Edited by author 03-14-2007 01:00 PM
I agree that Baba is an Avatar.A Poorna avatar -

NO

A PORNO AVATAR.

HO HO HO HO HEEE HEEE HUUU AHH HE

Edited by author 03-14-2007 03:54 PM
usedbybaba=hariharan

/m779
/m785
/m825


hariharan
http://www.quicktopic.com/9/H/ehfcBK8qrWRYZ

message 261
09-15-2006 02:14 AM ET (US)
"IT WAS BIT DIFFICULT PIERCING HIM SO HE WOULD JUST SUCK FOR ME"

"I also loved inserting my penis behind
baba as he liked it and though he could not take it in fully.
But i am also hiv positive "



usedbybaba previously wrote:

"Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth?"

"You bi''**h"

"you lingam sucking swine"

"we know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy."

"ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth"

"You don't have to tell them about the other similar discussions that
you had with joe 108..His wife may not like it.you are a very naughty
girl."
 
"lisa de bitch y dont u shut the fuck up u silly lallupanju whore"

"I am running for cover.Sorry I forogt you are an Animal lover."

"sob sob sob sob sob.If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you."

"Go and taste baba's linga ."

"So he sent a woman who is drunk and a pedophile by name Lisa"

"you think the so called devotees will allow anyone to invetigate. NO, THEY WILL KILL HIM. Osama must be jelous of baba for having such wonderful (killers) devotees"

"you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. "

"Why can"t you sleep with me. maybe you have a pole insted of a hole. wow baba will enjoy it. By the way what are you professionaly , oh i forgot that you belong to the oldest profession. Hooker"

"u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this"

"all the three of you are phedophiles"

"No, nobody should send their children to Lisa the phedophile.She might hand them over to Baba after molesting them"

"Lisa the street bitch go sleep with baba,if you like him so much."

"AFTERALL YOU ARE A MOLESTOR AND PEDOPHILE WHO DROOL FOR BABA, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU.GO SUCK WHAT YOU WANT AND ENJOY."

"Why are talking about the smell in your mouth start eating from the correct end, it won't smell only baba likes your smell. PIGS OF THE SAME MUCK COME TOGETHER."

"I hate such hypocrisy.That is why I could not continue in Puttaparthi,the fountainhead of hypocrisy."

"I could not accept the fact that Sai baba and I will have sex with each other and I will be compensated for that in cash. "

"When he did it for the first time, i was so devoted i felt all my sins are gone"

"I never said I thought I believed I was being purified. Stupid.
I said baba told me so."

"I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha"

"I am smiling. blah blah blah LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE,"

"What I do now does not affect me much. it is more of fun"

" ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "

"love for biker babies"
" ha ha ha ha
HE HE HE HE HO HO HO HO HA HA HA HA HO HO HO HE HE HE"

"I agree that Baba is an Avatar.A Poorna avatar -
NO
A PORNO AVATAR.


HO HO HO HO HEEE HEEE HUUU AHH HE"



anand krishnamurthi(usedbybaba)

/m863
10-31-2006 12:36 AM ET (US)
 

choothiya thu cheddi nikalo voh dengey blessings.phir behanchooth joe 108 sey jao vo bi thumko gaand mardhegi. lav dey key bal.shut up"


choothiya:
Urdu/Hindi/Punjabi Desi for fucker (referring to "chooth" the female reproductive organ.)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Choothiya


Cheddies means pornography.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=+cheddi+



/m918
"Behan chooth Angel,baath math kar."

behan means sister in urdu

Time for an update:

• Sanjay Dadlani Exposed: /m272 /m1099
  "Sai Baba EXPOSED" Exposed




• "Usedbybaba" Exposed




• Barbara Dent Exposed




• Anthony "Tony" O'Clery Exposed




• Barry Pittard Exposed



• Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba: SaiSathyaSai.com"

Edited by author 04-09-2007 10:37 PM
CELEBRITY CYBER-STALKING BY USEDBYBABA AND TONY O'CLERY

For several YEARS Usedbybaba (IP
202.43.218.166 and 221.134.12.138) has been using NUMEROUS false and anonymous names in a determined effort to falsely paint a picture of accusations of sexual abuse against Sai Baba by persons who do NOT even exist. Not only has Usedbybaba engaged in such behavior, he has also harassed devotees using obscene language, intimidation and threats which continue to this day. All this done while cowardly hiding behind anonymous names. It's about time law enforcement investigates and removes this public nuisance, Usedbybaba from the internet as his agenda is to incite violence against innocent people, specifically Sai Baba and his devotees.

Along with Usedbybaba, Tony O'Clery of Vancouver Canada should also be investigated for similar tactics (including extremely perverse and obscene language and creations of false stories about Sai Baba) in addition to his connections to neo-nazi and white supremacist groups. Even though Tony O'Clery claims he was a Sai devotee until the end of 1999, one witness in 2001 says of O'Clery, "...he has been spreading such rumours for many years and then the next thing you see he is attending a Sai Centre and singing bhajans."

As a result of these types of tactics by Usedbybaba and O'Clery, they have attracted numerous psychologically unstable people who have also begun to create false stories on the internet, targeting Sai Baba and his devotees.
This destructive collective behavior is now well-documented at saisathyasai.com as well as sai-fi.net. Several of these people appear to have connections to neo-nazi groups and/or religiously intolerant atheists or evangelicals.

In March of 2006 Tony O'Clery made posts under the username dingopl, pretending to be someone named "Paul" and tried to set up a meeting with a Sai devotee in the UK named Simon. I wrote Simon telling him the IP address for Paul was the same as Tony O'Clery's and not to trust him.

The next month, in April Tony O'Clery left a post on the SSB2 message board saying he was visiting Ireland and the UK. One does wonder what nefarious purposes Tony wanted to meet with Simon under an assumed name. This is not the first time anti-Sais have tried to lure devotees into a trap. They tried something similar with me.

