ahead Lipstick Boy, try and astound us all with your scandalous exposure of my "poor" research, lol.

Judging by Homoreno's own comment, even he is unsure if Puttaparthi Raju is the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba, lol ("the latter being an alleged reincarnation of the former"). I am not expecting any serious refutation from the likes of Homoreno's proven intellectual dishonesty and pseudo-intellectualism, there's no way he or anybody else can get past the fact that the "transition" took place in 1943 and not 1940, lol! Nor can he get past the fact that, despite the lie, worship of Shirdi Sai Baba was prevalent in Puttaparthi and that Raju himself used to attend these bhajans, his own uncles being devotees. LOL. Nope, I'm not expecting any serious "refutation" but I'll be interested in Homoreno's speculations and pseudo-intellectual mental gymnastics for a laugh! :-)

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:29 PM
/m447

There is absolutely NO proof the genital oilings are what you are babbling about. All of your claims are based on hearsay and rumor. Like I said before ADULTS KNOW the difference between love, or healing and SEXUAL assault dumbo. Even a CHILD can understand the difference so these must be some VERY dumb men. If you can't understand the difference you need a lot of help. The FACT that these ADULTS are making claims DECADES later suddenly claiming they realized they were "molested" is extremely suspicious.

I believe the FACTS reveal that Baba does not EVER do oilings on anyone under 18 and that when he does do an oiling it is below the navel and ABOVE the pubic area. Many healers, including ME use oil which may be placed anywhere from the stomach to the head. Massage therapists also massage every part of the body. It's perverts like you who try to make it something it isn't.

And anyone who knows how you bozos operate KNOWS you take the most innocent action and twist it with your perversion. In every accusation I have looked into I have seen how you liars warp the truth.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:22 PM
And Howard Levin says that he enjoyed his experiences so much that if he had a choice between liberation and watching Raju abuse an old woman, he'd choose the latter.

These Sai devotees are all a bunch of mentally sick homosexuals who worship a faggot "god". They'd excuse any behaviour. Just like Isaac Tigrett in the BBC documentary, he clearly stated that even if Sai Baba was guilty of murder it would not change his faith even a bit.

You braindead zombies ought to be incarcerated, all of you. At the very least, the men in white coats are coming with the straitjackets.

Did Lisa De Witt try to spam this board with an article about Pedda Bottu Sarada Devi, the lady who was allegedly with Shirdi Sai Baba when he was alive? Yes she did. :-)

Shall I tell you a couple of things? Yes I will. :-)

(Sathya) Sai Baba was notorious for mentally and emotionally abusing her until she became near to a gibbering wreck. One day he threatened to throw her out of the ashram, telling her: "your husband has become a dog, he has seven girlfriends. Go there, be Number Eight!"

Is this the kind of loving and compassionate kind treatment that comes from someone with the "love of a thousand mothers" as he alleges? Pedda Bottu (aka "Shirdi Ma") was a rather aged lady (who died in 1987 so I hear) at the time as can be expected from her alleged association with Shirdi Sai Baba.

One day Shirdi Ma came up to Puttaparthi Raju and he looked at her and exclaimed, "what? Not dead yet?"

And this passes for "Sai Humour"? I say these things, because Sai Baba reportedly thought that this behaviour was the funniest thing on the planet and didn't seem at all concerned about reducing her to tears. Nobody else thought that wishing death on an old lady was very funny either, because a female Western devotee who observed this episode was visibly upset at Raju's conduct. When Raju noticed this, he realised that he had been behaving badly, and so he calmly walked to the female devotee and "materialised" a piece of cake for her, a bribe to shut her up.

So this is what Puttaparthi Raju is like, he treats his devotees like crap and calls them dogs. He takes great delight in insinuating that old women should participate in bestiality (!!!) and is also waiting for them to die.

The source of these stories? Howard Levin. :-)

Re: /m430:

"And since WHEN does Hinduism teach MEN to purify themselves by having sex with God, dumbo? Since WHEN did Arjuna have sex with Krishna to purify himself? You are standing on VERY shaking ground, ignoramus."

Tell this to the leaders in the Sai Organisation, Michael Goldstein, Thorbjorn Meyer, Steen Picullel, Ashok Bhagani and many more. They are the fools who stupidly try to explain Sai Baba's homosexual paedophilia activities of oral sex, anal sex and genital fondlings with oil as some kind of "Kundalini purification" and whatnot.

Yep, ask them the same questions and let us know where they think Hinduism advises all of this stuff. I'll be extremely interested to hear what pseudo-intellectual non-Hindus have to say.