Edited by author 10-20-2007 08:00 AM
/m450, /m446

I guess Sanjay forgets he was one of those devotees who makes stupid statements yet accuses others of doing the same while he STILL hypocritically engages in the same stupidity. Funny that he is too blind too see this.

I did NOT contradict myself you buffoon. Read it AGAIN. I said I do NOT believe Sai Baba does oilings on ANYONE UNDER 18. Why are you so dense?

So, Phillipine psychic healers don't hold medical degrees and they do healings. If India has no laws against it, which it appears they don't you are blowing hot air as usual.

Sharada Devi left her husband after her children died and he swindled her out of her money. She was not with Sathya Sai Baba at the time.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:10 PM
Dear Braindead Dumbloons, :-)

In 1948, Puttaparthi Raju fully authorised Narayana Kasturi to write his biography. Raju specifically granted Kasturi exclusive access to himself, his parents, friends, kinsfolk, villagers and so on to garner material. Kasturi published the first volume of 'Sathyam Sivam Sundaram' in 1960, a full twelve years after the project was inaugurated.

Kasturi would doubtless have heard about the "scorpion bite" incident and may well have been exposed to the peoples' theories and speculations about how the scorpion bite caused Raju to become "Sai Baba".

Not to worry! In a public discourse in 1958, Raju confirmed that there was no scorpion at all, and even challenged people to be bitten by scorpions and become Sai Babas of their own.

That should clear up everything, right?

WRONG!

Two years later in 1960, Kasturi published the book that continues to mislead people into thinking that Puttaparthi Raju was bitten by a scorpion on the night of 4th March 1943, not 8th March 1940 as Kasturi couldn't even get his facts right on that one either. Sai Baba told his own sister that he was bitten by a socrpion, who wrote it down in her own diary.

Think about that one before you go to sleep tonight, dumbloons. :-) And check under your pillow for scorpions and spiders and snakes. We wouldn't want to start off another serpentine rumour, would we? ;-)

[Edit: See /m457 for references.]

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:44 PM
Re /m448: "There is absolutely NO proof the genital oilings are what you are babbling about."

We know that already, dumbloon. It is the pseudo-intellectual "devotees" on your side who are peddling the lies about genital oilings/fondlings as being some kind of "purification" or other. Don't even bother trying to deny this, this is documented everywhere and is not based on rumours and hearsay, unbelievable liar.

"Like I said before ADULTS KNOW the difference between love, or healing and SEXUAL assault dumbo. Even a CHILD can understand the difference so these must be some VERY dumb men. If you can't understand the difference you need a lot of help. The FACT that these ADULTS are making claims DECADES later suddenly claiming they realized they were "molested" is extremely suspicious."

Like I said before, it is the least of our problems whether Sai Baba is indulging in a "loving" act or a "sexually abusive" act. The fact remains that he does not hold any medical or any other type of qualifications that endow him with the right to perform any of these treatments. The simple fact that his victims (sorry, patients cough cough) invariably do not even know what he is doing is proof enough that they have little or no control over the situation.

"I believe the FACTS reveal that Baba does not EVER do oilings on anyone under 18 and that when he does do an oiling it is below the navel and ABOVE the pubic area."

You are not in possession of any facts. What do you know about Sai Baba and his interviewees? Have you been present at every single interview or every single oiling? No you haven't. You have never had an interview so you are not in the possession of any "facts". Keep your opinions to yourself.

Secondly, you similarly do not know for sure if the oilings take place between the navel and the pubis. Many people have experienced this, devotees and non-devotees alike. Do you even know that Arthur Hillcoat was allegedly healed of his hernia by the application of oil on his genitals by Sai Baba? It does not matter if he is under or over 18, the fact is that your guru is a faggot and fondles genitals.

You contradicted yourself in the same sentence you braindead dork. In the same sentence you vehemently claim that he does not do oilings and that if he does, it takes place between the navel and the pubis. Make up your mind, lunatic, does he oil/fondle genitals or NOT? Or the men in white coats are coming after you. :-)

"Many healers, including ME use oil which may be placed anywhere from the stomach to the head. Massage therapists also massage every part of the body. It's perverts like you who try to make it something it isn't."