Tony O'Clery Vandalises Wikipedia with His Libelous and Perverted Comments

Tony O'Clery, who has an account at Wikipedia under the name aoclery, added the following libelous comments to the article about Sathya Sai Baba. He attempted to hide his identity by not signing in to his account.

"He also admits to pedophilia but says that as he is
God they are paying off their karma quickly."


After confronting Tony with his libelous vandalism, he does it again!


"...he also says his pedophilia is good for they pay the karma off quicker as he is god..."

Tony also vandalises the Benjamin Creme article:

"He also says it is true that sai baba is a pedophile but that he is paying off people's karma quicker, by assaulting them as he is God."

Someone reverts Tony's vandalism and Tony comes back and does it again:

"He also says it is true that sai baba is a pedophile but that he is paying off people's karma quicker, by assaulting them as he is God, according to top officials in the sai org. "


Tony even confesses:

2856 Tony O'Clery 03-24-2007 07:40 PM ET (US)
I have put that comment on every article referring to sb in wikipedia,,go find them fill your boots.

sb org says he molests as god curing karma.
 
Cornered like a rat, Tony tries a new lie:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'."


Tony's entry is reverted and he brazenly comes back and does it again:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'. O'Clery also states that as an official he was one of the first to claim sexual touching was raising kundalini, which of course isn't true. "

Then Tony proceeds to start an edit war, even admitting he was the one who invented the Kundalini lie to begin with:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects' karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'. O'Clery also states that as an official he was one of the first to claim sexual touching was raising kundalini, which of course isn't true.iN fact I was the official who invented the claim that the molesting was raising kundalini, and I sincerely apologise and regret this lie."




Whois

24.207.24.230 = [ h24-207-24-230.dlt.dccnet.com ]


(Asked whois.arin.net:43 about +24.207.24.230)

 OrgName: Delta Cable Communications Ltd.
 OrgID: DLTA
 Address: 5381 48th Ave.
 City: Delta
 StateProv: BC
 PostalCode: V4K-1W7
 Country: CA
 NetRange: 24.207.0.0 - 24.207.127.255


Maybe it's about time someone used these guys to perform a celebrity threat assessment.


SEC. 223. [47 U.S.C. 223] OBSCENE OR HARASSING TELEPHONE
CALLS IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA OR IN INTERSTATE OR
FOREIGN COMMUNICATIONS.

(a) Whoever–
(1) in interstate or foreign communications–
(A) by means of a telecommunications device knowingly–
(i) makes, creates, or solicits, and
(ii) initiates the transmission of,
any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or
other communication which is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or
indecent, with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass another
person;
(B) by means of a telecommunications device knowingly–
(i) makes, creates, or solicits, and
(ii) initiates the transmission of,
any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or
other communication which is obscene or indecent, knowing that
the recipient of the communication is under 18 years of age,
regardless of whether the maker of such communication placed the
call or initiated the communication;
(C) makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications
device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues,
without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse,
threaten, or harass any person at the called number or who receives
the communications;
(D) makes or causes the telephone of another repeatedly or
continuously to ring, with intent to harass any person at the called
number; or
(E) makes repeated telephone calls or repeatedly initiates
communication with a telecommunications device, during which
conversation or communication ensues, solely to harass any person
at the called number or who receives the communication"




This page will show the documentation of usedbybaba aka usedcrybaby's trail of cyber-stalking activity:

USEDBYBABA EXPOSED EXPOSED EXPOSED ANONYMOUS WHACKO ATTACKING SAI BABA


"You are right you will have to forgive my unsophistication. You see before I had any tertiary edu, I was a construction worker, cane-cutter, australian gigolo, union man, and surfer. Heaven for me was 'surfs up', and 'out the back', on Aussie beaches."--Tony O'Clery

My names is James not sanjay, i told you once already. Is he another dead guy you talk to you stupid cunt? I checked out your shiddi guy on google and he's dead, you talk to dead guys when youre drunk you stupid slut. too funny for life!

Joe moreno aka Angel previously wrote previously wrote:

"Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth?"

"You bi''**h"

"you lingam sucking swine"

"we know of Siva's third eye what is the third leg.ofcourse it is cock u dummy."

"ofcourse we both do discuss sex.come on tell everyone the truth"

"You don't have to tell them about the other similar discussions that
you had with joe 108..His wife may not like it.you are a very naughty
girl."
 
"lisa de bitch y dont u shut the fuck up u silly lallupanju whore"

"I am running for cover.Sorry I forogt you are an Animal lover."

"sob sob sob sob sob.If you like the taste of linga how can you object to some one "molesting " you."

"Go and taste baba's linga ."

"So he sent a woman who is drunk and a pedophile by name Lisa"

"you think the so called devotees will allow anyone to invetigate. NO, THEY WILL KILL HIM. Osama must be jelous of baba for having such wonderful (killers) devotees"

"you must have slept with all the guys and maybe forgot who among these is premanand. "

"Why can"t you sleep with me. maybe you have a pole insted of a hole. wow baba will enjoy it. By the way what are you professionaly , oh i forgot that you belong to the oldest profession. Hooker"

"u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this"

"all the three of you are phedophiles"

"No, nobody should send their children to Lisa the phedophile.She might hand them over to Baba after molesting them"

"Lisa the street bitch go sleep with baba,if you like him so much."

"AFTERALL YOU ARE A MOLESTOR AND PEDOPHILE WHO DROOL FOR BABA, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU.GO SUCK WHAT YOU WANT AND ENJOY."

"Why are talking about the smell in your mouth start eating from the correct end, it won't smell only baba likes your smell. PIGS OF THE SAME MUCK COME TOGETHER."

"I hate such hypocrisy.That is why I could not continue in Puttaparthi,the fountainhead of hypocrisy."

"I could not accept the fact that Sai baba and I will have sex with each other and I will be compensated for that in cash. "

"When he did it for the first time, i was so devoted i felt all my sins are gone"

"I never said I thought I believed I was being purified. Stupid.
I said baba told me so."

