Edited by author 10-11-2006 01:23 AM
/m397

BeastMaster (BM), you did not answer any of my questions from my former post: /m351. Why not? After all you were the one who claimed, out of your own mouth, that the materialized vibuthi is "cow dung" and that amrita is "honey". Although you try to present yourself as neutral, when confronted with your bias, you cower behind innuendo and accuse me of taking off on a "tangent". First answer my questions about where you got your information from. If you did not get your information from neutral third parties (but just fabricated this information by yourself) just say so.

I already told you long ago that I am not aware of any official, neutral, third party investigations about these alleged materializations. What is amusing about your position is that you were willing to cite an unreliable account taken from an anonymous source on the exbaba site (/m248). Now, however, you are trying to give the impression that you will only settle for a scientific, neutral, official and third-party investigation. The standards you demand are inconsistent.

Also, you also did not answer my former question about which "theosophical explanations" you are willing to accept. Are there any you are willing to accept? If so, what are they? If not, why ask for them?

Sanjay, sounds you are like suffering from "broken-record syndrome" or echolalia :-)

Sanjay Dadlani Fully Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 10-11-2006 12:45 AM
Awwwwwww, poor Mowenno can't answer the points, poor baby-waby. :-)

He knows jack about Shirdi. He knows jack about Shirdi literature. He knows jack about Puttaparthi history. He knows jack about Puttaparthi Raju's sordid Shirdi LIE. He does not know anything about these matters except from biased and slanted Sathya Sai sources which are incorrect and opportunistic. And all of this is proven.

Gerald 'Joe' Moreno EXPOSED /m269

Deal with that. :-)

J108,

The point of interest of my earlier post has been mysterious objects appearing on picture frames. Erlendur Haraldsson has not conducted any investigattion into it. Why bring his name here? I am specifically interested in the 3 aspect investigation as explained in my earlier posts. You have not offered any continuation to my view points.

Instead you went tangent with;

- EH reports on paranormal phenomena that excludes the point at hand.
- You incorrectly accuse me of claiming amrit as honey. You talk about Amrit and Vibhuti while I took an example of honey and ash out of many things that allegedly appear.

If there are no verification/investigation done on a)credibility of the claim b)study of the phenomena c)theological implication- so be it.

- Bm

Edited by author 10-10-2006 10:51 PM
As I have said many times before, there is no rationalizing with Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"), a confirmed psychopath, drunk, pervert, Jesus sex fetishist and pathological liar.

Sanjay Dadlani Fully Exposed: /m272

Well I'm glad that you finally admitted it, Morono. Now watch. :-)

Re /m384:

Looks like poor Gerald Moreno has started needlessly obsessing about Venkamma Raju (Puttaparthi fraudster's elder sister) and trying very hard (and desperately) to prove me wrong, utterly failing in doing so. Let's amuse ourselves with a couple of his spurious arguments:

"First Sanjay argued that Sathya Sai Baba was not bitten by a scorpion based on Baba's own words and tried to refute Baba's words by citing Venkamma ... Since Sanjay just conceded that Venkamma is a liar, then WHY is Sanjay citing her as an authority on what really happened to Baba? If Baba and Venkamma are liars, then where is Sanjay getting his accurate & truthful information from? According to Sanjay, none of these devotees and relatives are trustworthy. Therefore, all these citations are useless in revealing the truth because there are NO non-devotee biographies on Baba. Sanjay is clueless. Sanjay has no proof to support any of his conspiracy theories. It's all fluff, deception and imagination."

Unfortunately not. :-) Gerald Moreno is guilty of intellectual dishonesty. In /m373, I outlined a popular story regarding Venkamma and the Shirdi Sai picture:

One of Venkamma's favourite stories is how she repeatedly begged Raju to provide her with a picture of Shirdi Sai Baba, since Raju was guffing all the time about Shirdi Baba and apparently no one knew anything about Shirdi Baba (ha ha ha, cough cough!).

Now why would Venkamma beg Raju for a Shirdi picture when they were freely available in Puttaparthi? What to speak of the fact that not one, but two of her own uncles were devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba way before Raju went off on his acid trip? :-) And, oh yeah, please do remember that Raju (and why not Venkamma too?) was attending Shirdi bhajans regularly in the house of a villager who had been personally trained by Narasimha Swamiji, and who got the picture of Shirdi Baba from him? :-)

Conclusion: Evidence suggests that Venkamma Raju was a party to Raju's increasing pile of lies upon lies.

It's pretty clear where the lie is; these stories were created much later in order to give backing to the mythos of Raju's reincarnation claim. Funny how Gerald Moreno has no comment on the glaring inconsistency here: why should Venkamma beg for a picture when they were freely available in the village? Instead, a fanciful story is made up about how Raju was creeping around the house at night and woke Venkamma up, who then discovered a picture that Raju left behind! Awwwwwwww, such a sweet story that proves Raju's divinity, not! :-)

What Gerald Moreno cannot understand (or rather, cannot get into his thick head) is that since all of these people are dead (except for Raju the fraud), it is well nigh impossible to get at the truth and to interview all of them. What we are left with is a set of glaring contradictions and inconsistencies. I see no harm in highlighting all of these problems so that dumbloons like Moreno and De Witt can try and explain it all away, driving themselves up the wall in the process. :-)

You have to consider: why did "Sathya" Sai Baba tell his sister that he was bitten by a scorpion and then publicly deny years later? Why do all of the official biographies talk so much about a scorpion incident when there was no scorpion at all (according to Raju)? If there was no scorpion at all as Raju said in 1958, then why was it published in 'Sathyam Sivam Sundaram' in 1960??

[Text: "On March 8th, 1940, the whole town was shocked to hear that a big black scorpion had stung Sathya. There is a belief current in Uravakonda and the surrounding country that no one will survive a snakebite or scorpion sting in the place, because of the many-hooded serpent stone that has given the name to the place. The rock looks as if a serpent has raised its head to strike its poison fangs and hence, the dread superstition has gained currency. It was about seven o'clock, at dusk, and Sathya leaped with a shriek, holding the right toe!"]

Gerald Moreno is clueless. There is no use in asking for his opinion on these matters because he doesn't know. All he can do is avoid the issues, make ad-hominem attacks and twist himself into a conundrum.

He knows jack about Shirdi. He knows jack about Shirdi literature. He knows jack about Puttaparthi history. He knows jack about Puttaparthi Raju's sordid Shirdi LIE. He does not know anything about these matters except from biased and slanted Sathya Sai sources which are incorrect and opportunisitic. And all of this is proven.

Deal with that. :-)

Another Lie from Lisa De Witt

In /m389, Lisa De Witt stated the following:

"According to Narasimha's biography, Narasimha did not even know about Shirdi Sai Baba until 1936 Sanjay! It also states in his biography that VERY few people knew about Shirdi in the late 1930s. Even then, Narasimha had language barriers to deal with because he spoke only a little Marathi. So, unless one spoke Marathi, one was very unlikey to have heard about Shirdi Sai Baba at that time."

She was apparently influenced by this article. What a pity she didn't read any further:

"Sri B.V. Narasimha Swamiji felt, how important it was to spread the spiritual life and message of Baba throughout our country. So, he looked for the biography on Baba. He got Dasganu Maharaja's 'Sai Leelamrit' in Marathi, 'Glimpses of Spirituality' by Raobahadur M.W. Pradhan and also 'Sai Satcharita' in verse in Marathi, written by Annasaheb Dabholkar. His first publication 'Who is Sai Baba' was released in 1939. His next work 'Wondrous Saint' has been translated into Telugu, Hindi, Bengali and Gujrathi. ... The author's next work was 'Gospel of Sri Sai Baba', which had been translated into Tamil, Telugu, Hindi and Malyalam. Swamiji composed hymns in Sanskrit, entitled 'Sri Sainath Smaranam', which was translated into Tamil and English. In 1944, Swamiji wrote a play in seven acts in Tamil, entitled 'Sri Sai Charita Natakam'. Swamiji also wrote 'Sri Sai Harikalha' to popularise Sai-movement through kalakshepam (musical discourse).

