Edited by author 10-05-2006 10:30 PM
Re /m349:

"The only thing that is devastating Sanjay is how you keep babbling incoherently thinking you actually know what you are talking about or are making sense."

I know full well what I am talking about. :-) Sai Baba the Liar lied to the media (as well as countless other people) that he was the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba, and that his knowledge about it when no one else knew is proof of the fact. Not to mention that his whole facade is hinged on that declaration. We now know that this is a complete lie.

How could Sai Baba be bitten by a scorpion in 1940 and then declare himself as (Shirdi) Sai Baba a couple of months later, when he was attending school and worshipping a small picture of Shirdi Baba in 1941? How could no one in Puttaparthi know anything about Shirdi Sai Baba, when two of Raju's (Sathya Sai's) uncles were open devotees of Shirdi Baba, not to mention that Raju himself regularly attended Shirdi bhajans? Even when the host of these bhajans was personally trained by Narasimha Swamiji? Even his own classmates testify that he used to worship Shirdi Sai Baba, so how couldn't anyone know who he was?

Raju was such a small fry that he didn't even merit a place in Narasimha Swamiji's four-volume Shirdi epic, especially in the section where possible reincarnations are discussed. On the contrary, Narasimha Swamiji specifically discussed just two people, a boy from Karur and a girl from Bangalore, whom he personally exposed as frauds. Raju did not even make a mention, despite the book being first published well over a decade after their supposed meeting (Narasimha and Raju's). There is only a vague hint about materialisations that could have referred to anybody. :-)

I know full well what I am talking about, whereas unquestioning devotees satisfy themselves with Kasturi's poorly-researched fairy stories that are self-contradictory. And there is much more to come. :-)

Let's get a few facts correct: Erlendur Haraldsson's "investigations" were not "thoroughly performed". He admits in his book that his requests for a scientific investigation were denied by Sathya Sai Baba. Consequently much of the accounts related in his book are strictly observational and rely almost wholly on the testimony of devotees, which is hardly unbiased. So the spurious claims about this phenomena having being investigated by a "third-party" are without basis.

And for the record, I have visited Sai Sruti many times, and several former followers have visited Srirangapatnam.

I personally couldn't care less for any of these "supernatural" paranormal phenomenas because there is no proof that any of these phenomenas are performed directly or indirectly by Sai Baba. One could very easily claim that these phenomenas are faked, just as easy as it is to put vibhuti on the inside of a glass frame and claim that it has miraculously manifested. More concentration is focused on miracles that are supposed to occur directly from Sai Baba's person, and this includes the alleged materialisation of vibhuti, rings, necklaces, watches, and so on. Concentrate on that instead of living in a cloud-cuckoo land of ash and honey emrging from pictures and the like.

Edited by author 10-04-2006 01:09 PM
/m335
BeastMaster, you are dismissing paranormal phenomena that have been investigated by a "neutral third party" (Erlendur Haraldsson) and are focusing on other alleged paranormal phenomena you have ascertained have not been investigated by a "neutral third party". In one instance, you dismiss the "neutral third party" and in another instance you demand it. You are cherry-picking your critiques.

These alleged manifestations (which, once again, are not limited to vibuthi) have not been investigated by critics and skeptics although they allege this phenomena is fraudulent. Critics draw conclusion a priori without viewing the alleged phenomena first-hand. Critics have had every opportunity to expose these alleged manifestions that they consider fradulent. They have chosen the path of long-distance speculative rationalizations.

Devotees accept these alleged manifestations as signs from Sathya Sai Baba and do not require further proof for themselves. They do not see a reason to prove what they believe to be real.

The bigger question is why haven't you investigated it for yourself? It is amusing that you ask that Sai Devotees (of all people) acquire a "neutral third party" to investigate the alleged materializations happening in their homes. Will you accept the findings of a "neutral third party" selected by Sai Devotees? The critera you demand is compromised. No matter what the results, you will find a reason not to accept the results.

It is also amusing that you are attempting to request a formal investigation on a forum board. If you were truly interested, one would think you would make other efforts than the superficial ones you are making here.

Regarding your comment:

"How is the holy ash which is made of cow dung is reaching the picture frames?"

- How do you know that the alleged materialized vibuthi is made from cow dung?

- What "neutral third party" supplied you with this information?