"I am more intelligent,not to give you any clear details. ha, ha ,ha"

"I am smiling. blah blah blah LALUPANJU,he,he,he.HE HE HE,"

"What I do now does not affect me much. it is more of fun"

" ha ha ha ha ha I am really enjoying this "

"love for biker babies"
" ha ha ha ha
HE HE HE HE HO HO HO HO HA HA HA HA HO HO HO HE HE HE"

"I agree that Baba is an Avatar.A Poorna avatar -
NO
A PORNO AVATAR.


HO HO HO HO HEEE HEEE HUUU AHH HE"



anand krishnamurthi(angel)

/m863
10-31-2006 12:36 AM ET (US)
 

choothiya thu cheddi nikalo voh dengey blessings.phir behanchooth joe 108 sey jao vo bi thumko gaand mardhegi. lav dey key bal.shut up"


choothiya:
Urdu/Hindi/Punjabi Desi for fucker (referring to "chooth" the female reproductive organ.)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Choothiya


Cheddies means pornography.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=+cheddi+



/m918
"Behan chooth Angel,baath math kar."

behan means sister in urdu

EXPOSED EXPOSED

No need to up date.Angel(ena) JOELISA have nothing else to say except repeating the same thing again and again
These messages will show what a fraud Joe,Angel and His friend Lisa are.
/m2442 Angel wants no one to talk against his GOD BABA
/m2436

Lisa says that there are power brokers in India who can get Baba arrested (so I say ordinary citizens cannot and she is agreeing

/m2115 Angel confesses that he is neither a male nor a female
/m2047 /m2086 Angel and Lisa try to mislead people by twisting my words.
/m2036-- Miracles.Are they really true.I don't believe it.
/m2002 /m2007 /m2015 /m2529 /m2532 -

Joe and Lisa agree that Baba is a molester

/m1988-Lisa proves she is stupid again
/m1921- Lisa the Goebbels
/m1743 – Joe’s so called “usedbybaba exposed” and My reply
/m1760—joe’s love for biker babies
/m1759 /m2597—joe tries his trick on what Veer Sangvi wrote in Hindustan Times
/m1748 – coo2 is put on truth serum
/m1746- proof that Lisa cannot discuss but only abuse
/m1719—Real meaning of WATCH – watch your words etc.,
/m1713 – SB on truth serum
/m1710 – SB on truth serum again
/m1706 – SB’s Advice to Lisa, When he was intoxicated
/m1702 – SB notices Lisa trying to find out about usedbybaba
/m1696 – Present Warden of Prashantinilayam(was also molested)
/m1695- SB if is put on truth serum

Edited by author 03-15-2007 07:45 PM
/m2604

My response is stick it up your arse

Edited by author 04-09-2007 10:29 PM
You better update again, Joe. The sociopathic usedbybaba is posting as you again...posting as others is also a form of harassment known as cyber-stalking.



CELEBRITY CYBER-STALKING BY USEDBYBABA AND TONY O'CLERY

For several YEARS Usedbybaba (IP
202.43.218.166 and 221.134.12.138) has been using NUMEROUS false and anonymous names in a determined effort to falsely paint a picture of accusations of sexual abuse against Sai Baba by persons who do NOT even exist. Not only has Usedbybaba engaged in such behavior, he has also harassed devotees using obscene language, intimidation and threats which continue to this day. All this done while cowardly hiding behind anonymous names. It's about time law enforcement investigates and removes this public nuisance, Usedbybaba from the internet as his agenda is to incite violence against innocent people, specifically Sai Baba and his devotees.

Along with Usedbybaba, Tony O'Clery of Vancouver Canada should also be investigated for similar tactics (including extremely perverse and obscene language and creations of false stories about Sai Baba) in addition to his connections to neo-nazi and white supremacist groups. Even though Tony O'Clery claims he was a Sai devotee until the end of 1999, one witness in 2001 says of O'Clery, "...he has been spreading such rumours for many years and then the next thing you see he is attending a Sai Centre and singing bhajans."

As a result of these types of tactics by Usedbybaba and O'Clery, they have attracted numerous psychologically unstable people who have also begun to create false stories on the internet, targeting Sai Baba and his devotees.
This destructive collective behavior is now well-documented at saisathyasai.com as well as sai-fi.net. Several of these people appear to have connections to neo-nazi groups and/or religiously intolerant atheists or evangelicals.

In March of 2006 Tony O'Clery made posts under the username dingopl, pretending to be someone named "Paul" and tried to set up a meeting with a Sai devotee in the UK named Simon. I wrote Simon telling him the IP address for Paul was the same as Tony O'Clery's and not to trust him.

The next month, in April Tony O'Clery left a post on the SSB2 message board saying he was visiting Ireland and the UK. One does wonder what nefarious purposes Tony wanted to meet with Simon under an assumed name. This is not the first time anti-Sais have tried to lure devotees into a trap. They tried something similar with me.

Tony O'Clery Vandalises Wikipedia with His Libelous and Perverted Comments

Tony O'Clery, who has an account at Wikipedia under the name aoclery, added the following libelous comments to the article about Sathya Sai Baba. He attempted to hide his identity by not signing in to his account.

"He also admits to pedophilia but says that as he is
God they are paying off their karma quickly."


After confronting Tony with his libelous vandalism, he does it again!


"...he also says his pedophilia is good for they pay the karma off quicker as he is god..."

Tony also vandalises the Benjamin Creme article:

"He also says it is true that sai baba is a pedophile but that he is paying off people's karma quicker, by assaulting them as he is God."

Someone reverts Tony's vandalism and Tony comes back and does it again:

"He also says it is true that sai baba is a pedophile but that he is paying off people's karma quicker, by assaulting them as he is God, according to top officials in the sai org. "


Tony even confesses:

2856 Tony O'Clery 03-24-2007 07:40 PM ET (US)
I have put that comment on every article referring to sb in wikipedia,,go find them fill your boots.

sb org says he molests as god curing karma.
 