You are not a healer, you are a liar. And it's brainwashed perverts like you who glorify oral sex, anal sex and genital fondlings/oilings as some sort of "divine act" that effects "purification" in the recipient. Who cares what massage therapists do? Is Sai Baba a massage therapist now? What business does Sai Baba have touching private and intimate places of young males?

And above all,

how come females do not get the oil treatment? :-)

Joe Homoreno squealed thus:

"Sanjay recently wrote no less than 5 blogged articles about Shirdi Sai Baba and Sathya Sai Baba and poorly attempted to make the argument against the latter being an alleged reincarnation of the former. In my next blogged article, I will highlight these discrepancies and the low standards that Sanjay erroneously uses and abuses to promote his smear campaigns with."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Go ahead Lipstick Boy, try and astound us all with your scandalous exposure of my "poor" research, lol.

Judging by Homoreno's own comment, even he is unsure if Puttaparthi Raju is the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba, lol ("the latter being an alleged reincarnation of the former"). I am not expecting any serious refutation from the likes of Homoreno's proven intellectual dishonesty and pseudo-intellectualism, there's no way he or anybody else can get past the fact that the "transition" took place in 1943 and not 1940, lol! Nor can he get past the fact that, despite the lie, worship of Shirdi Sai Baba was prevalent in Puttaparthi and that Raju himself used to attend these bhajans, his own uncles being devotees. LOL. Nope, I'm not expecting any serious "refutation" but I'll be interested in Homoreno's speculations and pseudo-intellectual mental gymnastics for a laugh! :-)

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:29 PM
/m447

There is absolutely NO proof the genital oilings are what you are babbling about. All of your claims are based on hearsay and rumor. Like I said before ADULTS KNOW the difference between love, or healing and SEXUAL assault dumbo. Even a CHILD can understand the difference so these must be some VERY dumb men. If you can't understand the difference you need a lot of help. The FACT that these ADULTS are making claims DECADES later suddenly claiming they realized they were "molested" is extremely suspicious.

I believe the FACTS reveal that Baba does not EVER do oilings on anyone under 18 and that when he does do an oiling it is below the navel and ABOVE the pubic area. Many healers, including ME use oil which may be placed anywhere from the stomach to the head. Massage therapists also massage every part of the body. It's perverts like you who try to make it something it isn't.

And anyone who knows how you bozos operate KNOWS you take the most innocent action and twist it with your perversion. In every accusation I have looked into I have seen how you liars warp the truth.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 07:22 PM
And Howard Levin says that he enjoyed his experiences so much that if he had a choice between liberation and watching Raju abuse an old woman, he'd choose the latter.

These Sai devotees are all a bunch of mentally sick homosexuals who worship a faggot "god". They'd excuse any behaviour. Just like Isaac Tigrett in the BBC documentary, he clearly stated that even if Sai Baba was guilty of murder it would not change his faith even a bit.

You braindead zombies ought to be incarcerated, all of you. At the very least, the men in white coats are coming with the straitjackets.

Did Lisa De Witt try to spam this board with an article about Pedda Bottu Sarada Devi, the lady who was allegedly with Shirdi Sai Baba when he was alive? Yes she did. :-)

Shall I tell you a couple of things? Yes I will. :-)

(Sathya) Sai Baba was notorious for mentally and emotionally abusing her until she became near to a gibbering wreck. One day he threatened to throw her out of the ashram, telling her: "your husband has become a dog, he has seven girlfriends. Go there, be Number Eight!"

Is this the kind of loving and compassionate kind treatment that comes from someone with the "love of a thousand mothers" as he alleges? Pedda Bottu (aka "Shirdi Ma") was a rather aged lady (who died in 1987 so I hear) at the time as can be expected from her alleged association with Shirdi Sai Baba.

One day Shirdi Ma came up to Puttaparthi Raju and he looked at her and exclaimed, "what? Not dead yet?"

And this passes for "Sai Humour"? I say these things, because Sai Baba reportedly thought that this behaviour was the funniest thing on the planet and didn't seem at all concerned about reducing her to tears. Nobody else thought that wishing death on an old lady was very funny either, because a female Western devotee who observed this episode was visibly upset at Raju's conduct. When Raju noticed this, he realised that he had been behaving badly, and so he calmly walked to the female devotee and "materialised" a piece of cake for her, a bribe to shut her up.

So this is what Puttaparthi Raju is like, he treats his devotees like crap and calls them dogs. He takes great delight in insinuating that old women should participate in bestiality (!!!) and is also waiting for them to die.