"Sri Narasimha Swamiji commenced his great task of writing a detailed biography of Sri Sai Baba in English. ... In addition to these, he published many other books on Sai Baba, many of which have been translated into many Indian languages, like Tamil, Telugu, Marathi etc. It became necessary to formulate a systematic way of conducting Sai worship. So, Swamiji wrote 'Sri Sainath Pooja Vidhi' and 'Sai Sahasranamam' in addition to the ashtotaram, already in use and practice. This is published in Sanskrit, Tamil, Telugu and Canareese."

Need more? Even assuming that all of his works were translated into different languages by other people, he still needed a command of South Indian languages (including Telugu) because he preached the glories of Shirdi Sai Baba especially in the South. For Christ's sake, he set up the All-India Sai Samaj that is based in Chennai!

And then Lisa's spurious contention that Shirdi Sai Baba was known by only a few by the 1930s. Gee, this must be why he had followers even in far-off Bombay and Allahabad, which was a big achievement at the time. Few people? I think not. And because Lisa is such an ignoramus, she doesn't know that Shirdi Baba himself spoke Marathi, Hindi and Urdu, the latter two are prominent Indian languages so there was no bar to hearing about Shirdi Sai Baba at the time. Even Puttaparthi Raju books state that he was famous enough in his local area, lol! That's before they initiated the lie that Shirdi Baba was nowhere heard of in Puttaparthi in 1943 (not 1940!), when two of Raju's own uncles were Shirdi devotees and Raju himself regularly attended Shirdi bhajans by people who had been personally trained by Narasimha Swamiji.

LOL, Lisa! Keep on burying your head in the sand when you know jack about all of these things.

You are a liar. :-)

Edited by author 10-11-2006 12:45 AM
Lisa, please do not spam this board with long articles about Sai Baba. Simply providing a link to the article is enough.

Not that the article about Pedda Bottu proves a thing anyway. :-) Who can corroborate Bottu's presence in Shirdi? No one. :-)

Re /m389 "According to Narasimha's biography, Narasimha did not even know about Shirdi Sai Baba until 1936 Sanjay! It also states in his biography that VERY few people knew about Shirdi in the late 1930s. Even then, Narasimha had language barriers to deal with because he spoke only a little Marathi. So, unless one spoke Marathi, one was very unlikey to have heard about Shirdi Sai Baba at that time."

Yet again, this proves nothing. I have already mentioned that Narasimha Swamiji did not know about Shirdi Sai Baba, and that he became a devotee of Shirdi Baba after the latter's passing. Get with the program and know what people are saying before you spout off. The fact is irrelevant anyway; what does matter is that Narasimha Swami travelled widely around India personally meeting with the devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba who had personally met and experienced the miracles/knowledge/wisdom/love of the saint in order to compile his famous four-volume biography of Shirdi Sai as well as his three-volume compilation of devotee experiences. Not to mention countless other literatures and formulations of worship that were eventually for permanent use by the Shirdi Sansthan.

What are language barriers supposed to prove, if they even existed? The simple fact is that Narasimha Swamiji personally went around constructing temples and investigating people who made claims of reincarnation. Funnily enough, Narasimha Swami published his four-volume biography in 1956 and Puttaparthi Raju declared himself in 1943 (not 1940 as wacko hagiographers erroneously contended). Narasimha Swami apparently witnessed Raju materialising trinkets and claiming to be Shirdi Sai reborn after his declaration to be so. Still he was not impressed and didn't even bother mentioning Raju in his treatment of the subject. LOL.

He found time to mention a boy from Karur and a girl from Bangalore (whom he personally exposed as frauds) but had no time in thirteen years (1943-1956) to include fraud-boy Puttaparthi Raju in his magnum opus. Ha ha ha ha ha, that says it all doesn't it? :-)

Re /m388: "Gee Sanjay how can I make this ANY clearer to you? I do NOT consider YOU a reliable (or sane) source."

Gee Lisa, how can I make this ANY clearer to you? I do not care what you think. :-) It doesn't even matter if I am the one who has researched and found out all of this information; if I didn't do it, someone else would. Fact remains that your Puttaparthi guru is a confirmed liar who is not the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba. You can keep burying your head in the sand and pretending that it will all go away while maintaining your charade and your self-created delusion, it won't go away. The Expose is here to stay and this is the latest (biggest) stumbling block for "Sathya" Sai Baba. :-)

Try as you may, you won't over come it. :-)

Get this into your thick head:

You know jack about Shirdi. You know jack about Shirdi literature. You know jack about Shirdi devotees. You know jack about Shirdi Sai Baba. You do not know anything about Shirdi Sai Baba except from biased and slanted Sathya Sai sources which are incorrect and opportunistic. And all of this is proven.

Deal with that. :-)

Edited by author 10-08-2006 02:56 AM
"Inside the room were lecturer Sai Kumar Mahajan, the Baba’s cook Vishnu Bhatt, and a student called Anil Paitley. So too, perhaps, was Sairam. The trio had no problem entering the room and they said they had brought a telegram for the Baba from godman Chandraswamy. It was then that Radhakrishna, who was in the Baba’s suite on the first floor, came down and was immediately stabbed to death. Mahajan, too, was killed in the scuffle and Vishnu Bhatt and Paitley lay wounded.

The assailants swiftly bolted the door of the reception room but a young boy in the vicinity who witnessed the stabbing ran behind the room, throwing open the door that led to the veranda. His screams woke up devotees whoe were sleeping in adjacent rooms and they rushed to the spot."

This is the first time i am reading basava Premanand from Sanjay"s Gerald 'Joe' Moreno EXPOSED /m269 MorenoJoe.

I have not yet read it fully,but this part of the fact as it happened is wrong. 1.sai kumar mahajan was not a lecturer. He was a student who studied in Ss higher secondry school.His father was a Professor and head of the deparment (Bio Sciences and had died only one moth before this incident.SaiKumar mahajan then studied in Brindawan Campus and had come back to do his M.B.A at Parthi 2. Radhakrishna was not upstairs. Subbapiah the helper for vishnu bhatt opened the door and saw E.K (Suresh) standing their after knocking mildly.Seeing him, Radha krishana told Subbapiah to remove the security chain.He did it and went towards the kitchen.Radhakrishna asked E.K what happened, how are you etc., but e.k who had taken drugs (post mortem report told this)along with the other 3, took out a one foot dagger and cut the important vein(jagular or something) in the neck and stabbed him 3 to 4 times in the stomach by holding him from behind. Subbapiah ran out of the back door and created a stir. Vishnu Bhatt hid himself in the next room and in the dark Siram and Jagnathan stabbed him on the head.(He still has the marks).They did not know the switch.One more thing After some time when vishnu bhatt came out thinking every one has gone,he was seen by E.K who had cooled down a little.E.K told him to go inside and left him without killing him.

From Shirdi Sai to Sathya Sai

by Sharada Devi alias 'Pedda Bottu'
Prasanthi Nilayam, India, 1985.

Web Posted: July 28, 1999, Gurupoornima.

  

My mother, Manthrapragada Ramalaksmhi Devi, and my father, Venkata Narasimha Rao—who were childless in spite efforts—visited their Guru, Shirdi Sai Baba, in 1887 and prayed to him for a child. As the fruit of Shirdi Sai Baba's grace, I was born to them on August 8, 1888. Shirdi Sai Baba himself gave me my name, Shringeri Sharada Devi. As I am of fair complexion, he used to lovingly call me Gori.