Cornered like a rat, Tony tries a new lie:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'."


Tony's entry is reverted and he brazenly comes back and does it again:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'. O'Clery also states that as an official he was one of the first to claim sexual touching was raising kundalini, which of course isn't true. "

Then Tony proceeds to start an edit war, even admitting he was the one who invented the Kundalini lie to begin with:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects' karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'. O'Clery also states that as an official he was one of the first to claim sexual touching was raising kundalini, which of course isn't true.iN fact I was the official who invented the claim that the molesting was raising kundalini, and I sincerely apologise and regret this lie."




Whois

24.207.24.230 = [ h24-207-24-230.dlt.dccnet.com ]


(Asked whois.arin.net:43 about +24.207.24.230)

 OrgName: Delta Cable Communications Ltd.
 OrgID: DLTA
 Address: 5381 48th Ave.
 City: Delta
 StateProv: BC
 PostalCode: V4K-1W7
 Country: CA
 NetRange: 24.207.0.0 - 24.207.127.255


Maybe it's about time someone used these guys to perform a celebrity threat assessment.


SEC. 223. [47 U.S.C. 223] OBSCENE OR HARASSING TELEPHONE
CALLS IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA OR IN INTERSTATE OR
FOREIGN COMMUNICATIONS.

(a) Whoever–
(1) in interstate or foreign communications–
(A) by means of a telecommunications device knowingly–
(i) makes, creates, or solicits, and
(ii) initiates the transmission of,
any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or
other communication which is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or
indecent, with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass another
person;
(B) by means of a telecommunications device knowingly–
(i) makes, creates, or solicits, and
(ii) initiates the transmission of,
any comment, request, suggestion, proposal, image, or
other communication which is obscene or indecent, knowing that
the recipient of the communication is under 18 years of age,
regardless of whether the maker of such communication placed the
call or initiated the communication;
(C) makes a telephone call or utilizes a telecommunications
device, whether or not conversation or communication ensues,
without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse,
threaten, or harass any person at the called number or who receives
the communications;
(D) makes or causes the telephone of another repeatedly or
continuously to ring, with intent to harass any person at the called
number; or
(E) makes repeated telephone calls or repeatedly initiates
communication with a telecommunications device, during which
conversation or communication ensues, solely to harass any person
at the called number or who receives the communication"




This page will show the documentation of usedbybaba aka usedcrybaby's trail of cyber-stalking activity:

USEDBYBABA EXPOSED EXPOSED EXPOSED ANONYMOUS WHACKO ATTACKING SAI BABA


"You are right you will have to forgive my unsophistication. You see before I had any tertiary edu, I was a construction worker, cane-cutter, australian gigolo, union man, and surfer. Heaven for me was 'surfs up', and 'out the back', on Aussie beaches."--Tony O'Clery

Re: /m2607 /m2609 were not made by me. They were made by "usedbybaba" using my name (see link below). Just more proof that "usedbybaba" is a psychologically unstable defamer who resorts to deception. No wonder everyone is laughing at him and his claims that he gave blow jobs to purify himself!

• Sanjay Dadlani Exposed: /m272 /m1099
  "Sai Baba EXPOSED" Exposed




• "Usedbybaba" Exposed




• Barbara Dent Exposed




• Anthony "Tony" O'Clery Exposed




• Barry Pittard Exposed



• Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba: SaiSathyaSai.com"

Edited by author 03-15-2007 11:03 PM
Too funny, "James" happens to use the same exact phrases that Sanjay used for C0200. For example, on /m2605, "James" said:

My names is James not sanjay, i told you once already. Is he another dead guy you talk to you stupid cunt? I checked out your shiddi guy on google and he's dead, you talk to dead guys when youre drunk you stupid slut. too funny for life!

Sanjay called C02000 a "stupid slut" on the SSB2 Yahoo Group: See for yourself.
Poor Sanjay. He's trying so hard to become an Admin on Wikipedia, he stopped posting under his known names and is now using fake names. At this rate, Sanjay will be the Wiki-Authority on 'Barebacking'. That is if he survives his Fraudulent Credentials Claim On Wikipedia.

Edited by author 03-16-2007 07:32 AM
/m2611

Actually, I think /m2609 may be Tony O'Clery as he put a space between the joe and 108 and uses the term "arse" (see post /m2579). The other joe108 is usedcrybaby.

These immature bozos are supposed to be "men" who are over fifty. Pathetic innit?

/m2612

I'm pretty sure Sanjay used the "c" word on the other board too. Or maybe it was on his killuminati or streetbitches stalking blog.

EXPOSED EXPOSED

No need to up date.Angel(ena) JOELISA have nothing else to say except repeating the same thing again and again
These messages will show what a fraud Joe,Angel and His friend Lisa are.
/m2442 Angel wants no one to talk against his GOD BABA
/m2436

Lisa says that there are power brokers in India who can get Baba arrested (so I say ordinary citizens cannot and she is agreeing

/m2115 Angel confesses that he is neither a male nor a female
/m2047 /m2086 Angel and Lisa try to mislead people by twisting my words.
/m2036-- Miracles.Are they really true.I don't believe it.
/m2002 /m2007 /m2015 /m2529 /m2532 -

Joe and Lisa agree that Baba is a molester

/m1988-Lisa proves she is stupid again
/m1921- Lisa the Goebbels
/m1743 – Joe’s so called “usedbybaba exposed” and My reply
/m1760—joe’s love for biker babies
/m1759 /m2597—

joe tries his trick on what Veer Sangvi wrote in Hindustan Times

/m1748 – coo2 is put on truth serum
/m1746- proof that Lisa cannot discuss but only abuse
/m1719—Real meaning of WATCH – watch your words etc.,
/m1713 – SB on truth serum
/m1710 – SB on truth serum again
/m1706 – SB’s Advice to Lisa, When he was intoxicated
/m1702 – SB notices Lisa trying to find out about usedbybaba
/m1696 – Present Warden of Prashantinilayam(was also molested)
/m1695- SB if is put on truth serum

u must have molested your brother or father and blamed them for this!
Did ur boy friend fu**k u in thr mouth?