- Why are you claiming you know what the vibuthi is allegedly made of if you already acknowledged that no independent research has been conducted about these alleged vibuthi manifestations? In other words, where are you getting your information from? Since you set the standard of a "neutral third party", I would like the name to the "neutral third party" who gave you this information. Surely, you are not basing your words on speculation, assumption, conjecture or the words of a non-independent source? Are you?

Regarding your comment:

"How is honey which is nectar from the flowers collected and processed by bees is oozing from the glass plate of the pictures"

- Amrita is not honey.

- What "neutral third party" gave you the information that amrita is honey?

- Why would you claim that amrita is honey in the first place? Did you see and taste it for yourself? When, where, under what circumstance? Why weren't you aware of this basic fact?

Finally, and perhaps the most important, what theosophical explanations are you willing to accept?

As far as I am concerned, this discussion is moot. Until you experience and investiagate this matter for yourself, no amount of "neutral third party" demands (made on a internet forum) are going to satisfy you. This is evident by your casual dismissal of Erlendur Haraldsson's work (from a "neutral third party"), which was thorough and even included the experiences from ex-devotees. Once again, the fact remains that every single person (devotee and ex-devotee alike) attributed unexplained, miraculous, paranormal phenomena to Sathya Sai Baba. All without exception. These were first-hand accounts obtained through first-hand interviews. You are free to believe or disbelieve as you choose. Nevertheless, it is apparent which position you are taking.

It is also amusing that earlier (/m248) you were willing to cite an unsubstantiated account from Piet Vroon's "Santa Claus In India" (which was based on the word of an anonymous and alleged "informant"). Strange enough, Piet Vroon was such a psychologically unstable critic, he committed suicide. Nice double checking there :-)

/m347
BeastMaster, why are you not preaching to Sanjay Dadlani?

After all, Sanjay is a Hare Krishna Congregational Member who superstitiously believes in scriptures (specifically, the Srimad Bhagavatam) that promotes belief in rain, lightning and thunder gods. Your comments fully apply to him as well.

The only thing that is devastating Sanjay is how you keep babbling incoherently thinking you actually know what you are talking about or are making sense.

No, Beast Master, YOU need to do a three level search. I already researched it. Look it up, you claim to be so intelligent. If you are going to act like a know-it-all all the time, you are going to pay the price. I'm not going to babysit you. I have had enough of babysitting the anti-Sai nutters of negativity.

There's all kinds of credible stuff on the internet about Geller's association with U.S. intelligence. If you are as smart as you pretend to be you should be able to find it.

Besides that, I do not consider you very credible since I know you are an armchair critic who is afraid to get your feet wet.

re /m341

Co2000,

We need to see what was Uri Geller tested for and what were the results? This kind of claims need a 3 level investigation, like I said in the earlier post- credibility, Phenomenon and Theological implication.

Claim: lightning is originated in the sky without manual intervention.

Phenomenon: God Zeus(or varun) throws the bright light either into the sky or onto earth.

Theological implication: God Zeus(or varun) is angry. Something is going on that makes him angry. We must try please him.

After investigation here is our current understanding:

Credibility of the claim: Yes, genuine claim. There is no manual intervention. It is originated in the sky.

Phenomenon: Weather study is complex. Lightning is more common with cumulus clouds than with other types of clouds. Air currents in the cloud cause the water particles to charge up to a very high levels of static electric charge. The difference in static charge in 2 objects(example erath-cloud, cloud-cloud) results in sudden discharge. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning for more.

Theological implications: I will leave this to individual view points.

But the exploration of lightning only suggests that this world is more complex, more beautiful and there is more to explore. It is haste to conclude without ever probing investigation. Hasty conclusions lead you to superstition. Exploration shows clearer path to God than ignorance.

Again,

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind., Albert Einstein, 1941

- Beast Master

Edited by author 10-02-2006 09:15 PM
And we know exactly why the year was changed from 1943 to 1940, don't we? :-)

Hmmmm... sounds like a new expose coming up. ;-)

Feel free to discuss all of this and more. :-)

Sai Baba the Liar told the media that he knew that he was Shirdi Sai Baba because the fact that only he knew and nobody else knew was proof of the fact, declaring it so in 1940, which we now know to be 1943.