In my sixth year, my elders took me on a pilgrimage to Badrinath in the Himalayas. Soon after this trip, I was arranged in marriage and moved into my husband's household in my twelfth year [as was customary in India in earlier days]. I bore six male children to my husband by the age of 23, but all of them died after living for merely three to four years of age.

As all my children were lost and I failed to bear any more children, I consented for my husband to remarry, and I moved to settle down at Shirdi in the presence of Sai Baba.

I saw Shirdi Sai Baba perform many miracles. Once, a tahasildar, an old devotee of Shirdi Baba came for Baba's darshan. On seeing him Baba said, "I am happy that you have come. I wish to have puran poli [fried sweet]. Bring me one." As there were no hotels in those days the man proceeded all the way to Kopargaon, a larger town about 20 km away from Shirdi, to have a few puran poli's prepared somehow. He brought them to Shirdi the following day for Baba's lunch time.

Baba then told him, "I have eaten my belly full. Why did you bring them? You may take them back." On hearing this, the devotee was stupefied and started weeping. He said, "Because you asked for puran poli's, I got them prepared—straining myself. How could you have your fill when you have not even started your lunch, Baba? Please eat at least one for all my labor."

Baba replied, "When you were getting the sweets prepared, I visited the place in the form of ants and ate them. Can you not believe that my stomach is really full? Look at this," so saying Baba belched and spat out some pieces of puran poli. God is the indwelling spirit of everyone. There were many instances when Baba demonstrated this truth.

Baba never failed to give succour to those who prayed to him with full faith.

One day I requested Baba to give me Mantra Upadesh (Spiritual initiation).. Baba replied, "You are young yet. I will give you Upadesh when you grow older." I waited until I was 29 years old and prayed to Baba again. He shouted at me with anger, "You are always obsessed with Upadesh!," and kicked me on the chest with his right foot.

With tears of dejection streaming down my face, I went out and laid down under a tree. I must have slept after weeping for a long time; it was very late at night when Baba came to wake me up. He asked me to follow him to the Lendi Garden. When we reached the garden, he said, "My child! I could not sleep in Dwarka Mayi [Baba's dweling] when you were lying out there without food since morning. I have brought you here, for I want to tell you something. But first you must eat."

He stretched out his right hand with palm up and said, "Allah Malik hai" (God is the master).

Two chapathis and a lemon sized kova [a sweet, made out of milk] materialized in his palm. He gave them to me to eat. Again, he stretched out his hand and this time a very small mud pot full of water materialized. When I ate and drank he asked me, "Gori, is your anger gone?" I mentally replied in all humility, "There is no anger or frustration now. I was a fool not to realize that your kick was in fact your grace. My heartfelt gratitude to you for allowing me to eat your divine materialization's." Baba then told me, "I will tell you something, but before that you should hold my feet and promise me not to tell this to anyone." With pounding heart and anticipating the much awaited Mantra Upadesh, I did as he told me.

"Gori, I will appear in Andhra [Pradesh] with the same name of Sai Baba but in another Avathar. Then again, you will come to me. I will keep you with me and give you joy." I was ecstatic in joy and said, "I am blessed my Lord, this is my greatest fortune! Should I not reveal this fact to anybody?" Baba confirmed, "No, you alone will see my second Avathar, none else will. After you have seen me in my second form, you may tell this to others when occasions arise."

This conversation between us took place in 1917. Later, I was informed that my ailing elder aunt wanted to see me at Rajahmundry. It was when I was at Rajahmundry in 1918 that I learnt that Baba had left his physical body. I was filled with a kind of inexplicable anguish.

One day my aunt told me, "I must arrange my journey on Ekadasi, day after tomorrow. Sri Baba himself appeared in my dream and called me to him." On Ekadasi she passed away with the Lord's name on her lips. I had deserted my family life due to the loss of all my sons. The parents too, who loved me, had left this world long ago. There was no longer the solace and protection I had from Baba. To top it all, now my dearest aunt was also no more! The sense of forlornness and depression was now to the full brim. I learnt that there was a number of learned saints in the hills of Dwaraka and decided to spend the rest of my life in their service.

I started off and after five days of crossing rivers in spate and fearsome forests, I reached a tunnel-like cave. I entered it, walked through its length and reached the other side. A group of people were shouting slogans in praise of a 'Sadguru Maharaj'. I soon understood that this great man was about 360 years old. I was keen on having his darshan and earn some spiritual merit. I sat in meditation under a tree but nobody came to see or talk with me. I was steeped in sorrow. On the fourth day, an old saint, presumably the Sadguru Maharaj, appeared in front of me and asked me the reason for my unhappiness. I replied that when he, the Swamiji, the all-knowing omniscient did not bother about me, I got disheartened. The great one told, "You are new to this place. I wanted to test your endurance. Now, go and take a dip in that holy lake and come back. I shall give you Upadesh." I was elated! I bathed in the holy water, returned, and received the Mantra Upadesh. Now I had a holy word to repeat in meditation and reach the highest level of serenity.

Sadguru Maharaj himself had five Masters. He showed me five caves in which each of these supreme saints sat in perpetual meditation. Sadguru Maharaj advised me to choose one of these supreme saints, sit in meditation in his company and obtain Siddhi [spiritual power]. I selected the Master of the first cave. His name was Sri Chandra Yogi. I preferred him to others because I recollected a person of the exact likeness of Sri Chandra Yogi appearing and calling me to him in a dream in my childhood days. I sat in the presence of Sri Chandra Yogi every day, repeating the mantra twenty million times and obtained the Siddhi.

I spent six more years in those holy hills. Sadguru Maharaj gave me and other disciples a series of discourses on the Vedas; Vedanta, secrets of the entire cosmos, and many topics of spiritual importance. One day the Maharaj told me, "You have learnt everything that there is to know. Now listen to me carefully. You have to do many more good deeds. The God you think you have lost is about to come into this world soon, for the uplift of the entire humanity. You will not see him in the old form with which you are familiar. He will appear in a new captivating form. He will be the most powerful Avathar and will do many extraordinary things. Hence, return to your place, learn about this lovable God and receive your salvation in his service."

I developed a great liking to the sacred atmosphere of the hills, the peaceful and calm life of meditation and the company of the holy, scholarly persons. So, it was with a heavy heart I persuaded myself to return to Hyderabad.

In an effort to spend my time, money, and strength in a beneficial activity, I planned a home for the poor, and destitute children and named it 'All India Sai Sadan'. It started functioning with eighty children. I gave them not only food and formal education, but taught them vocational activities like stitching, making toys, and other handicrafts. After some time, I began to run out of money and supplemented the income by writing Hari Kathas [short stories about God] and singing them wherever I was asked to. One day I was invited to sing a Hari Katha in a village called Uruvakonda. In the house where this event was arranged, I happened to see on the wall a photograph of a beautiful lad. He had a large crown of hair. The face and eyes were most charming and magnetic. I asked the housewife whose photo it was. She told me, "Don't you know? He is Puttaparthi Sai Baba. If you want to see him, I can take you to him tomorrow." The next day I was taken to the house of one Mr. Seshama Raju, the elder brother of Baba.. I then saw the young 14 year old Baba. It was in 1940. I was then 52 years old.

The first words that Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba uttered to me where, "Gori, you owe me 16 rupees in my Shirdi incarnation." I replied that I had already paid up all my debts to Shirdi Baba. He said, "I know. I said it because you are not able to recognize me. Otherwise, you would have fallen at my feet. All right! After completing all your tasks at the Poor Home you are running, go to Puttaparthi. I shall retain you with me and shall bestow all the joy you want." For the next 17 years, I used to visit Puttaparthi frequently and spend a few months every time in the divine presence of Baba. In 1958, when I was 70, I closed down the Poor Home and went to Puttaparthi to spend the rest of my life there. Baba gave me an apartment to stay in the ashram.