Lisa wrote; >Along with Usedbybaba, Tony O'Clery of Vancouver Canada should also be investigated for similar tactics (including extremely perverse and obscene language and creations of false stories about Sai Baba) in addition to his connections to neo-nazi and white supremacist groups. Even though Tony O'Clery claims he was a Sai devotee until the end of 1999, one witness in 2001 says of O'Clery, "...he has been spreading such rumours for many years and then the next thing you see he is attending a Sai Centre and singing bhajans."<

I did use to ask difficult questions about the contradictions in his discourses and statements.This used to upset some people who couldn't handle the truth. However I wasn't online at home until 1998, and I didn't come across the sathyasaibaba site until late in 1999.

I have never been associated with any neo nazi groups, an Irish ultra nationalist site quoted my articles on the orange lodge, I never was a member lisa and joe know this but as they are walking wounded along with simon they prefer to live in a bed of lies.I am not joe whatever either.

--- In sathyasaibaba2@yahoogroups.com, "angel_of_golden_age" <Angelic99@...> wrote:

> > http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex_baba/engels/articles/barryamin.html
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/aoclery/Dorothynotcured.htm
> > http://www.westminstertimefiles.com
> > http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex_baba/engels/shortnews/babablunders.htm
> >
> > Namaste,
> >
> > There are none so blind as those that do not wish to see...Tony
> ___________
> what's so interesting abou this?
> I don't get it.You write your negative experiences,some write
> postive...the thing is only God knows what the real truth is.

Namaste,

The real truth is based on evidence not illusion or true believer or true deluded syndrome.
As I have said to you, I have hard and material factual evidence not counting the circumstantial and body of affidavits.
Evidence is not a negative and delusion is not a positive.

It is my opinion that apart from the mentally challenged the majority of sb supporters are gay. He is the gay hermaphrodite avatar.
I have nothing against gays it seems to be a natural occurrence in the mind. However these gays are not willing to accept the fact that their avatar is actually a pervatar fraud and pedophile. In their minds this leaves them without their god. This is why yourself and simon and lisa spend so much time on here hoping if you can beat down tony all will be well...It wont' sb is a gay pedophile and criminal and thats it. All this ballocks of the real truth etc is just a psychological function on your part to protect your mind from the terrible truth....Tony.

> Namaste,
>
> Yes I know about Colusa, many friends from my old sb centre drove
> down there. It proves only that those people there have a devotion
> to sb, that their own subconscious minds in concert with spirit
> interference no doubt are creating the phenonema.
> Spiritualist Churches have phenonema all the time for example.
> Kalki and his consort are just the latest in a long line of
> spiritual frauds, he wasn't making enough money in his insurance
> occupation that's all.
> I'll tell you again sb doesn't claim this stuff, it would be too
> risky for him. It means nothing spiritually anyway....Tony.
>

Merely because you know about Colusa already, does not make it less
authentic. Whether the phenomenon is caused by the devotion of the
people to Saibaba or in some other way, its occurence does indicate
the nature of the object of devotion as an Avatar. Otherwise fans of
rock stars or of movie stars who are equally devoted would have
phenomena reported in their homes.

The Spiritualist Church phenomena, you talk about, are nothing like
this at all - they are neither sustained nor as benign or as
beneficent (though I would not call stigmata benign either). The
phenomena in Spiritualist Churches are more like those in haunted
houses.

As for Kalki - how can you be so sure that he is a fraud? Is he a
fraud merely because he is attracting money? If you don't know for
sure (ie by personal experience), it is best to keep an open mind and
a closed mouth - the karmic consequences of slandering any Avatar can
be quite severe, lasting for many lifetimes. It is not worth the risk.

Regards,

Dave

well said ,Dave

hihi

well said dave? I didn't post that. It joe of the hundred angel names that posted that not me.

 /m2616 Well done Angel.Let us write more in usedbybaba's name

 Naughty Children: Lisa De Witt

Lisa De Witt / Simon Brace / Gerald 'Joe' Moreno

Lisa De Witt (Arizona, USA) - Guilty of abusing and harassing ex-devotees since November 2003. She is believed to be single-handedly responsible for the breakdown of all civil and coherent public discussions on Sathya Sai Baba's alleged crimes of paedophilia and murder, due to her own abusive behaviour and reckless allegations that have served to distract the mass of the audience into topics of irrelevance. Her style of "discussion" includes stringing together disjointed pieces of information into a patchwork quilt and offering it to the public view as an example of flawless tapestry.

Some of her more wilder conspiracy theories include: the ridiculous assertion that ex-devotees of Sai Baba are part of a Fundamentalist Christian organisation with an agenda to defame Sai Baba, ex-devotees are anti-Hindu and racist, ex-devotees are guilty of criminal convictions, ex-devotees are guilty of alcoholism, drug addiction, rape, sex crimes, paedophilia - you name it and Lisa's probably accused ex-devotees of it. What is especially interesting is that she pays scant regard to that annoying little thing called 'proof', what to speak of attending to the fact that her nonsensical claims have been oft-refuted and still she continues to spread false and defamatory information with renewed fervour. Just one example of the vitriolic abuse that is spewed from her mouth is her very disturbing and violent desire to wish death upon ex-devotees of her guru Sai Baba.

