Edited by author 10-01-2006 12:58 AM
It may be a coincidence, but I was just about to say the exact same thing. Since Sai Baba has never submitted himself to a serious scientific investigation, despite being challenged to do so (by Narasimhaiah) and requested by Haraldsson, any "scientific" investigation by Haraldsson is of no value.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great book. I've read it. But those of us who have been trained to carry out and perform scientific investigations will know that Haraldsson's work is not a scientific investigation of any kind. It is merely an empirical report based on his own observations, which he had no choice to do anyway since Sai Baba refused his requests for an investigative experiment.

One can muse that Sai Baba repeatedly refuses to submit himself to experiments is because he is scared that all of his simpleton tricks will be exposed. It has already been established that simple street magicians can replicate every miracle than Sai Baba can "do", including the Lingodbhavam, so Sai Baba is nothing special.

re /m271 .

Awareness, consciousness breed spirituality
Ignorance, confusion breed superstition
- Beast Master, 2006

Joe108,

The reference to Erlendur Haraldsson's work has no value here since his goal was to record the paranormal experiences but not to investigate credibility, phenomena or the meaning of ash falling off picture frames.

You seem to be betting on lack of explanation. Sai devotees should get these mysteries investigated by independant third party teams to avoid Sai movement ending up into superstition. In such case guess what happens in the 8 years period from the time of SSB passing away and Prem Sai coming into being. How can you stop fake devotees manipulate these events to confuse the genuine devotees?

Sai devotees should deploy an independant third party expert committee to investigate the following aspects;

- Credibility: is it really happening or is the devotee, suffering from a psychological disorder manipulating?

- Phenomenon: How is the holy ash which is made of cow dung is reaching the picture frames? How is honey which is nectar from the flowers collected and processed by bees is oozing from the glass plate of the pictures? How about finger prints? Who are they matching to?

- Theological implication: Is it a good sign or a bad one? Is God or Satan sending a message? Or is it aliens? How is it linked to SSB? What does it indicate if the same is happening to Ammachi or some other Avatars?

There are no investigative reports published on Voodoo magic as well. Again, there is as much confusion exist on this mystery just as that on Voodoo magic.

- Beast Master

Edited by author 09-30-2006 09:09 PM
Something, funny I've noticed.

I quoted Edna Mode from "The Incredibles" in my response to lenin999 in a thread where we discuss credibility.

i watched the movie in a multiplex years ago and bought a DVD recently.
I think Edna Mode is a hilarious character.

I didn't think about the title of the movie while posting and quoting Edna( "words are useless. Gobble, gobble, gobble. There is too much of it, darling. Too much") i just remembered that sentance ...but like i said i wasn't even aware of the meaning of the movie title,not until after i saw my response appear and there it was ,above lenin999/blldexter 's post ,the title "The IncrediblEs"
and i thought to myself,wow,what a coincidence!!!

incredible

adjective

Not plausible or believable: flimsy, implausible, improbable, inconceivable, shaky, thin, unbelievable, unconceivable, unconvincing, unsubstantial, weak. See likely/unlikely.
Not to be believed: inconceivable, unbelievable, unimaginable, unthinkable.

BWAHAHAH

Edited by author 09-30-2006 03:06 PM
Lenin999
Do you now understand why you don't appear to be credible?
If you're bored stop with perversions and watch the Incredibles.

"Finally the truth comes out about joe 108.He is using my name and
 
Not only is he using multiple names, he also attempted to use my
name "blldexter" (notice the poor spelling and grammar?). My name
is registered .Look how low he can stoop. ho that is his job as directed by baba"

"blldexter", your name is not registered, Joe's name is,You don't make sense as usual.

ermmmm, nope, it's a post you(joe 108) posted and deleted.I saw it.
Why are you lying?this is no big deal,why do you need to lie about something so insignificant.
Lying is generally a bad thing to do!

"ask Krishna .... There is too much of it, darling. Too much.
My god you calim to be a man and you call Lenin as darling TOOOOOO MUCH."

I quoted Edna from The Incredibles.I watched a DVD recently and I'm still under influence.

BTW,why do you speak of yourself in a 3rd person.
it's a Total and a complete mess.

Finally the truth comes out about joe 108.He is using my name and
 
Not only is he using multiple names, he also attempted to use my
name "blldexter" (notice the poor spelling and grammar?). My name
is registered .Look how low he can stoop. ho that is his job as directed by baba

"ask Krishna .... There is too much of it, darling. Too much.
My god you calim to be a man and you call Lenin as darling TOOOOOO MUCH.

Edited by author 09-30-2006 02:52 PM
"Here is the post that JOE 108
made under the name "blldexter" that he
deleted:"

ermmmm, nope, it's a post you(lenin999/abused.../"blldexter") posted and deleted.I saw it.
Why are you lying?this is no big deal,why do you need to lie about something so insignificant.
Lying is generally a bad thing to do!
Bad boy!

Here is the post that JOE 108
 made under the name "blldexter" that he
deleted:
"This was posted long time ago and someone is copying it and
sending it .go back and see .it was posted long back and i
stopeed getting angry.even though they are calling me names.now
who are you krishna and shady? suddenly coming into the picture
and answering.well I DID NOT POST THIS AND THIS IS A NEW TRICK
FOR WHICH I WILL NOT FALL"
Tell me the guy is not mentally challenged (as most
self-proclaimed, alleged victims are).

Here is the post that "lenin999@yahoo.co.uk" aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years" made under the name "blldexter" that he deleted:

"This was posted long time ago and someone is copying it and sending it .go back and see .it was posted long back and i stopeed getting angry.even though they are calling me names.now who are you krishna and shady? suddenly coming into the picture and answering.well I DID NOT POST THIS AND THIS IS A NEW TRICK FOR WHICH I WILL NOT FALL"

Tell me the guy is not mentally challenged (as most self-proclaimed, alleged victims are).

lenin999,
ask Krishna for forgiveness and enough with perversion already.
Perverted words are useless. Gobble, gobble, gobble. There is too much of it, darling. Too much

Finally the truth comes out about "lenin999@yahoo.co.uk" aka "usedbybaba" aka "abusedfor15years" (the fully exposed pervert with proof: /m242 & /m247).

Not only is he using multiple names, he also attempted to use my name "Joe 108" (notice the poor spelling and grammar?). My name is registered and has a star next to it.

Edited by author 09-30-2006 02:25 PM
"balarama 319
 
09-30-2006 02:16 PM ET (US)
 Hey krishana.I am afterll your brother.listin,don't believe these people who claim to like baba. they might use you.careful.They are mother fu****g ba***ds.Don't support them.they can stoop to any level "

Hi!
I'm not really Krishna.I just chose that username!
What are you talking about.You're my brother?
Wahhh??
btw,speaking of stooping to levels,stop using perverted language
okaaaaaaay?

Hey you did that.what happend to our friendship.unnecessarily i called usedbybaba names.I am sorry usedbybaba.Now i know who is the pervert.She "O"
sorry he Hmmmmm "IT" is in my camp.