Once I was ill when Baba was away at Bangalore. In spite of my indisposition, I wanted to perform my duty as a lady volunteer in maintenance of discipline and silence in the temple premises. It was 6:30 PM. The post-bhajan meditation pactice was in progress. Suddenly I noticed Bhagavan Baba beckoning me into the temple corridor. Since meditation was going on, he was naturally motioning his hand silently but it was clear he wanted me to go to him. How can Baba be here too at the Puttaparthi temple, when he was in Bangalore right at that moment? I was sure it was some apparition; my sick mind was evidently playing tricks. I looked the other way for a moment and again turned back. Baba was very much there. Losing faith in my faculties, I looked away. This time Baba walked towards me and said very audibly, "Come!" I had to believe the voice at least. Baba might have returned from Bangalore without my knowing it.

He materialised Vibhutti and gave me to cure my illness with. He then motioned me to take Padnamaskar. Filled with bliss at his loving concern for me, I bowed down and had the Padnamaskar. When I raised my head there was no Baba to be seen anywhere. By this time, I was surrounded by many women. Serious doubts of my mental soundness was being freely exchanged. There were few takers when I narrated what actually happened. I showed them the Vibhutti that Baba had given me. Some, at least, in the group must have thought I was a blessed soul. I began to feel better when I ate the Vibhutti. By next morning, I was fit as a fiddle.

This happened again when Baba was away at Bangalore. My eye was swollen and red. The eyelid was hanging down swollen and red. The eyelid was ha and it was giving me excruciating pain. The doctor at the Puttaparthi hospital told that it was a serious condition and that an operation was necessary. I was scared out of my wits and rushed to Bangalore. Baba saw me and admonished, "Why did you come here?"

I wailed, "You are the Lord of all creation. Where else can I go? Look at my eye. I came here because I could not bear the pain." He materialised Vibhutti and poured the entire stuff into my eye. He asked me to close the eye and led me to a place to lie down. He called a security guard and instructed him, "Nobody should disturb this old lady as long as she sleeps.." I slept until eight o'clock the next morning. Baba came and examined the eye. He said, "It is normal. Now go back to Puttaparthi and attend to your duties. I shall return tomorrow." On another occasion, I went to Baba complaining of a stomach ache. He materialised Vibhutti with the familiar rotation of his hand and asked me to smear it on my forehead in the form of a big Bottu (dot). Baba added, "Your stomach pain will vanish. And from now on you will be called Pedda Bottu (Big dot)!" Thus Pedda Bottu became my permanent name."

Shreemata Sharada Devi alias 'Pedda Bottu' has left her mortal frame several years back. We are grateful and delighted to have a share in her innocent and unusal story.

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Edited by author 10-07-2006 05:39 AM
/m373

According to Narasimha's biography, Narasimha did not even know about Shirdi Sai Baba until 1936 Sanjay! It also states in his biography that VERY few people knew about Shirdi in the late 1930s. Even then, Narasimha had language barriers to deal with because he spoke only a little Marathi. So, unless one spoke Marathi, one was very unlikey to have heard about Shirdi Sai Baba at that time.



BECOMES A SAI DEVOTEE

In 1936, Narasimha Swamiji visited the Samadhi of Sri Sai Baba. It was a memorable event in his life. He stood silently watching the Samadhi. It was the happiest moment in his life. Baba spoke to him in eloquent silence... Sai Baba kindled the light in Swamiji. It was an everlasting, spiritual bliss lo him. He expressed his joy as follows :

"My hunger for spiritual food was not satisfied, till I came to Shirdi. At Shirdi, I was given more than I could lake. I had at last discovered my Sadguru. He is Samartha Sadguru and I live in constant communion with him."

Swamiji was surprised to find, how, for nearly sixty years, a great saint had lived and blessed so many in that neglected village. Swamiji wanted all to experience this spiritual bliss, which Sai Baba can bestow on us. In nineteen thirties, the number of persons seeking solace at the feet of Sri Sai Baba of Shirdi was very small. He also wanted to carry Baba's message to his home province touring every town and village and spread Baba's gospel everywhere in India. He knew enough Marathi to seek and collect information from those, who were lucky enough to come into personal contact with his Master, Sai Maharaj.

In this way, he met and interviewed more than sixty devotees, who had personally seen Sri Baba. Among them were Abdul, Dasganu Maharaj, Sri M.B. Rege etc. Swamiji made enquiries and recorded their experiences, which revealed, how Baba had helped His devotees from danger. Then, with justice Rege, he toured Maharashtra, addressing mass meetings in English and Marathi in many places. Meanwhile, he wrote a series of articles on Sai Baba in the 'Sunday Times' of Madras. All these activities occupied him till the end of 1938 and in the beginning of 1939, he returned to Madras.

Edited by author 01-23-2008 03:57 AM
/m368

Gee Sanjay how can I make this ANY clearer to you? I do NOT consider YOU a reliable (or sane) source. Got that? YOU are definitely NOT guru or college material! Why would I listen to a morally and mentally warped person who I found was perusing jesus porn groups, lying about his past experiences with Vimalananda, sexually exploiting women with his camera, etc.?

The only thing you are really good at is continuously making a fool of yourself over and over again. The only people who listen to you and take you seriously are other perverts and alcoholics who, like you, claim to be moral stalwarts.

One thing is certain. You all deserve each other.

Edited by author 03-01-2008 11:55 PM
/m383

What I think is funny, is that Sanjay is so deluded as to think HE is going to bring Sai Baba down by writing about him! If simply writing about Sai Baba could bring him down, it would have been accomplished long ago given that even before the internet existed people who lived in India were writing bad things about him, trying to poison him, etc..

Sanjay is too blind to see his own selective argumentation, ad hominem attacks, contradictory waffling and denial of certain facts which will in the end take him nowhere.

Dadlani quotes authors/sources as authorities when they suit his argument and liars when they do not. This is typical of the anti-Sai behavior and double standard.
 
What the anti-Sais REFUSE to acknowledge is that there are NUMEROUS corroborative WITNESSES to Sai Baba's miracles which, in addition to these corroborative witnesses, include documentation such as in the case of healings, etc. Anyone who says this does not exist is a liar.
Even government officials say it is so, yet the handful of anti-Sais, most of whom are WHITE, many of whom have very shady mental health and/or criminal histories or religious agendas, think everyone should consider them MORE credible than the massive documentation regarding Sai Baba's history.

The anti-Sais want everyone to just believe them because they say so, yet call us "true believers" because we don't just fall for every hook, line and sinker they throw at us. If only they could make up their minds and quit contradicting themselves! And these are the people who originally wrote VERY positive books about Sai Baba or brag they were devotees for ten or twenty years! Now they think they have seen the light and everyone else is blind. All one hundred or so of them. The internet became their guru and they suddenly "saw the light." Decades of DIRECT experiences be damned.



Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

The big question is: If Kasturi could not get his facts right (as Sanjay contends), then who did? Still waiting for an answer :-)

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Sanjay, get your facts right for once! I believe in Sathya Sai Baba due to my own personal, spiritual experiences with him. I am not a devotee, however. I have a favorable view about Baba. Once again, you are twisting facts and telling your pathological lies because that is all you can argue with. This discussion has been very revealing. You just utterly compromised all the arguments you have been trying to make. Thank you :-)

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Too funny, now Sanjay said the following:

"Poor Morono still doesn't get it. I can do anything I want since I am dealing with a bunch of confirmed liars. :-) Raju is a lair and Venkamma is a liar too. Nobody can explain how they could have access to Shirdi paraphernalia in a village that was supposedly cut off from the outside world, lol." /m381

First Sanjay argued that Sathya Sai Baba was not bitten by a scorpion based on Baba's own words and tried to refute Baba's words by citing Venkamma:

"Titter ye not, for Raju was in the bathroom when he was bitten and himself said that he was bitten by a scorpion, according to his own sister Venkamma." /m370

Since Sanjay just conceded that Venkamma is a liar, then WHY is Sanjay citing her as an authority on what really happened to Baba? If Baba and Venkamma are liars, then where is Sanjay getting his accurate & truthful information from? According to Sanjay, none of these devotees and relatives are trustworthy. Therefore, all these citations are useless in revealing the truth because there are NO non-devotee biographies on Baba. Sanjay is clueless. Sanjay has no proof to support any of his conspiracy theories. It's all fluff, deception and imagination.

Sanjay, tsk. Your girly, shrieking and vitriolic hissy fits give the impression that you are coming undone at the seams. Calm down and do some japa. lol

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Aw shucks! I let Sicko Morono do it to me again! Dragging me down into his quagmire and whirlpool of ad-hominem attacks.

This pervert is pathologially incapable of defending Sai Baba in a public forum, what to speak of presenting a reasonable, rational, sensible and logical statement to save his life.

Observe his pathetic downward spiral while I go to sleep. I have no more need to discuss Puttaparthi Raju's lies with people who cannot even explain why they defend him without believing in him. :-)

For the last time tonight:

Gerald 'Joe' Moreno EXPOSED /m269 MorenoJoe

:-)

Edited by author 10-07-2006 01:29 AM

Sick pervert Gerald Moreno!

Nothing is free from his sexual perversions. First he spends an entire page talking about excrement, then he spends time talking about Sai Baba's genitals, then he talks about anuses and genitals, then he talks about covering himself with animal excrement, then he starts talking about bestiality (sex with animals), then he starts posting onto teen porn sites, then he starts projecting his own homosexual desires onto other people,...

And now this sick pervert thinks that I have incestuous homosexual feelings towards my own brother.

Nothing is free from the sick purview of this thoroughly despicable and sexually immoral pervert who cries when he thinks about the ocean.

Sick Pervert Moreno /m269

Re /m377:

"Now you are claiming that 'Narayana Baba' (a trance medium who is alleged to materialize stuff) is an authority on Shirdi Sai Baba because he says so! lol"

Read the quote properly, dumbloon. It is sourced from a challenge to behavioural sciences from Sai Baba by Satya Pal Ruhela and Duane Robinson (both well-known devotees). You're very fond of "investigative reports" aren't you, since we know you like to deceive people into thinking that Puttaparthi Sai baba has been "scientifically investigated" when he hasn't. :-)

Do I look like I care about this investigative report? :-) If you care to read the original source, you'd see that as recently as 1982 devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba, who manifested the same powers as Sathya Sai Baba stated that he (Shirdi) has not reincarnated. So tough luck. And we are not talking about the mechanics of reincarnation per se, dumbloon, just the fact that Puttaparthi Sai Baba is a big fat liar when he claimed to be Shirdi's reinc. :-)

"One will also notice that Sanjay could not provide any conclusive evidence to support his claims about dates, etc."

Is Joe Moreno dumb or something? I just stated that it's coming soon: /m372

In fact I just scanned the "conclusive evidence2 yesterday, lol. As if Moreno has any "conclusive evidence" to prove his points when all he has are the fairy-tales of Kasturi who took twelve years to write a book and couldn't even get his facts straight, lol.

"Yes, (according to Sanjay) Venkamma is an authority on Sathya Sai Baba. Her numerous statments about Baba's divinity, miracles and avatarhood must also be accepted with her statements that Baba was bit by a scorpion. You can't accept one story and reject the others."

Poor Morono still doesn't get it. I can do anything I want since I am dealing with a bunch of confirmed liars. :-) Raju is a lair and Venkamma is a liar too. Nobody can explain how they could have access to Shirdi paraphernalia in a village that was supposedly cut off from the outside world, lol.

Liar Morono EXPOSED! /m269

Sanjay, want to talk sleazy lies? You are the sleaziest liar of them all. Backed up with proof:

- Sanjay's Yahoo Photo Album Lies
- More Lies: Trying to Keep Up
- Did Dr. Naresh Bhatia Molest Females?
- Is Tony O'Clery Bisexual/Homosexual And A Molestor?
- Was Glen Meloy A "Disturbed Person"?
- Arnold Schulman And The Alleged "Serpentine Lie"
- The Aghori Vimalananda Lie
- Kishore Dadlani - Vicious Slanderer Extraordinaire
- Pious Pretenses
- Sanjay's Pseudo-Devotee Status
- The Meat Eating Vegetarian
- Stunning Tony O'Clery & Glen Meloy Update

And regarding your claim that I am wrong for "highlighting a 'contradiction' from when I was a devotee (prior to six years ago!)" holds no water because you promoted the fact that Baba's words were not accurately translated even as an Anti-Sai Activist. It is even posted on Anti-Sai Sites: Memories of a still thinking, not quite brainwashed, ex-devotee. As I said before, you are pathetic :-)

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Sanjay, want to talk incest? How about your incestuous homoeroticism for your own cousin? You are pathetic.

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

And just for the record since 'Morono' keeps bringing it up, and especially for those readers who do not know much about Sathya Sai Baba in the first place, the subject of correct translations is academic.

As a devotee, I lamented that the discourses of Sai Baba were not properly translated. As a critic, it makes no difference to me because what is published works very well to prove my case, whereas what isn't published has been deleted from the records to hide Sai Baba's putrid lies. :-)

Secondly, it is open knowledge that everything published in Sai Baba's ashram meets with his approval for publication. Hear that? Every published discourse is approved. So if there is any inconsistency on Sai Baba's part due to faulty translations or whatever, it is Sai Baba who is to be held responsible since it was published under his approval.

Highlighting a "contradiction" from when I was a devotee (prior to six years ago!) will make no difference. Sai Baba is a loose-lipped liar, pure and simple. :-) Lies upon lies upon lies upon lies upon more sleazy lies. :-)

/m374

Too funny Sanjay! Now you are claiming that "Narayana Baba" (a trance medium who is alleged to materialize stuff) is an authority on Shirdi Sai Baba because he says so! lol

As I said before, these are the ridiculously low standards that Sanjay uses and abuses to promote his smear campaigns against Sathya Sai Baba.

One will also notice that Sanjay could not provide any conclusive evidence to support his claims about dates, etc. Yes, (according to Sanjay) Venkamma is an authority on Sathya Sai Baba. Her numerous statments about Baba's divinity, miracles and avatarhood must also be accepted with her statements that Baba was bit by a scorpion. You can't accept one story and reject the others.

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Hey Morono! Don't change the subject, you sly rascal! :-) We know how desperate you are to be relevant, don't we? ;-)

Sai Baba, your beloved guru, is an inbreed. Venkamma is an inbreed. Venkamma married her own uncle, her mother's brother, and had his children. Raju wanted fame. Raju wanted attention from the townspeople who thought he was a moronic child. Raju decided to proclaim himself as the reincarnation of a well-known saint. Raju is a liar. :-)

Also, regarding Sanjay's comment:

"Even after (Sathya) Sai Baba has been fully exposed has a liar through his own statements".