More disturbing facts about Lisa De Witt include her claims to have regular visions and visitations from Jesus Christ and several angels. Her ancillary claims about faith healing and clairaudience have led some people (including myself) to label her as a possible paranoid schizophrenic. A reason for why she exhibits such bizarre behaviour could have it's origin in an incidence of child sexual abuse which she claims to have suffered at age 13 in a care home by a health worker, which possibly contributed to the breakdown of her marriage to a man 15 years older than her (who she married at age 20) as well as several other unsuccessful relationships with men. Several of her posts that attest to her sense of female superiority and her supercilious sense of victory over 'defeating' male ex-devotees (when her arguments lack substance and coherence in reality) contributes to this understanding.

Another disturbing trend appears to be increasing racism on her part. True to her muckraking nature, Lisa began to try and dig up dirt on the BBC after the release of the 'Secret Swami' documentary. Unfortunately she found herself indirectly standing up in support of the British National Party (BNP), a right-wing British political party that is renown for it's campaigns against immigration and desire to restoring "the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948", when they registered their complaint against the BBC for a similar undercover documentary. If readers consider this to be a tenuous connection then they'll be interested to know that Lisa regularly insults a particular ex-devotee as a "stupid white man".

Recently it came to light that Lisa has turned to homosexuality somewhere along the line as she declared in the public-access discussion forums of a homosexuality-oriented website, a fact that she has not denied despite plenty of angry remarks from her in response to this information being brought to the attention of a wider audience. Also strange are the frequent references to anuses in her writings. Whereas her sexuality is not directly relevant to Sai Baba as such, I find it interesting that such an important aspect of her personality was hidden from the public at large. I suspect that she felt understandable discomfort defending Sai Baba - an alleged homosexual paedophile and murderer - while being a homosexual herself and having spent several years wildly accusing ex-devotees of being homosexual for years without any proof.

Apart from all of this, her strange ideas, fascination with anuses and justifications about Sai Baba's behaviour and teachings have been documented elsewhere on this blog (some anonymously and some not so anonymously), writings that have widely condemned her as a vile and ignorant, abusive and thoroughly unethical devotee of Sai Baba. That's just putting it mildly.

Why Lisa de Witt whould be arrested for slander and defamation of character.


Having recently been EXPOSED as a transvestite with a penchant for
kinky leather fetish gear like high heels and schoolgirl uniforms, as
well as being a nasty and abusive character also exposed as a sleazy
RACIST, the mind boggles how she seems to think she still has enough
credibility to take the moral high ground over other people's ALLEGED
exploits.

In any case, here is a cleaned-up version of a post where I
confronted Lisa De Witt to explain her own "evidence." Suffice it to
say, she has never been able to reply constructively or give a sound
explanation, and nor has anyone else.

-----

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/33673 (to see
original)

Usedbybaba, it is clear to me that you are still in need of purification. Let's just hope that this time around, you don't try to give more oral sex to purify yourself.

"HO HO HO HE HE HE HA HA HA"

/m2622

I've posted that in your name.Beacuse, you're David as well.Rememeber...all is one.
Hihi

/m2623
well they're your words ,so it's only fair they're written under your name.

Edited by author 03-05-2008 11:18 PM
/m2595

I see usedbybaba continues to post fraudulently under Angel & Joe 108.



Usedbybaba threatens violence if he is investigated.
If the bozo has nothing to hide, why is he threatening violence?
And the murders of Sai Baba's assistants at the ashram were June 6th. Just one more clue you are a fraud who has never even seen Sai Baba. No devotee who supposedly lived at the ashram would EVER forget that date. EVER.


"YOUR CHEAP TRICKS WON'T WORK.NONE OF US WILL LEAVE. THE PROBLEM IS BABA WILL ALSO BE IN TROUBLE.IF YOU TRY TO GO DEEPER INTO OUR LIVES.IT WILL BE ANOTHER JUNE 3RD."--usedbybaba

Edited by author 03-05-2008 11:13 PM
/m2625

I see usedbybaba is still harassing people by posting falsely under their names. Notice how he whines like a "victim" when his own sordid tactics come back to haunt him.

Funny too that usedbybaba is posting pervert Dadlani's garbage about me. According to Dadlani aka saiexposed aka dark_knight_9 and his other kinky friends I am a transvestite! The lies just never stop with these sexually fixated weirdos.


SANJAY DADLANI EXPOSED



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Edited by author 03-05-2008 11:21 PM
/m2626

I think usedcrybaby needs a heavy duty steam cleaning and his mouth washed out with chlorox bleach.

Maybe the prostitutes in Chennai know usedbybaba and can advise him. I hear Hari Sampath is from Chennai and likes men.



Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Lisa our resident psycho wrote;Tell that to someone who hasn't seen your anti-Semitic posts claiming the Jews funded Hitler and babble about Arafat the terrorist being a hero.

What a bunch of bull. Tony O'Clery was in bed with David Icke (who claims Jesus is a fictional character), for YEARS and even posted articles on Icke's site."

All my posts on icke were exposing sb. My post on zionist nazi cooperation are common knowedge in Israel and elswhere.Jews wanted to leave and the Nazis agreed. Notable Rabbis have written on it, that's where I got it. My grandmother was Jewish!

Edited by author 04-27-2007 12:35 AM
/m2634

Tony O'Clery is the one with the KNOWN psychiatric history. I have no addiction problems and NEVER have. I have, however, watched many irresponsible people like Tony O'Clery abuse and lie themselves into a jail cell.

Tony O'Clery stated that the Jews funded Hitler (meaning the holocaust). That has nothing to do with what he is babbling about now which is a distraction from the real issue. Tony is a right wing "militia type" who babbles about the "power elite" just like the militia do. Tony the wannabe advaitin probably hangs out with the militia so he can feel like a "man".


"This is all tied up with politics and money. If you google 'Zionist collaboration with the Nazis', it may surprise you. Yes there were many millions killed by the nazis 11 million alone in the camps. I tend to go with a figure of 4 million Jews not 6 million, the larger number having financial and political ramifications,-a huge number none the less. "--Tony O'Clery

See article: ABC: Giving Airtime to Extremists

ABC is the very same radio station that did an
anti-Sai Baba interview called Guru Glamour Uncovered with Mary Garden and Mick Brown, author of The Divine Downfall article. Are we seeing a pattern here?