The source of these stories? Howard Levin. :-)

Re: /m430:

"And since WHEN does Hinduism teach MEN to purify themselves by having sex with God, dumbo? Since WHEN did Arjuna have sex with Krishna to purify himself? You are standing on VERY shaking ground, ignoramus."

Tell this to the leaders in the Sai Organisation, Michael Goldstein, Thorbjorn Meyer, Steen Picullel, Ashok Bhagani and many more. They are the fools who stupidly try to explain Sai Baba's homosexual paedophilia activities of oral sex, anal sex and genital fondlings with oil as some kind of "Kundalini purification" and whatnot.

Yep, ask them the same questions and let us know where they think Hinduism advises all of this stuff. I'll be extremely interested to hear what pseudo-intellectual non-Hindus have to say.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 06:57 PM
/m441

I could care less whether you believe I was molested or not. You are missing the point (as usual) which also tells me again you are most likely lying. A molestation victim KNOWS what it is like to be molested and HOW a victim reacts. I have lived the experience and have the emotional frame of reference that comes from that experience. I do not feel that you exhibit the behaviors of an ADULT person who has been molested. I also do not feel an ADULT at 19 would react the way you claim to have reacted. I do not believe that you were brainwashed as I do not believe you EVER believed Sai Baba was God and therefore I do not believe you had sex with Baba because you "believed he was God."


Besides that, brainwashing is something you would have to prove in court and your claim is very suspicious and does not match most other peoples experience. Since no one else has had the experience you claim, it may be that you have some form of mental illness and/or alcohol/drug addiction as do so many of the anti-Sais. This is why your allegations should be addressed in court and not on the internet. You have ZERO credibility hiding on the internet. Why you think anyone should believe you is beyond me.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 06:34 PM
/m438

usedbybaba wrote:

"I have received materializations."

Sounds like another one of your contradictions.
Besides that there are MANY MANY people who receive materializations at a distance which cannot be faked. I personally have tested Baba's omnipresence from a distance, as have many others, and he fulfilled my request and passed my long distance test. Tough luck for you.


And why do you keep telling people not to ask you any questions? Are you a control freak or just afraid to tell the truth because it would compromise your position?

Like I said, we don't OWE you ANYTHING (especially someone who hides and will not answer questions without playing continuous mind games). Funny that you think we owe you something. If you have a complaint, file it with the proper authorities.

Your accusations are so choppy and rambling it's getting ridiculous. It is also VERY suspicious the way you are trying to control everything. I seriously doubt you will ever sit down and write out your accusations in a cohesive and intelligent manner (so they can be analyzed) because either :

A. you are not smart enough (strange that you claim to be college educated) or are too lazy to do so.
  
or

B. You know that doing so will reveal even more clearly that you are a liar.

I already feel that I have enough info to conclude you are a liar so it really doesn't matter to me what you do.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 04:38 PM
"HERE IS SOME MORE HELP ANGEL
IF YOU ARE AS SINCERE AS YOU TRY TO SHOW TO BE, ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT I RAISED:
AND THAT WAS TO YOU

Just answer these
1. When baba made me do the blow job. i was confused and slowly understood that he was a homo.For that matter he did not want me to write to him as Sai Mother.
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ok.

2.Will you allow it to happen to you or your kith and kin
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no.

3.All the names mentioned in ex.baba .com of the student victims are 100% true
4.i lived with these guys.Nithyanand menon was a malayalee warden
   Radhakrishnanan who died on the june 6th incident had a brother calle ravishankar and they are from ooty.
5.Diwakar muthukrishna the person who molested small boys is now married to
   radhakrishna's sister and he is the adopted on of Dr.Kamla.his parents are from srilanka and australia (one from each country.
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ok.


6.with so much you still want to believe that iam a lier.
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i'm saying you could be just about anyone.I have no idea,but thanx for sharing your traumatic experince ,perhaps it'll help some people.


7.Who else you want to know about.
8.What about Aswath narayana the jeweller from Anantapur.

________________
okaaaaaaaay.


 
The fact is I have gone through these experiences and none of you have including thse from ex.baba
Let us not be blind to the facts.
tell me u have not answered my first question
why is babas date of birth wrong in his school records.
_____________________

i have no idea.