Sanjay admitted, even going back to the time he was a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba (extolling Baba as God based on "personal experience") that the translated words from Sathya Sai Baba were not accurate or literal translations. As a matter of fact, Sanjay said:

"Fine. I don't believe that. Why? Why because, I wouldn't know about his WRITINGS [translated (correctly?) from Telugu to English] but his DISCOURSES are most definitely not presented correctly. In fact, when I discovered this, it was the MAJOR reason why I disconnected myself from the Org. I cannot rely on anything which is published in Sanathana Sarathi, Sathya Sai Speaks, Summer Showers, etc as the ACTUAL word of Sai Baba. Another shocking statement. Cool huh? :)" (Reference)

As a matter of fact, I blogged about this on my article entitled Sanjay Dadlani and Brian Steel's Flip-Flopping .

Although Sanjay made his comment dating back to November of 2000, he currently dismisses his past statements and tries to argue that the English translations accurately reflect Sathya Sai Baba's words in Telugu. More flip-flopping from the wishy-washy and psychologically unstable Anti-Sai Activist, Sanjay Kishore Dadlani

Edited by author 10-07-2006 01:03 AM
As recently as 1982, a certain Narayana Baba of Hyderabad claimed that Shirdi Sai Baba had not reincarnated:

"He says the disembodied soul of his guru (that is, Sai Baba) talks to him. He sits before a framed photograph of the Sai Baba of Shirdi and looks at it for enlightenment... With the help of his guru's spirit, he is even able to materialise rings, lockets, and vibhuti [ash] from thin air. When asked how he produces these things he declares that the spirit of his departed guru gives them in his hands, so that when he opens his fists the object is there." - Ruhela, 'Sai Baba And His Message', p. 133-34.

:-)

Gerald 'Joe' Morono EXPOSED! /m269

Edited by author 10-07-2006 01:00 AM
Re /m371:

"If Venkamma was right about the scorpion incident, then she is also right about the numerous miracles and healings she also attributed to Sathya Sai Baba."

WRONG!

One of Venkamma's favourite stories is how she repeatedly begged Raju to provide her with a picture of Shirdi Sai Baba, since Raju was guffing all the time about Shirdi Baba and apparently no one knew anything about Shirdi Baba (ha ha ha, cough cough!).

Now why would Venkamma beg Raju for a Shirdi picture when they were freely available in Puttaparthi? What to speak of the fact that not one, but two of her own uncles were devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba way before Raju went off on his acid trip? :-) And, oh yeah, please do remember that Raju (and why not Venkamma too?) was attending Shirdi bhajans regularly in the house of a villager who had been personally trained by Narasimha Swamiji, and who got the picture of Shirdi Baba from him? :-)

Conclusion: Evidence suggests that Venkamma Raju was a party to Raju's increasing pile of lies upon lies.

'Morono' EXPOSED! /m269

Edited by author 10-07-2006 12:59 AM
Dear Dumbloon, :-)

A good question you ask, my little glasshoppa. :-)

The First Wave was about Puttaparthi Raju's terrible inbreeding.

The Second Wave was about Puttaparthi Raju's terrible Shirdi Lies.

The Third Wave is coming soon. :-) It'll explain everything. :-)

I've been giving the clues all along, but you are obviously too thick to work it out. :-) Why do you want me to answer your questions when, according to you, I am a "pathological liar"? :-) Dink! Caught out contradicting yourself again. :-) Do your own research, faggotface, and stop questioning mine. You are not in a position to question or criticise my findings because you do not have refuting information. All you have are the fairy-tales of Narayan Kasturi, who had a full twelve years to do his reseach and couldn't_even_get_one_basic_fact_right. Lol.

Gerald 'Joe' Moreno FULLY EXPOSED: /m269

Edited by author 10-07-2006 12:39 AM
The only person "full of lies" is the pathological liar, Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED").

Do tell us who got the dates right? Kasturi, LIMF or others? Why and how do you conclusively know? Funny how Sanjay keeps citing the words of devotees and relatives who fully accepted Baba's divinity. If Venkamma was right about the scorpion incident, then she is also right about the numerous miracles and healings she also attributed to Sathya Sai Baba.

Sanjay's new word "dumbloon". Kind of fits his last name well: Sanjay Dumblooni. lol

Sanjay Fully Exposed: /m272

Dear Dumbloons, :-)

one must also consider Puttaparthi Raju's public lie about not being bitten by a scorpion as he stated in a public discourse. How likely is this when a scorpion bite was the most likely cause in a town (Uravakonda) that was known for it's poisonous snakes and scorpions?

Titter ye not, for Raju was in the bathroom when he was bitten and himself said that he was bitten by a scorpion, according to his own sister Venkamma.

Is this important, to be bitten or not by a scorpion? Maybe, maybe not, but we all know that Puttaparthi Raju is full of lies, lies, and more lies. :-)

Dear Dumbloons, :-)

please remember that N. Kasturi, Puttaparthi Raju's authorised biographer, was personally charged with the task of investigating Raju's life details through interviews with Raju himself, his family, kinsmen, classmates, villages, and so on, with the full approval of Raju.

Kasturi was charged with this fantastic responsibility in July 1948, and the first part of Sathyam Sivam Sundaram was published in 1960. In the twelve years that it took to complete this project, Kasturi couldn't even get one fact right, namely that the declaration happened in 1943 and not 1940 as the biographies suggest. LOL!

Mind you, he didn't even get the date right either. Sai Baba was bitten by a scorpion on 8th March (1940) according to Kasturi, but he was actually bitten on the 4th March (1943) according to the facts. You may ask, and rightly so, what does it matter?

It matters because this is another example of Kasturi's poor research skills. Sai Baba was bitten by the scorpion on Sivaratri night of that year, which means Kasturi couldn't even be bothered to check the almanac and figure out which date was Sivaratri even if he did get the year wrong too! :-) Maybe he did if he thought it was 1940 but who cares, he is still wrong. :-)

Think about that, dumbloons. :-)

Re /m365:

"Like I said Sanjay, as usual you have NO idea what you are talking about. I'm not going to waste any more of my time on your idiocy. You've had almost four years of it and you are still just as dishonest and as blind as you were in the beginning."

No, you don't know what you are talking about. And since you continue to believe (obviously) that Sathya Sai is the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai in spite of all the evidence that has been made public, you are intellectually dishonest and blind, and no one is going to waste their time with your idiocy.

If you cannot even comprehend the fact that Sai Baba's own brother thought he was a liar, then nothing on earth can save you from the delusion that you are embroiled in. :-)

"When you can hold Krishna et al to the same standards you are trying to push on Sai Baba, then maybe someone will take you seriously. Until then you are just a hypocritical Krishna thumper."

Who spoke of Krishna? When did Krishna come into this? For your information, Krishna never claimed to be the reincarnation of anybody else. And even if he was, I can bet that he would make a damn better job of it than this pervert and charlatan liar Puttaparthi Raju boy. :-) He was so thick that he missed his one and only chance at fame by failing to impress Narasimha Swamiji and didn't even merit a mention in the latter's book! This is probably the first episode where Raju didn't know who had come to him, and after Raju pulled out his hair after realising what a major chance he missed, he resolved that he would cheat by getting his agents to immediately report any new arrivals coming to check him out, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. :-)

"if you are going to regulate religious claims then you must regulate ALL claims."

Get it into your head, this is not a board to regulate "all" claims. We are strictly concerned with discussing Puttaparthi Sai Baba here. Puttaparthi Sai Baba has just suffered possibly the biggest expose of his life since his whole empire rests on that one 1940, oops, 1943, claim to being Shirdi Sai Baba. Ha ha ha ha ha.

"Like I said, if you have claims of fraud put your money where your big mouth is and file a court case and quit whining on the internet. Fraud IS a legally actionable offense and VERY easy to prove in court so you are not fooling anyone but yourself. Grow up and get with the program bozo."