Check out Tony's video where he babbles about the "power elite".

Tony still babbles and LIES like a drunken alcoholic no matter how much he tries to claim he is "dry."

I think you will find everything I quote comes from reliable sources. In regard to Jews and Hitler, I quote the great Rabbis of the time and later. It is a known fact there was cooperation between zionists and nazis, for the zionists were interested in establishing Israel and taking Jews to Palestine. Nothing to do with the holocaust, that was left to the bankers and paricularly the large american companies that funded hitler's germany.

The sb devotees on here are either drunk like simon or challenged like lisa, who needs therapy or counselling of some kind.

Just google zionists and nazis and see what happens


http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/..._with_the_nazis.htm

Also to show how stupid lisa is, she draws attention to a video where I am praising and quoting the uk's Sephardic Jewish PM..Benjamin DIsraeli.hahahahahahahha

Happy St Patrick's Day, and Blessing to All!

aren't we forgetting something?

May Sai's blessing be with us All !!

The main - and until recently only spokesman - defending the Sathya Sai Organisation in public calls himself Gerald 'Joe' Moreno. He is employed full-time in defending the Sathya Sai Organisation and Sai Baba, though he claims (most deceptively) on every web page that he is not even a devotee of Sai Baba. He often uses hidden (anonymous) IPs and his identity cannot be checked by any normal independent means (no CV, no known qualification or abode). He attacks the many valid criticisms of the Sai Organisations' demonstrated unaccountability, cult of secrecy and cover-up while he profusely propagates lies and slanders. He creates bogus e-mail addresses and names to make false submissions to the Sai Petition, which he also freely admits on his website.

Moreno's posting on his his website are endorsed by the "heart-toheart Group" of Radio Sai (under the authoritarian leadership of Vice-Chancellor of Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning, G. Venkataraman) in e-mails linking to Moreno's website! Thus the Vice-Chairman of the International Sathya Sai Organisation endorses Gerald Moreon's slanderous and untruthful website! Moreno is definitely the most prolific anti-exposé spokesman of the International Sathya Sai Organisation. .Neither the International nor any national or local Sathya Sai Organisation has ever rejected Gerald Moreno as their (allegedly) self-appointed spokesman in the Internet, and so one may conclude that the current endorsement by Venkataraman's gang also implies that they accept his role and his untruths, defamations and cover-up on their behalf,and that they are satisfied with him. Though Moreno alleges otherwise , he is de facto as official an Internet spokesperson for defence of the entire International Sai Organisation as there is, which is abundantly evident from his many web pages and that he has no other work but is well-funded . For example, he openly claims to have contacted the Sathya SaiOrganisation in U.K. by telephone (Mr Bhagwani) who has replied to his questions etc. This alone shows he is working in the interests of the Sai Organisation also with the full knowledge and endorsement of the UK President of the National Sathya Sai Organisation and Central Coordinator for UK etc. Further, he has claimed on a bulletin board personally to know 'several' of the five persons who were given brand new expensive cars by Sathya Sai this year (paid for by donations of devotees!!), one of which five was none other than Venkataraman!

/m2641

How nice of you Tony!!

BABA'S BLESSINGS TO ALL! and Happy St Patrick's Day!!

As you can see a sb devotee is pretending to be me and posting as me. So I will add Irish to my posts now.Prsumably joe moreno doesn't speak Irish.

Beanachtai na feile padraig oraibh, .............Tony.

Sathya Sai Baba the Homosexual http://home.no.net/anir/Sai/enigma/imagined.htm

To The Editor,

Dear Sir,

We are the ex students of Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL) and Sri Sathya Sai Higher Secondary School(SSSHSS), Prashanthinilayam. Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning
is a Deemed University recognised by the Universities Grants Commission (UGC) and the Association of Indian Universities (AIU). The institute has two campuses, one located at Brindavan-Whitefield, Bangalore and the other at Prashanthinilayam, District Ananthapur, Andhra Pradesh.

Both Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSSIHL) and Sri Sathya Sai Higher Secondary School (SSSHSS) are residential. Both institutions are managed by Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust headed by Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, with his close relatives and few other confidants as members. Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba is also the Chancellor of Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning.

Many of us ex students have been sexually molested by Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba who is a Pedophile and a Homosexual. Our lives have been ruined by the experience. We were molested by Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba while we were studying in Sri Sathya Sai Higher Secondary School
and Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning. Some of us were in our early teens when we were molested and some even when we were just ten to twelve years old.

We hereby request you, Sir to investigate and stop the Pedophile and Homosexual activities of Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba and save young boys and men from his clutches. Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba is a very powerful person and most of the top Politicians, Judiciary, Government Officials, Media Barons and Businessmen in India as well as overseas are his Devotees. We cannot come out in the open for the sake of our lives and our jobs. Many of us are working in corporations owned or managed by Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba's Devotees.

You may send your investigative journalists to Prashanthinilayam as well as Brindavan near Whitefield, Bangalore, and ask them to get in touch with past and present male students secretly and with tact to find out about the Pedophile and Homosexual activities of Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

But please do highlight the findings in your esteemed media as only awareness can put a stop to the Pedophile and Homosexual activities of Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba and prevent gullible devotees from sending their sons in the clutches of Bhagwan Sri Sathya Sai Baba .

BLESS ALL OF US ;BABA on this Happy St Patrick's Day!!

Amharc, mna ag obair la's mall san oich, .............Tony.

Póg mo thóin!


Munster dún do bheal doon

I have found out that beloves swami sai baba is a fraud, and I apologise to tony and sanyay for my extreme obsessed behaviour.

Greetings!