_______________________

i don't think you will give me any logical answer, afterall iam not your brother.
go close topeople who have sufferd and then talk.
Atleast iam able to mail people.
Hundreds have suffered because of his sexual exploits and nobody who has not experienced it can ever ever deny it.
The pain i went through when i read some articles, irememberd my suffering.
Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible. i was trying to justify it for a long time. but my consience did not permit it.
Hey i recently met a jeweller who told me tha a close devotee of baba bought a lot of jewels from his shop a few years back before going to parthi
____________________

"believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN (no offence meant towards other nationals)."



"Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible"
______________________



I can see that you're intelligent,you're really smart and stuff .


anywayyyyyy,why did you MR.("believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN" )as an adult give sb a blow job?

if it was horrible and you are intelligent as you say,why then ,after that first nauseating as you say ,horrible experience,of giving a blow job to an old man at the time you were an adult,why did you return and gave that kinda old man a "blow job" few more times,why did you MR.("1000 times more intelligent") do it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN?
and if it was so horrible and nauseating,why did you touch his thing for "many more times" also?

Edited by author 10-13-2006 02:51 PM
"The burden of proof is on you."
Do i show every one my rape marks or something.

What is the proof that you are a molestation victim.you keep bragging about this molestation thing as though it is an olympic Gold medal that you need to be proud of.How do I know that you are a woman? Send us a Photograph and ID card.As far as we are concerned ,the guy you accuse of molesting you is a great soul and he has proved it by not abusing you in this forum.You and your friends seem to want to be the center of attention with all your sordid, unprovable ramblings, victim baby.
I AM USING YOUR LOGIC AND IT IS WORKING OUT GREAT.If you think you are smart,believe me i am 1000 times more intelligent than you.After all I AM AN INDIAN (no offence meant towards other nationals).

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:27 AM
HERE IS SOME MORE HELP ANGEL
IF YOU ARE AS SINCERE AS YOU TRY TO SHOW TO BE, ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT I RAISED:
AND THAT WAS TO YOU

Just answer these
1. When baba made me do the blow job. i was confused and slowly understood that he was a homo.For that matter he did not want me to write to him as Sai Mother.
2.Will you allow it to happen to you or your kith and kin
3.All the names mentioned in ex.baba .com of the student victims are 100% true
4.i lived with these guys.Nithyanand menon was a malayalee warden
   Radhakrishnanan who died on the june 6th incident had a brother calle ravishankar and they are from ooty.
5.Diwakar muthukrishna the person who molested small boys is now married to
   radhakrishna's sister and he is the adopted on of Dr.Kamla.his parents are from srilanka and australia (one from each country.
6.with so much you still want to believe that iam a lier.
7.Who else you want to know about.
8.What about Aswath narayana the jeweller from Anantapur.
 
The fact is I have gone through these experiences and none of you have including thse from ex.baba
Let us not be blind to the facts.
tell me u have not answered my first question
why is babas date of birth wrong in his school records.
i don't think you will give me any logical answer, afterall iam not your brother.
go close topeople who have sufferd and then talk.
Atleast iam able to mail people.
Hundreds have suffered because of his sexual exploits and nobody who has not experienced it can ever ever deny it.
The pain i went through when i read some articles, irememberd my suffering.
Compelled to suck his cock.My god it was horrible. i was trying to justify it for a long time. but my consience did not permit it.
Hey i recently met a jeweller who told me tha a close devotee of baba bought a lot of jewels from his shop a few years back before going to parthi

i called baba lallu panju and so did "om sai" but i did not call her names. i was sarcastic , yes,
but do you see lisas language ,Dear angel, NOOOOOOO NEVER.
you did not answer my question to you.why are you obssesed with this forum for someone who has never seen baba.????