And how, precisely, are we meant to take this issue into court? It is extremely advantageous to Puttaparthi Sai Baba that Shirdi Sai Baba is no longer around to stand up in court and claim his own authenticity. Therefore Puttaparthi Raju can get away with saying anything like he thinks he has go away with so far! Alas no! We now know that two of Raju's own uncles were Shirdi devotees, not to mention that Raju himself was attending Shirdi bhajans in the houses of those who were personally trained in Shirdi worship by Narasimha Swamiji.

This is not an issue for me. This is an issue for you dumbloons. :-) nSai Baba is a liar, get used to it. Nothing can save him now. :-)

Ever thought why he has never visited Shirdi? :-) Even I've been to Shirdi, lol.

Edited by author 10-07-2006 12:05 AM
What a laughably pathetic defence of Sathya Sai Baba's documented lies about Shirdi Sai Baba! Ha ha ha ha ha ha, oh my!

Even after (Sathya) Sai Baba has been fully exposed has a liar through his own statements as well as the statements of his own contemporaries and other (devotee) researchers, these pathetic rottweilers still manage to find a way to poorly spin this to their own "benefit" and try to blame or castigate former devotees for their use of devotional material to prove said lies! :-) Who asked for Moreno's opinion or evaluation anyway? Moreno is incapable of coming up with any refutation on this issue and has been rendered impotent.

ROFL!

Please try again, as computer games often say. :-)

Oh and by the way, Mowweno, new evidence is coming that will completely blow apart your equally pathetic 'Brian Steel' argument, LOL! Well, to be fair, it's not exactly "new", but I have just recently discovered it and will fully employ it in my ongoing investigations into Sai Baba's fraudulence, lol.

Tough luck, Sai Baba is fully exposed as a liar! His claims to being Shirdi Sai Baba is very suspicious and his whole empire is set to crumble, given that it is all based on that one Shirdi declaration. Apologists like Gerald/Joe108 cannot construct a sensible, rational and logical argument to save their lives, which is why they always resort to irrelevant ad-hominem attacks on former devotees. They cannot explain how Sai Baba could publicly declare that no on in Puttaparthi knew about Shirdi Sai Baba, when they all did! So tough luck, stand back and watch the empire crumble into dust. :-)

Edited by author 10-06-2006 02:26 AM
For other readers on this board, here is "my take" about all this talk regarding Shirdi Sai Baba, Sathya Sai Baba and other related issues. My observation is one that I have not seen voiced before, so I will voice it now.

Anti-Sai Activists, including Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"), ceaselessly and unremittingly accuse Sai devotees of being: cult members, brainwashed, unreliable, idiotic, dishonest, deceitful, subjective, inaccurate, biased, minions, ignorant, repressed, prejudiced, projectors, exaggerators, escapists, weak in intellect, easily influenced, highly impressionable, in self-denial, irrational, illogical, embellishers, in turmoil, misguided, cultish, one's who lack common sense, one's having personality problems, one's who hallucinate, one's who possess neuroses and psychoses, one's who lack self-confidence, etc. (the list or slurs and aspersions goes on and on).

After making all these accusations against the integrity and credibility of devotees, Anti-Sai Activists then make their case against Sathya Sai Baba by citing the words of and comments and books written by DEVOTEES!

Anti-Sai Activists are a bunch of flip-floppers who are incapable of making a consistent and sober argument against Sri Sathya Sai Baba. This is also evidenced in the article I wrote about Brian Steel in which he prattled against the integrity and accuracy of English discourse translations, yet then cited these same inaccurate English discourse translations as accurate and factual references against Sri Sathya Sai Baba!

Fully exposed perverts, deviants and pathological liars like "Sai Baba EXPOSED" (aka Sanjay Kishore Dadlani) fail to understand that they fully compromise their own arguments and positions against Baba. If we are to believe Anti-Sai Activists, then we must believe that Sai Devotees are honest, truthful, accurate, factual and objective. Why cite their books, words or publications otherwise?

Sanjay Exposed: /m272

Edited by author 11-01-2006 10:34 PM
Like I said Sanjay, as usual you have NO idea what you are talking about. I'm not going to waste any more of my time on your idiocy. You've had almost four years of it and you are still just as dishonest and as blind as you were in the beginning. When you can hold Krishna et al to the same standards you are trying to push on Sai Baba, then maybe someone will take you seriously. Until then you are just a hypocritical Krishna thumper. If you are going to regulate religious claims then you must regulate ALL claims. You know this will never happened because the nature of religion is such that it is not possible nor wise. Like I said, if you have claims of fraud put your money where your big mouth is and file a court case and quit whining on the internet. Fraud IS a legally actionable offense and VERY easy to prove in court so you are not fooling anyone but yourself. Grow up and get with the program bozo.

Edited by author 10-06-2006 01:45 AM
In the "official biography", there is a story about how Venkamma, Raju's sister, was fascinated with all the talk of Shirdi Baba after Raju's proclamation, and begged Raju to get her a picture of the Shirdi Baba. The biography then states (in a long-winded way) that Raju procured a picture for her by miraculous means.

Why the need for miracles, when Shirdi Baba photos were freely available in Puttaparthi? When Raju himself was worshipping one, and keeping it in his shirt pocket? When a villager was personally trained in Shirdi worship by Narasimha Swamiji and had prcured pictures of the Baba from him?

These questions and many others cannot be answered by faggotfaces like Gerald Moreno, who can only repeat himself and drool on endlessly contradicting himself about Krishna, fake miracles, sexual abuse, and so on. Pity.

Get it through your thick head, it is OVER!

EXPOSED! /m269 :-)

Goodnight. :-)

Gerald, why are you refusing to address the fact that you are an apologist for homosexual paedophilia, murders, drug-running, financial scandals, false miracles, ad infinitum? Funny enough, the incidents you cite as doubtful are fully supported by your beloved guru as genuine.

Even hilarious than that, your homosexual guru has just been exposed in public for possibly his biggest lie ever (Shirdi), yet you don't even have the guts to accept it? Tsk tsk tsk, because you know you'll shoot yourself in the feet. :-)

I've told you before, don't talk to me unless you have something worthwhile to respond to instead of talking about homosexuality and your own homosexual inclinations, sausage boy.

Mo-wenno, your beloved guru is such a small gnat that he didn't even merit a mention in Narasimha Swami's book, how does that make you feel? Burning with rage? :-)

Remember, Sai Baba had supposedly declared his 'fullness' on 20th October 1940 (oops, 1943!) and was openly behaving like the avatar he proclaimed himself to be. Still Narasimha Swami was not impressed and only discussed a Karur boy and a Bangalore girl. Oh dear, he missed his one and only chance of fame in Shirdi circles and blew it. :-)

Now go away, sausage boy, and come back when you have something worthy of my attention. You have the attention span of an ant, and I am not amused by your childish behaviour.

Sanjay, why are you refusing to address the fact that you are a miracle-monger who believes, accepts and promotes belief in miracles? Funny enough, the miracles you promote cannot be proven or examined because they allegedly occurred 5,000 to several hundred-million years ago. lol

Nice term there "faggotface".

Coincidentally, I updated my blog about your Incestuous Homoeroticism and your Homosexualization Of Everything I Say. Everytime you open your big mouth, you confirm this basic truth that you are obsessed with homosexuals and homosexuality.

Been feeling "Evlisssy" recently? lol

There is no rationalizing with a self-professed drunk, a psychopath and a person who fantasizes about slicing his flesh with razors and licking the barrel of a gun before blowing his brains out (Reference With Pictures). Go bark up some other tree :-)

Updated: Full Exposure: See /m272

Gerald Moreno stupidly argues for the authenticity of Sai Baba's miracles. Why is Krishna exempt from this if he is also God, and especially if Sai Baba claims to be the selfsame Krishna too? LOL!