I also have seen vibhuti and amrit manifest as I
watched. In Srirangapatna, I had lockets in the palm
of my hand produce unending copious amounts of
amrit.One tiny locket filled a glass below my hand. I
have seen the same thing elsewhere as well, where
there is no room for trickery. Whether some of the
manifestations are real or apports is really
irrelevant. The biggest miracles are in the
transformation of His devotees, I am an example, He
took me off alcohol and introduced me to meditation
and Vedanta, I am a huge sceptic. Unfortunately to a
legal or critical eye, none of the accusations stand
up, they are all hearsay. What about the
'wishfulfilling tree', at Prashanti that produced all
kinds of different fruit. Also to a man who has
produced a living breathing monkey in front of
witnesses in the interview room. Anything is possible.
If He was the pervert that some accuse Him of being,
he wouldn't need boys from the college, he could make
His own, with no repercussions!!!!!!!I am still a
Devotee but I have gone beyond needing a Guru. If this
is the case with some then go peacefully to your own
contemplation, these attacks on Baba indicate your
remaining intense attachment to Him. This is whom you
will merge at death!! If there is any weakness in His
organisation it is that devotees especially some
executives do not follow his,'commandments', but that
is the egoistic human condition. This is a far more
serious thing than debunking miracles, for these
people are His representatives in the world so to
speak. So WATCH! Most of what I see here on this site
is unscientific, unacademic and hearsay from people
who'se egoistic desires were not met by Swami in some
way.

 Love and Sai Ram,Tony.

Ceolann siad ar laetha geal, a bhi!

This is lisa after therapy, I have come to realise that sai bab is a fraud and I have deceived for many years, my apologies to the sai exposer, who I now will join..Lisa de Witt.

I see joe has googled up a page on irish expressions and is posting them as conversation, when they are obviously what they are.

Those are Enya's lyrics.I posted that Tony.


Tony wrote:
"The biggest miracles are in the
transformation of His devotees, I am an example"
_________________

Oh,ok.

I'm glad that joe and lisa woke up perhaps they can convince drunken simon.

Edited by author 03-05-2008 11:25 PM
I see usedcrybaby and Tony O'Queery are busy digging their holes even deeper. Too funny.

So many sadists in the Anti-Sai Sociopathic Society(A.S.S.). Tony runs the S&M club in Vancouver.

hahaha hohoho




Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba>

Edited by author 03-05-2008 11:32 PM
/m2556

Tony aka Bollocky Bill, whining on the internet 24/7 isn't going to change the fact that your cowardly accusers are lying. That they will never file charges because they KNOW they are lying. That you are a liar and abuser who will whine until your death and then you will have to take responsibility for your lies and abuse. That the very people whining that everyone knows about Sai Baba are the very same people who claim to have been witnesses but by their own admission did nothing for years and now whine hypocritically about everyone else and try to claim that others know about it just because they are babbling. Nobody knows anything unless they experience it DIRECTLY so to try to claim people know about something they don't is VERY disingenuous and hypocritical. The problem with you people is that you are so dishonest, irrational, cowardly and hypocritical that you will never stop harassing on the internet until someone sues you into the reality of your idiocy. You have been told hundreds of times how to proceed legally and you refuse to do it. Instead, you would prefer to harass people on the internet and through the media to get your childish jollies.

I have DIRECTLY experienced many miracles in my life. My experience is NONE of your business so just get out of my business and mind your own sordid affairs. And quit lying about statements I've made about Sai Baba you evil pervert and weirdo. In other words, get a life, Tony O'Clery, before you end up in jail for harassment. You are NOT a psychologist. YOU need one though, badly. YOU are one of the most dishonest and negative persons I have EVER dealt with in my life.



Tony O'Clery Vandalises Wikipedia with His Libelous and Perverted Comments

Tony O'Clery, who has an account at Wikipedia under the name aoclery, added the following libelous comments to the article about Sathya Sai Baba. He attempted to hide his identity by not signing in to his account.

"He also admits to pedophilia but says that as he is
God they are paying off their karma quickly."


After confronting Tony with his libelous vandalism, he does it again!


"...he also says his pedophilia is good for they pay the karma off quicker as he is god..."

Tony also vandalises the Benjamin Creme article:

"He also says it is true that sai baba is a pedophile but that he is paying off people's karma quicker, by assaulting them as he is God."

Someone reverts Tony's vandalism and Tony comes back and does it again:

"He also says it is true that sai baba is a pedophile but that he is paying off people's karma quicker, by assaulting them as he is God, according to top officials in the sai org. "


Tony even confesses:

2856 Tony O'Clery 03-24-2007 07:40 PM ET (US)
I have put that comment on every article referring to sb in wikipedia,,go find them fill your boots.

sb org says he molests as god curing karma.
 
Cornered like a rat, Tony tries a new lie:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'."


Tony's entry is reverted and he brazenly comes back and does it again:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'. O'Clery also states that as an official he was one of the first to claim sexual touching was raising kundalini, which of course isn't true. "

Then Tony proceeds to start an edit war, even admitting he was the one who invented the Kundalini lie to begin with:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects' karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'. O'Clery also states that as an official he was one of the first to claim sexual touching was raising kundalini, which of course isn't true.iN fact I was the official who invented the claim that the molesting was raising kundalini, and I sincerely apologise and regret this lie."






Whois

24.207.24.230 = [ h24-207-24-230.dlt.dccnet.com ]


(Asked whois.arin.net:43 about +24.207.24.230)

 OrgName: Delta Cable Communications Ltd.
 OrgID: DLTA
 Address: 5381 48th Ave.
 City: Delta
 StateProv: BC
 PostalCode: V4K-1W7
 Country: CA
 NetRange: 24.207.0.0 - 24.207.127.255


TONY O'CLERY EXPOSED



"You are right you will have to forgive my unsophistication. You see before I had any tertiary edu, I was a construction worker, cane-cutter, australian gigolo, union man, and surfer. Heaven for me was 'surfs up', and 'out the back', on Aussie beaches."--Tony O'Clery



Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba>

There is something very interesting in the Pro Sai group in this forum.There are mainly three Pro-Sai persons writing