Edited by author 10-13-2006 09:10 AM
I was waiting for you to pst from my old writing.because Lisa was overwhelmed by my asking her to talk without abusing, you come in the nick of time to the rescue.wel done.
now they know what to write .
If you cannot talk directly.you will make Lisa abuse and when she is in trouble you will come to the rescue.GREAT.
but the only handicap is that we understand your game Angel.
Lisa and others would provoke people and you will act as a moderator and seemingly a genuine one at that.You will quote from what I wrote long back. can you quote from the new ones where I do not abuse,No,Tha is not your job. See what word you ended up in -- Pervert( iam not calling you that ,but just quoting).They will pick up the from there. The joke is some time back you told me that you never called me pervert.
All this won't help. Now you will give me one liner to cool me and then ask me What is your Age ? your period of stay in Parthi etc.,
I am sorry you are part of the group to disrupt the discussions on baba.
WHY DON'T YOU COPY THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED IN THE BEGINNING EVEN BEFORE I WAS PUSHED TO ABUSE YOUR FRIEND lISA.MAY BE I CAN HELP YOU.
HERE IS WHAT I TOLD ABOUT BABA AND MORE.IT IS CALLED DELIBERSTE AMNESIA.
WELL TAKE MY HELP AND ATLEAST NOW DISCUSS BABA.THOUGH THE DIVNE LISA HAVE DIVERTD THE TOPIC.I DO SUSPECT THAT THERE ARE A FEW WHO ARE BEING PAID TO DIVERT THE ATTENTION AND I HOPE YOU ARE NOT PART OF THAT

  how can god come in human form and rape children and women.
> I do not believe so much in avatars/incarinatio ns.
> to answer some of ur questions
> 1.Baba does not molest every student.one of my relatives who was
there for a long time did not know it untill i told him.
> 2.His materialisations are fake.See ex baba.com
> 3.He very carefully chooses his victims
> 4.those who do not co operate are shunted out on some pretext or
the other or just because baba wanted the person out he would be sent out.
> 5. In a few cases they are murdered
> 6.i came to know that people used to hang from trees to death in
early 60s and 50s. This was told to me by a former lecturer who was
devotee from childhood and he is around 50yrs old now and is not in
babas fold
> 7.Yes boys were made to become Homosexuals because of baba
> but hostels are generally places for gays
> 8. what else. He makes boys suck his cock, kisses them hugs them
some even told me that he sucked theirs and entered from behind
> 9.when all the wardens know of this who dares question him
> 10.for your information most of the wardens are themselves one
time victims who refuse to see anything wrong in his actions. even i
did it for sometime but when i could not take it anymore i carefully
escaped
> 11. i am not scared of telling my name but if i do that my social
life and career will be affected
> 12.well sai baba molested even his sister's grandson and that
idiot was proud about it.
> 13. there was a time when this grandson told us that baba was
drooling for a lady in the crowd and this guy noticed it
> 14. Afterall they are all bascically people of the lower class who
lived as bards prising the local landlords ( they claim that they were
bards for kings). They are called potha rajus
> 15. Babas brother janakiramiah' s son ratnakar molested a girl when
he was in 10 th std and the villagers and the girls relatives wanted
to kill him. BaBa sent this guy to bangalore for a long period with
Col.Joga rao as escort
> 16. I HAVE RECEIVED MATERIALISATIONS please no more questions
about me.

Edited by author 10-13-2006 06:58 AM
--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
> ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth.
> You don't have to tell them about the other similar discussions that
> you had with joe 108.His wife may not like it.you are a very naughty
> girl.
--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
>
> who is premanand?
> by the way watch your language u fu***king third rate ar88hole.
> you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this
> Don't try to tell me i am a pervert Maybe you got fu''d by BaBA.I can write worse than this and i am capable of doing more, u shit pot.Nothing except shit comes out of your mouth.Maybe you eat through your bottom.
> You can"t keep calling me names and expect me to take it lying. You bi''**h
> Who the fuck are you to forgive me you lingam sucking swine.
> tell me where you are or when you come to india i will pesonally meet you if you have the guts.bitch.Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth.
> If i come to know who you are belive me i will get you. I remember people for life and don't take me for granted.
> BAS****D
--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, abused for15years <usedbybaba@...> wrote:
>
> sob sob sob sob sob.If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you. Go and taste baba's linga . or rathnakar maybe.it is free .They told me he is divorced.Is it true? if it is true you can get married to him. try him he is only in his thirties unlike BaBa the Avatar who broke his leg who is in his seventies uh eighties oh no nineties. umm i dont know .maybe he will adjust it when he knows he is going to die to suit the stories that he told.
>
> by the way baba keeps telling the boys sbout the third leg. we know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy.

"Om SAi is not me.I have not posted any message since maybe a week or more.I will tell you when i do...I am smiling. blah blah blah LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE, Maybe he meant "Lust All" and I am going to call myself usedby_lalu_panju. ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "

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OMG @ this PERVERTED MESS.