EXPOSED! /m269 :-)

Excuse me, but can someone explain to me how Puttaparthi could be ignorant of Shirdi Sai Baba, and everyone was surprised to hear Sathyanarayana Raju declare his previous avatar "out of the blue", when two of his uncles were devotees way before he declared anything?

No wonder he was initially treated with scorn, they thought he had lost his marbles!

[Pssst! He had. :-)]

Edited by author 10-06-2006 01:13 AM
What kind of drugs is Joe Moreno on? Of course it matters what Sathya Sai Baba says about these "alleged" miracles, since Moreno brought it up. It only goes to show that when Moreno argues along these lines, it is extremely weak and he shoots himself in both feet.

And I don't need to say it again but I will, just for fun :-), that this forum is meant to discuss Sathya Sai Baba and not me, so keep on attacking me all you like, you only continue to prove your irrelevance here. Sai Baba's biggest works of authorship are Ramakatha Rasavahini and Bhagavatha Vahini which, surprise surprise, is packed full of "fanciful" miracle stories relating to the lives of Rama and Krishna. Gerald Moreno ("Joe108") tears out his hair and gnashes his teeth at this fact, because it conflicts with the "rational" and "logical" stance which he is pretending to take.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha, talk about shooting yourself in both feet! He argues against Krishna, whereas his guru Sai Baba loves Krishna and authenticates everything. LOL!

Notice how Gerald Moreno tried to publicly deceive people into thinking that Sathya Sai Baba's miracles were "thoroughly investigated" by Haraldsson when they were not. His requests for experimentation were denied by the Baba himself, so anything he wrote was purely observational and based on devotee testimonies, that are biased. Tough luck. Sai Baba is a fantastic liar, he has been lying about his Shirdi avatarhood since 1940. Oops, sorry, I mean 1943. LOL.

Moreno Exposed: /m269

:-)

Discuss Sai Baba here, faggotface, and stop obsessing over me.

Sanjay, it is your opinion that Sathya Sai Baba is a fraud, so it does not matter what SSB said about these alleged miracles. The fact remains that you are a Hare Krishna Congregational Member who solicits the authenticity and incontestability of alleged miracles attributed to Lord Krishna. Far be it for a miracle-monger such as yourself to be attempting to deceive others with the facade that you are skeptical and rational when you are neither :-)

Blog Exposing Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

Full Exposure: See /m272

So do any of the braindead nitwits here have a clue why 1943 became 1940 in the "official biographies"?

Shall I give a clue?

No, I won't. :-)

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") fully exposed:

See /m272

There is absolutely no proof that Lord Krishna performed any miracles or manifested any powers :-)

Sanjay fully believes in Sri Krishna's alleged miracles and powers and even preaches that they are genuine and actually occurred. For example, Sanjay believes that Lord Krishna literally manifested 16,000 separate, physical bodies, married 16,000 separate women and copulated with each and every single one of them and begat many children. Sanjay is hardly the one to be taking a skeptical or critical stance when he believes in these things himself. Lump that :-)

Blog Exposing Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

Edited by author 10-05-2006 10:30 PM
Re /m349:

"The only thing that is devastating Sanjay is how you keep babbling incoherently thinking you actually know what you are talking about or are making sense."

I know full well what I am talking about. :-) Sai Baba the Liar lied to the media (as well as countless other people) that he was the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba, and that his knowledge about it when no one else knew is proof of the fact. Not to mention that his whole facade is hinged on that declaration. We now know that this is a complete lie.

How could Sai Baba be bitten by a scorpion in 1940 and then declare himself as (Shirdi) Sai Baba a couple of months later, when he was attending school and worshipping a small picture of Shirdi Baba in 1941? How could no one in Puttaparthi know anything about Shirdi Sai Baba, when two of Raju's (Sathya Sai's) uncles were open devotees of Shirdi Baba, not to mention that Raju himself regularly attended Shirdi bhajans? Even when the host of these bhajans was personally trained by Narasimha Swamiji? Even his own classmates testify that he used to worship Shirdi Sai Baba, so how couldn't anyone know who he was?

Raju was such a small fry that he didn't even merit a place in Narasimha Swamiji's four-volume Shirdi epic, especially in the section where possible reincarnations are discussed. On the contrary, Narasimha Swamiji specifically discussed just two people, a boy from Karur and a girl from Bangalore, whom he personally exposed as frauds. Raju did not even make a mention, despite the book being first published well over a decade after their supposed meeting (Narasimha and Raju's). There is only a vague hint about materialisations that could have referred to anybody. :-)

I know full well what I am talking about, whereas unquestioning devotees satisfy themselves with Kasturi's poorly-researched fairy stories that are self-contradictory. And there is much more to come. :-)

Let's get a few facts correct: Erlendur Haraldsson's "investigations" were not "thoroughly performed". He admits in his book that his requests for a scientific investigation were denied by Sathya Sai Baba. Consequently much of the accounts related in his book are strictly observational and rely almost wholly on the testimony of devotees, which is hardly unbiased. So the spurious claims about this phenomena having being investigated by a "third-party" are without basis.

And for the record, I have visited Sai Sruti many times, and several former followers have visited Srirangapatnam.

I personally couldn't care less for any of these "supernatural" paranormal phenomenas because there is no proof that any of these phenomenas are performed directly or indirectly by Sai Baba. One could very easily claim that these phenomenas are faked, just as easy as it is to put vibhuti on the inside of a glass frame and claim that it has miraculously manifested. More concentration is focused on miracles that are supposed to occur directly from Sai Baba's person, and this includes the alleged materialisation of vibhuti, rings, necklaces, watches, and so on. Concentrate on that instead of living in a cloud-cuckoo land of ash and honey emrging from pictures and the like.

Edited by author 10-04-2006 01:09 PM
/m335
BeastMaster, you are dismissing paranormal phenomena that have been investigated by a "neutral third party" (Erlendur Haraldsson) and are focusing on other alleged paranormal phenomena you have ascertained have not been investigated by a "neutral third party". In one instance, you dismiss the "neutral third party" and in another instance you demand it. You are cherry-picking your critiques.

These alleged manifestations (which, once again, are not limited to vibuthi) have not been investigated by critics and skeptics although they allege this phenomena is fraudulent. Critics draw conclusion a priori without viewing the alleged phenomena first-hand. Critics have had every opportunity to expose these alleged manifestions that they consider fradulent. They have chosen the path of long-distance speculative rationalizations.

Devotees accept these alleged manifestations as signs from Sathya Sai Baba and do not require further proof for themselves. They do not see a reason to prove what they believe to be real.

The bigger question is why haven't you investigated it for yourself? It is amusing that you ask that Sai Devotees (of all people) acquire a "neutral third party" to investigate the alleged materializations happening in their homes. Will you accept the findings of a "neutral third party" selected by Sai Devotees? The critera you demand is compromised. No matter what the results, you will find a reason not to accept the results.

It is also amusing that you are attempting to request a formal investigation on a forum board. If you were truly interested, one would think you would make other efforts than the superficial ones you are making here.

Regarding your comment:

"How is the holy ash which is made of cow dung is reaching the picture frames?"

- How do you know that the alleged materialized vibuthi is made from cow dung?

- What "neutral third party" supplied you with this information?

- Why are you claiming you know what the vibuthi is allegedly made of if you already acknowledged that no independent research has been conducted about these alleged vibuthi manifestations? In other words, where are you getting your information from? Since you set the standard of a "neutral third party", I would like the name to the "neutral third party" who gave you this information. Surely, you are not basing your words on speculation, assumption, conjecture or the words of a non-independent source? Are you?

Regarding your comment:

"How is honey which is nectar from the flowers collected and processed by bees is oozing from the glass plate of the pictures"

- Amrita is not honey.

- What "neutral third party" gave you the information that amrita is honey?

- Why would you claim that amrita is honey in the