However, he himself was actively worshipping Shirdi Sai Baba in 1941, attending bhajans and satsangs to a guru who apparently no one knew about, and correcting readings from the life-story of a saint who nobody knew about, not least having two uncles who were openly devotees of Shirdi Sai Baba. So much for only him knowing about Shirdi Sai Baba. He is a liar, plain and simple. :-)

If this is not devastating then I don't know what is! :-)

Rege Rebuffs Sai Baba

Notable Shirdi devotees like Justice M.B. Rege who were alive at the time Sathya Sai was actively promoting himself as the reincarnation of Shirdi Sai, never authenticated him as a reincarnation. Ditto for other Shirdi stalwarts such as B.V. Narasimha Swamiji.

The Shirdi snowball rolling down the hill gains increasing speed and momentum. :-)

Edited by author 10-01-2006 11:34 AM

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") fully exposed: (See /m272)

To the contrary, Sanjay Dadlani has just suffered the biggest expose of his life. Sanjay's entire looney-cartoon-world is crumbling down. Sanjay is a liar, pure and simple. :-)

Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

Edited by author 10-01-2006 02:09 AM
Re /m339:

Trust Gerald Moreno to continue drooling like a rabid ignoramus. I may not have the book but I have read it, dork. LOL, "unreal". :-) Notice how Moreno pounce son me every time I say something, perverted little homosexual obsessive stalker. Chee!

Tough luck, Sai Baba has just suffered the biggest expose of his life. His entire empire is based on his declaration to be Shirdi Sai, and now that whole empire comes crumbling down. He is a liar, pure and simple. :-)

Oh, and I hope you all noticed the irony of the postings; Since Sathya Sai Baba is an equally stupid fellow who contradicts himself all the time, he has given two dates for the birth of Shirdi Sai Baba, which is quite presumptuous since no one knows Shirdi's birthdate. The two dates are Sept 27 1838 and Sep 28 1835. So my articles were split between Sep 27 and 28. :-)

Parthi Baba's boo-boo on Shirdi Baba. :-)

Edited by author 10-01-2006 07:08 AM
Beast Master,
Even Uri Geller was tested by people in the U.S. intelligence communty and you bozos are still calling him a fake. And I don't see you demanding that Christian or any other miracles be evaluated in the same way! If you demand one YOU MUST demand all or you reveal yourself to be nothing but a hypocrite and/or racist.
Why are you picking on just Sai Baba? I know you won't answer me because you know I've got your number. You want Baba to do this and that to prove his powers but you are not really smart enough to even know how to set the parameters for such demands. You can't even post your name online honestly for God's sake yet you have all kinds of demands for others! Pathetic.

And another thing...when are you going to hold the anti-Sais to the same standards of PROOF you are trying to hold Sai Baba to?
Without legal standards of PROOF you are ALREADY assuming Baba is guilty. This is why I cannot take people like you seriously. You live by one set of rules for yourself and another for everyone else. You want proof and when it is given you ignore it. Then, when you are asked for proof you supply NONE and pretend the laws don't apply to you. And then you wonder why people like me are totally exasperated with your hypocrisy.

Edited by author 10-01-2006 05:21 AM
CO2000 is NOT joe, usedbybaba! CO2000=conscientiousobjector2000 abbreviated. Seems to me you are the one wasting everyone's time with your continuous mind games usedbybaba. You guys have had YEARS to prove your case and all you do is play mind games and lie! You haven't responded to ANY of my points honestly. You have evaded, hid behind other usernames, like blldexter, to make it look like there are more of you than there are, etc.. It's obvious this is all a big game to you. You are nothing but a sick sadist who likes to torture people with your idiotic mind games. You won't get away with it.

Edited by author 10-01-2006 01:42 AM
Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") has been fully exposed as a fraud, a sham, a conman and a pathological liar with proof. See /m272 for a full list

It is also amusing that Sanjay is claiming he read Haraldsson's book when he does not even have it! As a matter of fact, it is still listed on his froogle wish-list where he is begging for books on Sathya Sai Baba. See for yourself: Reference. Why would Sanjay be begging for Haraldsson's book if he has already had access to it?

Sanjay is such a pathetic liar, it is unreal!

Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

New blog articles starting tomorrow :-)

Edited by author 10-01-2006 01:54 AM
Oh and by the way, to get away from the craziness of the braindead zombies (Sai Baba devotees/defenders) and since there is obviously no moderator here (which is why they can get away with their foolishness) feel free to join a new QuickTopic forum opened just now:

Sai Baba EXPOSED!

The rules are very simple: Discussion is about Sai Baba, and no ad-hominem attacks on other posters will be tolerated. Devotees etc. are welcome of course, providing that they follow the rules.